#3261 Ladies of London S4E03: DeWine Truths

0:01¡Cumpleaños, Lesslie!

0:03Ben Mandelker: ¡Feliz cumpleaños, Rafa! ¡Sopla, sople! ¡Traigan la manguera, que son 45! Cuando cumples 45, te toca soplar muchas velas y examinarte contra el cáncer de colon, ya que al detectarse temprano, es más tratable en 9 de cada 10 personas. Usa la prueba de Cologuard en la privacidad de tu casa y envíala de regreso para obtener tus resultados. La prueba de Cologuard es una opción con receta para detectar el cáncer de colon en personas de 45 años o más con riesgo promedio. Resultados positivos deben ir seguidos de una colonoscopía. Pueden darse resultados falsos positivos y falsos negativos. La prueba de Cologuard no reemplaza la colonoscopía en pacientes de alto riesgo.

0:43Ben Mandelker: No uses Cologuard si has tenido adenomas, si tienes enfermedad inflamatoria intestinal y ciertos síndromes hereditarios o un historial personal o familiar de cáncer de colon. Pide la prueba de Cologuard a tu médico. Para más información en español, visita colorguard.com diagonal prueba.

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1:55Ronnie Karam: Bueno, hello, Don Cusane, darling Don Cusane. I'm Ronnie, that's Ben. Welcome to Watch What Crappens, everybody. It is Ladies of London Day. It's a Friday, Season 4, Episode 3. We're so excited to be here. If you want this on video, or you want bonus episodes, or you want Discord server, or you want to just talk to us, or you just want a hug, go to patreon.com slash watch what crappens. You can also sign up there for a very free blog post that goes up every week recapping the week in Bravo in a very fun, delightful way. We'll be at South by Southwest this week, so hopefully we'll have a bonus or something about that next week for you.

2:36Ronnie Karam: In the meantime, Ben, how are you?

2:40Ben Mandelker: Well, I couldn't be any better because it's Ladies of London Day. I'm so excited for that. Also, by the way, the last time you're going to hear us talk about this, the very last time, the very, very last time, Kizwi, get your replay of the crappies. Today's the last day. That's why. So watch it tonight. Spend your Friday night watching it because after tonight, you will never be able to watch it again. It's gone.

3:04Ronnie Karam: Dead buried. But that's also the last time. Go check out the list of winners over on our Instagram. Yeah. Yeah. But I am great. We never release a list of the winners. Why don't we do that? We should have a whole archive of the winners and we should be sending them awards and stuff. I mean, what the hell? We are incompetent.

3:26Ben Mandelker: We'll figure that out. Let's talk about how good Ladies of London is. Third episode. It's just, it's so good. Even an episode like this, which was like a heavier, quote unquote, heavier episode. Like, the fact that there's still so much acid in this show that just cuts right through it is so amazing I'm absolutely loving this reboot and it seems like everyone else is everyone's talking about it I was a little worried at first

3:54Ronnie Karam: during this episode because there is a lot of slowness and we really do see that the people don't know each other that well. I mean they know each other in separate clumps but we see like oh they really don't know each other they have to have these getting together to get to know each other and I thought uh oh danger maybe the first two were just a fluke, but then it just got really, really good. And it is extremely dark and so the stuff we have to talk about gets really dark. And I mean, what are we going to do? I'm just going to go at it as the show does and just laugh anyway because what are you going to do?

4:28Ronnie Karam: I mean, yeah, honestly. But ultimately good. And my new hero, I of course love Martha. I think everybody loves Martha. Kimmy is just my sociopath queen. I love Kimmy and Y yo creo que su reacción era así me en esos situaciones. Justo, oh, fuck, tengo que escuchar. Ahora todo el mundo tiene que decir a la familia historia. Es muy me. Y yo lo que ella no tiene que decirle. Ella es así. Por el final de la episodio y la previa para la próxima semana, ella no importa si no te gusta. Ella no importa si no te gusta. Si no te importa si te gusta. Y si te gusta, o no te gusta, o no te gusta, o no te gusta.

5:06Ronnie Karam: Yo solo quiero que alguien con esa confianza en su propio personalidad. me too

5:13Ben Mandelker: this was Kimmy's episode if the last episode or so was Martha's episode, this is Kimmy's moment she is so hilarious she's so cutting and honestly what she said was exactly how I was feeling watching the episode I was like well this is a tragic story and I know I think last week we talked about or last episode we talked about how we would like to hear more for instance about Missy's brother but at the same time it's kind of like this is where you decide to do it y ahora todo tiene que serios y estamos en un lugar en el mundo en la sociedad donde cuando se hacen esto, tenemos que ser muy, oh, que es terrible que es terrible, ok, no, nos holde espacio para eso pero la verdad es que lo que estamos pensando es estamos aquí para que un buen y hay un buen y hay un tema y hay un tema de la historia y luego te vas a dropar esta bomba entonces, yo estaba totalmente con Kimmy en la vida I know es mean y es uncaring y insensitive pero es también so real.

6:11Ben Mandelker: We all know. We all have been in these situations y entonces en la car driving back home from wherever you were y you're with your friend y be like ¿Es it me? ¿O did she totally kill the conversation? ¿Did so-and-so just kill the conversation? Y es like ¿Y es? Oh my God I felt that same way too y that is what Kimmy is for us right now.

6:27Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Alright. Well let's get into it shall we? Season 4 Episode 3 Whining in the Rain. So it starts with everybody talking about London. Margo's like, it matters so much where you live in London. I mean, something you always say when you meet someone new is like, oh my god, which part of London do you live in? And when they say their neighborhood, you just know so much about who they are. You know where else is like that? Everywhere. Everywhere.

6:57Ben Mandelker: Like in New York, you could just say where you live and people are like, but what is that? I don't understand anything about you when you say that you live in Brooklyn Heights. Kimmy es como Bueno, yo he vivido en Belgravia Por 20 años y ahora En Chelsea Y ha sido bastante expensive Pero yo lo amo Y dice Chelsea equals Affluent

7:19Ronnie Karam: Bueno, yo vivía en Knightsbridge Right by Chelsea Mayfair, Notting Hill You're right in the middle Of the action Knightsbridge

7:27Ben Mandelker: Luxury Y then Lottie es como I live en Islington y Hackney, que son mostly arty people and creatives whereas I would say if you're in Kensington or Notting Hill people are a bit more interested in material things, so Hackney is artsy which by the way, if you want to live well in La... oh go ahead Ben I love that Lottie is doing the whole we don't care about material things as much, I'm like your entire your entire occupation is about material things tailoring high end Suits, that's material things

8:04Ronnie Karam: Yes Missy says If you want to live well in London I recommend find a rich husband Notting Hill Boho chic Then we see Micah walking around a flea market Type thing and she sees An antique phone and picks it up And she's like hello London calling Oh god you're so American just stop it

8:26Ben Mandelker: The second time in a row The show's not even going to bother saying where she lives She's American We won't do that to you all

8:34Ronnie Karam: You've got ketchup on your face What are you eating your Happy Meal at the thing Come on America

8:41Ben Mandelker: So Micah tells us Portobello Market is one of my favorite places In all of London So many antique phones where you can just pick up a receiver And say hello London calling It's very British And then there's all these vintage shops You can buy vintage earrings and you can buy cameras And you can buy literally almost anything It's so cool It never gets old They're like please lady leave our beautiful market Go away get out of our You're dropping down the property values

9:08Ronnie Karam: There's nothing that said There's no t-shirts here that say London on them Please move along tourist So Lottie and Kimmy come up And Lottie's like What have you found and Kimmy's like nothing What else would we find in a place like this Some opera glosses Maybe I need some opera glosses sometimes I do have a pair of those actually I do I just bring them for the look

9:35Ben Mandelker: I love Lottie I think Lottie does not want to be here She looks around and she goes Oh, telescopes Material things, who needs them So Lottie's like Well I guess upper glasses are pretty good for the races Yes, I just have them for the look So Micah's like Guys, you want to get some coffee? Oh my god, London calling y me need caffeine ¿Cómo mucho tiempo do we have to shoot with this American? I don't know, just give it about half an hour we'll get a cocktail, it'll be more bearable

10:06Ronnie Karam: They cross the street like me they just walk right into it and Micah's like, oh my god, be careful and Lonnie says, well they need to stop pedestrians walking right out in the middle of the road that's how I do it too so they go to the Notting Hill Bakery and order and I'm just like, where's Hugh Grant? porque yo también soy un American así que sé que Notting Hill es donde Hugh Grant y Julia Roberts fell en la vida

10:33Ben Mandelker: I am just hoping que Julia Roberts can run into someone there who's holding an incredibly bright orange glass of orange juice porque eso es lo que siempre me recuerda que no se ha spillado orange juice en un momento y es como fake orange juice porque tiene que popar en cámara y es como orange paint basically on his shirt and I was like that's not real orange juice that's like the image that's like seared in my mind from that movie that's what you left with so Lottie's like okay asking the girl to have more realistic orange juice

11:09Ronnie Karam: can we please get some more realistic proper okay Julia deserves better guys so I just liked Lottie's order because I don't know if she's so beautiful and like so tiny and she's like I'll have a white chocolate with raspberry croissant, please. I was like, that is just not fair. Come on, man. And Micah's like, why don't we get a ham and cheese croissant and a quiche and I'm going to blame it all on you because you're pregnant.

11:32Ben Mandelker: I feel like right there is the difference between British and American. British is white chocolate and raspberry and American ham and cheese croissant. I don't know, it just felt so like blah. And of course, I would want the ham and cheese over the white chocolate and raspberry because I'm a monocle.

11:50Ronnie Karam: No, hell no. So they sit down and Kimmy's like, well, I mean, I had a lot to drink last night. And Lottie's saying, well, you needed more alcohol last night with everything that happened. She's like, oh, well, tell me, last night was very strange because when all of this kicked off, and then we see a flashback to last night and Dara's friend being like, you're speaking about a person with that person in the room and you're telling her to talk about other people. And Missy's like, tell the truth. You tell the truth.

12:22Ben Mandelker: Bueno, Micah, I was expecting you to say something. Micah's like, I was in shock. Honestly, I was like shock calling from London. Remember this callback when I was playing with the phone. Did you guys see me do that bit with the phone? It was hilarious. Anyway, I was in shock and I was just kind of like absorbing it. I wanted to hear what Missy had to say. Well, I felt bad for Missy because I think she got blamed for being the messenger. So we see Missy like getting into a fight with Dara and everything at that party etc. Once again, they do it like three times this episode, they show Dara saying I didn't say those things.

12:59Ben Mandelker: Five minutes later.

13:00Ronnie Karam: I said those things. This is Dara. So back to present, Lottie's like, well she was being made to look out like crazy and you were stuck in the middle, so I felt for Missy and I feel really sorry for you and Dara should really own up to the shit she's been saying and stop running around denying it because it's just false. Yeah, I mean, just say it to my face. I mean, just say I'm basic and stupid and you hate me. Why can't people just say things to my face? I really think the upsetting part is that I heard it from friends over the years that Dara has spoken bad about me, but I didn't want to believe it.

13:33Ronnie Karam: And, oh God, then Missy of all people just kind of confirmed everything. I just hoped it wasn't true.

13:39Ben Mandelker: Well, I thought you handled it well, to be honest. Thank you, because I teach poise. So in that moment, I was practicing what I preach And it's not always what you do But it's like the composure in the moment for me And that is the strength It's like, oh yes, by the way, you have a bit of ham and cheese Hanging off of your chin Oh, I'm so sorry So Kimmy's like, well good on Micah for like being polite But then why would you cry over a friend like that? She's hideous, get rid of her I always say, when someone's horrible or toxic Just flush, flush, flush, flush, flush, flush Flush, flush, flush

14:13Ronnie Karam: I mean, if they're horrible and toxic, they have to at least be funny. She should have reached out to you already and apologized. Why are we still talking about this? I can't. I'm smelling the ham and cheese from here, darling. It's like, well, actually, I just missed a call.

14:29Ben Mandelker: Well, we have to assume it's not your husband because he probably doesn't want to call you. Right. So I'm assuming that's Sarah. Right. There's only two people who would ever call you. Right.

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18:04Ronnie Karam: es un marzo. Bueno,

18:07Ben Mandelker: I always love to give people the benefit of the doubt and this time I guess I just, I don't know, and so Kimmy's like, well, I think because you come across a little bit too genuine, people take advantage, which is not a bad thing, but you've got to be careful. I don't know. I always say, I don't make, don't mistake my kindness for weakness. No, no, no. We just mistake your kindness for stupidity. That's it. Very simple. Yeah. Well,

18:30Ronnie Karam: for my own mental kind of well-being, I want to talk to Dara. I want to hear from Dara. I want to give Dara the opportunity to tell me things and to tell me the truth. I want to say, This is Dara. This is Dara. Well, you know what you could do? You could say, Listen, we have to have a chat, but I want to do it by walkie-talkie.

18:58Ben Mandelker: Everyone's like, Could someone get the Americans out of the pastry shop, please? So Missy is She's saging her apartment

19:06Ronnie Karam: Of course she is, this is so Missy She's like I sage, I'm a sage

19:11Ben Mandelker: I feel like Missy is kind of a faker And like I Like this was the episode where you're supposed to feel Profound sadness and empathy for Missy But I'm like so team Kimmy That like now I'm like she just She just brings the party down She arranged that entire trip Just that way she could tell her sob story And make people be like Oh my god, Missy As was noted, it is a legitimate Very serious sob story But I'm kind of like, she ruined the fun I hate her now

19:42Ronnie Karam: Yeah, well She is a real housewife of Cheshire Did you know that? Yeah, yes Did you bring that up last week? I think I actually told you that Yeah, you did tell me, sorry So, you know, she's going to bring it all out She knows the game So she's like, okay, here we go Episode 1, trauma So she talks about how hard she works to live in London And she used to have these big homes and cars Because she was married to rich dudes And now she's got a small apartment But it's her own And her son's off living with the dad And she just has it for her and her daughter And she looks around and she says You know what?

20:19Ronnie Karam: I did that Oh no! That black mark on the carpet I did that too It was the sage Very positive carpet

20:30Ben Mandelker: So Missy FaceTimes Kimmy And she's like, hi bitch, you look gory And she's like, well I wore my sunglasses Because I'm a bit pissed Which means drunk for all the Americans And Missy's like

20:42Ronnie Karam: We get a chyron for all the words It's like pissed equals British slang

20:46Ben Mandelker: For intoxicated I know, they had to do it a lot this episode Missy's like, oh I'm a bit hungover To be honest with you Well I'm both So I called you because

20:59Ben Mandelker: i'm both i'm pissed now i'm hungover well i called you because i would love to invite you to a day out in london in a beautiful vineyard where i could make you feel very sad about something so oh great and so now she's calling everyone inviting them to go to the winery she's got cars are gonna pick everyone up and lottie is like you know for a pregnant person what what am i going to do with a fucking winery es horrible bueno, es muy bueno para ir a Londres y tener some fresh air pregnant people like fresh air, right? ok, fine, I guess I'll do that

21:31Ronnie Karam: well, it's going to suck for you wherever you go there's nowhere fun to go when you can't drink

21:37Ben Mandelker: well, I think that because of what happened at Dara's dinner it felt like I was a bit of a drama queen and there's no way to make people feel like you're not a drama queen than gathering them all together making everyone laugh and stopping laughter by telling a dramatic story of childhood and by childhood I mean a few years ago

21:52Ronnie Karam: So Kimmy's like, well, how much am I allowed to drink? That's my question She's like, as much as you want, just control yourself Good luck with that So then Martha arrives at a storage facility And she's like, hello, I've come to access my units And the guy's like, okay So he brings her to the unit And they have to bring down this big, giant, wooden storage unit thing with a crane And he's opening it Entonces, ok, poando lo que he Cuando haremos esto de unéndez Estoy de alguna vez de muchos momentos en

22:37Ben Mandelker: mis hats Lo que está en mi sería Bunun O desde que qu поряд xu almost like garbage bag but chic coat and she's on a bike so it's all like the air is like her whole coat is like puffed up in the air so she's just like this big entity just arriving but then when she gets off the bike the entire thing deflates and so she's just wearing this big saggy trench coat kind of thing and she's like you know you never know what weather you're going to get in London I have a coat on just in case although it's pretty big holy shit this is where storage units keep their storage I'm your storage unit's favorite storage unit Hashtag shop around

23:27Ronnie Karam: Well you know I was just destitute Poor Blenie-less after my divorce But this is not the first time I've rebuilt but hopefully This time I'll get it right Hard blink hard blink Smile through the pain Smile through the pain

23:44Ben Mandelker: So Martha's saying I want my things back I want to walk into my place and feel like I'm at home. Just feel the warm trickle of a leak coming through the ceiling and the rosy scent of black mold in the walls. That's what I want.

24:00Ronnie Karam: This was Polly's hat. I can't get rid of Polly's hat. But why don't you just keep one or two of Polly's hats and then you can get rid of the rest of Polly's hats. Oh, you know, she's dead. It's not like I'm going to get any more Polly's stuff.

24:15Ben Mandelker: I had two sisters and now I have one sister. Mi abuelo de la sista died de suicidio en 2013. She had bipolar disorder. Loved her enormemente, pero mi relación con ella era complicada. It was a muy challenging relationship. Entonces, we cut from that to her wearing her dad's fez. She has this big fez on her head and she's just crying. She's like, God, I miss him. I was like, this is very sad. This is very sad and I would be also crying in the same situation, but the fact that she's sitting there crying in a giant fez was sort of a funny image to me.

24:46Ronnie Karam: Pues es la imagen de la que se dice, ¡Dati's Fez! Y luego se brings out esta boat. ¡Dati's sailboat! Así que se está holding esta boat, wearing a Fez. Y Margo es como, ¡Marta! ¡Lives tienen big ups y downs! ¡Has tenido big ups! Y así, ¿no? ¡Has tenido más que más gente que crea de! ¡Has tenido, pero... ¡Has tenido, pero... ¡Has tenido, pero... ¡Has tenido, por un tiempo! ¡Has tenido, por un tiempo! ¡Has tenido, en la Fez! I can't

25:17Ben Mandelker: You know, it just feels like such a failure To not have my life more together at 45 And I don't really know how to get out of this down Okay, I know, listen This is part of moving out of it though, right? Because you have a safe new home Emphasis on safe, right? Well, I don't know how safe it is Because I've given my keys to a stranger

25:38Ronnie Karam: Given my keys to a stranger And we see her on the phone with Kimmy And Kimmy's like ¿Youaced Dereching a Googleículos? No, it gets creepy. He's like, I'm not doing the job And I said, well drop back my keys Wait a minute, you gave him your house keys? Darling

25:54Ben Mandelker: So back to present, Margaret goes So tell me exactly what happened Did you get any references from this guy? And Martha's crying, she goes, no, I didn't get any references Did you get any pictures of the work you'd done before? No Oh god, Martha

26:08Ronnie Karam: And Martha, you gave him keys to your house Yes y es holding this boat in the fez she's like yes I gave her the keys to my house and Margot goes what the fuck is going on with her I mean she has serious life experience that has told her you cannot trust strangers and then we see the headline Martha has to move after man makes choking sounds as she walks home at night and Margot's like well who knows if he even made copies of the keys Margot and she's like I don't know I don't know

26:40Ben Mandelker: Martha, I'm sitting here feeling sorry for you And now I'm looking at you thinking Are you doing this on purpose? No, I'm not I'm scared to be there But I'm not going to be thrown out of my house By another fucking man No, no, no You're not going to be thrown out of your house By another fucking man You're going to be thrown out of your house By you Seriously, seriously though If you're going to keep acting like this I'm going to have to take a step back From our friendship What was this?

27:04Ronnie Karam: She just starts yelling at this crying woman In her dad's face at the boat She's yelling at her I was like, what are you doing? He's like, no, please, Margo, don't. No, no. If I have to come to your fucking house and find your dead body, I mean, who do you think would do, what do you think that would do to us? What do you think that would do to us, Margo? He's like, no, I gotta take care of your magpie.

27:27Ben Mandelker: Oh, do take care of Hecate. Hecate, Hecate, Hecate, Hecate. Please take care of my sweet little bird. Please, I beg of you if I die. No, I'm not going to take care of your bird. And even your bird is mad at you, okay? y por el martha looks despite all this martha somehow looks so chic in her stripes and she sort of has like shoulder pads or whatever and like this high-waisted pants she's just as like chic and crying and margo's just like berating her it was i was like i don't want to

27:56Ronnie Karam: become one of those horrible people and just because the world has been cruel to me i just refuse i'm sorry i will not be a person that refuses to give a strange homeless man his keys

28:07Ben Mandelker: you don't have to be cruel not to be a victim you have to care about yourself more than other people that's really hard muscle to exercise when you've never done that look, I've always been nice to you and no matter what, I cannot be this close to someone who's on a suicide mission I was like, Margo, can we change up that verbiage please but if you keep acting but if you keep acting like this you're just going to be fucking dead with nothing to show for it and I'm going to say, oh, my friend Martha I loved her so much I know 6 has waited your whole life for someone to take care of you and they never showed up you have listen to me Martha Fikora please take this to the campy space that it deserves to be give her a slap across the face

28:51Ronnie Karam: you know she almost did I'm surprised she didn't take that boat and just throw it down

29:02Ben Mandelker: shake her by the shoulders you know do the whole thing Stop it Martha

29:07Ronnie Karam: You stop crying

29:10Ben Mandelker: I'm listening, I'm learning But it's a tough learning curve, Margot I'm trying, I'm just not very Fucking good at me, it makes me so angry It makes me so angry that I trust these Fucking people and then they're horrible By the way, do you have a car I gave Mine to a random person on the street

29:25Ronnie Karam: So she tells us, yes, Margot Hard blink, hard blink Can be quite hard blink Critical of me, but I know that she does it porque ella quiere que me sea mi mejor versión y todo lo que ella está diciendo es correcto pero a veces es... es... es... es difícil de tomar

29:44Ben Mandelker: Estoy engrado esta vez Margot y no estoy engrado con ti entiendo por qué me está engrado no estoy engrado con esto ¿Qué? Estoy engrado a la fez de la charity ¡Goodbye, young fez!

29:56Ronnie Karam: ¡Pues, PLEASE, Margot! Margot es como, ok, tú estás sobbing ahora No, no, no, no, no.

30:30Ben Mandelker: things, goes walking with her mom to go shopping. So, she's like, thank you for coming down, mom, to do a bit of baby shopping. I haven't really got much. So they arrive at a place called Luna and Curios, and she walks into this baby shop and she's like, hello, so we're sort of pregnant. It's like, you don't say, you're at a baby shop. The employee's like, oh, congratulations. You're not the first person to do that. Never hear that. Yes, you know the Americans say It's not my first time at the rodeo But that doesn't make sense to us out here So let's make up It's not my first crumpet I've bitten into

31:09Ronnie Karam: Well we're just looking for some baby boots really She's like oh right well there's a lovely baby section Just through that way Crawl there Let me know if you need anything You fucking losers So her and her mom go in And her mom is Tina Gathers I know we bring up Tina Gathers a lot But her mom is like Tina Gathers sensor habla hacia la cabeza

31:31Ben Mandelker: en su!

31:37Ronnie Karam: no

31:59Ben Mandelker: más de tres popas. So popas mean buttons en snap buttons en british. So they're counting popas all around. And they're like, look, look, this one has one, two, three. And then Jane goes, four, five, well, that's a bit ruined. Unfortunately, we can't be getting that little jumper because there's too many popas.

32:19Ronnie Karam: It's a popa orgy in here. Move it on. Move it on. She's like, I love my mom. We're really close. And honestly, I think my shopping addiction started with her porque ella me llevó a la mall y me llevó a la gente de lo que era de la niña, es solo su culpa, me llena yo. Ma 'am,

32:37Ben Mandelker: you literally started the episode saying that you live where you live because you don't care about material things and now you're talking about your shopping addiction? Get it together.

32:45Ronnie Karam: So, Lottie's asking her what she was dressed in as a baby and she's like, oh, easy things to get on and off, darling, you know? She's like, I feel like I started dressing myself quite early. Oh, you did, darling. I've always been interested in fashion. As a young kid I would come down the stairs In my house and my dad would say Oh having fun with your fashion again Are we

33:06Ben Mandelker: Lotta you know he was being sarcastic Right She's like I was supported From an early age by my father who appreciated my love Of fashion I was like no he's like Oh congratulations you're wearing your pants as your Shirt again Lotta having fun with fashion Again

33:21Ronnie Karam: He would always say things to my mother like oh Are we letting her dress herself for school again this morning

33:26Ben Mandelker: Mad way

33:57Ronnie Karam: y ella es como y espero que dad se pueda involucrarse en cosas oh yes especialmente si ven y estén y si plane i plan a lot porque you know you've got a lovely home now mother i was like oh no what was wrong with their home before seems like we do

34:12Ben Mandelker: time for some backstory um where i learned some uh more british terminology that i did not know and i love so she says my dad worked his way up from becoming an engineer to being a director and then a ceo but then in 2008 we had the financial crash y a lot of people were made redundant and I was like made redundant and it says that that's British for being laid off and I think that is so hilarious like I'm sorry but we're going to make you, you're redundant now.

34:41Ronnie Karam: You've been made redundant I mean laid off is offensive enough but of course leave it to them to make it even snottier like I'm sorry you've been made redundant You are

34:53Ben Mandelker: redundant unfortunately so just think about that while you have no income

34:59Ronnie Karam: so she goes but with that came a very lucrative redundancy pay yes redundancy pay made redundant, laid off so she says that they were a big middle class family and they went from that to being upper middle class but there's a class system in the UK and you know it's as much as who you're born into or born out of, you know what I mean but you don't just necessarily move up porque hay más dinero. Creo que el termo que se usan es nouveau riche.

35:30Ben Mandelker: Este es el cazieras sobre todo el tiempo. Mi padre climbed su camino a la parte de la corporación y fue como un ingeniero y se became un CEO. Pero perdimos todo en la crisis. Actually, no perdimos todo. He had un gran severance y fue tan bueno que vivimos el resto de la vida astuadamente. I was like, ok.

35:51Ronnie Karam: I thought this was a happy story, right?

35:54Ben Mandelker: It was, it was like, because we're so used to our family had it all and then we lost it all in the recession and we couldn't find a job again. It was just really cruel and it was just so sad to see my father who had worked so hard and now he spent the last 10 years just sort of in a funk. It was like, no. And he had a great golden parachute and we've been living very well since then.

36:13Ronnie Karam: And now he's rich, rich as hell, I tell you.

36:16Ben Mandelker: We're like, you know, like if it weren't for the caste system, we'd be like just hella up there in British society, you know?

36:23Ronnie Karam: So they talk about the husband Joshua And the mom's like So do you think now Joshua Is going to be looking after the baby You know she hates Joshua And Marty's like well he's very sweet with the cat She goes well that's a bit different Than a cat then isn't it It's a baby Do cats have bangs I don't think so It's like well He does the litter trays She's like well that's good practice Just hope your baby can find some gravel to poop into

36:56Ben Mandelker: And of course they have a hairless cat Like I would never expect them to have any cat that has hair Of course they get like the most sleek and slender cat of them all

37:05Ronnie Karam: Yeah, we've got to get the ardiest cat What says ardiest more than a hairless cat?

37:09Ben Mandelker: He works so much I said to him, you know, you might want to think about taking the first two weeks off at work And then that was an absolute no Oh, so he's not going to do his six months paternity leave? No, exactamente, no leave at all I was like, okay, here we go Here come the issues

37:27Ronnie Karam: Well, you know, Joshua, he loves to work That's his other baby I hope he can take time away from that baby To spend time with our baby I mean, the positive note is he's already taken care with her name He's already named Helena Bonham Carter And then we see

37:43Ben Mandelker: We see that they basically pay $467 American For the baby clothes Which is what I'd expect on this show But also, if Joshua's not going to help with the baby Could he at least make some baby clothes I mean, this is his job, you know So they pay And now we go to Kimmy with her two kids And they arrive at a place called Peter Potter And it's basically like Color Me Mine But in London And so it has a better name Peter Potter And they sit down to paint some pottery

38:19Ronnie Karam: So they're figuring out what they're going to paint And Kimmy's like Oh, look at the little piggy banks Look at the owl, Mimi I think you should pick one of these And Amadeus is like I want to buy you a vase And she's like, oh, thank you And he decides to do a burger And the daughter's going to do a vase And she's like, well, I'm a pretty hands-on mom Because Mimi, obviously, she's on the spectrum So she's behind people on a lot of things So I try to bring her into anything that's hands-on y ella disfrutó que es un muy lindo character cuando es enjoying algo y tiene un corazón y me diga que esta kid can take down una box de vino como un sailor y luego

39:00Ben Mandelker: Mimi dice I'm going to do a vase just for mom porque mom broke it y dice, well, actually, I think your dad broke my vase y Amadeo es como no he didn't, y dice, yes he did the Vanini vase that I spent a lot, a lot of money on the good news is Mimi's making me another one Es un buen día que hay un mimi, pero no olvides que no olvides que es tu padre que broke el vaso, el expensive, expensive vaso.

39:23Ronnie Karam: No te olvides que es tu padre que broke el vaso. Ahora, granted, es un problema con su cabeza que se rompió en el topo de la cabeza, pero aún es su cabeza que broke el vaso. Watcha tu boca. Watcha tu boca.

39:35Ben Mandelker: Y por qué tu padre no se ha extra en la familia dinner. night. Stuart and I, we've had a lot of ups and downs, which is the theme of the episode. Ups and downs. A lot of ups and downs. But I just kind of try to move on and try to turn the page. Only because I know the experience of when two parents have a very fractured relationship. Then she tells us that she comes from a horrific breakup family and she says that her mother blamed she and her brother for everything for the divorce, which was weird because they were kids. y cuando ella era 10 o 11 her father took them y se fue a la vida en la vida porque her father fue asociado con la gente y el régimen de Duvalier en la vida y entonces entonces ellos fueron en la vida y luego de Miami y ella no habló de la vida y ella no habló de la vida

40:25Ronnie Karam: her story es justo y es como ella dice ella es como y luego de la vida y él fue con la Duvalier en la vida get a picture de este Y entonces mi mamá, playing basketball, no hablar de eso para 10 años y no hablar de eso. No hablar de eso. El hombre, no sabía que...

40:46Ben Mandelker: El story es crazy. El story was Miami and Haiti. Yo estaba esperando... Yo estaba en Granada, Connecticut, y luego fui a la escuela en Hotchkiss, y luego luego de eso, yo hice Sara Lawrence y luego de mi camino a Londres y luego de mi tiempo en San Andrés. No, yo estaba en Haití y en Miami. I was definitely, definitely not expecting that.

41:07Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Well, you know, I think my mother had her own personal issues, but she was young and she was in her 20s. She was probably angry, you know, realized she married the wrong guy. Been there, lost a base over it. But yeah, I don't feel like, you know, any strong maternal presence in my life. When I was young, that's probably why I didn't want to have kids. I don't want to fuck them up.

41:32Ben Mandelker: ok well Mimi good job Mimi's like a Jackson Pollock over here am I right

41:37Ronnie Karam: she's got that mother critical I love it I love that like bit of critical stuff that seeks in and the kids like I'm having fun mom she goes oh that's what counts she's terrible at this terrible

41:51Ben Mandelker: wow I can't wait to hide this vase in the back and just say that your father broke it again Comercials, here comes one right now.

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44:45Ben Mandelker: So, now we go to Micah. She goes to Chestnut Coffee Shop and she orders a latte. And she sits down with... Dun, dun, dun. This is Dara. Wow, Dara's already back And I loved how excited I was I was like, normally when someone leaves the show It's then not until the next season Or at the season finale that we circle back to them And it's like, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god A confrontation with Dara But we're like, nope, we're getting right back into it

45:09Ronnie Karam: I was really excited to see her too I was like, wow, maybe they got her to unquit or something

45:13Ben Mandelker: I was like, I was not expecting a bonus Dara scene So Dara So Micah comes up, they're both wearing cream And Micah comes up to greet her And Dara goes, oh my god I was literally posting an Instagram post I'm like great story Dara Micah goes

45:30Ronnie Karam: Just now No Micah I kind of see what Dara is saying about Micah I was posting an Instagram You were like right now Yeah cause like I've been waiting here forever You ordered something She's like I did I got a vanilla latte It's me I'm angry I'm in my angry lady hat I'm in my revenge hat So let's see what you have to say about it There's Dara that's a good friend And then there's the side of Dara that I'm learning really fast I can't trust Like when did she do that Instagram story Nobody knows

46:06Ben Mandelker: Which of course it turns out Mentioning the Instagram story was just a highlight That she was there at first and waiting So Dara's like so how's it going She's like well I don't feel great after we last saw each other I feel like I've been holding on to that Have you really Oh, that's such a non-public facing person thing to do Wow, wow So that's so sad for you to have to hold on to that But I guess it's kind of all you have, right? Since your husband's never around Did I say too much? Oops

46:36Ronnie Karam: And so we see all these flashbacks Mostly of Dara just being like I never said those things And then to production I did say those things So then back to present, Dara's like Well, I mean, it's really just not that big of a deal Like, I think what's a big deal? y ella tenía que decir en frente de todos los los que, que es lo que el problema es, ¿no? ¿Por qué? ¿Por qué? ¿Por qué? ¿Por qué? ¿Por qué? ¿Por qué? Pero, ¿por qué? ¿Por qué? ¿Por qué? ¿Por qué? ¿Por qué?

47:03Ben Mandelker: Dara, expertly making it about her. Wow. They really let this one fall through the cracks. She is, wow. Micah's like, well, I mean, but, like, I was the one in the moment where it was like the negative things were being said about me, and I was really just, I was not only shocked, but I was so hurt and I was just like the person that I would have wanted to lean across the table to hug, to protect me was the person that was saying the things that they were coming from She goes, well I do stick up for you all the time She's like, yeah, that's what friendship is That's what friendship should be She's like, I know, and I stuck up for you that night at the table, remember?

47:40Ben Mandelker: And I got to that moment where Dara doesn't know what else to say She goes, um, Micah's my sister mi cringy walkie talkie buying sister and I absolutely loved the walkie talkies so much that I threw them in the trash because I was afraid I would be so distracted by my love for them

48:01Ronnie Karam: ok but I'm just telling you how I felt yeah I get it but like I felt the same way ok but like you shouldn't have told her that stuff do you understand but I didn't tell her babe I didn't I mean she was just like She just happened to make up stuff about walkie-talkies using the word cringe.

48:21Ben Mandelker: I feel like Dara had such an easy out here. She could have been like, oh, I was just joking. I was like, oh my god, Micah can be so cringe, walkie-talkies. But then it turns out it's actually really sweet and that's what I love about her. There's so many ways you can spin it. Because I think that Micah just wants that. Because Micah would be like, oh my god, yeah, I know I totally am cringe. That is me. I'm not denying that, but I'm also authentic. No, and that's what I love about you, because we need people who are just like, give fun gifts like that. It was taken out of context. But Dara does not even try.

48:53Ben Mandelker: She's like, no, I never said that.

48:55Ronnie Karam: I never said that. And her defense makes it even worse, because she goes, did I say anything directly to Missy? No, she obviously overheard it. Okay, so you've been saying to other people that she's cringe and embarrassing? You have no reason not to trust me. I mean, Christ's sake, you know me. No me.

49:17Ben Mandelker: I don't even know how to respond to that. Because I've come to this table to find out what the authentic story and truth is here. And it's only denial, defensiveness, and deflection. The three magical D's. So Micah's like, I want to feel now more than ever. I need to feel safe in a friendship, right? Yeah, but it goes both ways too. See, I'm really committed to making me somehow the victim of this situation.

49:42Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but it should go both ways. y nos vamos a sentir safe yo tengo tu back, tu mi back ¿tienes que yo siempre me siento que yo siempre tu back? ella dice, y yo espero que yo siempre me siento que yo siempre me siento y ella dice, oh my god i can't es como, es como, es como, en un circles entonces, ella tries again y ella just keeps trying y es así, es como, es como, en un lugar y a la, Dara, me sigue pero me too, babe, me too y, finalmente, Dara, es como, en un circles

50:10Ben Mandelker: pero es como, Dara, es como, en un lugar La primera vez que se hace que Mica es la primera vez que es el que se hace. Es así. Es así.

50:19Ronnie Karam: Yara es como. ¿Yuién? I love you. I don't want you to be upset. Y así Mica es como. I've known each other since we're teenagers. Pero I'm gutted. Gutted, I tell you. OK, well I have to get back to work. So I'm sure you have to get back to whatever it is that you're pretending to do for a job. So you go, girl. Love you.

50:42Ben Mandelker: Dara, la cantidad de contempt en Dara's eyes, donde ella era, no era así, no era así, no era así, yo did decir esos cosas, pero no era así, y, y, ella era así condescending, I mean, era muy rude, pero era así, era así, era así, porque Micah, no era así, no era así, no era así, Yeah.

51:04Ronnie Karam: So, now it's 10.23, and Mark pulls up on a call to Missy, and Missy has an umbrella, oh, it's raining, Oh, London, am I right? The most wonderful things about Great Britain, the weather. Because it's always reliable. Reliably ghastly.

51:22Ben Mandelker: Oh, yes, a good old dose of British weather here, haven't we? And I have not dressed for it. That's too bad. Also, I gave my raincoat to a stranger in the park because he said he would paint a wall for me. And unfortunately, that was about three months ago. So I've been wet for a while now.

51:38Ronnie Karam: They get into the fanciest Cars I've ever seen The fanciest minivans I was like wow They were so nice Oh my god So they all pile into a couple of those And Kimmy comes and she's like Oh I don't mind a little rain But it's pissing down right now

51:59Ben Mandelker: Well thank god You've got the wellies Wellies, waterproof boots So Emma is Boots,

52:08Ronnie Karam: what did I say ¿Qué? ¿Bones? ¿Qué did I say? Boats, which is what my mom always called my shoes because they're so big. So in the car, I'm sure, darling, I just don't want to confuse the audience who's going to walk around after the education that they've had of watercraft.

52:23Ben Mandelker: Boats already waterproof. Why would I say a waterproof boat? It's ridiculous. No, I was just trying to have your back. Oh, darling. If you can't, Ronnie, if you don't stop this right now, I'm going to have to take a step away from this friendship, okay? porque yo no voy a ir a la ronnie como la gente no

52:39Ronnie Karam: pero paulie es dead i can't get any more paulie daddy

52:46Ben Mandelker: so emma is there and she's like how does one dress for a day at the vineyard in a hurricane you just got emmed and margo is like well i don't even know they had vineyards in england which by the way fun fact i wish i could remember who told me this because i hate giving fun facts without being able to give a source But what I was told is that because of global warming, the wine belt has actually gone north. And so a lot of the vineyards in France are actually having issues and and British vineyards are becoming a thing because it's warming up enough that now Britain is part of the the wine climate.

53:26Ben Mandelker: Now, I don't know if this is true or not, but that's what I heard. And everyone go tell it at Cocktail Partners this weekend and see what happens.

53:31Ronnie Karam: Spread it and tell them you learned it on a waterproof boat I mean look Wine Belt Britain Oh wine tasting with Kimmy This is going to go bad for everyone No this is every day of your life What are you talking about So they get stuck in traffic It's 1141 and they're supposed to be there In like an hour and it takes three And he's like but I have to leave it too on the dot I mean imagine We were supposed to get this slightly earlier

54:02Ben Mandelker: So yeah, that's crazy that took them three hours I mean luckily again they're in like the most luxurious sprinter vans of all time

54:10Ronnie Karam: And they walk right into this winery and he goes Alright everybody, goodbye

54:14Ben Mandelker: I know, I'm such a selfish bitch The journey took three times as long as it should have taken But I really want to be there But I mean, heaven knows I love a wine tasting But this afternoon I have charity meetings I work for three charities Mi principal responsabilidad es ir a walk up to children Y ridicule them to their face Y hay que decir, que siempre hay precedentes Over a social event

54:37Ronnie Karam: First, I've got to go to the Headbands For Cancer With Children Children With Cancer Charity And then I have to go to the Plants For Roly Polies Charity And then the Helicopters For Ladies Named Helen It's a very, very Very dear to my heart Cause, sorry ladies

54:56Ben Mandelker: So this woman named Elaine es como, ¡Ladies, welcome to our original vineyard! Two are not drinking alcohol, so here we go! And Lottie's like, oh, I hate being in a winery and not drinking wine. Smelling it's even worse because then you get a whiff of it and then you're like, I just want to drink it. The worst place ever to bring a pregnant woman. They're like, shut up, Lottie. The scene must go on.

55:16Ronnie Karam: Well, we pair diamonds to sparkling wine because they're two of the best things in the world, so they must be enjoyed together. So I'm going to invite you to try and pair the wine we've just tried con una de las gemstones que hay solo una respuesta, ¿alright? Así que Kimi le dice, Y dice, All right, all right, diamonds. Okay, bueno, yo me pareo este con tu blanco de blanco porque es todo chardonnay y yo diría que era el chambalaje. ¡Bing! So, ¿y tú eres el experto del grupo?

55:47Ben Mandelker: Sí, y yo diría que este es tu blanco de noire porque es todo pinot noir y todo es un poco más darker, un poco más murkier. ¡Bing! ¡Oh, mi Dios! Oh, look, este vino es muy citrosy Tastes como un Lean Paz a la caja de la santa A la creme fraiche de la end ¿No le diría?

56:06Ronnie Karam: Estáis como, ¿Una una job? Emma dice, yes She needs a job, Emma's here now Classi Emma, she's like, she does She needs a job, don't be fooled By the shocking, outrageously Inappropriate sense of humour She's actually a very intelligent Person, now can we see Clips of her sense of humour Dicho de mi persona ¡ 재미 !"

56:42Ben Mandelker: Emma es más積b� Wouldnet hace una buena triste Tasta otra. Vicoomma ¡Itoуйте un mago en Lali Rancho! ok ladies you're going to sit down and have a lovely meal but all you'll do is laugh laugh laugh laugh well great can we have some more blonk de blonk by the way she says blonk de blonk I feel like ten times I don't know why

57:05Ronnie Karam: it makes me laugh but every time she says it I crack out okay well we'll have some more of your sparkling blonk de blonk

57:15Ben Mandelker: wow it's a real blonk de blonk

57:17Ronnie Karam: kind of day right Missy what a great idea what a gorgeous ¡Gracias por ver el video!

57:51Ben Mandelker: nice thing to share a few personal stuff and then I will share my thing which will be the most serious of all okay so who wants to try to start one-upping me okay okay who goes first missy oh it's something

58:02Ronnie Karam: it's something serious how about you go first give me Emma because she knows she won't do it so Kimmy's like well I'll go first fine all right well I have three nipples I'm just joking I'm just okay okay well I spent a lot of time in Haiti growing up when my parents got divorced my Mi padre es Haitian. So, every time I go to Miami with my father, and my father's really funny, and there's like a huge shopping mall in Miami, and all the ladies in the kiosks are Haitian. And my father says to them, Creole, he goes, you know, I found this little white girl in the mall. That was funny. And then I turn around and I say in Creole.

58:39Ronnie Karam: I'm like, oh, I've already slept with him. Don't worry. Give him a discount. Beat that. Beat that, guys.

58:46Ben Mandelker: And then she says that, like, she says that in Creole on camera. I was like, this bitch speaks Creole? What? It's amazing. I want to see Kimmy hang out with Kiki on Miami and just see them speak Creole together. Because that is like, I was like, oh my God, Kimmy is amazing. So Micah's like, she's like, well, my mom's from Boston. My dad's from Barbados. So I'm half Bahan. And growing up, I didn't come from a place where that was normal. y tengo un familia y el respuesta es que sí, yo hice send some walkie-talkies a Rihanna pero lo que fue fue especial para mí y siempre fue muy orgullo de eso y no creó con formal manners o etiquette y mi career fue como oh, it came out de la deep insecurity de no idea de lo que estaba ¿no?

59:33Ben Mandelker: ¿están people falling asleep mientras estoy telling mi historia? ¿can we have some more blanque de blanque please?

59:41Ronnie Karam: y Margot es como bueno, I've just been copying everything you do I was just eating my Fis without my knife and I was like oh my God I'm not supposed to scoop in I'm supposed To stab it and put in my mouth I just Copied you you're so good by The way this food that they're eating is Gorgeous it's a piece of fish I don't Know what the fuck is even on top of this fish it's The most beautiful artwork on top It's a beautiful dish whatever

1:00:04Ben Mandelker: Words so then Mark was like Okay my turn in the early 2000s I made a movie at the time it was The sexiest British film ever made It was called nine songs and the News of the World put out a hotline for anyone who had información about me because i and i became literally like hunted game and we see a headline that's like you know there's like you know in the movie like uh there's an ejaculation on scene on camera and everything and kim's like oh is it like a porn film talk about blanc de blanc am i right she's like no it went to can it wasn't it can't be a porn film because it went to can

1:00:37Ronnie Karam: well i'm going to have to go a bit more deep i think okay everybody i lost my brother very publicamente en london and they're like oh oh wow margot was just talking about a movie

1:00:49Ben Mandelker: where she caused the guy to ejaculate on camera and she's like okay i lost my brother very publicly

1:00:59Ronnie Karam: missy so martha's like may i ask what happened and she says well he got shot in london he got shot and martha everyone's like oh my god i'm so sorry geez and she's like he was so handsome and celima y lo carnaval upon 16 años y les de a dios Trale, se dice que era una av acknowled chip de que fuera donde en la tuna esposa y son ocho y expecte y el는ista y el ada insane

1:01:32Ronnie Karam: ac care将 Saturday

1:01:36Ronnie Karam: y el juego y pensaba, es cuando Big 있어서 porque todos piensan que mi familia son crooks y por qué le die, como si era un drug dealer y todo el mundo es jodiendo la muerte y ha sido tan tan bien y ha sido tan tan bien porque yo intento de que quede en mi cuerpo, pero me diciendo que es como confirmación que ha pasado y Mike es como, wow Alex es still en tus veins he still lives con el y es solo que se quiera y Kimi, y Kimi es como, oh god

1:02:07Ben Mandelker: no sé viendo los y el chico es oh no y es es como un día de una cosa y no te me equivocó es 100 % de un tragedia y no me voy a que quiera de misy es un terrible terrible thing que ha pasado pero tú ves Kimmy y ella es como oh my we were just talking about how Margot made a guy come on camera y ahora esto wow jeez y por el cual y esto es un muy sad parallel a la original Ladies of London que también y también había un gran de la cuando noel su su su su su su su su su su su su su su su su su su su su su su su su

1:03:17Ben Mandelker: More than I had anticipated. I mean, how about we talk about something funny, am I right?

1:03:24Ronnie Karam: And she's just like, whoa. I started cracking up because it was kind of what I was thinking. Because when you watch these shows, you know, especially in the past decade or so, everything is about your trauma. It's all based, you know, the only way to get anything is like, okay, now it's your time for your trauma. And they have to do it on every show. They do it on Big Brother. They do it on Survivor. It's like, oh, my God, I didn't find the rice. Y esto me recuerda de la época cuando mi bike fue stolen cuando yo era un niño y yo era literalmente run over by a roadrunner. Y entonces la whole time, ellos talkan sobre eso.

1:03:57Ronnie Karam: Y así, es como todos los que se han hecho social capital based off de su trauma. Y tú eres solo para ir con eso. Si es tan annoying, tú eres solo para ir, ok, bueno, eso fue sad o lo que sea. Pero just que Kimmy es como todos los insidores. Y como, oh, Jesús, I'm in a whiner after you hear about your dead brother.

1:04:13Ben Mandelker: ¿Qué es eso? empecé a Marine de Suede滑pe en un área que casi me atre guys me sceneció

1:05:13Ronnie Karam: No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no. It seemed like typical reality fodder to me, where they're like, okay, everybody, let's unload our traumas. I just liked it. You know, the reaction to it was so rude on Kimmy's part, especially later. Here she wasn't really being rude. Yeah. But it's just, it was nice to see a different reaction. It's just like, oh, God, why do we all have to talk about our traumas? Can we just have some fucking wine? Because in real life, that's what you, you know, it's like, oh, my God. What's what you're thinking? Así que todos los demás están muy bien y están como, oh mi Dios, eso es tan triste.

1:05:47Ronnie Karam: Y luego Missy, entonces, dice Emma y dice, ¿Aún te lo vio? Que fue un gran uno. Como, buen luck. Buen luck. Fue un buen me, b***h.

1:05:56Ben Mandelker: Sí, era un un un, era un un poco de un trauma olympico que acontece en reality TV. Así que ahora es tu turno, Emma. Y Emma es como, no sé qué decir, mi Dios. Bueno, ya, porque Emma es como, yo own Longleaf Pass Safari.

1:06:12Ronnie Karam: ¿Es difícil difícil de tener riqueza? Y ella es como, es un gran desafío. Y yo siento una gran responsabilidad, no solo para los pueblos de este país, pero para los rinos. Y Missy es como, especialmente porque eres una mamá, tú, ¿no? ¿Quieres hablar de eso? Ella es como, ¡Oh, sí! Para ser una madre, yo trabajo más difícil de ser.

1:06:33Ben Mandelker: ¿Y Margot? ¿Qué suena lo suena? Él runa el negocio, lo suena todo. ¿Y tú lo haces juntos? y Kimmy es como, oh, y es el funniest guy, y es, es hilarious pero es muy serio y business minded Emma es como, no giving anything, she es como es, es hard

1:06:51Ronnie Karam: So, so, your husband is a duke es que es, um, Marques well, I don't know what's the difference, because I'm not English so I don't know the difference, and Kimmy es como, well, it's higher than a duke I'll tell you that much, and then we see on the screen, it's like, high arc de la iglesia nobilidad de marcas o viscount baron baronet no tire ya

1:07:14Ben Mandelker: el corrector so kimmy es la pena que no creo que es muy muy muy muy muy bien jesús so no martha's turno as well here's my story of a lote tattoo a sister killed herself she was called polly and it's the p from a signature and i wanted it in white but it i got it done like two or three days after she y yo no estaba en un estado en la batalla con el tatuador y yo me dijeron

1:07:38Ronnie Karam: oh mi dijeron escuchando a todos mi dijeron jeez no necesito que es un poco que es un poco que me da un poco o mi shrink y luego

1:07:47Ben Mandelker: me dijeron y ella dice bueno i want a kind of reciprocate everyone being vulnerable so about 8 años ago my dad was diagnosed with liver cancer she goes oh god

1:08:00Ben Mandelker: they started him on a miracle drug. It's been eight years now and he's still with us. Oh, that's amazing. That's amazing. Kimmy's like, oh, God. This is inoperable. I mean, this was supposed to be a nice day out. And I felt bad for the vineyard people. I was like, sorry, sorry for such drips.

1:08:17Ronnie Karam: Well, I think we should have fun now, so let's go have some drinks. And so everyone's like, oh, great time, Missy. What a great vulnerable lunch. We just loved it. So now one room has champagne pong set up. And then in the other room is Kimmy talking to Margot. So we start with the beer pong ladies and they're like, oh my god, beer pong. It's like beer pong but with champagne. This is crazy.

1:08:41Ben Mandelker: Yeah, and they're talking about beer pong and Kimmy's like, okay Margot, we need you to go talk. Okay. So let's talk. And she's like, my god, that was just like way too much. She's like, oh, because we had the chat. She's like, I mean, this is like an NA meeting, am I right? Narcotics Anonymous.

1:09:02Oh

1:09:03Ronnie Karam: And Margo's like Well you know I mean It's kind of a big deal And she's like Oh God please So we go back To Champagne Pong And um They're talking And Lottie's like Well you know We didn't really hear Anything from Kimmy That we didn't already know I was just Wondering if she's Normally that way And Martha's like Oh she's amazing Don't worry But Can she be vulnerable Because I think it would be nice To know something more About her I mean I shared how my father Had cancer But he's fine now ¿Y qué tal? ¿Dónde te digo el hombre que loste su hijo pero es rico ahora? Muy bien, lo que lo hagan para mi padre.

1:09:38Ronnie Karam: Pero realmente, ahí es un gran punto de vulnerabilidad. I mean, incluso el rico rico habló de cómo se tiene que tener un barco en la calle. Es tan depresente, darling. Me lo siento.

1:09:47Ben Mandelker: ¿Qué es Lottie hablando de esto? Primero, Kimi empezó a la of, así que no sabía que la tona de esto era de, be like oh let's share trauma so she's she was maintaining the tone of the conversation which is like here's a fun story of my life my childhood in fact she shared that she spent time in haiti and and i thought that actually was insightful and i just feel like she didn't know that it was going to turn into like let's all share something that was like really sad and scary let's like let's like trauma bond over this she had no idea that was happening so you can't blame her for that

1:10:16Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I think she was picking up on Margot's, or I feel like her name should be Margot, don't you? But it's not as Kimmy.

1:10:23Ben Mandelker: Everyone's name has an M in it. Everyone's name either starts with an M or has prominent M's in it.

1:10:28Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but she seems like more of a Margot to me. Like, oh, Margot. But it's not as Kimmy. So I think she was picking up on Kimmy's looks because the camera kept catching Kimmy and she wasn't doing overt, like, oh God. But her face was like, oh God, another fucking sad story. bueno, ¿cuál es su esposa? ¿Y tú? Así que se hicieron, ¿qué es? Y ella está diciendo, ¿es alguien que está diciendo que Kimi es un viejo de la vida? ¿O es solo me?

1:10:59Ben Mandelker: Sí, sí, están tratando de hacer Kimi el villano, pero no es porque todos los van a turnar a Lottie y Missy. Así que Kimi es como, yo, Margot, todo es muy bien. Yo creo que la gente es quieta Eso es porque pensaba guardANDRIL Gracias por favor Pues no, es lo mejor

1:11:23Ben Mandelker: Siebelin deINS Fuenas veces Y tal vez la de hecho Cuando Christiane Oh no, no, no We were just friends We were Konaugy friends Communicator Wow

1:11:37Ronnie Karam: Cuando se dice Dangoc hypoc buzz porque ella ESO a smirking, it goes to the commercial, but when we come back she's like, ''No, we didn't hook up. I mean, come on.'' She's like, ''Well, I swear to God we didn't. Well, do you think that Emma knows that you're a bad, or do you think that Emma thinks that you're a bad influence on her husband? What are you saying?' She goes, ''Oh yeah, you know, he put me, you put me in steel and in a box. We'll just laugh our heads off.'' And he's a bit crazy and she's kind of a grown-up. Which is quite ironic because she's a younger person

1:12:13Ben Mandelker: So then over with Champagne Pong, Martha's like, oh, Emma, do you have any otters there in your safari? She's like, yes, we do. She's like, oh, if I can get this, can I go in with the otters? I'd love to swim with the otters, please. Do you think any of the otters know how to paint an apartment? She's like, well, I mean, who can feed the otters in a wholesome manner? ¿Qué the hell does matter?

1:12:36Ronnie Karam: So Martha Misses the cut but Emma drops the ball In for her and they're like oh my god Martha won! She's like oh my god I've simply never chosen To live responsibly And she's like I get to feed the Otters naked In their pool Emma's like oh god So then Missy thinks the night went so well She feels so supported And she's so happy to have this group of ladies y así, todo el día de la mañana

1:13:08Ronnie Karam: y Margo, estamos en Margo's car, y Margo dice, ¿Has visto? ¿Has visto? La chat. Oh, Dios. Listen, I just can't deal with that. I mean, cuando people start opening up too much, I just find it disingenuous.

1:13:25Ben Mandelker: Y creo que es lo que yo estaba picking up on. Also, something felt like, I don't know why, Disingenuous is not the word I would use But it's like that sense of like Why are you doing this? What are you trying to achieve right now? So Martha was like Well, but I didn't know that about Missy I feel really bad And Kimmy's like Well, I mean, I know the story It was some drug related thing Which is like on the heels of Missy saying Like it's been so hard Because everyone thinks that we're crooks And involved with drugs And she's like Well, yeah Well, that's some drug thing that happened Margot's like Well, I mean, that's what the press said But who knows what the real story was no nuance.

1:14:01Ronnie Karam: Right, right. Bueno, I'm just saying, though, at the end of the day, you get nothing for nothing. I mean, there definitely was some drug-related thing. I mean, it was. It just was. So Martha's looking it up on her phone, and it says, Swedish kickboxer found guilty of murdering Father of Two, an organized hit. And Kimmy's like, well, I mean, that's what it is. I mean, let's not make it into some fucking sob story. Come on.

1:14:24Ben Mandelker: Margot goes, it is a sob story. It is literally a sob story.

1:14:29Ronnie Karam: Oh, so you just think that way you think that just happened by fucking accident?

1:14:33Ben Mandelker: I think it doesn't matter.

1:14:35Ronnie Karam: It doesn't matter. Oh, God. Listen, have you ever watched Saturday Night Live? I mean, there used to be a character called Debbie Downer. Debbie was just always the person that would come to the party and be like, oh, my sister died. I mean, God. And then the whole party would go, well, shit, you know? I mean, I hate Debbie Downer, so just hate him. Call me old-fashioned.

1:14:55Ben Mandelker: And then it zooms in on her and goes. Kimmy es como, bueno, es sad, es horrible, pero es lo que es. Marco es como, bueno, jesus christ, ¿qué haces a girl got to do around here para que haya algún sympathy o empate? So Martha es como, oh no, he shot him, he shot him eight times.

1:15:12Ronnie Karam: Well, there you go, there you go, point proven.

1:15:17Ben Mandelker: I just thought that was so funny, like, what is Kimmy, like, what point did Kimmy just make? Well, there you go, eight times, see? Nothing to sob about there. A real sob story is ten times.

1:15:27Ronnie Karam: Martha's like oh my god Well no listen I've seen a lot of stories like this There's so many stories like that Where goes like yeah but I mean I've never met anybody that that was their family Well I have I mean when I was living In Haiti as a young girl the gun crime I've seen growing up as unreal I mean none of this None of this fazes me I mean none of this fazes me It's just crazy

1:15:53Ben Mandelker: She's being pretty flippant about something really horrific pero igualmente, creo que es un deflexión. No quiero que salga y harpa en las cosas que me han hecho 30 años. No me hagan, me hagan. Me hagan, me hagan, me hagan. Can we get some blanc de blanc en esta carta, por qué?

1:16:07Ronnie Karam: I thought it was interesting because it's this whole episode about how vulnerable... Let's show all the darkest parts of these people, basically. You had the scene with Martha and the storage unit. I mean, it's been pretty dark and this was making me laugh but I thought it was neat como martha turned it and she was like well i do think this is projection and then they cause then it makes you look at it like oh yeah this is like kimmy is like a deeply sad person you know who's just like i don't want to talk about this shit and so she just keeps going on and on she's like i mean i'm not talking about shit from 30 years ago i mean it just makes me feel worse martha's like well i don't know why you're yelling at me i wasn't arguing with you she's like no i'm not i'm just going to throw my hat at you and just kick it off

1:16:56Ben Mandelker: Margot es como, tú acabas de estar en la eyeline. Pero, I agree. Clearly, Kimmy's tiene una edad de la edad de la edad de la edad donde hay una visión de divorciación. La mamá que se ha de con lo que la psicología que se ha de con su mamá de la edad de la edad de la edad de la edad de la edad y luego de la edad donde se obviamente fue exposed a una violencia y no probablemente no quiere revisitar esos momentos y esos momentos y así todo el sobrador de la edad de la edad es decir Lucy don't take me back there ...... so es muy interesante pero creo que también

1:17:52Ben Mandelker: en estos momentos. I love that. Yeah.

1:17:55Ronnie Karam: Good show. Good show. All right, everybody. Thanks so much for being here. We will talk to you next week. Bye. Bye.

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