#3255: Summer House S10E6: Hits and Missus

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2:51Ben Mandelker: And I haven't really been on the internet this morning. and I wanted to know, tell me what the vibe is that you're picking up on. Oh, I wasn't really on the internet.

3:00Ronnie Karam: I was just saying it's controversial because, you know, you have a hot, plain person like Ben, who everybody's like, oh my God, it's so hot. And the audience is like, oh my God, it's so hot. And then he inevitably has an episode where he's an asshole because it's Bravo. And so that's what happened. That's the trajectory of men on Bravo. So he had an episode where he was kind of an asshole. I mean, he wasn't completely wrong, but he was an asshole, I think, in how he went about it. And yeah, so you just know it's going to be a controversy.

3:32Ben Mandelker: Okay, good. I'm so glad to hear that. The reason why is because when I was watching the episode, I was like, you know, that Bailey's joke is pretty tacky. Like, that's just she's not really she doesn't know them in that way to be able to make that joke. Like, it was a bad joke. And, you know, I think he had a right to be annoyed and upset. but then when he was confronting her he wasn't yelling he was being pretty even-tempered but there was something about it i was like this guy's kind of being a dick right now now she also was like she was like she was like oh well you guys were making that joke so i made the joke she wasn't she wasn't really being the most like oh my my bad my bad she did but she wasn't the most but i still left it kind of feeling like god that guy kind of felt like an asshole to me I was like, he seemed just like, I was like, I feel like he unzipped and he like took out his exterior came off and we saw his inner asshole come out and all this talk about like, oh, I'm just so shy.

4:25Ben Mandelker: I get so uncomfortable when people talk about that. I'm attractive. I'm just a shy, nice guy. And then it's like, he had this like rage eyes. And I was like, is it just me? Did I pick up on that vibe?

4:36Ronnie Karam: So it sounds like, sounds like, you know, what kind of bugged me about it is that he knows Bailey likes him. like everybody knows bailey likes him it's not like she's subtle and so i feel like there's a way that guys kind of treat you when they find you attractive versus when they're not into it all and it's like when they find you attractive it's like kissing your ass and then when they don't it's like being mean and i feel like he was doing that it's like i'm not attracted to you so fuck off and he kept saying well what is what else is this about just tell me meaning obviously you like me in your gel so just say that if that's the problem and it just came off as gross like i didn't like how he he dealt with it and you're right i mean look when you're watching bravo and there's a man who's not screaming in a woman's face and calling her a bitch or something it's like oh my god what a gentleman part of the way because we're watching southern charm you know there's southern hospitality you know there's stuff like that where it's like wow what a gentleman he's not screaming in a woman's face but you know there was something just kind of gross about how he handled it and also like you're a little too angry and also obviously you do like amanda so that's weird and you're you know you're flirting maybe it's like bailey's not completely wrong i don't think so it just wasn't off and also another thing is is that he's been dating someone this whole time anyway he has a girl he's a faker he has a girlfriend off the show he's doing he's pretending he's single to be on the show so off man part of me feels like he's he was angry not

6:05Ben Mandelker: because he secretly likes amanda but i think that maybe he's cultivating like a nice guy image and when bailey makes that joke it implies that he's not such a nice guy because he's moving in on a married guy's wife and like well it's you know if you're not doing that if you're not moving in on a married guy's wife like you have a right to be offended by that joke like stop saying that on national tv that i'm trying to like break up this marriage but there's part but like his reaction sort of made it seem like there was something else on his end he's asking bailey what's this really about but it mad me asking what's this really about for you are you upset like that this is making you look like not a nice guy and you don't like that because you're trying to make america think you're a nice guy like something was off because i kind of felt like the normal reaction would be like hey bailey the joke that you made it really made me uncomfortable because you know i would never do that and i just would please i would love it if you just don't do that again and she'd be like oh my god i'm so sorry but instead he kind of came in like cross-examining her in a way that i thought just it rubbed me such the wrong way and i felt like the rest of the episode i couldn't look at him the same way i was like i feel like i've seen the real ben now and i see and to me i like see his eyes and i just see like meanness in his eyes now

7:24Ronnie Karam: yeah i don't like him either and yeah that doubt death protest too much kind of thing like uh Uh-oh, you're kind of showing your ass by being this upset about it. But also the lying about having a girlfriend thing. I think that's a big part of it because he's got a girlfriend. So he's like, don't make it look like I'm trying to sleep with this other girl. You're going to piss the girlfriend off that I'm pretending I don't have so I can be on this show to do basically nothing. So I don't know. He's kind of a wet dishrag to me. And he's not really that interesting. But now he's just kind of gross.

7:55Ronnie Karam: Now he's been kind of mean. So bye, Ben.

7:58Ben Mandelker: It just rubbed me the wrong way. And I hated, I have to say also, I hated that he came at her really hard for the joke. Again, we're not defending the joke, but he came at her hard. And then she's crying, and then she stays in, and I just felt like no one cared. And I thought that was shitty too. Levi was a good friend. Levi sacrificed valuable relationship-building time with her roommates because they barely have her on the show. And she stayed back with her friend. The two of them were in their bed. you know there was like a perfunctory check-in by the girls and then everyone just like left them and it was just like never discussed again for the rest of the episode and i kind of felt like

8:35Ronnie Karam: that was shitty too they're like i think they don't know i mean in their defense why am i defending this cast but in their defense i think that they just didn't really know because they weren't there for it like he didn't do it mostly on this show you would confront somebody right at the table but he waited and then went to her after alone and that no one heard screaming and yelling so i don't think really anybody knew they just thought well she made an ass out of herself at dinner and now she's crying because she got called out i think is how they're they're kind of probably looking at it like okay she's being a baby which she kind of maybe was i mean you know the other thing is like she's not completely but she's not completely blameless but then again it's summer house and people say shit like that all the time like why are you going to cry that someone's joking that you want to fuck amanda you're not the first one that they've joked that is in love with amanda so why are you acting like that and grow up you're on so i mean i don't like to be more immature you're on summer house you should be able to take this kind of a joke yeah i mean

9:32Ben Mandelker: if it were lindsey lindsey would be like i'm not gonna let this get in the way of me having a fun time like lindsey exactly out but i also understand bailey bailey was in this like really like yeah terrible relationship where the guy was super mean to her so yeah i guess she's gonna be like i don't know i just felt like i felt like there just was you know they clearly she stayed in you know and like i just like the next day it just was like no one was even like how are you feeling today how's it going it's true better like no one cared and i just thought that was so obnoxious and maybe that did happen and the show didn't show it uh which i also think was then maybe a bit of a miscarriage of bravo justice because the show then was like okay now let's go back to focusing on west and sierra which is you know nominally interesting you know i would much rather i was much more riveted by the bailey and ben situation than i was about west west who's just like quietly you know you know undermined jesse i mean jesse undermined himself like i'm not trying to make it seem like jesse was like owed anything in the situation but like west put out the word that he basically went and did like a like the game of thrones like the the guy little finger or whatever he undermined jesse's shot at sierra and then he moved in um but anyway i guess we'll always just get into it shall we yeah let's let's just get into but

10:55Ronnie Karam: also ultimately on on the bailey and ben stuff ben whatever but bailey is ultimately so much more entertaining than ben that i don't care if she's wrong or not what she did was not a capital crime and i stand for bailey because she's entertaining and ben you are not so get out of not you fucking he's not boring ass i agree 100 get rid of him i really am i really enjoy bailey

11:19Ben Mandelker: and levi i would like to see more levi in for the rest of the season and i hope they're not sort of just like pushing her off to the side and we never see her again well this show i mean if

11:27Ronnie Karam: you're not sleeping with somebody or trying to sleep with somebody on this show they have no place for you and that's just how this show has always been that's it's like it's a they pretend it's this show about friendship it's not it's a show about who you're gonna fuck that summer and And if you're not going to do it, they're not going to give you any screen time, which is why West is pretending that he's still into Sierra. And Sierra is pretending that either of these guys would have a chance in real life with her. And then Jesse is pretending that he because they know how to play it. You know, they know how to get their screen time.

11:53Ronnie Karam: And I'm not buying it, by the way. Enough, West. OK, so Summer House, season 10, episode six. The joke's on you.

12:03Ben Mandelker: and we're still in the middle of this conversation with jesse and sierra where sierra's basically told jesse like shut your face um and she was said how she was really upset by him and he has his like super frowny face on which is so funny when jesse's super frowny and he talks extra slow and like looks down and he's like oh did you see that

12:26Ronnie Karam: video of the guy that went viral who's imitating jesse it's so funny it's so good he's like hey bad bug and he just keeps him jumping on sierra he's like hey bad bug bestie bestie we're just besties want to kiss want to kiss it's so good so talented he does a perfect imitation of jesse but yeah jesse another person who does a perfect imitation of jesse is the video game sack boy i know if you've ever played it but when sack boy loses a challenge he frowns like that it's like

13:01Ben Mandelker: his face is like yeah yeah i think that like everyone talks about how big jesse's smile is but the the real star is his frown because his frown is so funny because it's so frowny it's like it really is like a video game character that's like something you know when you can assign an emotion to your me or something like that and he's just like and he's like well clearly there was a conversation here that needed to happen regardless of me saying this to Wes so I'm glad I'm having like just spit it out so he's like okay she's like yeah I'm glad we're having it and he's like yeah so many jokes that I could I could make but I'm not going to she's like yeah yeah have some self

13:46Ronnie Karam: restraint instead of making jokes thanks yeah so they pound it out not sexually but fistily and And then hug. And that's okay. So then we go to West. And Jesse walks in. And West is pretending like he was so worried about the conversation. He's like, oh, my God. Did it go good? Did it go bad? How did it go?

14:10Ben Mandelker: It was fine. It ended up being fine. And at this point, Jesse has put a towel on his head or something. He's hiding under fabric. And West is like, oh, wow. What's happened? he's like i just feel bad that like she's upset you know it's like that wasn't my intention i just wanted to make out with her and then like joke and laugh and then like not do it again you

14:33Ronnie Karam: know and west haha west just got the entire house to do his dirty work for him so he's like yes uh my little boy manipulation has won it's very much like getting your little brother in trouble

14:46Ben Mandelker: you know with your mom yep he totally like west was like a sneaky operator in this whole thing he totally i mean i don't know whether i should be like he's like sneaky or i should be like wow i'm just impressed that was great manipulation of the house you know like i would love that on survivor if someone did that on survivor i'd be like wow great player well he's learning because

15:08Ronnie Karam: if he had gotten in a fight with jesse about it then it would then cero would have been pissed at both of them and been like, oh, now you're fighting over me like I'm some prize, you know? So he kind of played it right where he just got everybody else to do the dirty work and he kept his hands clean, you know?

15:26Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Well, he got Lindsay to do it. He basically, he went and tattled to Lindsay and Lindsay's like, that's not all right. And he knew that Lindsay was going to go and like tell it to Sierra and not only tell it to Sierra, but tell it in the worst possible way to Sierra. And it worked. It worked like a charm.

15:40Ronnie Karam: Well, he got Lindsay finally, but he worked on that whole house. You give him credit. He worked on all the guys. He was working it left and right. But it worked, you know. And Jesse's like, oh, I'm attracted to Sierra. She's a beautiful person. And, you know, she doesn't want to be casual. And I just feel bad that I misread that, you know. I'm just so disappointed in myself. That was dumb. Yeah, poor Jesse. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crappens commercial.

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19:40Ronnie Karam: so they're talking about ben and she's like moral of the story it's been still single so she thought ben and dara were vibing last weekend that's a sure thing because he's ben who doesn't want ben but now that kj is dating dara now she has a moment with ben so it's time to put my flirting skills to the ultimate test and bailey is still kind of annoying me with her theater kid like i am going to try to flirt now this is my storyline yeah her flirting i'm gonna

20:12Ben Mandelker: put my skills to the ultimate test. And this is like one of those tests where the car goes flying off the cliff. Like, how does this car, how is it going to survive going off this cliff? Guess what? It is also shattered to pieces. The test failed yet again.

20:25Ronnie Karam: So they're like, oh my god, Bailey, this is your weekend. If this happens, I'm going to go home smiling ear to ear. She's like, sublime, sister. So now everyone's getting dressed for this wet.

20:38Ben Mandelker: Bad news for Mia. She will not be smiling ear to ear at the end of this weekend.

20:42Ronnie Karam: No. So now they all get dressed for dinner. It's Amanda's birthday dinner. And Amanda and Kyle are wearing this really weird pale yellow couples look. It's very like Lawrence Welke. And Kyle's like, hey, can we do a couples photo tonight? Because we've not done a couples photo all summer long. We've got to get a couples photo in there.

21:04Ben Mandelker: And Amanda goes, I look fucking fabulous. Which was like our opening song for the crappies. how about that and then uh they take their picture and everyone's like oh my god you guys look so good oh my god and then ben and amanda take a photo and then they all sit for dinner and they're having like martinis it's a fancy dinner everyone's dressed up and it's nice and classy and amanda's like thank you guys for getting dressed up kyle and kyle's toasting to her being 34 i'm like by the way i'm so glad that she's 34 because she still has so much ahead of her so much i forget how young amanda is sometimes so like good for you amanda you got out when when

21:48Ronnie Karam: the getting was good so much head ahead so jesse is thanking sierra for the dinner and amanda's like oh my god next weekend we'll have a full-on party for kyle's birthday but for me this is just what i wanted a simple dinner at home with my friends and bailey's like does anybody else miss carl

22:09Ben Mandelker: not really no i didn't even realize he was gone until she said that oh i'm in the mix in spirit in spirit but i'm mixing some soft drinks in brook london's that

22:22Ronnie Karam: hall um so carl's like all right listen as much as he'd want to be here he got such a tight timeline to get that thing open i mean you saw right ben you went to see it and ben's like i did see it it's still pretty raw right it's still pretty raw and carl's like i am still pretty raw Oh, but Lindsay was nice to me last weekend. So there's hope.

22:44Ben Mandelker: It's a win. It's a win. So Ben's like, now listen, I mean, he's got the main bar in. He's done a phenomenal job, says a lot of things about some sort of good guy clause. He's put in a lot of time and effort. And he's opening soon, soft launch. And, you know, I was asking about the investors and who's helping. And Jesse, you got involved, didn't you? And he's like, yes, I did invest. And Kyle's like, all right, all right. I know where this is going. Look, I joined the advisory board. My advisory said, I'm bored. Get it, everyone? No, but seriously, it's going to fail. It's soft drinks. I mean, it's like you just go to a 7-Eleven.

23:18Ben Mandelker: But no, seriously, though. Carl did ask me to invest, and I said, point blank, I just got half a million dollar check to Loverboy to literally meet my payroll. So I told Carl, look, bro, I love you. It's not personal, but I literally am on the hook financial for my entire business. I literally cannot pay for another single thing, and you won't see anything else for the rest of this dinner that would indicate that I could afford anything else. Thank you very much.

23:42Ronnie Karam: I was on the advisory board, though, and my advice was put alcohol in these drinks because these drinks suck. Also, I'm not giving you any money. And Jesse's like, but he invested in Loverboy, right? He's like, yeah, I mean, back in the day, back in the day, a long time ago, you know, he put$15 ,000 in, you know, a long time ago. It was a really long time ago, so it's totally different.

24:02Ben Mandelker: put 15 grand in and uh just want to remind everyone i paid his salary for a few years there even when he was high on coke and uh messing up meetings but anyway yeah what was your point again ben say please what do you think about this um i think kyle should have actually support i think kyle should have put some money into software i think it would have been the right thing to do i know he's on the hook i know he just put in a million dollars do another dj gig i don't know i kind of feel like i get it i probably think in car and kyle's mind he's sort of in the back of his mind he's like this is probably not the best idea and also you know yes yes he gave me fifteen thousand dollars but i did put him on my payroll for a few years i kept him i kept him going when things were falling apart for him so he's probably thinking that but that's it at least put in like 5 ,000 or something.

24:57Ben Mandelker: I don't know. I think it is your best friend. But then again, as someone noted online, maybe this is Kyle's revenge for being demoted down to flower boy in the wedding.

25:08Ronnie Karam: Oh, gosh, it all goes back to flower boy.

25:10Ben Mandelker: Jeez. What do you think?

25:13Ronnie Karam: I think that he's under no obligation to put money into Carl's stupid business. Okay. But I do think, you know, they are friends. Maybe he should have. But yeah, I do look at it from the point of view of, listen, Carl was unemployable. He was drinking, he was doing coke, he was a mess. That man employed him and gave him a job. And not only just a cushy salary, but also the traveling around, the doing all the events and all of that stuff. So I think Carl more than earned that back. He more than got that back. Probably enough to like invest in his own business, like leave that job and invest in his own business.

25:50Ronnie Karam: So I think that, yes, Kyle should have invested. I do. As a mensch. But I think what's bothering me about it is Carl turning it into another Carl victim storyline. Because if somebody else just said, hey, did Kyle invest? And Carl said, no, no, but he's busy or whatever. And then they said, Kyle, that's not cool that you didn't invest. That would be one thing. But it's that Carl's like, well, you know, it really hurt me that I invested in Kyle's business. And Kyle didn't invest mine. It's like, you want your friend to, it's like, shut up, Carl. Just shut up, Carl. Like, how much have you gotten from your relationship with Kyle?

26:25Ronnie Karam: So that's what bugs me about it. But I do agree that Kyle should have invested.

26:30Ben Mandelker: Yeah, it's kind of like, I think we're totally, totally in sync on this one. Like, if you really think about it, I think that probably what Kyle is saying, but doesn't want to see on camera because he already always looks so bad when he comments on these things, which is like, bro, I've put a lot of money into Carl. I've put a lot of money into Carl. Okay. But isn't the irony rich here that Ben is inserting himself into this complicated dynamic of these two that he really doesn't know very well, and yet he gets really mad at Bailey for them essentially doing the same with her joke?

27:05Ronnie Karam: Oh, I'm sorry. Don't bring the check because it's already been checked.

27:10Ben Mandelker: I know it's not exactly the same.

27:12Ronnie Karam: I'm waving the waitress away. We got the check. We got the check. We already got it.

27:16Ben Mandelker: I'm angry, though. it's not a perfect you know comparison but you know when I feel like a guy's being an asshole to a girl on these shows sometimes I don't care Justice you're in my court now and I make the laws

27:32Ronnie Karam: you just got dismissed so Amanda's like well Kyle you didn't invest in software at all did you? and Kyle's like no but I shared his crowdfunding campaign lol you shared his crowdfunding campaign if carl wants me to write a check for 15 grand okay fine i'm just like well i just think he's upset you were initially gonna invest and then you pulled out and then he sees you doing all these dj gigs i mean you know you're making money and you know carl's like a sensitive guy it's about like sentiment you know it's not like finances and Kyle's like, I feel blindsided. I'm blindsided. Yeah, you know, maybe I could not have been more clear.

28:17Ronnie Karam: You know, financially, I can't do it. Lover boy, letting people off. You know, instead of firing people, you know, I didn't support Kyle and bought my wife a$15 ,000 watch instead.

28:29Ben Mandelker: Yeah, exactly. So Kyle's like, I mean, if I'm putting more money into my business than he's putting into his, then he should understand literally, literal financial implications and Jesse's like yeah it sounds like you guys should have a conversation it's between you two yeah it is between the two of them which is funny why then therefore you and uh Ben have chimed in which is also very Carl is and it's very West too is to sort of like air it out to the other guys and hope it gets back to Kyle so I'm sure yeah that's what he's doing that's what he's doing

28:59Ronnie Karam: that's what bugs me about the whole thing well I think Kyle is in the wrong here I'm on Kyle's side because carl is just so annoying with his victim complex every season and every season it's like oh my god carl's so different now no he's not no he's not now his filter is just back up

29:15Ben Mandelker: he's better at it so jesse is like all right guys everybody has to say one nice thing about amanda

29:23Ronnie Karam: guacamole guacamole guacamole guacamole guacamole down the line yeah west is like um uh amanda since

29:33Ben Mandelker: i've known you you've like accomplished like so many big things from where you were like you said you were going to start a bikini line for women with big boobs and like you've done such a great job coming up with the fonts for that um so good job with that you got dogs you got dogs um i i heard that you got that 10th punch in your subway rewards card so congrats on that cool sub

29:57Ronnie Karam: yeah and you've been out of your shell and it's just like so fun to like watch you do shit non-specific shit and she's like that was so nice with things so mia's like you know sometimes people try to fit into a mold and by mold i mean tiny bikini tops but you broke that amanda it's like oh my god thanks so much and uh then Ben, he's like, well, I'm a big eyes and a smile guy. So I love. And Bailey's like, I was going to say, Ben's going to talk about how he wants to definitely sleep with you.

30:35Ben Mandelker: And then everyone's like, awkward. And Bailey's like, definitely knew he was going to go. I laughed. I mean, it was funny because it does sort of feel that way. And Ben looks so mad. And everyone's like, oh, my God. What the hell? Oh, my God. And Bailey's like, I know the story. I know. And then Wes's like, oh, my God. What the hell? Oh, my God. And Ben's like, oh, okay, nevermind. Zip it. She keeps doing this thing like, I'll zip my mouth. Zip it, zip it, zip it. So Ben's like, well, like I was saying, I'm a big smiling eyes guy. And I like the way you can walk into a room and you can brighten it with your smile.

31:11Ben Mandelker: And everyone loves it. And that's where I was going. Thank you, Bailey. He's like all deflated when he says it now.

31:15Ronnie Karam: He's like, yeah, like it was such an original thing to say. Like, wow, I'm saying you're beautiful. in a moment where everybody's like, Amanda, here's what I love about your personality, your heart, your determination, your will to make things happen for yourself. And it gets to Ben. He's like, you're hot. He's like, damn, but I didn't get to finish that properly. God, I really worked on that one.

31:38Ben Mandelker: He's just recycling lines from what he had to say at The Bachelor.

31:41Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Well, it's like you light up the room with your smile. I'm being vulnerable right now. It's like, what a shallow-ass answer anyway. So Bailey wasn't really that far off. So Bailey's like, sorry, geez. And Kyle says, all right, man, you got a floor, man. You got a floor. Okay, well, you're hot. So Ben's deflated. So Kyle's like, this group's tough, man. I'm telling you. He's like, what the fuck just happened? He seems stewing. He's like, I'm so mad now.

32:10Ben Mandelker: And Bailey's like, oops, never mind. Sorry. I don't know. Sorry. So the dessert is going to be coming up soon. And Kyle's like, well, while they're cutting the dessert, I'm going to cut the cheese. And also, I'm going to get a card. Okay, here's a card. Look at this. And they're like, oh, my God, Cartier, Cartier. So Amanda reads the card out loud. And she's like, oh, my God, Kyle, you did not. This is a little something to keep forever. But we also have 30 days to upgrade and swap it. Oh, my God. LOL, Kyle.

32:43Ronnie Karam: You're giving it not something that comes naturally. but you know page isn't here to buy something with my credit card for amanda so i had to do it

32:52Ben Mandelker: yep on the heels of him saying he couldn't afford one dime for carl's company he also gives a cartier watch to his wife now of course wife comes before carl always but it is just hilarious that he's like crying poor but then also making a grand presentation of a cartier watch

33:11Ronnie Karam: yeah but awkward timing on that one for sure yeah but yeah i mean i say buy your wife something over carl you know your wife has to put up with you and also it's just such a guy who's cheating and doing the wrong thing gift as well it's like well here's some really expensive jewelry don't look over there you know don't go through my dms yeah exactly uh so we see flashback to four summers ago where Kyle tells Amanda that gift giving gives him anxiety.

33:43Ben Mandelker: Yeah. It's tough for him. And he's like, yeah, I really struggle, but like considering this summer that we're having, it's mission critical that I nail this. It's like, wow. It's mission critical. So Kyle did the one thing he never thought he'd be able to do. Simply listen to Amanda when she says she wants something and then buy it for her.

34:01Ronnie Karam: Wow. Amazing. Yeah. It's like, oh my God, it's so pretty. Everyone cheers. It's a little avocado. Watch. They're like, Kyle, Kyle. I want to dance a little bit and club send it, and then we can go. So now they go to club send it. And Amanda calls her mom. What did you say? A.K.A. the living room. The living room. And Amanda calls her mama to tell her and say, oh, my God. Kyle, really? Mr. Kyle? Kyle got you something. Wow. Oh, your husband finally did the bare minimum. After being with you for 10 years, he got you a gift. Wow. Wee.

34:42Ben Mandelker: And Amanda says, I asked him for the watch as a joke because I know it's expensive and this man doesn't spend money on anything. He won't even buy himself new underwear. So the fact that he went to the store and picked out the watch and put it on his credit card, like, that's, he did good. She's just, I feel bad that she's just so impressed with the simplest, you know, attentiveness to her wants. Although inexpensive attentiveness to whoever wants in this case, I guess, is not that simple. But the point is that he listened for once and she's like, oh, my God, he finally listened to something that I said.

35:11Ronnie Karam: After 10 years of not getting any gifts, it's like you get a gift. And it's like, oh, my God, everyone's throwing him a parade in the street. So now Sierra, you know, goes to say hi or whatever. Everybody's always partying in the club. And Ben, meanwhile, stewing in club send it. And he's like, God damn it. And Wes says, that was crazy. crazy i mean on her birthday in front of her husband she even said even said that and so west is like yeah i was crazy like remember when bailey was like oh i knew you were gonna say you were

35:41Ben Mandelker: gonna fuck amanda and we were like what the fuck well i don't know what's going on that was the weirdest fucking circle of saying something nice about anyone someone i've ever been involved in my life my experience is that when you say that you're a big eyes and big smile kind of guy everyone gets quiet and starts to cry right away. So the fact that I was interrupted in my beautiful moment has me really steamed.

36:04Ronnie Karam: Yeah, everyone else was like, what did she just say? I mean, I don't know. There's something going on there. Obviously, I just need to fucking find out what's going on. They're like, go get her. So go, I'm going.

36:14Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I'm going to find out what's going on by walking into a room and being aggro. So then, um, Sierra, Amanda, and Levi are just, like, hanging out and Amanda's, like, Amanda's joking, like, Bailey's in love with Ben, and Levi's like yeah i think so and she says yeah i think she just gets really nervous by him and amanda's like yeah because that comment was like oh girl and even levi was like yeah i mean obviously she's joking around and it's like light-hearted but it's just not a good way to flirt i mean i i tell her to this to her face all the time just not flirting but unfortunately she's always sticking her face into a sweet greens bowl so it's hard to get through to her sometimes so then uh the boys

36:53Ronnie Karam: are still going on about it and jesse's like wait like why does it upset you so much though he's like because it's the second time she's done it and then we see a clip of her saying oh my god he's hitting on amanda again um ben loves amanda so ben's like she keeps saying it so obviously something's going on and don't talk over the top of me i just don't like it when people talk over me anyway i mean everyone's saying something and you talk over the top of me and saying i want to fuck my mates missus and then they all start cracking up and wes is like oh my god can you believe that guy has an accent whoa that was so funny it was like a cartoon a cartoon featuring

37:32Ben Mandelker: people with accents oh yeah he said missus it's so australian and they're just like cracking up in his face ben's like all angry and they're just like laughing at him he's like well i can't deal with you guys. I know that I've been treating Amanda differently than everybody else, but that's because she's in the friend zone and I can be myself. I can be flirted without thinking that I'm making any moves or hitting on you. Basically, so when she said that, it kind of threw me off a bit. It's kind of like, oh shit, does shit look like that? Is everybody thinking that? Oh, you have to get to the bottom of this now.

38:05Ben Mandelker: So if I'm doing something, which everyone's thinking, I need to stop that today. And the way I stop that behavior is by going in and getting mad at Bailey.

38:13Ronnie Karam: but you just said in your own monologue that um she's in my friend zone and i can be myself i can be flirty without you thinking i'm making so you're saying you're being flirty and you're you're being you just said like you just said it so if someone jokes about it it shouldn't be that big of a deal you know so he goes upstairs and um she's getting ready and meanwhile the guy's like

38:35Ben Mandelker: oh my god he has an accent oh they're losing their minds and then uh so bailey and ben so uh ben walks into her messy ass room and he's like bailey and he's barely disguising his disdain for all the stuff that's around and bailey's like oh geez what what okay go ahead what and he's like so um what's going on and he's like staring at her with like velociraptor eyes like in this really cold, penetrating way, you know? And she's like, oh. So she's like, so what's going on? She's like, in life? And it's like, weird. You're the one who walked in here. Why are you asking her what's going on? Just start talking.

39:16Ben Mandelker: Just say what you need to say. Be done with it.

39:19Ronnie Karam: And so it gets more and more awkward. I'm just like, what? Well, I'm just trying to figure out where your head's at because at dinner, saying that I wanted to fuck Amanda, she goes, um, I was just joking because you guys tell that story about how when you met, you both were naked and skinny-dipping and then you always joke about how like you would if you could. He goes, actually, no, we've never joked about what if I could. And I think it was rude. She's like, okay, well, I apologize if it's not my joke to make. Okay, well, is there something else going on? Because this is the second time. So it's a joke.

39:49Ronnie Karam: She goes, yeah, it's a joke. I mean, you joke about it a lot. Like, I'm not going to pretend I wasn't hopping on. I mean, it's your joke. Which they don't really joke about it. I've never heard that joke.

39:59Ben Mandelker: I kind of feel like at this point, Billy should say, I know it was a bad joke. It got away from me. I'm sorry. I shouldn't have done it. And she should have just sort of stopped there. But she was kind of defensive about this. And I was like, I'm on your side overall in this situation, Bailey. But I didn't love how defensive you were because you did kind of mess up on this one. And so Ben is like, well, you know, did you think that it was appropriate when we're all saying something nice about her for her birthday to fucking yell that out and say Ben wants to fuck Amanda at the table? And at this point, I'm like, oh, now you're being a dick, being condescending.

40:31Ben Mandelker: Did you think that was appropriate? Like, okay, sir. She just, I mean, it wasn't the best apology, but she did just apologize. And now you're being like, now you're going to start being a dick about it.

40:41Ronnie Karam: It's like, well, I didn't say Ben wants to fuck Amanda. I didn't say the F word. I mean, that didn't come out of my mouth. and he's like okay well you sleep with her okay big difference she goes but you make the joke a lot and he goes no we don't about sleeping with each other and she's like but then how would i know about that and he's like i mean it was skinny dipping we went skinny dipping all right that's that's a difference can you not see the difference between skinny dipping one time in italy at a wedding with all your friends and i'm in love with her slash want to sleep with her are you kidding me and she's like oh well okay well the way you joke about it is loose you know i didn't make it

41:17Ben Mandelker: up i didn't think like oh my god they're having an affair but he does flirt with her obviously there's a story of them swimming naked in the pool he makes her coffee when she wakes up in the morning where's my goddamn coffee she's getting out of the pool he makes sure she has a towel her husband could be doing all these things like she should be picked up and spun around by kyle just saying it's weird i was like you know not terrible points that she's making i have to say like uh i do think it was not really her joke to make she just doesn't she doesn't know them as well but uh it is weird that he's like making her coffee that's a that's very love island coded okay and offering her the towels he's doing little niceties for amanda that he's not extending to the other girls in the house specifically bailey so and that is like you pointed out that

41:58Ronnie Karam: is reality show code for what you're sewing for so it's not that she's wrong i think it's just that She obviously, as she just said, like, where's my fucking coffee? You know, like she likes Ben. So she is annoyed that Ben is flirting with. Yeah, she feels rejected.

42:15Ben Mandelker: And on top of that, I do think that he has been trying to manufacture some sort of like nice guy image. He really his whole thing this whole season was I know I'm hot, but I'm actually really shy. And I'm uncomfortable with all this attention I get from the females. and actually I think that she has unwittingly just poked a giant hole in that and he doesn't

42:38Ronnie Karam: know how to handle it right now so he says well I don't think that you're joking I think there's something else going on I don't know what it is because it's not funny and I don't think you're trying to be funny so this is where I got uncomfortable because I feel like he's saying like obviously you like me just say you like me like you're jealous but he won't say it and it's just gross it's gross it's a gross way to handle it and she's like uh no there's nothing and if there was i would say something and he's like well you have been saying things and that's what i'm saying it's uncomfortable she goes okay but you joke about it all the time and he's like okay okay look just i'd appreciate it if you don't do it anymore bailey all right that'd be great because it's got nothing to do with you and she's like okay 100 i can respect that fine and and he

43:25Ben Mandelker: stands up at this point he had been sitting on her bed which and there's stuff on her bed and stuff all on her floor so he stands up to leave and she's and she's saying what you said she's saying like okay i respect that and she goes hey look at me i'm talking and he goes sorry i'm just stepping over your stuff i want to get out of here which was like his cold way of being like your messy ass room i'm just trying to get out of this hovel you call a bedroom okay now i can look at you because now I'm not distracted by the fact that I may trip and fall to my death over this pile of laundry at the base of your bed.

43:58Ben Mandelker: Then don't come into my room. Yeah, seriously.

44:01Ronnie Karam: So she's like, well, you can't even, you can't storm in here and be like, well, I did leave. Like I've tried to answer for it. And he goes, well, you're not making sense. I ask you the same question. You give me some bullshit answer and like, it's a joke and it's not a joke and it's not funny. And you don't talk to anyone else like that. And it's like, well, okay. I took an inside joke that you guys had too far i'm sorry he goes apology accepted all right bye see you out there and he leaves all pissed off and mia has been listening this whole time um and uh bailey goes to the bathroom and she's like she cries and i fully expected that in the second half of the episode

44:33Ben Mandelker: they would probably go to apology beach or something like that apology dune sorry and he'd be like sorry last night i was really steaming mad i knew you were really upset you didn't come out with us it wasn't my intention to ruin you and all i just i was upset myself and i've cooled down. I really like you, but I just was really upset by that because I would never do that in such an infraction of my character. And I got very defensive about that because when I was younger, one of me best mates, he also took one of my girls and I never would want to do what I thought it'd be a whole thing and it never happened.

45:02Ben Mandelker: It was just like, Oh, well, whatever. I thought he was going to like feel bad for how intense he was. Cause again, he wasn't yelling. He was, he was sitting there being pretty calm but he was just so direct and his fury was so potent that it made i think all of us feel uncomfortable especially bailey who was on the receiving

45:24Ronnie Karam: end of it right there in that room so then uh jesse's gossiping with amanda he's like oh my god dude ben was so mad he was so mad sent he'd like he was so mad he had an accent he always has an accent no but it was like the funniest accent yeah but i mean it was weird you know because like that was the second time she said something and you know ben is just ben ben and i just brush it off and he goes yeah well she was he was pretty heated this time she's like i mean at a table full i mean it was uncomfortable i guess it was uncomfortable so now sierra and kj are uh on the

45:59Ben Mandelker: couch and mia comes in like oh i love mia mia's great she's so great so sierra's like uh-oh Mia found some tea look at her Mia got some tea and Mia's like child child and Sierra's like did he say something to her up there and Mia's like bitch he just confronted her he was like you were trying to be funny but I don't really think it was funny and Sierra's like oh and that was it that's how it ended and she goes he stormed off and Sierra's like mmm I like Ben Ben's got anger issues I like that and she's like twirling her hair like jokingly like ooh I like this and she's like I mean she's like yeah I like it now I mean if I'm talking to you don't storm off but i like that you can storm off and so he comes back down and um the west is like

46:48Ronnie Karam: whoa what's up mate are you solid mate sorry that's funny did you did you just tell off a missus

46:58Ben Mandelker: well i said and she apologized she said sorry so i'm moving on as you can tell by the continued rage in my eyes right now just one last little vent and that was it And I was like, yeah, you made it sound like it was just like, hey, didn't love that joke. And she said, oh, my God, I'm so sorry. Yeah, can we just not do that again? Totally, totally respect your boundaries. OK, love you. That was not what the conversation was.

47:20Ronnie Karam: So then we go to Bailey and Levi and, you know, Bailey comes out crying and Levi's like, oh, my God, you're out of your outfit. You're not coming out. What happened? Why are you not coming out? I mean, Ben stormed out. Was he mad about the comment? It was so clearly a joke. I mean, it was just a joke. It was just a joke. I mean, I feel like one of the guys could have said that and everyone would have laughed. I'm like, am I right? Am I right? And she's like, yeah, if Jesse said it, it would have been fine.

47:43Ben Mandelker: She's right, actually, by the way. I do think that if Jesse said it, they would have been like, oh, Jesse.

47:48Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I think it's clearly because she likes him. Mm-hmm. And he doesn't like her. And he doesn't like her back, you know? And so, yeah. And so Levi's like, well, because I think that she made the joke, but what made it uncomfortable was his reaction, not the joke. If that makes any sense. So Levi's like, oh, my God, you have to come out. And Bailey says it was a disproportionate response. You know, a man has not yelled at me since my ex-boyfriend. And he was horrible. And he would break my shit. And he was really mean to me. And he was purely toxic. Okay, well, I can see how that would, you know, be triggering.

48:26Ronnie Karam: He didn't really yell or throw your things and stuff. That's kind of taking it to a different level.

48:30Ben Mandelker: And she even says that.

48:31Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but I can see how, you know, So just having any confrontation with a guy would be like, where's it going to go?

48:38Ben Mandelker: Yeah. And so she says, and Ben wasn't doing anything that I would say was in any way similar to the things that I've experienced. But just the situation of the confrontation just really puts me in a horrible place. So Bailey is like, the fact that I tried to apologize and he's like, I'm confused. There's a bigger thing. There's a bigger thing. There's a bigger thing. What's the bigger thing? Okay. Confusion on my part. Sorry. I'm like, well, you didn't really like you sort of like nominally apologized. and you do know that there is i mean you do like him there is a bigger thing but either way i'm still on bailey's side on this because i just think that ben was a real dick about the whole

49:10Ronnie Karam: situation so now uh people are still on fucking club send it i can't and then um mia goes to ben and sierra is saying what do you think bailey's sad right now and he's like i don't know is she

49:21Ben Mandelker: i don't want her to be sad that's why we're gonna not go up there and be like hey i don't want you to be crying. He just stares down there. Oh, I don't want her to be sad. Anywho, back to dancing.

49:34Ronnie Karam: So Sierra and Mia go check on her. And then Amanda's like, but now I want to come too. So they all go to the bed and check on her. And Bailey's like, well, I hated having a guy yell at me. That's how I am. And I'm like, yeah, that was pretty awkward. She goes, I'm sorry, Amanda, if my joke hurt your feelings too in any way. I really was joking. I'm sorry if I upset you. I if I do something wrong. And she's like, I have really thick skin. I don't care. I mean, I could see how uncomfortable it made Ben, but I don't really care. She goes, yeah, I don't give a shit about Ben. I'm sorry.

50:07Ben Mandelker: Then Jesse knocks on the door. He's like, hey, babes. Hey, fellow bedbugs. We're going to go to Murph's, but I'm assuming some people are staying behind. And everyone's like, no, we're going to come. Bye. Bye, Bailey. Have a great night. Bye, Bailey, I guess. And the other girl who sticks with, Who's that girl who's in that bed with you all the time? You're going to stay back too, right? Okay. Bye, guys.

50:30Ronnie Karam: Bye, Danielle and Bailey. We'll see you later.

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52:57Ronnie Karam: So Ben goes to the kitchen and compliments that it's the cleanest he's ever seen it. The kitchen's like, thank you. Love you. He's like, please stop flirting with me.

53:07Ben Mandelker: Thank you so much for that. And I look forward to remaining this clean for the rest of the evening. Thank you. Thank you. See you at 2 a.m.

53:15Ronnie Karam: So Bailey's like, oh my God, now you're stuck with me. I'm so lame. You don't have to be stuck with me. God, I'm just staring at my phone and crying. She's like, I'm not stuck with you. I love this. This is great. And then Bailey just goes back to scrolling on her phone. Levi's just sitting there like, well, this is, this is glad I stayed. Just need to support her. She needs support while she scrolls X. So yeah.

53:35Ben Mandelker: Wasted outfit. Great. But that's a good friend right there, that Levi. See, this is, I think, why I like her. There's something about her. I just really, I think she's funny. She's a loyal friend. And I like that it's like an authentic friendship. It's not like trying to recreate the Paige and Hannah or Paige and Sierra thing, even though it sort of is, but it's authentic. So I like it. I don't know why I keep on building a case for why I like Levi. I know.

54:00Ronnie Karam: You're really stumping for Levi. I mean, she's fine. She doesn't really do anything. It's like complimenting, you know. I'm trying to think of something that supports. She got a black eye from a goat. And I think that does a lot. I mean, I like her, too. So then West dances. This is fine. So everyone's dancing and stuff. And so West and Sierra are now like kind of dirty dancing or whatever. West is straddling her. And she's like, OK, well, here's the thing about West. Like when he sits on you, he has a crush. And he sat on me because I remember one time he sat on me was when he had a crush on me.

54:41Ronnie Karam: and fast forward to now, now he's sitting on me like he totally likes me.

54:47Ben Mandelker: Yeah, okay. Well, I'm so glad to hear that.

54:51Ronnie Karam: If he says, why now? I'm like, because you just started talking to him again. You literally just gave the green flag again like last week. So of course now. He couldn't before.

55:01Ben Mandelker: Other evidence that Wes likes you, the fact that he follows you around like a puppy dog and basically said, I'm still in love with Sierra. So then they're dancing and stuff and jesse is like yeah west and sierra are getting flirty really happy for them really happy jealous not this guy no so now sierra and west are in kyle's bed and kyle's like that's nice

55:28Ronnie Karam: and she's like i'm gonna go see if the buffalo chicken dip is ready so he's about to scroll um but then he starts talking to west he's like oh my god that was awesome bro you guys were totally flirting.

55:42Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Are you talking about me and Sierra? I know. I don't know what to do. It's just like we hate each other for like three weeks and then it's like, oh my God. Yeah, I mean, I looked up and like, dude, they're like fucking vibing. I know. I know. God, crush is not the word I would use. It's not a crush because we aren't friends during the day. I guess maybe you don't need that for a crush because you can fall in love in the club. There's a song about it, you know, because it's like an incident after hours crush or like a PM crush or like, I'm just a little boy crush a late night crush a sunset crush a breakfast crush a lunch crush it's what i was like i i'll tell you what it is it's a boring crush at this point i think that's the

56:20Ronnie Karam: best way to describe it it's an i need attention on a tv show crush i'm not buying this sir i've never bought it from west and his whole like oh wow just a boy who doesn't understand girls

56:33Ben Mandelker: just take a page from the one and only jennifer page who once sang it's just a little crush don't mean anything.

56:42Ronnie Karam: So Sierra... That's the lyrics. Sierra walks back in. She's like, what are you two idiots talking about? So now everybody gets ready for bed and Amanda's sitting on Kyle's lap because she got a watch. She's like, wow, I'm so glad it's surprising. She's like, that was so special, Kyle. I was not expecting that.

57:03Ben Mandelker: You know, we had a rough start to the summer. We needed this, like a huge sigh of relief. I do love her and I haven't felt disconnected with her and God knows how long. It just makes me extremely happy. And this is funny because every season of Summer House starts like this where the first six episodes, they fight viciously and you think, oh, this relationship's falling apart and then they have a turning point and then Kyle goes, well, it started off rough but now we're back on the right path. But what's funny is that I think he thinks it's the right path but we know she's going to be like, this watch was great, thanks.

57:32Ben Mandelker: I'm still going to leave you this time.

57:34Ronnie Karam: This is it. And also, Kyle, it's very typical of Kyle when he's happy with Amanda. I mean, yes, the watch was in play. I get that. So Amanda was happy with him for that. But Kyle wasn't happy just because she was happy about the watch. Kyle was happy because she was outwasted and partying. That's when Kyle likes Amanda. When she actually goes out and she gets shit-faced with everybody and she parties all night, that's when Kyle likes Amanda. He doesn't like the rest of it. So he's like, wow, we're back on the right track. Amanda came out and got shit-faced tonight on her birthday. I've made no effort.

58:06Ronnie Karam: I've changed nothing. But look, she's drunk. So we're on the right path again. We did it. Nailed it.

58:12Ben Mandelker: Nailed it. So West and Sierra are eating buffalo chicken dip in the kitchen. And West is asking her if she's having fun. He goes, are you having fun? She goes, what? Are you having fun? She goes, you mean as a whole or tonight? He's like, uh, any, are you just in any possible way? Or did you play like a good app today? Like, did you do Wordle? I don't know. Did you have some sort of fun in some capacity?

58:37Ronnie Karam: Yeah, she's like, what are you talking about? And he whispers to her and he's like, look, I just don't even know how to talk to you, okay? Like, God, I don't know how to talk to you if I'm being honest. And she goes, yeah, I feel like I've perfectly designed it that way.

58:58Ben Mandelker: He's like, correct. But like, I don't know what to do before filming or after. Like, I want to talk to you. And so she's basically like, yeah, you know, flirting, having fun drunk and super is great but like in the sober daylight a conversation where like i have to put my guard down and be vulnerable like yeah i'm not gonna do that i just and she says i just don't think that i trust you or your intentions or your interactions so like have my guard up he's like yeah it's my fault she's like what he's i just i don't know what it's correct for you i'm a

59:29Ronnie Karam: little boy and delicate um what's correct for what's when she's saying she doesn't trust your intentions or what you're doing it's because you're only doing this on camera west yeah you play this big fucking game on camera like i don't know what i'm doing cierra like i'm trying with cierra but i just don't know what she wants call her off the show call her during the week and go have coffee when there's not cameras around and have a real discussion but you won't do that you just want to do it on tv i think that's what he incorporated that into a shtick he just did that

1:00:00Ben Mandelker: He just was very sly. He was like, oh, but like the only reason why I don't call you when it's not on TV is because I just don't know how to do it because I'm scared. So it's the next morning and people are waking up. Levi is in bed with Bailey. And she's like, oh, my God, you're so sweaty. Not only did I have to waste a good outfit last night, I got covered in your goo. And she's like, well, it's my anxiety. I'm not fucking sleeping. That's the problem. oh yesterday i was sad today i'm angry i kind of want to pop off on ben i was like oh that's

1:00:32Ronnie Karam: gonna really help please do though please but i encourage it please do so that coming up here with your weird curled hair slicked back staring at me dead in the eyes i don't put myself in situations with men i'm not fucking dating you're yelling at me well you should hopefully you don't

1:00:49Ben Mandelker: put yourself in a situation where men you are dating are yelling at you either i don't think Any man should be yelling at you in the first place. Bailey, stand up for yourself.

1:00:56Ronnie Karam: But it's funny how when a guy, you know, you think a guy is so cute and then they give you that reason to ick. And then you're like, ew, there's stupid curly hair and their fucking blue eyes, fucking white walker eyes. The fuck out of here.

1:01:10Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Seriously. It's so funny how it just like turns like right away.

1:01:15Ronnie Karam: Stupid washboard abs. Eat a sandwich.

1:01:17Ben Mandelker: I actually love that. I love when there's someone who's so hot and then you see them for either being evil or awful or whatever. And then it releases the spell of their hotness. I always feel like when someone's really hot, I don't like that spell. I mean, we just watch the traitors. We watch an entire cast of people be basically digmatized by Rob because you're under the spell of the hotness. And so like, once that, once that spell has been dissipated, you can just have like agency over your own like thoughts and actions again, I feel like. And so I think it's a great moment when, when someone stops being hot and they just start becoming awful.

1:01:59Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I just, I'm trying to think of who that happened to with Rob. I'm like, I don't know that that's a great example. I don't think they probably still do anything that he says.

1:02:09Ben Mandelker: No, I have that to say, I don't think it ever happened with Rob. That's why he was so good. Well, he wasn't good.

1:02:14Ronnie Karam: You know who you see it happen with every season is Craig on Southern Charm. Yep. That's someone you see it happen every season where he kind of, even people like me who are completely anti at this point. Even me, I get convinced because he gets so charming and he can be so cute. And there's always a couple of points in the season where I'm like, oh, he's better. Everything's great. And then you just, he does something again, like yells at a woman or something. It's like, oh, he's so coke bloaty and gross. he's so does he's a burst blood vessel he's just so disgusting it's like everything that was cute about him before i'm like your stupid squinty eyes and your stupid bushy eyebrows and your full head of hair you're disgusting you are disgusting sir yeah totally well um ben and

1:02:59Ben Mandelker: kyle go to the gym mia's boyfriend calls her uh jesse uh comes into the kitchen which is a total mess so everything that they were like this kitchen's never looked this good because by the way they had caterers in the night before that cleaned up the kitchen and now they went and made it a shithole again and i guess they left some steak out and they were really sad and like jesse his frown was he already had his frown from sierra and that was like even more frowning because he he also now no longer has steak he lost steak and sierra that's a tough weekend what a mistake

1:03:29Ronnie Karam: what a no pun intended so kj comes in and they talk about the steak being gone and kj asks if he talked to Sierra and he's like, yo, it was good. He's like, did you guys set some boundaries or no? KJ. Everything that comes out of KJ's mouth is like the perfect TikTok Zoomer guy, you know, who's just like, whoa. How was last night? Did you guys set boundaries? Awesome.

1:04:03Ben Mandelker: You guys are up to date on your pronouns, right? um so i only mention that because i always tell the story how back in 2020 ronnie and i were in um new orleans and we're walking down was it frenchman street the the the super it was a just there were all these college students that were out they're all 20 21 and the bro this big old bro who was like drunk and had like beer stains on his shirt walks up to a grill like hey what are your pronouns i was like that is so sweet like and i love that gen z i always talk with me the big fratty guy was like hey you want to joke some beers but first what are your pronouns i loved it so it is you're so right when kj's like hey man did you guys like set some good boundaries last night it's just so it's so gen z zoomer yeah and west is like kj you're such a

1:04:54Ronnie Karam: good guy i don't know if people tell you that a lot but i know you just mean well in everything you do bro he's like thanks bro so then Amanda and Sierra are talking and Sierra's like oh my god well first of all they were showing the guys talking like did you talk to Sierra and then they just cut to Sierra and she's like I really like cheese and then they cut back to the guy talking about the girl uninterested in what the guys are doing so funny but now they go to Sierra and she's talking about West and she's like yeah so like West like cornered I mean not cornered me he pantryed me he'd like talk to me at the pantry and he was like i want to talk to you but i just never know when's like a good time and i was like yeah because i made it that way and he was like yeah but like i want to talk to you and then they just start laughing at what a loser west is

1:05:42Ben Mandelker: that's my favorite my favorite is when the girls laugh at the guys behind their backs um so they get dressed they're gonna have a day out and they get into their cars and uh west is He's doing shotgun and Sierra opened the door to be like, you have to give this to me, you know, because she's used to a year of West doing anything she says to get on her good side. And so he's like, joke. He's like, he's like, no, I'm gonna stand up for myself today. I'm gonna stay here. She's like, but it's like flirty and it's like flirty and fun, but he's like standing up for himself. He's growing. And then the other car, Kyle's watch is like, oh my God, they're flirting.

1:06:15Ben Mandelker: Look at that. So they all go. They are all going to head off to Wolf of Vineyards, one of the famed locations of Summer House.

1:06:25Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And so Kyle's like, hey, I got incriminating evidence of Wes and Sierra getting together last night. And he shows them a picture and they're like dancing together. Ben's like, oh, that's actually a good steal. Pretty good. Oh, my God. He's resting his head on her shoulder.

1:06:42Ben Mandelker: Would you care to rest your head on my shoulder, Amanda? Plutonically, of course. I'm a big, smiling eyes guy.

1:06:49Ronnie Karam: And back in Westcar, he's like, One small step for mankind, and one month longer on probation. Sierra, she didn't get the front seat. So now let's go to Fulfur. And Amanda's like, What's the difference between a vinery and a vineyard?

1:07:07Ben Mandelker: And they just laugh. And Ben goes, No one can give you an answer to that one, except for me. And my answer comes in the form of, any afternoon coffee for you my love platonically of course so they uh they all sit at the table this picnic table and like somewhere on one obviously somewhere on one side and um bailey is like a little bit too close to ben so she's like um i'm not gonna sit here so she does that she like makes a very loud announcement that she's going to move to the other side one of these like nice big passive aggressive i'm gonna sit as far away from ben as possible thank Thank you.

1:07:39Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And so she does. She gets a hell away from him. And they're like, oh, okay. And I was hoping this was going to lead to some kind of a big fight. But it didn't. Same. And Kyle stands up and starts eating the grapes off the vine that's hanging above the table. And they're like, wow. So the server comes over, pours him some wines. And Sierra asks Kyle to go away from the table to take a picture. And so he's taking pictures. He's like, okay, work harder. I got you. you know they ain't calling manzel adams in high school for nothing she's like who the fuck is that

1:08:13Ben Mandelker: and did he have anger issues because that's kind of hot and kyle's like you know about ansel adams he's an award-winning black and white photographer that ventured into color in the after part of his career she's like okay whatever um so kyle's like all right give me naughty sierra come on give me a little give me naughty okay give me love boy give me five hundred thousand dollars sierra no seriously do you have five hundred thousand dollars and sierra's like um we're in a vineyard what do you mean give me give me naughty and so they're like posing and kyle's um he's like how about uh how about do this pose i flirted with west last night yeah and they're making fun of

1:08:47Ronnie Karam: how kyle is standing because he's like kind of squatting and sticking his butt out to get a picture man is like oh my god look at that idiot so uh mia is complimenting kyle on or no amanda she's complimenting she's like i'm so glad you got that watch you deserve it she's like yeah that was like more a gift for him than it was for me because like the fact that everyone like clapped for him and like applauded for him and now i can leave him and i gotta watch out of it

1:09:15Ben Mandelker: so then ben and uh she's like she's like i'm not joking guys um ben and sierra go off to play cornhole um and i thought like okay they're gonna talk about the bailey situation nope not gonna to talk about the Bailey situation at all in fact like you said I thought there would be a confrontation I was like waiting for it I was like oh what's gonna happen next and like they it just says like abandoned and I'm so mad like I'm so invested in this so Ben is like you know it's been really good getting to know you the past few weeks Sierra look at me being flirty with you to throw the heat off the fact that I apparently have been very flirty with Amanda I'm flirty with everyone I guess that means that we're friend zoned it's like yeah same like I actually don't

1:09:58Ronnie Karam: hate you like you actually don't get on my nerves like you're a great addition to the house i guess in terms of guy energy like you're not so stupid it's like all right well borderline stupid but

1:10:11Ben Mandelker: not stupid stupid she's like yeah exactly i mean you're still stupid but you're not the stupidest you've ever had i mean you really should look at the people who've been on this show and i don't just like see you as a hot piece of ass and everyone that you know wants wants to make out with you in the house, I'm sure that's it. It's got to be kind of annoying, right? And I can see where you're kind of uncomfortable, right? At dinner, you were just really upset. He's like, yeah, that was a lot. Yeah. So what's going on with you? Are you dating anyone? Are you looking for a relationship? I was like, Sierra, I thought you were going to say, Bailey seemed really rattled by you last night.

1:10:45Ben Mandelker: How are things today with you and Bailey? Are you okay? Have you checked in on her? God, I hate that you guys are following. said she's just like yeah that was weird last night so who are you dating what's going on with

1:10:56Ronnie Karam: your life yeah i think it takes a time to break into that that girl group like they're they like they're accepting but you know you have to kind of break through because they never know when it's going to be alexi or somebody yeah you know yeah so um ben's like yeah that was a lot so she asked him about dating and he says oh i've been trying to work on myself for a while now okay all right but there was a moment you know early in the year i was dating someone for a minute and then she said she loved me and i looked froze and i thought i'd be ready but you know i was trying to get ready but i froze i just i guess i fucked that up so he says he met this girl through a dating app they only knew each other for a couple of weeks but uh they spent like a hundred hours together and they took a photo and he's like oh my god it feels so unreal and it was so special but it went too fast and so he told her well i'm probably going to the hamptons for the summer so let me see how that turns out and she was like well i'm not fucking waiting for you you dick but apparently they were i mean online is saying that they he's been dating

1:11:59Ben Mandelker: this whole time let me tell you something this is all a very lovely spin that he put on the situation but we know what this really was which was he went started hot and heavy everything was great he got on the tv show and it's like wait a second i like you but i like the idea of having a fling on national tv that could give me longevity on summer house more so you're gonna have to go on the back burner and she's like fuck you it's like sorry tv's more important um so i don't know i think this whole story he's put a spin on it like i'm just working on myself i don't know i'm i froze i'm scared of it i'm like no you're just like really almost every other guy on this show we've seen so far you're just another fuck boy yeah and whenever a guy says oh i'm not dating because

1:12:45Ronnie Karam: I'm working on myself. Oh, shut the fuck up. When has that ever been true? Has that ever been proven to be true by any man?

1:12:51Ben Mandelker: Really? Froze because she said, I love you. It's like, it was so great. It was so special. But she said, I love you. And I froze. Okay. It meant that you want to keep your options open. You didn't freeze.

1:13:01Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And so Sierra gives him kind of a speech about how he should handle it. And she's like, I'm guarded too. And once I get hurt, I go back in my shell and it takes me a minute. and you know even with that same person so it's like i don't trust you and i can't give you that same version of myself that i once gave you you know just like out of protection i'm sure but just explain that you know just explain to just basically treat her like west you're like sierra's projecting kind of her own west thing onto him he's like all right so you want me to tell her to cut her stupid teenage boy hair and take a bath every once in a while okay i don't know that

1:13:38Ben Mandelker: that's going to go over very well but i'll try it t and fool yeah i love um i love ben suggesting that he's just so guarded in life uh after he dated 24 women at once um sure really guarded so they uh then now they leave and they go back to the house and they're going to play some pool games so they're going to go to the backyard and they're going to play some like beer pong and stuff and some people are they're scattered around the yard and kj sierra and amanda are sitting on the back deck and amanda's like so kj you had sex yesterday morning and he's like in a hoodie and he's like closing up the hood on his like face he's like yeah she's like with who dara she's like wait you guys are like hot and heavy are you guys texting this weekend and then we see that like this entire episode basically in the background kj has been just like texting and calling dara and just like hey what's going on hey it's been about 35 minutes what's new with you and I actually found it to be endearing.

1:14:39Ben Mandelker: I'm like, I think we've been waiting for another shoe to drop with KJ because a lot of the stuff he says seems to be setting up the fuckboy thing. But I'm actually starting to believe and this may be a fatal flaw because I may be proven wrong very soon. I'm starting to believe he may not be a fuckboy after all. He may just be a sweet guy. Well, he's already passed that

1:14:58Ronnie Karam: because he's taking her out on multiple dates.

1:15:00Ben Mandelker: Yeah. And he tells everyone, he's like, yeah, I just feel like, you know um you know what like i don't like if people like each other then they're like oh we'll see each other only once a week like if you like me if i like you whatever like if you're free we'll make time and i was like that's so good that's i feel like that's really evolved and great i was like wait a second kj kj what's going on here yeah look at that so then we go to west and ben um

1:15:30Ronnie Karam: talking by the pool and west is like oh my god what should i do about sierra dude i just don't know she's a girl that's just so confusing and he's like what are you talking about he's like i just have so many internal battles cut your hair sorry we'll make it very curly like a statue like all i have please please just cut your hair and um so ben's like just all right let's go talk Let's go talk. Let's have a boy talk. Are you all right? He's like, well, it's just I've been in a gray area with Sierra for so long, and it feels good to be, like, friends. And, like, I just love her so much as a friend.

1:16:09Ronnie Karam: But, like, when we were together, it was, like, dreamy.

1:16:14Ben Mandelker: She's unreal. So I know why she's special, and I think you're special as well. And I think that if I was around for that, I would have thought it was the greatest thing of all time, almost like Amanda's smile in her eyes, platonically, of course.

1:16:27Ronnie Karam: Yeah, she's great. That's why it sucks. He's like, all right. So you just totally fucked it up? He's like, well, she wants a good boyfriend, you know, and like someone who loves her and takes care of her. And I just wasn't in that place, you know?

1:16:41Ben Mandelker: Oh, so a heart was broken. And she says she really loved you. He's like, I know. Do you have any regrets? Well, of course. Do you miss her? Yeah. Does she know that? Yeah, but I don't know what else to do. Oh, sorry. Sometimes I just get random applause because I'm a model, especially when I give advice. Great shoot.

1:17:05Ronnie Karam: Great shoot, brother. Great episode for me. I believe in you. I believe in you. It's going to make the cover of the JCPenney. I can tell you that. I can tell you that. And that is the end of the episode. Wow. Summerhouse. Who knew? That was a good one. That was good. All right, everybody. Thanks so much for being here. We will talk to you next time. Bye.

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