#3230 Crappy Hour 3/2/26: Lizzie Bassett From What Went Wrong

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0:53Ronnie Karam: Well, hello and welcome to Crappy Hour. I'm Ronnie and that's Ben over there. hi ben hello hi how's it going so good it's a great day it's monday march 2nd back to talk bravo headlines and we i was gonna say we have a great surprise but it's not much of a surprise because i forgot to take her off the screen it's our gorgeous and talented guest lizzie bassett

1:19Lizzie Bassett: from the what went wrong podcast hi hello hello thank you for having me welcome welcome you tell

1:28Ben Mandelker: Tell everyone where they can find your podcast and what they should be doing to listen to it.

1:32Lizzie Bassett: Oh, well, you can find it anywhere that you can find podcasts. It's called What Went Wrong. And every episode covers a different movie. What goes wrong behind the scenes on the movie? How did it happen? How did it get made? We just taped an episode today on American History X. That was very depressing. But most of them are very fun and funny. And yeah, our whole premise is that it's nearly impossible to make any movie, let alone a good one. So we just talk about how they get made.

2:00Ronnie Karam: Yeah, right on. Before we get into Bravo stuff, I want to ask you, Weathering Heights, yes or no?

2:08Lizzie Bassett: I feel like, why am I embarrassed to say this? Yes, I liked it.

2:12Ronnie Karam: Okay, good. You shouldn't be embarrassed. Never be embarrassed to say what you liked. Did you guys see it?

2:19Ben Mandelker: I haven't. My friend saw and said he loved it. I would like to know will you ever do an episode based on one of the following movies? Big Business? Soap Dish? Red Rock West? Last Seduction? Or Ruthless People? Because I will go on any of those episodes and talk about them.

2:42Lizzie Bassett: Good to know. I'll look into all of them and see which one has the craziest backstory.

2:45Ronnie Karam: Here's the problem. None of them went wrong. So how dare you Ben? What went wrong with those? Those are all classics.

2:53Ben Mandelker: that could definitely be true yes look into it look into it please and report back as soon as

2:58Lizzie Bassett: possible in terms of Wuthering Heights oh sorry oh no no go ahead I was just gonna say for anyone

3:03Ronnie Karam: wondering why it's February 2nd today it's not I'm just an idiot and get and this incorrectly the second time in a row okay so what were you gonna say tell me about Wuthering Heights I was

3:11Lizzie Bassett: just gonna say I think you guys should watch it because it's like it's definitely Wuthering Heights for us Bravo fans. It's not really an adaptation of the book. It's Wuthering Heights for romance novel enthusiasts. And I've read the book and it's totally different. And I watched the movie and I was fine with it. And Jacob Elordi is so tall, so tall, so tall.

3:36Ronnie Karam: He's just so tall. I didn't really realize he was that tall, but everybody's like, oh my God, that guy's as tall as Jacob Elordi. We saw this giant at a party this weekend and everyone was saying, oh my god, he's as tall as Jacob Elordi.

3:48Lizzie Bassett: He's huge. He's huge. When he shows up as fuckboy Heathcliff with the little gold tooth and the earring, I was like, fine. Sure. Yeah. Whatever.

3:56Ben Mandelker: I mean, I've never read the book. I have no idea what Wuthering Heights is all about. I just know.

4:02Lizzie Bassett: You still won't after you see this version.

4:04Ronnie Karam: It's about a cat falling in love with a girl who's really mean to him, right?

4:08Lizzie Bassett: Yeah. Kind of. No. It's like a weird gothic ghost story that maybe kind of involves some incest but they leave all that out they get

4:17Ronnie Karam: that out of there for the movie yeah yeah yeah incest is so in right now hello white lotus um vanderpump rules reboot yeah porn hub okay i'm into it listen i i'm more of an ethan from jane air kind of guy i don't know about those wuthering heights wait sorry also just to briefly go back to

4:40Lizzie Bassett: Pornhub. Ben, when you were talking about the recent Southern Charm episode and you mentioned the stuck porn, I was dying because I worked in a writer's room many years ago and there was a guy in that room who actually thought this was the funniest thing ever and he would show it, not the kind that has any actual active sex, but it's literally, there's a whole corner of YouTube that's just women dressed in a nurse's outfit being like, I'm going to be late for my job and they walk out onto the sidewalk and they step into a puddle of melted gummy bears in their shoes and then they're just stepping up and down in the gummy bears going, I'm stuck, I'm stuck

5:24Ben Mandelker: Someone messaged us and said, I think you guys heard it wrong they were saying stock porn just run-of-the-mill stock porn I was like, I'm pretty sure they said stock porn

5:33Ronnie Karam: The buildings of New York City, people fucking, you know, flying over.

5:38Ben Mandelker: Show us those people in a meeting. Yeah, stock porn.

5:43Lizzie Bassett: They're stuck in that meeting. Yeah, they're stuck in a dryer thing. So I was like, how does that? I don't know. I've only seen the gummy bear version on the sidewalk.

5:52Ronnie Karam: That's pretty good. Yeah. Stock porn. I could do stock porn if it was like stuck on a math problem, you know, like, oh, I just can't figure out how much i owe for a tip what should i do and someone starts smacking me in the face with their wiener or something i could do that yeah i mean i could do it if it's just

6:11Lizzie Bassett: walking into a sticky puddle and you're like fully clothed and i mean that's that's literally all this was it's like they're like trying to pull up my jeans and they just get stuck and i'm like

6:19Ronnie Karam: great i can't get off my jeans and someone just comes like pees on me or something okay well all

6:25Ben Mandelker: sorts of fabulous things get out of my gutter speaking of speaking of stuck porn let's talk

6:31Ronnie Karam: about some stuck people from bravo stuck porn bravo style real housewives of new york the reboot they just can't seem to get it right they are stuck um they have decided to keep trying the big rumor from the past couple of well it's not a big rumor we heard ben and i heard it from somebody somewhere, said that they're trying to decide between Real Housewives of New York and Real Housewives of Miami. What should they keep on the air? They've only got room for wine. I don't know if that's true. Andy went on his radio show and said, you know, we just want them to be good. And right now there's nine housewives.

7:10Ronnie Karam: We're willing to wait. So gave us no answers as usual. But today we got one. They are at least bringing back Real Housewives of New York, the reboot and they have announced their new cast. Dun, dun, dun.

7:24Ben Mandelker: The new cast is, well, I mean, the big takeaway really is that part of the new cast is going to be Carol Radswell as a friend of and everyone, that's what everyone, that's getting all the headlines. That's everyone's buzzing about. Carol Radswell coming back but she is going to be joined with some new people. we have Haley Glassman Daisy Toy or Toya and Erica Hammond

7:56Ronnie Karam: alright well what do we know about these people what do we know who wants to go first

8:00Lizzie Bassett: I'll tell you the only thing that caught my eye which is that I believe it's Haley Glassman in every article I have seen the only way she's qualified is that she dated John Gosselin after he got divorced from Kate

8:16Ronnie Karam: who admits to that like who puts that on their imdb like how is that a credit

8:22Ben Mandelker: yeah i like look i am totally in support of people sleeping their way to the top but like that's the bottom and i'm not even saying that she's even doing that i'm just saying

8:38Ronnie Karam: yeah exactly at least go to the top don't just sleep your way to to the basement i'm not saying

8:45Ben Mandelker: she slept her way to the top to whatever she did that's such a everything and but everything i said is rooted in so problematically but i'm just saying i would rather her sleep her way to the top than just to have any sort of detour of john goslin i would rather i don't know what i'm saying

8:59Ronnie Karam: i'm just saying i'm no what you said what you said makes sense i mean just don't don't sleep with john goslin and brag about it's just like doing it's like i don't know it's just doing something horribly embarrassing the rest of us would be so embarrassed it's like oh my god you guys i was on my way to work and i had a coffee and i should have peed before i left the house i peed a little in my pants you know something like that like who puts like i'm gonna be on real housewives of new york i peed my pants on the way to work oh she does say he's my first love

9:26Lizzie Bassett: I'm not some fame whore oh god he was a lot older than that at that point

9:32Ben Mandelker: yeah it was 2009

9:33Lizzie Bassett: now I feel bad

9:34Ben Mandelker: this could be a great episode from What Went Wrong Haley Glassman and John Gosselin What Went Wrong What Went Right

9:42Lizzie Bassett: the year was 2009 it is interesting it looks like they're mixing up the ages a little bit more which I think is nice because everybody's been kind of the same with the exception of Jenna Lyons so I know it isn't coming back

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12:20Ronnie Karam: showing the cast so for those of you watching right now you can see the cast here i'm not sure if they're mixing up the ages because everyone maybe it's because of photoshop or whatever or not photoshop whatever they use the facetune because everyone looks the same to me i mean i

12:35Ben Mandelker: can't tell yeah who's who well what's what i i've already started to do my deep dive into glassman because there was a link to, I guess, an article in 2009 of when she and Gosling got together, and this is in People Magazine. And here are some quotes. She admits she's having a great time with her new beau, and, quote, We're always laughing and joking, gushes Glassman, 22. We watch movies, play pool, and ping pong. We laugh a lot because I beat him at everything. He's a great cook. He cooks roasted veggies with special seasoning and sauces, and he grills pineapple with a butter concoction.

13:11Lizzie Bassett: Oh, God, your standards are so low at 22. Now I just feel bad for her. That's terrible. He grills stuff. He grills pineapple. He grills vegetables. He uses special seasonings.

13:23Ronnie Karam: He puts butter on pineapple. Oh, God. Can I have your baby? Can I have your 20th baby?

13:30Lizzie Bassett: No.

13:31Ben Mandelker: Well, we're either playing ping pong or roasting veggies. I mean, really, it's pretty torrid over here.

13:37Ronnie Karam: Hey, what do you want to do tonight, honey? Ping pong or pineapple with butter on it?

13:41Ben Mandelker: Why not both? How about not just butter, but a butter concoction? Well, let's do it.

13:48Lizzie Bassett: I love that she's also like, it's great because he's terrible at all these things. And I beat him at all the sports. It's like, well, it is John Gosselin. I mean.

13:56Ronnie Karam: The only thing I can't beat him at is buttering pineapple. He's got that one down.

14:01Ben Mandelker: Just knows how to roast veggies and special seasonings so well.

14:06Ronnie Karam: All right. So Haley Glassman is good casting. I guess that. I guess we're saying that she's good casting. She was the one when I saw this earlier, I said, looks like Lisa Hochstein.

14:16Lizzie Bassett: Yes. Big time. I thought the same thing.

14:19Ronnie Karam: Well, actually, I thought two of them did. I thought she did and Daisy Toy did as well. Yeah. But, you know, someone pointed out in those comments that Daisy Toy looks more like Real Housewives of New Jersey Dina. Which I can kind of see from far away.

14:34Ben Mandelker: I can see that. Yeah.

14:36Ronnie Karam: Erica Lomond.

14:37Lizzie Bassett: yeah she's married to the ceo of built i think so she's probably very rich 34 a former wwe diva

14:47Ronnie Karam: who co-created rumble boxing as well as several fitness programs at equinox whoa in 2024 she married billionaire anchor jane the founder and ceo of built a lavish ceremony in a savage savage. That's like lavish and savage. It was a lavish ceremony in Egypt.

15:07Ben Mandelker: If you click that link, they actually got married in front of the Sphinx and various pyramids. That's wealth. I feel like you just can't. I don't think that's a cheap wedding venue, the Sphinx. The Sphinx.

15:23Ronnie Karam: Oh my god, they really did. They did. Sorry, we're booked for a couple of years out. Right?

15:30Ben Mandelker: I've got a question for the Sphinx. What table am I?

15:35Ronnie Karam: Why should I have to make reservations at the Sphinx? Isn't this like taxpayer funded? This is like a public park. I should just be able to get married here when I want to.

15:43Ben Mandelker: Okay, I'm looking at these pictures of this wedding. Do you guys see the pictures of the wedding there in the next, that's linked to from this article?

15:51Lizzie Bassett: Yeah, I'm looking at them.

15:53Ben Mandelker: Oh, Lance Bass was there, guys. It goes, famous faces, this lavish ass wedding. The first one, they're like, Lance Bass. Like, where isn't he?

15:59Ronnie Karam: Lance Bass it's like you know you're going to be a housewife when Lance Bass shows up at your wedding that's true

16:07Ben Mandelker: the only famous face they were able to pull up was Lance Bass but that's okay but she is extraordinarily wealthy special performance by Robin Thicke so the star wattage is questionable

16:21Lizzie Bassett: that's a questionable one

16:23Ben Mandelker: Robin Thicke

16:25Lizzie Bassett: what year was this was this like blurred lines here or was this like now?

16:30Ben Mandelker: This was two years ago.

16:31Lizzie Bassett: Nope, that's not good.

16:33Ben Mandelker: But you know what? Maybe she loves the Masked Singer.

16:37Lizzie Bassett: Maybe. Yeah, maybe.

16:39Ronnie Karam: Oh, she's very pretty. Her wedding dress is pants? Is it pants with a top? What is it? No, it's not pants. Is it pants? Guys, what is it? This is like a reception look,

16:49Lizzie Bassett: I think. Her actual wedding dress dress looks like... Oh, I can't tell. Oh, she's like, look, I'm on a plane. Hmm?

16:59Ben Mandelker: Is there a dress version of a squirt? I think so. I think there is.

17:04Ronnie Karam: She looks like Paige DeSorbo here. She's like, I'm rich. I'm getting my makeup done on a plane.

17:09Ben Mandelker: There's a chance that she could be a total asshole, in which case I'm in support of her. Because I think the cast needs campiness, and we don't have really any campiness outside of Jessel. And so maybe she might be able to do that. She might be campy.

17:25Ronnie Karam: no one who gets married in front of the spink the sphinx isn't an asshole i'm gonna that's true

17:30Lizzie Bassett: she's very very rich though and she's created her own enterprise it sounds like of boxing so she's probably not going to take any shit from anybody which that could be good as well yeah i also yeah wwf i mean come on yeah right and i also like that the sphinx the sphinx is really

17:48Ben Mandelker: the original nose job right so she's like i i will go to the home of plastic surgery the sphinx

17:55Ronnie Karam: yeah she's got kind of a muppet smile which i think is very very open like toothy smile which

18:02Lizzie Bassett: like a jesse solomon kind of hey which i think can be good for bravo

18:14Ben Mandelker: yeah yeah so it looks like her her bracelet kind of looked like it was one of those things you put on the doorknobs that way toddlers don't turn the door like her bracelet right oh yes it looks

18:24Lizzie Bassett: It looks exactly like that.

18:28Ben Mandelker: She's like, well, when people say twist my arm, they can't.

18:32Lizzie Bassett: That is so funny.

18:34Ronnie Karam: And she probably makes her shoulders bleed. Like there wasn't usually a hole right here between her shoulder and her neck until she wore this earring too much. And it's like a garden claw.

18:43Ben Mandelker: Do you feel like he didn't want to take this photo and she just jumped on his back and was like, smile. He's like, oh, okay.

18:50Lizzie Bassett: This man doesn't want to take any of these. I don't know. Do men want to take these pictures? No.

18:54Ronnie Karam: I don't know. I don't think he wanted to get married in front of the Sphinx either. He's like, what did I get myself into? Jeez. I think he's the kind of guy who walks around going, hey, get off my back. Am I right?

19:09Ben Mandelker: I feel like he and Pavit will bond over chicken sandwiches in New York. I love Pavit.

19:15Lizzie Bassett: I'm very excited that they're coming back.

19:18Ronnie Karam: okay so who else do we have here we've got haley glassman erica ham okay so we talked about herica herica she has nice hair i'm not making fun of her hair erica haley uh that's the john goslin one daisy toy do we know anything about her not a ton she looked like she had the least information about her what does she say what does it say tell me everything makeup artists oh she's amazing so is she martha stewart's makeup person yes oh yes she's a prominent

19:48Ben Mandelker: makeup artist with a celebrity clientele that includes none other than martha stewart who shares many snaps of her work on instagram oh my god did you guys watch that martha stewart

19:59Lizzie Bassett: documentary no i actually did not see it it was amazing it was great if mart they need martha is what they need. Martha would shut the house down. She is incredible. They need Martha. I think that that's true.

20:13Ronnie Karam: I mean, the makeup, maybe the makeup artist is good. And I think she's created a bunch of businesses and stuff too. But yeah, they should have Martha, not the makeup, Martha's makeup person. I want Martha. Martha's crazy. I remember seeing a TV movie about her and Sybil Shepard of all people played her. Oh, she looks like her. And it was really good. oh that was classic she tried to run down her husband's new wife or something like she

20:40Lizzie Bassett: was gonna run her over it was so good did she deserve it yeah martha also she's like you should watch it you would like that documentary a lot it was great she's very casual about like her very strained relationship with her husband she'll i think i have this right but there's like a whole sequence where she's like you know yes i was i was deaf i was i had extramarital affairs and like blah blah blah and you're just like you can't just glaze past that martha roll it back

21:09Ben Mandelker: that's what i love about her though i i personally think that roni should not have any cast members younger than 60 at this point i think like like we need to have like three people who are like 62 63 67 a martha stewart and then someone somewhere in the middle because i think the youngins and the new york city youngins are just like not as interesting someone uh it was just here there was a comment here that said i still think roni the roni reboot is still going to be dead boring i'm not sure if it will be or not i think these these seem like interesting changes and i'm actually very open to it i kind of think that erin litchie is a bit of a drip and i think she she kind of sets the tone for the show what about how did you like it lizzie because you told us something extraordinary beforehand which is that you've actually never seen old school roni you've only seen the reboot how did you like it as someone who comes in with no context of the older

22:01Lizzie Bassett: what came beforehand you're really outing me ben well it's a fascinating thing like my biggest

22:08Ronnie Karam: secret she even looks like she's in a confession booth right now we're totally like outing her like confess her deepest darkest secrets and then he outs you the second you get one here

22:17Lizzie Bassett: yeah i never watched the original roni and i know i need to um i just have so much other stuff i have to watch because my own stupid podcast makes me watch you know four hour long uh movies um but yeah i i don't know why i liked it but i did because i agree with you like not that much happened this last season was so frustrating um with bryn i am very glad she's not back that that whole thing was just like a mess and not fun to watch by the end of it at all but crazy it was so

22:48Ronnie Karam: weird that was so weird it was super weird and it was super um karmic because the other one got canceled for being so problematic and then this one she got counseled you know it's like yeah and it was a different slightly slightly different um problematic but it was still like oh yikes

23:09Lizzie Bassett: it just was sad it was really sad and um yeah i don't know i i think what drew me to it originally honestly was jenna lyons because i grew up in the time of the jenna lyons j crew and like I thought that was the coolest way to dress. And everything that I wanted was Jenna Lyons J.Crew. So that actually meant a lot to me to see her. And I actually really enjoyed watching her. Even if she didn't bring a ton of drama, I liked her as a person and enjoyed watching her. And I very much enjoyed Jessel. I think Jessel is fun, campy, the right energy. She's gorgeous. I'm very into her. Overall, though, I'm with you guys.

23:52Lizzie Bassett: Make it more Grey Gardens. Like get, get these young ladies out of here. I want the kooky ones that have been stuck in New York for 65 years, you know, but how does it compare?

24:05Ronnie Karam: You know, they love it.

24:07Ben Mandelker: It's just two different shows. And, you know, I'm hoping someday you will get around to the old, old school running, which I think you're going to really enjoy. It's, it's pretty, it's a pretty special run. I think as a reality show, it's just, it's absolutely wild. and it's just it's it's women who are very very frank with each other and i think that's why we were drawn to it and so a lot of people say oh miami and salt lake city like have the spirit of old roni and so that's why i think a lot of us have like struggled with the reboot and jenna lions though like that was i mean it's really interesting to hear that you were brought in by jenna lions because that was one of the reasons why she was cast was to reach a whole new group of people which is awesome um did you ever watch jenna lions show on hbo uh max that was called was it called stylish or whatever it's like Jenna Lyons you'll love that show because that one really showcased Jenna Lyons in the best way it was all Jenna Lyons it was all her quirks and strangeness and she's so ridiculous she's like well today I decided I want to just renovate my townhome so I'm gonna do it but I'm like really nervous about it but I'm just gonna do it and like I just want to do I want to I want the color I want the wall to be green and then the next day she's like I've decided the wall should be black and like that's all it is is for changing her mind and doing things and but then she gives like little um tips on how she curates the objects in her home or how she puts together uh a an outfit and it's like it's amazing it's so good and it was like sort of sad that they weren't able to truly tap into that um with the reboot for her i i

25:37Lizzie Bassett: definitely will watch that yeah she felt very reserved and i think understandably so and i just saw somebody in the in the comments i'm not sure who it was but they said you know i hope this season that people really stopped trying to produce themselves. And I think that's such a good point. And honestly, that's like, maybe my biggest complaint about more of the new cast members coming on to these shows is they're trying to produce themselves. It's people that have grown up with Bravo and reality TV, and they like understand how it's supposed to work, and they're trying to manufacture it. And I don't want to watch that.

26:08Lizzie Bassett: And I'm not sure how we get away from it, because we've now, you know, like the snake is sort of eating itself at this point. But I hope they figure it out.

26:15Ronnie Karam: Well, I think a lot of it is that, first of all, it's going to be really hard to do a reality show in 2026 where people have not seen one and they don't know what's going on. I mean, it's just the time we're living in. Everybody's savvy to it. But one of the things about these shows that is so good as they age is that they can't control anything. Like you come in thinking you can control it and then you slowly start to spin out of control and lose your mind and then you slowly go crazy or quickly go crazy. And that's when it gets fun. But New York really hasn't found a cast that they can keep yet.

26:48Ronnie Karam: And so they're not really going crazy. And so it's the third year of like, oh, God. And, you know, they kind of got rid of all the diversity on this cast. Well, not all. Jessel's still there, but you got rid of a lot of diversity to bring in some white blonde ladies. And it's like, what kind of message is that? You know, it's almost like, okay, well, we tried diversity. And so now we're just going back to blonde white ladies because that didn't work. It's like, it's not the diversity that didn't work. It's Erin. It's Erin. By the way, I said there's Jessel. I mean, obviously there's Psy as well.

27:17Ronnie Karam: Sorry to have Psy erasure there. But you know what I mean, right? That's like to recast and then recast everybody as white blonde ladies. It's a little bit.

27:26Lizzie Bassett: I was surprised that Uba wasn't. Because I actually really liked Uba. I know she, you know, she was like. I thought she was good.

27:33Ben Mandelker: We heard that she was just over it. Yeah, I buy that. She was over it. She also met this guy, went up to Connecticut. I think if they can center it on Jessel instead of Aaron, I think we could be in good shape because I think Jessel is funny. We're fascinated by Jessel. I have to say, Psy is most improved. Her first season, she was literally the worst and we all hated her. And then the second season, I thought, I think that Psy sort of got the memo and was like, you know what, let me just be a little bit more myself. And she was way more entertaining. I think it's just Erin is very, she does self-produce.

28:08Ben Mandelker: And I just, I don't know, Erin will stir up a stupid argument because she's thinking it's what we want to see. I think that if Erin could somehow be more interesting, and I don't know what that would take.

28:22Ronnie Karam: Hey, be more interesting.

28:25Ben Mandelker: I don't know what else to say. I don't know what else to say. She tries. We don't have to be nice.

28:32Ronnie Karam: You know, sometimes you just don't have to be nice. We're just watching a TV show. She's boring and she sucks. She stirs the pot. And she was at fault for that whole practical joke thing last year that got out of hair. And she was annoying. You know, and Cy, I think the second season she was more palatable as a human being. But I think she was less entertaining. I mean, the first season was Cy getting, you know, upset with things. And that was more entertaining than whatever the second season was. But you know what? as usual we'll erase the DVRs on our brain yep we're gonna start fresh give it another go I'm ready yeah I think what's

29:05Ben Mandelker: housewives are like sports and you have some years where like hey the you know the patriots are killing it they're doing they're doing great in some years where it's the 49ers in some years it's the bears or whatever and like we you know are sometimes our teams have we have rebuilding years and we have our dynasties and then we have you know championship teams that come out of nowhere but like i i i enjoy the ebbs and flows and i think new york is just in its rebuilding you know it's it's got a track record of you know five and seven and maybe this season we can get it to a solid you know eight eight and six i'm ready let's find out yeah you just said

29:48Lizzie Bassett: sports and i was like i don't know what five and seven eight and six means i'll be honest yeah

29:54Ronnie Karam: I'm back in eight and six. And I was like, that's the age we need for Real Housewives of Me. Eight.

29:59Lizzie Bassett: Eight.

30:03Okay.

30:03Ronnie Karam: So next up, we've got Whitney Rose. So Whitney Rose made a splash the past couple of weeks at her drag brunch. She does these drag brunches now, which I find annoying in itself that she and Ashley are like regular drag brunch hostesses. I don't like that. leave the drag queens to the drag queens okay and if you're gonna have a drag queen hosting or sorry you're gonna have a real housewife hosting a drag queen brunch it needs to be like a real drag queenie you know like luann or peter pump or someone like over the top not whitney

30:42Ben Mandelker: yeah i hate whitney whitney is definitely the definition of a girl that's like literally

30:47Lizzie Bassett: yeah yeah it goes the abbey you know yeah yeah because gays do not love whitney i mean we you

30:52Ronnie Karam: You know, Whitney's funny and stuff. I don't hate Whitney or anything, but, you know, she's not like a gay icon. She's just, I don't know. She's like a gay best friend, maybe. And some, I don't know. I'm talking myself into a corner. I don't need to. Whitney, Whitney sucks. She's not a gay icon. So Whitney.

31:08Lizzie Bassett: Wasted is the big takeaway for me from this and many other videos.

31:13Ronnie Karam: Wasty, basty. And after spending a whole season, you're an alcoholic, alcoholic, pill popper. So these clips came out in the past couple of weeks of Whitney at one of these drag brunches doing a Q &A sitting here. I'll just I mean, I'm not going to play the video, but I'll at least put it on screen so people can have a visual of what we're talking about. And basically going off, you know, and being shady about the cast, which I guess is what you're supposed to do at that kind of thing. But she just went a little far and someone was asking what happened on the plane. And she's like, oh, yeah, I can't talk about it because of legal stuff.

31:54Ronnie Karam: But I hate Meredith and she's a C word. You know, it's generally going off being nasty.

32:01Lizzie Bassett: I did think it was interesting, though, because she she like really goes hard on, you know, she's doubling down on the story here. And then when the host asks her, like, do you have the recording? She has a very, like, almost startled and confused answer. And I do think that's the big question that everybody keeps asking, right? It's like, how, how did no one record this if it really was the way that they say it is? I mean, what do you guys think? Like, what the hell is going on here?

32:33Ben Mandelker: Yeah, it's shocking that there's no recording. That is the thing that doesn't make sense. But it's hard because Meredith, the way she acted on the boat and the way we've seen her flip out before in previous situations, it's not like a crazy thing to imagine that she was also losing her mind on a plane because she's done this stuff before. But I do think when Meredith really loses her mind, it's loud, and someone would have recorded it. even someone in like a, like economy probably would have set that camera up looking through the mesh blinds. Like it just, it's like, that's Meredith Marks. If you're having an, like, it's just, it's something does not add up here.

33:16Ben Mandelker: And I'm wondering like, are they, did it feel really big to the women? Like, I feel like the truth is in there somewhere. I also don't know if Meredith would, I think Meredith has like actually like an awareness of her surroundings. That makes me say, I don't think Meredith would actually have a meltdown on an airplane like that. She would maybe on camera, on set. But I think she has an awareness. And so it's just been so hard to reconcile these stories because I can sort of see everyone's side. And I just have to imagine it must have felt much bigger to the women, maybe because they were on an airplane.

33:50Ben Mandelker: It felt like, oh, my God, this is awful. But in reality, it actually was maybe not that bad. I think Meredith probably did it.

33:56Ronnie Karam: I think it was just a Meredith moment. and then everyone tried to make it a big deal when Meredith does it five times an episode. But so one of the things she said, they said, what do you think about Meredith and the plane? And she said, well, it's Women Histories Month and I should support C-words. And then everybody's like, and then she was like, but how does everybody on the plane have the exact same story but her? And the problem was you did not all have the exact same story. They were all different. some of you were asleep then you were awake then it was you know 10 minutes then it was five hours then it was 30 hours and the plane ride was only two hours and then you know meredith firebombed britney's apartment building it's like what is it you know i do i mean it is interesting what

34:40Lizzie Bassett: she brought up in that where she said that there is some kind of like legal issue or lawsuit happening in the background and that that's part of why she was she was insinuating that that's why like is there footage i can't say because of this legal thing there's not footage right like i feel like at this point that's been pretty much confirmed um no if there's no if there's footage they're they're keeping quiet about it that's right yeah definitely i'm i'm with you guys i think like somewhere in the middle i i think definitely meredith was a crazy person on the plane to britney she's been a crazy person on camera to britney um but i don't think it was to the extent that whitney is claiming because i just i cannot believe that somebody would not

35:18Ben Mandelker: have recorded it it doesn't make sense something city really needs to get their camera situation right because this is at least the second time we've had a massive off-camera situation between this and the black eye with heather gay yes it's it's like you know i love it i really enjoyed this airplane storyline i i enjoyed that long sit down lunch they had at vaulter's where they hashed out i thought it was really fun but it does get exhausting having to like come up with all these theories about something that like we could have seen if someone had just turned on a camera or like have a GoPro filming or something like that.

35:57Ben Mandelker: Just it's so annoying after a while.

35:59Lizzie Bassett: Yeah, the black eye was such a like, it was gross. By the end, it was gross. It was so anticlimactic. I was mad at Heather. Like it was really weird.

36:08Ronnie Karam: It was super weird blaming, like hinting that production could have done it. And then they have a whole, you know, they had to have a whole investigation into that. And then the next year when Andy confronted her about it again, she was just like, well, I have an admission to make about the black eye. it was jen shaw but i don't remember so i don't remember what happened how do you know it's jen

36:30Ben Mandelker: shaw come on man yeah get your story straight i think i think that um it's it's always a red flag when storylines on one of these shows start to focus a lot on things that that are like happen outside the show it's like who leaked what to what blogger who said what there was a there was a thing that didn't happen and I think that you know sometimes it can be funny it's like there was a dinner and then I was snubbed it can be funny but ultimately it has to happen on camera which is why I imagine there's what's going around is talk that Bravo for the new season of Salt Lake City Senta added some sort of like mega clause that says everything has to happen on camera

37:13Lizzie Bassett: yeah there's no manipulation of narratives yeah

37:16Ben Mandelker: yeah I think this is pretty

37:18Ronnie Karam: interesting they called it the um narrative integrity clause basically the cast are not allowed to create influence or leak storylines about the show and other cast members off camera this includes using third parties as a proxy and any on-camera discussions about unverified activity will be cut from the final edit that verified activity yeah punishable on a scale that includes financial penalties loss of screen times demolition demolition demotion firing and inability to rent movies from the red box machines in front of 7-Eleven.

37:54Lizzie Bassett: Can you imagine if they were like, you must do this out via monster trucks, Lisa Barlow. That would be incredible.

38:03Ben Mandelker: She's talking about linking to the blogs. All right, get Truckasaurus ready. They should do that. I think it's great.

38:12Ronnie Karam: You are at risk of demolition.

38:15Ben Mandelker: Monday, Monday, Monday. Oh, John. I think it's actually great because I think it's going to be very hard to enforce you know like it's like, oh, you leaked something. They're all going to deny all the time. But what they can enforce is if you're complaining about something that got leaked, then we're not going to put this on TV, which is an interesting pullback because Bravo for the longest time was not acknowledging you know, the media and they had been breaking the fourth wall, which has been really great. But now it's kind of like a way of saying, okay, we're not putting it on the show. So if you want to make it something, we're not putting on the show.

38:55Ben Mandelker: But then the risk is, I imagine is that we might get those fights that are like proxy fights for something bigger where you're like, why are they mad at this? Why are they mad about that towel? Why do they keep talking about this towel? And it turns out the towel is like code for, you know, leaking the blogs. Well,

39:10Ronnie Karam: that already kind of happened this year because Meredith and Brittany, were fighting the whole time about that anti-Semitic or anti-Semitic, um, hunty guy, the hunty nails person the whole time. And we didn't know what they were fighting about. I still don't, I don't know anything about that. That's, um, they, they fought about it in the reunion. It's where Meredith, okay. There was a nail salon guy, nail tech guy in Salt Lake city who was making really anti-Semitic comments to one of the customers over text. And this guy published all the texts and Brit then that he called Brittany and was like, hey, you know, you're one of my customers and I need some help here.

39:47Ronnie Karam: I'm getting slammed online. You know, could you give me a review? I'm getting, I'm getting review bombed. So Brittany went on and gave him a glowing review and so did Jared and then got her nails done for free for watch what happens. And then, um, everybody's writing her. It was in the news and stuff in Salt Lake, the local news at least. And they were like, Hey, listen, this guy's really antisemitic. Why are you giving him these good reviews? And she was like, um, well, I don't know about that i'll have to look into it and then just kept him up there and so people started freaking out that she was doing that and then um they called jared and jared's you hear jared in the background like i'm not taking anything down because of the woke mob and blah blah blah and these people everyone's too sensitive you need to get over it because he's a big trumpy you know and so oh what a surprise and that turned into meredith in the beginning of production not speaking to Brittany and then they had a big fight and then Brittany had to apologize to Meredith and then so Meredith went through it like no this lady's anti-semitic I don't want to shoot with her so that was kind of the underlying thing to everything that happened that season between Meredith and Brittany so that already happened the whole season I don't know that you can have a housewives where everything has to be talked about that's on camera and not off camera because a lot of shit happens off camera every housewife season they're fighting about something that happened at some party we weren't there at you know i don't know fair enough it'll work i gotta look into that more it's ugly it's a but you know it's a good reddit um it's a good reddit hole to fall down it's a lot i love it okay so i love i love some reddit hole that's our new porn reddit

41:24Lizzie Bassett: bullporn i know reddit stuck reddit it's stuck you know it's there you heard oh yeah

41:34Ronnie Karam: i can't get off this am i the asshole oh yeah commercials here comes one right now

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42:18Ronnie Karam: Wayfair, every style, every home.

42:24Ronnie Karam: Oh, okay.

42:28Ronnie Karam: Okay, what's next here? I opened something else. Oh, but the rest of that story, I didn't finish it, was that the whole cast is supposed to be back. Everybody, including Meredith, including Lisa, including Heather, who some people out there who were horrible people were rooting for to get fired it was me and uh britney and britney's also back and they announced that they are bringing in a new woman but they haven't announced who that is yet so i hate when they do that i want to be able to prejudge can you imagine can you imagine i know and i'm gonna bring her back i just can't get over that

43:03Ben Mandelker: that feeling go ahead ben i'm sorry i was gonna say notably obviously not really very funny but Mary Cosby is going to film this season because I think we all were wondering is she going to because you know her poor sweet son passed away and is she going to mourn just sort of stay private whatever but she is going to film which will be you know that'll be interesting to watch be interesting to watch her journey but I also hope that like she's taking care of herself first and like part of me is like don't film if you need to have some if you need to have some you time like we will all understand and we will all welcome you back

43:42Ronnie Karam: next season like don't you worry you know yeah i say say take a season off personally yeah yeah yeah because salt lake city really is just the cartooniest show on tv i feel like it's not the place for any kind of serious conversation where you need pure sensitivity for an entire season it's just not the place like you can't yeah you can't expect something like that from this show although they've shown it's not that they've never shown sensitivity but this is a big this is a big one it's just stressful to be around them like it's

44:13Lizzie Bassett: not i don't think anyone's gonna mess with her but you know it just might they better not but

44:19Ronnie Karam: that's also why it's bad because you need to be able to mess with everybody on a housewives show

44:24Ben Mandelker: right yeah i also just feel like you know when you're on those shows you basically have all of us here on the internet commenting on every single thing and i just kind of i'm just i'm just hoping that this will be like, part of me wants her to go into a protective cocoon for a year and then she can come back. But you know what? It's her choice. And whatever it takes for her, like that'll be what it is. Godspeed.

44:46Ronnie Karam: Well, Lizzie, you've either gotten amazing Botox or your screen is frozen. So if your screen is frozen, just refresh your page and we'll try and let you back in. I hope, I hope it just refresh, just refresh. I hope your daughter didn't just knock the internet out on accident or something.

45:04Ben Mandelker: it was heather gay i've had enough of this slander i hate it it's a sisterhood okay what do you want to talk about next ben you know why don't we talk about some uh traitors uh traitors we you know ended we had a reunion you know um you know we said we were gonna cover the reunion i don't i feel like there wasn't that much to cover it was just sort of like you know it was like they talked right um did you enjoy that reunion what were your thoughts

45:34Ronnie Karam: I'm watching it tonight, actually. I didn't know we were going to talk about it here. But I've read that stuff that I can bring up.

45:39Ben Mandelker: I sprung that on you.

45:40Ronnie Karam: I can ask you about stuff. I read that Candace was trying to get into it with Rob and accused him of cheating, which...

45:49Ben Mandelker: Yeah, well, those rumors had been around for the past few weeks that Rob had been basically giving Colton information and basically they were working together in that way because Colton had gone up to Candace and said, apparently had said, I know that Rob's a traitor and we have to do whatever. And so Candace, this is her smoking gun.

46:14Ronnie Karam: Pause, pause, pause. Just for anybody who has not watched Traders yet, I know everybody watches at different times. We are talking Traders for the next five minutes. So if you do not want to know spoilers, put us on mute for five or fast forward five minutes, whatever. Okay, go ahead, man.

46:30Ben Mandelker: Yeah. And so Colton was saying, I know Rob is a traitor. Oh, Lizzie is back. Wait, first. Oh, sorry. The traitor is back.

46:39Lizzie Bassett: The traitor is back.

46:41Ben Mandelker: Lizzie, are you watching the traitors or did you watch the traitors?

46:44Lizzie Bassett: Oh, yes. Yes, yes, yes.

46:45Ben Mandelker: We were talking just about briefly the reunion. And just Ronnie was asking. He's going to watch it tonight. He was just asking about, you know, Candace accusing Rob of leaking information to Colton. And I was just explaining that, you know, Colton had said, like, apparently I know Rob's a traitor and whatever. We should work together or something like that. But then Colton explained, no, I was just saying that because, you know, I don't know who's a traitor. And I just said it. it sounded actually pretty innocent to me in the in the reunion did you watch the reunion

47:24Lizzie Bassett: i did yeah i i agree with you i don't and i thought rob's reaction was very like you know like he literally said you know that this show everything is recorded there's cameras everywhere we're miked at all times like you know that didn't happen if it had happened i would have been kicked off the show and i also just i don't think he would have done that that would have been so stupid like it wouldn't have made sense for him to do that he was playing so well but i love

47:50Ben Mandelker: yeah his whole shtick in the reunion was so funny because it was basically candace saying you lied you lied to my face and he's like yeah it's the game he's like but i yeah i did she's like but you lied it's like i did yes it's called traders it's called traders and didn't she tell him

48:10Ronnie Karam: something like well you know when i turned on you i had to she said something like i had to come for you because I was saving my game. And he's like, but you lost. You lost your game. Because of it. Yeah, you lost because of that.

48:25Lizzie Bassett: She did deliver one of the funniest lines ever in that reunion, though. And it's like, it's off camera. It's just captioned at the bottom because you can barely hear it. But it's when Maura is talking about how badly she wants the Birkin that apparently Rob has promised her because, you know, he let her down. And you just hear Candace go, fuck the purse, girl. He can't even buy a shirt i was like that is good that is good we laughed yeah so hard at that yeah it was

48:51Ben Mandelker: a it was a perfectly nice reunion i what i what i've been really loving is the rinna and rob reconnection and they've been going out and about together they have like a a commercial that they did for sonic that's really good and i just i do love how they are like this this odd couple it It makes me sad that they could not go all the way as traitors. And one thing in the reunion was that Rinna and Candace were like, we would have got all the way with you. And he's like, I don't think you would have. And they're like, we think you wanted us. You had no intention to go with us all the way. And he's like, no, I did, I did, I did.

49:25Ben Mandelker: And then eventually he's like, yeah, I wasn't going to ever go all the way with you guys.

49:29Ronnie Karam: Well, yeah, but also traitors don't go all the way to the end with each other. They just traditionally don't. I've watched so many seasons in this show now, and that's just not how it works. You're supposed to screw each other over. that's why in the beginning they always say okay let's stay with each other as long as we can they're always like let's stay together you know let's not go after each other right away they say it every season so it's part of the game you guys like oh calmate calmate there was like a

49:54Lizzie Bassett: nice moment between renna and andy cohen in the reunion though where she's because you know she talks about how it was so lovely to be able to not be on beverly hills and like be herself on on tv again and i actually i agree like it actually was really nice to see her this season i thought i thought she was fun um but then she has this moment where she acknowledges that you know like she was the villain and andy kind of like reaches over to her and he was like not the whole time like give yourself a little bit of a break and i thought that was interesting although will he still

50:24Ben Mandelker: say that after her bonkers book has come out yeah i think he will because because uh the book came out and she has had all these things to say. One of the things that has been getting a lot of press is that she

50:43Ben Mandelker: was really upset that he took private text messages with her and just put them in his book or something like that. And that was very, very upsetting to her. And actually something that came out in the reunion was that Portia was so mad at Lisa Rinna for voting for her that Portia went and destroyed all her Rinna makeup. Lip kits, yes. She broke all her lipsticks.

51:03Lizzie Bassett: She had them in a bag. She comes with a bag of crushed up goo that was Lisa Rinna lipsticks. And then Lisa Rinna is like, it's okay. My company went bankrupt anyway.

51:13Ronnie Karam: Don't worry about it. I think I got rid of mine too. I wonder if mine is still up there on my little carpet shelf.

51:18Ben Mandelker: They're now rare relics.

51:20Ronnie Karam: Okay. So we're done with Trader's Talk now, yeah? Yeah. I'm going to put in the chat. Okay. So we're done with Trader's Talk. But yeah, Rinna, well, this is Trader's, but it's not about spoilers. Rinna said that at the finale or at the whatever finale viewing party at the Abbey that she was roofied and that Colton actually noticed that she was way too fucked up too fast and got her out of there. He whisked her away and saved her life in the end. So it all works out between those crazy. Of course, people online are like, well, Colton probably did it.

51:54Lizzie Bassett: That was my first thought. But I don't.

51:59Ronnie Karam: it's not it's not far off from the news we've been reading no i don't know what to make of him

52:05Lizzie Bassett: and the fact that bravo put him back on tv i i don't know what they were expecting you know we we have access to the internet and some of us remember that whole situation but yeah well um

52:17Ronnie Karam: this is some breaking news this actually just happened um what a couple hours ago i think 54 I don't know. I can't tell. Monique. So Monique Samuels posted on threads. A lot of time has passed since the reunion was filmed. And after gaining more info since then, I don't believe Stacey had anything to do with any of that bullshit. I'll probably go live on IG at some point this week and give you all the entire story. I haven't watched the reunion episodes yet. So let me catch up and get back to you. But I at least wanted to clear her name on all of it. Well, after it's all done. I mean, but thanks.

52:52Ronnie Karam: Well, that's good. Stacey's had her name cleared on something. That's a first.

52:56Ben Mandelker: That's good. I'm glad to hear that because we had a hard time believing that Stacey had reached out to Chris after Monique's conversation. So we'll definitely have to track that. Wow. Okay. That's going to be interesting to watch.

53:12Ronnie Karam: All right. Now let's check in with Kyle Richards, guys. You know, every morning I wake up and I'm like, I wonder what Kyle Richards is thinking right now. So this is from Reality Blurb, the famous French magazine. Kyle Richards reacts to Dorit, Bose, and Rachel being so mean to Amanda and shares her update on her status with Dorit. What do you think of this, Kyle coming out and constantly standing up for Amanda, saying that everybody's just being mean to Amanda?

53:41Lizzie Bassett: Is she, though? Maybe I might be going down my own. I'm stuck in a Reddit hole here. So I watched that. I'm gone. I watched that clip and she's reacting to a comment. And the comment is, you know, like, what do you make of how they say, like how mean she was to Boz or how mean Boz and Dorit and Sutton were to Amanda? And the way that she responds is like, oh, you know, I just hadn't really met Amanda before. And so I was trying to give her the benefit of the doubt. And I think she just rubbed them the wrong way. And then she goes, but I guess you're really just going to have to see how that plays out.

54:22I wonder if Kyle ends up hating Amanda.

54:26Lizzie Bassett: Like, I can't tell where this is going to go. And probably not, because I know Amanda still talks about Kyle on, you know, Watch What Happens and everything. But that almost read to me like maybe there's something coming where Amanda really pisses everyone off, including Kyle.

54:40Ronnie Karam: I mostly say Kyle on the show so I can see all these comments come in. Barf emoji. Kyle snooze fest why Kyle uh Kyle barf emoji so funny

54:56Ben Mandelker: I think uh the enemy of my enemy is my friend and I think uh Amanda and Dorit seems to be uh having a nice feud that's brewing and and Kyle has this has been uneven with Dorit for the past few years and I think Kyle does not want to look like the bad guy in that situation and she's trying to be the nice one i'm the nice one i'm really trying what to read i'm really really trying but she doesn't really like to read anymore and but she doesn't want to be seen as the one who's the aggressor or the one who would be responsible that relationship falling apart so i think she's perfectly happy to have amanda there to make dorit's life annoying she's

55:33Ronnie Karam: not really seeing amanda she's seeing a cudgel wearing a tutu you know sideways over her neck

55:42it's manifested oh my god i you know the problem with amanda francis is that she's she's insufferable

55:50Lizzie Bassett: obviously i think that goes without saying but she's also like correct a lot of the time which really sucks like when she keeps defending herself and saying like yes i said that but i agree i was just agreeing with kyle and then they roll the footage it's true every single time she's saying that it is true like she's she's not lying she's just really annoying and she also is stirring things up i don't know i mean i i agree with those that she's a total grifter but like i'm

56:17Ronnie Karam: enjoying watching her on the show i think she's just so funny and you know when we did the crappies this weekend we have our friend katie who's a comic she comes out and does all the songs and stuff she's like the band the house band and she dresses as the different characters from the year And she had two from Beverly Hills, Rachel Zoe, who, you know, was iconic before the show, but probably even more now. And then she had Amanda Francis and her sideways tutu over the over her head. And so I think that's something, you know, she's new, but people are already dressing up like her. I mean, having Katie dress like you is like having a drag queen dress like you.

56:50Lizzie Bassett: So it's pretty good. We should all aspire to it.

56:53Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Give her some credit. You know, I saw Bo's doing an interview earlier because Bo's and Amanda have been kind of going at it in interview battles. where, you know, Amanda went on to a podcast and was like, well, Bo's is, like, being mean to me about my business, but, like, maybe she needs to look under why she's so mad because, like, she has an online business and it was losing money. Like, she even told me. So maybe she should ask herself why she's so jealous. And so they told Bo's this in another interview, and she was like, um, maybe Amanda should not worry about my business because my business is amazing.

57:28Ronnie Karam: And, you know, if she, I understand that she would want to think that that's why I don't like her or that she's fishy, but that is not the reason. It's like, oh.

57:38Lizzie Bassett: Bo's is so, like, she gets her every time. When she drops those bombs, they're so good. Like, that's my favorite thing to watch this season is just Bo's coming for Amanda in the most, like, straightforward, you know, because everything she says is so right. And it's so smart. And I loved her face when Amanda was explaining, you know, her money techniques to her. And Bo's was like, where's the financial information? Like, what is this?

58:12Ben Mandelker: Bo's looked horrified. So, full of shit.

58:16Ronnie Karam: Explain to us how you make money from that. someone is saying someone's asking on here did you guys see amanda and watch what happens i did not i saw that she was on and i didn't watch the whole episode but i did see a clip someone posted to reddit which said like why is this woman so fucking psycho and it just shows like a close-up when i don't know if they're going to commercial but amanda just turns and stares at the side camera and she's like just staring directly into the camera like for a full 30 seconds and then

58:45Lizzie Bassett: just kind of looks away she's very strange well they did a whole thing where they they're like can you you know tell us your regrets um and they have like a regret counter and she of course has zero out of like nine regrets and uh the other guest is um gg from the persian valley style and she's like do you regret not having any regrets and amanda's like no it's so weird

59:10Ben Mandelker: she's like a literal grifter on bravo and like yeah totally insufferable totally terrible but the fact that she's bothering everyone is good because if she weren't there i really don't know what would be happening on this season of beverly hills also to be fair there are a lot of grifters

59:27Lizzie Bassett: on bravo she's just like she's an open snake oil salesman she's you know she's literally peddling like this is my snake oil and other people are maybe hiding it a little bit more and also she's

59:39Ronnie Karam: doing really well with her grift, which I think, you know, once you've watched Bravo for a long time and you've seen a lot of grifters and we see grifters fail all the time, you know, the businesses don't work. They turn out to be fake. They go to jail, you know, whatever starts happening. It's nice to see somebody being so successful with grifting. Yeah. Yeah. Could we all do this? Yeah. So this is kind of a random thing. It's time to end, but I did want to talk about this why is why are dorinda and sally fighting yes this was my favorite story that you sent because it's so random what is it what happened so during an interview with page six radio oh and by the way this is such a dorinda story because it's being reported on aol yes yeah um because you know dorinda's like dorinda medley at aol.com

1:00:31Ben Mandelker: So I guess Dorinda said something or whatever that like Sally was like, she's so mean to me. And so Sally was like telling people that Dorinda was mean to her. And then I guess on the show, Kiki asked Dorinda, why are you being mean to Sally? Because Sally was like, you know, I sent her a DM and she never wrote back. She's so angry at me. Wow, she's so mean. And Dorinda was like, I didn't know what she sent me a DM. i know she never sent me a dm and kiki was like check your dm and rinda was like i'll be right

1:01:03Ronnie Karam: back i'm going to the mailbox no not outside i'm on the instagram yeah and apparently she like

1:01:12Ben Mandelker: was like oh yeah there is a dm there and she's like oh she's very it was very very nice very nice dm so what i'll say is charlie's a because so but she wrote me a very sweet nice adoring dm

1:01:26Ronnie Karam: It involves words like, I'm sorry, and you look beautiful. And you know what? I'm just going to say, Charlie's a bitch. Gary said it.

1:01:35Lizzie Bassett: Yeah, Charlie's a bitch. First of all, Charlie's not a bitch. Charlie's not. No, no. I've been actually really enjoying her on Southern Charm. And Sally is just all over the place. I don't know. I mean, Lindsay had shady stuff to say about Sally on Watch What Happens Live, too.

1:01:54Ben Mandelker: Yeah. are sally and kyle is that is that a verified thing kyle cook no i thought that was a thing i saw okay i'll look it up sally did kyle cook leave the crappies this year and shoot on his wife again or was that just last year thankfully thankfully no reports of anyone that was so

1:02:12Ronnie Karam: disappointing i just you know i want the crappies to be a place that you can come cheat on your wife without getting caught you know like i mean like we should at least have that we should be a refuge

1:02:24Ben Mandelker: yeah okay so uh sally carson addresses romance rumors with kyle cook no yeah and uh she also by the way she also slammed whitner slagsvall as an entitled prick so uh isn't there something

1:02:41Lizzie Bassett: like political going on there i don't know enough about this actually with who talk about it with Sally and Wittner. I don't know.

1:02:47Ben Mandelker: I didn't know if there was something. Yeah, maybe. I know that she's pretty right wing. Well, that's the speculation that she's really MAGA. Yeah.

1:02:53Ronnie Karam: He's, you know, obviously not. So, yeah, that could be some of it, but who knows. We'll see. Well, that brings us to the end of Crappy Hour. Lizzie, oh, my God. So much fun talking to you. Thank you so much for being here.

1:03:05Lizzie Bassett: Thank you.

1:03:06Ronnie Karam: Find Lizzie Bassett at Lizzie Bassett on Instagram and her podcast at What Went Wrong Pod. And also you can find What Went Wrong anywhere you listen to podcasts because it's like Pretty Bag. And we were on the Grey Gardens episode, so go listen to that one. We had a great time doing that. And Lizzie, thanks a lot. I hope we get to hang out with you again soon.

1:03:25Lizzie Bassett: Yes, please. And we'll have to do episodes for each of your favorite movies where things went horribly wrong.

1:03:31Ronnie Karam: Yes. All right. You're the best. We'll talk to you later. Thanks for being here, everybody. Great to see you.

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