#3268 Southern Charm S11E16 Reunion 1: The Empath of Least Resistance

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1:21Ben Mandelker: Ronnie Karam Hi Ronnie, how's it going? Hi I miss you already We had such a great weekend over at South by Southwest. And now I know it's Thursday, but I actually don't really know what day it is anymore. It's just all been a blur, but that was just the most amazing time. We're going to talk about it. We keep on saying, we're going to record this South by Southwest episode on Patreon, but we, we are just still, we're just still coming. We're, we're catching up to speed, but our bonus episode of the week will be a whole, you know, tales from Texas. Um, because it really was an extraordinary weekend.

1:56Ben Mandelker: and we have been feeling all sorts of love all week long from, from everyone. So thank you to everyone who continues to send us some like nice messages and comments and notes, et cetera. We really, really do appreciate it. And thanks again to our heart for giving us the award for, for best TV and film podcast of the year. And thanks to Jenny Garth. We love Jenny Garth. She was so nice and I'm still a star truck.

2:21Ronnie Karam: Most of all, thanks to Jenny Garth. Most of all,

2:25Ben Mandelker: she actually has a podcast she has a podcast called I Choose Me so why don't you choose Jenny Garth and give her a listen anyway our bonus episode will be on Patreon patreon.com slash watch what crap ends and you also get access we have a free newsletter that's available to everyone there so check that out and this coming weekend we are going to be writing also about South by Southwest we'll probably be going into even further detail than we do on our bonus episode we have video you can watch us not just listen to us with the crap is on demand discord community all the great things are over there and maybe greatest of all for some people is an ad free feed so you don't have to even listen to ads so that's all at patreon go check it out today we are here with the southern charm reunion and uh things that we learned are that craig has so much empathy to give that he could never be a narcissist he he is just filled with so much empathy that that he needs a special spray a magician spray so that he doesn't absorb any negative energy that may fill the void of all the empathy he has to give out.

3:29And we also learned that, um, uh, Austin still can do the

3:34Ben Mandelker: old fashioned Austin things. Despite, despite having two strong years of, of being not the worst, he comes on this reunion and, uh, basically just slush him salad.

3:45Ronnie Karam: And you know, the, this is, and we tell you every season, do not be fooled by these idiots because they are all douchebags. and they take turns. This year was Craig's turn to get called out all year. But don't think that Austin's not a douchebag. And all of you who fell for his, oh, I have a long-distance girlfriend and I'm a cat dad. Austin is still, at the end of the day, one of the biggest assholes on this show. And don't you forget it. Because he won't let you. He will not let you. His bad edit.

4:13Ben Mandelker: His bad edit is rising, everyone. Right? Like, this puts the horoscopes. Like, the one thing descending, one thing rising. He is a bad edit rising. look forward to it next season Shep is the one who got out scot-free because he just sat quiet the whole reunion and he was in the middle I think I don't think Shep has ever been that far down the sofa he just was in the middle beyond Sally I mean he was like beyond Sally it was like you just sort of see mists and like distant vistas and there's Shep out there and he just was quiet and stayed out

4:42Ronnie Karam: of the mess he still looked fucked up from last night you know he got to New York and partied all night and he still just looks trashed and just stays out of it and it's wise it's a wise move so here we go arrivals to the reunion and also like you got death taxes in the southern charm reunion things you can count on cat dad cat dad and he's like here we go they're all like walking

5:07Ben Mandelker: into the building we're getting a lot of footage of them entering which means that they don't have too much to talk about on the reunion because they have to pad it with all the people showing up and like, here's someone in an elevator. Ha! I just press up. So now we're in makeup and Madison is like, I'm back to fighting weight. Okay? I'm back. I'm back to fight. I'm like an alpha again. And then Austin is talking to Rod and Austin has like a Starbucks coffee in his hand. He's like, I ordered Shep's ass.

5:32Ronnie Karam: A flat white. I'm sure that's funny to everyone with a flat white ass. Okay? Without a flat white ass. But it's not great for the rest of us.

5:43Ben Mandelker: yeah that's what now anyone who orders that drink is just gonna be thinking about shep's ass which we have seen on this show many times yeah so vanita's talking to her makeup

5:53Ronnie Karam: person uh giving a full interview she's like i'm enraged with anger but i'm looking forward to getting it all hashed out on the table so the friendships i want i can save and i'll save the friendships i want don't you worry don't you worry it's me vanita so then uh wit is getting his make up Wittner and he's like, yeah, you know, there are certain people in the group that need to be held accountable, but Wittner really doesn't do much on the show. So he's one of those people that just got here and is always spouting off about everything. It's like, you know, you don't really do anything yet, sir.

6:26Ronnie Karam: Like you just got to the HOA. I don't want to hear it from you. By the way, I got asked to run for my HOA board. What do you think of that? I think you should.

6:36Ben Mandelker: I thought there's only two people in your HOA. You and your neighbor, right?

6:40Ronnie Karam: No. Well, that's a separate. We have to have a separate one because we have condos built in a place that didn't have condos. And so one of the laws is that we have to have our own HOA, which is really weird. Technically, I'm the president of that one. I would love it. I won. I won that vote. I think you should. Which is weird because there's two of them and one of me. So I still won the vote. one of the husbands voted for me I love the idea of you being the president

7:06Ben Mandelker: of an HOA with three people in the HOA but no I think you should totally do it because I think you would be hilarious as the president I don't know you would just be a fair spouting off funny things you'd be like I was born at night but not last night but maybe you'd come dressed as Nancy your alter ego and be like hi

7:26Ronnie Karam: y 'all hey everybody it's the HOA Hey, we're doing it. We all got our house painted in the accepted colors. Meredith, I saw blue on your house. Don't think I'm not watching you. That looks good on you at church, but not on our street. Get it off of your house. I'm going to burn it down.

7:47Ben Mandelker: Isn't there like a terrible car across the street from you that like is like annoying everyone? He moved.

7:53Ronnie Karam: Get out.

7:54Ben Mandelker: Good for you.

7:55Ronnie Karam: You see, it really does work when you visualize things and manifest things. I manifested his ass right out of here. But you know what? Yeah, but when I live in L.A., I got this guy out. And then in L.A., guess who moved in? Lambo. Which shakes the walls. So it's fucked up. Karma's fucked up.

8:15Ben Mandelker: I can confirm that. I was at Ronnie's house and that Lambo pulled up.

8:21Ben Mandelker: It's basically just like Craig trying to clear his throat. I'm like, oh God, shut your face.

8:27Ronnie Karam: Y 'all, it's like terrorism. You lop one head off and there's another man car that pops up right where that head was.

8:35Ben Mandelker: That's exactly how I would say it. So Wittner, yeah, it's like there are certain people that need to be held accountable, politely, of course, and only when called upon. Yeah, it's like, my mom's an anarchist. And one thing that we learned is that when there's justice that needs to be had, you sit very quietly and patiently until Andy asks you a question.

8:52Ronnie Karam: we are going to call out the problematic people but not too loudly mama does not like fighting over dinner

9:00Ben Mandelker: hey guys I should have put thumbtacks in my shoes in my toes so that or like my shoes like the toe part of my shoe so that if I get like nervous I can like press down on them and then like I'll stop shaking my foot right guys God I have so much empathy to the people that have to see me nervous

9:18Ronnie Karam: alright well let's play some tense music it's like do do do um so andy likes craig's suit and it's time hey welcome to the southern charm season 11 reunion i'm your host andy cohen guess what i'm a dad ready to break down an explosive season that had a full-blown love triangle and a triangle of dysfunction between bros and how i probably shouldn't say that anymore i'm a new andy okay sally how you doing

9:53Ben Mandelker: i'm good yeah andy i'm over here i'm good say all right madison you look stunning as always has life with a newborn i'm obsessed you want more yes anything you want to announce today do i look like i'm gonna have another andy listen i'm gonna have a hot girl summer because that's the cool thing I'm Bravo and maybe next year we'll get it done

10:16Ronnie Karam: Shepi how's your new house dreaming you? It's good Andy it's about to go under the knife for renovation soon

10:25Ben Mandelker: and Andy's Andy's like well the house looks huge and the Shep is your zipper undone? Cause the girls are gesturing to him like zipper zip he's like curse I'll go Shep alright well that was cool I was trying to get a peek but too bad shouldn't have called it out. Hey, I love your dress. Am I going to compare to Diane Ross again this season? I won't, but I was wondering how it's going to be sitting down. It's perfect. You never miss.

10:56Ronnie Karam: Wow, look at Austin's bow ties, not the bow tie Craig gave you. He's like, I've worn that bow tie so many times, so many times. Every time I wear it, I say, I hate the fucking guy who gave me this. I fucking hate him.

11:11Ben Mandelker: Hey, Sally, You don't look like the type to hang out in a chicken cube. Do you miss chickens at all? I literally do not miss the chickens at all. But what I do miss is Austin's dick. I'm waving to it right now. There it is.

11:29Ronnie Karam: Craig, how are you feeling about tonight? He's like, I don't know. It's like a reunion day. Like, I know there will be conflict, but it doesn't seem malicious like other years. Smile. Wink. I shine

11:43Ben Mandelker: did you watch the season I lived it but by the way just so you know the other person who famously would not watch the season back was Jax so I'm not saying there's parallels but I'm actually explicitly saying that

11:57Ronnie Karam: the other person who constantly talked about addiction while doing nothing about it so he could get sympathy from the audience by the way

12:04Ben Mandelker: and denied accusations of narcissism so yes Jax hey what do you think about Craig not watching the season. Well, I understand sometimes you watch it and you see something and it makes you reactive, but I think it's interesting how it gets spun into the reality that Craig remembers it, but it's like, oh, wait, wait, like three of us were there, okay? Right? Like, we all know, like three, well, actually it's five if you count the two cats. Cat's ass.

12:30Ronnie Karam: I think Craig has a reality distortion. You call Austin victim mentality, but you exhibit a lot of that too. You're like, you don't understand. It was taken out of context. but we see it. It's on television. And Charlie's just nodding. She's like, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

12:46Ben Mandelker: Yeah. I'm just trying to be decent on camera, okay? I do think in some certain situations that I've been part of, I do not have the same explanation of it that Greg does. Well, I just call it as I see it, and especially this year, I was 100 % myself, and that's all you can do is be vulnerable. Yes, Greg. When I look at you screaming at Sally in the van, And I think, what a vulnerable guy.

13:12Ronnie Karam: He just pulls out all of the keywords that he needs to. Well, Craig, do you have a goal tonight regarding your friendship with Austin? And he's like, well, I'm here to hear everyone out. I'm like, I'm in this space in my life where I look for peace now. And in an ideal scenario, we would get back to where we were, I guess. Have you noticed Craig is doing this, like, twitching thing when he talks slightly? He's like, yeah, like, I guess.

13:40Ben Mandelker: Well, ChatGPG gave him some pointers on body language.

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16:41Ben Mandelker: And I cannot believe someone who claims to be a very good close friend of mine is saying such horrible things about me and my cats. Hashtag cat tag. So we have parted ways and that's what needs to happen. But some shit does need to be flushed out. No doubt. I'm like, I'll tell you what needs to be flushed out is all the saliva that seems to gather in your mouth and spew on everyone. How about a suction straw like at the dentist?

17:04Ronnie Karam: yeah all right well let's see where the night takes as you guys are really blowing your load early okay we're attacking craig first thing let me get to a segment okay holy moly hey molly hey last year you played a euphonium and this year you sang beautifully by the way so i loved hearing

17:24Ben Mandelker: you sing wow what a voice well can you believe that we are somehow still in the hellos hey hey, Rodrigo.

17:32Ronnie Karam: Because they won't even, like, let him not, they won't even let him finish hellos, and they're like, fuck Craig, fuck Craig, which is hilarious. They're all ready to go, ready to rip him apart.

17:43Ben Mandelker: Hey, Rodrigo, your engagement party was beautiful. Interesting that the gay guy is going to be the first gentleman in the group to be, to tie the knot. He's like, yeah, it's been 12 years, Andy, but that's just what it is, girlfriend. All right, and hi, Charlie West. Still more people. And I hate that we're going out of order on the Sovas. Just can't keep track of anything. Okay, it's Charlie's birthday. She turned 28. How does it feel to be the new girl on the block? She's like, it's intimidating for sure. Sally keeps staring at me and I'm just really scared. I just want to hop on this pillow.

18:19Ronnie Karam: You got this. Wow. When it's your first time, who gave you your best advice? He's like, well, my mama. And after that, I would say Shep and Austin, You know, speak when you have the opportunity. Don't wait. And if you have to wait, say it then. All right. Wasn't really listening. Thankfully, because that really didn't make any sense.

18:42Ben Mandelker: Well, you know, my mama said, here's something I learned out of the anarchist playbook, which is when you see injustice, you go to each and every one of your estates in Charleston and France. and you find a spoon and you bang on a pan and make sure the world hears you.

19:01Ronnie Karam: This season, Charleston was hit with a quadruple dose of bachelor energy when Craig, Shep, Wittner, and eventually Austin were all single at the same time.

19:13Ben Mandelker: Molly, is it a net positive or negative for the women of Charleston to have these three back on the single seat? By the way, I love how he immediately takes Wittner out of the equation. He's like, oh, so much bachelor energy. There were four guys who were single. Molly, what's it like when these three guys are single? Well, it was positive for me, Andy.

19:35Ronnie Karam: Vanita's like, I'm good.

19:37Ben Mandelker: I went to the deli. It was, I found three bottles of Yoo-Hoo in the refrigerator.

19:43Ronnie Karam: Vanita's like, yeah, I'll say negative. Well, you know, it's not back on town the way it used to be, though. Because the three of us used to walk to town. Like, we used to go down King Street, and we would just, like, terrorize people with, you know, our Tommy Bahama shirts, our baseball caps, our really long armpit hair. But it's not like that now, Andy.

20:01Ben Mandelker: Isn't it funny how that's what we were like? And then later on, I'm going to villainize Sally for doing the same thing. So then Andy's like, well, Rodrigo, you called Charleston Temptation Island. And then you said, comma, girlfriend. You think any of these gentlemen are ready to resist the temptation and settle down? He's like, well, really looking at it. By the way, Rodrigo, was he drunk? I felt like he was slurring the entire time. He was like, really looking at it.

20:24Ronnie Karam: He said on some podcasts, because I said that last, I said that in some episode, and people are like, you can't say that. He has a speech impediment. Well, first of all, who doesn't? I do. I mean, I have one. But second, I think he's drunk. I'm sorry. I don't care. I don't care what anybody says. I still think he's drunk.

20:39Ben Mandelker: If it's a speech impediment, well, I will hold space for it. If it's not a speech impediment, then he may.

20:44Ronnie Karam: Two things can be true, is what I'm saying.

20:48Ben Mandelker: Well, that's fine. You know, if he sounds drunk because of a speech impediment, then that explains it. so um he's like well really looking at it i think it would be whitney and craig i think austin is newly single shep is exploring and lord knows that dick gets in trouble left right and sideways am i right and then austin he's like that dick don't stop exploring yeah austin keeps on trying out like gay sass and it's so funny to me because you already did the flat white thing like i ordered Shep's ass flat white. Am I right? Girlfriend. I was doing this.

21:20Ronnie Karam: That dick don't

21:21Ben Mandelker: stop exploring.

21:24Ronnie Karam: Get a little monkey to follow around my dick with a backpack on because it's Dora the Dick Explorer. Am I right? Right? Ladies, we got a lot of audience comments that were perplexed and none of you went for wit. Wow. Lucy from Keith said, Wittner is the most eligible, hottest, most successful non-toxic guy on the show, Madison, what's your opinion?

21:52Ben Mandelker: Well, as we all know, non-toxic is disgusting, so I think that kind of explains that. As soon as you say that, he's pretty much just like a stone. Why would you even date him? I mean, I'm sorry, did you

22:01Ronnie Karam: mean to say beta?

22:06Ben Mandelker: We're just not into that. I've known Wittner for a long time and I told the girls, especially Vanita, you should go after Wittner. And then Vanita says, and he's like well wait Veneto you mentioned what happened so Veneto's like well because when I tried to have Rodrigo as my backup he was like oh Wittner what about Charlie and I was like oh you're supposed to be team me not team Charlie

22:27Ronnie Karam: what is this like the 1800s people do pick their own partners now like why did you not offer a dowry like to wit like what's going on

22:37Ben Mandelker: why did you not announce me at the ball you announced the wrong lady coming down the staircase Like what? Vanita, that's a terrible excuse.

22:46Ronnie Karam: And then we find out that Vanita is friends with Wittner's mom. I love Vanita just being friends with everybody's mom. Because wasn't she friends with JT's mom too or something? Yeah.

22:56Ben Mandelker: Vanita's definitely that girl. She's definitely like friends with the mom sort of girl. Which I think I say that actually as a compliment. Like I love that energy. She just is friends with everyone's moms.

23:06Ronnie Karam: I mean, that's how I am too. So Andy says, Witt, did you know that Vanita felt that way? And he's like, no, God, I was completely unaware of this sentiment. And she's like, are you blushing? And he goes, yeah, a little. I mean, I just didn't know this was coming. Wow. We even need a winner. Those Vanita stopped trying to make me believe that you like Whitmer. You can't Vanita tries it every season. Like, uh, JT, I liked it. Carl. I like Carl. I like Carl.

23:32Ben Mandelker: Isn't Carl the thing? Come on. Carl. Uh, yeah. Whitner is like, yeah, did not know. Question. Whitner. do you like Branzino and do you like eating it on a sofa? Because that will inform us on which way this direction, this relationship is going. So Andy is like, Sally, on Watch What Happens Live, you said you really don't know Wittner yet. And you then said, who you, which you said is opposite of you. And I didn't really understand it, but now I kind of do. What do you think?

24:01Ronnie Karam: Yeah, she gave a shady answer. Basically, they said, how come none of the girls are trying to hook up with Wittner? And Sally said, well, I don't think anybody really has gotten to know Wittner yet, insinuating that he's a real asshole and they just haven't shown it on the show yet, which left us believing that there was going to be some part of the show where he was going to become a monster like the rest of the guys. And it never came. So it was kind of like a false spoiler. And so he's calling it Sally out.

24:28Ben Mandelker: Yeah, which is good because it actually like we literally spent the entire season saying things like, well, Wittner seems really nice, but we know the other shoe is going to drop. We know he's an asshole because Sally said something. So she's like, well, I didn't mean it like that. And he's like, well, it did come off poorly if I can offer my opinion. She's like, well, I love my relationship with Wittner, but he talks a little bit too much about himself for me. I'm like, you're pining after Austin and this is your issue with Wittner? I don't understand that. Don't they all talk about themselves extensively?

25:01Ronnie Karam: And Wittner's like, yeah, I've never noticed. Yeah, but all the guys are sitting here talking about themselves all the time. That's all the guys on here do. No, you talk about them all the time. At least they talk about themselves. You literally talk about boys the entire time. You're like, I'm a robot technician who has chickens, but I love boys. It's like your whole personality. Sandy's like, well, I want to know what you ladies are looking for in a man. I mean, if none of you will go for washed up alcoholics at least 10 years your senior,

25:35Ben Mandelker: what are you looking for? sally takes her thumb she goes everything this guy has you pointing to austin and they're like

25:44Ronnie Karam: wow i say yeah austin wow you know i've been going to diners and they say would you like

25:50Ben Mandelker: something this morning i say a grand slam with austin moon over my hammy and make sure the hammy is often the moon is me i'm over him yes and in the in the sexual way of course and so craig is like she's like she's like i just my biggest thing is personality i was like when you're pointing with your thumb did you mean to point it at austin in that moment was there someone else in the room that that thumb was intended for because you said personality and i just i'm not

26:19Ronnie Karam: connecting the dots here well she did say she wants austin's personality in my body and then

26:24Ben Mandelker: somehow we were both offended which was craig's way to be like but he's ugly and so um it was Sally's way to be like, he's ugly. Well, so he's like, wow, Craig's looks and Austin's personality.

26:38Ronnie Karam: We'd have a Craig's a shitty person and Austin's a shitty looking person. So if we just mix them,

26:46Ben Mandelker: which like, yeah, that would be nice. But like Craig bringing that up in that moment was his way of kind of like popping the bubble that cause Austin, you know, Austin was feeling himself. He was like doing a, he was like pretending to smile and he put his like hands below his face. He's like, Ooh, who me? So he's like, Charlie, you and Craig dated this season what was he like as a suitor she's like oh he was great loved his suits no that's not what that means but whatever and Craig's like and then this whole world got involved and it went away which is also from the Jax playbook

27:17Ronnie Karam: yes everybody else did it it wasn't you screaming at women probably yeah it was them making you do it so Sally's like I hate that I'm blamed for y 'all not being together because that's bullshit No, because the whole time you were like Charlie's talking to other boys Well, she was talking to other boys But she promised she wasn't talking to anyone else When we were together And Charlie's like, um, I did not Like, there was a time when you were like You know, should I get back on Raya? And then I was like, yeah, I'm on Raya Yeah, but that's like When we were talking during the season I was led to believe that you I was not talking to anyone else During the time that I was talking to you At the Oyster Place there wasn't anyone else at the oyster place is what i was saying

28:03Ben Mandelker: i can't throw my voice like a ventriloquist so when i was talking to you i was literally only talking to you but the horrible things that sally was saying like you were looking out for me but i was like believing the girl i was talking to and like we talked about that and molly craig's basically saying like i didn't listen to you sally and i should have listened to you yes he's now craig

28:23Ronnie Karam: is making it because Charlie dumped him. Now Craig's going to make it like, oh, Charlie was cheating on me the whole time. She didn't even like me. She was always like fucking random guys. He's such a fucking pig. Of course he's going to do that. And they didn't show in this, but in the preview last week, they showed him saying something like this. Like, yeah, she was talking to other guys the whole time. And Charlie goes, we went on two dates,

28:45Ben Mandelker: Craig. Yeah. And I'm wondering why they cut that. And there's probably like an element of this that's like, I was made to look like the bad guy because I rejected Sally and then I threw her under the bus. But now this is his way of kind of saying Charlie was the one who led me to do that. I kind of feel like that's an underlying current in this. Like, oh, I was listening to Charlie and I should listen to you, Sally. And the only reason why I was mean to you, Sally, was because I listened to Charlie. That's kind of what he's saying here. So Andy's like, this season, Molly proved once again that her musical talents are limitless.

29:21Ben Mandelker: So when Sally started flapping her lips about her nip tuck, Molly said, told Sally to change her tune. But that didn't stop the lady's friendship from hitting new sour notes. I was like, you're somehow weaving in like musical puns and like labia puns.

29:38Ronnie Karam: So funny. I like when the watch what happens, staff just is tired. And they're like, well, she was flapping her lips about tromboning or euphoning. when all of a sudden a chicken from licking came around the corner and trained its way all the way down the tracks of a bus stop. Like, what? You're all drunk over there.

30:00Ben Mandelker: No time for a rest to take a beat when things fell flat and Sally had some sharp things to say about Molly. Vagina.

30:10Ronnie Karam: So I also liked when he goes, well, Molly proved that, you know, when Sally started flapping her lips, And then Molly goes, about my lips. It's like, yeah, Sally, that's the point. Yeah, Molly, that's the point. So the point is, Molly has a new guy and sounds like a winner. He's 56. She's 38. And I was like, is it Whitney? Because they're like, he's a musician. He's a great guitarist. It's just Whitney. It's Whitney.

30:39Ben Mandelker: Have you fully conquered your stage fright? Asks no one in the audience. Molly's like, well, no, but it's gotten immensely better. And I actually asked Austin and Craig if they would book me a gig at By The Way. By The Way. And now I do two days a month. Have a little bar. And he's like, wow, Molly, things between you and Sally went south. South. Get it.

31:01Ronnie Karam: Left my vagina.

31:04Ben Mandelker: That was the point. It was a real low note. What were you thinking when you heard that Sally was gossiping about your vagina? And of course, we all knew when this happened during the season that this would be a priority talking point in the reunion in the first 15 minutes, of course.

31:20Ronnie Karam: Like, well, it was like literally the one thing that like I did that I didn't want to tell the world. So like I was pretty pissed about it and I never told her about it. So I don't even know where she got it. Well, Vanita, viewers had a lot to say about you sharing Molly's surgery when you should have been keeping your lips shut. Like my vagina lips. That was the point. Okay.

31:44Ben Mandelker: One battle from after another said, exposing someone who's supposed to be your friend in such an intimate way is disgusting. And it's like, yes, it was disgusting. When Molly approached me the first time, the first thing I did was apologize for it. And I told her that she had every right and still has every right to be mad at me for it. And I made sure to apologize again and again. I never should have done it. And Molly's like, yeah, she apologized a lot. And I've gotten like a lot of flowers out of it. And what was great is that she would apologize and there wasn't a but after the apology. It's like cut to correct me like, huh?

32:18Ben Mandelker: That's like an improper sentence.

32:21Ronnie Karam: Sally, did you apologize? And so I was like, well, I mean, I apologize for bringing it to the group, but I didn't really want the information about the vagina in the first place. So why would I apologize for that? Well, the problem with Sally is like she's just so easy to talk to, you know, but then she tells everyone everything.

32:40Ben Mandelker: and Molly's like, yeah, but that's something so wild. You should know not to repeat it. And by the way, Sally's saying, I didn't want this information in the first place. So therefore I spread to other people who probably also didn't want it, but why not? Sally's like, you know, there was a camera in my face and Vanita's telling me about your vagina on camera. So obviously it's not a secret. It's so interesting. Charlie, do you feel like you can trust Sally with your info? And have you ever had anything done to your vagina you'd like to share? She's like, well, I do. and if I tell her please do not share this, she will take it to the grave.

33:12Ben Mandelker: If I forget to, she'll announce it from the top of Mount Everest. And I don't think that I should have to say that all the time though, by the way.

33:20Ronnie Karam: Well, Molly, it sounds like you and Vanita and Sally are all good now. You trust them both with your vagina. Molly's like, well, I don't know if trust is 100 % back, but we're a good place.

33:32Ben Mandelker: Alright, you're done now, Molly. I'm not talking to you the rest of the reunion. You can go home now. Bye.

33:36Ronnie Karam: Yeah, you buy him okay you phony buy okay so madison let's talk about you what's the difference about motherhood this time versus 13 years ago just other than the fact that you've got a hot charisma free man god i want that man what a hot piece of ass that man is what uh but okay did who am i talking to can we get brett out here to sit on my lap great well obviously in the past 13 years

34:03Ben Mandelker: back then i was a single mother and in 13 years that you know there have been huge advances in corn production. So, you know, now my new baby, she's not only born for corn, but she's born for so many new interesting versions of corn. So it's a real honor. I'm living my best life.

34:20Ronnie Karam: So she talks about how the baby looks like her dad, which is really touching and that's sweet and I'm bored. So Andy's like, well, I saw on Instagram a post of Sally and Austin out with you and Brett the baby. What was it like to hang out with Teddy? Was the baby smarter than Austin and Sally put together already? Tell us the truth.

34:40Ben Mandelker: It was so much fun, and at first I thought that baby just wouldn't stop crying, but then I realized it was just saliva that Austin had spat on its face by accident. So it was a lovely evening for all of us.

34:50Ronnie Karam: It was like the tale of two parents and two non-parents. We had a race with the baby to see who could have more bottles the quickest.

35:00Ben Mandelker: So, you know, Andy's like, well, Austin, are you going to give Sally a baby? And she's like, yeah, that would be real cute. I'm ready, Austin. Let's go in the back right now. He's like, well, Sally and I have a wonderful relationship. We've hung out all sorts of times. And yeah, there have been some drunken makeouts. And Rod's like, so no sleepovers, girlfriend? No, well, we had a sleepover. Yeah, it was all very innocent. And we were watching TV. And we woke up and, oh, I can't see what happens next.

35:32Ronnie Karam: what did you watch on tv and how did crazy rotations end that's a big one this year it's like we were watching heated rivalry and also like oh my god that's right we did

35:42Ben Mandelker: we did andy we did andy's like wait wait sorry i was sort of asleep this entire reunion

35:50Ronnie Karam: i'm awake now what's that about molly tells him it's a closeted gay hockey players show with lots of gay sex. And Craig's like, wait, heated rivalry is supposed to be me and Austin's story. No. No. Jack is at home like, how dare you? How dare you, Craig?

36:14Ben Mandelker: So Wittner's like, oh, god, what are we? What's going on over here? And Maz is like, you guys are dumb as fuck. You think you're just gonna sit here and tell us that y 'all haven't had sex? And I was like, no, we're not fucking. We're watching heated rivalry. So sensational. When I got that smoothie that purple thin half-filled smoothie wow that was amazing um so um they're like so are you guys

36:40Ronnie Karam: fucking yes or no and uh whitner's like yeah did you go all the way like what are we why are we asking him like that what are we in grade school and madison like you guys are dumb as fuck if you think you're gonna sit here and tell us you've not fucked he's like we're not fucking and he's like

36:56Ben Mandelker: Sally have you and have you and Austin been intimate and Sally goes well Austin he's like Sally help me out I mean making out is intimate and I don't know you who

37:16Ronnie Karam: Molly goes I think Sally would tell us if they had had sex and it just cuts to Sally going um

37:28Ben Mandelker: Guys, guys, guys, we're not doing this big thing in secret that you all think that we're doing, even though that is exactly what I said about Taylor a few seasons ago. But we're not. This time, I'm not lying. I'm not covering up something.

37:41Ronnie Karam: Yeah, we've heard the sleepover with no sex before, sir. Exactly. Well, I don't understand why you're being weird about it. You didn't cheat on Audrey. And he's like, because I set a clear boundary of what, like, we're not going to do this because it felt disrespectful to Audrey. And I'm a good guy and I respect women. So I'm not going to brag about the woman I'm fucking when Audrey could be watching the show, even though I'm fucking Sally. Do you understand? I'm a good guy.

38:05Ben Mandelker: And it's called a good edit. I'm working on it. And he's like, yeah, but now we're eight months from Audrey. And there's nothing to be ashamed about. You're both single. I know the reason to. I don't know the reason not to say it. They're fucking. they're fucking

38:21Ronnie Karam: okay she went out and she got herself a baby she's fucking him Sally's like there's been more than kissing I'll tell you that

38:30Ben Mandelker: Molly's like stop lying well I'm trying to be more of a lady Damon if you did sleep together why would it be bad meanwhile Craig will be the first one to be like you guys were sleeping together if you were like a real adult you wouldn't be sleeping with Sally she's chaos

38:48Ronnie Karam: I wouldn't see it as a big deal Yeah but I have thought of it as a big deal So how about that Well I think Sally just said You guys had done more So you're embarrassed is that what you're saying You're embarrassed to Sally I mean I wouldn't blame you You're embarrassed of her just say you're embarrassed I'm not embarrassed Well you're red as a beet

39:10Ben Mandelker: Honestly fuck y 'all I'm a cat dad How could you do this to me Well fuck y 'all because you're lying It's like, okay, look, I'm not, okay? We're not fucking, okay? And he's like, well, but Sally's giving me something totally different than what you're giving me with her eyes. And Vida's like, she's obsessed with Austin. We don't get it, but that's why she's giving googly eyes. I'm not obsessed with Austin. It's like, your hand is literally on his dick right now. Oh, you who? No, but in a cute way. That's why I say googly eyes.

39:39Ronnie Karam: Well, I've gone out with Austin. I've seen y 'all talk. I've seen Austin talk to other girls and leave with other girls. and have, I've just totally been fine with it. Molly's like, well, you do get upset about it. She goes, well, no, I mean, I don't love it, but I'm not banging on his door like, why are you with another bitch? You know, I just call all my girlfriends and I say, why is he with another bitch? It's different, it's different. I don't have a restraining order this time.

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41:19Ben Mandelker: So, Rodrigo's like, Madison, why are they lying? She's like, no. So, Austin goes, look, I do my thing. Sally does her thing. And that's the way we like it. Yeah, but Sally, it was very sweet seeing you with your niece. Seems like all this got you thinking about starting your own family. We lost the dew bagging. And it's like just when Sally thought it was gonna be a different story, like a different line of questioning. It's like, you want to start a family with Austin? So she's like, well, it's just about finding the right guy. And obviously I have problems doing that. Well, and your therapist said, if you want to be a wife, act like a wife.

41:55Ben Mandelker: Your response was, why would I act like a wife if I'm not a wife? Madison, does Sally need to act like a wife to become a wife? Let's see what Madison will predictably say. Yes.

42:06Ronnie Karam: Well to her credit She said she was an awesome fiance She goes I would act like a wife If I was in a relationship I'm a very good girlfriend

42:16Ben Mandelker: Look I'm just basing this Off of conversations that Austin and I have had And he even said that you were like A little more tamed down If you were just a little bit more tamed down And didn't run the streets And weren't just a slutty mongrel Out in the streets of Charleston That he would look at you in a different light

42:31Ronnie Karam: Than just like a hookup You know I was talking to Austin And he literally told me Hey Madison, why am I going to buy a cow If I get free milk? Why? Why would I do that? And I don't even drink milk anymore I like oat milk in my cereal And I said, what are you, a fucking pussy? God, it was a good conversation

42:50Ben Mandelker: And then I said, why would you get milk from such a slutty cow in the first place? And he said, I don't know

42:55Ronnie Karam: Do you know how many people have had their hand cows udders? And he said, I know I want my own cow

43:03Ben Mandelker: I said, it doesn't matter that your glass has been passed around this far more than anything else. If that cow's been passed around, that's the real problem.

43:10Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so gross. Sally's like, well, it's not that I'm out there hooking up with people. I'm just having a good time. He goes, why are you running the streets like that? I just meant, like, you're a bar rat and a slut.

43:23Ben Mandelker: By the way, this is all so fucked up.

43:26Ronnie Karam: This is beyond fucked up. Because he is the biggest whore in town. And he's like, well, if she wants me to like her and be her girlfriend and she needs to stop being so slutty like why would i want to date the town bicycle is what he's saying and you know that's what your mom tells you in the south growing up you know and it's just so gross that we're in 2026 and people are still talking like this when like literally austin is the same way like why are the guys allowed to do it but the women do it and it's like uh you're never you know no one will ever watch you you're used literally

44:00Ben Mandelker: She literally just said, I sit there and watch Austin take all these girls home and I don't have a problem with it. Implying he's taking home a bunch of girls. And the fact that they're like, yeah, well, you know, she's just up and down these streets. You know, she's just a bar rat. She's just getting drunk and throwing herself at men. Like, you know, and that therapist advice of like, if you want to be a wife, act like a wife. It just is so retrograde. I understand the idea of like, if you want to get into a serious relationship, you have to start looking for different things. And you do, you do have to sort of, you know, not conduct yourself or hold yourself differently, but you have to sort of go into dating with a little bit more intentionality than you would if you're just like partying and having fun.

44:38Ben Mandelker: But the way they're talking is kind of like, hey, she's just like a slutty disaster. But don't worry, once she gets into a relationship, she will take care of all her man's needs at all times because that is the role that she she needs to ascend to. I'm just like this just feels all just so

44:58Ronnie Karam: so southern charm it's like it's just so wrong it's just like patriarchy like enjoy the patriarchy the night at nine you know it's always so bad and just the fact that they're ragging on Sally so hard while claiming they're not and Sally's just sitting there like what what and still like begging for Austin by the end of this is like oh god get some self respect.

45:22Ben Mandelker: Austin thinks he's softening the blow by saying, I didn't mean you're running the streets. I just said that you're a bar rat. It's like, oh, oh, well, now that you put it that way that I'm a bar rat, I guess it's okay. I understand that.

45:34Ronnie Karam: That's the man who literally just opened a bar to fuck more 20-year-olds. I mean, seriously. So Madison's like, well, okay, wait a minute. Did you not have this conversation with me about Sally? Because Sally, Sally and I also had a conversation where she was like, I don't understand, Austin. Why aren't you liking at me he's like but it's like the accumulation of like i don't know like dicks like they just pile up outside her door it's like it's snowing dicks like shovel the dicks off your walk i can't

46:00Ben Mandelker: even get to my car you know what i'm saying oh austin just say it just speak it stop stammering so much and sally's like i don't go out when i'm in a relationship i'm single when i'm in a relationship i swear i'm a good girl i'll make you food i'll make your bed i'll do your laundry i'll whatever you need me to do. Don't you worry. I can act like that.

46:18Ronnie Karam: When she was saying that, I was like, no. She's like, I'll do your laundry. I'll cook for you. It's like, oh my God, stop it. Just stop it. You're making me crazy. It's so gross. So Madison's like, but you know, he's saying seven days a week. That's just not appealing to him. She goes, well, you don't even see me from Monday to Friday cooking because I'm cooking dinners in my house. And he's like,

46:41Ben Mandelker: that is not happening come on so andy and he's like are you still working and when we see photos of her like working at her like very impressive job you know it's like oh yeah remember she is a three-dimensional person and and and then like wow she works wow she's a professional yeah but she still goes out and austin really does himself no favors by saying yeah you go out you have your fun you sleep with whoever i don't care but there is a body count of a lot of people that I know. So it's a body count. So then Andy finally comes to the fence.

47:14Ronnie Karam: When he said that there's a body count, what the fuck? You're Austin. You are so disgusting. You are syphilis. What are you talking about?

47:24Ben Mandelker: It was so shitty. And Andy's like, excuse me, but I can start on the body count with you. He's like, no, yeah, yeah, sure, sure, sure, sure. And by the way, the Bravo body count is not small. He's like, no, no, and I'm not going to be bullied into wanting to date Sally. Well, that's fine. You can say, just because you guys want me to be with Sally, I don't have to be with Sally. But of course, everyone believes that you are with Sally. And that's the issue here.

47:46Ronnie Karam: The thing is, you're fucking Sally still. And then you're calling her a slut at the same time. It's fucking disgusting behavior. And it's like you won't be bullied into wanting to date Sally. But you're going to bully Sally for dating you. You know? It's just gross. And then he's like, but I'm not bullying you. I'm just saying Sally's allowed to do what Sally wants to do. And he goes, yeah. And she calls me and tells me. So go on, girl. I'm good girlfriend Rob's like yeah And Rob just goes you guys should just like stay fuck buddies Cause like that dick don't stop Am I right girlfriend That dick don't stop

48:21Ben Mandelker: Sashay you stay So then Craig is like to complete the question The girl you are looking for If it's a girl who's living a very single life Which we're all saying is fine Or are you gonna try to find someone Who's like staying in or whatever He's not looking for anybody you stupid face and andy's like well she has a great job she's the catch of a lifetime and austin's like yeah once again here it is everyone's saying austin date sally so now austin's the victim of peer

48:48Ronnie Karam: pressure right like oh poor austin yeah so it's like no one's asking you to date me okay but if you did you'd be fair you're close to be ironed madison madison says words out of my mouth i told austin if he made sally his girlfriend she'd be the most loyal girlfriend yeah i'll do your laundry I'll cook your food. I'll wait by the door for you to come home. Oh, God. Maybe I just do too much for my man.

49:14Ben Mandelker: Andy's like, do you like dating older gay guys? No, I don't. Can we get a break?

49:22Ronnie Karam: I got to pee. This is ridiculous. Jeez, we've been talking about losers for two hours. I got to pee just to have something aggressive on this stage.

49:31Ben Mandelker: So they go to break when they come back. Before they come back, Andy is looking at Craig's bracelet he's like let's do a bracelet he's like um this is the greek evil eye that was supposed to prevent evil energy from coming my way and then i wore an empath spray that a magician made at applebee's he came from table to table and he like made my straw disappear and then he gave me a little spray and said this is um empath spray and it was in nashville because i give so much of my energy out that he was worried I would absorb negative energy. God.

50:06Ronnie Karam: You should spray that in your mouth because that's crazy. What a loser. Yeah, I got empath spray. I'm protecting myself with a Greek evil eye and empath spray from a magician.

50:18Ben Mandelker: My God. Now I can protect evil feelings from coming over and taking over my body and on top of that, your card is the three of diamonds. Craig stop doing the magician stuff You didn't learn anything from that damn spray

50:34Ronnie Karam: Welcome back The thing that shocked Austin more than his slow motion Breakup with Audrey might have been his decision To become a devoted Cat dad Oh yeah cat dad Absolutely perfect creatures

50:50Ben Mandelker: He says that but I don't know I'm just like laughing at you saying it Because it's such an awesome thing to say Perfect creatures and he's like well you say you struggle with women sometimes has reason do cats helped you and Whitney's like oh you mean the most uncommitted animal you could have in a house hashtag anarchist son and Austin's like that's facts because I got cats because I can leave town I got two and that was a good advice from you Craig yeah I have a lot of cat wisdom to purvey evil eye protecting me

51:20Ronnie Karam: one time I got a cat spray and I've known everything about cats ever since then Was it from a magician? No, it was from a cat. It smelled. But they speak to me now.

51:33Ben Mandelker: Are you sure a cat didn't just pee on you? No, I'm pretty sure it was a cat magician. You know what card I had.

51:40Ronnie Karam: All right, well, we've talked about Audrey. So let's get in there a little bit more, okay? You were questioning your relationship all season. Douche from Bagface said, Did you notice that when Austin was talking about their relationship, he only referenced himself? Waffle's the one in the relationship God

51:59Ben Mandelker: And him from Nat Said Austin's making her drive to him Nope nope and nope Well first off we did go back and forth As in I drove Down my driveway and she drove From Charlotte to here and that was Like meeting halfway I think that's pretty reasonable But like she wants to come to me because I have A house and she has a roommate and Shep's like Gosh you did like her Apartment you hate I mean you didn't like her apartment. It was awful. The roommate was terrible. You hated every single second of it. He's like, yeah, I hated her house. Okay, and Craig said you were stuck unhappy. That's wrong. I was not unhappy.

52:33Ben Mandelker: I just didn't know where he got that from. And you and I don't have those conversations that you maybe think we do, but you literally thought her name was Aubrey, so you can't even weigh in on this.

52:42Ronnie Karam: Well, I only met her four times. That's not enough time to learn someone's name. I didn't have empath spray back then.

52:50Ben Mandelker: Well, for you to say I was telling everyone I was unhappy, Audrey and I both were like, what the fuck?

52:56Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but it came from my analysis of the situation. I've been sprayed by cats and paths and analysis people. And when he said he wasn't going to drive to Charlotte anymore, I feel like he was stuck in this relationship and maybe the delivery was terrible, but my analysis, I stand by. Analysis spray.

53:16Ben Mandelker: From magician in Nashville. Madison! Oh, sorry. Andy, you have something to say. Thank you. Madison we go to a lot a lot of response about your conversation with Audrey on the beach and um uh Franken from Stein says at least she's keeping at 100 with Audrey and Madison's like yeah I always keep at 100 okay and I felt like she was so kind and she needed to know she needed to know that Austin was a beta and that another beta was after a beta and she needed as an alpha to go back to her own city and I was like hey take a look around be aware because she may take your man because that's what women do especially

53:51Ronnie Karam: when they're sluts in the streets I told her Sally might take your man And here we are Which is not a terrible point And Austin's like well it was shitty And Audrey was like what the fuck Yeah so now you're fucking Sally Can we just give Madison The credit that she is due Thank you Rod do you think Sally put a wedge between Austin and Audrey And he's like Yeah I mean listen you know I love you But clearly I was like girlfriend tone it down step off the curb you know because like you want to suck his dick we get it but like i felt so bad for her because she was like clearly hurt and like looking at the season where we end up like she's gonna even be more hurt even more hurt

54:38Ben Mandelker: with those eyes andy is like what is he looking for he's always doing that he is always it's like

54:44Ronnie Karam: constantly like looking below his glasses like i can see it if i just look far enough below my glasses.

54:50Ben Mandelker: It's like he just spotted a$20 bill down on the ground and hopes no one sees it first. Yes. He's like, I'm going to get that one. No one's looking. And he's like, did Audrey ever want to confront Sally? Yes. And Whitney's like, oh, give us those tickets. Might run everyone high five. And Austin's like, well, guess what? I stopped it because Sally would have been open, but Sally would apparently have been open to it. And Madison's like, I'm shocked she didn't do that out of that bar because I want to know what that conversation was like. And Austin says, well, I don't really remember, But it was for sure, had it been something about Sally.

55:22Ronnie Karam: Oh, you don't remember? Really? Getting told off at that bar when you were begging her not to do it on camera? You don't remember? So Audrey had a lot to say about this, and she submitted a video, which we're going to play right now. And he looks, and they're like, are you for real? And he's like, just joking. Audrey wasn't even charismatic enough to make it to a clip on the reunion.

55:45Ben Mandelker: She did send this email, which said, thanks for inviting me to make a video but unfortunately my bitch roommate didn't pay for our internet so I can't email it to you

55:55Ronnie Karam: so are you still in touch with her and he's like well we've spoken a couple of times and she's not pleased about the things she's seen you know because she's been sent things and I met up with her when the trailer was released and we hung out and Shep was with us and it was nice you know it was happy she was being so cool but then you know now she's not pleased because she saw the show and she was like I've been made to look like a fool

56:17Ben Mandelker: well we could have told you that would have happened even without the show you could have watched the other 10 seasons of this show or nine seasons or whatever and kind of seen who you were dating i mean do your research yeah so craig's like do you think she was trying to win you back and rod rod's like she looks better than ever and andy's like well are you and audrey still in touch and rodrigo's like well i mean after a couple of weeks ago after she reamed tyler and i for being complicit in this in his bullshit no offense babe both tyler and i tried to let her know and we were like we can just call you when we can and then we can have this conversation but she blew us off and we never heard back and she's her whatever biatch girlfriend well at the end of

57:05Ronnie Karam: the day you get betas for betas and audrey's not gonna be the girl you know audrey's gonna be that girl that she's gonna be the one that got away for austin no she's not austin can give a fuck about that girl. You are the one that got away for Austin. You. Stop trying to put it on Audrey. Stop projecting your terrible relationship with Austin and Aubrey.

57:25Ben Mandelker: You're misreading this. She's not going for accuracy. She's just going to stab Austin. That's all. Because he's like, that's not true. Yeah. And he'll feel that way for the rest of his life. No, it's not. No, I won't. Every time he looks in the mirror, he'll be thinking, gosh, Audrey could have been standing next to me. And I messed it up. Because I'm a fool. I'm an idiot. And I ordered too much ice cream when I go to an ice cream place. No, I literally never think that. Yes, you do. You mess up. Biggest bonehead decision of your entire life. And now you can just sit and think about that. And later nights, not when you're sleeping, you put your head on your pillow and you're alone.

57:56Ben Mandelker: You're just going to see her face. And then remember that her face isn't actually there with you because you ruined that. And you can think about that every time you go to sleep for the rest of your life.

58:04Ronnie Karam: Isn't that right, Austin? You broke me. One day, you're going to be 60 years old. You're going to look in the mirror. You're going to say, what is my shirt? Say B-E. B-what? then you're going to turn around and it's going to say Tuh on the back. It's going to be there with my literary children laughing at you. Welcome back.

58:24Ben Mandelker: Well, Sally and Austin might be the newest item on Southern Charm, but I always said Craig and Austin are the greatest love story on Bravo. But this season an offhand comment at Whittner's Literary Party had Craig and Austin on different pages.

58:39Ronnie Karam: Oh gosh. So we get the clip of Craig just losing his mind because Austin makes a comment like, yeah, maybe Sally doesn't like shots because they're always in your hot tub, Craig. And Craig's like, and like loses his mind while dressed like a lost boy.

58:56Ronnie Karam: Well, Craig accused you of having FOMO and you were jealous of him being single. Do you have FOMO? And Austin's like, no, no FOMO. Okay, no FOMO to HOMO. Well, sometimes HOMO. When I'm with Ron, I'm HOMO. That dick loves

59:10Ben Mandelker: the HOMO. So Sally's like, Well, I don't know how anyone could say that because Austin could have come to the hot tub anytime he wanted. That's why I was always like, you get in the hot tub, Austin.

59:23Ronnie Karam: But he didn't come to the hot tub because he had a girlfriend. That was the point. Yeah, but she wouldn't have cared. Like, it wasn't like we were having an orgy or something.

59:31Ben Mandelker: Then why didn't you come to the hot tub? Because I was having an orgy, Craig.

59:35Ronnie Karam: Are you not listening? Oh, sorry. Sorry. I'm trying to be respectful of Audrey right now. Trying to be respectful.

59:42Ben Mandelker: Craig is just desperate for people to come over and use his facilities. He like gets up. But then no one wants to go over and like play with his toys. And so he lashes out. He's like, don't you want to see my bees? Don't you want to see my underperforming pina colada machine? Don't you want to see my hot tub? And everyone's like, no. We're like, this isn't like as cool for us as it is for you. Yeah.

1:00:03Ronnie Karam: But why? Look at everything my dad got me. You know, it's like that kind of vibes when you're a kid. and then when he fights with anybody he can be like you came to my hot tub yeah i let you in

1:00:16Ben Mandelker: leverage that's another reason why they don't go in the first place like we because in the moment that there's an issue it's like but you use my suntan shelf in the pool i didn't have fun oh craig okay i don't give a shit about your hot tub why wasn't it like an orgy though by the way can we go back to that why wasn't shep in the hot tub either and shep was like i was there

1:00:37Ronnie Karam: I'm just no longer sexually you know sexually viable in this group but I was there they just don't mention me

1:00:47Ben Mandelker: Craig's like he was always there this might shock people but Sally and I have never been in the hot tub by ourselves ever and I think people think that we were in the hot tub alone I'm like I guarantee people literally don't care enough to know who was in the hot tub when it's not something we could be ponder all day

1:01:05Ronnie Karam: every day and andy says yeah i think you made that clear though and he goes yeah but then why are people so confused that we didn't hook up just because we were in hot time till four in the morning craig it's like yeah but people were confused that no one was hooking up so craig is still misunderstanding this whole thing people aren't mad at you because you led sally on i don't think anybody in the audience is like wow craig really led sally on and then dumped her the reason people were against you was because sally said she liked you and instead of just being like oh I'm sorry, this isn't going to work out.

1:01:37Ronnie Karam: And just like being sensitive, you were like, no, this isn't going to work out. And then went to the group of the entire cast of men in the show. And we're like, oh my God, you guys, Sally's fucking insane. She's like a tornado. She's not to be trusted and acted like she did something wrong to you. That was the problem. It's not that everyone thought you fucked and ditched her. Like he just never gets it, you know?

1:01:58Ben Mandelker: Yeah. So Andy's like, show of hands, who thinks Austin has FOMO? And Craig's the only one who raises his hand. And Whitner's like, crickets. crickets so andy's like last season awesome you felt like craig wanted to stay home and hide out but here he was ready to go out so you had to so you had so you had to feel kind of good about that right like now he wants to go out it's it's what you were asking about so why are you so upset it's like well because it turns out it's quick craig's like but you were like the fact that you were hanging out with girls in your hot tub is bullshit like no i thought it was look i thought i was doing gentle ribbing.

1:02:32Ben Mandelker: It was gentle, gentle ribbing. And it was a poke. That's all. It's just a poke. Yeah. But poking someone until they break down is called manipulation. I was like, oh, okay. Like Craig is clearly asked, what do you call poking people until they break down to chat GPT? And they're like, well, that's a great question. Some might say that's called pestering. Would you call it manipulation? Hmm. I could see it being called manipulation. Great. Thank you

1:02:58Ronnie Karam: so much that's all i need defense rests yeah um so it's like the point i was trying to get across was you know we're trying to talk about a bunch of stuff and then he brings up the alcoholism thing and um he's like but i was being vulnerable yeah and i was freaking out because it's being thrown in my face so this this whole craig thing you were using that you were using that to manipulate so stop it were you pretending you weren't you never stopped drinking you were even drunk when you said

1:03:28Ben Mandelker: it yeah yeah exactly um so this poking and poking and poking the manipulate by the way craig is the biggest manipulator and it's a manipulation that he accuses someone else of being a manipulator

1:03:40Ronnie Karam: it's like a manipulation yes you know um so let's see um we're talking basically says yeah

1:03:48Ben Mandelker: yeah austin's saying like i never know which version you're of craig is in shop is it going to be like the fun craig is gonna be like a fun smiling craiggy or is it gonna be the craig that we saw that night, you know? And then Andy's like, well, Austin, you had a bigger issue with Craig and that's been on, that's been on your mind. So it's about the whole addiction thing that surfaced at the end of last season. And Andy says, you accused him of manipulating that conversation. What did you mean by that? So Austin's like, he basically says, look, when we sat down on the beach, you know, there's a lot of stuff that I was trying to get across about how I was feeling.

1:04:22Ben Mandelker: We're going to like clear the air. And Craig essentially was like, well, look, I have an addiction. I have a drinking issue and I'm just trying to focus on that. So awesome tabled everything because this was such a big admission for Craig and it was a vulnerable admission. And it was really very like, it was important that I kind of made everything seem small. I think is essentially what awesome was saying. And I was just so happy that Craig was opening up to me that like, I felt like that's what we should just like focus on. So essentially what he's saying is I had all these issues and Craig basically put the kibosh on them by dropping this thing that felt like a very vulnerable and bonding thing at that moment.

1:05:02Ben Mandelker: But then come to find out, you know, actually like he's still drinking and like just now in retrospect, it feels like a manipulation.

1:05:10Ronnie Karam: Well, not only that, it's like it's this whole thing on camera and Craig dropping that on camera knows it's a stopper. Because if Austin starts arguing with him while he just said, I'm an addict, then Austin would be completely ripped apart for that. And it was Craig manipulating the situation. And as proof, he's like, and what? Yes. And as proof, what you guys didn't see was right after that, he was walking up to the crew being like, oh, my God, did you guys cry? Like, wasn't that good? Were you guys like crying at that moment? Craig, like he just shot a movie scene. He's like, whoa, nailed it.

1:05:43Ronnie Karam: Did you guys cry? Like how many tears are there? Raise your hands. Thanks you guys. Thanks. Thanks. I'd like to thank craft services, my agent, Jack. Thank you, Jack.

1:05:54Ben Mandelker: I only said that because I was so vulnerable and freaking out about embarrassing, freaking out about how embarrassing it was that it would be like, I was worried it'd be thrown in my face. I love, by the way, this is like the new thing on Bravo is to take a victory lap because you were vulnerable. I think it's great when people are vulnerable, but like you don't win an award for it. I'm sorry. But it's on these shows you do.

1:06:16Ronnie Karam: They always congratulate themselves. Like, oh my God, I was so vulnerable. How could you do this to me?

1:06:22Ben Mandelker: Wasn't I so vulnerable? It's awesome. It's like, well, we moved on from that. And the drinking was still taking place. And I'm not the, look, I'm not the drinking police. I don't care if Craig drinks, I promise you. But I was like, how are you going to say this to me? And like, now here we are, right? And so it's basically like, you played the card, but then you act like you never played the card.

1:06:43Ronnie Karam: yeah you played the card to get out of something in the moment but you were never intending to actually do anything about being an addict and i don't even think you believe you're an addict you fucking weirdo and craig's like but it was a year later yeah but craig when you say you're an addict and you're worried about your drinking that means you're an addict and you have a drinking problem like you don't get to just pretend it never happened because it's a year later you

1:07:04Ben Mandelker: it's more like he's allowed to he's allowed to not take care of it like that's his right he's going to decide what path is best for himself. But when he uses that card to basically shut down conversation to be like, hey, give me a break because I'm working on this thing. And then he goes back to like, oh, you weren't really like the sincerity of it is in question. Were you really working on it? Or were you just saying that to shut up Austin from lodging serious issues he has with you?

1:07:28Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And Rod's like, well, girlfriend, you did call me right after dinner to let me know that Austin was really out of line. And he's like, sorry, I can't see the next line because I'm rolling my eyes. But Shep's like, well, he was wrongheaded because he was being completely naked and vulnerable. And I see what Austin's saying, but there were other arguments Austin could have employed. On reality TV, you're not supposed to interrupt vulnerable people. I'm Shep. I've learned things. Gosh.

1:07:59Ben Mandelker: Well, I was surprised by the level of acrimony. you said you hate Craig. Gosh, my jaw was on the damn table. And that was just while I was

1:08:08Ronnie Karam: chewing. Sorry, Ben.

1:08:12Ben Mandelker: As they say in Cuba, my jaw was on the tablecito. So Andy is like, Espanol! Do you hate Craig? And I honestly thought Austin would be like, no, I was just mad. He goes, yeah, sometimes I do hate Craig. And it felt really good just to say it. And I wanted to see if you would hit it, if it would hit you or affect you or if you just want to change in any sort of way. He's actually kind of like talking. It's like very melodramatic if you think about it. I mean, how many of these shows have we seen where the lady's like, I just want to get a reaction out of you and you don't even respond to me. I'm leaving you, Sal.

1:08:46Ben Mandelker: But it's Austin instead saying it.

1:08:49Ronnie Karam: Well, it had the opposite effect because I said clearly this isn't a friendship anymore. So to me, if you say, hey, that's the end. Yeah, but saying I hate you is not to say, you know, it's not saying the shit you said to me, Craig, which is unforgivable shit if you ask me i mean wow you haven't built anything your life isn't the same as it was five years ago you haven't done shit you're a loser i was like yeah but that's it is mean it's true but it's also true like what you're saying about craig is true but what craig is saying about you is also true like you're both kind of losers and stuff's like yeah that wasn't

1:09:22Ben Mandelker: a friend go ahead ben i'm sorry karsh thank you i just was gonna advocate on behalf of on behalf of Austin here a little bit, which is that Craig may have been right, but it was a dick thing that he was throwing in Austin's face, because I'm sure Austin's probably pretty aware of his own static position in life. So yeah, of course Austin was going to get mad after that. Of course, thank you. I'm Garce Gray.

1:09:43Ronnie Karam: Well, you don't give a fuck about me, Craig. You just want to say nasty things, and you know they're skating, and you know I've got a boiling point, and I cannot do this. It's a circle of bullshit, okay? Maybe we just need to quit now. We just need to quit it now.

1:09:57Ben Mandelker: Greg just want you to know I have such a boner with you guys fighting like this Do you stand by Austin That Austin has nothing to show for the last Five years and Craig's like no It was retaliatory which I'm allowed To do but Austin's not allowed to We were just arguing at the table

1:10:13Ronnie Karam: Do you want to apologize Yeah okay I'm sorry For that but I was mad that he kept Attacking me and had a problem with everything I did Jeff's like gosh Craig It's so hard for you to say I'm sorry Trying to get an apology out of you

1:10:28Ben Mandelker: Is like trying to talk to a brick wall Which I actually do try to do every now and then Because I really hit on everything in Austin So now I'm just at walls Just making out with walls

1:10:37Ronnie Karam: Well I disagree and you can't knock me down Because Mortar is holding me together

1:10:43Ben Mandelker: Well what does Charlie think about this Well after Wits party I was proud of Craig For how he apologized What? What apology? I apologize right after. They just didn't air it. I sat you down and apologized. Which, by the way, is funny because when we see the clip, there's no sitting down. It's all standing.

1:11:02Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but Craig doesn't watch it. So he's like, they must have cut the clip. Because I was like, well, how do you know if you don't watch it? But I guess he's thinking that they must have cut it. And Wittner goes, wild claim. Wild. And so we see the unseen footage of Craig saying, at the end of the day, oh, so I guess it was unseen. I feel like I did see this, but whatever. He's like, at the end of the day, poor people are poor and that's why they're poor. And I shouldn't have said the stuff. And I'm sorry, but like, you just triggered me.

1:11:31Ben Mandelker: Not a good apology. Yeah. I don't know what Charlie's even talking about. I feel like she didn't even see this. I think that probably Craig reported back a conversation. Yeah. So she's saying I'm proud.

1:11:40Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I'm proud of Craig for apologizing because he said he did, but he didn't really.

1:11:44Ben Mandelker: But like, this is not like it. Like Craig went off on Austin. Austin was, to be fair, Austin was making little digs all night. And he's like, I was just ribbing. And there were digs. There were passive aggressive digs. There's underlying tension between these two guys. Fine. Craig, but Craig was really mean when he popped off and Craig thinks it's okay. Cause he said this half ass. It's not even half ass. That's a quarter ass. I'm gonna say it's a fifth ass apology where he's like, well, I shouldn't have said it, but you triggered me. So presently Shep is like, of course you always say that, but you did trigger me, but you did trigger me.

1:12:16Ben Mandelker: And Whitney Whitner's like, anything before doesn't count once you say, but. And so then Craig's like, how many more times are you going to attack me when we're filming? I'm like, oh, gosh.

1:12:27Ronnie Karam: You were the attacker. And Austin's like, well, I would never say that kind of shit when my back was against the wall. I mean, everyone here has a traumatizing story with Craig. There. Every single person. Not outside of filming. I mean, put me in a pressure cooker long enough and something's going to happen. What are you talking about, Craig? You yelled at Sally outside of filming. She cried. by the way i like craig's justification like you may be traumatized by me but it happened during

1:12:54Ben Mandelker: filming so it's okay yeah i never traumatized you outside of filming only on camera which is better

1:13:00Ronnie Karam: yeah i didn't yell at sally well according to sally and charlie you screamed at her yeah yelled at me off camera in front of my mother okay guys that's enough like yeah everyone

1:13:12Ben Mandelker: Everyone is like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't yell at her. You made her cry. Craig is like, listen, that's different than yelling. I think we can all agree making a girl cry is totally acceptable if you don't yell at her in the process.

1:13:25Ronnie Karam: So he's not winning. Everybody's like, no, Craig. You literally yelled at her and made her cry in front of her mother, period. And he's like, okay, so then you want to know how many bad moments everyone here has? Oh, okay. Now it's everyone, but everybody does it. I'm loving this, that the cast is like holding Craig's feet to the fire because he cannot get himself out of one of these. Yeah.

1:13:47Ben Mandelker: And, you know, in the past seasons, and I think particularly was it last year, like this has happened before where there's like, hey, but Craig, you get really scary. But it usually seems to be contained to Shep and Austin. And here it really is. The whole cast is like, you are scary and you are mean to us. And Andy's like, well, you're saying you never yell at them except if they're on camera. And they're all saying that that's not a representation. And Craig's like, so now he's like sad and looking down. So Andy is, he's just like reminders from, of him say when Whitney said Austin has a victim complex and Craig is a narcissist.

1:14:24Ben Mandelker: I'm sorry. When Widner said this and that Austin has an act and Austin has a victim complex and Craig is a narcissist. It was like, wow, you just summarized their entire friendship in one sentence. Okay. hey, Wittner, how are you able to wrap your head around that relationship so quickly?

1:14:42Ronnie Karam: I have eyes and ears. Okay, Craig, did Witt sum it up? He's like, no, because narcissists are people who don't have empathy. My therapist told me when I said, am I a narcissist? And she said, dong, no, narcissists do not have empathy. And literally as an empath, it would be impossible for me to be a narcissist. I do a lot of things wrong but I'm far from being a narcissist you are a narcissist if you're asking chat GPT if you're a narcissist you're a narcissist non-narcissists don't have to ask Craig

1:15:16Ben Mandelker: I feel like the most narcissistic thing you can do is declare yourself an empath for other people to say that you're an empath yes so many narcissists on Bravo

1:15:28Ronnie Karam: claim to be empaths and Witt's like well I'm only going off what I see you scream at people in the bar And he's like, well, it's your first season. Wait, you don't know anything about this world. I thought that you guys were friends like long before this. Liars, you bunch of liars.

1:15:43Ben Mandelker: And also like, again, what a condescending and arrogant thing to say. I mean, this guy, Wittner is, I get the sense that he's a bit more accomplished and successful than Craig is. And I'm actually a little upset that Wittner did not sort of snap back or defend himself and explain. Like just as Craig has given himself the right to hear Austin's story about Audrey and driving up and back and forth from Charlotte and then therefore analyze the situation with analysis spray and to be able to determine that Austin is not whatever. Whatever Austin he felt about Austin and Audrey, Wittner is equally entitled to look at you and how you behave and the things you say and do and make other people cry and make a declaration of the fact that you are, in fact, a narcissist.

1:16:27Ronnie Karam: Yeah, it's literally your job to comment on everybody's stuff on these shows. They ask you. He was literally asked by Andy right now. And also, you don't have to know about being on reality TV. You're screaming at women in their faces, period. Like, it doesn't matter if you're on a reality show, you loser. So Andy asks Austin if Craig is a narcissist. And they're like, yeah, duh. This is crazy. That's what a textbook narcissist would say.

1:16:56Ben Mandelker: that's the most insulting thing you don't think i'm empathetic shut up whitner you just got here so like i was saying i'm not empathetic and it's like it's really mean to say that about someone calling someone a narcissist means that they're incapable of showing empathy and everything they do is for show and if that's how you believe about me then you shouldn't be friends with me

1:17:18Ronnie Karam: he's not friends with you he said multiple times today that he's not friends with you

1:17:23Ben Mandelker: And they have repeatedly said Everything you do is for show That was like the whole thing this season The last season was that Craig is trying to be Martha Stewart and that he bailed On plans with his best friend to go golfing So that way he could stay home and shoot videos Of him gardening because it would be good For the brand you were literally doing Stuff to be presentational

1:17:44Ronnie Karam: Yeah he's like oh There we go again Craig like oh you're like You shouldn't be friends with me you're a fucking Dickhead well it seems like there's a lot more discussed. We're going to leave it there for right now. Does anyone else want to call Sally a dumb slut before we go? Okay, anybody?

1:17:59Ben Mandelker: I do. I do. Dumb slut. Dumb slut. Dumb slut. Run on these streets.

1:18:03Ronnie Karam: Watch out for the city. We're going to have a Sally Friday night and have a quick five. Okay. Alright, everybody. So, Craig leaves and he's like, this sucks. This is so unfair. And then he stalks off through the hallways bitching to everybody who will listen. He's like, it's so clear it's just pile on craig and i'm just supposed to eat shit i hate being here i don't even know if i'm coming back anymore and he's talking to his producer he's like waving the cameras out of the room like no we're dealing with baby craig now go away craig who uh has just

1:18:36Ben Mandelker: spent the past 20 minutes of the reunion saying he doesn't yell at anyone doesn't have tantrums and he's an empath and like he's being accused of being this terror has now gone off backstage and ranted and raved to all the producers.

1:18:47Ronnie Karam: So who knows? How he's going to take his toys and go home. What a lose. So funny. Well, it was very funny. Yeah. It was very satisfying watching them just hand it to Craig and not fall for his bullshit again. It was so fucking nice to watch Craig just go back and throw a Vicki Gumbelson. Loved it.

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