#3267: Summer House S10E7: Spin the Throttle

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2:23Ronnie Karam: And today is Summerhausen Season 10, Episode 7, Makeups and Makeouts. Whoa! Whoa! Wow.

2:35Ben Mandelker: Makeups and makeouts. It's all happening. Very excited to dive into this one. So, we begin with Amanda. And she's announcing that tonight they are going to be playing Spin the Bottle. because they're all just sitting around in their living room. And it's going to be like a truth or dare spin the bottle. But I think they're just going to kiss. So they get into an arrangement and buckle up, everyone, because this goes on for the next 12 minutes of airtime.

3:06Ronnie Karam: Yeah, this is one of those episodes of Summer House where I'm like, is it over? Is the show just over? What are we doing? You guys are too old to be playing spin the bottle. Sorry. And I'm definitely too old to be watching you play spin the bottle. and being like, and who's going to make out with Jesse and pretend that that's fun? Have you heard his new song? I haven't. I watched it in silent and it was still painful.

3:32Ben Mandelker: I heard some of it. Like somewhere in our drunken South by Southwest weekend, I heard a clip of him singing and it was just like, it was just so generic. Like, I didn't know you could be more generic than Michael Buble, but apparently you can be. And it's Jesse Solomon.

3:46Ronnie Karam: He wishes. is i can't even believe you would say michael buble because that's like his dream he's like going for that you know yeah wow um but yeah here we are um it's a makeout episode of summer house tonight we're gonna play spin the model or like truth or dare spin the model like oh wow so fun so um they do that and west is doing this thing where he's like i'm so sad about sierra i'm not buying this you know you won't even make the effort to take a shower and comb your hair i do not believe you're going to make the effort for sierra and then he has this whole episode where he's really trying hard to get the audience i think on his side with this whole like i'm into sierra thing and then we see in the previews him being like yeah but i've just i'm gonna hurt her and then doing the typical fucking thing the typical fuckboard thing but i'm afraid i'm gonna hurt her and then sure enough by the end of the preview she's crying like yeah a hundred percent

4:41Ben Mandelker: yeah I'm sort of like over this this thing of like I don't know this like sad sacky like you like me you're not like me I kind of I'm like shit or get off the pot okay shit or pass the lover boy whatever it is like I'm just like the little touching or whatever it's just also passive and wimpy so Sierra's like are you sad he's like no you drunk okay fine so kyle um uh he he winds up like sort of flopping down on the sofa in a way that like it basically bailey winds up stuck next to ben which is her nightmare because she can't stay on ben these days because he was addicted to her the last episode yeah and uh so she's stuck next

5:30Ronnie Karam: to him and amanda tries to make the rules where you know if married people or if people are dating and ben's like no no no fuck that there's not different rules to different people if you want to play we're all fucking in and sierra's like yeah he says nar nar nar jesse's like well how convenient ben wants to kiss the married people again and ben literally cracks up which proves Bailey's point from last week Jesse could make the joke and everybody would laugh I mean I think that Jesse making the joke and everybody laughing is because he's part of the friend group more like she's new here and also she actually likes awkwardness yeah and it's a callback and everything but still but still it's openly mocking the fact that he wants to fuck Amanda which everybody knows

6:15Ben Mandelker: you do yes exactly so oh my god Amanda and KJ the spin the bottle spins and the bottle lands on KJ KJ who is still dating Dara by the way as revealed last night on Watcher Happens Live so they have like a cute little kiss he kisses her on the cheek and then Kyle spins it and it lands on Jesse and they are hilarious and they're like kiss on the mouth kiss on the mouth they kiss and then Ben does it and guess what the bottle points to Bailey

6:52Ronnie Karam: yup and they make they fully make out you know they have like a real make out yeah and he's a hot guy and he knows how to make up with you when he's wrong he may not know how to say i'm sorry very well but he does know how to say i'm sorry in the right way by giving you a good solid romantic movie make out and it works she's like

7:12Ben Mandelker: okay i forgive him yeah she totally is won over by his kiss it's just so funny i don't know like i'm just i feel like i'm seeing him as a faker and faker person the whole like oh i got actually He's so, I get so embarrassed when you talk about girls and relationships and I'm a really shy guy. And then he's like a shy guy, but then is like has real strong Dick energy and not like big Dick energy. I'm talking about Dick, like personality wise energy towards Bailey last week. But then he like does, I don't know. There's something about the kiss coming out strong with the kiss that I just didn't love.

7:46Ben Mandelker: I don't know. It's like, it's all like not, that doesn't add up with what he proclaimed his personality as earlier. and you're the one who made the girl cry last episode,

7:56Ronnie Karam: but now you're just going to give her a kiss.

7:59Ben Mandelker: I'm just going to do it over. Something is just not adding up for me. It's like I can't put my finger on it, but he's really curdled for me.

8:08Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I mean, but you know what? Here's the thing about curdling. Milk is interesting and it's delicious and it's tasty and it's worth the stomachache. Ben's just boring. I'm not even going to give him curdling, you know, things that I really like curdle. Ben, I don't really hate. I don't really like him. He's just some blah, basic dude. So I don't really care. Yeah.

8:33Ben Mandelker: So Ben is like, well, you know what? I hate her sense of humor, but at least she's a good kisser. So, you know, whatever. She's like, whoa, that was not a hate kiss. That was like a good kiss. I think my hand was on his face. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, she was rapturing during it. She was like, like her hand was like on his face. And she was like, it's all I ever wanted.

8:58Ronnie Karam: So Levi kisses Kyle's cheek. Sierra gives KJ a peck. Jesse kisses Wes. Sierra makes out with Bailey. And then Ben spends and gets a dare. And it's to jump naked in the pool. You know what? No one did. Let me tell you, in a group full of non-model people, no one has that as a dare. no one has ever dared me to get naked and jump anywhere they're like is that even a dare on this cast anymore my friends play please keep your clothes on Ronnie that's the games we play at parties

9:29Ben Mandelker: but also they jump naked into the pool every episode so it's like it's like saying I dare you to get a beverage from the fridge it's like okay that's what I do anyway

9:38Ronnie Karam: my friends play spin the caftan and make Ronnie wear it at all

9:42Ben Mandelker: times so then he does it so then Jesse spins the bottle and it lands on Levi and who is there by the way Levi is there so Jesse's like okay I'll kiss Levi like who is and then I guess he thought that said Lexi well he said Lexi oh where's Lexi like no Levi anyway the point is he doesn't even know who Levi is he's like who's that is that someone from production

10:11Ronnie Karam: Levi I know the audience is the same way they show Levi and they just put up Levi on the screen.

10:16Ben Mandelker: Ding!

10:17Ronnie Karam: Just one of the arrows, like Emeril's Girlfriends that we never saw last year.

10:21Ben Mandelker: They don't even give Levi confessionals, I think. I just was thinking about it. We're like now seven episodes in or so. We've never had her give a confessional, have we? Maybe in the first episode.

10:32Ronnie Karam: She's given confessionals, just not very many. For sure. She's a goner. Yeah, she's a goner. So West is rubbing his foot now against Sierra's leg and moping he's like so ben asks does yeah does size matter and he's like it's not always about the size it's what you can do with it and they're like it's the motion of the ocean now west is flirting playing footsie with sierra and she's like uh-huh whatever so it's now kyle's turn and he has to make out with amanda and or amanda has to make out with him i guess i would say so um they do and um everyone gives them an aw it's like yeah it's just ridiculous but you know it's just a kiss but i haven't kissed him at it for a while it's all i needed guys this is all i needed she's like you smell like cheese that's i would love that

11:31Ben Mandelker: like that's great like oh you smell like one of my favorite foods i have no i have honestly no problem with cheese smell. I love it and I would not be upset if someone smelled like cheese.

11:41Ronnie Karam: But you just went yesterday's recap talking about how you don't like when people smell like food.

11:47Ben Mandelker: No, I don't like marshmallow scents.

11:50Ronnie Karam: Did I say food in general? Well, I guess I took it to food. Why don't I want to fuck you if you smell like food? I took it there, I guess. But you know, we got a lot of pushback on that. We took a lot of pushback on that. A lot of people use marshmallow scent. Did you know? I didn't know that was like a thing

12:06Ben Mandelker: that people yeah i did know i did know because i smell it everywhere i 100 % knew and i embraced the push i knew i don't i'm like i'm going into this hot take look i'm awake now guys i'm activated you are yes rebelling kj and amanda kiss and then lexi i mean levi and then jessica's like oh wow marshmallow's in well i'm here no of course i of course i knew that a lot of people were into it because i smell it everywhere and i think it smells awful and you don't know how many people by the way to all the people who love the marshmallow scent you don't know how many people that you walk by afterwards go oh like it's not just me there is like i think that there's like a sizable population of people who are disgusted by the marshmallow scent as it goes by i mean every elevator you don't know the look when the marshmallow the person wearing the marshmallow perfume leaves the way everyone in the elevator always looks at each other like oh it's like it happens all the time it's not like this isn't even like a hot take from me this is a this is this is this is a this is what do you call it um uh not a confrontation when someone's on drugs

13:11Ronnie Karam: you have to gather all the family around intervention it's intervention yeah i'm telling

13:16Ben Mandelker: you right now no one likes the marshmallow sand we all suffer through it i've never even never

13:22Ronnie Karam: even smelled it do you think it's like the cilantro bug that people have where some people taste cilantro or and it smells like it tastes like soap but then to some people it's normal because i don't mind a marshmallow smell but man and then for you to like look at other people and then other people are like yes we're bonded over this hatred of marshmallow smell yeah i like now

13:43Ben Mandelker: i have actually doubled down on my hot take and now i've been like and other people feel the same

13:46Ronnie Karam: way but it's honestly true go really look around an elevator next time you leave it you bunch of marshmallow smelling dopes

13:56Ben Mandelker: I need to go find that backlash where was it was it on reddit or something

13:59Ronnie Karam: I mean it wasn't huge there's just some comments like oh my god I'm backing out of the room smelling like marshmallow oh I have some you know I smell like marshmallow I love that scent or they're like well isn't this Rihanna scent it's my favorite scent or whoever made the marshmallow

14:14Ben Mandelker: oh well you made it sound like they were angry at me so I got all hostile you just took it that way well I guess it's been like inside me for a long time. I haven't really had a rant about the marshmallow scent ever in my life. So it just had to come out. The way you said there was pushback, I thought it was people being like, I like it and everyone likes it. So I was like, no, it's wrong. But now that I know it's people being like, oh, I'm so embarrassed. And I'm like, yeah, you should be embarrassed. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to come in that tone. I meant to say, wear what you want to wear, but just know not all of us love it.

14:44Ronnie Karam: Wear what you want to wear. Just know that Ben is disgusted by your very presence any hopes that you are swallowed up into a hole in the earth and never to be smelled again because

14:54Ben Mandelker: the difference between the marshmallow scent and the cilantro is that like i'm not going around forcing cilantro into everyone's mouths but if you have the marshmallow scent you're forcing that marshmallow scent into everyone's nose okay um noted that'll do pig

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17:42Ronnie Karam: So West keeps kind of, now he's like holding on to Sierra, like touching her, like just holding her arm lightly. And Jesse, everybody's laughing at him because he looks crazy. It's like, what is he doing? And then Jesse laughs at him with his big mouth. And Wes is like, ha ha ha ha. Quit it out, Jesse. And he's like, bitch, I will fuck you up. And Sierra's like, I don't know what the fuck is going on. Then she tells us, I think it's very clear that we miss each other. And we miss our friendship. And I guess we're still attracted to each other. But it's just this weird state of limbo. And it's just so disorganized and crazy.

18:21Ronnie Karam: Sarah, it's very hard for me to respect you when you're flirting with this fucking loser. That's it. I can't respect you right now. I'm withholding it.

18:35Ben Mandelker: So Bailey's like, okay, well, who's next? They're like, okay, Wes and Sierra have to make out. And then Sierra drinks her wine, and Wes stands up. And it's like, oh, my God. But no. So it doesn't happen. So now, so KJ's like, are we done? Good game, everyone. I was like, yeah, I'm getting aroused. Kyle has a boner, so he puts a pillow over his boner and skedaddles out of there. That's weird.

18:59Ronnie Karam: What was he getting aroused by? I don't know.

19:05Ben Mandelker: Someone was wearing marshmallow. I'm telling you. Marshmallow scent got him stiff. So now they're going to rally. Now they're dancing, club send it, and all that stuff. and jesse is uh singing something and sierra is not impressed that's him with all of america and then ben goes up to bailey's room he like knocks on the door like nur nurk and he like sits on the bed next to her nurk nurk nurk nurker so um he's like can we chill for a second here's your heart right my heart right's through the roof and she's like um mine's through the roof and i can't believe that we had to make out that was really crazy are you coming over here to yell at me again because i don't have a sweet green salad to throw on the floor so i appreciate that we were both dedicated if you had said no

19:59Ronnie Karam: i would have been really offended so i'm glad you just rolled with the punches because i don't know how to flirt i was just like i'm not gonna say no and be that asshole who's like don't touch me and he's like yeah double down no listen we're okay listen i don't feel good about yesterday I was going to come sort of check on you, you know, when you were crying. And then we all went out, had so much fun without you. But I just figured it's better to let it go. It's like, okay, well, you know, if you're still upset, you're allowed to be upset. He's like, no, no, I'm not upset. I'm laying here next to you in bed with my armpit showing.

20:32Ronnie Karam: Because I'm not upset at all. That's a man's international sign for I like you now. Look at me armpit.

20:39Ben Mandelker: and so um uh ben's like and you know he's like you know i just want you to let you know i'm good i'm good i'm good and she's like okay and you can think that i'm a still dick if you want but by the way he kept on saying like i just want you to know i'm good we're good because i'm good i'm like yeah but are we allowed to see if she's good or are we just gonna just keep going that's exactly

21:02Ronnie Karam: Is this an apology? He's like, I just want you to know I'm no longer mad at you. He's like, hey, I was the one crying. Remember how I was crying and didn't cry? He's like, nope, you're forgiven. You can stop crying and un-nork-nork yourself. Come back out. Come back out.

21:23Ben Mandelker: Nork-nork. So Bailey's like, well, I don't want to think you're a dick. I just thought you were hot and funny. I really did. And he's like, well, all right, half dick, half funny would be okay. Although we think, we all know I'm full funny and not dick at all. I'm a nice guy, right? You're the one who's the problem here. But I'm good. Anyway, we're good. I promise. I'm sorry. So everything's fine. So there we go. There we go.

21:44Ronnie Karam: It took a minute, but it came out. She's like, well, I accept it. I thank you. I appreciate it. I'm having a very hard time flirting. Okay, Bailey. Okay. So they hug. And then she's like, yeah, we're moving forward. But the crash on bed is dead. We're just both passionate. and maybe there's sexual attention, but no relationship. I mean, there's just too much passion, too much fire for me. I need sweet greens.

22:09Ben Mandelker: Yeah, sweet greens. So West fell asleep in the chair, so he woke up. Now it's Sunday and it's 9.53 a.m. Everyone's waking up. They're like, don't wake up at 9.54. 9.53 is when you wake up. So they wake up and they're all sort of like hungover and they're going to shower And Amanda's like, I'm going to shower. And Kyle's like, I'm going to come in with you. What? I'm going to shower with you. No. You take a shower, then I'll shower. I'm going to shower with you, Amanda. She's like, I don't want to take a shower with you.

22:43Ronnie Karam: They got you to watch. They got you to watch. Bailey in Levi's room. Levi's so drained, you guys. And Bailey says, yeah, I managed to attract a man to scream at me. We're not even fucking. So what about that? So then Amanda goes to Sierra's room and she's looking for a yellow top. And Amanda's like, did I fall on my butt at some point yesterday? And she's like, my ass still hurts from the fall too. So everyone's butt hurts. And we see Sierra falling at the winery.

23:15Ben Mandelker: We should also give, since I feel like our days with Levi are numbered, we should give credit to the fact that she basically quoted Marlo Hampton when she said, God, this weekend drained me. Because that's Marlo's big line is, today drained me. which I don't even know why that line is such a why did that line go viral with Marlo it's just like I remember that it's like her viral if you go online there's all these memes of Marlo saying today drained me I'm like I support the meme because I like it I like a Marlo meme but I don't fully understand why that is like oh yes what an amazing line I don't know why that one's one that broke through but either way I mean give credit for Lex to Lexi for paraphrasing it on this

23:54Ronnie Karam: show okay um so then uh west is joining ben on the couch and kyle comes in sky time and west is like i don't remember anything which is of course he doesn't because he's on these shows and they they have this magic thing where they don't remember anything when they're drunk i unfortunately remember everything i wake up and i'm like oh shit i just have the whole litany of crap that i did or the whole list of crap i guess i should say of shit that i did the night before and immediately start sending texts to make sure that people are not mad at me like oh i'm so sorry but hope we're good i don't get this nobody remembers is it a curse that i remember things

24:38Ben Mandelker: no it just means that you drink responsibly i guess because you don't you don't black out or that you don't lie like these guys obviously i think they're lying yeah i think they're lying so uh wes is like yeah the winery got the best of me so jesse walks he's like hey is this a boy's pile and then in cr's room amanda is like last night sierra wes was like touching you he was like rubbing your back which by the way can we circle back to that i did think it was like a little weird during that whole scene the the the um the spin the bottle it was one thing like when west put like his little like his sock you know on sierra's foot like okay and he had to stretch so far because he was so far away but then when he kind of like put his hand and like was sort of like stroking the lower of her back i actually felt like a little like this doesn't feel quite right because you guys don't have that relationship anymore and that's like it was a little bit of an intimate thing and i don't know i was sort of surprised that sierra was not upset about that because i would think that that would be a little bit of like a boundary crossing so i just want to clock that because i thought that was a little like hmm to me she just sat there and kept giving

25:47Ronnie Karam: him looks like what the fuck are you doing so weird yeah like last week he said i'm just afraid to talk to you i just don't know how to talk to you and she's like yeah on purpose that's how i made it and so now i guess he's throwing his hat in the ring by being like are we flirting or i

26:03Ben Mandelker: don't know i'll touch your your non-love handle you know yeah i don't know that it needs to be

26:09Ronnie Karam: like a whole you've crossed boundaries but i would at least like her to like move her his hand away or change positions because like i just felt like i don't know what it wasn't i'm not gonna be like

26:20Ben Mandelker: it was a violation i'm just like no i felt like that was like a little like i don't know if i would have done that i don't know i just felt like yeah wes i think you should take your hands off

26:30Ronnie Karam: that i just thought so kyle's like um what's the last thing you remember wes well i remember the bottles spinning around but i don't remember you guys just a boy a boy guys a boy with a white claw um just look you were like grabbing sierra's leg the whole game wow yeah that's crazy and he's like

26:53Ben Mandelker: oh no oh stop so then amanda's like maybe you've been too nice to him have you ever thought berating him every time you see him she's like well i think that's it i've just been too nice so west

27:08Ronnie Karam: tells us they start laughing because clearly she's not been too nice to west she's like yeah yeah i'm sure that's every guy in this house's problem i'm just too nice so west is like yeah

27:20Ben Mandelker: there's he tells us there's always like a little something there but i still haven't had that real conversation with sierra so i don't really like truly fucking know anything but like maybe she's at a point where like this is something but like uh i don't know well thanks for sharing west that was great that was very insightful he's so romantic um now everybody is getting ready to

27:43Ronnie Karam: leave and saying bye and all that stuff thanks for the makeup man he's like oh yeah we killed it by the way i want you to know on your way home you are forgiven i'm good i am good little lady

27:56Ben Mandelker: Did you think it was appropriate to touch my cheekbone While you were kissing me Because I never said that it was appropriate Okay we're good Alright you can have a nice tearful drive home I'm okay

28:08Ronnie Karam: And now Bailey my little theatre kid On Summer House has the most natural scene ever She's walking down the street She's like I'm going to call Carl Because I really miss Carl I've missed Carl so much I'm going to call him Let me lean on this building and call Carl Hello, Carl. And he's like, oh, hi, it's me, Carl. Oh, hello. Is this Carl? Yeah, it's me. It's Carl. Well, hello, Carl. This is me, Bailey, from the summer house. Oh, hello. How are you, Bailey? Whoa.

28:40Ben Mandelker: Hi, it's me, Carl. You've reached my teeth. I'm not here right now to take the call. But if you'd like to leave a message and your phone number, the rest of my body will soon be here to catch up with my teeth. We'll call you right back.

28:53Ronnie Karam: Well, I did have a very long weekend, but on that note, I wanted to ask if you wanted to grab a coffee or grab lunch or something this week so I can catch you up on everything because you were sorely missed. She's making all these kind of soap opera faces during. She's very aware of the camera. This one.

29:12Ben Mandelker: She's like a detective announcing the end of the mystery.

29:17Ronnie Karam: She's like in a semi-formal brown dress, like leaning up against a building. Hello. shall we make a lunch date or so now i'm supposed to believe that bailey and carl are gonna date i don't i don't believe it this show does not need to be a dating show i don't need that i know i like it when they kind of happen today but now it's just becoming a dating show i don't need this

29:40Ben Mandelker: well you know what carl probably put in a request the producers he's like probably i'm on the sidelines a little bit so uh do you mind uh putting me on the mix a little bit huh find me

29:51Ronnie Karam: I'm sleeping downstairs. I'm in the mix. I need a love interest. Make it happen.

29:57Ben Mandelker: Make it happen. Like Mariah Carey said, make it happen. So we get a flashback to two days ago to explain why the hell Bailey is calling Carl right now. And we see Bailey and Levi are talking. And Bailey's like, I'm so sad that Carl's not here. If he was here, I'd be going downstairs and talking to him right now. Just as you would. Just gabbing. Gabbing away as you normally would with your love interest. and Levi's like, well, you can call him. He's like, no, I'd probably just start sobbing.

30:27Ronnie Karam: Yeah, he's really such a good person to talk to. Yeah, he's so nice. It's like making me cry how nice Carl is. Oh my God, I miss Carl. I miss Carl. I miss Carl. I miss Carl more. I miss Carl more. I miss Carl more. Nobody misses Carl. What are you talking? Carl doesn't do anything. Carl just stands there. Give me a break with this. I miss Carl. What are you talking about?

30:46Ben Mandelker: Carl 14.0. He's in the mix. What are you talking about? He's like standing there in the mix. I'm like the wooden spoon when you're making brownies, just in the mix. I'm looking forward to, by the way, hey, I'm looking forward to seeing you in the city because we haven't seen each other or much of each other other than that one time at Ben's happy hour. Remember that? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That means so much to me.

31:10Ronnie Karam: That means so much to me, Carl. I'm so excited. I'm going to text you and we'll hammer out the details, but I'll see you this. Hold on. I have a call coming in from Levi. Who? Levi. Who's that? Jeans? Levi. Hold on. Levi, hi. Hi, Miss Carl. I miss Carl, too. I miss him so much. I miss Carl. I love him.

31:27Ben Mandelker: I'm calling Carl. I'm sobbing right now. He's on the other line. I'm actually already starting to cry because he's such a nice guy. I think he's trying to do a flashback to Ben's singles party because he keeps on saying blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, but I'm not letting him flashback.

31:39Ronnie Karam: He can't flashback, but I need to flashback to talking to Carl because I was talking to Carl right now, but now I'm talking to you and I really miss Carl, so I've got to go.

31:47Ben Mandelker: hi what's up levi i'll tell levi i say look great by the way so then um um yeah billy's like what a sweetie now it's wednesday and kj goes to the gym and in comes dara so uh it's weird because i feel like is dara is she a cast member is she not a cast member because she's not like in the house but she gets confessionals i don't know he's working on it that's for sure i know she's rising yeah like watch out levi so dara they they are gonna have a little boxing date a little warm up and everything and dara's like yes my nice he's like yeah did you grab your gloves and she's like yeah i have them i brought them and the hand wraps too he's like yeah i'll help you put them on it's like yeah i need a little bit of a tutorial he's like yeah okay huh let me give you a tutorial this is how you put on your gloves if you're a lover boy that's who i am i can't help it

32:40Ronnie Karam: and when she comes in she's like oh wow i see you're already gloved up wow we gloved up with you boxing already wow and she tells us yeah i was born and raised in boston so like i was raised to take no shit like did you hear that thing i said about the gloves i'm dara yeah i'm from

32:58Ben Mandelker: boston i've got the right stuff oh oh oh new kids in the block they're from boston too that's just like who i am i was a very physical kid and like there were times where i'd like be sent home from elementary school because they said she won't stop punching boys in the arm. And my mom was like, you get a boxing bag and before school, you get to have a minute with your boxing bag, which I like, looking back it was like, kind of horrifying. My mom was also Melissa Leo and she was just like, really trying hard to get me into a boxing movie and it never really happened, but it's fine.

33:27Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I'm tough. I'm Dara. I had a boxing, I better, I had a boxing thing before I went to school every day. Okay. I'm sure. I'm sure this little kid, she has a boxing her mom's like here here's something to hit every day go for it it's just like so my backstory is

33:45Ben Mandelker: that i was an unruly child and i got kicked out of school for being a total monster so yeah here

33:51Ronnie Karam: i am i'm dara so he has to you know he's showing her how to box and he's like i want you to just focus on how like i'm immediately coming back to this like right here like standing position because you got to protect yourself. Do you like that guy more than me? Look, there's that guy over there. Do you think he's hot? Am I bigger than that guy? Oh, my God. Oh, my God. She's like, yeah, you're really hot. You can just do it. I can just watch you because you're really hot when you box.

34:19Ben Mandelker: My flirting style now, we're not, like, trying to go full bully, but I think a little bit of, like, playful teasing. Like, I feel like it's like an initiation fee, you know? Like if you can handle a little bit of jab, then we can keep on talking, you know, and like that kind of vibe. I like that she goes, we're not trying to go full bully, sort of implying that that's what she used to do. Like if I like a guy, I just will bully him. But now I'm not full bully.

34:43Ronnie Karam: Yeah, because that's her style. She's always like, oh, really? You're drinking before I even got here? Wow. Wow. Really starting it off right. That's me, dear. I'm a tough chick. I'm a tough chick from Boston.

34:54Ben Mandelker: Hey, but this weekend's the party. if you would like to come, you should come and bring some pajamas. Oh, really? Is that you asking me to sleep over? No, it's my way of saying the house is drafty. If you're sleeping on the sofa, you might get cold, so make sure you have some PJs.

35:11Ronnie Karam: Wow, is that the best you got? Is that the best flirting you got? Or is that flirting? Test there.

35:18Ben Mandelker: Now we, it's Thursday and Kyle and Amanda's giving a dog a treat and Kyle's like, A weird treat, right?

35:26Ronnie Karam: What is it? It's like a little bottle and you open the bottle and then you, what do you squeeze the treat kind of into the dog's mouth slowly? Like the dog's like drinking out of the top of the little bottle. I didn't understand what the treat was.

35:38Ben Mandelker: It was Craig Conover, Spritz Company. And they're like, we give you dog treats.

35:42Ronnie Karam: Why don't you do that to me, man? So he's like, I'm a zombie. Sometimes when I wake up, even if it's after an hour and a half, I can't go back to sleep because I'm my own worst enemy. mean she's like um well do you she's she's doing that thing where her eyes are really wide because she's like trying not to yell at kyle she's like um do you think that maybe you should like be like cutting back on some of the stuff that you do kyle like like what i'm sleeping no you know like dj no i know i fly to dallas on thursday for 12 hours because i got a dj you know stuff like that well maybe you could change things but like what what would i change she's anything amanda's like at this place now where she now is just like smiles when she nags kyle because she's just so over it that she's like like i just have to laugh because he's so predictable

36:39Ben Mandelker: like audience you see this right you see that this i'm not crazy right like look like he's about to fall into his own trap right like she's actually like entertained by this now so she has a full smile while she's saying this stuff which is what's so funny and she's like well i don't know maybe some of the new careers you've taken on you could change and he's like the dating not only brings me probably the most joy out of everything right now but also helps connect the dots with lover boy yeah but like the traveling is always like a lot for you amanda i just can't like there's just like not a great place like among the various opportunities like pump the brakes amanda

37:19Ronnie Karam: yeah like the same this was yeah this was the good this was the good thing about it for me is that they're both obviously do not discuss anything together they don't talk to each other anymore and they're only talking to each other because there's cameras there and they're both looking at the camera like they're both looking right at the cameraman like can you believe this fucking idiot so much like so anything you can give up he's like no and then he knows what she's doing so he keeps looking at the camera and kind of laughing like go ahead like anything to say they're just using the cameras against each other and it's so funny he's like well you know i haven't tried about it with you but i'm close to signing with a manager manda and it'll help me book better gigs to pay more uh and like devise a dj strategy and she's like um well how long are we going to do this dj thing for and then he just goes like looks at the camera's like really she's gonna do this to me on camera right oh my gosh and he's don't even talk after after i have commissioned a photo where

38:20Ben Mandelker: i look seriously at the camera and wear like a little pleather jacket you're really gonna do this to me to my dj career and amanda's like is there another part i should dwell on because he's like you really dwell you're dwelling on the dj part but what else am i supposed to dwell on how about all the stress from lover boy i don't know she's like well we don't ever talk about the dj thing we've talked about lover boy for years and i know it stresses you out and i know you're always trying to figure it out and i'm just like wondering what your plan is with the djing but also because like you know i'm not really roped into it i didn't marry a dj and she like smiles looks at the camera like that was pretty good right and she's like and all of a sudden i'm now like the wife of one right america right right like do you see this being like a long-term thing smiling at the camera like this guy's crazy right i love seeing when you give your friend advice and

39:07Ronnie Karam: then they take the advice like sierra told her a couple weeks ago you didn't marry a dj like you did not sign up to be married to a dj you did not sign up to be a dj's wife and so now she's like well i didn't marry a dj and now all of a sudden i'm the wife of a dj she's smiling like thanks sierra ding ding so she's like so you're just gonna be a nightlife now kyle and he's like well I mean I'm not like buying a bar I'm not an idiot looks fucking softy over there it'd be funny if they just

39:38Ben Mandelker: both started laughing and that was the thing that healed their marriage is like you're right I'm not gonna buy

39:44Ronnie Karam: a bar without alcohol like that moron and she's like but you're just gonna be like traveling and playing late all the time like that's just gonna be yeah like that's just how things are gonna be and he's like well not only am I making money at a time I'm not paying myself at Loverboy. I'm making money doing DJ gigs, but I'm also getting Loverboy into venues that normally charge. And I just don't understand how she doesn't see it from my perspective. Kyle, here's how I think everybody sees it. Loverboy is tanking. And instead of accepting that Loverboy is tanking, you're using it as an excuse to go to bars every night, which you've been doing for years.

40:21Ronnie Karam: But now you're adding the DJ thing and using Loverboy as an excuse to DJ and using DJing as an excuse to keep doing you're in a you're in a cycle and it's a bad bet it's not gonna end well so it's not gonna end well like while you're sitting here talking about

40:38Ben Mandelker: how DJing finally gives you the money like because you can't take money from Loverboy uh like like do you have to say do you have to announce this on the heels of explaining why you couldn't throws any money at carl for his soft bar you're like i can't get money to this car i can't i don't have any money to get this up i'm not even taking a salary and then the next breath well i gotta dj because otherwise i don't get any money this is how i get money this is how i can get some extra money in my pockets it's like so do you have money or do you not have money to give this off bar right so he is uh he's just talking about like oh i'm paying for benefits in future i don't know you would think that would matter to Amanda.

41:18Ben Mandelker: So he's like, I think there's a path to making a very good living here. She's like, well, where do I fit in? Where does life fit in? I'm just trying to figure out how much you're taking us into consideration with some of these decisions. It's like, well, I thought you could maybe be the one to like order some CD cases on Amazon. That'd be pretty cool for my CDs. CDs.

41:42Ronnie Karam: I love that Kyle's still selling CDs. He's out there on the corner. and you give me some Betamax some Betamax you know holders so she's he's like well I mean I get it man but I mean like they both fight each other with wide eyes like he gets really wide eyes and she gets really wide eyes and he's like well I mean the alternative is just like sit around here all we can do nothing she's like no it's not I mean we'll be doing things together you know cause that was always his thing before he started DJing she was like Like you're out drinking all the time and he's like, yeah, but you're home depressed all the time and you don't want to do anything but sit around here and get high and watch Netflix.

42:23Ben Mandelker: But like, why can't they find a balance? That's what I don't understand. I mean, I think they just obviously Kyle doesn't want to balance, I believe, or they don't want to balance. But to me, it's like, OK, DJ, have your fun. But come back to me and spend time with me to like, like make me a priority as well, because then I will support this fun thing that you're nurturing over here. But if you're just diving into it and then you're acting like I'm the crazy one because I'm feeling lonely over here. And then the loneliness is making me depressed. And then you're going to act like you're the victim here when I'm the one who's like, like my guy is out there and like just leaving me to just sit here and rot.

43:04Ben Mandelker: Like, you know, like, don't do that.

43:07Ronnie Karam: Like you're just not compatible. Guys, you're not compatible. that man is only happy if he's out being social and a man is home happy on a couch watching netflix that's okay they're both okay just stop trying to make it happen it's painful

43:20Ben Mandelker: it's fucking painful so now or or accept your differences i have a i have a very close friend and he is an extrovert and his wife is an introvert and he goes out and he does stuff all the time and she stays in and they love that for each other and she and like and she is like she's like oh please go out be with your friends i don't want to be with them like not like in a mean way she's like i want i want to be i just don't feel like one being around people she wants to read a book and like and they both know what each other needs and wants how they fill their cups and they support it and they always come back to each other but my friend always is like that being said the moment she sends out that bat signal of like hey i need you right now he's like i'm going home right because if someone's gonna give you that freedom to be out and about and do something then you have to be like hey if they're giving the bat signal and it goes the other way too if he gives the bat signal like i need you to come out with me tonight for this thing and i'm i do wonder if maybe one of the issues is that the bat signals in this relationship amanda setting out bat signals and the batman's not coming back he's not leaving the cave well i mean the huge

44:30Ronnie Karam: issue is that he's going out she's she's saying okay go out and have fun so he does but then there are all these rumors and people dming her that he's making out with people and cheating on her left and right so this goes beyond just you know your friends i think that works because they trust each other and this one there really isn't any trust there so yeah but i'm just saying like

44:50Ben Mandelker: I would not be surprised if one element of this is like, I'm giving you the freedom to do this, but you have to give me something in response. And I'm not getting that. And now I'm getting upset.

45:02Ronnie Karam: Yeah. She's like, well, I mean, we could spend time together, but it sounds like you're signing with a manager now. So I guess just figure that out. Okay. Well, I got to get back to work. Because the whole time she's been eating a burrito, by the way. They're standing in the kitchen. and this has been the funniest like eating of a burrito we've seen in a while she's like got her eyes wide open just staring at kyle smiling at him the whole time while she chomps down a burrito and then she's like okay lunch is over bye i also thought it was funny when she said gotta get back

45:34Ben Mandelker: to work because i was like what work is amanda doing these days i guess the bikini business

45:39Ronnie Karam: yeah she works from home and do it does the bikini thing and the lover boy stuff still Okay.

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47:11Ben Mandelker: it's friday august 1st oh we're in august now oh august the saddest month because it means that summer's almost over and everyone's driving to the hamptons and we got kj west and carl are driving and cage is like boys boys boys welcome back carl and carl's thanks great to be back in the next And Wes is like, um, I heard a word about Towns. Oh, really? What did you hear? A little date? Oh, yeah, Billy. I had a really good time meeting up with her. Hashtag Wednesday pancakes. And I wasn't expecting to have as much fun as I did. And I really enjoyed talking to her.

47:50Ronnie Karam: So we see a flashback to the date. He's like, whoa, I've been seeing you on your flirting journey. I mean, are we flirting now? Is this flirting? oh my god in the mix she's like um yeah i mean we are flirting aren't we well i think so it's flirting right i think it's flirting well i think we're doing pretty good at flirting she's like okay yeah it's really yeah it's fucking flirting this wow fucking textbook textbook romance right here we're feeling it's oozing off the screen guys the sparks the sparks everyone be careful is a tv on fire it's smoking it's smoking

48:32Ben Mandelker: don't don't bring in any hydrogen gas because there are spikes happening on screen sparks are happening isn't it funny to think that page's first season on this show the entire storyline was like her and carl hooking up and like making out in a pantry and like sexual chemistry and going on dates it's like it it just seems like so like how in what world did that ever

48:56Ronnie Karam: happen like how's a different carl back then it was a different carl a different page but more of

49:04Ben Mandelker: a different carl than it was and it's just like wow how times have changed right yeah and it was

49:09Ronnie Karam: still like well how are you going to pretend you're interested in me if you'll only take me out on wednesday dates wasn't that it yeah it's not like wednesday and here we are at a lunch date

49:18Ben Mandelker: We are at a lunch date On a Wednesday It's like ew Hasn't learned So Wes is like so is there any PDO Or no I don't really know what PDO stands for Does that stand for papaya Papaya And Dry orange peel Because that's one of my drinks I'm workshopping

49:43Ronnie Karam: Public display of Oh my god I'm in the mix

49:49Ronnie Karam: he's like completely honest i didn't clock bailey in that regard but like over the last month i've been vibing with her and uh i feel a little like depth of conversation with her that i really enjoy you guys want to show that uh flashback again um i think we're flirting yeah we're really flirting remember how you flirted that time am i flirting right now i think you're for are you flirting i don't know super deep guys super deep he's like yeah i have a little bit of a crush

50:16Ben Mandelker: you know what else would be great if it was crushed me put your weight on me belly it's official put your weight on me so then Wes is like yeah she'll probably for sure lay one on you tomorrow oh well she's not coming on this weekend because the producers always make sure there's one person who can't come and it drives the audience crazy that we can't have the whole full cast every single week so she's going to stay back so me and Amanda are driving together

50:41Ronnie Karam: and she's talking about how she went to her boyfriend Scott's restaurant opening in Miami. And it was beautiful. It was incredible. She's so proud of him. But it's long distance. It's really sad because she wishes she was with her boyfriend. And then they turn to Kyle's birthday. He's turning 43. And Amanda's like, yeah, he's nine years older than I am. She's like, holy shit, Amanda. That's kind of insane. Why does he look like he's 15? I'm not even talking about your age difference. I'm talking about the man's genetics. Is he eating stem cells for breakfast? What the fuck?

51:16Ben Mandelker: Yeah. And I mean, I was like, so I kind of get the feeling the last few weekends, was it weekends or was it years? Something seems a little bit off at times with you guys. Yeah. It's hit or miss. You know, I'm going to just like put on, you know, a happy face for his birthday, but as long as he's in a good chipper mood, we'll be all great this weekend. So we'll see, you know, hopefully Ben didn't piss him off in the car ride out and uh Amanda's joking like I'm not trying to fuck my mate's missus they're really like amused by that line so now Kyle and Ben arrive cause Kyle had to take a separate car because um his car needed to go into the shop so that's too bad and he's like I love being the first one here so well are you gonna go gonna go to the rosé straight to the rosé I hear so they're talking about how

52:07Ronnie Karam: it's his birthday weekend and um he's like oh you know i'm gonna do i'm gonna exercise this thing oh i know it's called moderation and they start laughing and uh he's like you know my my grandmother on my dad's side was always like age is just a number and so on her birthday she didn't want to be told how old she was and i like that you know you're like you're only as old as you want to be age is a number and the number tells you how old you are and how long you've been on this earth stop stop getting mad at descriptors you know just not reading calories doesn't mean that they're not in there you know what i mean you're old tell that to adriana demora okay

52:48Ben Mandelker: adriana's like how could you put another math equation up every time she sees a math equation she gets triggered she can't watch the beautiful mind she's like they could put my age up on the screen.

52:56Ronnie Karam: Russell Crowe is trying to get me. He's trying to get me.

53:01Ben Mandelker: They cheers. They cheers. Who wants to act their age? Not me. Not me.

53:05Ronnie Karam: Lindsay arrives. Lindsay is so... I love this. Okay, now, Lindsay, this is when you when you're aging and you're fine with aging. Lindsay is, like, just going right into... She's still having fun and doing whatever the fuck she wants, but she's also accepting age so well. She gets out of the Uber and she goes, and thank you. Have a good weekend. Five stars. Hopefully you'll do the same for me.

53:29Ben Mandelker: Which means she was probably a terror in the car. She's like, can you please pull over? I actually like this route, please. Okay, can we get a Starbucks? All right, can we get a Starbucks? Okay, five stars. It's all worth it because I'm going to give you five stars.

53:40Ronnie Karam: And I was like, oh. I just want you to know I've got your VIN number written down in my pocketbook. Five stars.

53:49Ben Mandelker: It was just Aunt Rhoda. She was like, okay, honey. I'm actually not your Uber driver. I'm your aunt.

53:55Ronnie Karam: okay AR even Lindsay just trying to be nice just sounds so threatening at all times I know

54:02Ben Mandelker: it does it felt like a bail threat like if Lindsay gets a low uber rating she's gonna like go to San Francisco um so Jesse is like honey I'm home any friends just cardboard friends just me oh they're my friends because I guess he drove out alone also And so he goes and says hi It's just so funny on this show how They could all just They could be in the same set For the entire show And shoot two scenes that are not on that set And we come back we see them all saying hello On the same set again like hey how's it going How's it going how's your week hello They're all saying hello to each other again

54:44Ronnie Karam: And Sarah's not coming till a little later And so she's like Are you and Sarah gone He's like yeah I'm just chipping away at her know Amanda and she's like um well good to see you and if I want to make out with someone I'll make sure to ask you later everyone starts laughing like yeah Lindsay the ball buster

55:04Ben Mandelker: so me and Amanda arrive and Lindsay's like it's being a wifey five stars right hold on excuse me I'm just checking to see if my five-star review is coming yet hasn't come in yet I'm getting

55:14Ronnie Karam: fucking mad right now okay so Amanda gets there and Kyle's like how did you ride great So they still hate each other. And then CJ West and KJ come, and there's a basketball hoop, and it has arrived. They're going to put it in the pool, you guys. Wow.

55:31Ben Mandelker: Yeah.

55:32Ronnie Karam: A pool hoop.

55:34Ben Mandelker: And Amanda's like, KJ, did you see Dara? What did you do? He's like, yeah. And they're like, oh, my God. Look at that smile. He's like, what did you ask him? They're like, did he see Dara? And they're all like a Twitter, because, you know, it's going well, and KJ's being bashful, and he says that he invited Dara to stay over.

55:53Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so then Carl comes up. He's like, oh, hi, everybody. What are my chucks? Because I'm in the mix. Hi, guys. She's like, um, hello, Carl. Well, hello, Lindsay. How are you? You have a new haircut? Oh, I just didn't put anything in it today, so I kept it easy breezy. Did you get your haircut?

56:14Ben Mandelker: Carl, I'd love to see that you treated your haircut the way you did our relationship, putting nothing into it. Great. Good for you You cut your hair cut? Not recently Okay That's nice Are you sure you didn't cut it shorter?

56:28Ronnie Karam: Like you cut our relationship? No I didn't girl Okay well Okay well just working on a friendlier relationship style here Are you gonna give this conversation five stars? I will do the same

56:41Ben Mandelker: You guys are crushing it That was great you guys I'm gonna give you a round of applause Yeah I actually thought that was pretty good pretty good, pretty good. Yeah, it's beautiful. Lindsay's like, alright, I'm gonna go now. So then Sierra arrives. Wes sets up this pool hoop that he's excited about. He's like, guys, I made it, but like, no one cares. He's like, okay, well no one else is allowed to play in it then. Because they're not 12, Wes.

57:06Ronnie Karam: Okay? For fuck's sake.

57:09Ben Mandelker: And then Lindsay and Sierra hug, and Lindsay's like, did I put my finger in your butt, by the way? I'm sorry. It's more action than I ever got with Carl.

57:17Ronnie Karam: So KJ and Carl are in a room And Carl's like Oh what's up Well how are you feeling I don't know I'm like in a weird mood at the moment Cause like you know I'm really trying my best to be friendly And just be cordial with Lindsay I mean to me her energy is just like I mean I just don't know what I'm gonna get Like yesterday when I got lunch with Bailey She was explaining how she spent a lot of time with Lindsay Over the last few weeks And of course Lindsay's gonna fill her head on everything that's gone on We see a flashback to Bailey being like Well, we talked about you on the car ride, and we talked about you at lunch, and she probably has the same review of you that Ben has about me, when we're going to go with two thumbs down.

57:53Ronnie Karam: Okay, what kind of date was that? Was that a date?

57:58Ben Mandelker: It just, like, caught me off guard. Like, some of that commentary, I just, like, I want things to be okay. I just wish I wasn't so sensitive. Come on, old girl's coming back. I need to be new girl. I'm in the mix. I'm in the mix. I'm in the mix. I'm in the sensitivity.

58:11Ronnie Karam: Bro, I'm literally the same way. I cannot stop thinking because I can fixate on shit and then it affects my mood instead of actually being vocal and vulnerable about shit Yeah, you want to try and get vulnerable?

58:23Ben Mandelker: No, get it off your chest bro. Get off your chest. Yeah, it's like yeah, you already know you already know we're gonna have a great weekend Yeah, yeah gonna have a great weekend because like I'm not sensitive and I'm in the mix and it's like new girl And I'm like a I'm like a fun guy Ha ha ha Oh, not so soft. And then Lindsay's like, Um, so, guys, I don't have a timestamp on this, but I know that Wes was rubbing your back, Sierra? And we see a flashback to that. And Mia's like, I have my own theory, guys. I don't want to break the internet or anything, but I think Wes is in love with you. Like, oh.

58:59Ronnie Karam: Wow, where'd you get that idea? Was it the moping Wes who was, like, crying while he was, like, trying to rub her back and performatively being a very sensitive person.

59:10Ben Mandelker: Was it because he realized this is the most gorgeous, wonderful person he will ever be able to meet and have a shot with? And he screwed it up so badly. I actually don't think it's that. Every single second.

59:22Ronnie Karam: I actually don't think it's that at all. I still don't think he realizes that. I think he's just like, I'm on a TV show. Now Sierra's here. I'm just going to try and make something happen and get some camera time. I don't believe one thing with this fucking guy.

59:33Ben Mandelker: I actually don't even think it's because of the TV show. I do think that Sierra, I think that he has, I don't know if he's in love with Sierra, but I do think that he may be in love with the idea of being with Sierra. And I think that he sees Sierra as she's a super cool girl. Everyone loves her. She's like universally, I think, really loved by the audience, by everyone. And she just seems to get better every year. Every year, Sierra just becomes sort of like more and more of a star. She's drop dead gorgeous. She's just like someone that like you could, I think that he could see himself being this amazing power couple with her and they would just like they would run the tables right and he knows he messed it up and it's like oh i could have that so i don't know if he's in love with her necessarily maybe he is but i think he definitely is like damn i get to spend an entire summer with this like this goddess and i can't even and i messed it up and now i'm like shit so i think that's where it may be coming from more do you understand like the difference of what I'm kind of like trying to say here.

1:00:35Ronnie Karam: I do. I understand what you're saying. And that could be that could be it. I mean, I don't know. I'm not in his head. I don't see that. I see everything that you're saying about Sierra. I think that's true. But I don't think that he looks at it that way because I don't think he sees her worth. I see. I think he looks at her as a device, as some kind of a plot device to use. He was crushed by her last year, but not by her, but by the public reaction to what he did and the audience's reaction to how she reacted. and now he's just trying to i mean i'm very cynical about it because i just don't trust him i think he's a fucking loser and i think he's a fucking user he's a boozer a loser and a user that's what he is i don't trust one fucking thing out of him and i don't believe for one second that he sees her worth i think he sees her as a stepping stone well i should say it's not that

1:01:20Ben Mandelker: he sees her worth i think he sees how she's worth other people if that makes sense he he sees how it would raise him up. I think, well, yeah, that's what I'm saying. I think we both have a cynical take. Yours is a little bit more cynical, but it's, I think yours is more also like he's also using it for TV. And I'm not sure if he's using it for TV, but I think everything else I agree on. I think that he just, he's seeing her as this thing that's like, wouldn't it be amazing if we were together? And that's the vibe that I get from him. So yeah.

1:01:56Ronnie Karam: but he's right but you're saying like he's saying that he he's if if you're saying that he's he he sees what they could be because she's so popular in this and that i mean isn't that just using her

1:02:08Ben Mandelker: yeah i'm saying i'm saying i agree i'm just saying i don't i just don't know if he's using just in a less harsh way yeah i'm just saying i'm just not adding the tv component i'm basically saying i do i guess it is a harsh way of saying it it's a harsh way of saying it i think it's it's it just you know what it reminds me of like when i first started dating when i first came out the closet and like you message with like a super hot guy on whatever site like grinder or okay cupid or whatever and you're and for a moment you let yourself think like wow could you imagine like if we hit it off like we could wind up dating and then i have this like super hot boyfriend you know like you you like you have like a little fantasy and it can be extended to like oh it could be what if the person's like a celebrity or what if they're like this well whatever you can just sort of have this fantasy of like wouldn't this look good right and so i i think that's like actually a pretty natural thing that happens like a lot of people and i kind of like i have my suspicions that that's what's happening with west with sierra um so i have in my mind it's not extended fully to the place of and it's for tv so we could have a plot so it's it's weird i guess it's like a just uh it's like a it's a subtlety so in my mind i'm not seeing that he's using her but I do think that he may not be like, he still may be treating her like an object for his own self image, as opposed to like, just like who she is and the person that she is.

1:03:33Ronnie Karam: Okay. So, um, she's very important.

1:03:36Ben Mandelker: By the way, I'm so glad we got to the heart of this. It's really important to know. I mean, yeah, it makes sense.

1:03:43Ronnie Karam: I mean, yeah, it makes sense. I just, you know, I mean, I don't, I think we agree that sincerity may be in question. yeah we don't have to agree i just think he's trash you know i don't know well i think we agree most i think him and jesse are both absolute trash and i don't think anything they do is sincere i think it's all for clout so i mean that's i think it's definitely in question for sure um so then we go to so amanda you know they're still talking about this and amanda's like well i mean i think if he thought there was a chance like there'd be more work that would need to be done on his end and cero's like yeah you know like it would have to be like the love like the love would have to be professed and then like here's the things i'm gonna change and like i'm not gonna try and put together a set list the week of your birthday you know it doesn't i don't need a dj manager etc etc and cera says but i feel like even if he was in love with me he would never say

1:04:38Ben Mandelker: it he never says what he feels especially in this house well in the history of sierra and west would would would you ever in all the world ever give him another shot ever because i know for certain and absolutely without a shadow of a doubt that i would never ever ever ever ever ever ever hold on let me go inside and go up to his room ever ever ever okay i'm back outside give carl another

1:05:01Ronnie Karam: shot in life like oh yeah we know and they all laugh and sierra's like okay well like when you put it like that like i don't know if i'm like never ever so the door is open don't don't

1:05:14Ben Mandelker: so it's time to get ready to give me that baseline that baseline of like let me make this clearer for you just think about me and carl are you at the me and carl place

1:05:23Ronnie Karam: carl you know what lindsey is so needed for this show she comes back on and it's immediately alive again and she's not wrapped up in everybody's bullshit it's not like i'm in the feelings She's like, yes or no? Like, would you ever give this man a chance? That man is a fucking loser and I'm never going to give him another chance. Do you feel like that? Okay, then. Just say this. Let's move the season along here. I'm only here every other weekend. Let's get it moving.

1:05:47Ben Mandelker: I've got a baby. Come on now. So they're going to be going to dinner soon. And Sierra goes upstairs and sees Wes. And he's like, how are you? She's like, great. Good. just like um okay so then uh he's like do i need to like um apologize for the drunk back rub like honestly not because it like was like was it like invasive like is ben mandelker gonna get upset at me i watch her crappins about it but like did i just like make stuff weirder was it like fucking cringe and gross and like yuck and like that was the worst thing and like you could ever be and like i don't know like i don't know there's like no worse feeling than not knowing if you were cringe.

1:06:27Ben Mandelker: When in doubt, if you're on reality TV and you think you may have done something that was cringe, it most likely was cringe. So that should help you go.

1:06:34Ronnie Karam: You copy your hairstyle from Benson Boone. You dress like a teenager and you don't take a bath and your whole personality is bar rot. You're cringe. Okay? You're cringe. In case your little voice inside of you is not telling you, here's the outer voice outside of you telling you. You're cringe.

1:06:53Ben Mandelker: Yes. KJ's FaceTiming with Dara He's like you like my hat And she's like yeah I think it's nice You kind of look like you're about to solve 18 holes Loser I'm gonna come punch your face Then Kyle's like Amanda am I gonna be hot In this she's like I don't know I'm not you happy birthday Okay

1:07:15Ronnie Karam: You're not me I don't know if I should Wear a sweat or not sorry for asking my Wife But then Ben comes out she's like that's a nice outfit Ben fucking Kyle can't win I love it

1:07:27Ben Mandelker: you've never looked more Australian I was like he could be wearing a black hat with little teeth on it and a vest but that's fine so then everyone goes to dinner and Wes is like checking his wallets and phones and stuff like that so they go to this place called Kasaki and they sit down and Lindsay they're all getting their seating and they're all choosing where they're going to sit because this has to be like a 10 minute process and Kyle's at the head of the table and then as usual the boys all wind up on one side the girls are all up on another side and like why does it always have to be girls versus boys you know and sierra's like i like it so sierra

1:08:02Ronnie Karam: tries on uh the little golf hat kj's little golf hat and um lindsey's like um carl i have a question for you you talked to baby this week and he's like oh yeah oh yeah i caught up with her oh well well she texted me on saturday morning i was like hey i had a rough night like crashed out hard can confirm. Sierra's like, yeah, confirm. He's like, yeah. And then we ended up going out together. I mean, like, it wasn't a date, but it kind of felt like a date. Kind of felt like a date. We talked about how much Lindsay hates me the whole time, so pretty much a date.

1:08:34Ben Mandelker: I mean, basically my teeth were on a date, but the rest of my body was just in a chair about three feet behind them. I was like, okay. So Sierra's like, did you guys go out at night or during the day? During the day. Waffle time, right? Pancake time, right? She told me a little bit about your conversation by the way. Oh, what about my conversation? And she said, well, you were like, go for it. And kind of like, whatever. And she said, I said you should go for girl. And girl's like, yeah, I appreciate that. She's like, you're welcome. See, I'm nice, everyone. But she did say that you were like, hi, give Carl a rating of two thumbs down.

1:09:09Ben Mandelker: Two stars out of five. Bad Uber score. Yeah, but go for it. Thanks a lot, Lindsay.

1:09:14Ronnie Karam: Thanks. And I was like, well, what was the feedback? She goes, well, I mean, she paraphrased that. okay well uh tell me what you said well i said he probably won't have sex with you but he's a great conversationalist and mandy goes you were so close to being nice i mean lindsey and i weren't

1:09:35Ben Mandelker: sleeping together because of how not stable foundation we were on but then when we first started dating and having sex she used to say it was the best sex of her life i said was it as good as your hugs because your hugs are so good but before that i used to get destroyed for being a fuck boy for having like too much sex and now i'm like being more careful and i get dragged for that like i can't win like it's so hard being in the mix you just can't win with your carl

1:10:01Ronnie Karam: so carl's like hey man is there a world in which i can try that just um depends on how you are the rest of the weekend i am being nice just okay then you can have a sip of my drink huh

1:10:13Ben Mandelker: but he says it in such a serious way because I'm being nice. I'm like, okay. Carl's like, by the way, everyone, as you all know, I'm training for a marathon. So I'm big on running these days, more so than ever before. I invited KJ to a running thing this week and I got there and I see him and right next to him is, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it. And they were very cute. And the vibe was really good. Look at me gossiping about relationships with the youngins. I'm in the mix, in the mix with KJ and Daryl.

1:10:45Ronnie Karam: So they're like, what's the vibe, KJ? And he says that she's emotionally intelligent. And that's like so important, you know. And it escalated quickly. And Kyle's like, yeah, I want to know how it escalated quickly because I'm out of the mix. Oh, I'll give you some lessons, my brother. And KJ's like, we vibe checked. And Kyle says, kids these days, all vibe check. So they're laughing. And they're questioning him on how many times they've seen each other. And it's like every other day. and um you know he's not counting but it's every other day and so oh my god you guys are in love and Amanda goes Jesse do you want to give him any advice on moving quickly in a relationship

1:11:24Ben Mandelker: well I would just advise you to take it slow it's like yeah that's what I'm doing bro what else did you learn Jesse uh and Sierra's like don't admit the truth and so we have a flashback to the Lexi situation last summer and lindsey's like and also like don't use sierra as collateral and sierra's like yeah please say that part out loud it's like jesse's like don't use sierra as collateral um west is sitting up straight and taking notes and so we see west like oh shit now it's my turn it's my turn to get in trouble i think i'm about to get in trouble real soon jesse is like yeah and Sierra it was never my intention to use Sierra's collateral it's like yeah but I was collateral and we see that when they're talking about the collateral it's because at the reunion there was Jesse was taking photos with Sierra and it was making Lexi feel like Jesse was using Sierra to like rub it in Lexi's face if I remember correctly was that like the gist of it like trying to kind of make Lexi feel bad to be like well now I'm with Sierra all the time and so it sort of made Sierra feel like a prop and

1:12:29Ronnie Karam: virtual reality did not help. I love when those guys watch out. Yeah, well, it seems like Jesse and Sierra are taking photos together that look very flirty and commenting on each other's social posts. It kind of feels like they're trying to rub it in your face. Like, I'm yeah. So we cut back and Sierra says, yeah, you're creating this narrative that things we're doing are weird and manipulative, like us hanging out together. And she's like, but he posted it on his story. The only thing I rubbed on my face is lip lighter.

1:13:01Ben Mandelker: So Amanda is saying, yeah, that's another good piece of advice, by the way. Don't talk to the press. Wes can tell you that, too. And she's like, yeah, Wes can tell you personally. So the specter of the New York Times article returns. By the way, I think you can talk to the West by your relationship.

1:13:17Ronnie Karam: I'm so glad we can talk about this again.

1:13:20Ben Mandelker: The New York Times article. I think you can talk to the press about your relationship. just don't have any illusions after that happens that you can like get back together or something like that i think the way that west handled it was like he should have either been like yeah i talked to the press because this is what was going on in my mind and it seemed like a cool thing to do and it it was what it was that was our relationship he could have either stood in it or just not done it in the first place but of course west he does it and then he's like I didn't realize it was wishy-washy.

1:13:54Ronnie Karam: He spent a year being a fucking baby about it. Like, I'm being attacked. Instead of just saying what he did at the end. When he said at the end of the season, it actually made sense. Like, kind of his explanation. And maybe it just took him a year to come up with it. I don't know. Because obviously I don't like the guy. But I remember him saying something along the lines of, like, Sierra, we were supposed to, you know, we were dating. And then we were supposed to get together around Christmas. and then you just ghosted me. You wouldn't call me back. You wouldn't text me for two weeks. And I thought you basically dumped me.

1:14:26Ronnie Karam: So when I'm asked, like, what's our relationship? I just got ghosted. So I was saying, like, it didn't work out or whatever. And then Sierra said, well, Christmas is really hard for me because of my family. And that's when I just turn off. And that's why I wasn't answering your call. And he's like, well, I didn't know that. All that made so much more sense than the whole year of whining and hand wringing and this and that. And it was like, oh, OK, like it at least made sense to the audience. Like I at least got what the fuck the whole thing was about, you know, but he's just such an absolute wuss, you know, my God, that it took that long.

1:15:02Ronnie Karam: And the fact that they still have to bring it's like Amanda still has to bring it up every single time. You know, she's like, let's talk about Lexi. OK, now let's talk about this. Like, oh, my God, Amanda, stop. Stop rubbing our faces in the past. Ask Bailey if she's flirting or something.

1:15:20Ben Mandelker: right um and so um so best is like i i think i'm gonna say one thing though i empathize a lot with how our relationships ended and i did like a lot of interviews and i was like hands are up he's like he's like holding like an invisible beach ball like while he's talking he's like i did a lot of interviews and like i just don't think like i knew any better but like it's gross to talk about the relationship publicly and i don't think i really grasped that until um i was on the other side of it and then when she when lexi was doing that to jesse and like you and me like i just i don't know i just like want you to like know that i like see you way more than i than i did prior he's like wow full circle moment is what you're saying five stars five stars you'll give me five stars to west because i was the one who set this up sort of in a way not really but

1:16:05Ronnie Karam: five stars also for me please so she's like you know like go back to all those interview things I don't think you guys realize the interracial aspect that exists in this because I get a lot of blowback that's very racial. You know, I'm the first black person in this house and then dating publicly and dating white guys specifically publicly. It's this whole contraption that you guys don't even understand and you can't empathize. And he's like, yeah, you know, and then the but when the reunion happened, I was getting smoked and I was being called racist and people were, you know, like DMing my family and shit for this whole thing.

1:16:38Ronnie Karam: and I was panicking and I didn't know what was going on. And so I thought, well, if I can make things better, as long as I'm not saying anything bad about Sierra, it'll be okay. But I didn't know and I apologize.

1:16:51Ben Mandelker: And Kyle's saying like, guys, I think we've covered some ground here. I feel like you guys, even though it wasn't all that long ago, it feels raw, it feels fresh, kind of like my beats. Just saying, maybe do some DJing right now. But to see you guys having fun, buddy, buddy, last weekend at the end of the day, you get DJing for DJing, right? And I know there's an underlying friendship and mutual respect. It's been tough, but he's like, you know, he respects. Kyle's doing this sort of like nice like band-aid moment. And Sierra's like, you know, and you know, I operate on the basis of I feel like I just expected more out of you, West.

1:17:27Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And he's like, but if I knew what I knew, if I knew then what I know now, I would have been just different. I apologize.

1:17:36Ben Mandelker: So now the show sort of gets a little bit more serious now or not even serious it's just more like it's sort of is like it's like not being as reality showy because now they have a pretty a really good conversation about race and interracial relationships etc and sierra is telling us that um the hardest thing for her and west was that everyone was always like oh you let a white man play you out on national tv and like regardless of how she says regardless of how we feel about each other it's the way that it looks to the entire world and like yeah i guess if i could help it i would but you can't help who you love you can't help who you're attracted to and he was my friend at one point and we did have a relationship but i know we do care a lot about each other and it's just like it's not just fun and flirting and i do think we have much deeper relationship than anyone ever um would ever see and she's basically like and she's like saying i'm really nervous for this season to air because i know i'm gonna get it all over again and essentially what she's saying is on top of the usual things that people weigh in on she has the weight of this being an interracial situation and like that that just adds a whole other layer on it that you know the white people just can't really understand

1:18:45Ronnie Karam: yeah and then kj adds that his sisters go through it a lot and he cried he starts crying and he's like you know from the guy's perspective it's like well she's just complaining but it's it's really fucked up and he said um it's not normal and i don't expect you guys to understand because you aren't in our skin but even with me coming into the house being the first black guy i've added pressure to like literally the past few weeks i've just been in my head because i'm thinking don't fuck it up you know um because people are going to judge you so harshly i mean god that's a lot of that is a lot of crazy pressure to have to deal with well you have to do

1:19:18Ben Mandelker: with so much self-monitoring i imagine there's so much self-monitoring about trying not to come off as like aggressive or angry black man or angry black woman which is so unfair and he said that's why he says like you always have to be thinking 20 steps ahead and mia's saying this is what this is what we're taught and you know she's saying that you know they have she starts talking about like the conversation and that you have to conduct yourself in a certain manner so you're not seen as a threat so you're not seen as aggressive or angry or scary and all these connotations that society has put on on on us for so long even though there's nothing angry about you there's nothing scary about you, but that's what the world has made us look like.

1:19:56Ben Mandelker: And, and then Kyle is, Kyle actually was like, you know, my takeaway is that I have a temper and I can just pop off and I have anger management issues. But when I do that, I'm not thinking 20 steps ahead. I'm thinking in that moment and right. He's basically kind of expressing like he has the immense privilege of being a white man who can get angry and know that it's not going to come with an outsized penalty, you know, that could lead to incarceration or worse. So he's having that, which is also, by the way, amusing because then we go later on, we go to the trailer for the season and we see Kyle popping off.

1:20:31Ben Mandelker: Just once again, leaning into that, leaning into that temper. I was like, there it is. There it is, Kyle.

1:20:37Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Having an absolute fucking cow and throwing a drink against the door. Carl's like, well, we just want to have your support or have your backs and support you You guys, go ahead and make sure we're doing our best to make you feel loved or whatever. So, you know, they're like, our job is to be your family. So it's a nice scene. And they all hug. It's really nice, actually. Yeah. It was a really, really lovely scene. Amanda's like, OK, let's go around the table and say one nice thing about me. Ben's like, oh, God, please, no, please, let's not do that again. You want to fuck Ben? Well, I do, too, to be fair.

1:21:13Ronnie Karam: Ben, five stars, five star fuck.

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