#3239 RHOP S10E20 Reunion 3 Part Two: Sharin’ is Karen

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0:53Ben Mandelker: hello and welcome to watch what crappens a podcast about all that crap on bravo that we just love to talk about this is part two of the recap if you missed part one go check out your podcast feed it's right there and without further ado let's get right back into the recap so now we have unseen footage unseen footage and karen and wendy are sitting talking and karen's like well when your back was against the wall and people were attacking your mother calling her a witch i had your back and my question to you is why weren't you unwavering unwavering in support of me and wendy's like when people are dragging about the dui thing i have held you down till today So for you to specifically bring up my mother thing and then use the W words towards my mom, I would expect what you did from the other ladies.

1:35Ben Mandelker: But I wouldn't have expected that from you.

1:37Ronnie Karam: So here we go, Wendy. And now Wendy has decided to double down and twist that even more. And she says, well, you went first. You betrayed me. You called my mother a witch. No, she did not call your mother a witch. Just stop it. She said, when people called your mother a witch, I stood up for you. It's not the same thing. And you know it.

1:55Ben Mandelker: yeah i that's yeah that feels like she was like she saw a way in and was like oh she called my

2:03Ronnie Karam: witch i can run with this but look how instantly alive this show becomes with karen back on it i mean instantly like all of all of wendy's bullshit is like immediately exposed i felt like with karen being here wendy's called out and she's like because everybody else is like oh my god wendy wendy you're so amazing congratulations on your nomination to prison

2:26Ben Mandelker: well you betrayed me you call my mother a witch a witch well that's i mean cynthia rivo's a witch what's this it's an honor it's a great honor what are you talking about for her for you to sit here and act like i took some pride in using that word disgust you think i took pride in saying the word witch i'm like you guys it's the word witch i understand that there's cultural elements that are, you know, that are different for Wendy and her mother, but it's also like, it's just hilarious because they're acting like it's the C word, but I guess that is the cultural difference there. So I guess - Yeah, but that fight

2:59Ronnie Karam: was a Nneka fight and a Mia thing. That wasn't, you know, I mean, mostly - Which actually started, let's never forget. Yes, which actually started. So I'm pleased. So Karen's like, well, I'm saying very, let me, I want to make it very, very clear. I'm sorry I didn't understand that. I'm very clear. I do want to say this, though, Annie, very clearly. No disrespect to you.

3:25Ben Mandelker: Are you eating a Three Musketeers bar, Karen?

3:27Ronnie Karam: I've had it injected into my lip, actually. It's delicious. It's a slow release. Slow release. Now, listen. No disrespect to your mother. I adore your mother. I particularly love when she told you to shut the fuck up this season. And I started cracking up, and then everyone else was like, I can't believe it. Wendy was traumatized by her mother telling her to shut the fuck up. How dare you? It was a sensitive scene.

3:51Ben Mandelker: Yeah, Karen thought she was like, this is a good read. And everyone was offended by it. By the way, it is also hilarious that Karen's most famous thing that she says consistently is,

4:02Ronnie Karam: let me be very clear.

4:03Ben Mandelker: But she now has to say it while literally having a lip hanging down to her chin, a top lip. And she literally cannot be clear. Let me be very clear. I was like, I actually would love it if you could be very clear right now.

4:13Ronnie Karam: Good luck with that. So they're all horrified. You guys cannot keep bringing Wendy's mother on TV and letting her spread whatever messiness she's going to spread and then act like such victims when anybody talks about what her mother says on the TV. Then stop bringing her on here. But you guys can't bring her on here and then act so offended when anybody just repeats what she says. Come on.

4:35Ben Mandelker: I actually am going to be a little sympathetic towards the situation. And the reason why is Wendy's mom was being a terror that day. And Wendy's mom was being so mean. And Wendy's mom was like really verbally berating her. I know we like talked about it. And there's like, you know, it's, it's a, it's not a black and white situation. But ultimately it was still her mother being like, Oh, Wendy, shut the fuck up. And it was, it was mean. Her mom was being mean to her. And so for Karen by her, I know Karen was just trying to be like clever and funny to be like, Oh, shut the fuck up, Wendy. but basically what she was saying is like doubling down like yes your mom should have told you to shut the fuck up i think that's how it landed which is why everyone was like i still loved it

5:16Ronnie Karam: because wendy brought her mother on tv that day to stump for her father who ditched the family and completely abandoned the mother so i say you know she had been pushing her mother over and over again on that and the mom was finally like shut the fuck up you're not going to get me on here and make me look like a bad guy for not being totally pro your dad when your dad is an abandoner low life like i'm not going to do it and fuck you you know now did she go a little far yes but that's your mother and you knew what you were doing when you brought her on tv and purposely poked at her so i think wendy did that to herself i say i think she was trying to pull a bronwyn and get some pity from having a mom who treats her like that but you poked her well andy is like well okay well that was

6:00Ben Mandelker: It's a very rough scene for her, much like prison will probably be. But are you both feeling betrayed? I think the Arpizandi says you're both feeling betrayed by the other for different reasons. Yes, yes, and I'm working with a pro. I'm working with a pro. And that's Raven, really. She's teaching me about vertical videos. Did you know that that's how you do it on Instagram?

6:22Ronnie Karam: Well, I guess we're not going to solve this one today. So let's move forward for the last five years. All right, let's have a Dr. Wendy clip. Okay, it's the Dr. Wendy segment. Let's just do Dr. Wendy, okay? So we see clips of them being happy and then starting Happy Eddie. And Happy Eddie is expanding. And then the house remodel. And then the mom blowing up on her. And then the arrest. And we come back and Giselle and Ashley and Kieran are just chatting. They're like, oh, my God. Just so over the storyline.

6:54Ben Mandelker: Angel, what did you mean when you said you hope justice is served? well I want justice to get to know me and once they do get to know me they'll see I'm a very bubbly effervescent person but I also hope that Wendy gets her day in court because for me it shocked me because of all the indictments of me from throughout the season and I had become a whipping boy of sorts because she was going through something privately that she wasn't sharing with the group and using me as a red herring so everyone in America it's nice to see that the real victim is Angel

7:30Ronnie Karam: a real victim in wendy's arrest angel yes so ashley's like well that's a reach wendy what are your initial reactions to hearing what some of the ladies had to say in that package because in the package that we see there you know they're talking about all the counts and joselle's like oh when the feds come for you they've got that case wrapped up tight girl you've got the degrees that was not a smart crime and tia's saying well nigerians are stigmatized as being scammers. We get a bad rep. Enough as it is. This wasn't fair to us. So Wendy's like, well, listen, going on the past three or four months have been hell.

8:08Ronnie Karam: So when you hit rock bottom, people's opinions of you don't pierce you anymore. Oh, I know. As someone who's hit rock bottom many, many times as an unalcoholic, I'm with you, Wendy.

8:21Ben Mandelker: All right. Giselle, Kay, and Ashley, you don't come across as exactly very concerned in that clip we just saw do you stand by everything you said and karen was like yeah i stand by everything i said in that clip and i was actually genuinely shocked when i heard about it because like when i think about wendy it's like a nice dynamic this season i felt like this was like something that when he already knew that she was going through and like a lot of relationships she basically does the same thing that um angel does which is like oh the reason why wendy was so mean to me this season is because she was going through it and so now it makes sense so yeah i I definitely get it because she wasn't because I had to be the person she took it all out on that because she was stressed because she was committing a crime.

9:00Ronnie Karam: No, Kierna, you came in going after Wendy all season for not saying hi to you as she was giving a speech on a stage. OK, and Angel jumped in. So I don't know what you two are trying to make up now, but it's not that deep. So Giselle's like, well, I do not feel like this was something that Wendy knew. Why? Because we worked hard to get to a good place. And of course, my heart goes out to your children. But I cannot remember whether or not you had the break in before or after the conversation. But you said Eddie paid all the bills and all that. So we see a clip of Wendy saying, oh, wow, guys, in 2024 saying, I don't know how to pay my mortgage.

9:34Ronnie Karam: I have no idea. Like, I don't even know when it's due. I don't know how my light company is paid. Like, I don't know. How do I do it?

9:41Ben Mandelker: I was going to say, I think this was like Giselle's way to be like, remember, you had this conversation. This is your way to sort of like Teresa Giudice it. Okay. Just play it on.

9:49Ronnie Karam: play dumb yeah you know but it kind of goes to kiana's point like you did all know this stuff was coming which is why you went on camera and tried to make it look like i have no idea about finances eddie does literally every single thing financially and of course i like wendy and so when

10:07Ben Mandelker: this happened i was like i don't want to say i was duped i want to say i was extremely disappointed and you'd only be disappointed if you believe the person's guilty and i'm not going to say that Wendy is guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty. I will just say I'm disappointed that she doesn't seem more innocent. Giselle's basically saying like, yeah, she did it, right? Like you're not disappointed if someone's innocent.

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12:55Ronnie Karam: Well, just a point of clarity. My home was broken into in 2024 and it was right before we started filming season yeah she really does do that baby thing like hardcore so she tells a story that we've all read if you've read about this she they went on vacation the daughter comes downstairs when they get back and says zoe made a mess and so we thought dog and she's like you know but we took our dogs to the doggy hotel how could they make a mess and then eddie went to see and came downstairs and said baby something happened and we called 9-1-1 and we reported a burglary and um there's a reason i'm saying this as it relates to case statement because that was in 2024 and fast forward to october 9th 2025 we get a knock at the door and they're like hey i'm the cop who you know came to check on your bur your burglary and she's like oh my god have you found the burglars and he said your house wasn't robbed

13:52Ben Mandelker: and like and then she's like i have to say i mean wendy is so convincing i was like oh my god she's this is an innocent lady and i was like oh yeah but there's like files and files of evidence there's like so much evidence it's so bad but she's very convincing to me i mean of course i also love she

14:06Ronnie Karam: didn't know i believe that she didn't know that they were gonna arrest her because that's kind of what they're talking about right like did wendy know that they were going to arrest her and that's why she was acting like she was setting up a case and acting like trying to get everybody against the other girls because she was trying to deflect from her own case i don't think that she knew that a case was happening i think that they were investigating her and that she thought she got away with it until they came to get her yeah so andy's like well karen um you just went to jail

14:35Ben Mandelker: what do you think she's like well first of all i wish your children the absolute best my heart goes out to them um also you know whatever you're going through i was hoping it would be dismissed because I need you to go home to your children. And remember how before I just told you to shut the fuck up and everyone gasped? Basically, my shade didn't really land right. Let me just recontextualize it so that way you actually see that I said it from a place of concern. I was like, okay, Karen. Because she's like, I took it out of context because what I wanted to say was I wouldn't say anything if I were you.

15:05Ben Mandelker: I was like, no, Karen, you were mad at her and you wanted her to shut up. And now you're acting like, no, you were giving her motherly advice. I tried to help. I was trying to coach you. You're shade bombed on stage. You're shade bombed and you're trying to fix it.

15:17Ronnie Karam: Yeah, she's like, well, I didn't want you to do what you just did. Because I wouldn't have answered anything on the stage today. You're talking too much, Wendy. I'm begging you. I'm begging you. I'm pleading with you. Stop talking. Do not talk. I don't want you to go to jail. And I'm begging you to stop interviewing. I'm begging you because I don't believe it's helping you. Now take it from the Karen you used to like. How about that? Remember her? Gold. Amazing. Because when you talk the way they watch, okay? And they hear you. And so I would have said respectfully, Andy, I can't answer those questions, and I worry about you.

15:51Ronnie Karam: And I worry about you talking and posing. Posing for pictures. Always in the pictures.

15:56Ben Mandelker: Okay, well, before I came out on stage here... No, no, let me finish.

16:00Ronnie Karam: I want you to know I wish you and Eddie the absolute best porridge in the mornings in prison.

16:08Ben Mandelker: I receive that. And prior to coming here, my legal counsel was informed that I would be here.

16:15Ronnie Karam: Good, good.

16:16Ben Mandelker: Yeah, thank you. And they are very aware of the line of questioning, and what I divulge right now is already public record.

16:23Ronnie Karam: Well, I'm just praying that everything you're saying is the truth because they can twist it and they can turn it and it won't be in your favor, and you've got to think about the kids. That's all I'm saying. I wouldn't even be here. I wouldn't even be here.

16:35Ben Mandelker: Well, it was public record, and I know that you were out of the public eye in jail for a few months there, So, Karen, I receive what you're saying. And I'm just saying it's public record. And it's even in the police report. And so I know what you're saying. But, like, you know, I know when to put the kibosh on it. Okay? I'm not an idiot. I know what I can say on TV. Thank you.

16:56Ronnie Karam: And Karen's like, listen to your lawyers. I just want you to listen to your – you didn't take the plea deal. What are you talking about? Karen coming out like she's an expert on things is absolutely hilarious. so um wendy's like well there's a silver lining in any situation you know my family's rallied around me my mom and my sister were the first people there they've already sold half of my closet and i'm not even gone yet you know and the way that eddie's family is rallied you know we've come together in a way that we were not together before so that's it's been great

17:28Ben Mandelker: oh well that's fun you know there's a few narratives that anyone who watched the show could latch onto theoretically i'm not saying that's what i'm saying i'm just saying someone might think this one of which is that you were taking care of your mom financially which is why you put yourself in a situation to commit a crime so maybe you want to blame it on your mom or one of which is that you and eddie were renovating your home so you could blame it on the home or maybe you were just dressing up so much from the show or putting an image together just to be fly on the show or maybe i mean there's so many ways this could go it just seems like you guys really had a lot of motivation to commit a big crime so how do you respond to that i like when andy is on

18:07Ronnie Karam: the um the black housewives shows like he's on the reunions and he's like wow were you doing it just to look fly like andy come on these allegations are whack do you ever just want to tell law enforcement to step off the curb you know what if you get off of these allegations i'll be the first one to say you go girl uh well it was reported she's like i don't respond people can have the narrative that's on them well it was reported you've got 67 credit cards wendy whoa multiple aliases pam oliver eddie hennessey she's like whoa whoa whoa well my legal counsel responded to that in court so they collected that well that just means that they said something in court doesn't mean it wasn't true um and she's like well uh those aliases were only used for packages and deliveries and there are no aliases which were used for any financial institution and that narrative was correct is she worried that like amazon is going to be like oh my god

19:13Ben Mandelker: yeah apparently i mean you know it's it's it is good to have some privacy if you're if you're famous. And you know, I mean, actually I will say, you know, she does a lot of talking head stuff on MSNBC, very liberal. So maybe there's like some fear of like a, maybe someone who's like a, like a right wing crazy, you know, like I think anyone who's talking about credit cards and

19:38Ronnie Karam: multiple aliases.

19:39Ben Mandelker: No, I'm just saying that's why I can imagine why she might have an alias for privacy. That's why, like, you know, I think anyone who's talking in the news could like open themselves up for maybe something crazy from someone on the other end of their political spectrum i'm just giving wendy a little bit of benefit of the doubt on this one um but uh yes 67 credit cards still doesn't make sense though i mean alias i can come up with 67 credit cards

20:06Ronnie Karam: i don't know well it was also reported that prosecutors claim you have very little money and are in a substantial debt by the way it says that about 97 of housewives she's like well i respect the legal system and if that's their opinion then that's their opinion oh okay all right well Siv from Liz says uh how has all of this impacted your marriage and she's like well absolutely you know you hit walk bottom I'm with you girl I've been there yes and um you know it tests your marriage but when you both hit walk bottom at the same time you're in the doubles date on legal seafood time. Am I right, girl?

20:47Ronnie Karam: So, yeah, it's hard. It's like two oyster crackers at the bottom of the chowder bowl. I get it. Well, as a parent, by the way, I haven't reminded anybody today. I'm a dad. I'm a dad. So, I get it. You know, it's got to be really hard. Like, your first thought has to be who would look after your kids? Is John Mayer free?

21:09Ben Mandelker: I mean, I think it's gotta be ivy right isn't that her sister ivy it's ivy right um but it's like i feel like it's like you know ivy's gonna be like well here i am again i've got to be the one to take on all these children thanks a lot wendy um so wendy's like i pray that we don't get there all right well listen giselle set it on tape and i think all of us who care about you we're worried because the case they're presenting doesn't look good like what would you say to us or to me about that tell us about the case well i would say ashley never looks good and you still have who on the show case dismissed let's just see how it plays out you know i'm like okay well thanks wendy of course we're gonna see how it plays out we we've been to court and some of what has been presented has been corrected and i'm not here to please the media as far as objecting to every headline that's written about me so we're just gonna play it out in the in the in the legal system like well you

22:09Ronnie Karam: You know, it just stands out to me that you're such a great housewife. I mean, you've been an exemplary role model. You've led with your education. You've led with your love of family, your culture, your faith. She's like, yeah. And I think that's why for me and a lot of viewers, we're like, whoa, this is hilarious. Wendy was arrested for fraud.

22:30Ben Mandelker: Would you like to cry now? I just want to remind everyone, Happy and Ness have never looked better. Your hair looks great. You're so smart. you're so wonderful are you crying yet please cry should i tell everyone about how he hugged at bravo con come on let those tears roll let's have a moment so she talks about how

22:49Ronnie Karam: she loves andy and he hugged her at bravo con and he hugged every part of me i didn't it's like you didn't want to let go so thank you andy yeah um okay so they have a great hug um you hugged every part of me every part so karen what do you think uh what's your advice and she's like well first of all we are phenomenal black women who are not alcoholics and she's like amen sister and my prayers are with you and your family adversity are always faced in life and i know you'll rise hey that's my line and i pray you'll never know what it's like to have your liberties taken away from you as they were me there is another side it won't break you and if You get real with yourself.

23:33Ronnie Karam: You'll be a better version of yourself. Thank you. Absolutely. This has been Karen, the book of Karen. Thank you very much. Commercials. Here comes one right now.

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24:24Ben Mandelker: Any final words? For the reunion? No, probably for the next few years. Oh, well, I'm not on the other side of it yet, but when you're in that valley, you see a side of yourself that you've never seen before, and it builds humility, and it builds strength. And even though I'm not out of the storm, I'm already a better woman for being in the storm, and I'm forever grateful for that. I love being in storms. All right, okay. Well, Karen and Monique. I love being in storms.

24:51Ronnie Karam: I've learned always have a wing coat, because storms. I love storms.

24:56Ben Mandelker: it's a very nice little thing that said nothing she's really good about speaking a lot and saying nothing which is uh i think she learned that from karen yep politician speaks she's been in politics

25:09Ronnie Karam: for a long time so um and he's like oh hey karen and monique i mentioned sorry what nothing i'm just gonna say it's been 10 years yeah it's been a milestone you guys have been instrumental in the success of this series and i want to acknowledge that before we let you go to prison so thank you both and it's great to see both of you especially in the place that you're in at your life what a beautiful thing thank you monique's like um i'm not going to prison well you know time's a ticking we'll see it seems to be going around okay so then people get their break and karen and giselle hug

25:51Ben Mandelker: and Eddie comes up and kisses Wendy and he's like, hey, buddy. And, you know, everyone gets up to hug Karen except for Wendy. Wendy stays seated.

26:01Ronnie Karam: And I love this moment

26:03Ben Mandelker: when they come back from break and Kierna's, the train on her dress is like taking up all the space and Angel goes, Kierna, my feet need some room from your dress. And Kierna like lifts up like one little flap and like moves it over like an inch and then just like puts it back down. Like does not like do anything for Angel. Angel's like, oh, okay. angel should have just kicked that shit over that's so rude step on it step on it so they're

26:27Ronnie Karam: like where's giselle's packages and she goes yeah where's me yeah what do they what do you want them to put in giselle you didn't do anything all season except fuck with other people what do you want them where you're just dancing around your house by yourself and laying on your bed

26:40Ben Mandelker: and saying wow my children are gone now i think that the fact that they kept that commentary in because i don't know if necessarily we would have noticed it some people may have noticed it Giselle had a moment, by the way. She definitely had a moment on the show of like an episode or two ago where they talked about the will, her dad, her daughters, everything like that. But it was funny that they didn't have a clip package for her. And the fact that they kept that in there, I feel like was a sign that they were, a message they were giving to Giselle to say, you need to, like, yes, you are a legend on the show and you're very funny and you're shady and you stir the pot, but you need to start like doing more because we're highlighting it.

27:19Ben Mandelker: we're calling you out now in front of the audience. So she's like, Hey, uh, so where's my package? Yeah.

27:28Ronnie Karam: Like do something, Giselle, especially when she says, you know, at the end there, she's talking. Oh yeah, no, well, we'll get to it. But, um, yeah. So now it's like, what did you learn this season? Okay. Let's start with the newbies angel. She's like, well, I've learned that being Zen and calm doesn't mean that you need to skip over things that bother you. and, you know, I just can't wait for this group of ladies to really get to know me because I really feel like when they get to know me, they're really going to like me. I know.

27:59Ben Mandelker: All right, Tia, my biggest takeaway is that I can be quite naive in some situations and say things and not really think about the damage it can cause to somebody else. And when those people are damaged, namely my children, I just laugh and laugh and laugh and laugh.

28:12Ronnie Karam: I've also learned that sometimes it's good to just go knock on the door And say I used to live in this home Because people will generally take you in And sometimes give you a cookie

28:26Ben Mandelker: Kearna Well this particular day Reminds me that we do more things in common Than not I just want to remind myself To put myself in someone else's shoes The shoes of someone who Really loves picture frames And loves gazing out at a highway

28:41Ronnie Karam: From her balcony Oh I'm supposed to be my shoes Wait a minute I'm in my own shoes Ashley? Well, I'll piggyback, Kay. I've always looked at this group as a sisterhood. You know, you guys have really been there for me. And I think that maybe I've started to not be a sisterly. So maybe I'll lean more into my sisterly side with this group of late. Oh, okay. Okay. Giselle? Well, since I just realized you all didn't give me a package, I'll just give you a little synopsis about what's going on in my life. My children are great. One of them is a manager at Arizona's now. And one became a member of my sorority.

29:17Ronnie Karam: So the legacy continues. Alpha, alpha, alpha, kappa, kappa, kappa, incorporated. Alpha, delta, delta. So get into it. Now I've been dating a lot. Yes. Sorry.

29:31Ben Mandelker: I thought you reached a period. I apologize. No, that all works. Go for it. Sorry. I've been dating a lot. But moving forward. I'm looking forward to more quality. So I'm looking forward to quality in 2026. I'm looking to new business endeavors, which I will share with the world as they come. And yes, thank you for not giving me a package. I really appreciate that. I feel like a customer on the estimated arrival day for FedEx Ground. No package. No package here.

30:02Ronnie Karam: Those Girl Scout cookies are not coming, Ronnie. Okay, Giselle, so if you've been dating a lot, then put it on the show and you might have a package. But dating and just not telling anybody anything and just coming on and just trying to ruin everybody else for for a sport is not enough give something although Giselle was accused for years and years of hiring men to be her boyfriend on this show and I think she's just like fine I won't hire anybody else then save myself so many

30:28Ben Mandelker: I actually have a controversial very controversial this will be a real issue in the midterm elections a controversial take which is that I actually don't always need my housewives to have like a fully fleshed out storyline if they are contributing to the overall storyline of the group and i know that like with a friend of their role is to contribute but we don't care about their personal lives but like you know this actually you know rena's been in the news a lot lately and uh so i think of rena i think of like when rena was on beverly hills initially and people complained that all rena did was stir shit up with other people but like her personal life was like not that interesting and who cares like where's your personal story i really am of the mindset like Like, I'm most interested in the group dynamics of these shows.

31:16Ben Mandelker: And if someone is helping move that forward and is playing an essential role with that, but we don't see that much of their life, I'm actually really okay with it, to be honest.

31:24Ronnie Karam: You know, I vary. It depends on who we're talking about. I don't need to see Giselle's life. Like, I'm not somebody who's really requesting more scenes about Giselle. But, you know, I think it's the fact that Giselle purposely comes on and just fucks with people for no reason. Like she doesn't even have anything real. Like I don't even believe half the shit she comes on with. The stuff she comes on with to use against other people is even real half the time. Like the Stacey stuff. Like she's trying way too hard to catch Stacey and some crazy TJ paid you to do something. You know, it's always some nonsense.

31:59Ronnie Karam: And I think that she's trying really hard to turn the focus on everybody else instead of having anything going on in her own life. And so I think that's why it bothers me with Giselle. And then to complain like that you don't have a package is just silly. You don't do anything to get a package.

32:15Ben Mandelker: You know, I do. I do think Giselle is very guarded. I think, I guess for me, the reason why Giselle gets away with it is I find her to be very funny. And like, if she was funny, it's like,

32:24Ronnie Karam: if you know,

32:25Ben Mandelker: yeah. Like with Erica Jane, I often am like, I'm like, you don't give us anything, which this past episode on Beverly Hills, she was actually extremely emotionally raw about what's going on in her life. But in terms of like, we never really see who her real friends are, yada, yada, yada. I've complained for years and it's funny cause I'm sitting here saying like, Oh, I don't necessarily need to see your life. But I think that like, if you offer something like you stir the pot or you're funny or you sort of hot actually, I think if you have to stir the pot and be funny, which I felt like Rinna was, I feel like Giselle is I'm more forgiving.

32:56Ben Mandelker: I do agree. Giselle does not give herself over very much. And it is funny. And then she's like shocked that she doesn't get a package where someone like erica jane is like part of this camp of like you need to be open and honest be honest be honest and yet doesn't show any of her life that's where i get more frustrated but i would say you know

33:15Ronnie Karam: where we're talking about how it varies for different people right because like erica erica's stuff with tom was crazy like seeing her life with tom and all the glam and all the you know when she would tour around and do the concerts or whatever those were so weird and the gay bars that tom would pay to feature her or whatever those were weird and then there was time you know then she went through all of the um scandal stuff so they showed that her crying a lot so she she has had a lot of personal story years i think that erica you know is actually best as she is now which is not really having that much of a storyline and just commenting on everybody else's stuff i think she's found kind of her new groove in that way where she's just there being like this is all fucking stupid you know she doesn't really because new groove yeah erica got her groove back in a way i think this is like a good groove for her actually so i think some people it works for and some people it doesn't you know yeah but either way it was

34:10Ben Mandelker: no matter how i feel about giselle it was hilarious that she didn't get a package and then she was really upset about it and then when she tries to sort of wedge in her package it shows why she get a package because it's like okay so her daughter joined alpha you know aka which is great i have some great friends that's not your story though you know i know it's like exactly it's like okay her children are great great great that's okay like what else i mean did you did you see any movies recently have you cooked cookies okay give us something okay renna has the best pr people

34:46Ronnie Karam: of all time, by the way. She is in, she's literally like five stories a day are popping up about her because she was on the trailer. I mean, she is really working that. It's crazy. And her book came out. So she's doing publicity for that too. And that book, I don't know if you guys have read any pieces of it. It is taking zero responsibility. I mean, it is so delusional. I mean, the font really speaks to her mind. It's just like crazy font. It's like Looney Tunes font, you know it's cuckoo and she takes no responsibility and is still completely delusional about how everything went down and she blames the fans for everything she's like i don't have any problem with the housewives my problem was with the fans they're what ruined it for me and they're trying to make me out to be some villain and i was never a villain it was all the fans who did it and that nasty toxic fandom which we can be as a fandom i'll say you can't have that right but also come on you did that to yourself girl now come on yeah she did you know what it was i think we all

35:42Ben Mandelker: responded to rinna sort of losing an authenticity about herself on the show like we know there's like a rinna that we know and love we saw it was back full force on the traders that's like we love that rinna it was the rinna that we had for many years but we saw rinna who then got caught up in length of kyle and dorit and erica thing and she just tried to she was honestly i really feel like Rinna started to just try to be cool and try to be in with them and her just her vibe just

36:09Ronnie Karam: changed and she just don't blame us when she yeah she got with Erica they teamed up and they just started trying to do the take people down thing and like doing the vlogs and the you know finding everybody's gossip and coming out with you know that's when it started going downhill don't blame

36:24Ben Mandelker: us geez we respond to things we understand things and ultimately I think the Bravo fandom loves our bravo liberties and when i think when we we get angry when we feel like on some level you have betrayed the pact that we have with you which is that you're going to be you and we're going to be entertained by you and the moment you're producing and the moment you're sort of like doing stuff that's like really not authentic to the show or to yourself you're kind of breaking the pact that we have and and we get upset and we pick and we sniff it out we're sophisticated. Viewers of reality TV are sophisticated and it gets, the genre gets accused of being like lowest of the lowest common denominator.

37:06Ben Mandelker: It's not. And we are sophisticated viewers and we understand things and we understand what we watch and we know and you can't bamboozle us. So, well said.

37:16Ronnie Karam: Well said. All right. Stacy, what about you?

37:20Ben Mandelker: Giselle's package became about Lisa Ritta.

37:23Ronnie Karam: That just shows. That shows how much you brought this season, Giselle. but i love stacy's like well i want to continue to be me and not change and i want to say exactly the way that i am and also i want to be more direct so that there aren't any misunderstandings within this group and that's something i'd like to work on moving forward but ultimately i'd like

37:45Ben Mandelker: to stay amazing all right wendy well i think in this new chapter of my life i want to lead with kindness because whether we say it or not we're all going through something and the women were actually very kind to me oh you thought that'd be tough on you yeah i thought that'd be tougher and you know people reached out monique has actually been a real champion for me and my children she basically says everyone's been nice and she even goes and that includes you old bunion feet ashley oh yeah well i do love you too and i hope you know i want the best for

38:17Ronnie Karam: you wendy you know i was petty and i can acknowledge that but that's not where my heart is this is where my heart is. Strumming my pain with your finger. Okay, okay, okay. That's enough of that. Thank you. I mean, she's the one

38:32Ben Mandelker: who should be locked up.

38:34Ronnie Karam: All right, well,

38:36Ben Mandelker: we're... That's noise pollution.

38:37Ronnie Karam: We don't do anything about that in this country?

38:41Ben Mandelker: To celebrate 10 years? Well, should we really be making fun of Wendy's prison term? No, Karen from Backstage. We're going to celebrate 10 years of Potomac. Champagne, everyone. Oh, my gosh.

38:56Ronnie Karam: It's really coming. And so they bring them all like a tiny bit of champagne. It's like, come on, guys. What's our budget today? Are we all sharing one bottle? What the hell?

39:06Ben Mandelker: And Andy goes, thank you for 10 brilliant seasons. Let's take a selfie, which I will heavily filter, Angel. Remember, catfish? Catfish? Catfish? You know what? Angel's like, Wendy, stop saying that.

39:21Ronnie Karam: I'd like Luanne to come bring out a snack for Angel It is a catfish suckering the end of her hand Straight from Crappy Lake

39:34Ben Mandelker: So that was another season of Potomac

39:37Ronnie Karam: You know, it was a good season It was definitely I don't think it was the best But it was very good And it was a lot better than the past couple of years have been So congrats, Potomac, on finding your footing Because, God, I was worried there for a while I was really glad to have this show back.

39:51Ben Mandelker: I feel like it's a hundred percent back in it's, you know, like that's pre for lack of a better word, pre NECA season. I don't like blaming. It's not NECA's fault. I'm just like, that's the way I can.

40:03Ronnie Karam: That was the year.

40:04Ben Mandelker: Yeah. That was the year when things suddenly went terribly wrong. So I feel like the show is really, it's, it's, I love it.

40:10Ronnie Karam: The last amazing season, I think was, cause there were, there were like five right in a row that were just amazing. Well, two through, whatever it was when um what was their last amazing season when mia came on and it was the uh oh really hot box and yo george hampton university that was the last excellent one right yeah

40:35Ben Mandelker: i can't remember which is which is my favorite one um because i agree there for me i think that

40:43Ronnie Karam: was the last like excellent one and then it fell into crazy like it fell off so bad i felt so bad for the show and then it was like the michael darby came back this year for sure yeah there

40:53Ben Mandelker: was the michael darby um you know hands like handsy season there was wendy's first season which was really good but like it's hard to i would have to like sit back and look to see the

41:03Ronnie Karam: best i don't know the best i'm just saying this is the best since that one that was the last best one if that makes any sense i think but how many seasons did mia have on this show did she do

41:13Ben Mandelker: two or three i think she had four maybe three or four i don't know okay then mia i think that

41:19Ronnie Karam: a couple of the seasons i could be i were really good i could be wrong yeah i think the first like

41:23Ben Mandelker: two seasons with me were good but i i don't know like i do think that mia was not ultimately a good thing for the show because i thought she was really entertaining and really great at first but i think ultimately the show has been as she's gone and the show suddenly got so much better so do with it as you wish but with that being said love it

41:49Ronnie Karam: yeah love it great season thank you to everybody who is with us this season hopefully we'll see you on another soon we'll miss you alright everybody thanks so much for being here we'll talk to you next time

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