#3260 RHOBH S15E13 Part Two: Madame Butterfly AF

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1:54Ronnie Karam: So Boza es like, well, but it does come up. It does come up. And is it something to be hidden? Is that why? Why do you want to hide it? She didn't hide it. It's in her blog post. That's the point. And Boza's like, okay, there's no problem if it's there on purpose. So what are we even talking about? She's like, it just felt like a deep dive to get dirt on me. Well, I mean, you should take it as a compliment because I don't usually Google anyone. But you said you've sold hundreds of thousands of books. So I went to research a book, Amanda Francis, cult as fuck.

2:25Ben Mandelker: But like cult is like a serious word. Because like the moment you say cult, you then have to say Gaia. And like literally who would wear that? Like so gross.

2:35Ronnie Karam: Absolutely. Meaning the criteria for a cult in the environment has to be unique, controlling systems of reward and punishment. I get it. I researched it before I said that I was in a cult so that I was more credible when I said that I was in a cult.

2:47Ben Mandelker: por el momento, Amanda complaining that they were potentially doing a deep dive or doing research on her to dig up dirt when she essentially started the season telling Sutton that she had talked to someone who knew Avi and that Avi was talking shit about Sutton people in glass houses shouldn't throw manifestation journals that's what I'm saying.

3:08Ronnie Karam: She didn't Google, she just went to a gay bar.

3:10Ben Mandelker: She went to a gay bar and she got all the dirt so then what was your experience y ella dice, ¿soy quieres hablar de la culta ahora? Y ella dice, ¿no? ¿Es esto lo que estás hablando de lo que estás hablando? Sí, bueno, la manera que suerte y suerte y suerte es que, no, solo se trata de la primera, ¿no? ¿está bien desde la primera? Y ella dice, ¿no? Ok, me voy a abrir esta pina para todos. Wait, wait, wait, wait,

3:37Ronnie Karam: solo para empezar esto, ¿es lo que la purpose de la culta? ¿Es es como una religión? Me, ¿sí? ¿Es la highlight reel? Ok, long line it. Elvitor pitch me.

3:45Ben Mandelker: ¿Dónde están prosíquen y melón en la culta? porque eso es increíble si lo que

3:49Ronnie Karam: que esto es muy rápido porque ya estoy bored de la vida

3:54Ben Mandelker: es que los coltos en Hollywood es así que esto debería ser un buen colt

3:58Ronnie Karam: we've had like Netflix has brought us so many good colt stories over the years you cannot come in here with like I was Christian, ok, so make it better

4:07Ben Mandelker: so she goes, ok highlight reel, ok, girl growing up in the bible belt, very close to her youth pastors, they were like parents to her. They were moving to start a church so they recruited a lot of their church youth to go with them and at first it was like a church internship and it was like pretty chill. It got scary isolating scary controlling and I wasn't speaking to my family and the more isolating and controlling it gets it's like you no longer have words or language for like regular worlds anymore because you're like in this system that's like not normal. So like you just like can't go out to the world and you can't have a conversation because the way you think and speak is like so not of the world anymore, right?

4:44Ben Mandelker: I'm like, that applies to every single woman on this show, by the way.

4:49Ronnie Karam: I mean, I'm just listening to this story trying to get the cult part. And Dorit goes, Sue, were you out in the world at that point? And she goes, well, yeah, we had day jobs to support the church, but that was just like recruiting for the church. So you did go out into the world. I like that Dorit's just squinting at her like, mm-hmm, caught you.

5:11Ben Mandelker: I think if you're encouraged to Not talk to your family anymore Or cut off ties That does feel a bit more culty to me You know like yes It does sort of also feel kind of like Okay you're just being super religious But there sometimes is a fine line between being super religious And being in a cult to be fair

5:30Ronnie Karam: Well yeah I mean look I feel like it gets tricky Because there are people who are like But I was in a cult and it was like this I'm not even saying anything against that I'm saying that Amanda in general Comes across as completely full of shit She's a drama queen Whenever she has a problem It's like she becomes this huge victim in a way It's like you know I'm mad at you My son died Okay well we'll talk about it later Then it's later But you talked about it when my son died My son died My son over and over And then it's like okay Well you know Don't be weird Don't say that in my own house Oh my god Last night I had crippling anxiety because of the abuse I suffered at this time.

6:09Ronnie Karam: It's like everything she says is she spins it to make herself this huge victim. And so I think at this point, when someone's like, I'm in a cult, or I was in a cult and I ran away, to the point where they make a blog post about it and make their online personality kind of about this, it needs to be more than I was in this kind of church where I followed the youth pastors and then they felt controlling and then I left. Just for your own story It needs to be more I'm just giving you tips as somebody Who is into this stuff You need a better pitch for your cult Because this doesn't sound too bad

6:45Ben Mandelker: It's like Delta Comfort Plus Not really business class But a little something A little touch of cult

6:52Ronnie Karam: Yeah it sounds like a touch of cult A touch of cult So no one's really buying it They're like okay Y dice, hey, you know, it got crazy as it went on and I finally said to the pastor, I was like, y 'all, I want to go to college. But didn't you say you were like in your 20s when you joined? Well, I was 16 when I met them and then I moved and followed them after ministry training. So I was like 19 then.

7:23Ben Mandelker: So when you're isolated and young like that, those are like the only people you socialize with, right? Like, because I'm just trying to help you build up the cult feeling of your story. It sort of just feels like you went to Florida. Okay, so cults, cults, right?

7:34Ronnie Karam: Yeah, yeah, you're very impressionable. You're very impressionable. I was in an Amelia West of S cult.

7:41Ben Mandelker: Erica's like, when I think of cults, I think of Charles Manson. I think of people out there murdering people. What about that Mother God cult? You know, the woman that turned silver and they carried around her dead body around the back of a stage wagon or something and wrapped it in Christmas lights or something like that, Mother God, you know? Like, that's the kind of shit.

7:57Ronnie Karam: Erica puts it, it's so funny. la vida la vida se hizo y entonces se llevó a dead body en la boca de la station wagon wrapped en la light no no nada nada nada ¿usted no know about this one yeah the mother of god oh yeah that's a good one there is a documentary about that one I

8:17Ben Mandelker: missed that one I feel like I know the big ones you know obviously the the hail bop one well I forgot their the ones that wore the Nike shoes Heaven's Gate Heaven's Gate there was Branch Davidian there was NXIVM there was Wild Wild Country That was a good one

8:40Ronnie Karam: Wild Wild Country was a very good one

8:42Ben Mandelker: That's a great cult that's a great cult because as I was watching the documentary I was sometimes really on the cult side and I don't often feel that way but I was like you know what they were doing some pretty cool stuff they built a whole society Let them just have their own little world

8:57Ronnie Karam: What happened with that one? They just got greedy in the end or something?

9:01Ben Mandelker: Well, they had a lot of town gown Kind of issues Meaning that the locals didn't like them And were being Sort of aggressive towards them So then they were sort of fighting back And then it was like they tried to poison people At a salad bar in the town

9:15Ronnie Karam: Right, they poisoned the salad bar Yeah

9:19Ben Mandelker: But then there was The other thing is that the documentary presenta them as this like very utopian society and then the other side of it was like no they were doing crazy like sex orgies and blah blah blah but also like let them have their orgies right utopia anyway i somehow missed this one i missed this uh this mother god cult which makes me sad there was the erica does jim there and the carolinas you know the carolinas what's that El Kool-Aid one.

9:48Ronnie Karam: ¿Vasen that the Kool-Aid? Oh, the Jim. The Kool-Aid comes from that. Jim Jones one. Yeah. Yeah, some good cults out there. Yeah, so you've got a lot of competition. Scientology. You can't just be like, well, I followed some youth pastors and had to get a job. It's like, I need more, you know? So I think that's what Erica's saying, and I agree. And so she goes, but, you know, I mean, maybe it's not like the Manson family, but maybe it's a cohesive, tightly controlled environment, and some people thought Bikram Yoga was a cult. So, ¿qué the fuck you gonna do? I don't really know what the point of Erica's little tail was.

10:24Ronnie Karam: Erica's having the best season she's had in a long time. She's so funny just being there commenting on everyone else's stuff.

10:30Ben Mandelker: Yeah, she's sort of like moving towards like just a queen at the, drunk queen at the bar.

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13:43Ronnie Karam: but not physical or sexual. Oh, and they want the girls to marry the boys in order to, well, I mean, you make babies right away, and I mean, then you're stuck there, am I right? But do they let you leave freely?

13:56Ben Mandelker: And the man does like, Oh, I ran away in the middle of the night. Everyone's like, oh. And so Jennifer's like, did they ever track you down? She's like, well, they tried. I called the place where the pastor was licensed and ordained and told them to call him and to leave me alone. And they did. And I never heard from him ever again.

14:15Ronnie Karam: And Jennifer just goes, wow, that was easy.

14:20Ben Mandelker: She's like, I canceled my membership to the cult. It was very simple.

14:24Ronnie Karam: It's harder to get out of a 24-hour fitness than this cult.

14:27Ben Mandelker: Tell me about it. I'm still freaking subscribed to LA Fitness, even though I've canceled. Dude, me too.

14:32Ronnie Karam: I still have 24-hour fitness calling me from like 20 years ago. And actually, I had to write like a lawyer letter. I had to do all this stuff. And I finally got out of it. But then they refunded my money and I didn't know about it. And it's like$200 that's been sitting in like the money owed thing in the state. So my uncle keeps going through to see if any caroms are owed money because he's a miser. y siempre le envió me an email, Ronnie, you have money with 24 Hour Fitness waiting for you, but I can't get it because it's my old address from a zillion years ago, and I don't have anything with that address on it anymore.

15:06Ronnie Karam: So it's just sitting there. Texas has it. Thanks a lot, 24 Hour Fitness. You see, 20 years later or something, I still can't get that fucking money back. That's a cult, Amanda.

15:15Ben Mandelker: Well, it's like LA Fitness. How I canceled my LA Fitness membership back in 2020 or so de la pandemia 01 el Y luego descubre sus horas después que ahora se estableció que se billen me parezca que sea mi enseño porque quería ver favourite Fundación en mi cocoa de mi crack generalmente, pero ahí died por otro tiempo en aquello, bien lo o lo que será porque estuvieron semщigo pero no lo p nochmal tener su pie hearings.

15:45Ben Mandelker: So, esooyanne, sí, ahora habíamos Communist que trató beforez � missing les pensaba Tinderero y правда ahora era Sup significantly maravinha. money back because on principle this is terrible because like on principle this is awful but then part of me is like well but then i just have a membership so like i do have access to la la fitness around the country technically right so i'm like i'm like i don't know what to do and now

16:05Ronnie Karam: i'm just stuck getting charged like 14 a month you're still getting charged yes oh my gosh well you have to be able to stop it now and you can still write the letter now and have it yeah i

16:19Ben Mandelker: creo que yo creo que yo creo que yo creo que yo creo que el principal es probable el mejor way de run your life so you know what guys i'm gonna leave la fitness culte me to do it they stop fucking charging me about$12 or$14 although that is kind of cheap that's what I'm saying it's like part of me is like if it if they've been charging me like 35 or$50 I'd be like I'm out but it's like a really good rate so I'm like I don't know you know like maybe I'll be in the

16:45Ronnie Karam: ¡Gracias por ver!

17:15Ronnie Karam: ¡Billy bright lipstick! ¡Gotta it's attached to a coat! ¡But then she's like, ¡But then I left! ¡And then we're like, ¡Oh my God! ¡And then what happened? ¡He ran away in the middle of the night! ¡And then she's like, ¡That's it! ¡I mean!

17:34Ben Mandelker: ¡It's like the end of The Sopranos! ¡Yeah! ¡It's like, what? So Doreen's like,

17:39Ronnie Karam: ¡Well, if you had to escape in the middle of the night, surely there must have been some type of pressure! She's like, I'm happy that you brought this up, actually, because it really wasn't at the forefront of my mind anymore. But then I brought it to me, and I had a really great conversation with Erica. And then I sat down. Guys, I have an announcement. I outlined my next book. And Boz is like, oh, my God.

18:06Ben Mandelker: Boz is like, this charlatan, this Montabank. So Kyle's like, everyone's just like, oh, my God. Amanda goes, and it's going to be on this topic, which is all kind of perfect. And I'm like, really happy about it. And Rachel's just like, oh my God.

18:23Ronnie Karam: Rachel turns her head away. She just moves her head. And Kathy's like, oh. Well, did you ever want to go back after you left? Because there was something that made you want to leave the system. Oh man, okay. Well, I don't know if I have the stamina for this story. Oh, God. Amanda, it's the most boring story I've ever heard. So she takes a dramatic sip of water. And Dorit's like, well, if you're going to write a book about it, you're going to need stamina. Trust me, as I'm a book writer.

18:54Ben Mandelker: Well, I can write a book. I've proven that. And then everyone's just like, whoa. So Amanda says, I believe that when you're open in life, you get exactly what you need. y no sabía que necesitaba que la persona que le hiciera a la gente a inspirar a mí para que le daba pero Dios le daba y nos vamos a capitalizar en la vida vamos a escribir la libro gracias a Dorit bless her y her ghost writer

19:22Ronnie Karam: She es so fucking crazy so did I send you this did I send you this social thing of her that she put on Instagram this week hold on let me make sure I'm going to play it for you now Es Amanda con su bright red lipstick y hat. Y ella está walking around. Y esta es una de sus positivas Instagram messages. I bet I can help you raise your vibe in about 30 segundos. ¿Está listo?

19:49Ronnie Karam: Todo works out for me. Money comes quickly and easily to me. Life is on my side. God is on my side. I am on my own side. I know who I am. I know what I do. I expect the best. I receive the best. I am the fucking best. I create good shit in the world and I get paid for it. I love who I am. I love what I do. I know my worth. I know my work. I know my role in this world. It's all for my good. It's all in my favor. Just shut up already. Why do I feel like that's what she says? It just keeps going.

20:30Ben Mandelker: It just keeps going. I know my worth. I love my worth.

20:36Ronnie Karam: I love how she talks about it. I am what I need. I know my worth. You know who I am in this world? She's walking past like recycling bins. She's like, yes.

20:48Ben Mandelker: Also, like, literally the most culty things you could be saying right now. She's like, guys, I left the cult and I'm safe now. She could not sound like more of a cult leader than she does in this moment. Yeah

21:03Ronnie Karam: I mean, you know, the message isn't bad Like telling people, you know, you need to believe in yourself And positive thinking and everything I think it's more the price list That I'm like, oh, fuck off It's like, well, okay, here's what you get $15 ,000 to journal I'm like, no, no ma 'am So yeah, she's full of shit So Sutton's like, well, it's funny to me That everyone's like, why do you want to share a room with Amanda? Well, she's interesting in this very wild way You know, because Amanda You have a very interesting life Ok, so how is the rooming? Do you enjoy it? Does the man ever fart? Can't imagine her ever farting Well, we actually listened to Taylor Swift When we got ready

21:42Ben Mandelker: Sounds like, yep Having a great time Having a great time rooming with her Wow, we listened to Antihero Four times in a row I love that Erica was disgusted She's like, oh god Rachel's like Like, wait What happened? ¿Qué?

22:06Ben Mandelker: So Sutton is like, well I just want to make sure that she feels welcome here in Florence with us. That's it. Oh, oh, well you getting soft, Sutton Brown. Yes, I am getting soft. Kathy goes, well, she can switch on the dime. Watch out for Sutton, right?

22:24Ronnie Karam: You're up to Sutton Brown. So now it's the next day and Kyle's doing lunges in the V Zeca

23:01Ronnie Karam: You guys, I named the book and I've talked about it on Instagram. It's happening. Thank you, universe. Thank you.

23:10Ben Mandelker: I love Amanda clinging on to the as fuck, you know, convention. Just like desperately clinging to 2017. She's like, guys, I'm going to name everything AF. It's so cool.

23:24Ronnie Karam: She's like hanging on to Stassi slang from 2017.

23:28Ben Mandelker: I know. Seriously. She really kind of is. Even Stassi's moved on. So now Dorit's getting glam and Jennifer Tilly goes, she puts on a mask and then she takes the glass elevator down to the first floor and first she gets startled by the polar bear that's awaiting her down there. That's a fucking polar bear right next to this glass elevator. And then she realizes that she's actually trapped.

23:52Ronnie Karam: And she's in some weird face mask. Did you already say that? So her face is like coming off and there's a polar bear and she's like, um, hello. Hello She can't get out I just wanted a cappuccino Not the beginning of Lost

24:10Ben Mandelker: And then we go to the Villa Courtyard And I just got that Lost reference So we go to the Villa Courtyard And now Kyle On the heels of Kyle Acting like she wasn't totally Influencing Amanda Like Amanda thinks for herself y tiene una opinión. Ahora tenemos un escenario donde Kyle va a decir Amanda cómo se debería actuar y responde a todos los grupos.

24:36Ronnie Karam: Es el Kyle y Set and Pep Talk. Y van a Amanda y se van a su laptop y Kyle va a decir ¿Qué te vas a decir? ¡Muy bien!

24:50Ben Mandelker: Creo que Amanda tiene una caja en la pad, y dice, en big pictures. I'm writing a book, guys. So Kyle is like, so how are you feeling about last night? You want to get angry at someone? She goes, well, if I'm being really honest. And Kyle goes, that would be nice. I think I always am Kyle.

25:09Ronnie Karam: Whatever. So to me, the energy feels hostile, tense. You could cut it with a knife and that's not fun. That's not how I want to do dinner. Like, that's not how I want to do it. It was hostile.

25:20Ben Mandelker: Well, then you have to make it stop. Sí, pero la persona que se quiera tranquilo y decir lo que quieren decir es la persona que tiene más control. Así que, bueno, yo me voy a ir crazy. Si alguien se quedó y encontró algo y trató de hacer algo realmente negativo, no es como si estaba diciendo, esto es todo fascinante para mí, me voy a decir, es más como, bueno, tú eres una culto, tú weirdo. Eso es como lo que viene.

25:40Ronnie Karam: ¿Qué pasa? Bueno, ¿no? ¿No se siente que ella no se siente que ella no se siente que ella no se siente que ella? I mean, ella es probablemente jodiendo me. y so Kyle's like well and she was upset for you for judging her about the PK thing but then she's judging you about the cult so why don't you tell her if she has such an issue with people judging before getting to know them then why are you judging me for being in a fucking cult that's what you need to say hello are you going to write this down write it down write it down

26:08Ben Mandelker: Kyle giving a seminar on how to be a housewife which is hilarious but also like it's like it's the manipulation is just so blatant Es just right there She has to resort to just blatant manipulation For this Amanda girl But honestly she's also not totally wrong I have to say

26:24Ronnie Karam: Bueno and also Sutton It's like they're both Sutton's like I'm friends with Dorit now So that's why I'm going to get this girl To yell at Dorit in the proper way That's why she's both trying to use this girl as a weapon It's like Deciding to arm somebody But thinking of giving them a floppy foam sword You know She's just not a good weapon Get a better weapon. You're trying to train the wrong guy.

26:48Ben Mandelker: They've got the wrong Trojan horse here. They just have a Trojan condom. So Sutton is like, like Amanda, I'm sorry, but you're frustrating me. Okay. Don't let her steamroll over you. Only we're allowed to steamroll over you. Okay. Yeah. Like, don't let anybody. Okay. I'm going to get ready guys. I can't talk in circles. Like, cause you can't make a cat, a dog. I don't know what you meant by that, but you probably should just go. It's not an expression.

27:12Ronnie Karam: Kyle, that's not a thing. You can't even make a dog stop eating cat poo while you're trying to watch while you're asleep on your new Rolly TV in the living room.

27:23Ben Mandelker: I thought that was pretty iconic. Can't we make it a meme? Can we make it a gif that's really unfleek? You can't make a cat a dog, guys.

27:31Ronnie Karam: Okay, I'm going running now. So Sutton is like, well, connect with your feelings, okay? And share them. Share them. Why am I eating Cheetos? Why? God damn it. See? Oh my God. That was me being in touch with my feelings. Goddamn cheetos. God fucking cheetos. And I still eat them. You know, it's just my nature, man. Learn.

27:51Ben Mandelker: Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Five alarm fire in the Rachel Zoe room. Guys. I can't even believe this. Pamela. Pamela. I literally wake up out of a jet lagged blackout sleep. And I get this message from Caius. And he says, mom, I heard you match with Amanda Francis. I was like, oh my God. How did you find out? I'm like mortified. I'm embarrassed. Did you get to have your prosciutto melon this morning? You didn't even get to have that. I'm like, it's awful, Pamela. So I want to kill myself because I can't even believe I wasn't awake. And it was like 6 a.m. my time here. So I feel like I'm just going to throw up.

28:23Ben Mandelker: Like, time differences? Like, oh my God, Pamela.

28:26Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I get this text from Caius. And he basically tells me, you know, his dad sat him down to talk about the girlfriend. So Dorit comes in. She's like, baby. Oh, baby. Pepe, enemy, what's wrong with you, pepe? Look at this text from Kyat. Look at it. Look at it. I'm sorry, it's hard to read because the text is moisturized. Just wipe it off a little bit.

28:56Ben Mandelker: Okay, you can stop reading now. It's too much. The conversation I had with him, you know, I won't say his name. Roger, no, don't say it. Don't say it. Okay, I would. Okay, it was just to tell him, tell them about the boys, about the girlfriend. I said, don't bring her around without my consent. I thought him bringing her to the airport before camp was the worst and I already annihilated him for that. Okay, but then the first night you're fucking with him, you're like, he brings her along? No! Yes, the first night in like five, six weeks and like, this is what you do? Dad.

29:34Ronnie Karam: But he knows you're a wee. He knows I'm a wee. He knows you're a wee He knows I'm a wee He knows you're a wee I don't know what you're talking about But yeah, he's a fucking asshole He's a fucking asshole Oh my god, is Skye with him? No, he's at his best friend's house So like Kai Kai, went without Skye Skye And without Mimi, it was terrible Who's Mimi? Just me Commercials, here comes one right now El

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32:33Ben Mandelker: ¿Qué prompted a él en ese momento? ¿No está en ese momento? ¿He just decides a drop, drop a bombolino? ¿Puedo imaginar esto? Es como, Caius no puede llegar a mí, y no puedo llamar ahora porque es 5.30 en la mañana. El whole thing es así twisted.

32:48Ronnie Karam: Este es confuso para mí porque ha dicho que los niños sabían de la gana. I mean, they've talked about it en la gana. Pero, sí, creo que es algo que necesitas permiso para cuando se introduce. Y Roger, I guess, sat down.

33:00Ben Mandelker: Sat them down and was like I'm gonna tell you daddy has a girlfriend Or whatever He had the talk and Rachel did not know That he was gonna have that talk

33:08Ronnie Karam: These men are so stupid Why are they always in such a rush It's like oh here's the new one This just happened in my family Where the ex is like Hey I know I haven't seen my kid in months So I'm gonna make a dinner to see my kid So they go and they're like okay I'll go meet you for dinner And he shows up and then the new girlfriend shows up ¡Es como, ¡surprise! Y they're like, ¡uh, ya, I didn't agree to come to dinner with you and your girlfriend! Y he's like, ¡oh, it's wise! ¡Es a surprise! It's like, what is your desperation with, like, forcing this? Your kids don't care, you know? Think about someone else.

33:46Ronnie Karam: You fucking... Yeah,

33:47Ben Mandelker: that's annoying. So Dorit's like, sharing your kids with your kids that you have a girlfriend is such a finality because you know what that does to a mother thousands of miles away not being able to sweep in y grabar a los niños y hacer mejor. Hemos de sentir como un failure. Un failure que es matcha con Amanda Francis. Just insult to injury. Sí.

34:08Ronnie Karam: Forcimos mis hijos a ser en un situación donde no se sienten confortables. Una vez, Kaisa fue a escuela que no tenía un maestrador en el bathroom. Y él estaba de ahí en dos segundos. No me hubiera de esto. Para mí,

34:21Ben Mandelker: esto es absolutamente disrespecimiento, desegarado por la familia. Y el único que yo creo que ahora ahora es como, ¿cómo se puede ir a casa? ¿Es hay prosciutón en el plane? ¿Puedo ir a la melón, me voy a ir a la presciutón y a la California? ¿Cómo se puede ir a la

34:38Ronnie Karam: ¿No hay que ir a la presciutón en el ¿Qué significa hay prosciutón en el ¿Oh, mi Dios, me encanta este trip? ¿Está bien? ¿Está bien? Estoy aquí, estoy aquí. ¿Está bien?

34:46Ben Mandelker: ¿Está bien? ¿Está bien?

34:48Ronnie Karam: Está bien. Así, Dorit es como, ¿está ¿Está bien? ¿Está bien? ¿Está bien? Sí, ya. ¿Está bien? ¿Está bien? ¿Qué es lo que yo estaba pensando? ¿Y lo que yo estaba pensando? ¿Y lo que yo estaba pensando? Y si lo que yo estaba pensando, ahora sería el momento. Porque si yo ever tomo cigarrillos, esto sería el momento.

35:05Ben Mandelker: Gracias por eso.

35:07Ronnie Karam: Si yo ever perdí cars en la calle, ahora sería el momento.

35:10Ben Mandelker: Si yo ever provided cocayne a Lindsay Lohan, ahora sería el momento. ¿Qué es eso? ¿Qué es eso? Si yo había alguna vices,

35:21Ronnie Karam: yo hubiera que haberlo ahora. Oh, gosh. So that's that So Amanda is just oblivious Man I love this Amanda Just being like what But now I'm writing my book in Italy I just don't understand why everyone's so mad But they do need to stop Trying to make this fight between Dorit and Amanda Happen it's over nothing Give me a break you guys need to do more This cannot I cannot believe we're about to Enter episode 14 And you guys are still trying to get Amanda to fight with Dorit about some Inocuous comment she made in episode 3 Come on It's a real challenge

35:59Ben Mandelker: Wow, running on empty Well, I mean we had fun That's the good part Yeah, always have fun

36:05Ronnie Karam: And you know what, I always have fun watching it too Which is so weird This trip is kind of giving me vibes of that one Where they ran Lisa Vanderpump off And then the rest of the season was like completely dull And they went to France Wasn't that the same season they went to France And it was so painfully boring y Lisa Rinna y ella ya está riendo a la y ella está y es así ¿estamos having fun girls? y yo y yo we're so fun without Lisa Vanderpump y it was just like oh god it was painful

36:32Ben Mandelker: at least this season you do have Amanda Francis being a total idiot and there's stuff to make fun of there and once Vanderpump was off of that season it really came grinding to a halt but that being said it

36:51Ben Mandelker: me. And I just get mad that Miami is sort of on pause and being reconfigured. Or you have Andy saying, well, we just want to get it right. We got these other shows on, so we just want to get Miami right. And then you got something like Beverly Hills just taking up space. And this is a show that has really never had to have a moment of reconstruction or trying to figure it out and rejiggering. And I'm like, I kind of think Azul

37:52Ronnie Karam: Gracias por ver el video.

38:21Ronnie Karam: muy muy bien esta semana. Dorit es bien. Pero, I mean, they're just going to... Bose es un buen voz para tener pero, honestly, no tienen nada que tener nada que tener en lo que tengan tres nuevos personas que

38:33Ben Mandelker: son absolutamente cucu. Creo que tenemos que agitadores de dar. Creo que Dorit es realmente muy bien. Creo que Dorit y Boses y Sutton son muy fuerte. Aunque necesitamos Sutton Strack, no Sutton Brown. I think Sutton's done Yeah, I think that she probably would be done I think Erika honestly could be moved to friend of

38:52Ronnie Karam: Erika should be moved to friend, yeah

38:54Ben Mandelker: As someone who comes in Who's just like, whatever She's really good in this role, like you said As sort of being this kind of side character Who's just chiming in, that's fine And then that also takes care Of the fact that she doesn't really share anything And you can keep Jennifer and you can keep Kathy As all friends of, so we don't need Natalie Quite frankly, I think

39:13Ronnie Karam: That's Kyle's time too, get out Do I déme whether Kyl este año vests giorno?

39:19Ben Mandelker: Es cuando hub 호 Нет看 otraepsis Okmash gentes aquí lo que mal con cinco años de la capital tomando por una практиca. codi, pudo agnotamente que Kyl es... de la línea de la línea. Esto es donde Cande Burris fue. Es como, finalmente, que se aclaró que Kyle es un gran parte de esta franquia, pero se ha sido solo de la gente. No está haciendo algo interesante y está tratando de ser el pop, pero se ha llegado a la parte de la calle. Y creo que es dragging el show down a un certain nivel. Creo que Dorit es muy divertido. Y Bozio es...

40:02Ronnie Karam: We have get rid of Kyle, get rid of Sutton, demote Erica. Who else? I think you need to get rid of one more to bring in three people. Who else?

40:12Ben Mandelker: Well, I guess Amanda, maybe. I don't know. Oh, Amanda.

40:15Ronnie Karam: Yeah, did I not say Amanda? Yeah, get rid of Amanda. Amanda's just not funny.

40:21Ben Mandelker: It's fun to watch her annoy people, but I don't think there's anything. Yeah, she's a good one season.

40:26Ronnie Karam: She's a good one season, one and done, like fodder, cannon fodder. So get rid of Sutton, Kyle, and her And bring in three absolutely bonkers people And then

40:37Ben Mandelker: I'm sorry, I would say If we're getting rid of three I would get rid of Kyle, Erica Erica downgraded Amanda and Kyle fully off the show I think you could maybe give Sutton one more season If we're getting rid of three I would say Erica over Sutton Just because Sutton, when she's unhinged Is like incredibly entertaining And I think that she's just trying to have a quote unquote normal season and if we can go like get her back to being sort of batshit like that

41:05Ronnie Karam: would be good yeah i'm not giving passes anymore i think setten's been really good on this i'm always i've always been a setten fan but this year is just you're giving nothing so go that's what i say i'm not i have no more patience like you're all fired all three of you and then demote erica and demote erica in the most complimentary way because yeah i think she should still be here Y también entre tres nuevos 220 y 120 y 12. mix with this cast they need it they need to do it it's still the highest rated housewives you know i know this is ratings but they are lower they're all they are a lot lower they're still the highest rated but they could be so much better and they're coasting so come on guys to me it's very interesting

41:43Ben Mandelker: that so many of the legacy shows on bravo are actually kind of struggling you know new jersey they're having issues they've obviously been having issues with new jersey atlanta has been sort of having issues over the past few seasons uh this show is sort of dull like the married to medicine a lot of people it's been all over twitter for the this past weekend the last week's episode i think broke people and people are just like what is going on with married to medicine it's like twitter's been like a wash in like remember the glory days of married to medicine so married to medicine is having issues like all the old guard is having issues right now and the new shows and Obviously, Roni is a perpetual problem now.

42:21Ben Mandelker: But the new shows are flourishing. So I think there's something about these older shows. How long do we keep these shows around before you have to give a full refresh? Because if they stick around for too long, maybe they just kind of die on the vine a little bit. Yeah. I mean, I still love them all. By the way, this all comes from a place of love. It's not me hating on any of it. I think it's probably the same for you. We love these shows. We just want to see them be their best.

42:47Ronnie Karam: pero we see that Bravo still has it too because you look at things like Real Housewives of Rhode Island hasn't even come out yet and I know that's going to be good Ladies of London Ladies of London is great, that's a really good one Miami Salt Lake City

43:05Ben Mandelker: Salt Lake City

43:07Ronnie Karam: had kind of a downer last few episodes but I think for the most part that was a pretty fun season too

43:14Ben Mandelker: um i think solid cities are like a little bit in a danger zone of okay you guys are starting to become a little bit too self-aware too like self-producing but it's still by and large like super like super super strong show um i think the new vanderpump rules southern hospitality is a great example like that southern hospitality yeah you know yeah so the good you know they're

43:37Ronnie Karam: still pumping out some really good stuff so they've still got a lot of talent around there Es just these legacy shows And being afraid to fire people When it's time And it's time, goodbye Kyle

43:47Ben Mandelker: Goodbye Kyle By the way, my controversial hot take Is that I actually think That season 2 of Dubai Was really great And that also is another example Of a newer show, although season 1 I thought sucked, I hated season 1 But season 2 was really good So another piece of evidence that we can Create something new y si quieres wrap tu cabeza around it properly Bravo knows how to put together a really entertaining show

44:16Ronnie Karam: well I'm sure they all listen to this they're all on a board meeting right now just playing this thank you Bravo alright everybody well thanks so much for being here we will talk to you a little bit later with ladies of London the

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