#3269 Southern Hospitality S4E03: And The Emmy Goes To…

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4:02Ronnie Karam: even being funny it hurts as a viewer but it also hurts as an american that we can't actually do and support good things. You know, we come together to support horrible, stupid, dangerous things. Like what's happening in this country. Everyone's fine coming together for evil, but you guys cannot come together to support good. This show is evil good. It's evil enough to support. And I just loved it. And it just makes me look around at my fellow Americans and think, who are we? Who are we?

4:34Ben Mandelker: Yeah. And like, is our recommendation not enough? because I know there are a lot of people listening who are like, oh my God, yes, I really want to start Miami. I really want to start Miami. And now look what's happened. You can still start it, but you're also unfortunately going to end it. Like you're going to get to the end of it and that's the end. When we recommend something highly, I'm going to have to say this right now. I'm going to need you to take it seriously when we recommend something highly because they'll take it away from us. So you cannot sleep on these shows. There's scarcity here.

5:09Ben Mandelker: And when I say we, it's not just the two of us. It's the people on Twitter. It's the people, our other fellow podcasters. If we are saying this show is amazing and people are saying, if you're saying to yourself, oh my God, I hear that Miami's amazing. I've got to start that. I'm just going to start that as soon as I finish this season of Beverly Hills. I'm just going to start it as soon as I finish this season of Roni. No, start it right away. hey, listen to us, because now it's gone. It's gone.

5:39Ronnie Karam: It's over, and he did it to us.

5:42Ben Mandelker: We have to support the show. We have to support the arts. We have to support the arts. The arts are under attack in America, okay?

5:49Ronnie Karam: Everybody is so mad at Timothee Chalamet right now for his comments on ballet and opera, and they're like, you guys, he doesn't understand art, and he doesn't support art, and that's how I feel. I feel like you guys don't, not you guys who are listening, I just mean America. Understand culture, guys. Miami was it but it's dead so you know what whatever I don't even care if the reboot whatever I don't care because I need the cast back that's there now I don't need a reboot of that I don't need a reboot in I don't need it I don't need a break I need it happening now so you know what we don't always get what we want that's it you know what no it was a fully functional that's it

6:28Ben Mandelker: it was a fully functional, highly functional show. It was a show that to me had a better season last year than even Salt Lake City. I, I really firmly believe that I absolutely loved this last season. I think the cast is pitch perfect. I don't, I wouldn't change a single person on the cast. I don't, I think it was just wonderful, pure television. And I, well, Well, my only hope is that people who've never watched it just go to Peacock and just start watching it. And then let's see like a surge of numbers at Peacock to watch Miami. And let's see. Let's put some consumer oomph behind this show. So Bravo unpresses the pause button and brings it back.

7:15Ben Mandelker: And let's just make this a temporary blip because I think we can still change this. I think we can change the course. I think we've seen this happen before. It happened with Twin Peaks. Twin Peaks got its second or third season because of the fans. We can do it. And if there's any show that has peaks, if there's any show that has peaks, and by peaks I mean boobies, it's Real Housewives of Miami. So let's do this.

7:36Ronnie Karam: Yeah. We actually had a comment on YouTube this week that was like, I can't find it now, of course. But no, I don't want unresponded. I want all comments. I have to read it because it's like really important. And I think especially today, and I think we need to take it to heart. It said something like, guys, Jesus is coming. And you need to pay attention. Something like, you guys need to find the Lord. Because this is getting ridiculous. And I just said, okay. But guys, I'm telling you, we were just told on YouTube, the end is near. Support what's important.

8:21Ben Mandelker: The end has happened. They put Miami on pause. The end has happened. Okay.

8:26Ronnie Karam: It already happened. It's in the Bible. I will say. Adriana, Alexia, Marisol, and Gertie.

8:35Ben Mandelker: That being said, the expression of mourning on social media is pretty hilarious. The number of things going around saying Adriana, Alexia, Marisol, they're all unemployed while gina and emily get an eighth season i'm like well there's good news on that because at least gina

8:55Ronnie Karam: and emily didn't get asked to do the real the real girls trip or whatever that they were just doing that's so fun it's an article this week that's like even after eight seasons they were they were like the only two people not asked to be part of that girls trip where they literally asked everybody they were like hey get jill's aaron's cleaning lady years ago you know

9:16Ben Mandelker: I mean, I actually genuinely feel bad for them for that because the truth is they have put in eight seasons. And so like that is really shitty that you are a senior member now of Bravo and you're not getting invited to these things. That actually genuinely sucks. And as much as I don't necessarily need them back on Orange County, my heart does kind of break for them a little bit in the sense that like you put in all this time. and Bravo still is like, whatever. But that's what you get when you're producer plant.

9:49Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I do not love that just for the record. I feel joyful.

9:53Ben Mandelker: All right, so let's get into this. I'm joyful as a viewer. Listen, Ronnie, I'm an empath, and I've recently sprayed myself with a spray from a Nashville magician, so just bear with me here.

10:04Ronnie Karam: I have empath spray from a magician in Nashville. Yeah, but the point is, bravo did give multiple chances to southern hospitality and that could have been dumped

10:16Ben Mandelker: so you know we got to count our summer house summer house they they stuck in they stuck it out with summer house and it blossomed um no that's why i'm actually like i'm not being super mean to bravo i mean it's it's frustrating we get surviving mormonism we get that roni reboot but like miami is the victim here that being said i think we have to kind of really look at ourselves i think we have to like not be complacent about these shows they are not going to be around forever if there is a show that everyone is saying is great you have to support it you just do okay

10:50Ronnie Karam: southern hospitality season four episode three and olive branch serve dirty

11:00Ronnie Karam: so mia is the narrator today and she's like when i was getting my heart broken in my in hawaii All hell was breaking loose in Charleston. So we get like the previously's of what happened. And we're still at Folly Beach at the, I don't know, relationship anniversary of Bradley and that lady. Bradley and that lady.

11:24Ben Mandelker: That lady. That lady is blonde and toxic sometimes.

11:29Ronnie Karam: But I don't know well enough to learn her name. And Emmy has arrived. and Maddie's arrived and made up with a lot of people and Emmy has not. Emmy's just like tweaking out in the corner like, well, if anyone's gonna talk to me. She's kind of twitching over there in the corner and staring at everybody. And Joe's checking in on Maddie because she's just had a confrontation. And she's like, yeah, I'm good, Joe. I'm good, Joe. Get the fuck away from me, Joe. And TJ comes up and he's like, are you good, Mia? And she's like, yeah, yeah, it was good. It was fine. Everything's patched up, guys. And she says, yeah, you know, she thought something happened, but she threw my poster down.

12:08Ronnie Karam: And I'm like, why couldn't you? I could beat you up right now for that. You threw my poster down.

12:14Ben Mandelker: And TJ's like, yeah, you got a swing. I felt it. She's like, yeah, exactly. The swing. And Justin is like, wait, you swung on TJ? Yeah. No way. Are you kidding me? You're a bit of a spark plug, aren't you? I'm like, you spark out. Spark out. Ken just shows up.

12:31Ronnie Karam: I hate that scuzzy guys are like now, like these scuzzy only fans, dudes are coming on here and pretending they're like in West side story. Like who talks like this? I know you're a bit of a spark plug. Gotcha. Not your toots.

12:45Ben Mandelker: It's just Jen Fessler. Well, you know, Justin is like, he's, I appreciate that he is, he's got a pulse. Unlike that guy, Austin last year, who was like the, the supposed hot guy that was like the newbie. And he just sort of sat there with eyes bulging and scared and like said, did like two things all season. So this guy's definitely like,

13:05Ronnie Karam: wait a minute. That guy had a mullet and he lifted logs. Don't think he didn't do anything.

13:11Ben Mandelker: That's right. But, um, uh, so Justin's definitely like, he's like a, you know, made for TV and he's like active and he's energetic, but he also feels like he feels like a, he feels like a paint by numbers. Fuck boy. Almost like it's not, he might not even be a fuckboy he just is like oh they need a fuckboy i am gonna play the role of a fuckboy i'm gonna say the fuckboy things i'm gonna have like really kind of like like on the nose skeezy interviews it's just like he went to chat gpt and asked for like the bullet points of what he should be doing just sort of doing it like it almost feels fake to me it's just like this guy who came on is like well they need this this role to be filled and here i am

13:52Ronnie Karam: yeah you know we've talked a lot about only fans over the years um because during the pandemic i remember that's when only fans became like really a thing like i guess a mainstream thing is that's what i remember anyway to the point where there were people in the carpool line there was like a mother in the carpool line at my kid's school where she had like her only fans qr code on the back on the back of her car in the drive-thru so or in the drop-off section so that the dads would go to her only fans and we've talked about it over the years about how at first it was like a great way to make money because not everybody was on it you know and so people would be like oh that that mom down the street is on OnlyFans oh I'm gonna go look at that you know there was like money in it and then it became something that everybody does and you just have to work so hard to get anybody to jerk off to you nowadays it's like because there's so many there's so many like mediocre options out there you really have to work it's like carry your card around and you know give it away and that's how he feels to me like he's working really really hard to get people to his OnlyFans and he's doing this show and then he's coming on and he's like well I'm 30 % gay which sounded weird you know because we were like well who said I don't know I'm not used to fuck boys on these shows saying stuff like that because usually they're like whoa whoa no homo bro no homo but um I thought it was a little odd but then someone sent us his OnlyFans page and I was like oh that makes sense he's just trying to make that money you know so he's trying to like kind of queer bait while he's doing it.

15:20Ronnie Karam: And I just, you know, my heart goes out to OnlyFans people, because that's just a lot of work. You know, you could run for mayor with less effort.

15:29Ben Mandelker: I love you, Ronnie. That was the funniest little monologue. It was. But don't you think?

15:34Ronnie Karam: Like, they work so hard. And we've met so many OnlyFans people, and they are like literally out there shaking hands like, hey, hey, hey, I'm on OnlyFans. You know, like they work so hard. And I'm just like, oh my God, isn't it easy to just learn to

15:47Ben Mandelker: do taxes at some point i just loved everything about that model like i really did i just was i was thinking i was like this is so funny um i think he's just working hard so he's like yeah

16:00Ronnie Karam: i've had a bit of a crush on mia since i met her a few months ago because i love good banter and also she's the lead on a tv show that you want to be on so he's trying to form there's that too

16:11Ben Mandelker: and he's being he's being flirtatious and then she's like i'm nasty and he tells us yeah she's got a great set of personalities and he's like boobs because remember boobs are personality so he says i'm not i'm not much of a homewrecker but if the opportunity presents itself i'd wreck the shit out of that home and that's when i was like you're you're just a hired actor you were brought in off the street and they just fed you some lines you may not even be a human you're just an ai thing they grafted onto the show and like they were the entire time they were talking to like like a broom that was hoisted up with eyeballs on it and then they just put this guy in and boasts

16:49Ronnie Karam: yeah and bravo's pretty good with lovable pigs you know which is how southern charm has made it so long those guys are all douchebags and misogynists but there's like something charming about them that's yeah you can't just be trunks you know this guy's just straight up gross um so uh the producer is asking oh i'm poor jordan by the way this girl who's like standing behind the bar all day. She doesn't get to move around or talk to it's like, she's in a little box and she's like, got so much rouge on. I mean, just poor thing. It's just so over rouged. And I just feel for her. That's the one I feel for Jordan.

17:24Ben Mandelker: Yeah. And she doesn't even really get to be part of the show. So the producer says, Justin, aren't you currently dating Jordan? And he goes, no, you know what? I'm never, I'm just, I've never been like a big label guy. So I just, I don't know. I'm just taking it day by day. And he's smiling so broadly. And I think that like one of the fun parts about having fuck boys on these shows is that they always, the real ones always, I think they think they're pulling one over on the audience and they almost believe their own shit. But this guy's just smiling so broadly. He's like winking at the audience.

17:55Ben Mandelker: Like we know I'm a fuck boy, you know, and I know, and that's no fun. The fun is when they think that they're conning us and we're like, no, we're onto you. So he's just a little too wink, wink. Like, it's just a little not fun, you know? It's like, bro, it's like, calm, settle down. Just be yourself.

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20:39Ronnie Karam: So then we go over to Joe, who's looking at this house that they rented, and he's like, you know, I really like houses like this for parties. I really like this open floor plan. I'm being serious. I'm being serious. You know what? It looks like Bali. It doesn't even look like we're in Charleston anymore. It looks like Bali.

20:56Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Wow. Thanks for the insight, Joe. And also thank you for clarifying that you're being serious, because I thought for a moment you were making an outrageous joke. He's like, just kidding. I don't like houses like this for a part. I don't want to be in a mansion. Bali, you heard of it? Yeah. It's like Bali. Big serious. I like the overflow of that. I love that he decided to whoever he was talking to, that he decided they're in this gorgeous mansion, like a beautiful mansion, and that he decided to weigh in that it was approved. He just met the standards of Joe Bradley. I'm really glad. The open concept especially, chef's kiss.

21:33Ronnie Karam: so Bella who's Bella again we're supposed to know her but I don't

21:37Ben Mandelker: just Bella Hadid Bella Hadid just wandered in confused and drunk

21:42Ronnie Karam: she's like I got permission to eat half an almond anybody anybody hurry my mom's right outside

21:47Ben Mandelker: who is Bella Hadid in this world yeah Bella who is an unnamed lady in the mix here is like the ambience in here when you have sex it would just like match it that much better would make it that much better would it not would it not and then tj goes well i don't know i haven't had sex in like 15 months and michael's like oh my god and he just walks away um okay

22:15Ronnie Karam: sorry i was allergic to attack people it's me right slowly i know that we had our differences and stuff and molly's like yeah well you seem more peaceful by the way she seems like completely hopped up on lsd like she's tripping balls grace lily is i don't know what she got in trouble for because all of the um reports about her drug use have just said that she had happy pills so i don't know what that means i don't know if it's molly i don't know lsd didn't she was lsd that's the best one by the way kids if you're gonna do she was arrested that's the one because grace lily was

22:50Ben Mandelker: arrested over the over sometime over the past week right uh i think on charges yeah which is actually very sad um not to make what you were saying sad but like it's just sad for her but

23:01Ronnie Karam: you know for us we will yeah i hate when people are caught always so she's like um yeah thank you you know i'm just struggling with like the self-conscious and like now i'm just more of a at a peaceful mindset you know because it has to do with like my tribal past and my roots and my ancestors.

23:26Ben Mandelker: Great. Molly's like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That makes no sense. Maddie's like, I feel good today, but I'm like concerned about being here, but like, I'm glad I'm here. Does anyone know if there's an HDMI hookup somewhere so I can put my PowerPoint on the TV to prove TJ that we are actually friends? And TJ's like, yeah, I was like a little bit concerned too. Hey, since we're in this beautiful open concept mansion, do you want to talk a little bit? Yeah, absolutely. I'm down. Okay, let's sit down

23:55Ronnie Karam: I'm gonna sit down They go sit And he's like Well, first I want to apologize For knowing facts That weren't shared Because this is like Stemming from that group chat Okay And I can't imagine What that has done to you And like What you've gone through And I sympathize for that Okay I sympathize But he's giving her those evil You can see It's like evil little gay eyes I don't know how to explain them Except to say They're evil little gay They're very intense

24:18Ben Mandelker: Yeah You want the vacuumer face

24:24Ronnie Karam: thank you for that because like you know like i have like bad deja vu and ptsd really you should hear what my ancestors had to say back shut up grace lily shut up over there okay fucking talking patchouli stick not talking to you i'm trying to forgive myself and to forgive everyone because i

24:41Ben Mandelker: don't want to live in this energy anymore yeah it's not healthy sort of like the amount of stupid you have in your brain. Sorry, I can't help myself. Well, it's just not healthy. It's not. And it's like, it's eating me alive. It's not. It's like, Joe, I'm being eaten alive. So Maddie says, it's nice to hear some accountability from TJ. And my PowerPoint did remind me that we were friends. So thank you very much, PowerPoint. And I really appreciate the conversation like this because I get to move on and I get to feel like I could maybe get closer to you. It's like, okay.

25:11Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So she's like, okay, you know, okay, I'm sorry too. And now let's just be friends and i'm sorry i blew up at your party and stuff and he's like well at least it was at the end so that was good you told everybody i was going to give them food poisoning but by that time they had already eaten the cheater dog so i didn't really care yeah and i had those bad cocktail wieners at the bar shut up joe not your scene my ancestor is a cocktail wiener shut Grace Lily. So pizza arrives. Pizza comes, yeah. And Emmy's like, oh my God, you guys are so heavy. Emmy, you are working out every day on Instagram.

25:49Ronnie Karam: That's all you do. She's like lifting cars on Instagram. She's like, oh, this pizza. Oh my God, I'm dying to you guys.

25:55Ben Mandelker: This pizza makes me feel unsafe. So Maddie's like.

25:59Ronnie Karam: This pizza is stalking me.

26:02Ben Mandelker: I've never had such aggressive pizza before. So Maddie is like.

26:06Ronnie Karam: There's a car outside. There's a car outside. It's staring at me. It's coming my way. It's coming my way. Oh, my God. It's offering me sausage. Oh, my God. It's pizza. Just fucking answer the door.

26:17Ben Mandelker: Why is it always the big pizza that has so many problems? Right, guys?

26:25Ben Mandelker: The pizza's like, I come from Will's mistress. Shut up. You don't know. You don't know. There was never any proof pizza.

26:34Ronnie Karam: Well, there's not a day that goes by where I don't think about how one of my closest friends called me a predator on a podcast. The podcaster asked Emily, Nick Files like, hello, can someone use my name? The podcaster asked Emily, Emmy, if she thought that Joe was blacked out drunk and I was the one making the moves when he was sleeping. And then she sat there and said, oh my God, I never thought about it that way. And I'm not over that. I'm not over it. Well, it was pretty low.

26:58Ben Mandelker: Jesus. Oh yeah, that's really bad. That's really, I mean, it's like, well, what else do you expect? So Maddie is like -

27:05Ronnie Karam: Especially when it's on the show that it was the other way around because on the show joe copped to it he was like hey i know that we have you know that problem when we were drunk and then i touched you that's what was said on the show so the fact that emmy knows that and then she's going and letting someone spin it into like oh the predator gay guys raping you know drunk guys which by the way she doubles down on in

27:29Ben Mandelker: about 20 minutes yeah i mean it's i mean seven is not a good season for emmy so far um so maddie

27:37Ronnie Karam: an Emmy for it because it's amazing.

27:39Ben Mandelker: Well, guess what? I named the episode and the Emmy goes to dot, dot, dot. I did. So Maddie is like,

27:51Ben Mandelker: we're really smart over here. Maddie is like, okay, I can understand that. And I feel like that's a conversation you need to have with Emmy. And he's like, yeah. So then everyone starts eating their pizza and everything. And that's what I love about these shows. These shows with the young kids who were just excited to get a, be on Bravo because it was real housewives. You would never see this much pizza being eaten on camera. So Joe is like, Hey, I've seen Maddie Smogled, the OTJ, something, something I haven't seen in a long time, but it makes me happy. Almost as happy as this open concept in this house.

28:23Ben Mandelker: I really think it looks, it's like, I'm, I feel like I'm in Indonesia. It's like, wow. Did I bring my passport? Can I get back?

28:29Ronnie Karam: I'm serious right now. I'm serious right now. This is, seriously.

28:33Ben Mandelker: I'm not even joking. This is, it's like, could possibly be malaysia but i'm gonna go with indonesia

28:42Ronnie Karam: it's a mantra oh so they're congratulating uh grace lee's like oh my god brad congratulations on one year happy one year it's or as my ancestors call it happy anniversary and he's like thank you grace uh keep giving me all the good vibes okay and lake tells us you know brad's timeline is like a little weird because like was he not making out with me one year ago throw the clip up there yeah we're making out like the timeline's a little freaky i'm like i'm like

29:27Ronnie Karam: i've really gotten into like now that i'm used to her like just stoner energy I am loving Lake. I love that Lake is always like one foot out, one foot in like a hot box car. Just like, hey, did he not make out with me, Spiracle? Whoa.

29:45Ben Mandelker: I'm Lake. I like her mom too. I hope they bring her back. So Justin is like, hey, yo, can I make a toast? First and foremost, thanks to Brad and Julia for establishing this house. And then I hope tonight, I don't know what I meant by establishing this house. I don't know what that meant, but whatever. and then i hope tonight everyone can make amends with people that they've had a beef with speaking of beef i'd love to put my beef sausage into someone's lady cave okay um okay we can move forward and we can have a wonderful summer so cheers to everyone here let's have a good time

30:17Ronnie Karam: who would like to be motorboated first okay i hate when the new person is like the toast master it's like in the office when there's a new girl and they're like oh my god you guys Cheers to us for being friends for so long. Like, we're best friends, right? We're all best friends. You all do such a great job in the office. I am so proud to work alongside of you. It's like, you got your attempt. You don't even work here.

30:43Ben Mandelker: Get out of here.

30:44Ronnie Karam: Take your cupcake and go. Okay.

30:47Ben Mandelker: So Emmy says, well, guys, if we actually do squash all of our beef tonight, I'll take a shot. And Justin's like, oh, Emmy breaking sobriety. Woo! And it's only this show where they'd be like, you'd hear that sentence with like a cheer. She's back everybody! Fell off the wagon! So Emmy's like, since I started my wellness journey, I haven't had a drink in over two years. And I'm trying to think, what's the most vulnerable thing I could do to try to get these people to believe what I'm saying and trust me. So I'm like, let's see. I'm like, oh, Bethany Frankel is like sharpening her knife. See, see, she fell off the wagon for the show.

31:21Ben Mandelker: She did it, huh, huh, huh.

31:24Ronnie Karam: How vulnerable can I be? i'm gonna take a shot and somebody's like um as much as i love an audience like i'd probably like actually like to like have a private chat maybe right like could we just like have a maybe like a like a private chat and he's like well i mean i know it's a private thing but i'm not the only one that feels some sort of friction with you so maybe we could just do it all at one time instead of three separate conversations so now 20 people gather around yeah wait wait wait it's an it's

31:51Ben Mandelker: Wait, wait, wait. But, uh, Emi, sorry to interrupt, but it's kind of an open concept, so you really can't, really can't have a private conversation, but that's okay. It's like Bali, so it's like we're on a beach. It's all good. It's all good, Emi.

32:00Ronnie Karam: You know what? I think you guys should have this in the living room. No, I'm sorry, the kitchen. No, you know what? Both, because it's open concept. Bali, you got Bali'd.

32:07Ben Mandelker: I'm totally serious. I'm totally serious. It's a great concept. It's a great house. It's a great house for this. So Emi's like, okay, well, um, I don't know where to begin. I know that a lot of shit went down in February and I know that we all have our own versions of what the truth is But I just hate where we all are. Well, there's a beautiful house. I don't know why you'd hate it here Like Folly Beach. It's a magnificent place. I mean you would Folly or Bali. Am I right guys? Right.

32:29Ronnie Karam: So I'm not being literal Joe Do you acknowledge that you've done anything wrong and she's like, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean I mean To maddie to maddie. I mean, yeah, yeah, I mean to maddie I did and brad's like, um, so between you and me and our friendship maybe do you think you've done anything wrong just um i mean i i i i i trusted you yeah i trusted you like i really thought of you like like it's like so where do you feel like i broke your trust well you you you know like when you didn't believe me last year like when i you know you got into my relationship and you believe that my fiance 100 % cheated on me and there's not like a lick there's not a lick there's not a fucking lick of evidence that he cheated on me and there's not even a fucking picture at the fucking prom.

33:15Ronnie Karam: There's nothing.

33:21Ben Mandelker: I forgot about law prom. Law prom. The law school prom. He took another girl to law school prom

33:31Ronnie Karam: and she stayed at his house.

33:34Ben Mandelker: So Brad's like, in the beginning of all this, I was defending you straight up, but then like the last little bit is the only time I didn't defend you and when I went to like do my own research like that's when I saw things so then like we went to New York and you were on stage you were saying like oh I hope to get to a better place with TJ and Brad and then 30 minutes later we went up to Molly's room and I hear you on the phone as completely backpedaling off everything you said so then that's when I started to really feel some sort of type of way towards you and then after that like going and telling someone that I'm unsafe that really broke me because you have that kind of relationship that you know what kind of relationship we have and i would never think that brad brad brad brad

34:12Ronnie Karam: brad brad brad brad the text was so aggressive brad and everyone's like oh god it just just pans around the table because everyone was already groaning at the yeah you know stalker

34:25Ben Mandelker: unsafe unsafe was bad oh and it's like using every keyword oh she's like i know you're very eloquent like oh emmy no geez and she's like it was so so aggressive like i don't know why you texted me

34:39Ronnie Karam: that like i mean i did like like truly brad like you're you're like dead to me like you know the fucking voice you're dead to me you know and he's like i literally said back what you said though and she's like what wait why would i say dead to me too like it yeah no she goes no no no no and he goes what why would i say dead to me too you said it to me in the text first i said or you said it to me first in the conversation and i said you're dead to me too and she's like she goes

35:05Ben Mandelker: she goes i did not say you were dead to me it was probably my fiance i'm like okay so will so brad could not tell the difference between will and emmy's voice that makes total

35:15Ronnie Karam: sense and molly's like well i heard it and that came from your mouth and she says yeah my hotel room was directly next to emmy's and we shared a wall and i heard everything so her for her to be like dead to me you didn't hear that girl i heard you blowing your nose at four in the morning like

35:33Ben Mandelker: thanks for waking me up by the way nose blower i'm a very light sleeper turns out so brad is like okay so why did you say that i made you feel unsafe she's like well you were angry and you're angry after after this and then the text that i got you i've never seen such a text like that i've never seen you talk to anyone like that and everyone again everyone's just like oh emmy microaggressions left and right. She's like, are you even in this neighborhood?

35:58Ronnie Karam: Do you belong here? Where are you going? Where are you going right now? Why are you wearing a hoodie? Trying to rob a house? And he's like, well, I was pissed, and that's why I was texting like that. It's like, Brad, Brad, Brad, okay, Brad, look, look, guys, guys, Brad, I mean, you're scary. You're scary. Like, you're scary. Oh, not scary. I know. Every time she says a sentence, everyone's like, oh,

36:20Ben Mandelker: God. It's so bad. you were outside my door

36:25Ronnie Karam: and I was scared I was on the phone with the police

36:29Ben Mandelker: I hate to I don't mean to it's actually a very serious thing because this is the sort of language that gets people arrested, shot, and killed and this is a trauma that people live through especially white women saying these things and it has led to so many terrible things in history but what I'm laughing at is just how like oh you are it's like it's just like one after the other after the other it's like girl it's like it's almost like it's almost like a stereotype it's almost like i'm like is this for real right now it's crazy just one after the other after the other and mia is like the situation obviously

37:07Ronnie Karam: not funny like and you can tell everyone's face is like oh like she just has no idea it's just funny because it's like a total karen not just karening out and baby karen like going even further down the path every time you ask her something. It just gets worse and worse.

37:25Ben Mandelker: She thinks she's clearing things up and she's making it worse and worse. And you're like, girl, come on now. So Mia is like, so you were scared of Bradley Carter being outside.

37:37Ronnie Karam: Okay, come on, come on, come on, Mia. Come on, come on, Mia. I mean, come on.

37:40Ben Mandelker: She's like, here's, so Mia tells us, here's my advice for you. I mean, in this moment, shut up. Stop talking. She doesn't know what her words can do to a black man in a town like this, even if you didn't mean it in a certain way, it can come off a certain way. So Michael's like, okay, before you say something, you can't, like, you can't say that. Say you're, say you're scared because like that can come off as like a microaggression. And she's like, wait, what? Huh? No, wait, no, no. What? Huh? No. I didn't mean that.

38:08Ronnie Karam: I didn't mean that. I just meant like, you know, like, like terrifying. Like, you know what I mean? Like terrifying. like i just it's like a big black man coming at you it's it's scary it's like emmy no emmy no and brad's like well what did you think i was gonna do to you i'm just like i mean i i don't know and you had your boyfriend there you think i'm gonna bust down the door and she's like well all i'm saying is like in my five years like of being friends with you like i've never seen you speak to anyone like that like like i've never seen you like text anyone like that like whoa

38:39Ben Mandelker: well I don't agree with the verbiage like men of color were continuously fighting stereotypes and just like a never-ending battle and Maddie tells us I can't validate that uh I can't validate that Emmy actually feels that way but she's got to get better words and Brad is saying you know when I'm angry or when I'm upset or when my feelings are hurt I have to be so careful on how I react on how I carry myself on what I say and that's not fair and I texted you and I didn't even knock on your door. I didn't even raise my voice at you. So now why am I all of a sudden a threat to you or your safety?

39:11Ben Mandelker: Because I've shown a little bit of emotion. And the truth is that's such a great point because he showed a little bit of emotion on texts. And you compare that to the number of times that Emmy has gone, you know, running out of the room, crying, angry, tears, you know, like that finger goes shaking. And this is exactly what was also being talked about the night prior on summer house about like just how, how, you know, people like just the privilege that Emmy has versus how people like Brad and Michaels and Mia and Sierra and KJ and other Mia have to, have to consider that things that like Emmy and Kyle don't have to.

39:50Ben Mandelker: So it was, you know, you know, but of course it's on this silly show, which is like funny because they're like all fighting. And then the next scene, they're all just like, okay, now let's,

40:00Ronnie Karam: let's do shots together i mean yeah and you know like no i don't think guys should be texting bitch to a woman anyway and that happens a lot on these southern shows and i don't know if it's like an age thing or if it's what it is and it's the gay guys a lot of the time so we're like bitch and i don't you know it's not like we never say bitch on this show you know what i mean but i wouldn't i don't tell my girlfriend like shut up bitch like i just i don't love that but even so you can say like hey i don't like i don't love you calling me a bitch like what the hell that's not cool and not call production and say i feel unsafe and like try and elevate it to this level i mean what she's doing is so beyond you know yeah you're it's you're allowed to be offended

40:42Ben Mandelker: by a text that is like you're dead to me too bitch or whatever you're allowed to but like but it's it's like when you when you're like i feel unsafe yeah i'm calling production to it

40:52Ronnie Karam: like and trying to affect his job and then you know the stuff she says in the rest of the episode about people it's like it's dangerous you know you're basically calling people rapists and stalkers and abusers and stuff when you don't get your way and that's some dangerous shit i mean oh my god and then she never even sees it and just triples down throughout the episode is crazy

41:14Ben Mandelker: yeah she she that's it's not right so justin says hey i think it's important to not minimize and these emotions, but at the same time, realize that you would never do something like that. Just listen, listen, Brad, we don't need to hyper fixate on it. Maybe unsafe is the wrong word. I mean, listen, I just, I needed space. I needed space. And she goes, Brad is a calm, cool, close to man. He does not snap. But after I had gotten off that reunion stage, I was in my hotel room with my fiance and I'm a fucking mess and I'm calling my mom and I get a text, lower your fucking voice. You're dead to me too, bitch.

41:48Ben Mandelker: Like what, what? There's no privacy. I'm freaking out. I can't breathe at all. I'm like, you're the, like, you're, it's, it's not his fault that you're like in a deranged state. Okay. Like, sorry. It's not his fault.

42:01Ronnie Karam: And he's like, well, that hurt me to my core. Cause you were, you were a close friend. And she's like, Brad, Brad, Brad, I never wanted to get here to begin with. Okay. Like it's sad, like knowing at one point, like you were supposed to be, you were supposed to be a groomsman. You were supposed to be a groomsman. My wedding with my fiance. I'm sorry. I'm sorry guys. I'm crying okay here they come though the white lady tears she doubles down she calls production and now here come the tears and gracefully is like are you serious he was gonna be a grams man

42:35Ben Mandelker: brad's like like it's sad and it's really unfortunate she goes i love you and it's just like it's really sad he goes but it didn't feel like but didn't feel like it right she goes i know i know it doesn't feel because i was i was angry and you know how fucking angry my fucking the fiance gets, uh, so now she's putting it on to Will. Yes.

42:52Ronnie Karam: Put it on Will. So TJ's like, well, um, sometimes the way that you feel towards people is influenced by Will. Like personally, I don't think you would have went on that podcast after the reunion if Will wasn't there. And you pushed a narrative upon me that you know is not fucking true. And she's like, oh my God, Will or me, like we never had any intention of going on that podcast and saying anything like that about you, like ever. And he's like, well, it could have been easily stopped. And she's like, and he says, After the podcast, he was flooded in DMs with, you know, people saying he was a rapist.

43:25Ronnie Karam: And they show all these, you know, messages like, oh, yeah, he basically raped him. And that was assault. And no, no, no, no, no. The gay guy raped the straight drunk guy the second he had a chance and stuff. And he's like, you know, you could have shut down that conversation and said you don't want to talk about it. And it's like, well, I genuinely did not know what to say when he said it. So I just like tacitly agreed. like duh is that what you do

43:51Ben Mandelker: yeah yeah and so TJ's like I mean she could have just shut the whole thing up you know she called me a rapist on the podcast Molly I just thought Molly goes what is wrong with you

44:01Ronnie Karam: I mean it's like I didn't I didn't I didn't I didn't I just let him call you a rapist I mean it's like like I don't know if you're a rapist I mean if he says you're a rapist I'm just like agreeing like I didn't say it I mean come on

44:13Ben Mandelker: you went with it bitch you did Michael's goes whoever said it the whole goal sitting at this table is for resolution just like exactly bro resolution and also me grabbing some sweet tits come on who wants to get into my hands so tj's like you you're saying like I swear I promise like I would never fucking do that and I heard you say that about molly as well while liking comments about her fat shaming then we heard through the weeds through the wall laughing about it so I'm like oh looping molly into it as well I was like I didn't even know there was a molly

44:44Ronnie Karam: angle yeah because there were three of them remember he said bradley said there's three people so i guess it's molly tj and brad and so and he's like no no no no no no no no no no no no no listen listen listen and while he's like no it is absolutely disgusting that you would let me be humiliated she's like that is fucking ridiculous molly so molly reminds us that on stage at the reunion she confronted emmy about liking inappropriate comments and it's one of them said it's always the thick girls coming for the skinny girls and i guess she liked that comment and so we see that reunion footage and emmy's saying i deleted it i deleted it she goes yeah then why are you deleting comments she's like because i delete i delete hate comments that's why i delete mean comments and me is like uh-uh you left hers and then you pinned it oh my god emmy you pinned it not the pinning she goes i never no i did not i never pinned it i deleted

45:41Ben Mandelker: the fucking comment immediately oh my god molly oh my god you know you linked to it in your bio you put it on your linkedin you said you were working at fat shaming so emmy is like i deleted to that shit immediately and you want to know why because she's a little fucking victim and i knew she was gonna self-identify with a comment that didn't even use her goddamn name and she was gonna make it all about herself so she goes do you want to do you want to have my instagram for a day and see how many notifications i get i mean listen listen i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry

46:17Ronnie Karam: i'm sorry for what are you sorry for it's a very important thing to talk about my tribal ancestors always insist on a full apology and so michael's goes grace it's a great question it's a valid

46:36Ben Mandelker: question i'm sorry i'm sorry you know i know it's i know it's a triggering conversation for you uh i would say for some people maybe it's a very heavy conversation for you oh wrong word um i know this is a massive issue in our relationship sorry wrong word um there's a lot of robust challenges wrong word uh what should i say what should i say listen i just want to get to the point let's just

47:01Ronnie Karam: cut the fat i mean that's probably not the right way i know we're in the thick of it uh no um

47:07Ben Mandelker: listen i just want you to be a big girl about this oh damn it this weighs on me a lot uh

47:15Ronnie Karam: okay okay you guys you guys you guys look um like we're in pali right now basically like open concepts am i right so i think we should call it quits like we've made it a long way i think it's like definitely like it's like moving in the right direction as the next owner of the business of something somewhere that level has um like i just want to say like open concept i love joe just

47:38Ben Mandelker: decides arbitrarily it's over now i'm like what i felt like they actually were making progress and I feel like they were getting through to Emmy and they were sort of building some bridges and Joe's like, okay guys, listen, let's not like ruin this open concept. So let's have, that's enough for today. So Gristoli's like, all right, let's drink. Goodbye, y 'all. I'm like, okay, well, heavy conversation is now officially done.

48:02Ronnie Karam: I need some fresh air. Like, will you come with me? I need to breathe. I need to breathe. And they're like, oh my God, are you leaving? She's like. So she goes outside hyperventilating And Lake comes out and is like Hey you did okay It shows that you love and care When you have those reactions People who don't care don't hyperventilate

48:25Ben Mandelker: I'm Lake So Mia's like Michaels are they best friends now? Lake and Emmy Y 'all they like squash their beef Like they did? So Lake is like you know who loves you You know who cares about you and you know your truth. I'm Lake. And Lake is like, yeah, I was kind of a shady bitch to Emmy last year. And we see that they were like, the shady bitch montage. And there were like a lot of moments she was doing like a lot, but I do a lot too. But by the way, no, by the way, Lake, you don't do a lot like that. You're too stoned to do a lot like that. She goes, so I got to talking to her after Michael's forced us to kind of come together and kumbaya and she's batshit crazy, but I like that.

49:08Ben Mandelker: So we're friends. and we're friends and we're good.

49:11Ronnie Karam: She's like, I know who you are. Remember what I told you? You're strong. You're strong. She's like, oh my God. But like, I respect like the fuck out of Brad. Like I respect him. Like the same way that I respect like, I don't know, Jason or that like Michael guy who chases people around with an ax, you know? Like it's terrifying, but like he can sell a movie because it's a scary, scary villain.

49:34Ben Mandelker: Scary is a good thing sometimes, you know? Like it's like, yeah, you were strong. You were strong. And Maddie's like, you did a good job. You did a good job. So Bella, Bella's back. And she goes, yeah, you know what? You owned up to what you needed to say. And everyone's like hugging Emmy. And so Brad goes out to talk to her. And TJ's like, how many people can hug Emmy at the same time? Which is true. Everyone's consoling her.

49:55Ronnie Karam: And she's like, can I have a hug? Can I have a hug, Brad? Ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow. Okay, softer, softer. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. But in all seriousness, and then they all start chanting, squash the beef. All these kids need to brag.

50:11Ben Mandelker: Commercials, here comes one right now.

51:06Ben Mandelker: So Brad is like, he's like, okay, everyone shut up, shut up. So they go, like Brad and Emmy have a little talk and Emmy's like, listen, Brad, I don't know whether I should be scared right now or just terrified, but I'm feeling kind of both. Is that okay? Is that still a microaggression? He's like, yeah, okay, stop. He's like, what's up? She goes, thank you for being receptive and I don't like carrying around resentment and anger and I don't like not being able to talk to you. There's an intertwine of connections between you and my life and I don't like where we are. I never wanted to get here and I'm sorry.

51:35Ben Mandelker: I'm sorry that you were stalking me outside my door and I know I said

51:38Ronnie Karam: some horrible shit and i know i hurt your feelings i'm sorry and he's like okay i appreciate the apology so he says they've been friends uh for a long time and maybe they can start going in a better direction now so they decide to move forward and um then michael let's see what happens next um so silly's like so when you go to the bahamas wait what are they talking about fish

52:04Ben Mandelker: uh i don't know about the fish part wait all i know is that brad and emmy they're they just they go back inside everything is good and he's like everyone she's not leaving everything is okay so now they just are partying and they're like now they're back like okay the tense moment we talked about the microaggressions we squashed the beef everyone is good again now we're in this mansion we're gonna party so they're all just like oh my god we're in a mansion let's say they finally realized they're in a mansion so they're just partying in every square footage and at one point they um go into a bedroom and julia's like this is where i ate prad's ass last night oh my god did you actually it's fun sometimes oh my god you want to eat my ass he's like no i'm not really into fish but if i ever change my palate i'll let you know and that explains the fish comment fish report fish report

52:55Ronnie Karam: so they just cheer and have fun and justin's like yeah party time and mia's like breakdancing seeing it i don't know they're just having a good time so emmy holds up the tequila bottle and she like you guys you guys this historical moment this is the first time i've drank since september of 2023 okay i'm coming back and grace lee's like well are you sure you want to do that because if you're being sober but then you have a drink i think that means you don't get to be sober no more

53:20Ben Mandelker: and brad's like you really don't have to do that she's like no i'm having a shot i'm not i'm not just i'm not going to keep drinking i'm just going to take a shot to commemorate working on I'm being friends again, but I'm not taking the shot alone. So everyone needs to do it with me. And it's like, okay, I'll do it with you. Because since we're in Bali after all, why not do a shot for Bali, right?

53:38Ronnie Karam: Okay, guys, here's to an end of the chapter. Oh, my God. Hopefully this is like the best chapter. Okay, let's have a drink. So they take a drink. And Mia's like, well, at least you'll be drunk now. Because you haven't had one in so long. And so everybody cheers to them. And then Mia's like, yeah, and cheers to my first night being single. And Michaels is like, what the fuck is wrong with you? That guy was like so hot Like why would you break up with that guy? Like seriously

54:05Ben Mandelker: They were just in Hawaii together What the fuck happened in Hawaii? You're supposed to be fucking and having fun In Hawaii Brad's like, wow, no one's safe Yeah, I just blame it on her Because Troy's perfect

54:21Ronnie Karam: And she's like, yeah, long distance You know, that's never gonna work But I'm okay guys, I'm okay You know what? If you want to send me your condolences, send me your hottest friend's Instagram through my DM. Thank you.

54:33Ben Mandelker: Like, oh my God, Mia. Wow. And she's like, no, I'm fine. I'm totally fine. You know, you just didn't want to move to Charlotte. So Justin's like, yeah, I prayed for this. What did Michael Jordan say? You missed 100 % of the shots you don't take. And on screen, it's like, no, that was Wayne Gretzky, you idiot. So they cheers to Mia. And Joe's like, well, guys, we should all go down to the street. Let's go to the bar. Which I always think that's one of the funniest things when you get like an Airbnb and then you immediately leave it to go somewhere else. I'm like, why did you even get the Airbnb in the first place?

55:02Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So then some of them jump in the pool and then a lot of people go to the bar. And Justin's like, whoa, you know what like a body shot is? It's like the top three things to get over a heartbreak, Mia. I swear to God. She says, who told you that? And he's like, science.

55:20Ben Mandelker: She's like, okay, well, let me see your belly button. He was like, yeah, my belly button's cute. She goes, oh, fucking hell. I haven't been single in years, and I don't mind, you know, flirting with an attractive man. I think it's a bit overdue, some would say. And then they do, like, a conga line, and they're partying. And TJ does a body shot off of Michael's, and then they make out, but it's, like, a real make out. And everyone's like, oh, my God, the two guys are finally kissing. It's all happening.

55:45Ronnie Karam: And Emmy, who just got out of trouble, is like, um, TJ was born in, like, 1990, and Michael's was born in 2002. I mean, that is a big difference, okay? Have fun with grandpa Have fun on the Epstein's list What the fuck

55:59Ben Mandelker: Does Emmy not look around Her town Has she not seen the relationships In Charleston This is like Having like A 12 year gap That's considered to be basically Might as well be twins

56:19Ronnie Karam: I feel like that's nothing These days right

56:22Ben Mandelker: yeah i mean this is usually i think i feel like most the guys walk around that city have like a 35 to 40 year gap between them and their girlfriends yeah on southern charm you got to

56:31Ronnie Karam: have at least a decade to even be considered so justin is doing body shots off mia and um she's complimenting him and she's like yeah he didn't look too bad from up top and he's like i'm gonna kiss let's kiss right now i'm gonna kiss you tonight So she runs away and she's like, the Uber.

56:51Ben Mandelker: So now they all have to work tomorrow. So bye. So it's time to catch up with everyone. So first up we have Jordan and Molly. This is like the next day. And Jordan's like, okay, I think these are the last bags. And Molly's like, you got everything. And she's like, yeah. And Molly says, after folly, I'm hung tits. Jordan goes, yeah. How are you feeling? She's like, like ass. So friend working overtime. And that concludes Molly and Jordan Theater.

57:19Ronnie Karam: Jordan. Jordan's like, did you find my ruse? I need it. Please give me my ruse. So Julie and Brad, we go over to Julie and Brad, and Brad's like, did you use my toothbrush? And she's like, no, I used the purple. He's like, seriously? Because you ate my ass last night. I'd really not like to brush my teeth with my own ass. That'd be nice.

57:38Ben Mandelker: and now we have mia who's just doing some sort of like trippy red light mask things on her bed it's like shot from above it's like very very cinematic

57:51Ronnie Karam: yeah and then uh brad and justin talking about how they're hungover and stuff and uh justin has a date night coming up with mia they had a long night on the couch we see them talking on the couch and he asked her on a date and he's like, you want to go to marbled and thin? Yeah.

58:10Ben Mandelker: And she goes, that's my spot because I love a good steak and a good fish, marbled and thin. And so then I just realized, actually I was making fun of it. I'm like, Oh, that's probably why it's called marbled and thin. Cause I was like, what is that stupid name? I realized, Oh, it's like steak and fish. So then I still think it's stupid.

58:30Ronnie Karam: I mean, marbled. Yeah. Yeah, marbled and fined. Shouldn't it be like marbled and scaled? Something like, I don't know, something that the fish is? Like the fish is marbled. The fish is something. Yeah.

58:44Ben Mandelker: Tender.

58:45Ronnie Karam: Or like hoof and fined. Lakey. Or something maybe. Yeah. Stupid. Anyway, so Justin's like, yeah. And then I go back and I'm chilling at my spot and the door bus open. And it's Jordan. Not even, hey, like, how's it going? It was like, oh, hey, I heard you tried to get with Mia. And I was like, oh, got me. And Brad goes, and then she left and goes, nah, she stayed. Jordan's pretty sad. Jordan's a pretty sad character.

59:13Ben Mandelker: I told her I had some rouge, so, you know, hard to resist that. I like Jordan's company, but Mia really gets me going. She reminds me of women up north. You know, I'm from Boston, and women in Boston are a bit more up front. They don't really take a lot of shit, and I like that. My dad is Lebanese. He's more, you know, where we got the affection. My mom's Irish Catholic. She definitely didn't take any of my bullshit or any bullshit. And I think a lot of that rubbed off on me as well. So Mia's like a female version of me.

59:43Ronnie Karam: So he's my brother.

59:45Ben Mandelker: He's Irish. I was like, it was Ronnie Karam in a way.

59:50Ronnie Karam: It was me. It's me with hair when I was a fuck boy. So Joe's like, well, you are like toxic as fuck, brother. Or as they say in Bali, toxic as fuck. And he's like, yeah. So now the ladies come in and Joe's like, hey, let's say as high as many people as we can on King 3 and sell from tables to the ladies.

1:00:11Ben Mandelker: Yeah. And Justin's like, yeah, let's do it. Okay, cool. So it's a shift change. And so Lake comes in. I'm like, and TJ is like, oh my God, a lesbian. Because I guess that's the way Lake is dressed. And she's like, where did you just come from? And Michael's like, oh, I went to dinner. It's like, oh, nice. Yeah, it was good. The oysters were like really good. I'll be right, Bonk. I'm going to get the steamer, okay? And they're like, oh my God. So much Bella out of nowhere. It's like, there was a lot of sexual tension there. Did anyone feel that? Oh my God.

1:00:44Ronnie Karam: She's like, yeah, so much sexual tension. He's like, oh my God, you guys, chill. Like, there's definitely sexual tension with Michaels. Like, there always is. But like, why can't we just have fun and make out? I mean, you know, like after last summer, there were times when things did get honestly kind of weird. But, and then we see, yeah, like I was kind of upset because you kissed me, but then there was like never a conversation about it. Oh, that really hurt me. I forgot about that, stupid.

1:01:07Ben Mandelker: Like, what's going on? Where are we? So then TJ's like, he's like, I mean, me and Michaels are friends. We both find each other attractive and we get drunk and we have fun and we continue on with life. You know, Emmy's like, stay away from him, geezer. So TJ's like, we can just be like fine after making out. It's like totally fine. Everything's fine. Everything's fine. Everything's fine. Everything's fine.

1:01:28Ronnie Karam: So Emmy comes in and everyone's being nicer today. So she's like, yeah, it's nice that Titu and I can like work under the same roof, but like we just needed to have like a progressive conversation and it was progressive. Like it started one place and then went to another place and like now it's cool. So it's like we could totally be in the same room together.

1:01:45Ben Mandelker: Yeah, yeah, we did have a progressive conversation. Okay, by the way, we did not have a progressive conversation. Emmy might think that we had a progressive conversation, but I honestly don't accept her half-ass apology. More like a progress-so conversation, like it was canned and tasted like soup. so time for the meeting alright so for tonight obviously we're missing some bodies Maddie's not here tonight because she's at a concert with her dad and then we have the boys Justin, Joe and Brad and they're out walking the streets I would have loved it if it cut to like those guys He's like dressed as hookers in drag.

1:02:20Ben Mandelker: He just had big curly haired wigs and like a little short, like a shiny, like sequined.

1:02:26Ronnie Karam: Hey daddy, you want a night in Bali? Yeah, pull it over, daddy.

1:02:31Ben Mandelker: Yeah, daddy. Hey, Bali night over Republic. Yeah, big boy. Get over there.

1:02:37Ronnie Karam: Marbles aren't the only thing I can swallow, daddy. Pull over to the side of the road. Play with your marbles. They call me Joey Marbles for a reason. Pull over.

1:02:45Ben Mandelker: It's like one of those 1980s cop movies Where the cops have to dress up like prostitutes It's like it's wacky But I actually always loved it

1:02:53Ronnie Karam: Instead they're like trying to get people into the club And Justin's like hey turn that pedicab Around and partying girls and get back to Republic okay see you there Yes

1:03:03Ben Mandelker: You're scaring them you didn't mention it was Bali You have to tell them it's Bali otherwise they'll go Away

1:03:09Ronnie Karam: So then they're going into bars and being like hey Hey guys we gotta go we're going to Republic After this

1:03:16Ben Mandelker: do you want to come to the cool the Joe tells us yeah back when I was in love with the poster boy you know her shiny star instead of like going straight to work I used to go to like I'd pop into like every single spot on King Street like along the way I'd go to like Bubbles and Branch and like Branch and Bubbles and like fins and marbles and like fins and bubbles and then bubbles and bubbles and fins it was like a lot of cool places to go to and I would just like meet people

1:03:37Ronnie Karam: yeah I'd be like you know what like you gotta enter United Republic and one time Leva was like why are there so many people in HomeGoods uniforms here And I was like, well, I went to every place on King Street. And she was like, you don't have to go into every place, Joe. It was funny.

1:03:51Ben Mandelker: Yeah, those CVS people were so mad when I couldn't see them after Leva kicked them out.

1:03:57Ronnie Karam: And Leva's like, yeah, Joe's good at that. Like, Joe's a man about town. I have Lisa Vanderpump hair this season. And so we see Joe talking to this older lady. She's like, hi, I'm Donna. And he's like, Donna? I've met Donna. She's stunning, just like you. I've always wanted to fuck my Aunt Donna. You're coming to her a little later.

1:04:17Ben Mandelker: Yeah. You're so hot. You're almost as hot as Aunt Donna. She's so hot. Anyway, yeah, come on. Come on, Donna. And so Love is like, yeah, we own multiple businesses, in case you didn't know, because I mention it every single episode of every single season of the show. We own multiple businesses, which is on King Street, which is the It Street in Charleston. Yeah, so good luck having a business here because that's the place to be. and these are all completely, they all have a completely different vibe. So that, you know, someone could come in on the weekend and experience all these different spaces.

1:04:49Ben Mandelker: They can like, you know, you can wear your Tommy Bahama in dark light. You can wear your Tommy Bahama in warm light. You can wear your Tommy Bahama in purple light. It's just so many different experiences for your Tommy Bahama shorts and shirts.

1:05:01Ronnie Karam: And Joe's like, yeah, if I want to prove the level that I'm ready on my own spot one day, like I think the best thing I can do is go back to my roots, the OG Joy bottles. Talk to everyone on the street. That's what I'm going to do. and everyone's like hi joe and fucking landon was that really landon

1:05:24Ronnie Karam: landon just passing by on every show filming that she was really landon yeah it was landon yeah it was literally landon he's like oh hey how are you landon how you doing i got a parking spot for y 'all if you want to come in here it's like

1:05:38Ben Mandelker: Rome, Rome. She's like, she just finally finished her HTML mock-up on that website. So Joe's like, yeah, I got to become a leader again. And to respect that, not only from Lava, but myself. I'm like, oh, he doesn't respect himself anymore.

1:05:56Ronnie Karam: So he brings in all the girls and Lava's like, wow, nice. That's what I want to see. Like he came in with like a ton of girls. I like the way he walked up, like so much energy with like girls. Look how many girls there are. Wow. Hi, girls. But I need you to do this every night, Joe. Like, you need to bring in, like, girls every night. Okay? Like, I need you to keep it going. Because, like, you start, but then tomorrow you could finish. I need you to do this every day of your life. I want you to wake up. I want you to look at your breakfast. I don't want you to see eggs and sausage. I want you to see girls that you can bring in.

1:06:26Ronnie Karam: Then I want you to bring them so I can bring my eggs and sausage to VIP. No, Joe. It's a saying, Joe. Trying to help you, Joe.

1:06:33Ben Mandelker: Joe, look, I could teach anyone to sell tables. It's not just selling tables. It's looking at the analytics. It's showing up to shifts. It's looking at Google tables and seeing what the numbers are these days. It's showing up to meetings. It's planning events. It's getting into HR. It's understanding what HR policies are. It's also making sure people don't violate HR policies. It's also making sure there's no microaggressions due to the HR policies. It's also showing up in the office when Leah CEO sits you down and says, look, you really fucked up, joe and you have to listen that's what running a fucking club is all about so you're gonna do that

1:07:07Ronnie Karam: joe and he's like but like seriously like where the beatles the beatles are dead joe are you gonna do it or not he's like um i'm not taking this so seriously and i just my my eggs and bacon want to thank you they're totally doing shots right now at the bar look i i made i put my bacon so it

1:07:21Ben Mandelker: looks like a smiley face with the eggs it's not cool no no it's not it's real grand slam real

1:07:27Ronnie Karam: grandson so um they're doing a sign and brad and emmy are interacting and he asked her how tonight is and she's like um well it was really slow until like 10 minutes ago yeah and so she's like psyched that they're all friends again and uh brad's happy they're friends again and emmy congratulates him and she's like i mean it's like kind of crazy like you guys brought like 50 people and then one of the girls is like um they didn't bring that many

1:07:54Ben Mandelker: and brad is like she loves to try to keep a man humble huh so uh he makes a sign that says bride tribe and now it's a whole new day just i know everyone wanted to see how that bride tribe would turn out but you'll just have to imagine them because joe's washing us for no good reason we see joe in slow-mo shirtless washing his truck and he announces the closest i'll get to cheating on Maddie god it's my truck and then we just move on from there but it's like a really sexy like

1:08:27Ronnie Karam: sketch it's just like slowly washing it it's like so then we go to Molly's apartment and like it's over there and they're like getting ready for a party and putting like little cheeses together and stuff and it's gonna be girls night like girls no but like seriously I've been wanting a girls night like really bad because I'm like and the gays are coming too and so she goes yes prep I was like wow it's a prep party it's a crazy gay party

1:09:01Ben Mandelker: it's girls night and then we're going to make the gays sleep with each other yes prep by the way it's a tough episode for Emmy because not only was she doing the microaggression hall of fame, but she has unfortunately lost her title as charcuterie queen of Southern hospitality. Emmy had three amazing seasons of inviting people over to her very clean apartment with a very well-made bed. And she always put together a very tight, organized and well-composed charcuterie plate. But Molly is like, Oh, she's going to fat shame me. well as long as I'm being fat shamed I'm gonna make the charcuterie tray of all charcuterie trays she fills up her entire kitchen island with charcuterie and she has it all laid out and I was like wow this was you can't beat it it was the best it was the best charcuterie tray we've ever it's the best homemade charcuterie spread we've ever seen on Bravo I'm just gonna say it

1:10:01Ronnie Karam: I mean I just remember the mozzarella tray the mozzarella tomato tray but was it really a good tray like was it a solid tray of shark it was it was like coast to coast it was just it was it was

1:10:13Ben Mandelker: enormous it was well organized i'll try to pull up an image and i will wow you just yeah well

1:10:18Ronnie Karam: congratulations to her so congratulations today marks one month since i broke up with my useless boyfriend so i just want a night with all my girls my gays away from straight toxic dick so it's a pajama party and um they're talking about like what pajamas they're gonna wear and stuff like that and then um like it's like oh my god i'm trying to use the scissors but one of your eyelashes is stuck to it she goes yeah you're gonna you're gonna get a lot of those she's like girl put this back on your eye she's like you will find my eyelashes everywhere in this house that's that girl came over the other day and left one on her cheek she thought it was ruse

1:10:59Ben Mandelker: she's so desperate she's so desperate for something my cheeks are naked please help my

1:11:04Ronnie Karam: cheeks please help that are your cheeks blinking so like it's like that looks so pretty that's shakuri but you know what i have bad news i don't think emmy's gonna be able to make it tonight because she felt like like maybe you should have invited her instead of me and she's like oh bullshit you know what i text her right now and like she still wouldn't like whatever it wouldn't have mattered so she still wouldn't have come i can't win i can't i can't win with her like i I just can't. And she says the thing about Emmy is like she's a performance queen. And she would have pretended that she actually gave a fuck when she apologized to her if she cared.

1:11:38Ronnie Karam: And she's never remotely acted like she cares. And it hurts Molly's feelings. And so she invited Emmy and that was her last olive branch to her, even though she did it through Lake.

1:11:49Ben Mandelker: This is not as strong of a feud, I believe. Emmy won't respond to Lake's invitation. she'll only respond to a direct invitation from Molly. But okay, sure. If this is where we want to go into the climax of the episode, sure. So we go to Emmy's apartment.

1:12:07Ronnie Karam: Molly's coming in swinging, right? Because she didn't really have much last year. I didn't remember her. Like when she came on this season and was like, I am so mad. I was like, who? It took me a minute to remember Molly.

1:12:18Ben Mandelker: You know what? Here's what I think about. This is what I think about with Molly. At BravoCon, the way that the actual convention was set up, there's this giant convention center, this giant building. And there was sort of like this, this few stairs that would lead up to this big, wide outdoor area that you would, there was sort of like a bazaar and ticketing and everything out there. And then the building and on the building, they had like all these pictures of all, it's like every Bravo lady that was going to be there was there. And I remember I was standing at the stairs and then Molly came up the staircase.

1:12:48Ben Mandelker: I was like, who's that girl again? Cause she was like in full glam and like this purple dress or whatever. And she got to the top of the staircase and someone was like, Molly, we have to go. She goes, hold on, hold on. And she like just took a picture of herself on the side of the building. She was like, I just wanted to take a picture of myself on the side of the building. And I thought this girl, she's, she's fighting for, she's fighting for her spot. You know, she's like, I just want to have some sort of photographic proof that I was on this network and in this convention. I was like, I can't be mad at this poor girl.

1:13:18Ben Mandelker: You know? Yeah.

1:13:19Ronnie Karam: I'm not mad at her. You know, I'm just saying, you know, she's making some effort because she, she didn't have the most memorable season. So I think this year she's like, got to work it. You know, I'm going to fight about everything. Today it's going to be charcuterie.

1:13:32Ben Mandelker: Speaking of charcuterie, I got a screen grab. Oh, you did? I managed to multitask. Wow. Which is crazy because I'm not a good multitasker. Let me see if I can share it on screen here. I think this is an important thing for all of us to see. This is a Crappens on Demand specific. This is good. Yeah, this is good. This is an exclusive to Crap is on Demand.

1:13:55Ronnie Karam: I will say it's not like the tightly coiled meats. And there is a lot of food, but it's not as artistically put together. I mean, Emmy does have some art with her charcuterie. This is like a bunch of grapes, you know, big pile, lots of grapes, a lot of rely on grapes.

1:14:13Ben Mandelker: I'm going to push back respectfully, Ronnie. What you can see in the background here is, and we saw her composing this. She made this beautiful caprese salad, spiral salad, almost in the shape of a French tion. And that's like her moment to say, here I can be, I can do the composition. I can do compose and symmetry. But then I can also do something a little bit more cure-free where there's like, here's a sleeve of crackers. Lay to skew, lane askew. And here's some cheese crumbles. and oh look and she also has she has the little things to go in the cheese with the wooden handles right and she's I'm gonna say I think like I mean I think like I think for the sheer volume and that she was able to put this all over her entire table and make it look good I have to honestly I just have to give it to Molly I think she takes the ground from Emmy you know okay well you know

1:15:09Ronnie Karam: you heard it here first so then we go to Peyton and Emmy

1:15:13Ben Mandelker: and last probably too only actually i'll use the word you heard it here only because i don't think anyone else cares

1:15:21Ronnie Karam: well we'll care again when it's emmy's turn when next time someone goes to emmy's apartment we'll have to have a charcuterie off so leave that on your desktop so we can call it back up again for

1:15:29Ben Mandelker: a conversation just one last look there it is one last time remember this everyone and okay it's

1:15:35Ronnie Karam: locked into everyone's communal memory on the actual table it wasn't on like trays right did

1:15:39Ben Mandelker: she just put it on the actual table you you can actually see she has like a some fabric like a

1:15:44Ronnie Karam: runner you know so it's like it's that's kind of cool when people do that yeah um so okay so we go to peyton and emmy and um emmy's on facetime that's her sister peyton so they're on facetime and uh he's like yeah and emmy's like um i guess like every motherfucker wants a piece of me and peyton like brad or my peyton my peyton like brad tj molly like they all want to sit down and have like have a chat no i'm sorry peyton everyone wants a fucking piece of me that's what i'm trying to say okay it's this party brad tj molly they all want to sit down and have a chat like molly tried coming up to me it was just like i like i don't i don't i don't have time for her like who is she like she was attacking me for a mean comment that she she she like attached herself to it was like posted on my instagram didn't even have anything to do with her she had one eyelash on her eye and like the other one on her temple like i don't even know who that girl is what the fuck.

1:16:37Ben Mandelker: Peyton goes, it was one comment. I'm like, if someone just says to me once, like Ben, you're, you're a fat bitch. I'm like, I will probably remember that, you know, like,

1:16:48Ronnie Karam: I pin it at the top of my Instagram. Like you'd be like, excuse me.

1:16:53Ben Mandelker: Excuse you.

1:16:54Ronnie Karam: Yeah. That would be like 20 years at least. And I wouldn't blame you. So, um, uh, Emmy's like, yeah. And I like, I had this conversation with her, so she would shut the fuck up and just like, leave me alone. Like, I don't give a shit, you know? So I apologize. Like, it doesn't matter if I agree with the apology or not. I mean, just move the fuck on. You know what I mean? But like, anyways, you know, you know, the podcast I went on, like, that guy was very famous. He was on The Bachelor. You know, I was like huge for us. You know, and then TJ tries to have a conversation with me at the dinner table.

1:17:20Ronnie Karam: Like, he's kind of combative. And I like told him, like, you need to chill. Like, he's his own worst enemy. Like, he would rape himself if he could.

1:17:26Ben Mandelker: And so, I mean, he's like, um, like, what am I supposed to say? And Payne goes, well, it's a shitty situation, but it's like not your guy's fault. Yeah, it wasn't. You know, I don't think TJ is a predator. But I do think he's being inappropriate after going drunk after a straight man. And I didn't want to say it. And I don't want to talk about it. But fuck it. I mean, whatever. It's the truth. I think working at Republic is going to be a lot smoother. But that being said, I really don't give a shit. Like, honest to God, I don't care. Like, especially like, I don't give a fuck about you.

1:17:57Ronnie Karam: Okay, so you don't think TJ is a predator. But you do think that he's getting straight men wasted and then trying to fuck them. So that would be a predator. So stupid.

1:18:07Ben Mandelker: She's like, yeah, but he's like, doesn't have dreads. He doesn't have weird teeth in his mouth. He doesn't like kill people. It's like, no, I mean, predator is more than that. So.

1:18:17Ronnie Karam: Oh my gosh. You mean like the actual monster, the predator?

1:18:20Ben Mandelker: I was trying to make a clunky joke about the movie predator guys, which I've actually never seen. So I didn't know where to go. She's like, it's not like you have to wear mud to be when you're near TJ. Like that's all I know about predator.

1:18:31Ronnie Karam: I thought you were mixing her racism in with her predatoring. And I was like, whoa. No, no, no. But then I realized you were talking about the actual predator.

1:18:39Ben Mandelker: No, I was literally just trying to make a pop culture reference. I'll stick to charcuterie.

1:18:45Ronnie Karam: It's tricky when it's Molly, man. She's so problematic. So then we go to the party. Everybody's getting there to the party. And there's gluten-free stuff on the outside for Maddie, which is nice. And they're all like, oh, my God, the charcuterie. You beat Emmy, babe. You did it.

1:19:05Ben Mandelker: Charcuterie. Oh my God. This is like so professional. It's like the John Summit of charcuterie. Wow. And Lake's like, yeah, look at the penis flowers. I'm like, Emmy is like, oh my God, look, we're here. Molly's apartment. I didn't even know you really lived anywhere. I just never really thought of you as anyone other than a blonde girl who shows up. And I never thought, oh, there's Molly actually probably leaves Republic and lives somewhere. So cool that you live here. I was like yeah thanks Oh and you gave me flowers because my ex never did

1:19:35Ronnie Karam: Maddie's like I'm not gonna lie I was walking in here And I saw Grace and she started like Bitching me out guys not gonna lie Me and Joe say that to each other a lot Not gonna lie Not gonna lie Not gonna lie

1:19:48Ben Mandelker: I sort of feel like I kind of started not gonna lie On Summer House but that's okay Not gonna lie it hurts a little bit

1:19:54Ronnie Karam: So we see a clip of Grace Lily We just see it We just hear it. We don't see it because they're behind the wall. But Grace Lily's like, whoa, wait. Tell me what the fuck to wear, you fucking fake-ass bitch. She's like, what? She's like, you are. You didn't tell me to wear pajamas. And I'm just showing up here with pajamas and everybody else got pajamas on. Fucking stupid. You think I don't see you, bitch? I see you. You want a piece of me? You want a piece? Well, you're not going to get one because I'm going to go home and get pajamas. So what are you going to do about it? Not even get to laugh at me.

1:20:24Ronnie Karam: And have everybody just laughing at Grace Lily. who doesn't understand pajamas. Well, I do. So I will be back, you bitch.

1:20:32Ben Mandelker: I mean, I found out it was a pajama theme an hour before. Okay, this is Molly's party. It's not mine, okay? Sorry. Oops. And Molly's like, oops, sorry. Event planner made a boo-boo. Sorry, Grace.

1:20:47Ronnie Karam: So Michael's brings over a big tub of cucumbers. And he's like, my roommate's parents have a farm. And like my roommate, like he always brings like fruits and vegetables. and he brought me a huge thing of cucumbers. It's a cucumber party now. Hope you like them salty.

1:21:03Ben Mandelker: And three hours earlier, it's Michaels and TJ putting cucumbers in their pants. Hope you like it salty. So Grace, sure. Now they're just cobbling in random scenes. They're like, let's put another shot of Joe cleaning his car for some reason. It worked really well with Erica Jane. Let's do it here.

1:21:20Ronnie Karam: Now they're just serving cucumbers and dick all over it.

1:21:24Ben Mandelker: So Grace shows up. She goes, I didn't know what we were doing tonight. So I like took my heels off before I came in because it's kind of like pajamas. And I was like, let me go ahead and put my slippers on. But no one did tell me about the fame. Sorry.

1:21:40Ronnie Karam: I'm like, it looks like you're wearing a slip. Yeah, well, this is not the first time that Maddie has done this to me, okay? Like, let's take it back to Folly Beach, all the way back to Folly Beach. It's like 15 minutes ago. Folly Beach. I asked Maddie, I said, what are you wearing? and she told me, oh, I'm just going to wear something casual. And I'm like, okay. So I'll wear something casual. So I wore my hippie pants. And then I get to Folly and she shows up and she's wearing a miniskirt and little pumps. And you know what? That hurt my feelings. That hurt my feelings right there. And now just knowing that everyone else is in pajamas.

1:22:12Ronnie Karam: That's enough reason for me to be upset. I take fashion very seriously. Okay? So do my ancestors.

1:22:18Ben Mandelker: If you take fashion very seriously, why are you asking Maddie Reese for advice?

1:22:23Ronnie Karam: Why are you wearing a hippie pants?

1:22:25Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Yeah. And why, why do you even have heavy pants? So Grace Lee's like, you know, I would, cause Grace is like, I just would have loved some better communication, Molly. Molly's like, okay, that was my bad. You know, cause I would do the same for you. I would have your back if I invited you somewhere. If I invite you to a pajama party, I would tell you about the pajama part.

1:22:47Ronnie Karam: And Mia goes, but that's a nightgown bitch. Like, what are you complaining? and she is wearing what looks like pajamas so it's so weird that she's having a fit and i thought she went home but now i see she didn't go home she just what what did she change

1:23:00Ben Mandelker: her shoes where did she go home she said she took off her shoes i don't i don't know but it just was

1:23:05Ronnie Karam: so funny that she was so hung up on her purse because now she's in slippers i'm so confused

1:23:10Ben Mandelker: she's very hung up about the pajama dress code and she's like really disturbed by it and she's reading a lot into it so molly's like okay thank you guys all for coming to my girls and gays night cheers TJ and Michaels will be having sex shortly um so let's shall we all head to the couch which is also where the kitchen is because it's just a studio apartment okay great alright everyone sit down on the couch okay it's open concept oh my god it's like a circle jerk what do they call it for girls like um scissor circle yeah oh yeah right long circle

1:23:43Ronnie Karam: so everyone's like oh my god your place is so cute blah blah blah so now um they go around Bella who's got a lot of lines today i never would have known it had i not read these notes because every time i'm like who's that um okay go around and everyone say like your ideal type okay so who wants to start and like like all star i like a bad bitch i'm like oh mia's like i love a fucking humongous ass guy

1:24:08Ben Mandelker: he can be a little fat too molly's like guys too soon she's like yeah no i like a guy that's like obsessed with me that will like crawl all over glass for me i want a guy who just a big enormous guile climb over glass. I'm like, okay.

1:24:24Ronnie Karam: I love bleeding fat guys. Basically. So Grace Lily is like, but now I up your ass, right? She goes, no, I love up my ass. Like, not in that way. Not in that way, guys.

1:24:35Ben Mandelker: It cuts you three months from now. So Mia, have you ever done anal? Would you ever consider anal? We're gonna spend 25 minutes on a reunion talking about this one comment because it had something to do with anal.

1:24:47Ronnie Karam: Like, it's like, who has done anal? Jordan's like, I'm accidentally and there are a lot of people like yeah whoops accident accidentally jordan's like

1:24:57Ben Mandelker: i'm so embarrassed is my face red actually good i actually i try to embarrass myself when i run out

1:25:02Ronnie Karam: of rouge so um maddie is saying yeah like i dated like pete davidson timothy chalamet like tattooed skater boys when i was younger but like a sugar daddy you know like cartel members yeah they'll have like cut faces you know like like same common looks you know jawline clean hair i like muscles cartels it's pretty cool it's fun what cartel members i don't know what that's about and then never talk about it again yeah you know like i like skaters cartel members

1:25:37Ben Mandelker: you know how it is yeah i love a hot cartel guy yeah so mia's like wait so molly molly molly what's your type tell me more tj goes um molly thinks a big penis is five inches teehee and michael's goes oh my god and uh because she said last last week she's told tj that she likes a

1:26:00Ronnie Karam: penis that's five and above but then we just find out molly's really stupid because in uh her confessional she's like well how long is five inches like this like no that's like 20 inches song and she's like oh okay then like 20 inches i like 20 inches uh so oh sorry so grace is like yeah well i feel crazy energy right now okay and they're like uh right now maybe it's because the ac came on she's like no because y 'all mercury's in retrograde okay and it's like friction there's like friction in the universe so therefore that's what we're all feeling these things am i right you guys like what are you maddie why are you laughing maddie you're always fucking laughing at me maddie

1:26:47Ben Mandelker: mia's like um i'm all ears right now mercury needs to go into marmalade or whatever and they're like what tj goes lake what why didn't emmy come like so you know it's like mia's like but are you guys besties now she's like yeah i love her i'm lake it's like oh wow so what happened why didn't she

1:27:06Ronnie Karam: come to the big charcuterie party it's like well honestly it all started with me reading her sign because like it literally told me on my app that we're we're like great friends that can bloom and then i started hanging out with her and i started talking to her and like i just like have such a good time with her and um maddie's like that is the most grace literally shit that lake

1:27:28Ben Mandelker: has ever said yeah there's like room to growl and i think there's like a time and place for her and molly to talk but like i don't think this was like the time and place for her there's just like too much pretty charcuterie and she wouldn't be able to handle it she'd have a yeah but like the folly

1:27:43Ronnie Karam: house went so well i'm just like so confused why is she upset it's like well like let's hold people accountable for their actions instead of just fucking letting other people side with her

1:27:53Ben Mandelker: bullshit that's how i feel okay but like can we take it away from the emmy conversation have fun because like that's what we came to do like i don't want to talk about emmy anymore like i'm getting bored.

1:28:05Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I'm bored about it, too. I'm bored about it, too. You were just talking about it, Grace. No, Maddie, shut the fuck up, Maddie. You're annoying, okay? I'm mad at Maddie. I'm mad at Maddie. I'm mad at her. This is a conversation that her and I can have, okay?

1:28:23Ben Mandelker: Is it about the dress? Is it about the pajamas? No, I want to talk about it in front

1:28:26Ronnie Karam: of everybody. I don't want to talk about it.

1:28:28Ben Mandelker: I'm so confused. I'm so confused. Wait. Hear me out. Hear me out. I think Our confusion is that right now You're acting kind of bitchy to Maddie right now

1:28:39Ronnie Karam: Yeah, because right now I'm fucking annoyed with her, alright Maybe it's because I'm annoyed with her Maybe because I should have curlers in my hair And floppy pants on, but I don't I look stupid

1:28:49Ben Mandelker: But you're not wanting to talk about it

1:28:51Ronnie Karam: Yeah, because I don't want to talk about it in front of everyone Just because Maddie's a dumb bitch

1:28:56Ben Mandelker: But then you can't be bitchy to her In front of everybody then

1:28:59Ronnie Karam: Uh-huh, I can if I want to, I don't care I don't care what kind of body of water you are You can't tell me what to do.

1:29:05Ben Mandelker: I get blamed for all of Grace's shortcomings. Like, everything to her is Maddie's fault. She shows up late for my gig. It's my fault. Molly didn't tell her to wear pajamas. It's my fault. I literally rolled up today, and she was pissed at me about rolling up.

1:29:22Ronnie Karam: Like, I know, but like, why? You're not even in pajamas. Like, what's she telling us?

1:29:25Ben Mandelker: I know. I know. Jordan's like, hello. The Rougeless Girl is here to speak. It's my shame, but I will own it. in Grace's defense, I would be pissed if everyone else was in pajamas and I pulled up in a dress as well.

1:29:38Ronnie Karam: Yeah, you know what? You're a real one for saying that, Rouge Lady, because no one else would say it. No one else got the balls to say it, but you do.

1:29:46Ben Mandelker: Grace, what's bothering you?

1:29:48Ronnie Karam: You know what? You're not a reciprocal friend, okay? You don't reciprocate even your plastic bottles. You just throw them in the regular trash and I'm sick of it.

1:30:00Ben Mandelker: I'm just sick kind of sick of everyone saying that maddie is a better friend than me oh wait so i'm the bad

1:30:06Ronnie Karam: friend now like make it make sense yeah you know what maddie prioritizes joe much more she does her girlfriends and it's just like joe gets priority to support maddie in her career but i've always been there for how come i'm not supporting her in her career um the one time you were asked to support her career you showed up like two hours past the time you're supposed

1:30:23Ben Mandelker: to be man yeah i've had the worst couple of months of my life and in these months grace hasn't been there for me, but I'm there for her on a dime. I don't care what cartel I'm hanging out with. I'm catching a plane to be there for Grace. And I'm the bad friend? Like, fuck that.

1:30:40Ronnie Karam: Yeah, you know what, Bev? Everyone always says that I'm a bad friend to you, but how come no one ever says, hey, is Maddie a bad friend to you? How come nobody says that? They don't. Because you got them hypnotized. And you know what? I need to stay quiet before I say something I'm not saying. So you know what? Let me just stop now. I'm just going to stop now. I'm not going to say anymore. Hold on. Maddie, you're a dumb bitch. I hate your guts. Okay, I'm done. That's all I'm going to say. Down your sleeve. I'm not going to say anything. My ancestor hates you. I'm not going to say anything else.

1:31:06Stupid.

1:31:07Ben Mandelker: And that was the To Be Continued. Well, what an interesting episode. What a silly bonkers episode that starts off with serious talk about microaggressions and ends in a spat about not wearing pajamas at the pajama party. It's great. Great times.

1:31:23Ronnie Karam: That's why I love this show. Never change, my friend.

1:31:27Ben Mandelker: It's wonderful.

1:31:28Ronnie Karam: Alright. Well, this was a fun one.

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