#3270 RHOBH S15E14 Part 1: The Masked Zinger

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1:27Ben Mandelker: about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker and joining me today is the one, the only, Ronnie Karam. Hi, Ronnie. How's it going? Sup? We are here to talk about another riveting episode of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Before we get into that, come join us on Patreon. Patreon.com slash watch for crap ins where we have a weekly bonus episode. We talked about our entire weekend at South by Southwest. So that's up there if you want to hear all the different stories and tales. Also, we have a newsletter that's there that's free for everyone, Patreon and non-Patreon alike.

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2:41Ronnie Karam: shopping y 'all it's shopping on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills but we're doing it in Florence first house it's all the same store as they always go to but in Florence. It's like any American that travels. We're like, oh my God, I can't wait to shop in Denver. The Old Navy in Denver is so different. It's like so different here, you guys. They have exclusive things. They have more hoodies.

3:06Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Well, I did hear that retail stores do stock a little bit differently. Oh, yeah. Because, you know, but like... I love how serious we got, guys. Wait, no, hold on a second. I was like, uh-huh.

3:22Ronnie Karam: Yeah, yeah. You'll find a lot of more t-shirts with fish on them in Texas than you will

3:26Ben Mandelker: in LA. But that being said, it's still like Dolce & Gabbana there versus Dolce & Gabbana here. Okay, fine. But yeah, exciting times.

3:36Ronnie Karam: I know Dolce & Gabbana. Okay. So, of course, they opened this store for me. It's like, really? Because there's a lot of strangers in this store. A lot of strangers.

3:45Ben Mandelker: Okay. Congrats to Natalie Fuller for interacting with the show in a way that caused someone to react in a light way. So you finally made it, Natalie.

3:59Ronnie Karam: You know, Natalie reminds me of somebody in an audience, like a Watch What Crapens Live audience when we go tour and we do live shows and stuff. And there's someone who's drunk and they're just like kind of enjoying the show or whatever. And then they start talking back to us and people get mad and they're just like having a conversation with us. but then the second we turn and we're like excuse me would you shut the fuck up they're like why are you talking to me they're like you can hear me i can't believe you can even hear they're like looking around like is he is he talking to me yes i'm talking to you and they're like what that's natalie's look like someone just realized she was there for the first time she's like whoa whoa whoa whoa i thought this was on tv yeah she didn't realize she was actually being filmed as

4:41Ben Mandelker: part of this show so we're here in florence florence beautiful we're in the with the villa and there's you know everyone's getting ready erica is getting her glam done what a shock and she's like gotta look a little florence and boz is choosing between two different outfits she's going iny meeny miny moe catch a killie by the toe um if he hollers support him for the rest

5:07Ronnie Karam: of his life without a job iny meeny my oh fuck it i'm wearing this one i don't care iny miny moe

5:11Ben Mandelker: stupid bitch i'm i'm not listening to you never trust that game stupid game uh kyle's room kyle uh sudden sudden luggage luggage luggage her luggage has not arrived yet so kyle is giving a sudden a egg yolky uh yellow dress and she's like kyle's like oh hold on one second let me take the price tag off okay it's like it's okay i'm not judging and uh the producer kyle's like telling the producers, well, I mean, it's not one of my top two outfits. It was maybe a backup.

5:47Ronnie Karam: Kyle puts dresses in her purse or her luggage that are ugly just in case someone needs one, because there is no way Kyle was going to wear this dress. This dress is hideous. I feel like Kyle was like, Sutton lost her luggage. Production, go get me the ugliest dress you can find, and I'll pretend I brought it. I don't see Kyle in that dress. That shit was ugly and you really do see the difference in quality when they're wearing something like that compared to like the really expensive things because i didn't know that there was really that big of a difference you know i was like clothes are clothes who cares yeah so that one has some lvs all over it why is that worth all the extra money but it is it looks different yeah how poor people what must we look like to these ladies you know they probably just look at us and they're like is bet midler gonna come by and clean that up off the side of the road because that is trash.

6:38Ben Mandelker: We just looked like the ensemble from Les Mis. So the producer is like, we're just like, so Sutton, what's the brand that you're wearing that Kyle gave you? And Sutton goes, I believe it's Salvation Army, but they spelled it Z-A-R-A. Zara? She's trying to be okay with it. She's like, I believe it's Zara. She's not happy. But wasn't it just Rachel recently? Who was wearing Zara? where Rachel's like, Zara, they have like the best stuff. Was it like her sister, Pamela? Was it Kyle? Kyle was, yeah, it was Kyle.

7:12Ronnie Karam: She's like, look at Zara. She's like, yeah, Zara has like great stuff sometimes. I would never wear it. Done for Zara.

7:19Ben Mandelker: Yeah, it's disgusting. Speaking of which, Rachel and Dorit are, they're in Rachel's room. And, you know, Rachel's sort of like, she's really mad because Raj told Kai, Kai and Sky that he has a girlfriend. and it was like not supposed to happen. So Rachel is furious, but she can't do anything because no one's woken up yet back in America.

7:43Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so that could really hurt me to get the text from Kai Kai in the middle of the night about his dad introducing him to the girlfriend. But you know what? What if he's fine? Like he could be fine. I don't want to jump on a plane on the way home. Like that's stupid. Like he could be fine. Maybe he's not fine. I'll just send him to the Hamptons. I'll send him to his nanny, the Hamptons. Everything's okay in the Hamptons. So she decides to go shopping.

8:06Ben Mandelker: Yeah, she's going to shop. She goes to shop until she drops.

8:09Ronnie Karam: I'm so confused about this because weren't they talking about the girlfriend showing up when they were on their way to camp? Like, didn't they already know about the girlfriend?

8:17Ben Mandelker: I think they met her, but they didn't know that she was the girlfriend. Is that possible?

8:22Ronnie Karam: Well, what did they think when Rachel kept saying her? Her who showed up. Her. okay listen guys if you see her and you want to take a baseball bat and hit her like a pinata do it what do they think she meant but um by the way i'm not standing up for roger i'm just confused about like what she's telling the kids and that why they're so surprised that there's a girlfriend because i feel like we've seen them talk about the girlfriend like five times on camera but it's so sad when you hear him crying he's like i want to go home let me go home or let me go to the Hamptons. Yeah, I, um, but we'll get to that.

8:58Ben Mandelker: So, um, the vans arrive, uh, because they're gonna go into town, and, uh, they're gonna shop. Gonna shop and erase all the, all the drama from Raj. So, uh, Kyle, Kathy, and Amanda get into a car, and Kathy is like, oh, you're in a Richard sandwich. Oh. So, I did, um, Jeff Lewis yesterday, and I was on with MJ, and MJ was really upset because she had a story that she wanted to tell on the air, and she didn't get to tell it, but she said that she went to this Threads dinner the other night. By the way, thanks a lot, Threads. Thanks a lot for the non-invite. And she said that there was a waiter who had a tray, a full tray of espresso martinis and he spilled all of them on Kathy Hilton.

9:42Ben Mandelker: Oh no. Someone has a photo or a video somewhere, please. By the way, sorry, MJ, if I scooped your story that you told me, but like I had to be told. It has to be told. and um yeah i have she said it was like all down kathy's back it was just i was like oh of all the people to spill on that's the one kathy hilton no

10:05Ronnie Karam: threads is not going to be going to the kathy hilton christmas party

10:11Ronnie Karam: so um they're talking about dinner plans and amanda's like are you guys even able to eat when dinners get toast because I can't even hate when dinners get toast.

10:25Ben Mandelker: Yeah. For those who are wondering about Amanda's appetite update, there it is. Sometimes I feel like a nut and sometimes I don't. I'm manifesting mounds.

10:37Ronnie Karam: Carl and Kathy both eat more when they're stressed. And in the other car, Jennifer's like, I still can't believe Saturn volunteered to share a room with Amanda. why why don't you do that and then in the rachel sutton and natalie van rachel's like i can't wait

10:56Ben Mandelker: to hear sutton's stance on rooming with amanda and's like well i came up to the room after breakfast this morning and she was on her laptop tapping away on my pillow and we see footage by the way rachel's like not listening she's already in her makeup she's like i can't wait to hear what sudden has to say i wish you were here in this van with us right now does anyone in North Sutton is like, I'm right here. Did you not hear me complain about the tapping on my pillow?

11:22Ronnie Karam: Yeah, we see footage of Amanda being in bed, being like, I need a pillow. Maybe I'll just take her pillow. She won't mind. She does mind. The squinty eyes. It does. The squinty eyes mind.

11:34Ben Mandelker: How do you take someone's pillow? How do you take someone to put their head on and you put your laptop on it? I mean, I'm sure it's not that big of a deal, generally, because it's a laptop, but Sutton doesn't know what's on the bottom of your laptop. Use something else. Use your bag. I actually thought that was so bad that she took her pillow off of Sutton's bed and juiced it under her laptop.

11:52Ronnie Karam: That's not right. Oh, my God. That just gave me anxiety.

11:58Oh, my God.

11:59Ben Mandelker: I need to, like, moisturize, like, Kaya. I'm so anxious. So Sutton, like.

12:03Ronnie Karam: I wanted to ring with Amanda so I could get to know her. You know, like on a chill level. Me. That's me. Sutton Brown. I was about to say.

12:10Ben Mandelker: Sutton, Sutton, who's very familiar with things on a chill level.

12:13Ronnie Karam: You know, not having to talk about her business or manifestation, journaling. Instead, I'm stuck in a room with this woman talking about the book she's writing as she's writing it. I'm like, you know what? Can't we just talk about how cute the Chloe Fall line is and what we're going to buy? Come on. You know what I'm not going to do? I'm not going to listen to somebody topping on my pillow. That's what I'm not going to do.

12:35Ben Mandelker: Come back to us, Sutton Strack. We see glimmers of you. Yeah, Sutton Brown. Nice Sutton Brown. is being replaced by a classic Sutton Strack. You are typing on my pillow. So the groups, they are all like, oh my God, look at Florence. It's beautiful as we drive by. I said, Dorit is like, back to Amanda. Last night, she says the whole thing about how she's so happy I brought up the cult because now she's staring at her new book and she jumped in that matter, like a matter of seconds, like I'm going to spin it into my new book and it's not honest. I am not buying it. I am absolutely not buying that she's going to turn this into a book and I will write about it in my new book, Unburdened.

13:16Ronnie Karam: In my own dishonest book, Unburdened. So now - I like that we've got dueling dishonest books. We've got Amanda talking about youth group like it's a cult. And then we've got Dorinda. Well, I mean, I guess PK was a burden, but still, I cannot wait. Dorinda. I can't wait to hear what Dorit's book is like. And then I realized they had a very glamorous restaurant in the airport in France. It's super cool. Sbarro to eat

13:48Ronnie Karam: Why can't I stop talking about Sbarro this week I've brought up Sbarro like 10 times

13:53Ben Mandelker: You mentioned it so many times I did almost get some pizza In the Austin airport I was like why am I craving pizza Beyond the normal craving of pizza of course I was like oh it's because Ronnie has mentioned Sbarro Like 15 times And you know what don't stop

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17:19Ronnie Karam: Don't worry, we're with Natalie and we're going to get something sexy because Natalie's here. Natalie Fuller, for those of you who don't know, is here on this cast. And she's like, I was thinking we could go see David's wiener while we're here. I'm Natalie. I'm sexy.

17:35Ben Mandelker: I'm sexy and naughty. I just said wiener. Of course, Erica's like, move all the bitch. Come, goddess! Me and I become goddess!

17:48Ben Mandelker: they approach, they go to the statue of David, which, uh, I didn't realize, I guess I did know David was outside, but I also was like, I don't know. It looks so like it was like up against the side of the wall. I don't know. It just felt like it needed to, I thought it'd be a more prominent place.

18:02Ronnie Karam: Yeah. David placement.

18:04Ben Mandelker: Yeah. I want, yeah, that's what I felt like there should have been like, I felt like David chose the wrong house on house hunters. I was like, really? You chose house number two, but it's like, so you said you didn't want to be close to all the traffic. exactly it doesn't meet any of your needs david so one time i think it was during beverly hills

18:22Ronnie Karam: we were talking about going to italy and seeing the statues and like walking away with the feeling of these are small wieners right because like this is a 20 foot tall man why is his wiener one inch and we had this discussion and then we got a lot of comments about it and why that is and they said it was considered really tacky back then to show a big wiener so they made them small like a big dick was like low class or something. That's crazy. I wonder if David was just pissed off about that or if he was like, oh yeah, that's my tiny winner. I'm a classy David.

18:56Ben Mandelker: Societal norms are awful sometimes. You know, I think I also told, I think when we were talking about this, I talked about how I went to the British Museum in London and they have a David replica and it's enormous and hot as fuck because I walked in from behind and so I didn't even know it was a David replica. All I saw was a giant foot and the most beautiful calf I'd ever seen. I was like, this is calf goals right here. Of course, it was so tall. And then there was this butt, the beautiful back. I was like, wow. And I turned around and I was like, guess what? It's David. I was like, oh, now I understand why David is a thing.

19:27Ben Mandelker: Because you see the statue. It's a hot statue. Good for him.

19:31Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Why so many people are named David. Every parent is like, I want a kid with a body like that. My hell, I'll rule the world.

19:40Ben Mandelker: Well, what was interesting is that when I saw that replica, and it's like an old replica. It's literally from like 900 AD. But I saw the replica. Those were the days, am I right? Yeah. And I was reading actually the plaque about it.

19:52Ronnie Karam: When kids could still play outside.

19:55Ben Mandelker: But one thing that was so interesting that I didn't, when I looked at the plaque, one thing that was so, what was fascinating to me is that Michelangelo, when he made it, he was like, I want the patrons of Florence, of the Renaissance, to make sure they notice the cum gutters. So it's so funny that Erica really picked up on that because that was part of the design.

20:15Ronnie Karam: Erica's the real art aficionado here. She's like, oh yeah, everybody notice the cum gutters. I was like, only someone who dates thin men would say that because to anybody chubby, your cum gutter is your belly button. And it's disgusting. We don't brag about it. So Boz is like, I'm sorry, what did you say? She's like, the cum gutters, come on. Look at the cum gutters. And so, but they're all trying to figure it out. And Pills is like, coming in, cum gutter? What is a cum gutter? And Doreen's like, what is a cum gutter exactly?

20:50Ben Mandelker: Oh, cum grande. Which is, I'm cum gutters.

20:55Ronnie Karam: I know what a cum sputter is. That's a pique. He goes, oh, oh. And then you wait. Well, it bleep, bleep. Sort of short spot, unburdened. I'm unburdened. That's the point.

21:09Ben Mandelker: I know about eight gutters, as in PK ate something out of the gutter. Jennifer's like, is that a penis? And Amanda's like, does that mean, like, pubes? By the way, what is... Why would you ever think pubes are a cum gutter? Even if you don't know what a cum gutter is, what... She's just... She's awful. I didn't know what a cum gutter was.

21:28Ronnie Karam: Did you? I never heard the term cum gutter.

21:31Ben Mandelker: I did. Yeah, yeah. You did. It's... I think... I don't think it's like... See? But I'm not, goodness, I definitely don't have a cum gutter, though. Or I don't have two.

21:43Ronnie Karam: No, I said you date a thin person.

21:45Ben Mandelker: Oh, I thought you said I'm a thin person. I was like, oh, no.

21:48Ronnie Karam: Well, you are a thin person, but you're not a cum gutter person. You're not like a. I don't have any. You don't work out to that degree. But you are thin. You're very good looking. I'm not saying you're ugly. I'm just saying you date like a very built man, you know.

22:00Ben Mandelker: Yes.

22:01Ronnie Karam: I'd imagine.

22:02Ben Mandelker: I have witnessed them but I have yet to actually have my own it's like seeing a sports car not that I want one but it's more like a very fancy Kia that's something to aspire to

22:16Ronnie Karam: some people have washboard abs and I have a laundry bag so I feel like we go together

22:23Ben Mandelker: I have a whirlpool I don't need a washboard I've got a whirlpool machine right there and it is constantly swirling so Erica says That's those muscles right there, baby. The cum comes out, it goes down the gutters because those muscles are deep. What are the odds that before Erica went out, she was in glam and she was like, yeah, we're going to go see the statue of David. And then her makeup artist was like, oh my God, he's got cum gutters. Oh my God, what the fuck are you talking about? You know, when you jerk off on yourself and the cum goes right down those gutters, bitch. Okay, I'm going to use that.

22:57Ronnie Karam: Yeah, Erica's personality comes from some gay guy. so uh mikey it's mikey uh who we haven't seen right have we seen mikey yet where's mikey free mikey literally that's what they started calling because she doesn't pay him anymore he fell down a well it's like free mikey he fell down a well there's some dog we got trying to

23:17Ben Mandelker: save him she's like what what are you saying dog mikey fell down a well is he having sex down there don't bother him

23:27Ronnie Karam: so we go to Sutton and she's like I don't know that word and I've been trained by gay men my whole life so I haven't heard that one sorry

23:34Ben Mandelker: Sutton you have not been trained by gay men we'll tell you that right now I think she meant ballet right oh that's true Merce Merce

23:44Ronnie Karam: doesn't sound the same does it

23:47Ben Mandelker: Merce is in the cum cutter uh Kathy says did you see his hands and feet the saw is wow where it's like nothing just yeah i mean um uh just think of those warm hands and those big giant feet like the jolly green giant but like very white jolly white giant a nice stroll on the bridge with david that'd be nice him putting you on his shoulders feeling the breeze in the water wait him putting you on his shoulders where you're what are you like seven feeling the breeze water trickling down your thighs down to your knees your feet are wet realize that you've

24:22Ronnie Karam: Sorry, I spilled some espresso martinis on you.

24:26Ben Mandelker: Your feet are wet because David crashed into a waiter carrying a tray of espresso martinis. As he's drawn to shoulders, your feet are the things that hit the martinis first.

24:35Ronnie Karam: The waiter tripped over his big feet. So, Jennifer. So, anyway. So, now they're walking around, you know, all pondering cum gutters. As we all are. And they see these handcrafted Pinocchio figurines. and Kathy's like, look at the Pinocchios. I want to get some Pinocchios. And then we see Plague Doctor masks. Plague in Italy. It's like...

25:00Ben Mandelker: They're really... You know, let the good times roll. There's little masks that are like masquerade masks but has the long nose, like a Woody Woodpecker nose that comes forward, you know, that you see in all those masquerade balls.

25:11Ronnie Karam: I love that Italy's like, oh, enjoy your time in gorgeous Italy. Remember the plague? Okay. Chanel's that way.

25:19Ben Mandelker: Remember the plague? It's Candace Luann as the official Italian tourist. I used to be, I used to do game shows here. Remember the plague? That's what the game show was called. P is for the way you plague with me. Line? L, Luann, L.

25:37Ronnie Karam: You just started the word. I'm sorry I called you a pedophile. No, Luann, it's a different song. So then Amanda is telling us what the actual, Oh, so Natalie's like, yeah, I mean, look at those masks. I mean, who would be our Pinocchio? And Bo's goes, Amanda, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, which is rude. That's so shitty. And she's standing right next to Amanda, you know? So it was kind of one of those like, ha, ha, ha, maybe Amanda probably heard me call her Pinocchio. I'm surprised that came out of Bo's because I'd like Bo's like, no nonsense, call it like it is type thing.

26:11Ronnie Karam: but I don't think I've ever known her to be just like kind of mean girling somebody. I thought that was not without a character. I thought,

26:21Ben Mandelker: I thought it was fine. Uh, it was shade. She gave some shade. I thought it was, they all give shade.

26:27Ronnie Karam: I was surprised to hear something like that from Bose. Cause she seems like above it.

26:31Ben Mandelker: I was,

26:32Ronnie Karam: I was happy. I was happy to hear it from Bose.

26:35Ben Mandelker: And I was, it's so funny because I wasn't like,

26:39Ronnie Karam: Oh, I'm writing you a demerit. I laughed. I was just surprised it was from her. If it was from Sutton or Dorit or literally anybody else, I would have been like, oh, whatever, some light shade. But coming from Bose, I was like, oh, my God. I thought I was proud of her. Above it.

26:55Ben Mandelker: I was proud of her because I feel like Bose, in her confessional, she can be a little bit of a, she shows potential for being a shade assassin. So I was happy for her to have a shady moment. And I love that this stupid little comment about, who would be a Pinocchio in the group? Amanda is like now gonna be a thing and it turns into a thing at the end of the episode and it's just so funny that literally you know there's been a lot of talk about Miami being put on pause while Beverly Hill goes forward you have one show where you have Adriana saying she had sex with a Haitian mortician and had to give him a coffee maker forgot about that bitch and you have

27:35Ronnie Karam: a show you miss my pussy

27:38Ben Mandelker: yeah you have a show like Salt Lake City that's like, your husband has one foot in the grave and the other foot on a banana peel. And then it's like, people say, they just go for the jugular, right? And then in this show, it's like, who'd be like a Pinocchio? Amanda. It's like, whoa! Whoa! It's the biggest controversy of the

27:59Ronnie Karam: year. It's just crazy. So Amanda's like, what the fuck? I'm like right here. I'm like right here. Okay, well, you are right there, so why don't you turn around and say, what'd you say? I'm Pinocchio? What the fuck?

28:13Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Instead of running

28:15Ronnie Karam: to Kyle and getting a script to go carry forward and making it a huge thing. What are you, five? Just turn around and say something.

28:24Ben Mandelker: Well, just when you thought there might be something happening, it's time to go shopping. So they're going to split up, guys, because Sutton and Bose and Jennifer are going to go to Dolce. I could only get us three spots into Dolce so it'll be just us. Because if Dolce and Gabbana, if there's one thing Dolce and Gabbana is known for, it's that they don't like accommodating several famous people. Only three at a time.

28:48Ronnie Karam: Yeah. It's like the teacher said,

28:50Ben Mandelker: you're only allowed to bring in three because we need to split up the groups so you guys can talk shit about each other and then come back together and compare notes and get mad. Yeah.

28:58Ronnie Karam: So Jennifer is like, we can get you new clothes, that's in, since your suitcase hasn't arrived. And so they go in to shop for new clothes for her. and Sutton's like, well, Bose has picked on my clothes before, so I thought I would bring her into my lair and see if she has the balls to make fun of my clothes in front of a DJ. That's what I call them. We're friends.

29:20Ben Mandelker: And a flashback to watch what happens live in case the audience, who's very invested in this situation, want to know, did Bose really make fun of Sutton's clothing? It's like, I mean, no shade, but if she got her fashion together, homegirl would be pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. So then, and Andy's like, wow. So now we go back to Dolce & Gabbana and they are greeted by another Stefano because apparently they only are going to meet people named Stefano. And then they guess what? It's time to shop. Jennifer's like, I already see something that I like. So she disappears and Stefano's like, Bjorn Giorno, can I get you guys something fresh to drink?

29:57Ben Mandelker: And so like, I would love something fresh to drink. That would be lovely. as someone who had her pillow typed on i need a refreshment to drink away the memory of that

30:06Ronnie Karam: vicious image now i've known dolce and gabbana for gosh over 10 years now and of course they're going to open up their doors for me because that's what friends would do that's what friends would do they're not your friends you're rich okay and they're sponges they are sponges they're probably just gay guys named stefano who put on wigs the second they see you coming wearing pinocchio masks they are not friends they are gross okay and you're a rich lady so bose is uh bose tells us well the expectation is to just spend as much money as they would have made if their doors were open that day so ka-ching ka-ching baby so champagne shows up and they're drinking

30:50Ben Mandelker: and um you know now the other group of shoppers which is rachel kyle erica dorit amanda kathy Natalie they go to other stores oh my god Antonio Maras and oh my god look at this clothing and Amanda is like this is a cute set oh yeah that could work it's it's just browsing it's browsing

31:10Ronnie Karam: it's nice it's beautiful beautiful clothing so they're back at speak to me as I call them um Jennifer is picking up a leopard print high heel and she's like oh this shoe snarls This shoe's like a shoe, but it goes like this. I go, okay. So she's pecking out dresses, and she's like, I'm going to whisper you my size, Stefano. Okay, yeah. And probably a size up too as well.

31:37Ben Mandelker: And then the other store, Rachel's trying on a jacket. She's like, this jacket is life. I came out of my mother's stomach wearing this dress. I'm like wearing this dress, this jacket out of my mother's womb. I was like, I've arrived. I'm like dead. I'm dead. I cannot believe this. Look how chic I look, mother. I like, I can't. I live here now. I live here in the hospital. I live here. I love it. I'm never going back. By the way, she looks insane in this thing that she's wearing.

32:05Ronnie Karam: It's a black caftan with fur all over, not fur, feathers all over it. And like big, like pasted on flowers on the front. She looks like a five-year-old dressed in her mom's funeral outfit. She looks cray-cray.

32:20Ben Mandelker: I enjoyed it personally. I just thought it was, I enjoyed it looking kind of crazy, but that's what matters most is, did Rachel enjoy it? And I think she did. And Rachel was like, my shopping process anywhere is going to be the same. Go hard and fast. And I have this thing when I'm in Europe, which is that like, God, it's so much better than Beverly Hills, but also money is like, not real. Like actually, Like, actually, like, it doesn't count if I spend money over here because it's in euros, right? Yeah.

32:56Ronnie Karam: So then Dorit is talking about a baggy beige outfit she wants. And Rachel's like, love it. You know what? I'd love you in some menswear. So do it. You can do it better than Kyle. Kyle tries, though. She tries. And Kyle's like, the thought of shopping in Florence, oh, my God. It, like, gets me. I love shopping. I can shop anywhere. I love shopping. That's my whole person. Shopping. Shopping. Shopping.

33:19Ben Mandelker: I could shop in like Florence and I can shop in Milan. Like I just could shop anywhere. I love it so much. And God, now they leave. It's like time to go somewhere else. It's like Louis Vuitton, Bottega over there. I'm still processing, by the way, I'm still processing what you told me in the store, Amanda, 15 minutes earlier. These were there, these masks hanging on one of the market kiosks. And Bose said, look, it's Amanda, the mask, the mask is Amanda. Shut up oh my god This is like one of the most vicious things That anyone could ever say we should probably have a confrontation About this later in the episode

33:55Ronnie Karam: I'm a little shocked like Who exactly did she say that to And she's like uh I think Erica was standing right there And um I think Natalie You were standing right there right And Natalie's like uh what Um did she hear Both when she saw a mask and she Said look it's Amanda And she goes, um, I did see that. Yes. So I heard it right. She goes, yes. Wait, wait, wait, wait, stop, stop. Wait. She saw a mask and she said, look, there's Amanda. Is that what you heard? She goes, well, I mean, she was joking. Yeah, she was joking. I heard her joking.

34:36Ben Mandelker: Natalie was just called upon at the meeting or on the Zoom and she was just checking her phone. She was like just looking at like Twitter. and she's like uh yes i did see that there was a joke what are we talking about again come gutters um so natalie's like yeah i do think it was i i think i mean i was like it was just a joke but i like it wasn't a nice joke it was insinuating that i'm fake and natalie's like but i do think it was just a joke because you can tell natalie also cannot stand amanda because she's like uh-uh you're not gonna make me like turn against both who i like okay like it was a joke get over

35:11Ronnie Karam: it well and also like oh my god at it so she's like part of her must have been thinking well aren't you mad at me i laughed at the joke like why is it you're all going for bows and not me like we were making fun of you together it was a team it was a team thing but natalie's just like uh-huh well i do think it was just a joke and so kyle turns her whole body and she's like there's no way you can spin that into being a funny joke i mean come on literally you can literally you can

35:38Ben Mandelker: um also kyle who when kyle does make by the way kyle makes these kind of jokes all the time like how many times per season does kyle make a shitty little joke where she'd be the one like it's amanda and like and then she will actually when she gets called out on it she will often be like it's a joke i mean come on well we can't joke anymore sorry about that like this is so and by the way i would also like to add that this is so much lighter than what uh kyle said about rachel zo in the Hamptons saying, well, you know what? She wonders why her marriage didn't work out when she cheated on Raj right before her wedding day and she will go on the reunion when she gets called out about that and be like, it was just a joke.

36:18Ben Mandelker: What's the big deal? So for Kyle to be like, there's no way you could ever spin that into being a funny joke. I'm like, this was not about 9-11. It was a joke. I'm saying something you cannot spin into a joke very easily.

36:37Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And Natalie's like, well, I'm not trying to spin anything. She goes, well, I'm saying, like, you can say it's a joke, but, like, that was not meant to be nice, Natalie. And she's like, well, I'm just saying that I heard it. Well, if someone said that about me, my feelings would be really hurt. Like, that would really hurt my feelings. And Natalie's like, you know, like, I think there's this idea that I'm not authentic because I don't show enough emotion. But, like, I just see it as me being emotionally regulated and calm. oh, and Natalie goes, well, why do you think people say that? She goes, I love when she said that.

37:11Ronnie Karam: Natalie's just looking at her like, why do I have to shoot with her? Isn't it bad enough I'm just like a friend of and get nothing to do on this show?

37:19Ben Mandelker: Yeah, and like Natalie clearly does not like this girl. And she's like, well, so why do you think people say that all the time? She goes, well, I've never heard it before this in my life. I'm like, yeah, because it's being set behind your back. Okay. So Kyle's like, I don't know if this is coming out because Dorit doesn't like Amanda, but it feels really juvenile and mean. I'm like, okay, Kyle. Kyle, who is often the icon of maturity in this group.

37:44Ronnie Karam: I mean, look, I don't disagree. I thought it was mean, too, but I just don't understand why Amanda didn't just turn to her and go, hey, why did you call me Pinocchio in my own Florence? You know, or something. Like, she should have said something. Like, to take it to Kyle is so weak, I think. And then Kyle to act like her regulator and her enforcer is really stupid. It's not even your business, Kyle. And you don't want to go up against Bose because Bose is not afraid of your ass. So I would just back right down, Kyle.

38:14Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I'm not saying it was nice. Of course it wasn't nice. But it wasn't like, it wasn't the worst thing in the world. It was run-of-the-mill shadiness that you'd get on a Real Housewives show. And Amanda should have just been like, what the fuck? Like you said, she should have said, what the fuck? and honestly even if she processes it later and it's like you know what I was thinking about that and it actually upset me then the way you say it is you know what that was kind of fucked up and I'm going to say something to her about it because that's like fucked up not like why would she say that like it's like why like I'm not fake

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40:32Ronnie Karam: So then we go back to Dolce. Of course, well, not before Kyle's like, I can't believe she said that. You're going to say something to her, right? You're going to say it because that's all Kyle does. By the way, people were, we got quite a few comments last week of people who were like, I cannot believe you didn't talk about the leaf on Kyle's bus.

40:49Ben Mandelker: I didn't see it last time, but I saw it this time

40:51Ronnie Karam: in the previous lease. I just thought it was funny. Carl was walking away from that scene like, you can't make a cat a dog. While she had like a little tail in between her butt.

41:01Ben Mandelker: It's like a little leafy thing. Leaf has been acknowledged. Now we go back to Dolce & Gabbana. And now, guess what? Jennifer and Boz are both wearing purple print dresses. And Jennifer then says, when I'm in Dolce and Gabbana, I'm so happy like the world is full of possibility.

41:24Ronnie Karam: You walk in an ordinary girl and you walk out with bags and bags of stuff that will make you more glamorous like Italian type woman. And so she's just having the time of her life. Yes. They all leave. They're spending thousands of dollars or whatever. And then Dorit is in a new outfit. Dorit's just one of those people who will walk out wearing the outfit, I need to wash something. I can't be just wearing your old navy smell. Do you think rich people clothes smell better when you buy them? Like, are they pre-washed and perfumed or what?

41:59Ben Mandelker: Maybe. I also, I mean, I generally, I don't often walk out wearing the clothing I just bought, but I've done it before because you're like, this looks so good. I just need to be wearing this right now.

42:09Ronnie Karam: You've done that. I get it. I've been shopping with you where you will buy something and put it on. And I just don't, I mean, I don't know.

42:15Ben Mandelker: it smells so weird to me i can't do it i think yeah i i don't i'm kind of like hey world do you want to see me wearing a shirt that has a crease going a vertical crease going from my shoulder to my waist it's happening because i'm wearing this right now i wonder if it's like an old navy

42:32Ronnie Karam: specific smell that i can't wear because i did go to my version of dolce and gabbana banana republic yesterday to me they're so fancy now banana republic they're like would you like a 200 dollar shirt not really are you fucking crazy you're banana republic but you bananas 50 huh are you bananas come on bananas i just didn't hear you so um yeah so anyway i bought this nice shirt in there and i was like i can wear this it doesn't even stink and then it got me thinking is it because it was more expensive maybe actually chomp on guys chomp on that one

43:09Ben Mandelker: yeah um but by the way banana republic is so cute right now it used to be like it went through this like 15 year period where it was just like stuff you'd wear to the office and now they have the cutest stuff whatever they're doing and they're keep doing it and uh banana and sbarro's if banana you can join get in line behind sbarro's to be the sponsor of this podcast people

43:29Ronnie Karam: i was like why does this banana republic shirt smell like sbarro i'm eating a sbarro okay

43:35Ben Mandelker: you're like you're just you just have a piece of pizza on your shirt um so okay bottega so dorit is uh they're like waiting for dorit and she's she's not only checking out but she's like talking to the person at the at the front and she's and they're like

43:52Ronnie Karam: come on come on dorit we only have one hour hurry up come on that gum's going down the gutter I'm literally peeing. I'm peeing right now. Hold on, I'm talking to my new friend. A butcher dulce vita croissant croissant.

44:09Ben Mandelker: I really enjoy shopping. It's entertainment. It's like leisure. It's my exercise. I mean, I love it. I want to take my time. Gee, I love looking at pretty things and saying, oh, should I or shouldn't I?

44:23Ronnie Karam: Will my credit card work? Won't my credit card work? So then Erica's just getting pissed off And she's standing by the door like I ain't taking this shit, I'm gonna walk away I'm gonna just walk the fuck away From fucking Dorit Just go, why are you standing there? It's so weird So Dorit spends 3 ,862 yasta And Erica's like Come on, Jesus Christ So Kathy's like I'm just gonna go out and walk on my own Okay, bye

44:54Ben Mandelker: This just in 5150 has been called on Dorit for spending $3 ,000 in Italy oh my god she's lost her mind

45:02Ronnie Karam: she's manic

45:04Ben Mandelker: I'm like really concerned that she paid as much money for her clothing as really the rest of the cast did for all the things that they bought um so uh they are uh Erica like almost falls over but she doesn't by the way we didn't talk about the fact that Erica has her hair like in an updo and she's wearing this leopard she's basically like in right out before Renna found fashion. Yeah, put the picture up. Erica's like, it's almost like, well, someone very soon thinks that she's -

45:34Ronnie Karam: It's 100 % Patsy Stone from Absolutely Fabulous. And I thought, you know, that is very Erica to be like, I'm going to pull a gay icon moment. Like, no. But she did look great, I thought. But it was very Patsy Stone. But Patsy Stone is famously modeled off Ivana Trump.

45:50Ben Mandelker: Yeah, it all comes together. so Dorit and Rachel

45:56Ben Mandelker: Dorit and Rachel finally leave the store and Rachel's like by the way Dorit Caius called earlier flashback and we see that Caius is on the phone with Rachel and she's like Kai are you okay she's like no oh my god Kai go to the Hamptons if you need to go to the Hamptons go to the Hamptons guys get into the Hamptons stop I'm like I love I know that her parents live out there But there is also so Rachel Zoe to be like, when my family's in crisis, I just send them to the Hamptons.

46:28Ronnie Karam: I know. When I was a little kid and didn't want to stay in school, I'd go to the nurse and then I'd call crying. I'd be like, I'm sick. And then I would go to my city's house, my grandma. And then I would play cards all day with her and her two sisters, Georgette and Louisa, and watch another world and Days of Our Lives. So that's what I got to do. I could imagine like going to the nurse and your mom being like oh my god you're sick okay I'm spending I'm sending special forces in they're taking you to the Hamptons

46:58Ben Mandelker: okay everyone we're gonna need to have an emergency landing please clear the runway Caius is coming to the Hamptons he needs to be there he needs to be restored okay thanks he's gonna go he's gonna go to common grounds um by the way did you speaking of your your city etc did you see that we got an email from the Canasta guy.

47:17Ronnie Karam: What? What's a Canasta guy?

47:20Ben Mandelker: Did you not see this? I thought I forwarded it to you.

47:22Ronnie Karam: No, and do you know I have Canasta tonight with my mom's friends? It's a Canasta fan.

47:28Ben Mandelker: I'm telling you about this right now. So when we did our Amazon Live a few weeks ago, you highlighted a Canasta set because we were talking about Canasta and how it's important to your family. The inventor of that Canasta set saw it and sent us an email and he was like, you know what i love this clip you guys cracked me up and i invented this canasta set for my grandma or my mother or something like that like i did it for her and like so like it means a lot the point is like the president of canasta reached out and he like you should respond to him

48:00Ronnie Karam: oh my god the president of canasta deluxe game set

48:06Ben Mandelker: yeah the canasta mr canasta called and he's like my god i'm writing him back right now

48:12Ronnie Karam: Ramon Gonzalez, founder. Ramon Gonzalez, get out of my dreams and into my car. Okay?

48:20Ben Mandelker: As a gamer, I'm so happy for you right now that Mr. Canasta reached out to you. I came to Ramon Gonzalez. And you better brag about it tonight at Canasta. I'd be like, hey, hey, mom, just want you to know, I know the guy who made this Canasta set.

48:40Ben Mandelker: The power, the power of media. Yeah, you know? So while, yeah, so Sutton may know Dolce and Gabbana, we know a guy who made a Canasta set.

48:50Ronnie Karam: Yeah, you know what? We can get Canasta sets because we've been friends for years. That's what friends do for each other. You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to play Canasta.

48:59Ben Mandelker: That's what I'm going to do. Oh my God. Someone send Sky to the Hamptons. This is too much. This is like too much drama for him. Send him to the Hamptons. Get him safe. Take him to a safe place.

49:08Ronnie Karam: I wrote. I just saw this. I'm so excited. Send it over. My mom will die. Thanks so much, Ramon. I'm beside myself. I'm just writing about it. I love Rachel.

49:19Ben Mandelker: And Rachel's like, whoever we're impersonating, it's like, I wish you had been like, just talking to Reap Voice, like, gee, did you think that I would just roll over because you have a Canasta set? You know, for me, playing cards is more than just accepting a free Canasta set. It's about looking at the cards, touching the cards, enjoying the cards, thinking, should I play the card? Should I not play the card? It's a lot more than that.

49:39Ronnie Karam: Hey, Ramon, I just saw your email. about canasta and thank you for attaching your picture love the cum gutters you want to get canasty with me oh how about let's talk about canasta and more talk about cum nasty how yeah

49:59Ben Mandelker: that was like one of the like that was actually like a really mean thing to send over and like do you think you're gonna like talk to like bows about your canasta set because like i think you should.

50:11Ronnie Karam: All right. So back to the show, Dorit and Rachel are walking along together and Rachel's like, honestly, most of the ride over here was a thing. Cause Sutton was like on fire. She was weird with me because she thinks you and I are so close. So we see evidence of this three hours earlier in the van when Rachel is talking to Dorit on the phone and Sutton's like, well, you know, I think that Dorit can be released of her separation anxiety for about 30 minutes. Hey, maybe she can be without you. for my, for my, okay? Yeah,

50:42Ben Mandelker: you know, Rachel does not respond well, like, basically, like, Dorit is a little, sort of like, kisses Rachel's ass, and Sutton is basically like, like, whatever, right? Like, like, Sutton's basically mocking the fact that Rachel has, like, a kiss ass, and like, Rachel's gonna take care of kiss asses, like, she's gonna take care of her, her people, right? And so she's like, don't come for Dorit, right? Because like, That's what it is. And I just think it's so fast. I find the way Rachel operates in this group to be fascinating because I, excuse me, I've really grown to enjoy Rachel on the show.

51:18Ben Mandelker: I think she's, she's doing a really good job in like a very low key way, but she is a cool girl. And I'm not saying she's a mean girl, but she is a cool girl. And it's interesting how she gravitates towards other cool girls and create separation from the non cool girls. And there's like one of son's issues over the past several years is that she's always wanted to be in with the cool girls, but she never can quite get there. And there's just, she puts out an energy and obviously Rachel has picked up on it. Yet another person has picked up on it where Rachel's like, yeah, Sutton's cool. She's not coming to Hamptons with me.

51:51Ben Mandelker: And like now she's creating separation with Sutton now all of a sudden.

51:55Ronnie Karam: She's like, I shouldn't have to justify my relationship with you. I mean, this is another one. I was like, that wasn't really a big deal. I think Sutton was like, fucking Dorit. Jeez. Calling you every two seconds. So Dorit's like, well, Sutton did the same thing last year. She was jealous that booze and I were becoming fooms. And Rachel's like, well, I can't do like petty mean girl shit. That's what you're doing right now. Sutton made like one little comment. I mean, it's like so many little comments in this episode that are like getting huge, but that's Beverly Hills, right? So Rachel's like, yeah, it was a thing.

52:29Ronnie Karam: But like also the cult thing, like Sutton has a problem with you Googling and digging up someone's past.

52:34Ben Mandelker: But like that's, that was Rachel's thing though. Wasn't Rachel earlier in the season like, I don't like Google. I don't like look up people. Am I crazy? Didn't she say that earlier in the season to us? Right? Am I crazy? Am I crazy?

52:48Ronnie Karam: I don't know.

52:49Ben Mandelker: I don't remember.

52:51Ronnie Karam: I feel like I'm around in a cum gutter right now. I can't tell. So two and a half hours earlier in the van, Sutton's talking to Natalie and Rachel, and it doesn't seem like they're really listening to her, as usual with Sutton. And Sutton's like, well, this morning, Colin and I talked to Amanda and Dorit, and she was digging up this cult information, and we were like, aren't you bothered by this? Oh, Sutton, why are you doing this? None of this has anything to do with you, Sutton. Get a life.

53:22Ben Mandelker: Well, but no, but yes, but like, I think Sutton's just telling a story of like, Amanda has to stop being so passive and wimpy and simpering and passive aggressive. And just like, if people, if people upset you, stand up for yourself. Like, that's, that's what I think Sutton was trying to say here. But Rachel's takeaway was like, wow, Sutton doesn't like that you looked up shit on Amanda. And I'm like, I don't think that's what Sutton was really expressing in that moment. Right?

53:49Ronnie Karam: right yeah i think she was she was like oh how can someone google you this is really bugging sutton but it wasn't even the google it's on her blog like they weren't hiring they didn't pay the twenty dollars you know what i mean for the for the the people that when you investigate and you're like get me information like if you pay us twenty dollars whatever it's not like they paid the twenty dollars she went she did a simple google search i don't think that's a big deal well either way

54:15Ben Mandelker: either way Dorit's saying I wasn't digging up anything and Rachel's like I think Sutton thought it was low and using the cult as like a thing as like a weapon and I'm like I again I actually I'm going to defend Sutton on this a little bit I do think that like I mean Sutton is like does not like the googling you see her say it a little bit later but I think the gist of what she was trying to say in the car in that moment was more like she says we talked to Amanda and like gosh aren't you upset that this happened like because Sutton's whole thing for the past few episodes is Amanda grow a backbone and if you don't like something you've got to stand up for yourself because right we're trying to help you be part of this group but like Rachel's takeaway was like wow like Rachel made it sound like Sutton was primarily there to talk shit about to read and I just don't think that son was

55:05Ronnie Karam: because sudden Sutton and Kyle even went to Amanda to be like fight to read weren't you fighting to read like you should be fighting her you should tell her mind your own fucking business so Sutton was telling them the story of how they were trying to do that. And it's like so obvious that they're just trying to start a fight. They're trying to have Amanda confront Dorit and Dorit's like, well, I thought I was friends with Sutton. So why is she now trying to make this girl fight with me? So I think, yeah, I mean, they were, they are trying to do a proxy battle,

55:32Ben Mandelker: but I think in that moment when Sutton was telling that story, I think Rachel took a smaller part of that story and turned it into something that was bigger than I think it really was when we, when we saw the clip. Okay.

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