#3236 RHOBH S15E11: Glampton’s Fraud Alert

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1:28Ben Mandelker: hills season 15 episode 11 the price of divorce yes and it opens up with leil driving bows to san diego to visit keely and guess what this just in keely is so excited leil drive faster Not too fast. Slow down. Slow down, Lail. You're out of control. Lail.

1:53Ronnie Karam: Kel is excited to have a big episode where he's basically coming out to America as going to be somebody who quits his job and lives off of our money. That's right. Hope you enjoy that. So then we go over to Sutton playing tennis with her pro, Victor. And Amanda and Shoshana heard of Nail Salon. and Amanda's like um for the wedding you can be the flower girl with Delilah like what about putting her in a wagon or something and so she's like fine it would be funny if she got out and she ran away

2:29Ben Mandelker: Amanda's like um that might be distressful on the bride and that was the end of Amanda for the episode by the way that was it we only got that one bite and for as annoying as Amanda is I have to say I was eagerly waiting for more Amanda scenes I was like, okay, this is fine. This episode's fine. Can we get back to an Amanda scene? I need something to make fun of. And it never came. That was it. That was all that we got from Amanda this week. Yeah, all the Manda heads are like, wait a minute.

2:56Ronnie Karam: I need more Amanda. So the Hamptons. Yeah. So back, yeah, the Manda manifestes. What do you think her fans call themselves? The Manda festes. The Manda festing. Oh. Yeah. So we go to the Hamptons and Dorit's FaceTiming with Phoenix. and she's like, Hello! Do you know my son? Are you friends? Why are you calling me? How do you have my number?

3:25Ben Mandelker: Mommy, did you fly all the way to New York? And she's like, Yes. Yes, we flew all the way to New York, baby. Did you fly on a commercial plane? Yes, we went on a commercial plane, my love. If you go to Disneyland today, do you think you'll try Thunder Mountain? Notice how I'm going to change the subject away from commercial flying.

3:42Ronnie Karam: Yes. I don't know if you've heard it. Little girl who knows my son. But the commercial plane is the price of divorce.

3:51Ben Mandelker: So Phoenix is like, I'm definitely going on Thunder Mountain. Oh, so you're definitely going. I'm so proud of you, baby. So proud whatsoever.

4:00Ronnie Karam: And so she says, I'm really getting to see your father. But if you'd like to get extra visitation while I'm gone, you might want to go to Matterhorn. You can see him standing there in his underwear in the morning being grumpy that he doesn't have Pringles left in the cabinets.

4:16Ben Mandelker: Well, unfortunately, you'll have to stay away from the teacups because, unfortunately, your father always thinks that they're filled with vodka. Too bad, raging alcoholic he is.

4:25Ronnie Karam: I said it's not the shot glasses, Piki. It's the teacups. Get it together. I'm really pleased that at least I can be here in the Hemptons and the kids can be with Piki. And it feels a semblance of what it's supposed to feel like. I just hope and pray, pray that we can carry on and start to co-parent the way we always should have it.

4:47Ben Mandelker: Hey, babe, I'm in the tablet now. How's it going? Babe.

4:53Ronnie Karam: She's like, did you sleep okay last night? And the kid's like, yes, I slept okay. And it's all due to this big guy. And then she turns the camera to PK and he's just like, hello. What are you doing hanging out with the marshmallow man from the Ghost Boosters? Steady, mummy

5:11Ben Mandelker: Why are you drinking whiskey out from an upside down Mickey Mouse hat?

5:19Ronnie Karam: Yeah, she fell asleep alright It was good, babe It was good Oh, good Well, wonderful to see you, PK Wonderful to see you As far as my kids are concerned They don't know a single bad thing that PK has ever done to me. Well, except for flying commercial. And now having to pretend to smile and to wave. Is she always sucking on something? And it looks like she has a candy or something.

5:45Ben Mandelker: She had a candy in this. I noticed that as well. I'm like, Dorit, could you please get rid of your lozenge before you do your interview?

5:52Ronnie Karam: And I have to smile and woo like everything is honky-dury. And everything is great. And it's hard. and I've done it believing it's in the best interest of my kids. Fucking fuck. Fucking cocksucker. Fucking fucking goddamn fucking PK. God damn it.

6:10Ben Mandelker: She just starts cursing on screen. Okay, bye Phoenix. So upstairs, Rachel has things to say. She's like, holy shit. I'm like wrecked today. Sunglasses and a dress can hide a ton, but I took Tylenol. I did an eye mask. I took a B12. I took biotin I took everything And nothing is doing anything I'm like who are you talking to She's just in the kitchen Announcing this I was sorry I thought Xander was here I mean Xan Za I guess he's not Must have left

6:42Ronnie Karam: Um hi Oh my god You are so cute You know where about this Zara Can you believe it Can you believe it You know what Zara honestly So good Like Rachel took a moment I don't think she felt that Because Rachel was like Zara's so good. I'm on basic cable.

7:02Ben Mandelker: Zara's so good. She's like, wait, I might be able to do a deal with them. Know the room. Know the room. Know the room. Kyle's like, wow, I really like your earrings. They're really great. These are vintage Dior. Kyle's like, oh, gorgeous. Kyle's just staring like, where do I get vintage Dior? She's so jealous at all times. So the producer's like, so Rachel, not everything you own is designer, right? She's like, yeah. I mean, not everything I own is designer. I mean, most of it is. Let's be honest. It's not Zara. That's for sure.

7:34Ronnie Karam: Yeah, well, I'm tired today, but you're not tired. Because you didn't even drink and you rested. Like, I was in the DJ booth for, like, another hour and a half. It was crazy.

7:44Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Do you know how vulnerable it was of me to be in the DJ booth? I was like, wow, I'm so vulnerable up here, like, watching someone press play. It's like a lot. Here comes Dorit. Hey, Dorit. Hi, honey. Oh, my God. I can't with you. You look gorgeous. Just gorge. And it looks like you're not wearing a stitch of Zara. I appreciate that so much.

8:03Ronnie Karam: And we see on the screen Dorit,$28 ,000 Kelly bag. And Rachel's like, oh, my God, you guys, Kelly, seriously? I do not travel with my Kelly. That's bold. That is bold. Kyle's like, this is what I wanted to get. And they told me, Kyle, you will destroy it because, like, I'm not delicate and that color is white. So, whatever. Wow.

8:22Ben Mandelker: I'm, like, dying, dying for caffeine. Like you guys, we need to get caffeine. Yes, I am holding a venti already in my hands. I need more. It's like me in a DJ booth. I need more and more and more. I just can't have enough.

8:36Ronnie Karam: Well, I don't know if you guys heard, but like I had the chance to get that Kelly bag and I said, no, I mean, just so you guys know, like I could have gotten it, but I didn't get it.

8:44Ben Mandelker: I feel like the headline was really lost in my story. The story is that I could have gotten it and I didn't get it. So I'm kind of like Rachel, the way she actually has one, doesn't even bother bringing it. That's like called quiet luxury. So yeah, Rachel and I are kind of like the same person.

8:56Ronnie Karam: Yeah, you guys, I'm like, seriously, like, I'm not even kidding you. Need some retail therapy. I mean, so they go downtown and she's like, yeah, I need to shop to cure my hangover. So they go to the store. It's like. I don't know. They should have just called it like. I don't know. Dressing like you're 12. Every outfit in there was like a little girl outfit and very frilly and pink and stuff. and Dorit's like, oh my good, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't. That's how many languages I can't in. I mean, look at this. Is it mother, daughter? I seriously can't.

9:37Ben Mandelker: I love that I just left my Kelly on the table. That's how I do it. And Rachel is like, Rachel puts on a hat. She goes, guys, what do you think? I know it's supposed to go like this, but it's too pointed for my head, so it's going to go on like this. What do you think about like this? Oh God, I'm such a rebel. Do you think this would look good in a DJ booth? Oh, my God. I'm so vulnerable right now.

9:56Ronnie Karam: You guys, one thing that I don't have enough of is a straw hat. Like, I do not have enough straw hats. Rachel, you don't need another straw hat, okay? You've got plenty of straw hats. No, I do.

10:07Ben Mandelker: I do. Guys, this hat's making my hangover go away. It's like an anti-hangover hat. Guys, I need to buy my hat. Okay, everyone? Guys, I'm buying it. Oh, guys, I bought it. I bought the hat. Guys.

10:17Ronnie Karam: Oh, my God. Dorit's over there. She's, like, trying to put something on her head. Do you need help? Like, I'm a stylist. You don't seem to know what a scarf is. Let me help you. It goes on your head. It's like, oh, look at that. I look adorable. We could do it like 47 different ways. It's crazy.

10:33Ben Mandelker: Look, in this way, it's like a scarf. But in this way, it's like a bandana. You like it? Yeah. Dorit's like doing like runway walks, trying on this like bandana as if she's never worn one in her hair before.

10:46Ronnie Karam: It's Sue, me. How does it look in front? You know what? I love it as a headband. It could also be a bikini. It could be a heel. You could like, it could be a heel if you want. Such a vibe. Such a vibe.

10:58Ben Mandelker: Let's just try this like one thing. Let's make it like a headband, but then turn it into a bandana halfway across your forehead so it just like dangles over your eye. How do you like that? Ooh, it's so me. This is, oh, absolutely incredible, Rachel. You're a genius. I know, it's crazy. It's such a vibe. So vibey.

11:14Ronnie Karam: Well, I think the only difference in my shopping habits since I've been separated I find that I'm not Boing is mooch or as impulsively is mooch It's time for a commercial It's time for a Crappens commercial

11:34Ben Mandelker: So as she pulls everything off the shelf of this place As a single mother, my expenses have gone up, but I've been hustling my tush off. I still can treat myself a fair amount, and maybe more than a fair amount as long as I don't lose$30 ,000 in my checkout basket. But I'm responsible. Very responsible.

11:54Ronnie Karam: Oh my god. Meet me next door at Georgina like I can't. I'm going to meet Kyle. Okay. I'm going over there. I'm going to Georgina. Okay. I think it's called Georgiana. Georgiana. Sorry. Georgiana. You're right. Georgina was a dumb slut. She got kicked out of the Hamptons.

12:10Ben Mandelker: Yeah, there's an A in there. Georgiana. Literally Kyle. Literally, Dorit just bought half the store. Look at that. Half the store. And her total, to reach total, is about like$4 ,500, which is a lot of money, but on this show, that's like not a crazy amount. I was expecting it to say like$13 ,000, $15 ,000. I was like $4 ,500 for Beverly Hills Housewife. I was like, sort of seems okay.

12:37Ronnie Karam: Well, except when you know that the mortgage hasn't been paid or whatever she was talking about. Right. so her card doesn't go through which is very very dorit she's like oh

12:55Ronnie Karam: sorry everybody i just speak in different languages when i get angry with credit companies now listen everybody it's called a fraud alert all right stop judging me america i only see you on your little Twitters, dingy-dangling criticisms at me. I'm not poor. It's fraud alert.

13:14Ben Mandelker: It's not because of my spending. It's because I'm 3 ,000 miles away from home. You guys, I didn't try this, but I was meant to. I need to add this onto the tally. A$325 dress. So she's buying stuff. Kyle's getting annoyed because she's waiting. And Kyle's like, oh, there she is. Oh, wow. She has a whole new outfit on. Oh, my God. You got so much stuff to read. Like, wow, what was your total Wow, you're crazy. I'm like, Kyle, you made your entire storyline last year about how you love to shop. You can shop anywhere you go. And now someone else is shopping. You're like, whoa, crazy person. Check her into a mental hospital.

13:50Ronnie Karam: Well, yeah, because she's getting that all on camera for PK. So she can be. I told her. I told her. I mean, I don't know why she's spending so much money. Oh, my God. What did you just spend? Like a house? Like, oh, my God. People who shop at Zara could afford a house with the money that you just spent.

14:06Ben Mandelker: so uh then they go back to the hamptons house and rachel's like that was a very very productive shopping day wow i want to do guys the reason why there's like lots of wine out is because i want to do something special for my family my family loves wine they're like the best family ever did you see last night when my entire family got into the dj booth it was like insane we just danced and watched the dj it was amazing so now they go to kind of take a break before the nighttime and

14:31Ronnie Karam: get ready and stuff and kyle facetimes portia and she's like hi portia honey i miss you so okay sorry i gotta go bose is there bye it's like one second

14:43Ben Mandelker: one second bose like hello i'm calling because i have fomo i'm stuck with amanda francis journaling in some pad from staples and you're out there at the hamptons tell me everything

14:54Ronnie Karam: because like um hi how are you um you know i'm last year bose and i struggled to connect i'm like a deeper level. So I appreciate that she's making the effort to, you know, get to know me separate from Dorit.

15:08Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Kyle's just happy that Dorit, that Bose was like, oh my God, it's killing me that I'm not there. And Kyle, Kyle literally goes, oh my God, did you see our Instagram stories? We were having so much fun. Some would say like the most fun ever and will never be replicated. So you kind of did miss out. Yeah, I guess I'm in the fun group. Oh, well, bye.

15:24Ronnie Karam: I was dancing more than anybody for the longest time. Like it's not a competition, but like I won. So.

15:30Ben Mandelker: I don't know if you know this, but like Billy Joel's song for the longest time, it was about me dancing in the Hamptons. He's from Long Island, you know.

15:38Ronnie Karam: So how's Dorit been? And she's like, you know, she's been a little like, I can't really explain it. I can't put my finger on it. But like I got to the airport and she was still at home. She hadn't even left yet. So there's that. I mean, you know. And Boz is like, oh, my God. And then she gets there and then she forgets her passport. She doesn't even have a real ID. And I don't know if it's like manic or if it's OCD kicking in from anxiety. Because I used to get that. I used to get that even worse than her I got better OCD than her

16:05Ben Mandelker: Yeah my OCD went away when I started Buying Kelly bags I bought so many of them That I could just stop buying them You know etc But like when Mo and I were first separated Everyone was so focused on my not drinking and working out too much And Dorit was like the first one to point that out to me But I feel like if I were to say that To her it would not go well So right now I just want to focus on staying in the right path with her No You want to get your revenge Because Dorit pointed it out to you And now you want to be like, oh, wow, you know, because you said that Kyle was going through something.

16:34Ben Mandelker: I'm now going to say tell everyone that Dorit's going through something like this. She's been waiting for this moment.

16:40Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And it's really stupid to be having this conversation with Boze because, you know, Boze is going to go right. It's her best friend. So she's going to go right back and tell Dorit. Right. Right. So Boze is like, well, Kyle has been warning Dorit to be careful of the way she describes PK's personality. So it doesn't blow back on her. and you know Kyle should actually take her own advice about what she's talking about especially given this contentious divorce because if PK hears that and can use that against Dorit that's a problem that is a problem which is a good point she's like oh my gosh Kyle you know Kyle's like oh my gosh Dorit you better watch how you talk about your husband he's going to use everything against you and then Kyle's like oh my god she's spending money erratically and she's got a mental disorder

17:22Ben Mandelker: yeah she's like Kyle is so Kyle yeah she was shopping at the store like crazy today oh she was buying too much stuff and i'm like i love kyle uh talking about how dorit is buying too much stuff in the wake of a divorce when kyle herself just bought a house in tennessee but like that's fine let you know dorit buys a 300 dress but like that's fine so kyle is like in my opinion it's just like too much money to spend in a situation right now yes i wasn't even worried i heard that she had bought a kelly just like yours Oh, like mine? Thank you for acknowledging them. I had mine first. Thank you so much, Bose.

17:56Ben Mandelker: I knew we were getting close. Oh, yeah. Are you talking about her little Hermes bag? The little one, the tiny one? The little one, the thimble, right?

18:06Ronnie Karam: Okay, I was like, okay. But the challenge is you've got a looming financial crisis. So I don't know the continual spending. It's really the way to go. Well, she's used to spending. I mean, like it's a hard adjustment for her. I get that. And so Bose is like, well, we have to figure out how to talk to her in a non-offensive way about being more focused on a positive life or whatever. And Kyle's like, I don't know. I don't know.

18:30Ben Mandelker: This whole conversation was so undermining. Well, she's used to spending. You know, she doesn't have any real responsibilities, so she does frivolous things like shop and shop and shop and shop. Like, that's basically what she's saying there. It's, wow, so Kyle.

18:44Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So now we go to Malibu, and Sutton arrives at this restaurant, and Jennifer comes in, and she's like, hello satin how are you hello and uh jennifer has uh has entered with her bag is i don't know

19:01Ben Mandelker: if it's even a bag it's just like a big plastic cat did you notice that she's on the table of course

19:08Ronnie Karam: her whole outfit is so crazy and fun i love it she's got like this crazy outfit and then glasses that match it exactly in a plastic cat and uh she knows she's not gonna no one's gonna ask her a damn thing about herself. She's just going to come here and nod to Sutton. So she's like, well, I guess I'll just look fabulous while I do it. Yeah.

19:26Ben Mandelker: I tried to look ocean side. I tried to do a theme. I would like a glass of rosé. Do you have a glass? I'm so starving. What can you get to make me less starving? You know,

19:38Ronnie Karam: it's funny. I was thinking of this place because in 2016 I was up the hill. You know, I was renting. And look, here's a picture of Porter on the beach. Isn't that crazy? And she looks at the picture and it's like oh my god isn't that interesting setting wow a picture of your daughter your daughter on a beach oh i'm glad i drove here for this actually i don't i actually own a house i don't rent i own two right up the street one to have fun and and the other to just watch chucky and so these are my malibu places wow a picture with your daughter was now

20:15Ben Mandelker: I sincerely thought what was going to happen, they're in Malibu, suddenly showing pictures from a time in Malibu, and I thought, okay, the show is actually going to address the horrific fires that ravaged Malibu and the Pacific Palisades all in this area because the show has actually not addressed this at all. This is like a major calamity that happened to the city, and Bose lost a house in the fire. Didn't they talk about that? I don't think that they talked about it, right? I don't think it's been.

20:47Ronnie Karam: I thought they did, but maybe you're right. Maybe they just never even talked about it. Because I remember the other fires because didn't Denise lose the house? Maybe they talked about it in the reunion or something.

20:59Ben Mandelker: There was an issue with Denise and Camille. I mean, there was a big, that was like a crazy fire then. So I just assumed that would be part of this. And it sort of occurred to me like, oh my God, we're like pretty deep in the season. And it hasn't been addressed. There's no obligation to address it. but it just sort of seems like this is a big thing that happened to the city. And it's wild that it has not even been touched on. So I'm like, oh, they're going to do it now. Sutton's brought her pictures. And then she's going to say, it's just crazy what happened. And then have a scene where they say the city's been through so much, blah, blah, blah.

21:30Ben Mandelker: I know. I just sort of was bracing for that.

21:31Ronnie Karam: I think they did it at the reunion. So maybe they thought that counts. Because I remember Bo's talking about it, like how she worked. You know, she worked so hard. And that was like one of the first things she got to buy herself. And then I forgot. Ah, I forgot about that. Yeah, maybe you're right. So, but yeah, still. But Sutton's like, well, it just reminds me. It was 2016. That was my last year with Christian. And Jennifer's like, well, the Sutton I knew 10 years ago, she was very chic. She was very cultured. She had very skinny legs. And she belonged to the board of museums. She had a really handsome husband.

22:09Ronnie Karam: They seemed like a perfect couple. nobody thought anything was wrong and then of course I got to know her and she was you know crazy and I could see the cracks all over the place and I saw it just go downhill real fast you know

22:26Ben Mandelker: yeah that's basically what this is about yeah she was an upstanding member of society and now she is a reality star so I decided you know what I'll just join her

22:35Ronnie Karam: well I had a big conversation with Porter and I said Porter do you remember 2016 on the beach I still have a picture. And she said, wow, that's fascinating. And I said, the annulment went through. And then I started crying. I started crying. Well, you know, it's an emotional thing for someone still living in 2016. It's 10 years past that, but go on.

22:57Ben Mandelker: Well, I did not know it was going to hit me because, you know, I've been, you know, talking about it for months. And I really feel like I'm pretty single and talking about Christian's new girlfriend and everything like that. And, you know, it was just shocking to me. and Jennifer's bored because she's probably heard Sutton talk about this a million times. This is not the first time they've broached this topic.

23:16Ronnie Karam: I know, and you know Jennifer's like, Well, finally, today I'm going to talk about how I was just cast to be on a new television show and Sutton's going to be so happy for me. Sutton's like, You want to talk about 2016 again? Let's do it. I know. You have nothing to say, ever. So we hear this from Jennifer, which we haven't really heard any of this from Sutton. She's like, well, I think that Sutton acts so much to say, oh, I'm okay with that, whatever. Like, okay, well, he's marrying my best friend, but, you know, I'm okay with it. It's like, whoa, he's marrying her best friend.

23:49Ben Mandelker: I feel like I did not know that. Sutton's like, when I found out that Christian was dating my friend who we had raised our boys together, I was shocked. And I think the biggest betrayal was that neither one of them told me about the relationship. And I had to hear about it from my son. And not only did I have to hear about it from my son, it was wedged between two dumb stories about how he fixed a soda machine in Alabama.

24:10Ronnie Karam: There is nothing as horrifying as hearing bad news from your son while he is trying to unstick an almond joy from a candy machine.

24:22Wow.

24:22Ben Mandelker: Sometimes you do feel like a nut and sometimes you don't. And that day I felt like a big nut.

24:28Ronnie Karam: Well, you're very respectful how you talk about Christian. And, well, you know, we had a long history together, and I get$350 ,000 a month. So I'm not going to start a fight. I'll tell you what I'm not going to do is start a fight. Well, you know, Sutton, she just pretends everything's okay, and she doesn't want to get so close to the tragicness of the situation. But if it was happening to me, I would be raging. I would be raging because it's unfair.

25:00Ben Mandelker: Well, I want to remain Catholic And that's important to me But I'm no longer Sutton Strack In the Catholic Church I want to be brown I really do It's kind of like Willa Ford once sang I want to be brown No, that was I want to be down A very different song, Sutton

25:21Ronnie Karam: Well, you can be whoever you want to be You're entering a whole new face of your life Now you're a brown You know, you did Christian a really big favor By agreeing to that annulment She goes, what do you mean by marrying him in the first place? I sure did, sure did

25:37Ben Mandelker: Yes, and by the way That was Brandy who sang that song Not Will Afford I don't know how in the world I got those two mixed up But I guess I'm so bored with this storyline That I'd just start mixing pop stars together

25:48Ronnie Karam: Well, it's not easy being brown I'll tell you that much That was a song by Miss Piggy

25:59Ronnie Karam: That was a song by He-Man It's not easy being green By Miss Piggy Sutton So then we go to Erica's house And she's like oh I want to have a cake But I'm not going to have a till after therapy That's what I'm going to do I'm going to have the cake after therapy God this talk has been good with me Love you Lee Love you

26:20Ben Mandelker: So Dr. Jen Dr. Jen Mann arrives She's a double N and double N. Dr. Jenna Manana. She's here. And she's like got two extra ends for therapy savings. You don't spell savings with an N. I know I'm working on my branding, Erica, and I'm not the patient right now. You are.

26:43Ronnie Karam: Can I just say, we say this every time this therapist is shown on TV, the best therapist on Bravo. She's really good therapist. therapist she's actually really good i don't think i've ever said that about a therapist on bravo so i'm just impressed every time i say it but she's actually really really good and i like that she kind of looks like joan london that's fun yeah i can see that i'd spend the whole therapy being like oh my god my childhood was so hard was mary hard a bitch she was so erica says uh yeah i'm

27:17Ben Mandelker: waiting until after our session to eat some chocolate cake and jen's like okay great so So Erica is like, well, I have an upcoming trial and they're taking me to trial for$25 million and this is the bankruptcy trustee. And, you know, I've got$10 million tax bill and that was left to me. And you know how people say, what's the worst that can happen? Well, the worst happened. Jen's like, well, the worst happened for Tom. The worst didn't actually happen for you because look where you are now. You're in a$4 million home in Hancock Park, a very exclusive neighborhood. And you're on TV and you're doing pretty well.

27:47Ben Mandelker: Okay. Okay.

27:48Ronnie Karam: That's right. Oh, but I'm tired. I'm tired. And she's like, okay, but you know what we've learned? All we have is the now. And then Erica goes, yeah, but you know what? The now isn't that great. The now sucks. Thank God for someone finally saying that. The power of now has always bugged me because people are like living the moment. I'm like, I want to get out of the moment. That's the problem. The moment is the problem. It was nice to hear someone vocalize that.

28:16Ben Mandelker: Yeah. But then Jen is like, yeah, but you're now in a beautiful environment, in a safe home, in a lovely relationship. Yeah, but no one understands how hard that is to smile and say it's going to be okay and fine. So then she talks about how she shared her story of abuse on the previous episode on Saturday. And she talks about how it felt like the right time to talk about it and how there's so much shame in getting hit or choked or kicked. And she really identified when Denise said it was very difficult to call the police, because then you're worried that it's just going to become bigger. And Erica's sobbing.

28:53Ben Mandelker: She's really crying. She's showing real genuine emotion here. And she's also saying how it's even more complicated when your kid is the police and you just feel the shame more and more and more. And Dr. Jen is saying that she was very lucky to have survived and she was like, I've just been worried that you've been carrying it around and you've been carrying it around, you know, silently all around. And now you speaking about it are your first steps of being able to let go of it.

29:23Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And so she's talking about that and, like, all these cases going on and, like, how do you keep your head above water and all of this. And she's like, you know, and everybody wants to say something's good that's going to come out of this, but really? When? When? And she goes, you know, look, here's one of the secrets of life. You know, we imagine that there's going to be this moment in life where all the bills are paid and our laundry's folded and in the drawers and we have no major stressors and we've gotten to the other side of everything and no new terrible things happen. And Erica's like, yes, yes.

29:52Ronnie Karam: When does that happen? She goes, no, that doesn't happen. Life sucks. Life always is going to suck. And that's, that's how it is. You wake up, life still sucks. And you just have to figure out how to deal with life sucking. And I was like, oh my God, thank you. Thank you for saying, it doesn't mean you have to walk around miserable because life sucks. You just have to like read a history book and realize that it's always sucked and that that's part of life. Oh my God, this is the best advice I've ever heard on Bravo. I love her.

30:20Ben Mandelker: Do I at least get my chocolate cake still? Is there going to be a time for the chocolate cake? You will get your chocolate cake. Yes.

30:28Ronnie Karam: That's what life is. You just make it through the day to have that piece of fucking chocolate cake. High five. Get the fuck out of my house. I want my chocolate cake though. commercials here comes one right now

30:46Ben Mandelker: so now it's time to go back to the hamptons and uh we're at a pool and there's an old bartender walking around and uh rachel's family arrives an hour and seven minutes late and she's like oh my god hi family what's going on it's been honestly forever since i've said my family's been together it's been so long it's been since like christmas i'm like wait

31:14Ben Mandelker: seven years it's been seven years since we've all been together no she's like it's been like so it's bananas how long we've been away from each other like four months

31:27Ronnie Karam: but we're the most connected family of all time like i joke that when i moved to la it's been like the best relationship adjustment with my mom so kyle comes down and she's like oh my god how are you how are you uh kyle has a nice little moment here where she talks about how when she sees

31:46Ben Mandelker: someone who's still has both their parents she's in awe because it would have been really nice to have her mom and dad around when she was going through her separation with mo so she could call up her mom be like mom it was nice it was a nice moment for kyle nice reflection so um she's like

32:01Ronnie Karam: Oh my god she thought it was like Dorit is still struggling with her outfit Like she won't come down because she thinks it's Too fall and she's not happy about it Like she thought it wasn't Hamptons enough so Oh my god Does she need my help because like she could do that Outfit in like 19 different ways

32:17Ben Mandelker: Yeah I just feel so Vulnerable right now when I offer my help It's just like it's so amazing Honestly it's rude we're in a house And she's still late So they all sit down and Rachel's like Kyle has a home in all of our favorite places. Aspen. They have houses everywhere. Aspen, the desert. Aspen. More Aspen.

32:40Ronnie Karam: Don't forget the two in LA. Yeah, there's two in LA too. Yeah, don't forget that too. Oh, and Nashville. I have so many houses.

32:48Ben Mandelker: Why Nashville, Kyle? Kyle gives a little nasty look to the camera like you're cutting this right.

32:56Ronnie Karam: It's like, um, because the investment, The investment, you know, it's a good place to invest in vaginas. And also, you know, the taxes are really good. The taxes are good, too. So Dorit comes down. Dorit was worried that she wasn't in the Hamptons enough. So she comes down dressed all in black. What the hell?

33:12Ben Mandelker: And that does not match at all. So Rachel's like, oh, you're wearing the new outfit. I love it. Queen Dorit. This is amazing. I can't wait to tell Zan this incredible look.

33:24Ronnie Karam: So Dorit hugs the dad. And he's like, oh, hello. Your name is Dor? Dorit. Dorit. Dorit. Just shut up. Oh, you know what? Let me tell you this. I've known you for five minutes, but already Jackie wants to call you his daddy. Jackie just wants to call you daddy.

33:43Ben Mandelker: Rachel, dad, are you afraid to go on Thunder Mountain? Just wondering. So Dorit's like, I have had the best time with your daughter. Just the best. Well, she couldn't be a better person. That's the mom speaking. The mom has this bouffant, this big hair. Big sort of like old lady helmet hair is the best. She has amazing.

34:01Ronnie Karam: She has like Vicki Lawrence hair. I love it.

34:04Ben Mandelker: Yes. It's Vicki Lawrence. It's totally Vicki Lawrence hair. These nice big dangling earrings. I love her. Yeah.

34:10Ronnie Karam: She couldn't be a better person. She's not a pretty face. She's not just a pretty face. You know, she's also a pretty face into caftan. So, and Rachel's like, Oh my God, my mom is like Elizabeth Taylor. Like I've never seen the woman in jeans or sweats or without makeup or without jewelry. Like never. She calls me the apple from her tree.

34:29Ben Mandelker: yeah, I'm basically like a small apple. I'm an apple and you can pick me up and I'm like, hey, be careful with me. I'm an apple, you know? And Dorit's like, well, when I met Rachel, it was like, same, same, same, same, same, same, same. Yes, because yeah, because she's like going through like a bad divorce too, but like not as high profile as mine, but like pretty cool in another way. She's like the Zara version of me.

34:50Ronnie Karam: So basically, yeah, divorce. And Rachel's like, yeah, and Kyle's separated too. And then the mom's like, well, you know, getting along is better. like because you know he's not a bad person your ex he's a stunted person but you know life happens it stunts men what are you gonna do she's like yeah my mom like he wasn't just a son-in-law to my mom he was a son like I was basically incesting that whole time and they loved it they were like growing flowers in the attic she called us her little flowers in the attic it was just like my poor mom my poor mom she misses my my brother husband so much

35:22Ben Mandelker: my mom taught Raj how to moisturize it was like that's how much of a son he was to her

35:29Ronnie Karam: well it's unfortunate because we have young children so it's important to have a good

35:34Ben Mandelker: relationship i just feel bad for my family he was like their favorite person for like so long he was like mine he was my favorite too but like whatever meanwhile the entire time while they're talking about their divorces they keep cutting to pamela the sister who got divorced like 12 years ago and she's like you guys really think you're the first one here to go through this bullshit

35:55Ronnie Karam: I know. You're in the Hamptons. Like 80 % of us are on our second or third. Okay. And Kyle's just looking like, yeah, well, you know, I'm not divorced. I'm just like, you know, I'm just like separated, but it's like the best separation in time. So like, you know, just not that anyone's keeping score, but I'm winning. I'm winning. I'm winning the pre-dinner game.

36:15Ben Mandelker: Yeah. So now Bo's a lair. Go to dinner with Kili. So Bo says that Peter's death left such an absence, and it's like giving me a chair to sit or opening the car door. Lail didn't get to see any of that. With Kili, she has an illustration of what chivalry looks like, and also what a strange hairline looks like, too, I'd like to add. And I would love her to experience that, because it's all new to Kili. So all new to Lail, I should say. Now to you, Kili.

36:43Ronnie Karam: It's so hard with Lail, because, you know, the first date she went into, she was walking into the restaurant and walked straight into the door. There's no one there to open it for her. She came home with a bloody forehead.

36:55Ben Mandelker: You should see how many times she falls on the floor, not realizing that someone could actually open it, pull out the chair for her.

37:05Ronnie Karam: We laugh, yes, but we cry afterwards.

37:06Ben Mandelker: But now she knows what chivalry looks like,

37:08Ronnie Karam: and it looks like Keeley. What a stud. So Keeley's like, hey. And Keeley's like, hey, to San Diego and to all being together. That includes you too, Lael. And I was like, mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Lael just has a smile on her face the whole time and nods at Keely, but I really want to know what Lael is thinking because she does make a couple of faces during this dinner. I'm looking forward to continuing our fertility journey. So Keely's like, well, you know, if the next round doesn't work, do you want to give your body a break? And she's like, well, you know, that's some what if. You know, there are lots of what ifs.

37:40Ronnie Karam: And the biggest one is if you want a baby and I'm afraid if you don't get a baby, what's going to happen? That's the most terrifying what if here, Keely. Are you just going to leave me if I can't give you a baby? And Lael's just like, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. This is a great conversation. Thank you so much for bringing me to dinner.

37:57Ben Mandelker: Well, I just want to say to you, Boz, and to you, Lael, and to you, America, no matter what, I still want to marry you, and I still want to call you a stepdaughter or even a daughter one day. You have my word.

38:11Ronnie Karam: yeah and he goes well um there's always what ifs like you said and my biggest fear is what if okay i lost my source of income or i lost my job i mean how would you feel and buzz is like uh well uh well i'm not going to be a deadbeat now okay you're not going to see me being lazy well um well i love you for you and you provide more than just financial security for me i mean And Lael is sitting here without a bloody forehead. So that's good. You know, you opened a door. So now if those things stop, we'll have a problem. You know, you better keep opening doors. But otherwise, I won't have a problem at all if you use your job.

38:51Ronnie Karam: She will. You see it in her face. She's like, oh, hell no. I know you're not coming to dinner and announcing that you're going to stop working in five years, sir.

38:58Ben Mandelker: If he loses his job, he better move right up to Los Angeles. Because let me tell you something. I can tell by Lael's face, she does not like going down to San Diego. She's like, why are we leaving LA to go to San Diego again to eat at like the yard house downtown?

39:12Ronnie Karam: And Lil also did not love that answer when he's like, what if I lose my job? She just like does that squint look at him like, oh, really? Great, great. Red flag, red flag, red flag.

39:24Ben Mandelker: And just so you know, I will continue my businesses, whatever they are. I like to make my own money. So don't you worry, everyone. I'm definitely not in financial arrears.

39:34Ronnie Karam: everything is fine and even the music cues don't believe him because the music while he's talking the music cues change to be like you know like clown music so yeah red flags so uh rachel um

39:50Ben Mandelker: now we're back in the hamptons in a car and rachel says to dorit you look so hot thank you for not wearing zara today who would ever do that in the hamptons oh sorry kyle didn't realize you're in are with us. Well, anyway, let's meet a boy. I'm a believer in these things being organic. Let's meet a boy. Maybe we'll meet another Xander.

40:08Ronnie Karam: Yeah, yeah. You know what? You can meet people in the wild. Like, it's crazy. Like, you know, the market, an airplane. Oh, this reminds me of a story. I met a guy on a plane once, and he hands me this, like, note that he wrote on one of the plane napkins, and it says, you know, do you want to stay at the airport and, like, take a shower with me? I mean, in the airport, take a shower. Like, it's a go home and be with your family, or you could just stay here and shower with me. Wow.

40:32Ben Mandelker: Isn't that crazy? His name was Michael Myers. Rachel's like, wow, that's kind of creepy. But like, if he's hot, like I can see it. I was like, see, this is, this is why hot people have privilege because they could literally propose something super creepy. And because they're hot, it's like, wow, that's actually like a really sexy thing. But like, if it was like an ugly person, like, ew, get away from me. I don't want to shower with you.

40:55Ronnie Karam: Ugly people, the air marshal comes. They're like, excuse me. We have complaints. And Rachel goes, honestly, Kyle, do you know how many times a day that happens? To you? No, not to me. Oh, I thought you meant to you. No. No.

41:11Ben Mandelker: No, to people who don't wear Zara. That's why Kyle doesn't know.

41:15Ronnie Karam: Are you sure he didn't think you were a prostitute because you were wearing Zara?

41:21Ben Mandelker: They go to this restaurant and they sit down. And Rachel's like, the hostess seats them. And Rachel goes, she's so beautiful. And I was like, that's so nice of her to say about the hostess. And she goes, the purse. Like, this purse is so beautiful. Put on the chair. Because I'd die if something happened to her. I was like, oh, okay. You were not talking about the human who guided you to your table. You were talking about your tiny bag.

41:42Ronnie Karam: I need a bit of hair of the dog. Do you know what that is? Do you know what it is? Hair of the dog. Yeah. Like, I was thinking the same thing. But do you know what it is? It's a pretty common phrase to read. Ooh, hair of the dog. Have that. It's a bilfidia with club soda. and I want three lemons and I want them squeezed in and I want a cock. All right, I'm in mixed company. Just leave the rinds outside of the glass. And Rachel's like, oh my God, how many times have you heard this drink being ordered? Like, do you hear it while you're sleeping? I mean, seriously.

42:15Ben Mandelker: Guys, today is the craziest anniversary for me. I'm going to pull in Amanda Francis. It's one year since my entire year broke apart. Yeah, he was an Aspen. and whatever happened, happened and I split open. Like I was gutted. It was like the substance and like I crawled out of me because I was split open and me crawled out. And I just remember being on the ground and like crying and being like oh my god, I can't believe how pretty my purse is. I'm putting that on the counter before I cry any longer.

42:46Ronnie Karam: What do you mean happened? It was something terrible. Was your credit card declined? No, no, nothing like that. Did Kyle This your$28 ,000 killie.

42:57Ben Mandelker: No, no, it was nothing like that. Did, did Roger eat all of your Pringles again? No.

43:04Ronnie Karam: No, it was a fight. Okay. It was a fight. Like I'm done. I was like, I'm done. I'm done. Like I'm dead. I'm done. I'm dead done. The last year was the worst with reconciling and fighting and then reconciling and then fighting and then reconciling and then fighting and then putting on a caftan and fighting and then reconciling and putting on another caftan. It was hard. That weekend made it really, really easy to go.

43:24Ben Mandelker: wait a second, did you find out through the grapevine? Or like, did he confess? Like, how much did you find out that like that, what he did that upset you so much? Like, tell me everything. She's like, well, he told me. Yeah, I died. I died as bananas.

43:36Ronnie Karam: A man who admits things. Is he single?

43:41Ben Mandelker: I had just like, I had just had Brian out with his birthday. Remember Brian? You guys don't know Brian, but he's like a friend, Brian. Anyway, you don't need to know his last name. Just know Brian was with me. And like, I had just come home and there was a call. and honestly it's like I saw red mainly because my phone lit up with like a little red dot that said I had a voicemail so I like picked up the phone I was like hello how do I access my voicemail I don't even know how to do this it took me 45 minutes even just to have the phone call in the first place I just hung up so many times I was so mad

44:09Ronnie Karam: yeah like the way we were married like I never looked at his phone like never not once like I never even picked it up I was like ew it's greasy it was so heavy like I never touched it disgusting never even considered and then that day and Kyle's like did he apologize? Did he cry? No, nothing like that. I mean, people always asked us why we worked. And the first answer was always trust. And when that trust is broken, it's broken. There's no going back. The minute I lost trust was the minute that he didn't put my suitcase into the overhead. Over. It was over.

44:40Ben Mandelker: He let our son go outside without moisturizing first. I was like, it's done. It's done.

44:47Ronnie Karam: Oh, do you think he told you because he felt guilty? Well, you know, there was that. But like he wanted to see if I like still gave a shit But you know what I can't go back I can't unsee it I can't unhear it I can't undie You know what I mean

45:00Ben Mandelker: I don't actually Was he insecure No he was actually a very secure person Up until the last six or seven years And then when we were like first together He was like an investment banker And I was like a stylist and I was like gone for like three weeks a month Doing like fashion shows and like Styling and like flying and like crying And like splitting myself open And he never held me back And like people were just like, how do you do what you do? And she's like working with male models and celebs. And he was like, if they can get her, then they can have them, Donna Karen. And once I fooled around with this guy and he was like a model and I was like four years in.

45:38Ben Mandelker: So like I told him, I fooled around with like a model, like the hottest model you've ever seen. Like the kind of model where you just be like, I die. I die at your looks. And then Raj proposed to me the next day. Bananas.

45:50Ronnie Karam: And Kyle's like, I mean, what kind of marriage are you setting yourself up for? I mean, if you cheat and then like you immediately get married. I mean, that sets a precedent. No.

46:01Ben Mandelker: I was like, wow, that was a bitchy comment. That was so mean. That is, once again, Kyle being a girl's girl for everyone.

46:10Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And Dorit's like, well, how does he feel? I'm curious. Oh, he was like so secure. That's what I'm saying. Like, he didn't even care. He was like, oh, my God, you got a model? you know points like you get points like there's no resemblance to the person that was to who he was a year ago when my life changed when people are allowed to change well yeah for the worst well yeah like he said he's happy with the person he'd become so like it's all good and like i didn't wait another six years waiting for the person that i knew to come back so anyway child kyle get your tea, Zara. Okay. And let's make a toast.

46:48Ronnie Karam: Toast to like not waiting for the person who's probably dead now. He's dead. Okay. It's been a whirlwind weekend. We haven't slept and my family knows you now. So like you guys, I went through six caftans this weekend. So like good for us.

47:04Ben Mandelker: They like understand my life more and more and they understand me more and I know them so much more. Like I know that Kyle wears Zara in the Hamptons and like Like, that's like a lot. Kind of split me right open. And they needed it. There's like so much love all around. Guys.

47:21Ronnie Karam: And that's that. They all make a cheers and they're going to go back to Los Angeles.

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