#3244: Summer House S10E5 Part Two: Rein There Done That

0:00Ben Mandelker: What happens when there's so much that crap ends?

0:21Ronnie Karam: Well, hello and welcome to What's What Crappens. This is part two of a two-part recap. if you're like, hey, wait a minute, I didn't hear part one. Guys, it's because we put out a lot of recaps. Go back and listen to part one, okay? It's before this one. Bye. Enjoy the show. So now it's later. It's 8.48 p.m. And Carl is sitting with Dara and KJ on the couch. And KJ's like, what do you do for fun, Dara? Like, what's your hobby? Am I flirting? She's like, um, I read. I like to read. Whoa, it's like a really good hobby, actually. She goes, yeah. And I go to the movie alone a lot. can't stand other fucking people right next to me eating their popcorn.

0:59Ronnie Karam: Why don't we not have popcorn? It's so loud. Stupid America.

1:04Ben Mandelker: Oh, yeah. I watch movies myself. That's like my favorite thing to do, watching movies myself. So if you're trying to ask me to the movies, you see the problem in that, right? That would be two of us at a movie, and I don't do that.

1:15Ronnie Karam: We should go on a film forum. Yeah, well, you're going to have to sit five rows behind me.

1:20Ben Mandelker: What are they going to see at the film forum? That's my favorite part. The two people from Summer House are going to go to the film forum.

1:25Ronnie Karam: What is a film forum? What is that?

1:27Ben Mandelker: It's like an art house. Like it's indie down the village movie theater. I went there and I remember going there in high school because in high school, I had like this whole, like, like I'm artsy phase. And I would go, I would take the train down to the city and go see movies at the Angelica Film Center. And that's where I would go. yeah you know and i remember um i remember seeing like foxy brown at the film forum because i was like very much into like wow exploitation what an interesting genre foxy brown is film forum the same as angelica no but they're like right near each other and they're like that same thing you just see really like documentaries or a foreign film or something and you're like sophisticated i mean you actually are i'm like making it sound like it's pretentious like it's legitimately sophisticated and like we don't have that in los angeles like there's literally nowhere to see independent films in los angeles it's like isn't that crazy yeah i think there's like maybe one

2:26Ronnie Karam: place even though even the movie theater uh on sunset and crescent that that one used to have some of them but now they have now it's a big cvs sign even though there's still a movie theater in there i hate i saw with that cvs sign up there it makes me crazy every time i see it it's so disrespected it's like there's a town of movies get the fucking cvs sign off of there and put the

2:44Ben Mandelker: movie signs back up i literally saw wicked for good in that theater which formerly was the place to see your independent movies it's so sad why did you see wicked for good there you got to go

2:56Ronnie Karam: see that on like a big crazy screen of course then you have to deal with all the idiots in there yeah

3:00Ben Mandelker: i didn't want to go to the grove i remember the angel i saw clerks at the angelica film center, film, whatever. And that I feel like is the most 90s thing I could have ever done in my life is seeing clerks at the Angelica.

3:13Ronnie Karam: I saw a lot there. I saw like Big Fish. I saw a lot of them. Not Big Fish. The one with who cares? Nobody cares about this. Rumblefish? No, the one with never mind. Mary McDonald? Yes. Mary McDonald. Isn't that Big Fish?

3:29Ben Mandelker: No, it was something else with the fish. Go Fish.

3:32Ronnie Karam: Something like that. Okay, so something fish.

3:34Ben Mandelker: The fish report.

3:36Ronnie Karam: fish report fish report mary mcdonald does a fish report

3:41Ben Mandelker: we should also by the way resurrect mary mcdonald where is she these days passion fish passion fish thank you yes thank you great film with alfrey woodard yes oh alfrey loved her okay so um

3:55Ronnie Karam: they're talking about reading movies and stuff and they decide to go on a movie date so now we go to KJ and Jesse and KJ is asking if Sierra's okay and Jesse's like oh no I haven't seen or heard from her in hours well I don't know and then Dara and Ben are continuing the flirting in his room so Dara goes from KJ and goes to get some more Ben flirts and we see it and she's pretty good she's she is a really good flirt I mean she's like so hey what are you doing he's like Laying on the bed. Oh, really? What are you, a big bedlayer? Love bedlaying. Yeah, maybe I'll lay right here on the bed. He's like, alright.

4:33Ronnie Karam: Oh, is it alright? Is it alright? Because beds are great. This bed's calling me. He's like, okay.

4:40Ben Mandelker: You ever see a movie alone? I do. So then meanwhile...

4:46Ronnie Karam: I've got a bed. You got a doorknob or a broomstick? Sorry, I was still thinking about movies.

4:53Ben Mandelker: You know what I love? Marissa Tomei in the feature film in the bedroom, which is where we are. So, uh, Bailey is watching this, and she's like, oh my god. I have to tell you something, Levi. First of all, wow, Levi, you're here. Second of all, Darren Ben, wow, he's gone. He's locked in. They're locked in. It's over. I lost my chance. It's done. It's done. And Levi's like, really? She cracked him? Totally cracked. It looked like they were in The Bachelor. I mean, I even brought him this sweet green salad, and I can't even give it to him. It's too late. The opportunity's closed.

5:25Ronnie Karam: Daryl walking around Beaming her lashes at every boy And them like melting I mean it's making me realize I do not stand a chance And what I was doing with Ben That was not flirting Why don't I know how to flirt everybody

5:38Ben Mandelker: She's just in her own Little modern Jane Austen storyline On this show Everyone else is just partying and getting drunk And she's just like pining after people In the corner

5:48Ronnie Karam: She's very like I'm on a show And my storyline is I don't know how to flirt and i'm gonna hit it home in every single scene that i do so then uh me and sierra um are creeped out because they're in bed and something keeps making their doors shake oh my god it's the ghost oh it's the ghost of turkey legs past that was a really good run of software thank you thank you

6:09Ben Mandelker: everybody nailed it yeah it was the ghost of me because i started going upstairs and then i realized wait a second i'm downstairs now i'm in the mix so i left so it's the ghost of me up on second floor what can i say oh uh next morning time to start cleaning everyone so they're cleaning and there's all this junk in the backyard and jesse's like trying to make small talk with sierra and he's like hey so do you have plans this week and she's like um long pause long pause long pause just gotta clean my apartment get some furniture delivered not hanging out with you he's like so can we have a segment of old men complaining about things

6:50Ronnie Karam: because this, I mean, I know that's our whole show pretty much, at least on my end. But this, how they were cleaning up the backyard was so annoying. Well, first off, she had a trash picker upper, which I liked. You know, she had one of those grabby things instead of touching with her hands. Okay, that's not my problem. They were taking all the booze and all the cans and emptying them just all over the grass. That's disgusting. Do you do that? Do you find that acceptable? I was like, no, hell no. And if I was renting out that house, I would be pissed. I would be marking that down.

7:22Ben Mandelker: That's flies. I'm trying to think of where I would pour the booze out. I'm like genuinely just.

7:27Ronnie Karam: A bucket and then you take it into the sink.

7:31Ben Mandelker: I think what I would do is I would gather everything and bring it to the kitchen and pour it down the drain. Yeah. I don't know. So sometimes, okay, here. Sometimes when I'm outside. Well, that's a bad example because I've got a drain in my driveway. So sometimes if I get home and I have nothing but a little bit of ice in my coffee that I had in my car, I'll pour the ice down the drain in the driveway. But I don't just pour it into the plants. You've got to think about that one. Leave a comment to everyone.

8:01Ronnie Karam: But like hundreds of cans, just pouring them all up. I was horrified. I was like, how dare you treat my property like this, even though it wasn't?

8:09Ben Mandelker: That's the least of that grasses issue is the lover boy.

8:13Ronnie Karam: i guess a lot of there's like a turkey leg with flies all over it just yeah that was disgusting

8:17Ben Mandelker: i was mad at that i was like who is the person just threw a turkey leg down on the ground

8:21Ronnie Karam: like you're a monster yeah so um jesse's like oh no i can tell sierra's upset he's doing his frown face he's like i can tell sierra's upset i'm hoping it's not at me but i'm afraid it is I just feel like no matter what happens I always mess up

8:40Ben Mandelker: So now they all leave and Carl whispers to KJ He's like hey You know what's crazy about letting this car? That Kia? I paid for half of it and I used to own half of it. It's not crazy It's own half a car. It's like wild

8:55Ronnie Karam: Get over it. That's how I feel every time I pass a school. I'm like I paid for that school. Everyone wants it Seriously

9:04Ben Mandelker: seriously kj's like that would trip me out bro like to be honest like that would trip me out more than me not thinking about my sisters when i hit on girls i'm just

9:16Ronnie Karam: trying not to be a lover boy well i mean it's a trip but uh i mean it couldn't have gone better because i just didn't want it to be awkward for anybody else to argue about the kia so lindsey can have it you know i'm a good person i'm a good person i gave lindsey that kia so she's welcome

9:33Ben Mandelker: yeah yeah okay um then everyone just says goodbye and they all leave now we're in the city so it's monday kyle and west play golf they go to like one of those indoor golf places where you hit the balls at a screen and so they have fun there and then it's tuesday and lindsey's baby she's sticking things in all the outlets to make sure the baby is fine i'm surprised she didn't do that for karl to be honest

9:56Ronnie Karam: oh my god i have to baby proof this because i have a genius baby I was like, no, genius babies do not stick their fingers in outlets. So just baby babies, regular baby babies. Well, I guess she was saying it's genius because Gemma will take the, she'll know how to take the covers off or something.

10:16Ben Mandelker: Or she's so inquisitive as a baby that she wants to touch every hole.

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13:09Ben Mandelker: It's like, okay, well, I'm going to give you a hug because otherwise it'll just feel weird for the rest of the time. So let's do this. Let's just get the hug over with. Okay, you've been hugged. Congratulations.

13:16Ronnie Karam: So he gets her a drink and he gets himself a matching drink, a matching spritz, but he's also got his Guinness there. So man, this guy's not kidding around. It's like first date, double fisting it. You go. So KJ is like, after the party, like we were definitely texting and talking on the phone, FaceTiming. and you know like i didn't want to get into a relationship this summer because i'm a lover boy but we'll see how that goes haha so she's like oh i see you're still wearing my earrings he's like yeah and when i wake up i thought of you every day this week she's like oh well that's that's

13:55Ben Mandelker: really excited exciting and she's like so uh am i blushing am i blushing because i hope i'm not he's like yeah so i'm gonna tell you this like literally after i gave a tour of the backyard i I was like, well, this is kind of like a fun experience. Like, this would be great. But then like all of a sudden I saw Ben and I was like, damn. Cause like, I mean, you guys were like talking and like, he's giving you attention and stuff. And like, then I started to feel a certain type of way when you were in Ben, we're talking, but I was like, dang, I'm like, I actually like her. I'm like, like, sir, to me, I was like, is this, does this count as game?

14:28Ben Mandelker: You're talking about another guy. And then you're also kind of saying that you're jealous. You're already showing your jealousy. Yeah, that's what he was having a first date.

14:35Ronnie Karam: Like, yeah, I mean, I like you, but I think you like that other guy. And he's like way hotter than me. Like, what are you even doing with me that I've been? Like, what are you even doing? What are you doing, bro? Stop.

14:47Ben Mandelker: He's like asking for pity, but also showing jealousy, but then also spitting it like it's some sort of sign of dedication. And he's she's like, yeah, I mean, that was nice. I just like want to clarify because like I think I'm like not trying to make you feel like it's like some sort of like weird competition. He's like, so you don't like Ben? She's like, I mean, no, but everyone likes Ben. Come on. Say you like Ben. Say you like him.

15:12Ronnie Karam: Oh, my God. Stop being disappointed hearing that I don't like Ben. I mean, what the hell? And he's like, well, but like everyone likes Ben. Like he's even given me a halfie. Like, I mean, he's a male model. He's mature. Like he's in his 30s. He's got hair. She's like, aren't you a male model, too? He's like, yeah, but I'm just like a baby male model. I'm like an Oshkosh male model who does skateboard tricks. It's different.

15:36Ben Mandelker: Well, I mean, I can see why girls would like him for sure. But for me, there's like, there wasn't a lot of chemistry, just some hair. It's like, wow, have you felt chemistry with us? She's like, yeah, I don't think I would have relinquished the time to come here if I didn't feel the chemistry. Wow, you felt chemistry? Honestly, Cage is kind of annoying on a date. i have to say just reading it back i'm like this is really annoying i don't i would not like this

16:00Ronnie Karam: at all he is and i thought someone like her i mean she's just so self-assured and confident i thought she'd be like oh my god you're a wuss like i need i cannot with i thought she was gonna be like okay good to meet you no absolutely not but she liked it she loved it yeah she loved it

16:19Ben Mandelker: because he's like this is all new to me this summer i was like all right i'm gonna be single I'm going to enjoy myself and have a good time. Like, why are you saying that part too? This summer, I just want to sleep around a lot, you know?

16:32Ronnie Karam: Well, but he's also getting it in there. You see, so part of me is like, is he just tricking me? Because he's also getting it in there, just like they always do. Well, I'm not really looking for anything. This is my summer of fun. So we'll see. She's like, so you want to be single? And he's like, well, I did. And then they laugh. So now we go to Carl. He's like, oh my God, it's software. okay this is a great hallway um that staircase wow look at that there's like a landing there

16:59Ben Mandelker: we could put a dj booth there he's like basically from like august 1st last year until now i've been building supper we've been doing pop-ups and we're doing events and just like talking about the good guy clause but the goal is always open with an actual location because like i have my team and we've been like working together on getting a place up and running and like we're gonna be opening publicly later summer I promise it's happening like I swear to God it's gonna happen I mean for as many times I said like this might not work God I wish I could bonk myself on the hell with a tricky leg am I right but no it's gonna open it's gonna flashback to Lindsey um you always say what you want

17:37Ronnie Karam: to do but there's not a lot of movement towards actually doing anything that you want to do promise it's gonna open so Ben comes to check it out and he's like this is why I love New York because I love being around people who have an idea and they go for it doesn't that feel good doesn't that feel good new york is the only place

17:59Ben Mandelker: where that happens unfortunately it's the only place where people have an idea and go for it so i'm so glad he's in new york too um so carl's like hey here's the soft bar has a 24 foot high ceiling uh which is amazing he's like well from my entrepreneurial perspective which i don't have since I'm just a model. It takes a lot of balls just to do something like this, especially having a non-alcoholic bar as well. I mean, it's really ambitious. What an interesting idea, a bar that does not serve cocktails. You really swung for the fences, and it looks phenomenal. It's just, fortunately, those fences are very, very far away, very far away.

18:37Ben Mandelker: But you know what they say? That's the way the cookie crumbles.

18:41Ronnie Karam: Thank you. Doesn't that feel amazing? Thank you. so i'm looking at the reviews for softbar they're pretty good there's only four which is weird right i'm surprised i'm surprised that there's only four um he got one one star she said i've had amazing zero proof cocktails and these just don't measure up it's like they did their sampling in a region that thinks mayonnaise is spicy both the mr feel good and the high road aren't what i describe as elevated or worth the price point there are other options nearby spend your money there wow williamsburg really going hard on the soft bars uh they've got a lot of them but he's also got a bunch of four stars and so he's good he's got like a four he's got a 4.1 rating on yelp so that's pretty good this place is awesome carl killed it great drinks very chill spot free wi-fi and supporting people empowering their lives yummy drinks great atmosphere i like the concept coffee and cocktails and he paid for half of lindsey's kia four stars

19:43Ben Mandelker: i feel like i'm in a beautiful roomy suv but only half of it um i mean look the place looks the place looks great um it'd be interesting to see we should we should make a trip to it next time we're although we have to go all the way to brooklyn for it

20:02Ronnie Karam: that's all that's only the first stop on the train on the l is it that's my old stop yes where i used to live um the l yeah it's like the first stop off the l i guess if it's in williamsburg

20:15Ronnie Karam: you got off on bedford i'm pretty sure i haven't really looked it up on maps but uh of someone who lived in williamsburg for about six years yeah i'm pretty sure i can tell you where the sea town is it's my favorite place c-town sounds like an like an insult go back to c-town that's before i even before crappens was even a dream i used to go to a place called c-town oh you guys c-town ah what a dream okay so ben uh ben loves it and ben's like how much longer do you have five weeks three weeks am i flirting with you oh no because everyone thinks i'm flirting okay no oh we've got three weeks to finish three five weeks opening it's gonna be amazing it's gonna be about you know what i'm not coming this weekend because gotta be here i gotta be here i gotta decide like how are we gonna have a dj on that stair landing without them falling backwards and breaking thank you because he was like wow just being in the

21:12Ben Mandelker: space i got like so many ideas like look we could put a dj up there it's like a tiny stairway landing that's got to be a fire code issue to put a dj setup up there so well we're just gonna do so

21:24Ronnie Karam: many things here if you're gonna put something on the landing have your dj be like an air in like an Alexa that plays music, you know, or an AirPod, whatever those are called. So then, yeah, they just talk about it. So then Carl's like, oh, actually, you know, like we have a lot of people that work and are founders of non-alk companies. And, you know, Jesse invested some other close friends and family. I've like some influencers. I have some athletes, you know, like people who play ball, you know, different kinds of ball, all different kinds of ball. Yeah. But not Kyle. No, no. and to be honest like he's got so much other shit to worry about with lover boy and you know what like let's also be honest carl doesn't throw a ball so not really a ball thrower so yeah uh well

22:11Ben Mandelker: yeah i invested fifteen thousand dollars in 2019 in lover boy and i didn't have a lot of money back in 2019 but i just like believe in him so much and i knew the power of what he was building and i really felt like there was something there so i had hope but maybe for the same return but he was like i'm just not in a position to invest and the message it sends is kind of confusing um the message is actually pretty clear to me which is he doesn't believe in what you're doing unlike you who said that lover boy you said that you felt like you felt the power of what he was building and that there was something there i think kyle is saying i don't know the power of what you're building and i don't think that there's something there so i'm not gonna spend

22:50Ronnie Karam: the money on this we had imagined and then he did make salary by being hired there when he couldn't keep a job anywhere else he made he made some decent money with lover boy so i'm not going to totally diss kyle on that one and we do know that kyle is completely broke because he just had to take 15 grand out of you know he had he had a whatever to get his 50 500 000 to uh keep lover boy afloat so he probably just doesn't have it so i don't know yeah but i mean i do get like i invested in yours and you're not going to invest in mine but um i don't know you're broke you're

23:24Ben Mandelker: broke what are you gonna do yeah yeah i i think i totally understand why carl would not be happy about that i would not take that away from him but i also feel like oh maybe he just doesn't want to throw away fifteen thousand dollars but we'll see we'll see how this company goes

23:40Ronnie Karam: doesn't want to piss it into the wind is that what you're saying i'm just saying that kyle had you know look i i'm i can see how carl would be annoyed but i also you know i'm not going to be fooled by Carl again. I've been fooled by Carl too many times. This is Carl time porno and I'm not going to fall for Carl's victim act. Like, well, it really hurts me. The girl couldn't invest. You got a lot of money. You got a lot of investors. It's working out. Cry outside. That's what I say.

24:12Ben Mandelker: We'll see. We'll see how it goes. I think also like Kyle has a proven track record. Like going into Loverboy, he had a track record as someone who does startups. He had the cat bird dog cat dog whatever it was that he was doing the shorts like he already does this and it was a product that he could bring onto the show that he could hawk every single week and like he could bring out to the world you know so like there's a lot of upside i think with soft bar it's just a little harder because it's like haul ironic haul but like uh it's it's more difficult because it's like a location off of brooklyn and and like carl has no track record and it's a little scary

24:51Ronnie Karam: yeah so a Friday we're driving to the Hamptons now softly but without me worrying about the DJ sounds it's huge so West KJ that's the boys car and West is like what's up you fucking brat hey I was your boys this week well I got a text this weekend from my friend Reagan she works at 82 Staten and she's like KJ it's literally here on a date right now whoa oh wow who's the lucky gal

25:21Ben Mandelker: He's like, oh, it's Dara. Dara, how did that come about? We were hanging out at the party, and I gave her a little tour of the backyard. And Jesse's like, yeah, oh, he knows that backyard like the back of his hand. They just start joking, like, here's the pool, and here's the pool. So Jesse's like, so KJ says, yeah, like, we hung out. We had a few drinks, and like, yeah, we were buzzing, and then we went to Tyler, the creator, because he had a show. I'm like, sir, I know that sounds like a great time. We went to Tyler, the creator. It's not a great show, I'm sure. But you said you were going to go to the film forum, and I was waiting for a film forum update.

26:02Ben Mandelker: What movie did you see? How was the documentary? Did you make out afterwards? And I feel a little bit lied to.

26:08Ronnie Karam: Did you get a kiss goodnight? And he's like, yeah, I got a kiss. And then she came over yesterday, and we made dinner. And Justin's like, what? Oh, my God, you're basically married. Then what happened? And he's like, well, I left this morning. so they're like whoa you got laid yeah oh didn't he say that she came over to his place so for him

26:29Ben Mandelker: to say i left this morning wouldn't you be doing that anyway from your place but i don't know i

26:33Ronnie Karam: think that's true what he's saying that's i get the gist of what he's saying i didn't even catch that he's like normally i wouldn't leave my house after a date but

26:43Ben Mandelker: Well, I did leave this morning. But I think that's what he meant. Yeah, he implies that they banged.

26:49Ronnie Karam: And he's like, and Jesse's like, oh, Ben's back here silent. He must be devastated. Did you ask permission? And KJ's like, well, Ben, you know, say some shit, please, man. Like, how do you feel, bro? And he's like, mate, I'm all for it. Listen, I'm not going to say we didn't have a vibe. I only think at one point she said, oh, I'm cold. And I said, because the fan's on. Very hot stuff.

27:13Ben Mandelker: It's just such a shame that there's no, I don't know, like a blonde girl who's available in our house. Don't you wish we had someone like that around? Oh, well, too bad.

27:22Ronnie Karam: Yeah, too bad. So sad. But listen, I'm so happy for you. I think it all went great for you and I'm rooting for you. Good suit. Good suit, mate. Thank you. Good suit.

27:34Ben Mandelker: Thank you. Thank you.

27:36Ronnie Karam: Good, because I never want anything to come between the boys. commercials here comes one right now so now we go to bailey and levi arriving at the house first for their wacky practical jokes yeah they um they have uh like a plant plant costume and that comes like a little little

28:02Ben Mandelker: planter and you sit in it and then you you look like a house plant but then when people walk in you go boo so they set that all up and then kj while they're doing that kj is like hey jesse i also had coffee with sierra yesterday and i guess word got back to her about what you said to west somehow and then west goes yeah because of lindsey i'm like don't act like oh because of lindsey she told you she was gonna say something and you could have been like please don't say something let me handle it you told you basically said to her go do it like you can do it it's not my place

28:36Ronnie Karam: to do it.

28:38Ben Mandelker: And then now he's like, oh man, she's so mean. Why would she betray our trust like that?

28:45Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So Jesse's like, well, I texted her just checking in on her. She didn't respond, so I figured something was off. They're like, yeah, it's a tough situation. Oh my god, so dramatic. So Bailey and Levi are now dressed as plants, and they're carrying around pots, and they're like, oh my god, let's hide in the frat room. I will pretend to be trees. It's going to be so crazy. So the first group arrives, and I go, ah. And then the second group arrives, and I go, ah. Then the third group arrives, and I go, ah. Then the fourth group, okay, is this going to be an hour-long thing?

29:23Ben Mandelker: I enjoyed it, actually. Partially because I thought it was funny, partially because I knew it was something we could go by quickly on the recap. But I did enjoy it. Although, you know what? I felt so bad for Sierra. it was like pouring rain and Sierra went running to go inside and she just wiped out right on that staircase I was like oh we oh we oh we oh

29:41Ronnie Karam: I know like face first I'm surprised she wasn't hurt I know seriously

29:45Ben Mandelker: she was also the only one who was not fazed by this plan she walked in she was like what's that

29:50Ronnie Karam: like ah she's like you guys are losers

29:56Ben Mandelker: so this went on for a little while and it sort of concluded with the guys van the guy's car arriving. So now there's hugs. And Bailey's like, do I smell bad? I'm sweaty. And Jesse's like, yeah, you smell better. I think the answer's supposed to be like, no, you smell okay.

30:14Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I thought that was Ben. He was like, you smell better. I was like, oh gosh, this poor girl. So then Sierra just kind of ignores Jesse. And he's like, can we talk before dinner? She's like, yeah, whatever. So then West and Ben are watching the rain. And they're like, wow, this is what life's all about. watching drain watching watching it rain how do you think jesse's doing he's like well she's mad

30:36Ben Mandelker: at you it's really not good about it that's for sure yeah so sierra and jesse go up to her room and he's like well i just feel bad because he has his frown face his trapezoidal frown face and he's like sort of doing that thing where he's like picking out he's like lying on the bed on the side and like picking at like the quilts with his fingers and like looking down he's like i just feel bad i mean the boys are telling me that when i said to wes would you be upset if i made i was yeah that you're like upset and they said that made you feel like a certain type of way and like i feel bad that it like made you feel that way because i didn't mean anything by it i just feel like if we're getting flirty i just want to be clear from wes perspective and our friendship it was something that i was ever going to pursue and he's just saying words that like

31:23Ronnie Karam: have no meaning behind them yeah i think just probably brevity is his would be his friend here because he's saying like listen we're getting flirty and i didn't want west to be offended because that's breaking bro code so i had to ask him how he felt about it so i asked him in kind of a jokey way that's it but it's like five paragraphs like whoa i mean so she's like but you didn't mean anything by it and he said well i mean i didn't know what my intention was like i I don't know where your head's at. And I just thought it was like the right order of operations. Like check with your boy. And then if he cares, if he's still hung up, then like, I wouldn't even think about it, you know, because that's not what boys do to boys.

32:02Ronnie Karam: Because, you know, we learned very early on. She's just like waiting for him to finish, but he never does. I'm sure you know the feeling on this podcast. I'll just wait for him to finish. It's like 10 minutes later. i'm like and another thing i pay taxes for children to go to school in my district i don't

32:24Ben Mandelker: even have children no that's me to you that's like and then this one time when i was like i don't know 14 i went all the way down to angelica film center and i saw the movie nadia has a black

32:34Ronnie Karam: white movie about a vampire i was young oh i love that um looking at you on the video screen like there he goes see the memories as they happen as my man talks about him my man my man my man go to the angelica film center um sierra i think what jesse should be doing in this situation is

32:56Ben Mandelker: just asking sierra how she feels and like rather than just coming in like boom here's what i was doing and this is why like don't be mad at me like why don't you see like check how she feels and you can address it i don't actually think the instinct to check with your boy you know to make sure everything's cool is like the worst instinct in the world but it is icky the sense that the guys are treating her like like oh she has no say in it that's a bad feeling it's kind of like he's kind of like doing love island rules where like i think i want to have a conversation i'm gonna have like i'm gonna post someone for a chat but i want to let you know first so like and maybe in the love island villa that seems like more realistic way to operate but in real life it actually just objectifies the other person but i think you should just do less talking

33:43Ronnie Karam: but if he didn't but if he didn't do it we'd be sitting here like oh my god this is breaking bro code and you're you're a piece of shit for not doing that i mean jesse can't be a douchebag and stuff and i think he is a douchebag but let's not over you know let's not undersell what a douchebag Wes is too because he did come to West West sorry that my mic came unplugged well he came to West West you know didn't have the balls to say anything about it really at the time until he was kind of forced to at the end and be like well maybe that's uncool or whatever but then West went and told every single person to get them to fight his battle for him you know and when they wouldn't when he told all the guys and no one fought the battle for him he relied on Lindsay to do it and And then had Lindsay go in there.

34:28Ronnie Karam: And they got all the girls against Jessie. And then it's like he knows what it's like to be in a bad situation in that house with all the girls. And he purposely did that to Jessie when I think Jessie was actually just kind of doing the right thing. And West is just upset that Jessie would consider going for Sierra at all. Because that's West's back burner showmance, not Jessie's. West doesn't have any intention for Sierra. So I think West is also a huge piece of shit here. And I think that's a really shitty way to treat your friend. Fortunately for him, the friend is Jesse. And I like watching Jesse get tortured.

35:03Ronnie Karam: So, you know, it's a wash.

35:05Ben Mandelker: I think that West should actually get any more shit in this situation. Because I think the normal order of operations would be Jesse is catching feelings for Sierra, which is fine. I mean, it is a little bit of a, it is a kind of a violation of bro code. But first of all, he should have pulled West aside privately, not with a council of boys. And he should have pulled West aside. And he should have been, I don't know, he should have stood in his feelings and said, I'm interested in Sierra, not be like, maybe I might jokingly make out with her. He sort of hedges a little bit, like, don't be mad at me.

35:42Ben Mandelker: And then West, I think the moment that West says, it's fine, I don't care, you have to actually be about that because you can't say it's fine I don't care and then have other people make sure the message gets to Sierra because that actually is a violation of bro code because I think if it never got to Sierra if it just became a thing of like hey I'm interested in this girl I want to check with you first because I don't want to mess up our relationship he says go for it and then Jesse makes moves on Sierra I think that's like normal I think that's like okay to do that but because west then made sure sierra found out that the discussions held back and forth it makes her feel more objectified than it is and so that's at believe it or not like west is kind

36:28Ronnie Karam: of the bigger roko that's just a bigger asshole in this situation yeah i agree yeah he made sure

36:34Ben Mandelker: that she felt like this was the she was she knew that this was being discussed in in a group with people in a laughing way we're being taken very seriously it just made her feel like shit so that was shitty of west i think ultimately because if you because obviously he did care so he wasn't even being honest he should have been like don't do that like that i don't like that yeah i mean

36:56Ronnie Karam: they both just handle everything so stupidly like honestly just if but then jesse's also afraid because he doesn't want to be in the situation where he has to be like but i like sierra because then he's gonna fuck that up too he i still think he just wants to fuck around as much as he keeps saying i want a girlfriend that's right now he's not acting like it so they're both they're both just idiots so you know and then we get to sierra who i've already said like i wish was just above all of this and had just i wish this scene was just her shooting down jesse period um but you know you can't i can't control a person's heart unfortunately so you can't you know what you can't

37:34Ben Mandelker: do it the hawk wants what it wants okay okay so what it wants it's worked that sierra's basically like i guess just weird that you're clearing it with wes before talking to me about it just made me feel like you think of me as a sexual conquest and now it's now it's your turn he's like that's not how i was thinking about you at all i wasn't thinking in the first place it's like well but hearing that made me feel that way and then i'm hearing it's a joke make out what there was a joke and if you want to hide behind a joke like okay he's like no i wasn't making a joke like if we

38:06Ronnie Karam: make out it would just be like it would be a joke is that what you're saying it'd be a joke it's like oh but i mean i feel like we have an attraction here's my frown i'm gonna frown smile at you i feel like we have an attraction to each other and we're also just friends and i don't know what i'm like hoping for i don't know well fucking figure it out like what the hell are you gonna have a conversation you've had a whole week to think about this you did nothing you didn't know

38:33Ben Mandelker: prep no fiera is just she has a nice little monologue here she talks about how lines are so blurred and i love you as a friend and i'm obviously upset because i'm like why is it that i can express that like i want a boyfriend and i want to be in a relationship and i want to have a friendship with the person i'm with and i want to eventually be married and have kids one day and then you're just like oh you just like pictures just like oh this is just like a joke let's have like a jokey bank out session like if you're really interested in me you would ask me ask him for permission to ask me out on a date if you ask him for permission for fucking anything not just to make out with me do you see where i'm coming from which by the way that's a dumb question for her to ask because i don't think jesse will ever see anything he does anyone's

39:16Ronnie Karam: coming from at least this clarified it for me because the whole episode i was like oh god this is so stupid but i mean i get this so she's like okay well at least ask for permission to date me and not just hook up with me you know yeah which i think is pretty clear and of course he's still I'm not going to get that. And he's like, well, sorry, I made you feel like an object. You know, I don't want you to feel like that. More like you're the stuffed animal you win in a carnival, you know, and that's more important. It's a bigger thing. You're a prize, not an object.

39:46Ben Mandelker: Is that better?

39:49Ben Mandelker: Sorry, I thought you might need a little bit of help in there.

39:52Ronnie Karam: Great shoot, guys. Great shoot. And Sierra's like, well, I mean, this is easy to put it on, Jesse, but like it's 75 % me, you know, because like, you know, I can feel like we have a good enough relationship for him to come to me and say things like that but like this reaffirms the theme in my head that people just want to hook up and they just don't want anything serious you know and that's like I can't get that out of my head

40:16Ben Mandelker: yeah and she has like a lot of baggage with her dad and her upbringing that I think informs all this so she says yeah I just want to be seen in this friendship and I think that's the only thing that I'm like the main thing I'm fighting for you know So we will see what will happen Between these two In the fallout What will happen But in the meantime Go check out that replay On Kizwe Go read our newsletter Go do all of the things And there was something else I feel like we were supposed to Oh and go check out our bonus episode This week which is free It's a free bonus episode featuring Rob Cesar Nino From Rob has a podcast and we talk about traders and survivor.

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