#3271 RHOBH S15E14 Part 2: The Masked Zinger

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1:54Ben Mandelker: Hello, and welcome to Watch What Crapins, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. This is part two of the recap. If you missed part one, go check out your podcast feed. It's right there. And without further ado, let's get right back into the recap.

2:07Ronnie Karam: So, um, Dorit's like, oh, fuck off! Well, I'm surprised by this because Sutton and I had turned to Q &A. You're doing so real.

2:17Ben Mandelker: It's like, now I understand why Sutton really, really sought out to room with Amanda. Kyle and Amanda are thick as thieves. And Sutton is thinking, shit, am I on the wrong side? I got to get back on their side. So she's willing to sabotage our friendship, that shit that has made leaps and boons, just to score points with Kyle. And it's really pathetic. I think that is actually also a good theory. I think, yes, I think Sutton, for whatever reason, has, like, some hard-on for Kyle. She just wants Kyle's approval. It's some psychological void that she has. that she carries with her since middle school of needing to be accepted by the queen bee.

2:57Ben Mandelker: And I do think some of that is true.

2:59Ronnie Karam: I do too. Yeah. And I thought it was weird that Sutton is suddenly, she's like, let's be friends to read. And then she's like, yell at Dorit, yell at Dorit. She's got this whole thing in Italy where she wants to see Dorit yelled at. So Rachel's like, you know what we need? Caffeine and Gucci.

3:18Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I'd die for that. Oh my God. Can you send some caffeine and Gucci to Caius in the Hamptons? I think actually at one point she does say she, she does get Gucci and she gets Gucci bracelets for the kids. Um, so by the way, I have to say this may be, uh, from the, uh, this may be naive Ben who doesn't have kids, but if I have a 13 year old boy, I'm not getting him a Gucci bracelet. Hell no. He's going to get a slap bracelet at most, a swatch. I don't know, but I'm not giving you a designer bracelet when you're 13 and watching you scuff it up or lose it, right? No siree.

3:55Ronnie Karam: Well, we're not rich, you know. That's how rich people are. I'll just get him a little bobble, a little Gucci bobble. He deserves that. He went best moisturized in school, so he gets that. So Jennifer, Eric, and Bo's Natalie are in a van. And Eric is like, a woman told me I look like a monotrope. I can't even begin to tell you how that made me feel good. Probably good, actually. But Natalie, tell the group what you told me about Tega. She's like, well, Amanda was sharing with Kyle that she overheard you and Bo say something about a mask when we were on the Brit. Masks? What are you talking about?

4:28Ronnie Karam: I said, look, there are those masks. I remember that. And I said, that's a cum mask. So we come all over the mask. So you don't get COVID. We're still trying to take a load on the face.

4:41Ben Mandelker: I thought I was the sexy one. And I thought you said her name referencing a joke of some kind. No, I did not say Amanda's name in reference to a damn mask. She's like, well, we're so obsessed with Amanda, by the way. So the, it's all getting distorted here because, because it was Natalie who said like, who would be the Pinocchio? And Bo said, Amanda. And like Pinocchio means like, you know, the nose coming out the liar. Right. But now they're talking specifically about like the conversation was about masks. And yes, the Pinocchio was a mask, but they're making it seem like they were having a discussion about masks and who would be the most masked person and so i think boz is like i don't i don't remember even having this conversation

5:21Ronnie Karam: so do you think boz is being like a literalist where it's like well i didn't say anything about the mask i said something about pinocchio so if you say i said something about the mask i didn't say something about the mask or do you think she just doesn't remember at all i think it's all of

5:35Ben Mandelker: the above i think she's being an accidental literalist i think because i think if they said no remember about the Pinocchio who'd be the Pinocchio and you said Amanda she'd be like oh yes that but because they're not they didn't phrase it like that they phrase it so it's almost sound like a little bit of a different conversation I think she sort of doesn't remember because she's thinking too literally about it in this moment so I think I think she looked genuinely confused I

5:56Ronnie Karam: thought I didn't think it was fake I thought we all know she said I thought she did too but she did say it and I'm also like well she's not dumb she would remember saying that so is she just being like well i didn't literally say mask and it's such a stupid thing like honestly i cannot believe this fucking show and now you know the next six weeks of our lives we have to talk about this because it's going to be every reunion it's going to be every five minutes on this show we're gonna have to argue about this for six more weeks so anyway um kyle but we go to kyle amanda and kathy's van and kyle's like oh my god i'm still surprised that post said that shut up Kyle, shut up.

6:32Ronnie Karam: Get a lie. Fucking Kyle.

6:35Ben Mandelker: The worst. She kind of really meant it as a joke, you know? But do you like being the butt of a joke? She's like, a butt? You mean a bottom? It's like, okay.

6:45Ronnie Karam: The butt of a joke, Kathy. Come on. How would you feel, Kathy? You would not like that, Kathy. You would not like that. So Bo's is like, whatever, whether or not it was said is not the issue. But if she really felt a certain way about what I said, then she should have just come to me directly. but she prefers to pull Kyle in so she can deflect. And I don't play that game. And that's exactly the problem. You know, Amanda's such a wuss. Turn to me and say, hey, what the fuck? Don't go to Kyle and make it a whole episode and then try and get everybody on your side and whine and be a victim. You're a wuss.

7:17Ronnie Karam: You don't belong here. Kick her off the bus.

7:21Ben Mandelker: Well, you know where she did well? Last night when she actually explained the cult to us, at least we have the story as to how, when, where, Where, how, what, who, where? And Bo's like, well, but we still don't know what made her want to leave. And Erica's like, well, let's ask chat GPT. So she goes to chat GPT.

7:37Ronnie Karam: Yeah, because only Erica would think that that was a complete story with the beginning, middle, and an end. That was not. She just said she was part of a youth group. She followed the youth group. She didn't like it. There was some unspecified, you know, pressure. And then she ran away. Well, once she said she ran away in the middle of the night. But in the beginning of the season, she said right after church, she ran to her sister's house. So I'm not sure if those maybe church was in the middle of the night. I mean, I don't know. But so Erica pulls out the chat, GBT.

8:08Ben Mandelker: When it comes to Amanda Francis, there's no credible evidence that she was ever part of a cult. Instead, what exists are a number of criticisms and controversies. And Bo's like, oh, wow. Let me look at this.

8:19Ronnie Karam: I just have to say, Erica reading is so funny. It's like you really see the education system wherever Erica grew up is, like, failing. Because she's like, when it comes to a... There is no... That she will ever... Oh, God. Someone else read this. Jesus Christ. I already did the come gutters a bit. I'm done here. Somebody else read. Am I paid for this?

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9:12Ronnie Karam: Boo. God, I'm gonna get the Pope to write you another letter. Take it away your new last name, you idiot.

9:18Ben Mandelker: Stefan was like, let her speak.

9:22Ronnie Karam: Dalton Gabbana says, let her speak.

9:25Ben Mandelker: Sutton says, you know what Erica and Boz were doing to Amanda is no different than doing a deep dive of the cult digging that Dorit did to Amanda. Only this is kind of worse. I'm like, oh, come on. Come on. Get over. She's a grifter.

9:36Ronnie Karam: It's on a blog. She wrote a blog about it. It's allowed to be discussed.

9:40Ben Mandelker: Yeah, seriously. So then Erica's like, well, don't ask Chat Cheapy too about me, honey. Might as well just call me Escobar.

9:48Ronnie Karam: or levonatron i thought she was saying like they call me a fucking so they we go to the other van and the man is like but jokes can be mean well why don't you just ask her about it well i guess i'm gonna have to and back to bo she's like ha well if she wants to fight she can have one

10:09Ben Mandelker: i'll give it to her good it's about time i feel like i've you know i feel like bo's i would like to see her in more conflicts just because um i find her to be really funny and smart and i just feel like she she could just like destroy someone like an amanda so then rachel uh now in the van with rachel and dorit and rachel um that rachel they rachel got her gucci for the kids and dorit's like gee i'm a firm believer in living life and enjoying i work hard and i don't know if i told you this but i haven't had a pringle in 16 years because pk would always eat them for me there i I said it finally, but also Rose told me that Kyle was concerned that I might be manic.

10:49Ben Mandelker: Could you even believe that? Like, um, you're literally washing all the windows inside this van right now. What are you talking about? They're dirty.

10:56Ronnie Karam: It's just so I can do an Instagram with my hands up against the windows doing this. So Rachel's like, but haven't, haven't you like always been like, just literally, literally. And also, first of all, the spooning. And don't talk to me about boring and spounding money. You don't know what I earn, what I spend. I have 19 businesses doing things. Girl, you don't earn any money. What are you talking about? Beverly Beach. Don't you? Beverly Beach and the wedding dresses. What was that called? Like pearls. The pearl. The pearl.

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11:44Ronnie Karam: Boobily bitch And if I show up tonight with my four Gucci bags She'd consider that part of my manic behavior Maybe I'll do that

11:53Ben Mandelker: I love when Rachel says Um, but aren't you always late? She goes, yes, exactly I'm always late Like, she's like proud of it

11:59Ronnie Karam: How is that manic? It's, it's a regular, okay? And Rachel goes, yeah If someone called me manic I can't. I can't.

12:09Ben Mandelker: I've put that friendship in a box. Oh my God. Like literally a box. Is it a Gucci box? Should I send it to Caius in the Hamptons? So Rach goes, I'm not sure your friendship is working, just so you know. And then, now we go back to Villa Bibiani and everyone arrives and they're getting dressed because they're going to be having a pool party, which means they're supposed to be getting into bikinis, which of course Dorit would have since she is the owner of a bikini business.

12:34Ronnie Karam: I don't think so.

12:36Ben Mandelker: Nope, she does not have.

12:37Ronnie Karam: I don't think that's still a thing, is it? Beverly Beach? Let's look it up.

12:41Ben Mandelker: Beverly Beach.

12:42Ronnie Karam: Was it ever taken in the first place?

12:44Ben Mandelker: Let's be honest. So Sutton and Amanda are in their room and they're trying on stuff. Amanda's putting on some crazy thing. She's like, is this swimsuit-y? And then there's a knock on the door and Sutton's bag arrives finally and Amanda's like, I manifested that you get it before dinner, remember? He probably manifested that every single day and eventually it came true okay this this doesn't count i'm

13:10Ronnie Karam: looking at boobily beach i'm sorry but podcast break beverly beach you find anything uh 471 posts 75 off sale beverlybeachbydareet.com let me see when the last post was it's a lady in front of a slide holding a baby and it is from 170 weeks ago i think it's to read maybe jumping on a trampoline not in a swimsuit so i'm a little confused a little confused okay beverlybeachbydreed.com error 1000 dns points to prohibited ip so yeah that's a beach more like beverly beached yeah like a whale beverly breached um it's backwards inside the womb it's time for a commercial it's time for a crappin's commercial

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16:52Ronnie Karam: They're places where water goes to rest. Are these chairs? That's what people sit on. I've always approved of chairs. Are we outdoors? I love outdoors because there's not as many walls.

17:06Ben Mandelker: She is bantering about every little thing. she's like i'd love to see the outside on a nice italian night boz comes out she's the only one in a bikini and she's like i thought this was a pool party and erica's like if i look like that it would be god no kidding because her body is like a statue

17:24Ronnie Karam: it's like oh my god what a perfect body and then she sits down even in the bikini i'm like oh i thought i was in a bikini i would well that would never happen but if i was i wouldn't even sit down because I'd be like, oh my god, what's happening down there? But she's like, hello, I still look perfect even sitting down in a bikini. What do you think of that?

17:42Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Well, I can't even get in the pool. I'd have to wash my hair and if there's chlorine, it might turn green and then what would happen if I actually have a good time? I'd actually have to be joyful and show some personality. I'm not going to do that.

17:53Ronnie Karam: You'll never see me in a swimsuit. You might see me in a pool without my swimsuit. And Kathy's like, no, well, I don't want to get my hair wet. And I, just no, no.

18:09Ben Mandelker: Rachel, where's your bathing suit? Um, are you okay? Like, I'm wearing a caftan. That's what I swim in. And by swim, I mean I sit on chairs. Too much.

18:20Ronnie Karam: So Kyle's like, where's the pizza? Where's Doreen? So Erica's telling us, you know, Doreen's getting on nerves. Like last night, tonight, again, always late. Fucking Doreen.

18:33Ben Mandelker: Well, they do say one of the early symptoms of mania is when you show up a little bit late to a pool party, you know? Kyle's like, I mean, by now, Dorit being late is like a joke. Like, nobody expected to show up on time. Like, yeah, it's been like seven years of it. Why are you suddenly reacting to it now? So Rachel's like, oh my God, Dorit. Like, Dorit is going in the pool. She's like wearing bikinis. She's like hot. She's like doing so much. Oh my God. She's like, no, I'm not going to go in, but everyone looks beautiful. so everyone's annoyed with her because she did show up 45 minutes late and then pizza comes out and Amanda keeps on saying is there a gluten free pizza on the way can you let me know about the gluten free pizza just like gluten free is that coming any gluten free god you know they must hate her like gluten free yeah because most people in Italy

19:20Ronnie Karam: are like I don't even have to be gluten free because I'm in Italy and they do gluten different here

19:27Ben Mandelker: yeah so Amanda's like I just really want my pizza where's my gluten-free oh it's like you're whining even about that come on it'll come you're rich don't

19:38Ronnie Karam: worry they'll make you your gluten-free oh my god thank you so much wait a minute is this a pile of hair it's gluten-free huh there's no gluten in here eat it you stupid so boz is asking if everybody feels good and rachel's like it was a hard person all day but like i'm here now so it's all good You know, it's like my accent stuff. But it got sorted. So my kids are going to go to the Hamptons. You know, it made my heart hurt.

20:08Ben Mandelker: It was, like, hard to know that, like, my kids were not in the Hamptons for a weekend. But, like, now they're there. And I'm going to have Xander look after them.

20:18Ronnie Karam: It makes me feel better to know that my kids are now in white linen. So everything's fine.

20:24Ben Mandelker: They're wearing white linen and, like, black fedoras. Because, like, Xander's styling them this weekend. So Sutton's like, well, I don't know about y 'all personally, but I've been hearing bits and pieces today about like, not gossip, but like, you know, talk, you know? So it was like, well, tell us about the conversation you were having. And Sutton goes, well, Kyle and I picked up this morning from our conversation last night. We talked to Amanda and Kyle's like, oh God, as if like Kyle was not the one who's been prompting everyone to confront each other tonight. And now she's like, oh, God, are we really going to have a confrontation tonight?

21:02Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Well, you know, and with the investigatory cult thing, you know, I would have been pissed. I would have been pissed. Drew's like, oh, by the way, little Missy. She's like, oh, really? Little Missy? Oh, okay. Okay. Missy. And Kathy's like, um, by the way, Nancy Drew.

21:22Ben Mandelker: It's like, wait, Sutton, when you showed up at Kyle's house and you put your hand out to shake. I thought I want to give it a shot. Little by little, naturally and organically, we started to move forward. But then today, out of the blue, I hear that you're talking shit about me in my manic state. Well, unfortunately, if I hadn't been so busy cleaning every window in our car and also in the nearest cathedral, I would have had to say something to you much earlier. But unfortunately, my work is never quite done. Manic, manic, manic.

21:49Ronnie Karam: Well, how did I talk shit how did i talk shit 67 toothpicks 67 toothpicks 67 toothpicks oh so i was like six seven six seven do we did some investigating on a moonda that's what you said well i wasn't talking shit well are you suggesting i did a google a deep dive i didn't say google i said hot bot isn't that

22:13Ben Mandelker: a search engine that you use so then so then sudden's like i mean you said you googled it last night at the table and kathy's like well you went and read the blog you know about the cult stuff and jennifer's like satin i googled every person in this group and i just think it's a

22:29Ronnie Karam: natural curiosity well i didn't say google deep dive i mean somebody else said that i don't even know that term google deep dive what is that oh then why did you see it oh great great great well you're implying to her amanda that she should be mad at me because you would be mad at me so Now she has to be mad at me.

22:50Ben Mandelker: I just said, if it were me, I would have had a reaction. And so therefore you should have a reaction because you should be like a little version of me. And Kyle was there too. So we were both like asking Amanda, don't you feel something about this? So maybe you should be mad at Kyle. Okay? Because remember how we were mad at Amanda for passing the buck over to Kyle? I'm going to now pass the buck over to Kyle, but you can't be mad at me about it because I've already been on this show.

23:17Ronnie Karam: Because it's always Kyle It's Kyle stirring the pot all the time So Kyle's like well I mean you have emotion And then you don't have emotion And then you do have emotion but not the emotion we want What?

23:30Ben Mandelker: I was like yeah There's a little bit of that So Sutton's saying like that She's like I'm just trying to do Dorit a fiver By exposing the situation bringing it up to Amanda For them to hash it out together Essentially you know

23:42Ronnie Karam: No you're trying to start shit You're trying to get someone to fight with Dorit because you still don't like Dorit. Okay? Just got to it. So Dorit to us is like, are you a total moron? What do you think? I'm a total moron. I mean, do you want to get her to be more expressive? I want her to express her own thoughts, not the thoughts you're putting in her little tiny blonde head.

24:08Ben Mandelker: Oh, I didn't realise it was a little tiny blonde head. I thought it was just a giant potato chip for me to eat. Oh, well. So Kyle is like, well i i thought that's what was bothering you to read that amanda wasn't having a reaction and man's like um i have something to say i was like okay let us speak for herself i resent the idea that being calm and centered and grounded and emotionally regulated is fake i try to practice not giving energy by the way they're all rolling their eyes now around the table i try to practice not giving energy and space to every little thing. And I do not feel safe when we're at the dinner table.

24:45Ben Mandelker: Like that would normally be a time that I choose to get vulnerable and open up more. But instead, I have felt emotionally unsafe.

24:54Ronnie Karam: Oh, God. Fuck off. And Dorit's just crossing her eyes. She's like, oh, Jesus. Thank God I have my lifesaver here. Oh, Coca-Cola. I can't go anywhere without Coca-Cola. Enjoy a kook.

25:09Ben Mandelker: Torit has learned from the Kyle Richards school of reacting to someone else's speech, because Kyle is normally the one who bulges her eyes and looks down to the right. But in this case, Torit's like, I'm going to do it too. So Erica's like, but there's also a way to have tough conversations there. And it's like, if you want to have the conversation in the first place, but maybe you just want to go to the Hamptons.

25:30Ronnie Karam: Right, Kyle, I see you making a face over there, but you know what I'm talking about. She's like, it's just a lot, honestly. It's just like everybody's always coming for Amanda. And she says that she knows why Amanda doesn't feel safe opening up to this group because she's been on the defense giving this, you know, all the time. It's poor Amanda on the defense. And so Rachel's like, yeah, but like emotionally and safe. That can also be a trigger word. See, I can do it too.

25:58Ben Mandelker: It's like a generational thing. And like as a member of the younger generation, I would like to say that like sometimes we use words like safe and on fleek. It's just a little different. That's it.

26:07Ronnie Karam: Oh, please. Hina Montana. And Rachel's like, but like age 40 is not like age 25. So like it's different.

26:16Ben Mandelker: Yeah, but like if you like subtract her age from my age, we're basically like 12 years altogether. So like it's fine. It's like a millennial expression. And I know that as a member of Gen Z, guys.

26:27Ronnie Karam: And Amanda says, it is. Well, perhaps this environment is different for Amanda with friends who actually hold her accountable. And Rachel's like, yeah, you know, like my amount of problem is like, are you the strongest and most powerful or are you like the weakest victim? Because you can't be both. And certainly not at the same time in the same day. When my kids went to Hamptons.

26:51Ben Mandelker: Are you the strongest or are you the most moisturized? Just tell me.

26:56Ronnie Karam: And that is the thing about Amanda. She's like, I'm a strong, independent woman. I buy everything.

27:05Ben Mandelker: that's 100 % right I think actually Rachel nailed it so Erica's like if you don't think that anything you've experienced the last six weeks in this group comes anywhere near what the other women have gone through in this group you should get in your car drive away I'm like I mean it's true it's also funny just be like oh shut up we've all been through this I'm going through a million court cases every single day and you will be too soon enough with your grift

27:32Ronnie Karam: wait until they all blame you for having to read a 12-page article. That's something. The whole season of bullshit with these bitches. So Amanda's like, my life looks good because I'm here. And everyone just holds her eyes. Even Sutton. Sutton has been trying to stand up for her this whole dinner, and Sutton's like, oh, God.

27:52Ben Mandelker: So Amanda, clearly she's rehashing some lines from her seminar because she's like, I have cultivated, curated, and co-created and manifested it intentionally this way. I was like, girl, you're not going to your alliteration all the way through cultivated curated co-created manifested what's man no just even say canifested come on you can't just like fuck up the alliteration like that just just like by design on purpose and i do so every day and i want it to look good and feel good and i absolutely have flaws i don't have secrets you know one of my flaws is i married a guy who can't pay for shit that's why i do it all myself i bought tuna last week i bought the tuna in the house

28:33Ronnie Karam: i'll talk about anything and uh she says yeah i mean i told people about zion's death my first night of meeting though and like the women have taken time to get to know me see me as authentic but the ones who have not taken the time are the ones making conclusions about me that are untrue

28:51Ben Mandelker: it's such an interesting parallel with what's going on with this show and the parentheses far superior ladies of london because we have sort of two things of like like you have two cast members on one on these shows talking about like, hey, I shared this very heavy thing. And so therefore, because I was so vulnerable, you should be giving me more respect. You should be like holding space. You should be halting everything. You should be saying, oh my God, you know? And you have other women who are like, I mean, that's terrible that that happened. But like, you're just bringing it up now to kind of just like manipulate the conversation, right?

29:25Ben Mandelker: And so it's kind of interesting how on two shows are happening at the same time. to different degrees of entertainment.

29:32Ronnie Karam: But this one, they're like tiptoeing around how to say it, like, stop bringing up your trauma for fucking social collateral. And on the other one, she's like, you know, the Kimmy's just like, oh, shut the fuck up. Why do I have to talk about that?

29:44Ben Mandelker: It's bullshit. So good. Yeah. He's like, I understand your brother died, but it doesn't mean we gotta be bored at a wine tasting.

29:55Ronnie Karam: Isn't it bad enough he got shot in the first place? You have to ruin my glass of wine? about i'm trying to enjoy a block to block block the amount of time does that belong to belong this

30:04Ben Mandelker: week block the block okay so amanda is um she's like i need to ask a clarifying question i can't i need to ask a clarifying question like she's getting she's getting

30:17Ronnie Karam: re-questioned someone cross-examination in a courtroom when we were on the bridge

30:23Ben Mandelker: boz you know you saw the mask did you say that's amanda it's like i don't think i said that and we see this the thing like who's gonna be pinocchio amanda and that's my point who's gonna be pinocchio is a little different than like who wears a mask who is masked so that's why i think

30:43Ronnie Karam: that she's confused so uh then uh kyle's like well i mean uh this is what you said this is what you said and buzz goes uh why would you need to remind her of what she said let her say it if she remembers i want to hear it from her kyle like if this is this a conversation with me or me and amanda she goes um but like it's because natalie said something too though and amanda's like yeah the truth is i think you know you said it girl what well she's saying you're a liar that's what she's saying or if you'd like to hear it in italian she's calling you a liar

31:18Ben Mandelker: so buzz is like i know and she's trying to tell me what i know and if you have a direct question let me know amanda goes but did you look at a mask and say that's like amanda why would i say that just because you think i'm fake okay do you think i'm fake just like i think you that you are not being clear about your life because it looks and feels good i can't have that is i'm not allowed to have a life that looks and feels good?

31:44Ronnie Karam: It's not pure, and we've all seen it. You're presenting your life like a Stepford wife or something, and it's not.

31:51Ben Mandelker: My life is beautiful. I worked and created that way. It's great.

31:56Ronnie Karam: But there are warts in it, and all I'm saying is we should hear all your warts. But what have I not been forthcoming about?

32:04Ben Mandelker: Well, you present things as perfect, and they're probably not. It feels to me that whenever there's a situation, it's like, poor Amanda. You're kind of like Kili's hairline. I see through it. But what am I, poor Amanda? Right now, in this very moment, notice how you're saying... See how you're speaking right now? You're doing it right now.

32:23Ronnie Karam: Right now?

32:24Ben Mandelker: You're asking me why I said this thing that makes me appear as an aggressor to you.

32:29Ronnie Karam: Well, I think you're being maybe a bit hypersensitive, Munda. And if I've come at you and accosted you, what I do see from you is you show up as very suki you know treat why are you vacuuming right now the mannequin

32:49Ronnie Karam: you make faces like this

32:53Ben Mandelker: this is what you look like amanda cat is like no that's true it's true so let me just stop here

33:01Ronnie Karam: and say because it's both both said her thing i wish bows was a little more honest with her in this because i don't really see i don't think boz is presenting a great case here especially since she's known all day that this is coming i wish instead of her saying like you're not you don't seem honest about your life or you seem like a victim or something like that tell them why you don't like her you know it i wish she would just say yes i made a joke on the bridge because she said who's pinocchio and i said you because i feel like you're inauthentic you come in here you act like you're authentic but all you do is gobbledygook like millennial like pop psychology tiktok speak you don't say anything real you use tragedy for social capital and as arguments against people which is totally tacky and i think your business is a fucking rip off i think it's crazy that you're saying you're charging like tens of thousands of dollars when you say you came from a cult and it looks like you're running a cult like that's what i think i think you're

33:56Ben Mandelker: inauthentic loser yeah i i agree it's like about this like oh you're not showing us your real life warts and all i was like i actually don't think that's the issue i don't think it's like about she's not sure i mean she sort of actually did share like a major word that happened in her life you know a tragic one and so like i don't think that's the issue it's it's it's 100 % what you said 100 i have the exact same reaction which is like don't say like oh she's not sharing her life because the truth is none of you guys actually really want that like i can't tell any single person in this in this group that's like oh my god i can't wait to find out more about amanda's life i think they're using that as a way so that way they have some sort of like moral high ground of why they're they're feeling they they it's what it's they use that to explain why they're annoyed but they're annoyed because they pick up on amanda what we pick up on is that she's fake she's a grifter and she's just annoying and she's like like you can't really even have a conversation with her without herself promoting or like suddenly like acting like a like a victim in the most annoying way, but they don't want to be the ones to accuse her of that because they got so harsh.

35:05Ben Mandelker: So instead they're going to, they're going to drape this other lofty thing on top of it, which is like, we are annoyed with you, not because of your personality. We're annoyed because you're not sharing with us. And they're putting it back on her that way. It's like, no, you're annoyed because she's just annoying and just own up to it and live in it.

35:23Ronnie Karam: Yeah. When they feel like you're a victim, it's like, you're using all this victim language constantly. Like we're having this discussion now and you're the way you're saying it is I'm feeling safe. Like I'm emotionally regulated, but I feel like it's hard to have a conversation with somebody who is like a therapy chat GPT bot, you know. So I wish they would say that. I think to read kind of gets it the best, oddly enough, because she says you can be flawed, imperfect. You can have a past, but just be like, just be yourself. in other words and stop being this you know bullshit made up persona yep so um so then

36:03Ben Mandelker: jennifer's like i feel like you may have wasted a lot of time today being hurt over something that possibly didn't even happen and kyle's like um but she was clear about what she heard on the bridge and natalie even agreed that yes that's what bo said as a joke and natalie said well i said bo said amanda's name and kyle's like yeah but then like what was the joke part of you were referring to just like amanda that was the joke she was like well obviously you know so no i'm asking and son's like amanda knows this is who said it y 'all and natalie's like um not like natalie starts to backpedal in a way that didn't make sense to me yes she won't say it either she just wants to stay

36:42Ronnie Karam: out of it so amanda's like natalie you're standing right there too and you agreed that's what both said and she goes don't pin this on me i mean i took it as a joke and you should have too and And Kyle's like, but you're not saying what you said earlier. And she goes, but I didn't say. But you confirmed it before. Now you're telling a different story. Which is true. I don't know what Natalie's doing. I mean, Natalie should have just said, they asked me if I heard you joking about Amanda on the bridge. And I said, yes, but it was just a joke. Like, I don't know why Natalie's being a weirdo too now.

37:09Ronnie Karam: They're all acting so weird in this episode. Like, I can't even follow any. I can't even follow why any of them are acting like this.

37:17Ben Mandelker: But I also don't. I don't totally see exactly how Natalie changed her story either. I just wasn't sure what was happening. And I feel like Natalie was, I feel like Natalie was caught off guard and didn't really know what was happening. And suddenly Kyle's like, you know, coming at her and she's like, huh, what? And Kyle's like, what is this? Now you're scared of bows. So you're not going to admit to what you confirmed earlier. And Natalie's like, I'm not playing this game of tag with you. I've watched this for weeks now. And Kyle's like, you said something different earlier. You realize we all see this, right?

37:43Ben Mandelker: And Doreen's like, my God, you just cannot help it. She's like, you're lying. Now he's like, what? Huh? I'm sexy. I'm just waiting for a way to talk about the fact that I got a happy ending once. Come on.

37:54Ronnie Karam: Oh, you know what doesn't lie? The cameras. She does her like cross-eyed head bobble thing. And so Dorit just gets up and leaves. And it's like, honestly, it seems like Coyle has lost all ability to be abductive. She's fiercely protecting Amunda with the hopes that Aminda will eventually fall in line and be a soldier. and an aminda can say to me all the things that kyle really wants to say but apparently doesn't have the goods to say and i know what's happening and i cannot watch it anymore i'm going to bed like to read you've been here five minutes you were already three hundred dollars sit your ass down

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39:30Ben Mandelker: So she leaves and Natalie's like, that was really harsh to say that I lied. Well, you did, even though I wasn't there. I mean, I was there, but I wasn't, but I was. And I was like, I didn't lie. She's like, yeah, you did. So Erica's like, oh, Natalie. you called me a lion and I don't like that. Just please stop. So I'm like, but they all say that. It's not just Natalie. So Rachel's Natalie wasn't in this though.

39:54Ronnie Karam: She should have just said, I did say I hear it. And I also said it was a joke, but instead she's like, ah, I know.

39:59Ben Mandelker: I didn't, I didn't know.

40:00Ronnie Karam: Although she did have a line in there where she said, I said it was a joke, but she won't say I'm saying, but she won't say what it was that she heard that was a joke because it's going to contradict, it's going to contradict bows. And she likes bows and Kyle's been an asshole. And she even says, like, I've seen you doing this for weeks where Kyle will start a fight. She she gets everybody fighting and then she brings a fight forward and then she's directing everything and directing them what to say. So I did like that. Natalie pointed this out when she's like, I'm not playing your game of tag.

40:27Ronnie Karam: I've seen you do this for weeks. But at the same time, you are it. And so you've got to just say, this is what I heard. And I said it was a joke. Like, why? It's so Beverly Hills to just be like, let's not ever say what we really said and just keep going around in circles. Seriously.

40:42Ben Mandelker: So Rachel's like, Kyle looks like she's going to implode. She's like zanned in the Hamptons without his fedora. Kyle's like, well, it's frustrating because like Natalie is like, I just met you and you just fucking lied. And it's just like weird to me. So Natalie's like, how am I lying? And Amanda's like, because now you're saying all that happened was that my name was said, but in the street, you said it was about the mask. I'm sorry. Right. Like they are, they are like, if Natalie's story changed, whatever, I just feel like this is so, it's so stupid.

41:15Ronnie Karam: This would have happened if Amanda had the balls to just turn around and ask Bose what she said right then and there. But instead she's had to make it this whole production and no one else wants to play with it. And I like that. Everyone else is like, you know what? Even if we know we're wrong, we're not going to give you this because Kyle and Natalie or Kyle and Amanda, you both suck. So have fun floundering. So they're just all watching them. And you see Kyle physically getting like, oh, I mean, oh, she's getting so upset. And everyone else is just staying calm and looking at them like they're fucking crazy.

41:45Ben Mandelker: Yeah. And Bose is like, look, if you have something to say, just go to the person and say it. And Amanda's like, oh, I remember Bose saying that I can't control how other people behave in a friendship. And she's telling me right now how to act. Aren't you more mature than this, Bose? I'm like, I think, like, I get the logic of what you're saying. but I think what the sentiment is is that you can't control if people are offended or not offended. You can't control people's emotional reactions. She's not saying you can't control if someone decides to go and gossip to other people first before they come and confront you.

42:18Ben Mandelker: She's saying if you want to succeed in your interactions, just come to me first. She's not trying to control you. She's giving you a strategy for how to grow and to improve interactions.

42:30Ronnie Karam: She talks like her bots online talk. You know, there's been a lot of Reddit speculation on whether she's hiring bots to go fight for her online because they're from these accounts that seem like they're bots, like they're bot and paid for bots. Because they were answering things like, okay, we're hiring people to social media people to go on and, you know, basically give their opinions or whatever for pay. And these people are responding, okay, I want in. And then suddenly they're showing up and they're fighting for Amanda. And all of the arguments are the same. And they started posting all these threads that are like, well, Bose has a workshop where she, the first thing she says, this is how to do something.

43:09Ronnie Karam: Then the second thing she says, this is how to do this in business. And the third one is how to do this in business. But the fourth one is, well, this workshop will teach you how to take all the lessons from the first three workshops and manifest them into your life. So she's using the word manifest. Isn't she a hypocrite because of how she's treating Amanda? It's like, no, because she's using manifest in a way that's like, I've taught you things. Now I'm going to tell you how to bring these things, you know, how to make these work in your real life. But they're always missing the point. And they're like, but wait, isn't Bo's doing the same thing that Amanda is doing?

43:43Ronnie Karam: And it's just I'm only pointing that out because it's been happening all week where there's like these attack Bo's posts that are clearly by bots because everybody's like, oh, shut up, bot. You know, like everybody knows at this point. But it's funny because the same language and the same tone they're using is exactly Amanda right now. Like, but wait, Bose told me this thing, but now she's doing it too. Aren't you more mature than this, Bose? Like, girl, we can see you. You're not even a good, you talk like a robot and you're not even a good online bot.

44:15Ben Mandelker: Yeah, seriously. So Kathy has decided that this is, this is boring now. I mean, it was boring the whole time, to be honest. And she just is like, let me give some, let me just say something generic that will just end this. So she goes, sometimes we go through things and we get to an even better place. Am I right? Like that has nothing to do with anything. But now they're just sitting there quietly. And Amanda's just like eating her pizza. Jennifer's like, thank you, Buddha Cathy. So Kyle's like, where did Dorico? Where did Dorico? She's manic. Someone bit, look at, look after. Did she fall in the pool?

44:47Ben Mandelker: Is she doing opera in the theater? Oh my God. Be careful, everyone.

44:50Ronnie Karam: Who knows where she is? I don't know what she's doing. I just know the world is wait for that bitch. And Amanda's like, so it bothers you that she comes late and leaves early? Yes, it does bother me. We all stop agreeing. Now stop lying. Just stop lying.

45:05Ben Mandelker: Guys, I checked the Hamptons. I called every single store in the Hamptons. Dorit isn't there. But guess what? She's in a room.

45:14Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So she's being a drama queen. And Kyle's like, oh, God, you know, if Bo's were honest, she'd say that that's rude. but I mean, it's giving Irish goodbye, but we're in Italy. So Boz is like, well, a lot's been said tonight, a lot to reflect on. I think it's time to wrap up and go to sleep. So Jennifer goes to the chapel and she's like, dear Lord, please help us stop fighting. Chomp.

45:44Ben Mandelker: Chomp. Chomp. Chomp. Dorit is now sitting with Rachel and Boz and Dorit's like, Gee, I felt like I was in the Twilight Zone Whatever Kyle was doing Felt like she was trying to defend something That didn't need defending And Beau's like, well I think that Amanda is very cunning I could see it when she was deflecting She has to make herself a victim in every situation So she then doesn't have to take accountability

46:09Ronnie Karam: So in the other room Amanda's like, Kyle Thank you for making points That I couldn't make

46:16Ben Mandelker: I'm just like, really Sorry that you experienced that today it was definitely not on fleek.

46:23Ronnie Karam: Well, I think on the whole, I'm making progress with the group and letting them get to know me and hear me in my heart.

46:31Ben Mandelker: Amanda's not clear or honest about her life. Yeah, like, who's behind the fucking curtain?

46:36Ronnie Karam: That's you. No, that's my outfit. No, it's just my outfit. I mean, like, figuratively. Well, she's selling a mindset that she wants to impart and recruit others into. And look, this is going to be a very controversial thing to say. Are you ready? She's built a cult. There, I said it. Brother! She walked away from one and she built another. I can't. Dun, dun, dun. So finally, someone has said it.

47:04Ben Mandelker: And now we've said it. And now we've said it. Well, what will happen? What will happen now that Amanda's been accused of being her cult leader herself? Well, we'll find out. In the meantime, thank you all for being here and joining us for this. somehow we wound up talking a lot more about this episode than there was actually content in it, which is crazy, but that's just what we do at crap. And it's a big, exciting episode. We'll do in 30 minutes and a boring ass episode. We do and two episodes worth. So thanks for being here and we will catch you on the next episode of watch what crap happens.

47:40Ben Mandelker: Bye everyone. Good boy.

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