#3243: Summer House S10E5: Rein There Done That

0:00What happens when there's so much that happens?

0:21Ronnie Karam: Well, hello and welcome to What What Crappens. I'm Ronnie. That's Ben. Hello, Benoom. Hi, Ronnie.

0:28Ben Mandelker: How's it going?

0:30Ronnie Karam: Good. Everybody, welcome to Summerhausen Day. Before we get started, you have like a week and a half to get tickets for the Golden Crappies live stream restream. It's up now. You can get tickets at WatchUpCrappens.com. It was such a fun show. Watch it. It will be released as audio, but the video is not going to be released on Crappens On Demand and all that. So this is it. It's the last time. Go get it.

1:00Ben Mandelker: It's your chance to see Ronnie brandishing a keytar. Okay. And Ben singing as Ramona. That's right. Me barely avoiding tearing my Achilles as I ride around on that stage.

1:14Ronnie Karam: Last night, my dad said, what was the song Ben was singing? Did he write that? And I said, yes. Well, he wrote the words. He said, but what's the song? I said, it's from Chapel Rhone. And he said, who's that? And I said, it's a song called Pink Pony Club. He said, I'm going to look that up. I really enjoyed it. Oh, thank you. Did you tell Ben he should upload it? And I said, yeah, but I don't know if Chapel Rhone will like that. He said, who's Chapel Rhone? Said the one he wrote the song. Hello. It was a circular conversation, but you came out really good in it.

1:45Ben Mandelker: Thank you. As did you. And speaking of your dad, like shout out to our parents. We had our parents present the award for best quote. And it was like a big video up on the screen. So if you want to see what our parents look like. It's so good. Just for that alone.

2:01Ronnie Karam: My dad said, wow, Ben's parents looked so good. I mean, I need to figure out how to make us look better because we were just like staring from way above. I said, no, I like that. That's why I kept it like that. I said, I could have been like Ben and made sure he looked really good. I said, but I liked it because that's how you talk to me on FaceTime. He's like, okay, well, Ben, tell Ben to shoot us next time.

2:24Ben Mandelker: Well, my parents loved your parents. My dad was like, oh, they were so funny. i was like i was like i know i gave we gave like ronnie's parents all the like the really funny lines but they were just so funny and my dad's like no no you should have they were so funny

2:37Ronnie Karam: they were great they were so well if you're gonna get someone to call anyone else a gout dick sucker ronda's the way to go ronda is the path for sure the best was how she was like it looked like she

2:48Ben Mandelker: was cold reading it right like she had never seen the quote before so like the look on her face as she realized the words that you had given her to recite. She's like, gout, dick sucker.

2:59Ronnie Karam: They literally asked me that after that, they were like, do you get gout in your dick and I say, or in your penis. And I said, no, I don't think so. It's just what she called him. And my dad said, well, that's good. Cause I have gout. I was starting to worry.

3:14Ben Mandelker: Well, it was a great, like, obviously like, you know, it was great having them on there. And I loved that the audience got to finally see the people behind us. Cause like Lord knows we've talked about our parents, especially you over the past 14 years. So it was like really special to put them up there on that screen. So for sure, get that kids we stream. And also, by the way, I'm just going to say this. It looked so good. It looked like we were like streaming on Netflix or something like that. Like I was like, what the hell? I was like, we've never looked at this professional. I was like, are we, this is amazing.

3:48Ben Mandelker: so I was very excited by it and we will have a

3:53Ronnie Karam: newsletter coming out tomorrow like a special free midweek newsletter on the road to the crappies just kind of our backstage experience getting that together because it was really really fun so check that out over on Patreon all the newsletters are free Patreon is also where you get videos of our shows ad free listening and bonus episodes I wrote like a novel I apologize in advance I love it that's what it's for yeah that's what it's for let's do it um okay everybody let's get into this it is summer house season 10 episode 5 summer nights but spelled k-n-i-g-a because who doesn't love a ren fair is gonna be the most epic party of all of summer house

4:38Ben Mandelker: can you mind if i call it a soft fair i'll have some mead please i'm not sorry it's called a renasoft fair

4:51Ben Mandelker: it's gonna be a great time the renaissance fair so everyone's getting ready and sierra and me are hanging out and sierra's saying how her boobs are hanging out and um and she's like yeah when you're when you're talking about your ass not fitting in shit i'm nothing but sympathetic so they're like joking by the way i love mia i think mia fits mia feels like she's been there for three years she's so like at ease with this whole cast, the way she just sort of has stepped in and it feels like she's always been there. I think she's a fantastic casting choice. Good job, Bravo.

5:23Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I think she's pretty good. I mean, she hasn't done much yet. You, you haven't, you don't really know until someone gets into their first argument with someone like that. You have to test their mettle, but yeah, so far I like, I like everybody so far. Actually, I think everybody's doing a good job. I think Bailey is veering into theater kid territory, especially today with their wacky, like, we're going to pretend to be a bush. A little with the full-on clown music for 10 minutes. It's like, okay, it's like a little theater kid got on TV, but I still like her. Because it is a true theater kid where you like the really hot guy, but then no matter what you do, the hot guy doesn't even see you.

6:01Ronnie Karam: I know. Even if you're gorgeous. So it's very theater kid, and I am a theater kid. So, you know, I'm rooting for one of our own.

6:07Ben Mandelker: Yeah, exactly. so Jesse comes walking into Sierra's room dressed as a king and Sierra's like saying he's got to like get rid of his cape or whatever and then Amanda she's decided for this Ren Faire she's going to wear a goat face and she's like I'm a bad girl it looks like I have a dick on my face

6:32Ronnie Karam: I can't see a dick on your face I can't see it So then Jesse's putting on a towel like a cape. And West is lying in his bed with the Sierra cut out just standing next to him. They're trying to make it like West is super jealous every time he hears Jesse in the hallway talking to Sierra. But he's just kind of looking at the side, you know, scrolling through his phone. But they keep playing like music like he's super jealous. I think West is really, I mean, I know that they're trying to play this up. I think West is just too lazy to be jealous. I don't really think he cares that much.

7:07Ben Mandelker: Well, he's definitely too lazy to be confrontational because last week he confronted Jesse about asking to make out with Sierra and he was like, oh, the guy said that's weird. So he couldn't even say that he thought it was weird. And then this episode, he just has Lacey.

7:24Ronnie Karam: Ben's really mad at you about it. Wow, Ben really thought that was weird. Whoa, Ben, the hottest guy in the house.

7:31Ben Mandelker: Pretty upset. kj told me he doesn't know what it's if he's going to be able to not be a lover boy this summer and also he's upset at you i don't know just his words kj was really uncomfortable with

7:46Ronnie Karam: you saying that also he's uncomfortable not being a lover boy so what um are kj's abs implants because those abs are too insane and i've only seen ab implants on like older guys we saw a lot them in miami everywhere we passed i was like those are apple implants look because ben was like i have implants it's like yeah guys like boob jobs for dudes so i kept trying to point him out to ben that was that was what i was looking for at that food so i don't think his

8:16Ben Mandelker: abs are implants i think though sometimes there is like a thing that like if you your ab exercises i think almost like in an incorrect way or whatever you develop your abs but they sort of develop sort of like convex instead of concave or maybe it's the other way around and so they sort of they sort of bulge out on him a little bit in a way that's like we don't normally see um but i

8:38Ronnie Karam: think that they are real well they're a work of art i mean whoever did them whether he did them god did him you know uh a person from the fx show fx or whatever that show was whoever did them And they look great. Those are crazy abs. But even when his stomach's out and he looks like a little beer bellied, and by that I just mean pushing his stomach out or whatever, they're still there. I don't know. I'm just confused by the abs. But great job. I mean, I've never had abs, so I just don't understand how they work. So when I see them that intense, I'm like, wow, is that a thing that people do? You know?

9:17Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I guess so.

9:18Ben Mandelker: He's really got it all, huh? um he also has a lot of lip gloss on in his confessionals and that oh speaking of I need to put some lip peeling on you go get it on Ronnie I'm kind of like the abs are amazing but then the

9:32Ronnie Karam: lip gloss pulls me back you know you don't like lip gloss well I don't mind if people have like

9:38Ben Mandelker: you know their standard amount like what you just did that's fine but there's sometimes people put lip gloss on and their lips are so shiny it's like something I just I just don't like it you know and I know that I'm not necessarily majority. I think it's actually considered like nice to have shiny lips.

9:52Ronnie Karam: I think it's like, I love a nice shine, a nice little lip shine.

9:56Ben Mandelker: I don't like to see someone and they look like they just made out with a jar of Vaseline. I don't know. This is like not my vibe, but that's just a, that's a taste thing. It's a personal thing. You're like, it's just, you know, it's just me. It doesn't mean that it has to be that way for everyone else. One time, someone, I mentioned this once a few years ago and someone was like, man, I threw out oh my lip gloss just for you and i was like no no no don't throw out your lip gloss for me you keep doing what you're doing i'm just saying i just don't like it's like it's like i've always not liked it like school plays um when they have to put like lipstick on your lips you know for the stage i've always hated it i don't know what it is i don't like shit on lips yeah um i love lip

10:35Ronnie Karam: gloss but i respect your opinion i respect your wrong opinion but also your lips right now i can see them they don't look like they are you know like the they don't look like there's some sort of cake topping you know when they like make the the fruits all shiny and everything like

10:54Ben Mandelker: your lips look normal you know they're just sort of lubricate lubricated up but they're not out of control i just don't want to see a reflection of the lights in your lips you know okay yeah fair

11:04Ronnie Karam: okay is there anything else you want to nitpick about kj before we move on no i i think generally

11:10Ben Mandelker: I'm fine. Is there anything you want? Anything on your end?

11:15Ronnie Karam: That was just funny. KJ is like the least offensive person, I think. The least offensive guy to be on the show in a long time. We're like, abs, real or not, lip gloss gotta go. Lip gloss, what do we think? That's every little thing about KJ.

11:30Ben Mandelker: Just tear him apart. But the point is actually that West is very passive here. And so when you said, I think he's not really jealous, part of me feels like he's just going to ask someone else to be jealous for him because he doesn't want to do it

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14:20Ben Mandelker: We've got Benjamin all the way from Australia. Hey, I'll show you. It looked great, by the way. I love all your Sheilas. KJ from Kansas City. KJ from KC. See what I did there? Justice Almond from Chicago, Illinois. It's great, guys. This announcing is going so great.

14:40Ronnie Karam: Amanda Petula all the way from New Jersey. She's like, all the way. Amanda missing it. So everybody comes down, and Bailey's like, oh my god do i look like someone from lord of the rings kind of ben says better and she's like oh my gosh thank you but you know i mean let's think of the cast of lord of the rings it's not saying you look better than 80 of that cast is still like a what the did you mean by that ben's like you you

15:08Ben Mandelker: do look like someone from lord of the rings kind of like when frodo puts on that ring oh my god Wasn't he invisible when he did that? Precisely Who's talking to me?

15:18Ronnie Karam: You look like someone from Lord of the Rings Hobbitland Or whatever that one was called The Hobbit So Lindsay comes downstairs And of course is dressed like a queen And Carl's still stuck there And he's like, oh shit I have to announce how to bow You look great by the way I did it I did it He's like, you have to bow because I'm a queen, Carl And so he bows and he's like, oh my god We're friends now Me and Lindsay are like friends. Oh my god, I can't believe it.

15:46Ben Mandelker: Oh my god. She's in the mix. Do you see the smile on my face? Me and Lindsay are like friends again. Like, a little bit. Let's go. Saturdays are for the boys. Put your weight on me.

15:58Ronnie Karam: The last thing I care about is Carl. And I don't give a fuck about Carl. So let's just have fun. I'm gonna be nice to Carl. I don't even care.

16:06Ben Mandelker: And Sierra does the thing. She's dressed as a plague rat. because sierra every year she as as the bombshell that she is she always puts on a costume that completely obscures her which i think is so funny so this year she is a giant rat and she's going to spread she's like i'm here to spread the bubonic plague like it's not gonna be the first thing that was spread around this house that's for sure i was gonna say you're sharing a house

16:35Ronnie Karam: with West and Jesse. So somehow the bubonic plague sounds like a cold. She's like, yeah, this is my primordial pouch right here. So she said it was either that or dressing as a turkey leg. But then Carl said he was getting turkey legs. So I came as a rat.

16:52Ben Mandelker: I would have preferred the turkey leg. Is there even such a thing as a turkey leg costume? I think that would have been amazing. I'm sure.

16:59Ronnie Karam: So now the guests start arriving. And Sierra's, you know, sexy dancing as a rat, of course. And Jesse's like, whoa, I'm going to film this. I'm writing a song about someone. I'm not going to tell you what it's about, but it's about being a rat carrying a bubonic flag.

17:17Ben Mandelker: Bailey's like, oh, my Lord, I do not remember this in medieval times. I don't whatsoever. Kyle's like, oh, Jesse, does this do this for you? So they're just, like, gallivanting. You know, it's party times. We're all doing crazy stuff. and Lindsay goes up to Wes and he's like, Wes, what were you and Jesse talking about in the pool? And he's like, um, the Sierra thing, cause I truly think that she'd like laugh in his face for saying that. Would you agree, right? Like Sierra, she's like known for being pretty chill when guys talk about her behind her back, right? Like she'll probably laugh about it.

17:54Ben Mandelker: She's like, um, I don't know about that.

17:56Ronnie Karam: For those of you who weren't here, it's because um he was like hey can i have permission to make out with sierra so he's like yeah sierra would just laugh in his face and lindsey goes um i don't know and he's like wait well maybe i'm wrong then you think that sierra likes jazzy and she's like well i mean does sierra even know that and like what the hell he's like well i don't think she knows but like it's not my place it sure is your place though queen lindsey go fight my battles for me

18:27Ben Mandelker: yeah she's like i've missed like the first two weeks of this show so i gotta catch up so i'll serve some shit around sure it'll be me she's like is it my place it's like probably actually of all the people whose places is yours it's your it's you're the least place it's the you're it's the least of your place because you weren't part of that original conversation uh if anything west

18:50Ronnie Karam: is an absolute gigantic wuss. I almost said mega wuss, but that turned into MAGA, and I'm not accusing him of that, but he's a mega, mega wuss, and he's never going to do anything himself. He's never going to tell anybody he likes them by himself. He's never going to tell anybody he doesn't like them by himself. He's always going to rely on other people to do everything for him. It's a very, very lazy person, this guy.

19:16Ben Mandelker: That is exactly correct. so he is like thrilled clearly that Lindsay's gonna take this and bring it to Sierra and Wes knows that Sierra's gonna get mad at Jesse but he says on camera no she's gonna laugh because it makes it seem like he's supporting Jesse so it's a big old passive clusterfuck and we know that when Lindsay tells Sierra it's not gonna land well ever yeah she has lots of like um she has a lot of boundaries around this kind of stuff and she has she's we just know it's gonna be

19:52Ronnie Karam: a show and guess what i didn't i didn't see it becoming as much of a drama as it became but i mean i don't know i agree i don't understand how anybody would care this much to like run off crying like oh my god someone wants to make out with me oh when she explained it later in the episode i got it a little more but i was still like you're crying over jesse yeah i mean i thought the extent

20:18Ben Mandelker: of it was just going to be like um like uh this is so typical they're talking about who gets dibs on me but no one's actually coming to me which i thought okay i thought it'd be like that but she actually was what was interesting was it was the jokey part of it because jesse said hey you mind if i make out with sierra you know like in a jokey way which i think was jesse's way of like softening it for west but that term jokey wound up being the real bee in the bonnet for sierra and that became the thing and that's what i was not expecting yeah so um amanda is partying and

20:52Ronnie Karam: she's dancing on the ground uh with sierra and she's eating grass and kyle's like oh my god she's just she just ate grass and i said that's sexy you know watching amanda reminds me of what attracted me to her in the first place you know she had a great sense of humor she's fun to be around it's gonna be a good summer turn this thing around you like amanda because she's wasted right now and that's the only time you like amanda and last year when you're like oh my god me and amanda we're finally back on track it's when amanda would go out and party with you all night

21:21Ben Mandelker: yeah and i also love when he's like yeah amanda she's so fun to be around which is why i go out of my way to not be around her um like like you know you're the one who's not spending the time

21:34Ronnie Karam: around her when you're saying she's fun to be around when she's partying he doesn't want to be around when she's home watching netflix scrolling her phone you know yeah so ben is

21:43Ben Mandelker: talking to a lady and she's like what do you have under that cloak he's like not much and then west

21:49Ronnie Karam: and ben are talking wherever the guy goes i mean the guy just can't escape it he's just making small talk and some randos like what do you got under that cloak big boy he's like jesus christ is anybody gonna ask me what i'm reading i'm not totally sold on ben i'm gonna say that

22:06Ben Mandelker: yeah he's cute but i feel like we have not seen much of him yet so i don't know he's the one of the newbies he's the one that i feel like is the most disposable believe it or not yeah uh so then

22:20Ronnie Karam: we go over to west and ben and uh they're talking about all the chicks the party brah and ben is asking about Dara and she's on the way and West asks if he's interested and Ben's like, yeah, she's cool, I guess. I mean, I met Dara in the singles event and we had a little chat for a minute. Let's do a flashback and see this fascinating chat. She's like, so do you still model? He's like, yeah. It's one of the only jobs that everyone, you know, at the end of the work, everyone claps at the end of the work day and I love that. She's like, yeah, well, I'm a show pony. I love applause, you know, I love that.

22:54Ronnie Karam: Big show pony. Huge. applaud me do it now fuck every your hand's broken every performer on broadway is furious at him

23:03Ben Mandelker: excuse you i memorize these lines for come from away

23:13Ronnie Karam: i didn't know that about models that people applaud you at the end of the day

23:16Ben Mandelker: i don't that by the way that's i don't think that's necessarily true but i love that he's so hot that either a it does happen or b he just imagines it happens because i do also think models just assume they're being applauded everywhere they go it's like hello they had long to make a deposit at this bank it's for me so uh he's like yeah at the singles event i was a mess

23:41Ronnie Karam: i didn't know what was going on let's have a clip of me looking like a mess and it just got him like hey i'm hot still people were talking to me the whole party's a blur you know i thought can we please stop talking about please and anyway i'm just looking forward to see dara in a situation where it doesn't feel so forced you know nothing feels as unforced as a summer house party which happened every single weekend in the back house of this set i know from 2 p.m to 7 p.m with a crazy over the top theme with people that we don't even know at this point i mean who even comes to these parties anymore they're every single week every summer at this point i think they have like 20 people there and they're like hi are you guys serving food this time i feel like those parties seem so annoying because like i mean it's cool you get like free booze and everything but you

24:33Ben Mandelker: just have so many people just like running around and crashing into each other there's just always so much like frenetic energy or even kinetic energy there's just like there's too many things At the end of the episode, at the end of the party, we saw there was an inflatable tavern area, and it was toppled over on itself. And I'm like, I don't want to go to a party where there's an inflatable house that falls forward. Safety.

24:56Ronnie Karam: Safety. Where are the unions at this party?

24:59Ben Mandelker: People were too rowdy. That's what it means.

25:03Ronnie Karam: So Dara arrives, and you can tell, because you can hear her. She's like, hi, hi, I'm Dara. Hi, hi, hi, I'm Dara. She talks like karate chops. She does. so she's like yeah I met West years ago we dated for like six months and then we ended for pretty much the reason that I think nothing has seemed to stick with West because he's a fucking loser he just couldn't full send it lazy bitch so anyway I was 30 you know and 30 is your hot girl era so like I'm not going to spend 30s telling some man how to be a man I mean West is the best guy on earth unless you're falling in love with him fucking loser so here I am set me loose

25:36Ben Mandelker: she's basically Kelly Preston and Jerry Maguire she's going to punch him in the face

25:41Ronnie Karam: um kelly katrone in the kelly katrone show kelly katrone in her it's like kelly it's like kelly katrone the origin story she's like i'm sick of i'm sick of telling people how to live at 30 uh if you want to cry leave the party cry outside well we are outside cry at the house

26:00Ben Mandelker: cry outside the rent affair so west is like hey dara welcome to the house yeah thank you i don't know what I was expecting, but it exceeded my expectations, which were already low because you were the one who invited me. And anything you invited me to is a piece of shit garbage activity. This party's massive. What are you even doing here?

26:18Ronnie Karam: So she goes up to KJ at the bar and she's like, where's your shirt coat, bro? And he's like, uh, it's inside. Classy, real classy. He's like, what? It's hot. I'm not wearing a shirt right now. Sorry. It's like, what? It's not in your journey? What was it? A full costume at one point and then you took off your shirt loser it's like oh my god you're so pretty

26:38Ben Mandelker: do you even remember meeting me on thursday hello he's like oh i'm fucking stupid sorry i was busy trying to control my impulse to be a lover boy it's so hard this summer how can i not be a

26:53Ronnie Karam: lover boy your hair is really different right now so maybe that's why i didn't recognize you She's like, yeah, it's curlier. I'll give you that. Okay, you got one point. Wow, you're down 19, but good luck catching up.

27:06Ben Mandelker: He's like, yeah, it was straight the other day. She's like, it was straighter. That's what I said. Yeah, but I'm confirming it was straighter.

27:14Ronnie Karam: No, I'm not saying it was straight because it wasn't straight, but it was straighter than it is. So you're close. Okay, half a point.

27:20Ben Mandelker: You ever go on a really windy road and then the next road you go on is still windy but not as windy? That was like my hair. Okay. well did you just get here or have you been here yeah i just got here can't you tell i'm carrying around this away luggage god can you guys find a place for my luggage i just got here did you hear

27:38Ronnie Karam: me five minutes ago no because i was not here okay do you think i ever enter a room where you don't fucking hear me coming no i don't is my hair straight or is it curly straighter okay you can learn at least i'll talk to you again go put on a shirt i'm trying to chug a drink with someone

27:53Ben Mandelker: because i'm so sober i'm so sober get me lit bro it's like yeah man shots cheers to me being an idiot right yeah cheers to you being an idiot and to me having a little bit slightly curlier hair today wow lady in my teens yeah she should definitely not be a nurse she's one of those

28:15Ronnie Karam: people who just pick what the you ringed your bell again god do i look like i'm on wheels i've got other things going on in here kind of bleeding from your eyes put a pillow over your face what

28:25Ben Mandelker: am i supposed to clean up the floor now god she needs to be an editor in a newsroom but only a newsroom that you would see in the movies not a real newsroom so that way like she like there's like all the sound of like typewriters and and telephones and she walks in and stands up on a desk and is like people we have three hours i don't have a cover story i need a headline i need the header i need something good we need to sell these papers give me a lead you over there you glasses what do you have you know because that's how they do it in the movies but in like in real life the editors just walk around quietly yeah i basically i'm like i'm like remember the movie the paper she should be all those characters pretty much so we go to the girls and amanda's

29:11Ronnie Karam: like i need another drink and then i gotta change i don't even know if i can get out of this outfit and so lindsey comes over she's like oh my god girls i have something to tell you um okay i'll tell the class mia you come too okay apparently last night jesse asked west if he could make out with you sierra and she's like what and they're like well he's got a lot of nerve yeah well west was just like yeah i don't give a fuck because you know west is like whatever and like lazy but he was like i don't even think she's like into that and like if she is like it's kind of joking anyway he was like kind of joking so amanda's like like he seriously

29:48Ben Mandelker: wants to make out with sierra or he was joking around that he was asking was okay where's the joking land in the sentence lindsey um he was serious about joking but he was serious about asking but the make out would be jokey so be a very serious ask about a jokey make out he's like plenty of jokes does this make sense and so amanda's like you don't jokingly make out with

30:10Ronnie Karam: someone so mia's do you know sitting there like i love that they're all they're all up in arms like what joking making out how dare he i've never heard of such a thing what even is joking making out

30:22Ben Mandelker: we will remedy this it should be a serious request for a serious make out or a jokey request for a jokey make out but you're crossing the lines so mia's like how do you feel about the sierra she's like um i'm gonna like need a minute because it's like what the fuck i thought you were gonna this is just not what i thought you were gonna say to me i thought you were just gonna tell me something about your kid again she's like well i can do that too so sierra's like so you're asking permission for like like the only person for me but like the only person i can give you permission is me both these boys make me fucking sick honestly i'm annoyed at jesse's lack of intention and everything's always a fucking joke to him i mean if it's serious enough for you to ask permission from west and like why aren't you asking permission to go out on a date and west you don't care like that annoys the fuck out of me too because like you know what i just i gotta fucking make out with somebody right in front of you and see how you really feel so now she's upset because west said he also doesn't care so it's making her i think that all this stuff is just making her feel like this unimportant piece of garbage on the side of the road that they make jokes about make out with

31:32Ronnie Karam: and then move on yeah that makes sense like a piece of property because it is so fucking weird that they're like oh oh do you mind if i use your lawnmower okay it'd be great sure just bring it back filled okay looped up ready to go i don't want to see your fingerprints all over him okay

31:47Ben Mandelker: i will clean the grass out of the back thanks i think sierra you are giving like you're giving these men way too much power in your life because like they're two emotionally stunted men who don't know how to simply ask for the things that they want and you deserve much better than to like be messing around with them and their stupidity well i really like sierra i mean my first thought

32:14Ronnie Karam: because she like literally runs inside runs runs inside crying so i was like i mean kind of grow up i mean are we in junior high but then the other part of me like i get i really like her so i'm coming up with reasons why this isn't completely stupid and i see the one that you're saying um but But the other one I think also is like these it's not even about her, you know, and I think she senses that it's not like, oh, wow, we both really like Sierra. They had an offseason. Nobody's going for Sierra on the offseason. No one's calling to take Sierra out in the offseason. It's like they just wait until they start shooting and then it's about a competition with each other.

32:48Ronnie Karam: So it's not really even about her. And I think she senses that and is like, OK, awesome. So I'm like just some sexual object in these guys, you know, stupid fame, because we know that Jesse and West are both obsessed with fame. Like they've everyone has said it since they came on this show. So, I mean, I can see why she would be annoyed. I think that being hurt is just stupid. I think it's not I think it's not emotionally intelligent because, like I said, these guys are just using you and you should know that by now and not give them the time of day. I wish you just went up to them and got them both together and said, I heard you ask for permission to make out with me.

33:22Ronnie Karam: no you're gross and you're both fucking children so go make out with each other and then just walked off instead of it becoming like oh

33:33Ben Mandelker: yeah because the truth is I think that there's probably also a good amount of frustration of like god I get like I got sucked into this into this bullshit again you know like Jesse's kind of like lulled me into this friendship where he's hanging out in my bed and we're doing bed bug stuff together and he just wants to have some sort of like jokey kiss or whatever which probably in her mind she's also thinking like it's just for tv and the truth is you have west who is like not uh what's the right word um i guess emotionally mature enough to say that he does care about it so he has to act like he doesn't care and you've got jesse who's going to minimize it by saying um yeah it's just jokey when he actually he wants something more and just like it's i think it's just the whole emotional stuntedness of it all and the fact that she is now drawn into it she's probably like how did i let myself get stuck with these men again like there was austin now there's these guys like why do i keep falling into this trap i i have to imagine

34:35Ronnie Karam: on some level she's thinking that well there's also the fact well not a fact that the possibility that she is liking jesse too because they do have this good flirt thing going on yeah they've got this whole thing going on and so if she really is starting to like him and she's sensing that he's starting to like her to hear that he's like oh yeah i just want to make out with sierra is probably like not great so yeah i think i can see it from the from those points of view

35:02Ben Mandelker: i i definitely was like oh it sounds like she might actually like him right because i think if you like someone these things will will also affect you a bit more yeah so then uh abandad and

35:15Ronnie Karam: You're like, how dare he? And Lindsay's like, well, I think Jesse's, like, catching a vibe. And he's always been flirty. But, like, it's more flirty. And, like, I think he might be catching some feelings. And, like, is anticipating that maybe if he goes further, you know. And Amanda's like, but he needs to have that conversation with you, Sierra. Instead of being, like, I jokingly want to make out with Sierra.

35:36Ben Mandelker: And Mia's like, and being like it's a joke. It's like it's not a joke. Because you're a person who has feelings and emotions. It's not a fucking joke.

35:46Ronnie Karam: I was like yeah it's a lot to process well I feel bad because like you guys have a friendship and like I don't want it to be awkward but like I kind of made it awkward because it's really fun for me to make stuff awkward and I'm sorry that you got in my hobby

35:59Ben Mandelker: where is like the Lindsay like advice I feel like Lindsay would be the first one to be like fuck those guys they don't deserve you they're just acting like toys and they can play with all these other bitches but not you I was sort of waiting for Lindsay to have that moment but she's like oh well sorry I made your life out Oh, my.

36:15Ronnie Karam: So I think she's just like sets the bomb and then she'll wait until the aftermath to come. And like in two weeks, she'll have some advice.

36:22Ben Mandelker: Yeah.

36:23Ronnie Karam: She's like, I can only do so much in a week. OK, I've got to keep my I've got to keep this going for two weeks later when I come back in. I'm a mother now. Let me tell you. Well, they're just going to know if you're my daughter, I would be putting electricity blockers into the holes of all of the electricity outlets because you're a genius, baby.

36:43Ben Mandelker: I would keep things away from you because you've broken so many things with your strong hands. So they go get turkey legs, which is the only reasonable next step. And then Sierra is, she goes, I can still go get a turkey leg and like not care. I mean, talk about an impairment mantra for 2026, right? Yeah. Commercials. Here comes one right now.

37:11Ronnie Karam: so then uh bailey and amanda um are talking about shots and amanda's like um aren't you aren't you supposed to be practicing flirting because out of all the men here who have you been flirting with like oh my god my friend said have you hooked up with anyone and i was like who am i gonna hook up with who the hottest person in the world probably not he probably wouldn't even like me why don't you go flirt with somebody flirt with an actor get out of your comfort zone use the

37:35Ben Mandelker: actors that's what they're here for i would rather not be one of the swordsmen who larp for a living

37:45Ben Mandelker: even though i am very excited to be dressed from middle earth i mean you are an on the street

37:52Ronnie Karam: interviewer so the larpers are probably making fun of you too to be fair yeah you are larping

37:58Ben Mandelker: being a reporter um so amanda's like what about the magician and we see this guy this big thing is he takes knots in and out of ropes he's like it's like there's a knot they call it a slip knot

38:10Ronnie Karam: look it's in my hand it's back on the rope it's like ken from uh beverly hills um she's like um i would rather the swordsman not be you know so i would rather my man not be 75 years old i mean come on i mean when west is said talking to this girl i'm gonna flirt with him and then i'm gonna to see if he picks up on it. Don't walk away, don't walk away. It's gonna be hilarious and scene, let's do it. So Wes comes up and she's like, all right, all right, everybody watching, camera's on me. Okay, here we go, let's try this. Wes, so hey, Wes, Wes, I'm having a great time. How about you? He's like, what's up?

38:40Ronnie Karam: She's like, oh, what's up? What's up, Wes?

38:47Ben Mandelker: Um, how are you? Uh, I don't know. You don't know how you are? I'm off to throw a ring at a volcano. How's your journey going? Do you have a small creature following you around too? He's like, I don't know if I understand. The ants are, there's trees. They're called ants and they're going to chase us down. What are you talking about? Mortal!

39:17Ronnie Karam: Well, I think this is the hottest that you've ever looked. You look so hot. you've got beer on your shirt some food coming out of your mouth i mean you look really really hot right now and he's like uh okay so he puts his sword on her shoulders to knight her and he's like thank you are you turned on because i'm so turned on right now yeah i'm turned on i love swords yeah you're really doing he's like uh so everything okay she's like does my popcorn taste good yeah you like my popcorn yeah get into my popcorn you like it buttery oh yeah he's like um

39:50Ben Mandelker: I'm scared as a little boy. She's like, yeah, well, did you see that I was hitting on you? He's like, yeah. I think the moment he knighted her, that was his way of putting physical distance between him and her. He's like, okay, I'm creating. This is.

40:01Ronnie Karam: He's like, here's my actual 10-foot pole that I wouldn't touch you right. It's like, when were you flirting? He's like, right now. I was flirting with you right now. He's like, oh, it didn't work? He goes, you're flirting with me at the popcorn machine? I mean, how do you normally hit on people? She's like, oh, God, I don't know. I'm so bad at this. I'm so bad at this. So she talks about moving to New York, and she had confidence. But then she was with a jerk. Now she doesn't have any confidence. And so she's like, well, yeah, my task was to hit on you and see if I had game. But I guess I don't have game.

40:37Ronnie Karam: Should I go hit on the turkey legs guy? And he's like, the turkey leg guy? You should tell him smoke my meat.

40:45Ben Mandelker: Oh, okay. I guess I'll do that. Um, so she basically has no game. It's very sad. So now KJ is giving Dara a tour. He's like, um, you want to see a tour of the backyard? Here's a tree. And this is another tree. And this is where Kyle pees. Okay, well, how's the party been so far? Better now? It looked pretty lame. Stupid, right? I want to leave. He's like, yeah, fair enough. It's a bad party. He's like, well, well, thank you. Thank you for this tour. That was very nice. Oh, and, uh, oh, oh, Ben, look. Hi. Hi, Ben. you're here and Ben's like laughing are you making a pity laugh at me Ben? he's like no it was a legit laugh I'm laughing at whatever nothing you were saying right now cause that's what models do we just laugh in the corner

41:32Ronnie Karam: Ben's like wow look at him he's got game the guillotine's a nice touch wow that where you go for bad behavior at the guillotine he's like be good I might put you in there so they're looking at all the little set pieces and stuff and kj's like wow she's so pretty like initially when she came up to me i was like why is she coming to talk to me maybe i'm trying too hard but there's some energy there and then carl's talking to some girls while holding a turkey leg

42:05Ben Mandelker: he's like hey i like your beyonce shirt that's pretty cool and the girl's like do you get it Oh, not really. It's from their Renaissance tour. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Oh my God.

42:18Ronnie Karam: Beyonce had a Renaissance tour. Oh my God, I'm so on trend.

42:22Ben Mandelker: Oh my God. Wait. Back in the mix. So she does like Ren Fairs? That's like pretty cool. No, she had a tour called the Renaissance tour. I'm not kidding. She went to Italy and like looked at the sights and the sounds of the Renaissance. She went to Florence. Oh my God, Beyonce went to Florence. That's like amazing. No, Carl. It's a, I'm just not gonna explain this to you anymore, Carl. Oh, sorry. the mix is pretty hard sometimes if I could hit myself in the head with this turkey leg you actually can't do that Carl you can do it or I can do it for you make your choice

42:53Ronnie Karam: so now we go to Jesse Jesse goes over to Ben Sierra and Amanda and he's like oh is this

42:58Ben Mandelker: a night to the round table and Ben's like oh god that accent uh just like I was just trying to And then Sierra's - Yeah, because Amanda tells him to fuck off.

43:10Ronnie Karam: And it's like, God, sorry. So then Sierra's talking to Mia. And Sierra's like, fix your fucking face, Mia. She goes, I can't. She goes, I just don't know how to feel about it. So like, I'm not going to bring it up until like, I've got a handle on it. I'm like, I don't know what to do about it. So she's like, I know, but I still have a stinky face. I don't care. I'm so mad at him. Talking about, joking about making out with you. So mad about it.

43:36Ben Mandelker: The jealousy in competition? is gonna commence in a few minutes um so now we're gonna have sir jesse and sir west are gonna do so now west and jesse are going to do um they're gonna get into like inflatable horse things with like you know jousty things whatever and sierra sierra and mia are sitting at a table and they're watching and sierra goes oh my god and mia's like this is literally idiot versus idiot it welcome to the show it's been like this for 10 years so jesse tackles uh jesse sort of tackles

44:11Ronnie Karam: i don't know one of them wins who cares and the crowd's like kiss kiss kiss so jesse kisses west and west is like oh my god he didn't even ask permission and sierra's just everyone's like

44:25Ben Mandelker: cheering but sierra's watching with such disdain in her eyes like these fucking man babies but then it turns into her crying she starts to cry so then this is when she goes running into her room and mia follows and sierra's like it's not flattering to me because like i do feel like everyone just wants to experience me and i do want to have like a best friend and like someone that i can tell everyone everything to and they just like look at me and want to tell me everything and they want to protect me and then like i don't want like this surface level um stop dating guys from the show

44:54Ronnie Karam: you have to go find a normal man you cannot date you cannot you cannot date west or jesse and expect it not to ever be service level i mean those guys have their fame whores and they have people lining up for them at all these fan events it's just don't date these people please go get yourself a real man off of this show please i beg of you i like you i beg to help you i think it's

45:16Ben Mandelker: time for i think sierra i feel like this may be her last season she i feel like we've watched her grow when she came on the show she was so quiet she was such an introvert and every year she she sort of like gets she just sort of gets more and more comfortable in her skin it feels like or at least maybe more comfortable being on tv and i think that every year she sort of becomes more and more of a star and now like she walks in and she's like she's like this woman is like a star and i think that like she's gonna be like moving onwards and upwards because it's time for her to now ascend to a new class of celebrity and not be hanging around the west and the jessies of the

45:55Ronnie Karam: world yeah here's to hoping she's on the city and whatever that show is called and not this so um now the party and also i just like i don't i don't know the sierra crying at this point i'm like you know too much from being on this show for so long to cry about these boys right now so i don't believe it as much as if it were someone like bailey or one of the newer people who were like oh my god these guys are such douchebags it's not that i think she's faking it it's just like i don't yeah just get out of there here's here's what i say out of there here's an on the fly

46:28Ben Mandelker: theory based off of what i just said there also must be something that's kind of crushing to come into the house and every year you're feeling more and more like a star i mean sierra sierra is increasingly famous she's just doing all these things she was just at the grammys last month like she's gets she's getting access to increasingly interesting and cool opportunities and to feel like your star is rising and you've done all this personal work on yourself to be bigger and better and to like step into like new chapters of your life and then to find yourself getting caught up in the petty bullshit that you thought you were so behind the stuff that you thought you grew out of with austin etc that like the old version of yourself and to realize shit I still have these things I'm still drawn to these people or I still am affected by these people even though I thought I had like moved on and done all the work like I think that's actually gotta be a driving force I know I feel that way sometimes there's so many times I'm like I've been doing therapy for like six or seven years now I'm like I am so much more of a self-possessed person I am like no I'm not as much of a shrinking violet and then I get put in one social situation where I totally have a regression to how I was like 10 years ago.

47:45And I'm like, oh, I'll never change.

47:48Ben Mandelker: I'm still the same person. I'm so mad at myself, you know? So like, maybe there's some of that in there, you know?

47:54Ronnie Karam: Hmm. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I, um, that sounds plausible. I just want her to, uh, stop worrying about this bullshit because it's annoying. These, these people are not worthy. So the party continues. Well, getting the anti-van ready a little bit. Yeah, well, she could drive it at this point. You know what I mean? Like, she could drive it. And just kind of her whole attitude with Lexi last year and how she handled that whole thing I thought was really good and really strong. So to see her regress for these two losers. Not regress, but you know what I mean. Crying. The crying over losers.

48:28Ronnie Karam: It's just I can't, you know? I just can't with it. I'm like, you're smarter than this.

48:32Ben Mandelker: So run.

48:34Ronnie Karam: So Ben flirts with Dara and I guess kind of in his way. You know how Ben does it. He's like, hold on, I'm a model. Anybody clap to you at the end of a, at the workday? No, but I've gotten it at the end of a date. Is that where we're heading to? Jesus Christ, you're pretty, but you're dumb. And KJ sees it and he's like, Ben and the other boys, I mean, they definitely just make it all look so simple. All this flirting. But me, I don't even know if I'm flirting. How do you do it? okay kj we've already got this this like i'm just a boy a boy that doesn't understand girls what

49:13Ben Mandelker: i was raised by sisters and like what do i do i'm just a male model who invents skateboard tricks i'm so awkward what do i do

49:29Ben Mandelker: so luckily for him he does seem generally like the nicest guy and i think we are all waiting for the other shoe to fall because that's what happens on these shows but like i mean he seems lovely but it's also it's crazy he seems lovely but he's also giving the full what i'm just a boy

49:47Ronnie Karam: and i don't even understand how to be a fuck boy i couldn't even if i wanted to it's just not in my nature all i want is romance except for this summer when i'm gonna try to i mean every clue is that he is just one of these guys so he's if he is one of these guys you know just like a typical douchebag he's playing it very well because i believe it mostly but i'm yeah me too but like

50:11Ben Mandelker: you're you're right that's all there on paper you know when people tell you who they are don't have sex with him so then west is uh hanging around and uh he's mad that people are throwing hay around and then mia gets on the mic i could so this is i think this is really the moment where i was like wow she's really fitting in because mia a newbie gets on the mic and gives the hey everyone the party's done which prompts amanda off in the corner to do a you know a pretty limp version of an already limp routine she has you don't have to go home but you can't stay She doesn't even finish it I know She's just like No one's listening to me

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