#3252 Married To Medicine S12E12: A Couple of Issues

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1:19Ben Mandelker: Hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker and joining me today is the one, the only, the incomparable Mr. Ronnie Karam. Hi, Ronnie. How's it going? Hi, good. How's it going with you, baby? It's going fabulously. Today we're talking Married to Medicine. Before we get into that, only a few days left to watch the replay of The Golden Crappies and then it's gone forever. Go check that out by going to watchrecrappens.com. There's a link there with Kizwi and you can check it out there. watch it, watch it with your friends, have a viewing party, have fun with it.

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3:12Ben Mandelker: We could probably get away with not recapping it last week. because it's been rough and it's been so rough that I went on to Twitter over the weekend and marriage medicine was trending for, for, for hitting a rough patch right now. I personally think it's been a good season, but this couple's trip, I think it's time to retire the couple's trip on this show. It's like, it's, it's like, it's not even a couple's trip anymore. It's just, I mean, it is a couple's trip, but like, there's no, like, it's just, I don't know. Nothing happens on these couple's trips. It drives me nuts. I hate to be so negative at the top of it on a season that I've been positive on, but it's been rough going.

3:48Ben Mandelker: What about you, Ronnie? What do you think?

3:50Ronnie Karam: Well, I enjoy Married to Medicine for the most part, always. You know, I've seen every episode of this show. And so I always really like it. I think this season is just rougher because it's so many new people and they're younger. And so they're not connected to the group really in any way. And so it's rough. Like Brandy, you know, Brandy's like, what are these people even talking about? You've got that. Then you've got Angel who's dating some guy who's not even indoor. Nobody really cares about that. And then you've got, you know, Mimi's kind of coming through a little bit towards the end. She's finally getting something going on as far as, you know, an argument with Toya next week in the season finale.

4:23Ronnie Karam: But it's taken a long time. And then, you know, then you've got the other ladies. I think where it really falls down in the couples trips is that it's the husbands. Like, I don't watch the show for the husbands. I know it's called Married to Medicine and it's about couples. So, you know, obviously I get that. But Eugene whining. I mean, this two episodes has been Eugene being a drama queen. curtis making shitty comments like i don't care about the guys i care about the women so i don't want to hear from these old-fashioned loser men who are you know one of them's fighting his wife battles eugene and also he's on the wrong side of the history history because his wife is toya you can't go tell everybody to have their wives be nicer first of all we don't control our wives sir like what kind of world do you live in being like get control of your woman which is really gross.

5:09Ronnie Karam: And then you've got Curtis spouting off about the Bible when he cheated with someone 30 years his junior and is now Bible bleeding on the show. Like, I don't want to hear from the men. So I don't know. Keep it about the women. Cause when it's the women getting messy at a scrubs fashion show or getting messy about the med charity, I think that's great. But this stuff, get out of here, Eugene. Go back to your two green eggs.

5:32Ben Mandelker: I know. And I think that like the couple's trip, they like it the the show sort of grounds to halt because they're like oh now we have to have a moment where we play a game and now we have to discuss this and like like we're gonna have like a weird game show and it's like it feels like we're not having organic interactions suddenly we're like in a very produced moment that happens the entire trip and so we don't the show doesn't need that that you have such good characters and like such raw talent on the show i actually think all the newbies are great um i love dr mimi i really do but like we don't need to like you said there's too much too much husbands too much sitting and listening to like questions of like so does your husband like potato chips you know and it's like i like why are you doing this to us you know last year obviously a couple strip was you know was kind of was more exciting well that was lit last year was crazy but they had exception i mean they had to really go throw

6:29Ronnie Karam: each other under the bus for that one because it's like heavenly inviting phaedra's ex-husband there with his new wife and then you know you got all this crazy going on but when it's just them when it's just the core cast they're all respectful of each other's marriages now because they've almost ruined each other's marriages multiple times and so now they've got some kind of pact where we're not going to talk you know we're going to let contestants scott just pretend they're the happiest couple in the world now and we're going to have heavenly and damon pretend they have a perfect marriage. They don't, they're not going to talk about their kid, which I don't blame them.

7:02Ronnie Karam: But if it is couples therapy, then you would be talking, you know, Simone who doesn't want to throw the couples trip because things have been so bad with her husband. Nothing's they're not going to talk about there. So if you guys aren't going to do it, like you're going to still have these couples trips and couples therapy, but you're not going to really do it. Then don't waste our time with it.

7:18Ben Mandelker: You know? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It's just, um, it's just, uh, I just, I feel like it's just like not moving the story forward. Like there's some seasons when it's like, oh there's like a lot of like real like couple stuff you have to get into but it's just sort of like no one really i don't feel like anyone really needs this yeah toya and eugene have been a little chippy simone and cecil have some issues but like the the thrust this season has been other stuff and then to sort of grind it to a halt and be like now let's let's see how the couples are doing it's just i don't know but even if you're going to make us do couples therapy

7:51Ronnie Karam: then we need to talk about what you've shown on the show i mean couples therapy okay king you know Simone goes up to King at one point and says, you're a chauvinist, so don't be a chauvinist, or whatever. Do that in couples therapy. Quad, you're dating a guy, you're trying to have a baby at 50 with a guy we think is a chauvinist pig. There's one. Or Toya and Eugene, you're pretending to be the perfect couple, but Toya, we saw you berating your husband publicly, and Eugene, you were screaming at your wife at a party. What was that? Ask those questions. That would get it going.

8:23Ben Mandelker: Yeah. And if you're going to do a coupleship with therapy, like make it like real therapy or like a try it at like a TV therapy, but it's always kind of like silly games. And then you had a guy this episode who was like, he's doing a team building exercise. He's like, okay, all right. Uh, 30 year over there, 30 year relationship. What have you, what do you know about this? I was like, what is this? So it just was so like, it was so uninteresting. It was like, so on, like, if you're going to, if you're going to get to the root of issues, then do it for real, but then don't do some weird, like gamey thing and, and just be like light and nothing.

8:59Ben Mandelker: Like, let's try to do something. So that's why it's like, I think people are really pushing back about that because it was a whole thing over the weekend. And then Cecil chimed in and cause now people are saying like, Oh my God, this season has been so bad. And Cecil's like, well, he goes real talk. Well, what, what would you guys all want? Would you guys want us all arguing the entire time or like trying to show like real growth or whatever? It's like, you don't have to argue the whole time but what we want are like real like real interactions and real connection and sort of like real storylines and the couple trip is just where all that stuff goes to die so I just hope that going forward I'm not saying the show needs a reboot at all because again I've enjoyed the season but I think I would love it if we like started to move away from the couple's trip being the climactic thing of every season

9:44Ronnie Karam: yeah they're just gonna avoid everything you know and Cecil we're not we don't want you You know what I mean? Like, you're a fun ancillary character, but it's not about you. It's about the women. So be quiet. All the men, be quiet over there. I don't need to hear any of y 'all. It's time for a commercial.

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12:59Ronnie Karam: Now we're in, we're still in Jamaica. They're doing the, they're arguing about, okay, the men are on the beach. The women are on rafts. The men are arguing because Eugene is mad that people are mean to Toya because Toya is trying to be in charge of this med ball gala. Toya has never wanted to pay for the med ball gala and hasn't. And now that she's in charge, she wants everyone else to pay. And I think that's unfair. I think Toya, if she wants people to pay, then she should say, OK, well, last year I was supposed to give three thousand dollars. I didn't give it. So I'm going to give three thousand dollars extra and discount the the people who did pay last time or something.

13:36Ronnie Karam: make some kind of amends, but she's not. Eugene didn't pay it either. And of course, he's not bringing that shit up in his fight. He's just mad that Heavenly keeps spouting off to Toya. Well, Toya is always spouting off to Heavenly too. So he can't really win one there, but he's trying to have a fight with Damon about it because he feels he went up when Toya and Heavenly were fighting. The men were separated and he came into the fight and was like, I will not have my wife spoken to like this. You just spoke to her like this a few weeks ago.

14:05Ben Mandelker: yeah he's all upset so last episode the main thing was that they they had like a dinner which was fine and then um they started talking about the med ball they're like real quickly let's talk about the med ball and basically people were getting mad at toya and her leadership a cat jumped up on the table by the way which i enjoyed but also kind of gross because it's their dinner but um and so they were kind of like you know heavenly was going at toya and so eugene came over and he was like you gotta leave toy like don't don't engage with this blah blah blah blah so now he's mad uh because he heard that someone said we want toy to be in charge to see it fail and i'm like i don't think anyone wants this this endeavor to fail because they all have skin in the game it's like their thing it's important to them they are doctors i think it's more like they want toy to be in charge so she can see how easy it is to fail because it's really hard to do and but

14:56Ronnie Karam: he's heard it i think in some other way and he wants her to they want her to understand when When you're in charge and nobody's cooperating with you or giving you the money that you need to get it going, that it sucks.

15:06Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Yeah. And she should see that, honestly. I mean, I'm sure Heavenly probably said, like, I want to see her. I want to see Toya fail at it. Because, you know, Heavenly is acerbic like that. But, like, I think the core of it is Toya just thinks, like, oh, I'm going to give some wine and that's good enough. stuff and actually when you're putting together like a big you know party of a gala even if it is like a made for tv gala there's like a lot of moving parts and it's like really frustrating when someone who is like a big part of it is only gonna throw in like a case of wine yeah so damon's like

15:38Ronnie Karam: well the bottom line is this either we're all going to do the event and pitch in and help or we're not so that's it and so damon's like yeah this is like a few days away right why are we talking about this like we need to fund this party the party is in like three days so eugene is saying well my wife's put so much hard work into it and it's charity and it started in a nice formal way and king's like well why are we talking about what the women are bickering about like shouldn't the women handle it and we could have some fun i mean let them do it wow i can't believe

16:12Ben Mandelker: simone accused him of being chauvinist later um so curtis is like well my wife and i had a conversation and I told her that I'd ask the guys if we would contribute to the cause cause Eugene said he would. And I am as well. We're all going to contribute. And Scott's like, we're going to contribute. And Carl's like, we're going to contribute. And then King's like, and then Steve was like, guys, guys, guys. All right. I'm just going to say it. I'm out. I'm not doing it. I already have a scholarship that goes to the Morehouse school of medicine. We're not doing it. And honestly, like I really was, I really appreciated Steve saying this.

16:42Ben Mandelker: And it's funny because we're both like making fun of Toya for only contributing some wine. And then Steve is like, I'm out. I'm not going to contribute anything. I'm like, good for him. But I think in my mind, the difference is that Toya thinks she's actually doing something. She's actually contributing as much as everyone else. And Steve is like, basically, you guys did this whole thing. You never even asked for my wife's input. And by the way, I think some of it too is like, you also did this whole like couple therapy thing and didn't have my wife run it. And she's a psychiatrist. and then you just want her just to pay money for something that she has like no say in and she's just like, she has to do it because she's like a newbie.

17:19Ben Mandelker: And by the way, she's not even a newbie. This is her second year. So it was like, no, it's disrespectful. We're not going to pay.

17:24Ronnie Karam: Yeah, you don't include her and then you want her to pay for it. So he's like, no. And she won't say anything, but I'm offended. So no, we're not going to pay. I like that. And so they're like, okay, well, fine. So they're like, okay, is Damon in? He's like, I've already been in. And Curtis is in. and so they're moving on so eugene's fine now so now we see the ladies on the rafts and um toy's like oh we're gonna get a lab stole massage you ready baby are you ready are you ready well i don't want to do it but contessa can do it and so contessa's like jackie's never been touched she's a 60 year old virgin well yeah since she never does before and heavily's like she's getting

18:04Ben Mandelker: her foot massage this little this little piggy went to the market this little piggy stayed home this little perk piggy said you better pay something for the galatoya so

18:16Ronnie Karam: meanwhile some pretty ladies come up to the ladies on or to the men on the beach like would you like some sexy massages boys like whoa don't tell my wife yeah and scott's like curtis you better stick with the knee down knee down only curtis and he's like whoa scott's taking his shirt off and scott's like yeah i'm stressed i had glaucoma massage my wiener he's so they're

18:41Ben Mandelker: all getting their massages because this is another thing with the the couple's trip it's like let the guys do something else and there's women around who are temptation like there was that time remember that woman was like grinding up on damon and i was like there was a lady on damon so they've all got a chance. So Heavenly is like, Daddy, you didn't get a massage, did you, Daddy? You know, you didn't get a daddy? Because Damon doesn't get massages unless I find them as his forearm, so he definitely didn't get a massage, right, Daddy? And then it comes to him just getting a full-on massage.

19:13Ronnie Karam: So then the other ladies, we got a Contessa, and she's talking to Angel about what they're going to do later, and they're going to have couples therapy, guys, and Toya is going to run it. And they're asking Angel if she's going to participate, because Bernard showed up randomly and she's like i did tell bernard i was coming on this trip but he didn't say he was coming and then i'm here and he surprises me by coming like weird and then he got there and she was like hey and he's like well i don't even know what we're doing here and like you're here on a couple's trip you don't even have me here she's like uh are we here fighting because we're like not even dating like what are you what are you mad about you're in jamaica lighten up You're on a free trip to Jamaica through the show.

19:56Ronnie Karam: So lighten up, buddy.

19:57Ben Mandelker: This Bernard thing is just lazy storytelling. I mean, they, this guy was in one scene several weeks ago during one of the more boring episodes of the season when they had like this family reunion and you know, he's been alluded to and then they, they bring him on last week as if like, Oh my God, Bernard is here. And he's like, Hey guys, got room for one more on the band. And it's like, Oh my God, are they going to accept Bernard? I'm like, we don't even know who this person is. like why have you not like seeded the season with more bernard scenes i know he got on the man he got on the man bus on their way to their thing and people are like i'm sorry who are you and he's

20:34Ronnie Karam: like oh hey i'm bernard and then he just sits in the back seat like kind of upset like his energy is just so weird like what are you doing here yeah it's like it's just a very strange thing

20:48Ben Mandelker: So then Eugene is like, we can't leave Jamaica with what happened last night. People being disrespectful. People feeling like they have to remove themselves from the group because they're getting upset, which was me. Tonight has to go better than last night. It has to. So then Quad is like, Ladybugs, all the beautiful girls, I want to pose a question. Who here has a perfect relationship? Raise your hand. I do. I do.

21:14Ronnie Karam: Me and Daddy do. Me and Daddy do. Perfect. perfect all the time

21:18Ben Mandelker: meanwhile they're like on these like little raft things in the middle of like brown water and like getting the like manicures and quad's like I would like to have a moment to talk about our relationships I was like can you just get your get your pedicures can we like talk about the relationships on like some loungers on dry land thank you

21:35Ronnie Karam: so um Contessa's like well quad you want to talk about it so what's the biggest challenge in your relationship and she's like hold on I'm gonna be so vulnerable right now with you ladies Quad, a king wants me to be there for him, to cater to him. Well, I don't cook every night anymore. I used to cook a lot, but I got burnt out. Well, why does he get all the wife benefits when you aren't his fucking wife? What is he? If he doesn't want to marry you, he gets you berets.

22:05Ben Mandelker: I'm not even pressed to be a wife right now. The man has asked me before to marry him, and I thought it was BS. I was out here playing. I was thinking about all the superficial shit with men that doesn't even matter because we were at his condo. And then it's like, he's like, we could just run up to the courthouse right now. And I didn't think it was real. I really wasn't rejecting him. I just wanted to plan more of our lives. But the energy after he just sort of shut down on me. I'm like, I don't feel like she should be meant to feel bad that she like didn't take this one golden opportunity that King gave her to go elope.

22:42Ben Mandelker: when she maybe wants like a proper wedding. I don't think like if she feels bad about that, which I'm not sure she's saying that, but if she does, she shouldn't.

22:50Ronnie Karam: Exactly, like propose and go have a wedding or at least a party. But like how special do you make someone feel when you're just like, well, I guess we could just go to the courthouse right now if you want to. I mean, I guess like, uh, thanks. Great. So, and yeah, she seems to be feeling bad because she's like, that was my chance. And I didn't even know because I was expecting superficial things from a man. you know like a ring or an engagement or no it's not superficial it's how it's done so she's like well i just wanted more structure and you guys you get me at my most vulnerable here it is all my vulnerability out on the table i'm so vulnerable they're like yes quad yes you're being very

23:32Ben Mandelker: vulnerable congratulations quad hello this is uh river mimi speaking um what do you want out of this relationship i want a family i want to be the head of our family and i want this man i want his children and i want him to stop eating out of my takeout containers order your own food for once

23:51Ronnie Karam: but then uh why don't you stop talking about a baby and start talking about marriage she's like i'm 50 toya and she's like i'll talk i'm talking about what i want like i don't care what you guys want for me i want the baby okay that's what i want so that's why i'm talking about that So now it's thundering and they have to go. So then Cecil and Simone are in their room and they're talking about the good day. And he's like, wow, we had a great day today, babe. We got some ladies to come over and give us massages. And that's why my legs are shiny. She's like, well, we got massages too. He's like, well, did they massage your booty?

24:32Ben Mandelker: I wish they would have massaged my ass, baby. so then they start to arrive now it's time for dinner on the beach again so toy's like this is our last night here and i felt like neon lights was a great theme cause what says couples therapy than like blazing blaring neon lights that say things like exit or get out why would you put neon lights as the theme for your couples therapy dinner party i just don't get it so she says we've got a cute little bronzy town yeah this is great the men go a little white so they all show up and they're all you know going to the buffet and then they're all you know like eugene's asking quad how the rafting went they're just sort of making small talk about the the stuff that they did earlier

25:18Ronnie Karam: today yeah and um eugene's like toya you said your guy's name was ham hock she's like uh ribeye because i knew it was some kind of meat the game okay we need we need the guys on one side and the girls on another so give a round of applause for my co-host toya it's game time so they're all going to be asked questions and then they have to type in names on their phone and hold it up on their heads or whatever to give the answer of the person classic therapy i mean this is what you go to med school

25:53Ben Mandelker: for right like this is when you get your license the first thing you have to do is essentially do the hey who in this group is most likely to run a red light and they put their head up yeah if you can if you know how to moderate that game you're basically a therapist so uh eugene's like okay he's like okay ladies who's more likely to give unsolicited advice to the group for the men so they all put eugene's name up and i think he was not expecting that it's like i didn't give any of

26:23Ronnie Karam: you advice and story's like you are in the middle of everybody's issues stop it so whose issues uh whose disagreements are likely to turn into a full-blown fight and um people are like me and scott just writes boat they're like boat what does that mean and then we see a clip of

26:46Ben Mandelker: simone yelling at scott on a boat and he's like i'm not gonna say her name i'm just saying there's that lady who screams on a boat who on the lady side is most likely to call out the wrong Liddler exacts everybody writes Toya

27:07Ben Mandelker: I know Eugene's name

27:09Ronnie Karam: Eugene, David

27:16Ben Mandelker: so then Toya

27:20Ronnie Karam: I can't believe nobody voted for Curtis. These people really respect Jackie to not everybody say Curtis. Yeah, seriously.

27:27Ben Mandelker: That is 100 % correct. Thank you, everyone. That was the end of couples there, hopefully. You can go back with your significant others. Eugene's like, wait a second. Twists. It's what America's wanted. This time, we're going to do some breakout sessions where the guys are going to stay here and they're going to talk to a counselor named David. The women are just going to go off to the side and just wait for us. It's like, okay, great. Can't wait for this. So it's kind of weird. No, what is this?

27:56Ronnie Karam: Men therapy? What is this? Cause these men are all scared.

28:00Ben Mandelker: They're all scared of therapy, which is hilarious. Cause this is a show about like doctors and, but all the doctors are like, I don't need therapy. Like you're literally going to different communities and bringing medicine with you, which is wonderful. And yet you're scared to like engage in mental health therapy, mental health, you know, medicine essentially. So yeah. So yeah, they're going to have to have therapy and they're not looking forward to it.

28:25Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So Contessa's like, Scott, you can cry if you need to. Don't forget, I threw a vacation. And Eugene is like, you know, the guys are always on the side of the couple's trips and we feel neglected and we want to talk about how we feel. And Simone's like, oh boy. So they kick them off to the side and now it's time for some boy therapy so this guy comes out and he's like hey hey hey welcome to therapy yes jamaica therapy can i get some numbers how long have we been married okay five minutes 29 years wow 28 years that's good can i get a 30 can i get nobody's other 30. okay

29:07Ben Mandelker: by the way before the women fully walk off simone this is what i was talking about before simone leans into King's ear and she goes, by the way, tap into your side that's less chauvinistic and more expressive. He's like, wait, wait, hold on. There's nothing chauvinistic about me. She goes, everything about you is chauvinistic. Tap into your less chauvinistic side.

29:27Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so why aren't you doing that when you're all together? That's what I want to hear, this discussion, you know?

29:32Ben Mandelker: I just love it. It was like out of nowhere, this little like Simone Reed on the King.

29:36Ronnie Karam: Yes, I loved that. So they start the therapy thing and Cecil's like he goes oh so you've been married 28 and Cecil's like no no come on 29 that last year was hell we earned that last year so then we cut back to the ladies and Heavenly's like okay ladies be honest about your husband when y 'all look at a motherfucker at night do you ever think about slapping the shit out of him

30:03Ben Mandelker: cause there's not a night that I look at that motherfucker and be like knock him clean the fuck out I'm getting knocked on the clean the fucker Someone's like I am scared I will wake him up

30:18Ronnie Karam: She's like just turn over like you didn't do it Anybody anybody okay my next question Do you all have dreams And they're like about what You know about knowing another man Biblically

30:31Ben Mandelker: Toya's like I do I do I do It's like oh you wonder why everyone's like We think that Toya will call out someone else's name

30:40Ronnie Karam: uh so they're joking that uh she has a she's on only fans in her mind she's like i've never heard of an only fans okay i wanted i would rather see jackie on jackie's toes on only fans i think she'd make more money than me on only fans so they're talking about jackie's pretty toes and then contessa tells us you know she wants to be on only fans because she has a plus size fit a plus size foot. Yeah.

31:03Ben Mandelker: She's like, I'm always looking for a way to make a little extra money. I'm like, yeah, because you sunk all your money into that like money pit of an office building. She's like, I think$39.95 is not asking too much per month. That's a lot, but you know what? Try it. See if someone will pay it because it might work. So then Tori's like, okay, guys, what do you think is the one thing that is like real deal in your relationships that you're like, look, if I can fix this, we're good. Simone's like, hmm, well, Well, I think the one thing I could fix would be if Cecil would finally leave. No, she actually says, I think that she's like, I verbally beat down my husband more than he's deserved.

31:41Ben Mandelker: All because I had a different way of thinking than all because he has a different way of thinking than me or a different thought process. And so I've had to work on that. Right. So if the one thing that we could change would be if I could stop yelling at him. But, you know, what she's probably thinking is the one thing I would change would be if Cecil were stopped being such an idiot all the time and I wouldn't have to yell at him.

32:00Ronnie Karam: Yeah, exactly. And so Tori is like, well, but we know that you didn't want to throw the trip this time with your husband. So how could we support you? And she's like, well, you know, me and Cecil, we're in a much better place because of communication and talking. And, you know, some days I have a softer tone than others. And I'm smart enough to know, you know, you have to try different tones on different days, which I liked. she's like okay i can chew him out but not two days in a row because then i just look like a bitch so i'm gonna do it just you know i'm gonna lighten it up one day i'll be nice and then i'll

32:38Ben Mandelker: chew him out on wednesdays okay yeah wednesday is yell at cecil day yeah so um over at the men's session let's see what's going on with our therapy so david the therapist is like okay my my friend who's 28 yeah this is where cecil's like don't make sure i don't lose that one year so david's like okay the flame you know the love is there still love he's like yes i am blessed and eugene is like is there somebody on this earth for everybody because i really think i was literally built to deal with toya bush harris i tell her sometimes in arguments there's nobody else that's going to deal with you and steve's like we're so lucky though because we found our person and you

33:21Ronnie Karam: know if you can find the one person that's right for you amongst billions and billions of people you know how lucky are you how lucky are you and so then we go back to the ladies and mimi is saying that she has a great marriage but you know the main struggle is having a child who is on the spectrum and you know part of that is grieving the expectations you have for your child and she goes through this big thing with everybody which you know they're all like crying as they listen and she's like and you know then i send my kid out into the world and you know as my as his mother how do i protect him from people who may just not understand it yeah and it's it's really difficult

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35:46Ben Mandelker: Offers valid for a limited time. Terms and conditions may apply. Back to Steve. He's like, he starts talking. He's like, you know, when it comes down to it, we have this sense of false masculinity that we were taught from a little boy. Like, don't show weakness. Don't show vulnerability. Don't wear anything other than Louis Vuitton. don't cry you know and how much money can you make and how much how much how many women can you sleep with and how good are you at a sport and those are what define you you know all the

36:14Ronnie Karam: other guys like yeah totally yeah what's wrong with that yeah and yeah it's like and i got caught up in that and i don't work like that and um david is saying okay i like that you know everybody's has different levels different levels different stages you know 29 28 28 years 29 years okay what do you guys have that keeps it going for so long? And Damon's like, well, we've been through stuff and we argue, but I'll be honest, I'm probably at a tougher point in my life than I've ever been, but I think what really keeps us together is consistency. For example, I wear scrubs every day, everywhere. And so if she's ever upset with me, I'm like, but are you upset with me today or are you upset with me five years ago when I was in the same outfit?

37:02Ben Mandelker: and he's saying that like he's like going through it right now because he misses his son he hasn't seen his son in forever because of everything that went down and he's like this would be the time where if someone was my enemy they wanted to see whether i would do something horrible try me now that's just where i'm at try me now because you know i'm maintaining because you can't let your situation how you feel make you lash out and do something stupid so you lose everything you Sorry for yelling, guys. So mad. But at this point, I'm just not going to sit here and lie about it and saying everything's cool.

37:35Ben Mandelker: It's not cool.

37:37Ronnie Karam: Whoa, it's upset. Let me at him. Let me at him. So then we go to Heavenly, and she's talking about how she's worried about her kid. And Simone's like, you know, I worry about my kids. I lay awake wondering if Michael Whitmore is alive. And then I check his Tesla that I bought him to see his location.

37:58Ben Mandelker: Yeah, seriously. Yeah, I'm the bitch that, I'm on my phone. I'm like tracking. I'm like tracking a bitch. She's like, me too. And Angel's like, but you know what? As they say in the Bible, at some point, you've got to put down the find my, okay? We got to raise them up. We got to allow them to trust in God and let them go. And they're like, yeah, no, shut up. Like my son is like, my son does not reach out. Let's not talk to me. This is not about like letting go. this is about the fact that like i haven't seen my son in several months and i want him to come home

38:31Ronnie Karam: yeah well heavenlies is but simone's like i'm just worried so it's getting all blended in there um but angel's kids are still too young like they're not driving yet they're not you know obviously out and independent yet so she doesn't get it from that point of view and so contest is like oh by the way angel is um bernard having a good time and she's like i don't know i didn't ask you i know everybody what does bernard think so she's like yeah i didn't ask him and contesta says what do you mean you didn't ask and mimi is like so um this is still river mimi talking so he pulled you up in a he pulled up on you in a foreign country and said let me go see her and you didn't ask how he was feeling and angel says i think bringing us together was

39:16Ben Mandelker: amazing you know and to invite him as a friend i think that was amazing too so you know and they're So you open? She's like, well, I'm not that open. Wait, you're not that open? Well, I think that after this weekend, it's best for me and Bernard to remain friends based off of all the nothing you saw between the two of us. I'm like, wait, what happened? What happened that he got friend zoned? He flew over to the strip for you so that way you would have a storyline for your TV show.

39:42Ronnie Karam: Because he comes and he's in a bad mood and he's trying to start. Like, well, what are we even doing here? when are we on a couples trip and you're going to come on a couples trip without me and she's like oh my god why am i why are we arguing you're we're not even a couple you won't even ask me to be your fucking girlfriend and now you're like giving me attitude on this trip yeah i think that um it's

40:05Ben Mandelker: obviously she's not obligated to like him just because he made a big gesture but i'm just kind of like there's been nothing like that i haven't i didn't see anything that went went to arrive but i guess they did have that conversation last week which i must have forgotten about while i was dozing

40:17Ronnie Karam: off watching the show yeah because he shows up and then he's like well what are you doing the couple's trip and without me and she's like oh my god like you're not even asking me to be your girlfriend and now you're pissed off that i'm on a couple's trip without you i mean and also it's a trip that's paid for by production you know what i mean so if he really wants to make a grand gesture it's not showing up to her shoot to be on tv it's like taking her on a trip and being like will you be my girlfriend i've loved you forever you know let's do this or let's get married or whatever but he's just like and she has to take care of him and i think she's like i don't need

40:51Ben Mandelker: to take care of some whiny fucking man you know i don't blame so of course cadessa's like okay well that's nice and everything can we invite him to the med gala because we need some donations angel's like uh-uh you're not going to use my people to get money no way so back to the men

41:09Ronnie Karam: Curtis is like let's put King on the hot seat I want to get to that one and so they're like what are your intentions King and he's like well put it this way we're on our own journey and we're doing it at our pace and uh you know basically sometimes I'm on the journey and sometimes I just want to get out of the car but it's like a journey you know okay well do you think she wants to be married he's like well in regards to that I mean you guys are pressuring me more than she is she

41:35Ben Mandelker: doesn't really care yeah and um and he's and chris is like well think about one thing you guys are trying to go through the process of having a kid and you want to think about doing things decent in an order he's like um it can't be in an order because of our age and i think it's common sense for all of us he's like yes but i'm talking about it from a biblical standpoint oh you guys are

42:01Ronnie Karam: This is when I just start openly booing in my house. Fuck off, Curtis, you fucking hypocrite.

42:08Ben Mandelker: This guy, right? So now he's like, well, you guys are living together and you're playing husband and wife, which means you're already going to hell. Because hello, I don't see a ring on that finger. And you're not married. And in the Bible, that's a no-no.

42:22Ronnie Karam: Oh, Jesus loves PT cruisers and fucking cheating on your wife with someone 30 years younger than you, you fucking loser. oh what an asshole i hate this guy i hate this guy why is jackie still with this fucking loser

42:36Ben Mandelker: of a man and since when was he like a bible thumper i mean he may have always been we just never saw the side and king is like oh he's a coach at a catholic school but i mean i don't know that that means you have to be a bible thumper but yeah king's like we're not gonna weaponize the bible against me now that's what we're not gonna do which is like good for you

42:55Ronnie Karam: king he's like but we're talking about sex before marriage you're out of order they're 50 what are you talking about sex before marriage is like not even for adults it's like for people that was made like back and i mean give me a break are we gonna i'm not gonna argue the bible with fucking

43:13Ben Mandelker: curtis of all people and me you know it's all you know it's also out of order having sex with someone outside of your marriage during your marriage yes i would argue that's even more out

43:24Ronnie Karam: of order curtis yes and he's like well but you know those are medic those are medical complications not necessarily due to order and damon's like well let me just say one thing you know who's gonna cast the first stone though right so who's gonna cast he just cast it he just cast the first stone he's like you know i mean i don't have judgment you know because it's none of my business so you have to listen to me i'm in scrubs and curtis is like yeah it's like 2025 and we're doing it on our timeline. Well, I can't agree with that because faith has a lot to do with it. Oh, well, congratulations, Curtis.

43:58Ronnie Karam: You just got a better room in heaven. You fucking hypocrites. Shut up.

44:02Ben Mandelker: Better room in heaven. Yeah. You got a PT cruiser to drive from cloud to cloud. So King is like, I don't think Curtis is the right person to tell us God's order right now. He needs to do a little bit of self-reflection and hold himself accountable. You know, what's so funny is that they're actually being so polite to Curtis. None of them are saying outright like curtis is a hypocrite because he had an affair on dr jackie like no one's actually saying that and they're they're being quite friendly to him by doing that whereas curtis is fully you know preaching to them it's just absolutely great curtis who's the same person by the way who got all you know upset because toya kind of like brought this back on watch what happens live in the beginning of the season he's upset that toya would deign to talk about his affairs and yet is perfectly happy to weigh in on king and quad's relationship and get all high and mighty about it.

44:50Ronnie Karam: Exactly. Yeah. I forgot that, that Toya brought up his pulling her on his lap and shit too. So yeah, Curtis, yeah. No one easier. And then it gets worse because he goes, but doing the things that the way that God has prescribed it for us has a lot to do with it. And Steve's like, no, there's no perfect time. And Curtis is like, well, but you say you pray and you say you believe in God and you believe in this and all that, but God gave us rules. And so King's like, okay, but have you abided by all the rules? And he's like, well, absolutely not, you know, because we all sin daily, and then we ask for forgiveness, and we move forward.

45:24Ronnie Karam: And King goes, okay, well, I asked for forgiveness this morning, and I'm going to ask for forgiveness right now for what I'm about to do tomorrow morning. So, yeah, I'll stay ahead of the game. Didn't Curtis say in this something like, you know, maybe something to do with her not getting pregnant is the order in which you're doing this? I could have sworn that he was hinting.

45:46Ben Mandelker: He sort of implied that like he implied that. Yeah, that if you got married first and then tried to have a baby, like you'd be more successful somehow.

46:00Ronnie Karam: Yikes. So now we go to the ladies and Heavenly is like, OK, well, Quad, we all know that you've been traumatized. And that's all I really need to say. Go on, Quad.

46:11Ben Mandelker: Oh, thank you for saying the T word. it's tough to not give kids not when you when you were out when you're of means and it's very difficult to not give someone you love the things that not only they need but it's what i want and so i'm in a space right now where i am breaking myself down i'm like what you've been in that space for about 12 years now it's like everything is like ma 'am would you like a salad or fries I'm just breaking myself down. I'm so vulnerable for that question.

46:41Ronnie Karam: So they're like, Quad, do you trust your feelings? And she's like, I trust myself most certainly. And Contessa's like, well, I mean, specifically about your decisions and relationships. And she's doing that. When Contessa squints, she's like, okay. Did we go poo-poo in our pants? Did we? It's okay. You can tell mommy. and Quad's like, I make proper decisions. I mean, I do have aha moments. Aha! Light bulb moments, as they're called. You know, like, well, I wasn't expecting for it to go that way, or he really did just take a dumpling off my plate, or wow, he really said that. I do have those moments.

47:20Ben Mandelker: Then Hevelin just goes, well, he needs you. You don't need his ass. That's my thought. I'm sorry. I will, you know, he will disappoint you at some point, Quad. Everybody in the world, any relationship that you're in they're going to disappoint you in some way except for daddy but so my whole thing is so you love him enough for the times that he does because every motherfucker's gonna do it

47:43Ronnie Karam: and quad says well i i've been disappointed by him but i still love him and i'm sold i'm solid and that's what i want you to understand she goes okay back up back up okay i was just asking so quad's like i get where they're coming from you know and i tell them don't sugarcoat it with me and but it would hurt me beyond belief if the relationship did not work

48:07Ben Mandelker: so Quad is like the love and the relationship is strong enough that we're gonna get through the disappointment or you won't and you'll break up which is what eventually happens to you too but that's fine so back to the guys David guys are talking about

48:22Ronnie Karam: how they need to learn to reach out and ask for help from each other the guys we're guys and when guys are sad guys need to call guys because who else gets it but guys guys how do we reach out they're like i don't know should we text no that's dumb women do that should we call no that's gross okay let's reach out somehow okay

48:43Ben Mandelker: let's do it guys you guys are not stop it so um eugene and damon decide to to settle their their internet breaking feud and uh eugene is like damon you know you're a you're a hold it in kind of guy, but last night I'm a little bit more talkative than you, so I just want you to understand, I left yesterday to give myself a time out because I was getting really pissed, and my head was about to explode. Damon's like, I get it. So we're very similar, and we're similar in the fact that we want to protect our family, and I don't want to say anything bad. Damon's like, no, don't say anything about my son, bro.

49:21Ben Mandelker: I'm just saying, don't say anything about my son. You know, I've said it a bunch of times. Don't go there. I'm just being straight, okay? Sometimes in our group, people say stuff. Don't say stuff about my son and eugene's like i wasn't gonna say anything about your son i just yeah damon got like

49:33Ronnie Karam: worked up he thought they were gonna confront him about his son he's like do not talk about my son he's like whoa whoa whoa i'm not talking about your son i'm not talking about it he's like you better not and he's like no but i'm i'm not i'm like oh my god he's like i'm talking about last night i'm talking about your wife oh okay we can talk about he's like yeah last night she heavenly was being disrespectful to toy eugene do you watch this show toy is disrespectful and rude to everybody on this show. I cannot with Eugene acting like Toya is some saint. You're only mad that Heavenly said you had a tiny wiener.

50:07Ronnie Karam: That's the only reason you're mad. So just admit it and stop pretending you're sticking up for Toya. You want somebody to yell at Heavenly about your dick being small and Toya's not gonna do it and Heavenly's never gonna let up on it and Heavenly got that ammo from your own wife. So be mad at her.

50:23Ben Mandelker: Yeah. So they basically are like, whoa, we're men. Women are fighting about women things and we're men. So they sort of dap it out and they're like, everything's good, guys. Everything's good. So Steve's like, guys, I want to propose a toast to all you guys individually. Continue to be great. Continue to excel. Continue to get wrapped up in your false senses of masculinity. And by the way, King, when are you getting married? Just playing. Just playing.

50:49Ronnie Karam: So now they all come together and Eugene's like, honey, we got to thank everybody. Because what an interesting, fabulous couples trip. Eugene, this was a fail. and you were you were the leader you're fired you're fired from a couple strips yeah but heavenly in charge she'll call everybody who's fucked who's fucked with this couple all of these couples from from years past just bring back the mess yeah seriously um so then

51:18Ben Mandelker: toy's like the one thing i could say for the ladies is that we were over here and you guys never had to feel embarrassed they never looked at us crazy which by the way this whole sentence was like, I hated that. Like, look at us. We were good women. You never had to be embarrassed about us. So then I definitely goes, I wonder why? Which I don't know what that meant. But then Toya's like, we can come together and we can confide in each other and lift each other up. Secret St. James Montego Bay has been such a blessing. Thank you. Thank you for the commercial. We did that. Let's say goodnight, guys.

51:53Ben Mandelker: I'm like, I already say goodnight because I'm half asleep in this episode.

51:56Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so then we go back to Atlanta. We're with Scott and Contessa. And Contessa's doing dishes. And Scott's like, you're supposed to make the kids do that. And she's like, I can't clean fast enough. I need to clean. I need to clean. She's like, I love your new glasses, by the way. You're so metrosexual.

52:15Ben Mandelker: Wow, look at you with some glasses that have a little bit of style. Metrosexual? You basically should just put your dick into someone's ass. So then Mimi and her family are at a bounce house place. And they're having fun. And then Toya is giving her kids money for getting good grades. And we finally settle in on Quad and King. And they're going to have another domestic scene. And King is like, where are you heading? Where are you going? Wherever you're going, I'm just, that's just us. What are you drinking? Something that you're not drinking. You just got kinged.

52:48Ronnie Karam: So she's saying that Jackie's been texting her apology after apology because she found out what Curtis said in Jamaica to King. And she's like, for him to say the reason our IVF didn't work because we're not married? I mean, that is, what the hell? And, you know, that's crazy. And she's like, when did Curtis become a saint? And she says, you know, Jacqueline Walters didn't know a damn thing about it. And if she could read his mind, she would have just looked at him and said, shut up, be quiet.

53:20Ben Mandelker: Yeah, because Curtis is actually both being totally hypocritical, but he's also undermining Jackie's profession. You know, he's being like, oh yeah, well, if you got married first, then you can have your baby. And she's like, you know, Jackie is like on the side of science. And I was like, that's not how it works. And like, it's mortifying for her. Well, not mortifying, but like, I can see how she would be curious. Well, I'm sure it is mortifying.

53:43Ronnie Karam: Yeah, it's idiotic. How many people does she have? How many patients does she have that aren't married and waiting to do it? You know, it's like empowering somebody to be like, you can do this whenever you want, however you want. you know so um king is like well i mean everyone's talking about marriage but is it really necessary i mean it's like sometimes two companies may not need a merger you know they can thrive on their own and benefit each other and she's like watch yourself romantic i know and he's like well but i've thought about it and i've thought about it a lot i mean you said yourself i haven't been giving you what you deserve or what you need so what i need is consideration and appreciation oh god

54:22Ben Mandelker: she's like do you need a hearing aid all i do is give you praise there's never been one time when you've shown up for me i scream it to the top of my lungs ready to tell lady and everybody no that is a true statement he's like screaming it versus showing it two different things it's like okay well how would you like for me to show it to you the floor is yours how would you like me to show she is giving him a look like you fucker i do everything i let you eat all my food you get to live under this household under this roof and you're gonna actually make it seem like like like

54:55Ronnie Karam: i do nothing for you please yeah well he lives in his own house i think right he hasn't well either way but yeah i mean this guy this guy fucking whining and complaining all the time and she's like okay well how would you like me to show it king the floor is yours and he's like well but remember the last time we went to ghana the whole time we're there i'm there in support of you and because of what you're going through and then you're beating up on me acting like i was the enemy and she's like uh what he goes wrong or right she goes about what and he's like everything it's just tension and i look at it like damn you're ungrateful you see how that could come off

55:29Ben Mandelker: so she's like well i'm still working through some things and he's like yeah it's been a different it's a different type of year definitely been different she's well i'm still not trying to put you in the i'm not still trying to put you to the test i i like i'm not trying to do that and he's like like oh yeah like well you know that's you know it feels like a test and she's like but that's what's wrong with men now men are sassy now and he's like no rebuttals just keep on going and she's like well are you trying to be difficult right now and he's like i'm the one that's picking

55:57Ronnie Karam: up the pieces so it doesn't look like it i mean from here it looks like you're constantly trying to cause drama and fights on tv to have a scene king it looks like you're trying to be like a camera whore and trying to make some drama on this show that's not about you totally so she's

56:15Ben Mandelker: like don't count me short and don't count me small i go through a lot but i'm very strong and i'm very tough and again i always bounce back and i get better every single time so yeah this we know that this relationship doesn't work out and we can see it uh coming to an end on tv here so that's

56:33Ronnie Karam: where the episode ends yeah i was i was reading for them at the beginning that's a shame yeah i

56:39Ben Mandelker: actually was too i actually really liked king at first but i was like well he's got these chauvinistic elements here or there but maybe that can be sort of massaged out but unfortunately

56:48Ronnie Karam: it was just a harbinger of what was to come yeah all right well that's it for today people

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