#3272 Ladies of London S4E04: Going Hard in the Paint

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3:00Ben Mandelker: So that's all the exciting stuff on that front. Today we are back in the wondrous, wonderful show. known as Ladies of London, season four, episode four, Naked Truths. And the episode opens up with Mark Francis getting out of a car and announcing Americans tend to be very openly emotional. Can you tell the amount of disgust in my voice when I say that? Ugh, emotional.

3:30Ronnie Karam: And we see on the screen in pink text, emotions, Brits versus non-Brits. And we cut to Micah like, oh my God, I'm just so sad. Just so sad. And Margot being like, oh my god, I'm gonna cry. I'm gonna cry right now. And then we just cut to Emma, who's like, keep calm and carry on is our motto.

3:50Ben Mandelker: Maybe we should talk about stuff more. I don't know. And that's Martha saying that to Emma. And Emma's just like, ooh, talk about stuff more. Disgusting. I don't know. How awful to feel emotion. Never.

4:04Ronnie Karam: You know, it's, oh, and then Margot's like, it's kind of the Brett's armor, though. to just, like, stuff it all down forever and then just die. Yes, the Scandinavian culture is very honest, almost too honest. We go to Kimmy. She's like, I just can't stunt people with a verbal thought about everything I feel.

4:24Ben Mandelker: And we see a flashback of her back then being like, oh, my God, her brother died. Like, wow, wow, wow, am I right? Blank to blank. So now we're back in the streets of London and Lottie and her husband Joshua, they are dressed the nines as usual in suits like matching suits that are like tailored within a centimeter of their bodies i mean the they i mean this guy has some true talent in terms of like fitting they are always wearing suits that are like perfect and um lati she's like i would like a tennis bracelet as a push present and she says i feel like we're actually a bit more traditional than people would think we are.

5:04Ben Mandelker: He's like, yes, I would say we have very traditional feelings and values, sugar-coated in a very unconventional-looking relationship.

5:12Ronnie Karam: He's got this way of talking about him. He's like, I would say we're very conventional, but also unconventional. Why do you look like you were drawn by Bob's Burgers? Why?

5:23Ben Mandelker: Why do you look like you're in an old commercial for Guinness? So they go to this jewelry store where this very homely lady with a little headband on and stuff is like, hello, welcome back. Good to see you again. Welcome to Pembridge Pucker Farms. It's like, had a very like, it's like Piccadilly Jewelers. And they are there to look at tennis bracelets and other baubles and jewels.

5:52Ronnie Karam: Yeah, and they're looking at like 80 ,000 pounds and all these crazy expensive things. And Josh was like Well I do love this woman's watch But I don't know it's for women Is this too untraditional in our traditional relationship She remembers that time I brought you flowers Wasn't it traditional Oh traditionalism it's our kink

6:14Ben Mandelker: So you went to a wine tasting Was it traditional wine How was that And she's like oh it was quite nice They all opened up a lot So I do sort of felt I sort of felt like I could open up about my dad's cancer And, like, you know, how you talk about what you've been through and stuff. He's like, oh, yes, he's had a run. We're not talking about the cancer now, are we? We are still British, right? Do we have to talk about things?

6:36Ronnie Karam: When we got together, like, that was sad because he's such a big part of our romance. God, I love daddy's storylines in a romance, you know. And then you said that your dad, you were just, like, blown away. The opportunity that your dad might not walk you down the aisle. That was so, so sad. Yes, and it was really nice. And then Missy sort of opened up about her brother being murdered. And he goes, oh my God, while you were having wine, please tell me while food was being served. How untraditional. Do I have a boner?

7:11Ben Mandelker: Yes. And the only person who didn't really say anything that deep was Kimmy. I mean, she can speak Haitian, but we all knew that. I'm like, Kimmy went first pretty much, right? I think she was the first one to go. Like, you can't blame her. She didn't know that it was going to go deeper than that.

7:23Ronnie Karam: She was also not the only one Because it got to Margot And Margot's like I gave a handjob to a guy In a movie and he came all over my hand And I'm famous now She's in the same thing to you

7:35Ben Mandelker: Yeah get over it Lottie She's like I mean if we're talking about Kimmy She's not British but I do think in general It's quite a British thing to not really share how we're feeling And just to sort of get on with things And I think a lot of people in our group Do have that side of them And I say then why are you mad at Kimmy for it She's just trying to fit in

7:53Ronnie Karam: yeah uh she's like well i think we're going to have to peel back those layers a little bit more why listen to everybody who wants to peel the onion stop onions smell they make you smell all day and they make you cry if you see an onion leave it the fuck alone and as an onion let me tell you don't try to peel me you're gonna walk away from here crying stop with this try to peel

8:15Ben Mandelker: the onion okay also i've got bad news for you something that i discovered watching the feature film hero starring gina davis when you peel that onion guess what you find in the middle nothing there's nothing in the middle of the onion there's a scene in that movie early on where gina davis is like giving a speech and she i saw this movie only once in eighth grade and this has stayed with me and gina davis brings out an onion during her speech and she starts peeling it she's like sometimes in life you peel back the onion and that's what we do as journalists we peel and we peel and we peel and she starts crying because of the onion she's like we peel and we peel and guess what in the end there's nothing there and i was like wow gina davis i'm gonna remember that for the rest of my life and i have and i haven't ever mentioned that until right now in the podcast 30 years later i'm like guys formative onion experience i had with gina davis yeah that's true

9:01Ronnie Karam: i just give us so much so um she she picks out a 30 000 pound tennis bracelet and he's like oh my good she says yes but every time i look down i'll say my vagina did that you said vagina in pemberley pickleston how unprovisional boner boner boner achieved does it smell like chives in here onions you know so now we go to a bentley and micah is meeting up

9:32Ben Mandelker: with margo and uh micah she's micah's very her class yeah this is the part where we see her

9:39Ronnie Karam: doing her class it's hilarious she's like trying to give um etiquette lessons to muppets she's like this is how you hold a borg and the muppet's like oh that's how i do it it's like oh my god i can't even get through a scene this is just too much uh yeah so she has a class she's all dressed up for

9:57Ben Mandelker: She's dressed very formally and they arrive at a spa. And I'm like, this way all British spas look like, they look like they're in an embassy. And so they're sitting there like in these like beautiful sofas in a lobby. And Margo's like, I really like Micah. She's not what I expected at all. She immediately gives me a feeling of warmth and being invited and safety. She's sort of like the hand job of friends, you know, just a great vibe. So Micah's like,

10:23Ronnie Karam: Micah's like being friends with a customer service representative. like that's pre-recorded you know like when you call somebody and they're like we're so glad that you're here please press one if you'd like this in english or press two if you'd like this in spanish i mean she's just she's nice but she's nice in that like hi how are you kind of way i'm just don't trust her i mean i feel like it's me moving to mexico and like offering a tortilla class you know like why are you doing that this is not your place yeah so um they're talking about

10:54Ben Mandelker: husbands and margot's husband is from lebanon and he's lebanese armenian and um we have a flashback of margot talking to her her family she's like trying to facetime with her family and no one wants to look at her and she's like his dad wants that dad want to say hi and he's like not right now which seems to be an ongoing theme on this show of the husbands not wanting to be seen on any facetimes we just saw that with micah last week right where she's like hi honey you traveling again no yeah i think that's why she likes micah because both their

11:22Ronnie Karam: husbands hate them, you know? And she's like, honey, you need to say hi to me. Please just say hi to me, okay? He's like, I'm having coffee. She's like, okay, well, hi. He's like, hi. Okay, hang up on your mother now. So back to present. She's like, he did not want to marry me because he had a really traumatic experience. And so I was like, we're having a baby. So yeah, I made him go to a chapel in Vegas. Yep. I was like, you're marrying me. Isn't that romantic?

11:49Ben Mandelker: What could go wrong? What could go wrong?

11:51Ronnie Karam: So sad.

11:51Ben Mandelker: So she goes, my husband's an entrepreneur and he's very successful. We met at a party and I was like living in Los Angeles and it was like six weeks before COVID happened. And I didn't expect to have any connections out of this party whatsoever. But then he just gave me a hug. Goodbye. I'm like, I know this will sound really dramatic, but it felt like the whole universe passed right between us. I'm like, oh yeah. The planets were like, get me away from this relationship. We are passing. We pass. We pass on this relationship.

12:17Ronnie Karam: He's a real hottie. I'm sure it had nothing to do with the fact that he's rich, this fucking guy. She's like, this guy hates her. She's like, oh, my God. I just knew right from the beginning when I heard how much money he had. That was it. And so she's saying that her boys come in nine days. And he still had boys from his first marriage. So they just became a family very quickly. And Micah says, well, is the idea that everyone comes over here permanently? She's like, well, I just want to introduce them to the UK because, like, all my work has been here. I mean I've not made one person come on film in America you know you just follow the fountains is what I say

12:55Ben Mandelker: there's just so much pressure because in my family my family is against me spending time in the UK and it's like really greatly reduces my ability to be here I'm like yeah because they live in Los Angeles and you came out here to do a reality show and they're like we don't want to leave LA so the masseuse comes by her name is Comfort which of course they enjoy and now they're getting massages and margot's talking about foot fetishes and she says that's like foot fetishes fetishes exist because the the part of the brain that recognizes the foot is right beside the part of the brain that's like that enjoys sexual activity and sometimes their wires get crossed i was like i would like to see the documentation on that but for some reason that does not sound true yeah i've never heard that you're the the foot part of the brain this is not like two aisles of the library and someone put the book in the wrong aisle.

13:43Ben Mandelker: I don't know. I'm just too lazy to look it up myself. And I also don't know if I care enough.

13:48Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I'm wondering if that's like, if some people that's feet and some people it's like Snickers bars or something. So Micah's like, no way. No, it's true. And so they see feet and they're like, whoa, burner time. You know what I mean? Okay, so listen, I feel like I barely saw you yesterday, mostly because we were in the car. And it's like, I know, you know, one part of that lunch, which I really appreciated, was how vulnerable we got to be. It was just like slicing open our souls and letting them bleed all over each other. God, it felt good.

14:18Ben Mandelker: Yeah, the stuff with Missy, that was like a real life nightmare. And then we cut over to Missy's flat and she FaceTimes her sister, Valentina, and she's like, my sister's husband is a soccer player. He signed a contract in Dubai, so they moved out there for two years. And my sister is like my best friend. She supports me and she's like, always tells me straight. And she reminds me of who I am. She's amazing. Isn't that amazing America? And then she starts talking about, she tells Valentina about the winery and she says how it was the first time she'd opened up about their brother and she got very choked up, but it was also very healing for her.

14:53Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And so she's talking about going to visit the grave and the sister's like, yes, it affects everything, our comfort zones, because we always have this fear in us and we've been doing so good and I'm so proud of you. And then back to Micah and Margot. So Micah's like, yeah. And I think that was a big moment for her to open up like that. I mean, gosh. It's like she got up, she took that microphone, and she sang that number at karaoke, and it was just great. Margot's like, oh, yeah. But like Kimmy, she hated that part. Like when we were on the way home, she was like, flashback to the car. Well, I mean, it was some drug-related thing.

15:26Ronnie Karam: Like let's not make it into some fucking sob story. Am I right?

15:31Ben Mandelker: Margot's like, it is a sob story. And she is right. so uh marcus like oh that's tough margot goes i know that's her coping mechanism though you know but i do feel like missy needs to know that because if missy feels like she's in a safe space to share and she's not she should know that uh no i'm sorry margot this bitch just met this whole group of people and there's cameras in her face and she's on a reality tv and if for one moment she thought she was in a she knew she always knew she was never in a safe space there's nothing about any part of that scene while everyone's getting drunk that said this is a safe space.

16:04Ben Mandelker: She told the story. It's a very sad story, but she was trying to kind of have like a moment. I'm sure the producers also told her, by the way, when it comes to you, you have to tell the story. So like, I'm sure that was part of it, but like, not this like, oh my God, we have to protect her because she didn't realize it wasn't a safe space. It was like, no shit. It wasn't a safe space. Why would you ever think like, why would you like, just like, blah, I'm just going to announce this to a bunch of people I don't know. Like, sorry, I I'm not going to co-sign with Margot on this one.

16:33Ronnie Karam: Yeah, you're on TV. You're doing this in front of people on camera and even going like, oh, good luck following that one up at the end when you told your story. So, yeah, people are going to have an opinion and that's just how it is. And it's not your business. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crappens commercial.

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19:36Ben Mandelker: and stuffed it she goes she goes yeah they're extinct now actually oh god don't you hate those weak species that can't even live. Oh, I've been collecting taxidermy for 30 years. I've always been obsessed with odd things. You know, like an amazing piece of taxidermy is the way the animal is preserved and the way it's posed is beautiful. It's under the glass jar. It's painted. That's done in taxidermy form. My favorite is to find something that doesn't even exist and went extinct and say, you're so stupid. I mean, like I'm supposed to care about the fact that you don't live on this planet anymore?

20:09Ben Mandelker: I mean, get over it, right? Blonk, blonk.

20:13Ronnie Karam: I love all my pets to be dead. You know, you don't have to pick a poo. You don't have to feed them. They just sit there and they look at my thing.

20:24Ben Mandelker: Cut to Martha with blood coming down her eyes from her magpie. I love this. Kimmy just, she's like, well, look, I know I'm a little morbid, you know, but listen, I was just calling everybody to see if you're free tomorrow to come to like a little art thing. I'm doing some painting and some drawing, You know, some real stupid stuff. We could talk about live things. We could finally have fun after that drag of a wine tizzy. Am I right?

20:50Ronnie Karam: So we see her talking to everybody on the phone, asking everybody individually. Yeah, you know, we'll have a few drinks maybe. You know, I don't know. Get a little naughty. Are you ready for it? I think that's a formidable idea. Well, also, I was going to say, that last event we went to, it just got so sad. And everyone's telling some really sad sob stories. Let's just hope nobody's family members have been gunned down this time. It would really be nice to have some Blanc de Blanc while we paint some cock.

21:20Ben Mandelker: Everyone cried. The wine got them whining. That was a good one. Why don't you laugh at that, Kimmy? I mean, thank God I got out of that. I have never heard of an occasion in which wine has made people miserable. What on earth went so fundamentally wrong?

21:38Ronnie Karam: So now we go to Kimmy talking to Martha And Martha's like Are we going to have a naked model? Oh, it's a surprise, Martha Just show up, alright? Well, I'm certainly not doing a still life

21:53Ben Mandelker: Oh, well, me too Unless it's a banana Don't you like bananas? Are we painting or are we drawing? Well, we may do a combination Depends on how drunk we get, right? We'll see what happens I don't think it's going to be anything too messy, though.

22:10Ronnie Karam: Any excuse for nudity? So we go to a museum, and it is Mark's house. I mean, this is the old queen dream. It's just antiques. Everything is gilded. In America, it would be a Trump property. It's just gold, you know.

22:28Ben Mandelker: It's a Rococo explosion, okay? everything is like little gold twirlies and swirlies and leaves and details and gilded it's just it's it's madness and so emma comes over you know emma always walks she's like a supermodel and she just always sort of slinks in with her like she always has like some it's like strappy kind of like back exposed thing she just effortlessly walks into this gilded madness and she's like mark lives in this beautiful place that's so pristine i mean artistically oh god You're so divine and intelligently curated, although it feels weird that there's not a rhinoceros there.

23:05Ben Mandelker: Anyway, Mark, I love how unchild-friendly your spaces are. He goes, oof, what is a child?

23:12Ronnie Karam: I do try to curate my environment. I work in the art world. History, design, detail, so important to me. I work with Christie's, the auction house. You might have heard of it. Oh, God, I'm an aesthetic. Is aesthetic? Is that what it's called? It's a full-time, Asthete. It's a full-time job. And we see Asthete, a person who has a special appreciation of art and beauty. And he's on the phone, looking through a book. He's like, could I please see the Sugarloaf Emerald? Oh,

23:44Ben Mandelker: how thrilling. Sugarloaf Emerald. He's like, my home is a very honest reflection of my soul. Gilded. Now, excuse me, I have some vase work to do. Could I see lot 49, please? May I see what vase is there? Is that the sugarloaf emerald? No? That's disgusting. There, thank you. I just wanted to call and let you know that. Christy, you slut.

24:05Ronnie Karam: Well, everything here is just so delicate, Mark. Including us. Cheers. I think I do so much in life to avoid reality, because I find reality quite scary.

24:18Ben Mandelker: Yes, of course it is. But I'm always endlessly grateful for life, and that's why I do too much. As one lady once said, I do too much because you do too little. I don't follow. Neither do I. I don't know how that got into my head. But everyone always says to me, why are you so active? You, Emma, super active Emma is what I'm known for. Look at me. Look at me being full of energy right now, Mark.

24:42Ronnie Karam: I can't stop. Emma. Because I'll start thinking. And it all wraps back to that health scare I had. And he's like, oh God, we're talking about this? When I was pregnant, that was really, really, it reared its head again and he just raises his eyebrows which is impressive because his face when i tell you this man's face does not move like even an inch so for him to raise his eyebrows i was like oh my god that is that is emotion right well done olivier olivier get him an olivier so he uh emma

25:13Ben Mandelker: tells us that when she was pregnant with her son that um she basically got an mri and they found like a brain bleed on her pituitary gland and she basically gets scans every year to monitor it they give her uh steroids and it was like a very scary thing and so she says that she recently went in for a scan and they said it had jumped so much in size that it would now be in a category that's serious and mark is like oh my god do i have to access my emotions for this because i'm not sure i can do that let me just kiss you strangely on the cheek okay i've kissed you on the cheek we can finish this conversation now can we talk about vases and sugarloaf embryos

25:53Ronnie Karam: yeah and she talks about her full body MRI and finding cysts and stuff like that and she's like and that's why I take on more challenges and it makes me sad but nothing makes me feel better like cleaning up Rilo shit so thank god for that and they talk about how coping is you know just working and he's like but you really do need to look after yourself, darling. She's like, well, we're not meditative, you and I. We're just not patient people. He goes, if I stop and meditate, I start thinking about things that I want to buy. Harrods is my meditation. I'm sorry.

26:33Ben Mandelker: But like, no, like, literally, it's silly. And I'm not even outwardly sad about it. That's like a really private, inward thing, actually. He goes, yes, but that's the thing. You and I are always privately concerned about things, but we never talk about anything with anyone i know we just keep calm and carry on let's go like yes i don't know for how long one can do that and they're like they're like yes they're like they hold hands but

26:57Ronnie Karam: we'll try we'll sure as hell try squeeze each other's hands and she's like i only want to make sure that i'm strong and well enough because i'm responsible for my children he's like oh you're not just responsible for your children by the way you're responsible for your husband and you are decidedly responsible for me.

27:17Ben Mandelker: Oh, yes, I know. I'm sorry. Okay. So you're not going anywhere. We've solved this. There's been too much emotion for me. I'm on the verge of potentially thinking about crying, and I'm quite unpleasantly surprised by that. So, shall we wrap this up with a little another kiss on your cheek, please?

27:33Ronnie Karam: Just one more thing. You're not dying around this group, because Kimmy will definitely stuff you and sit you right next to a bird for eternity.

27:43Ben Mandelker: so now we go to missy's very sad apartment it's just like all white and like has like three chairs lined up against the wall all facing the same direction and margot comes over and missy's like oh look welcome to my house it's not done but i think it's it's well along the way and you can tell margot's like can i just go to someone's normal apartment for once between this and martha what are these places that you guys live in

28:07Ronnie Karam: no kidding this one was crazy so Missy is like oh my god wait who's she talking to Margo so Margo's like oh my god last thing I want to do is tell Missy that Kim did the thing that she was terrified of them doing she just didn't want people to judge her brother

28:26Ben Mandelker: so Missy is like sitting in like a stool in the corner and she's like well I think the vineyard went well and Margo's like if she finds out it happened and i didn't tell her that's gonna be a very sticky place to be i'm like you would be fine you had nothing to do with it you were inserting yourself into this drama and trying to act like you're doing it to be a good friend and you're just being messy margo so missy's like oh well i was happy that there was no one making fun of my brother what what you're making face you're making american face i'm scared oh what are you going to do now are you going to shoot me American face.

29:01Ronnie Karam: Well, I've actually had a pit in my stomach all day. I'm literally so nervous. Okay, you know how we all shared something that was like personal to us? I talked about a guy coming all over me on screen and you talked about a dead brother. Well, Kimmy was just like, oh, I really hated that. That wasn't real. And then we get a flashback where Kimmy's like, oh, God, I know that story. And it was just like some drug related thing. Well, that's what the press said. I mean, who knows what the real story was? Well, I'm just saying, let's not make it into some fucking sob story. Back to present.

29:34Ben Mandelker: What? Margot's like, yeah, I was like, Kimmy, that it's a real sob story that was in the press. And she was like, oh, come on. That just happens when with drugs. Like, I don't think we go back to Kimmy saying, you know, everybody sits there on whips. I'm ex of the big stank. But like, it's sad and it's horrible, but it is what it is.

29:53Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I mean, there's really no sticking up for Kimmy what she actually said, because she did kind of say all this stuff. She's not making it because there was one point where she's like, oh my god everyone's crying with drugs with drugs. Yeah, but still well, I mean, come on. I mean it happens. That's what happens with drugs

30:11Ben Mandelker: So Missy is like that's not fucking cool well, I would be like, oh well so Missy says like, yeah, well, he should have died you know, because he knew whatever, like, oh please She's like, I feel very hot from Kimmy. The reason why I don't talk about this is because I always expect someone to have something to say about it. So for her to be the one that goes and says that, she's a woman. She's a mother. I'm like, I fully get that because there was scandal attached to this. And like, you know, everyone is saying, oh, it was a hit. There were drugs. And like, it's frustrating that like this tragedy happened.

30:42Ben Mandelker: And you just want to be like, can we just like honor that this person died instead of like talking about the drugs and everything? But also like, why did you like this? you just like you you brought it to a reality tv show and like they're it's just they're gonna say

30:56Ronnie Karam: shit like this you know yeah i mean and that is what the news story is i don't know if you've looked it up but it's dark i mean it is it isn't just like some guy got shot and it's it is like you know they were thinking it's like gang and you know drug and all the stuff i mean he was shot 10 times they came right up and shot him i was it's a horrible horrible i mean still though whatever it is you know if if you were if someone was like my my family member is in the mob and he got shot inside you'd be thinking well duh but you don't say that you know what i mean yeah and by the way i think it is i think i read like a little headline about it i didn't read the whole thing

31:33Ben Mandelker: but it was missy was was kimmy being callous yes she was to be fair she wasn't being callous to missy's face but she was being callous but also you know missy doing this whole thing of like but if I like like she's doing them a favor by telling this story you know and it's like you know I don't know like like she when she's like I don't talk about this because people always have something to say about it it's like why did you bring it up here at this group then why like this is not

32:01Ronnie Karam: the way to do it and also you know I just I find the whole thing fascinating just because it's kind of how reality and I said this last week you know so I'm kind of repeating but it's just how reality TV is now where you just have to bring up every trauma. And that's the way that you get capital on these shows. It's like, it doesn't even matter. I mean, if you're on top chef and it's nearing the finals, they are not going to pick you. If you're like, I'm just a happy person who's well adjusted and has worked hard. And now I'm a good chef. You have to have some trauma. And it comes to the point where people are making it up.

32:32Ronnie Karam: It's like, well, I had a red wagon and my brother pushed me in it and I went too fast and I hit a stop sign and now I can't think straight. So it's so hard for me to cook and they're like oh my god but you still did it all after that red wagon trauma and then they'll give you the prize but they're not going to give it so i think they're all kind of trained to do this and especially missy is someone who's a real housewife and stuff she's like here i go it's time to introduce ourselves and this is my thing i'm going to get my trauma out and it's going to be great you know and so she does her big number and kemi is just that person like me in the audience who's so sick of this shit i'm sick of it and it's like someone does that and then the response is like an audience response it's like oh for fuck's sake i'm fast forwarding through this you know yeah it's like well why do i have to listen to this can i just have some wine

33:18Ben Mandelker: can i just watch top chef it's and like quite frankly i think one of the reasons why this show is being received so well i mean it's a great show but also there's so much shit going on the world, you know, like, you know, groceries are a million dollars. There's a war now, the economy, gas prices are up. There's just, there's just stuff. Ice, you know, is coming. Like there's just, there's just so many things that are terrible that are happening. And when we turn to these shows, we turn to reality TV, we want an escape and we turn and we just like, you're right. Reality TV sort of has become a thing of like, look what happened to me.

33:57Ben Mandelker: Look what happened to me. And there was a time and a place where that was actually a weird balm to what was going on in our lives. But right now, I think we just want to say, shut the fuck up. I'm not trying to focus on the dark shit right now.

34:11Ronnie Karam: I just need an hour of peace. And that whole trend started coming from a good place. It's like when the world got more sensitive. And it was like, you know what? You can't say this. This is hurtful. And this hurts people's feelings. And like, let's put, let's put, you know, non-traditional people on TV who aren't just like beautiful washboard abs people. And like, let's put people on with real stories and like real pain. And so I think all of that comes from a good place. But then real reality, you know, reality star, like kind of the typical reality star person saw that and was like, oh, my God, well, I'm, I'm doing it too.

34:48Ronnie Karam: So, you know, you've got this person, maybe they've got like one leg and only made it to second grade because they had to work the rest of the for to survive, make their family survive. OK, well, I have a trauma. And guess what? My abs hurt, you know, like becomes this thing where everybody is trying to outdo each other with the latest trend of like vomiting their personal shit all over TV for social capital. And it got to the point where it's just gross. It's it's just become gross now.

35:15Ben Mandelker: and the key thing that you just said is for social capital because i actually don't know if we the audience are we i don't think we have a hard time with learning about people and their past and the tough things that they've gone through we just had this scene with emma and and mark and that was interesting and captivating to learn about her health struggles it's like when you're at a wine we're watching a group scene a wine tasting and someone basically says oh here's my tragedy and now the entire show has to come to a halt and it's kind of like oh i i'm gonna just dump my trauma right here in this middle in the middle of like a fun scene and just so that way i kind of get some cred and like look at me look what i go through and it just sort of um it's annoying and that's where it's like oh my god we're just trying to enjoy a scene like if you have these these individual scenes where we learn about people it's fine but it's all about the context and i'm just like i think we're all just over it we just want to like have the fun scenes and that's why it's like when kimmy is sort of like unrelenting in her stance about this it's like really

36:19Ronnie Karam: refreshing it is and you see the other cast members on this show have all done it in a less ham-handed way i mean kimmy herself did she talked about her background and her growing it was fucking sad the stuff she was saying you have um this one uh the people that we're talking to wait who are we oh um martha martha's story is extremely sad and and honest um emma just told a very sad and on even mark you know was like i don't have a relationship with my dad you know they've all told really deep things but they're more believable because they're not being showy about they're not doing a fucking number of it and they're telling us they're not like making it a public like all right guys it's time for my story here it is my brother they're doing it in a very private honest way i mean there's just a fine line in how this stuff comes off and i think missy doesn't seem like a bad person and i don't want to like completely beat her over the head with it it's just we don't want to just miss a tragedy so right it's not even that it's just how you handle it is very different and i think how they handled it how everyone else on the show has handled theirs has been real and it's felt real whereas missy's felt performative and it's yes performative there's the

37:32Ben Mandelker: word and it's like we want to go back to the onion we want to peel the onion we don't want to cut it in half and smother it all over our face so um anyway the point is that missy is upset

37:45Ronnie Karam: and honestly she has a right to be because kimmy is being an asshole about i mean kimmy was a total i would never like even even this whole conversation we're having i don't think i would ever be like that i don't think um where i'm just like oh god shut up drugstore of course it was drugs you know maybe to you in private in a car i would do that but yeah yeah but it's also like what what

38:08Ben Mandelker: missy's doing is not that different than what amanda francis did you know at that dinner to get out of a tough conversation so it's like and you're like you it's like oh you can't joke about it you can't joke about it because these are serious things that happen but it does feel like Oh, but it's also being used in a strategic way. So now we're at Emma's house, and Emma's getting ready, and Martha calls up. She goes, oh, are you ready for today? I think there's going to be some kind of beef. And Emma's like, what happened? It's like, so Margot went for a drink with Missy, and told her that Kimmy has been a little bit flippant, and Missy is really, really, really upset.

38:50Ben Mandelker: I also gave him the keys to my house. I don't know what I was thinking. I just gave him to her. I felt so bad.

38:55Ronnie Karam: Then Missy calls Micah and catches her up on it. And Martha is saying, Well, you know, Kimmy, she doesn't like talking about emotion. Does she really? And then he's like, Well, we don't do it. English people just don't do that. We say less in those moments, probably. She's like, Well, I know that she's not actually British, but, you know, Kimmy treats emotions like a Brit. She drinks them. She doesn't feel them.

39:23Ben Mandelker: So Emma's like, yes, I think we have.

39:25Ronnie Karam: That's what I've always said. I love emotions. They are delicious. Breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

39:31Ben Mandelker: I think we have to let them deal with it. They better serve drinks at this thing. So we're at the event. It's a Kimmy event. You think they're not going to serve drinks? They will. Kimmy's at the event. She's at the space where they're going to be doing this painting. And Kimmy's getting a tour. And then Dev, the model, comes out. and he's like in a robe. She's like, okay, how about this? Why don't you remove your robe? I want to just get a preliminary view to see what we're working with here. And so he like drops his robe. She's like, okay, very nice. Turn around. Okay, very nice. Very good. Okay, spin around.

40:00Ben Mandelker: Okay. Now, can you hold it in your hand? Okay. Now, there's someone named Margot coming. You ever seen her movie? Do you think you'd be prepared for that? Okay, great. You're doing great.

40:07Ronnie Karam: Great job, Dev. This was so good. She's like, all right, drop the robe. Looking good. Wow. Well done, Dev. Well done. She's saying, well done, Dev. Well done. So people start coming and drinking. And Micah's like, oh, gosh, Martha, I just wanted to reach out to you because Margot told me there was some crazy, scary things happening to you. And we just get a flashback to Margot being like, oh, God. Martha's like, oh, I hired this painter. And then he quit. And she texted the guy, did you drop the keys in the letterbox? And she never gets an answer. So now he knows where she lives. Oh, my God. I can't be friends with this stupid woman anymore.

40:45Ronnie Karam: And we come back and she goes, oh, you mean with the builder? Yeah. Yeah, that was difficult.

40:52Ben Mandelker: Kimmy's like, oh, my God, you're going to get raped or murdered. Listen, I know. Margo's already told me that. Tell me that's full. Let's do the flashback. Like, oh, my God, if I find your dead body, I'm never going to be. I'm taking a step away from this relationship. Yeah, she really yelled at me last week when I was wearing a fez. So it was all good.

41:10Ronnie Karam: But, like, are you okay? She goes, oh, I'm okay. but I found it really scary at the time. She's like, well, maybe this was a good warning and maybe it's what you needed to just be careful next time. She's like, oh, I've got to stop giving them chances. You know, Margot's approach has made me pay attention, but I prefer Micah's for sure.

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43:39Ronnie Karam: So we go to the car with Mark. He's picking up Emma, and he's wearing jeans. And he sees her, and he's like, Oh, my God, you're such slag. I can hardly bring myself to come to terms with the extent of your slagishness. What are you, sewing knees? And she's like, Hello, slag. By the way, what are these exactly that you're wearing? He's like, We're painting. What are you talking about? She's like, I did not even know that Mark owned a pair of jeans. I'm quite shocked. I thought he was going to see Cowboy Carter, but he doesn't know what that is either. Bad reference.

44:16Ben Mandelker: I know. I'm surprised he wasn't like, you mean Cowboy Cartier? Ooh, this is the one instance in which I can wear jeans and feel like they're in some way appropriate to the activity I'm about to perform. Shut up! I'm hanging out with Americans. What else am I supposed to wear? so now Kimmy is telling Lottie to go eat she's like go eat you're you're skinny and pregnant just stay away from the blonde blonde every time I eat a banana I get a new boyfriend there's no elegant way to eat a banana though is there and there's actually Micah has actually made a video where she puts the banana on a plate and she cuts around the edge of the banana unpeels it and cuts little slices I was like that's not etiquette that's ridiculous extra

45:00Ronnie Karam: that is just that's just how does this woman have a business i would unsubscribe immediately if someone was like how to properly eat a banana with a knife and fork fuck off so um and then back to the party emma and mark arrive and he's like oh hello we've come to disgrace you with our

45:17Ben Mandelker: presence oh god kimmy you're matching the drink she's like well that's the kind of slut that i am You want a banana?

45:32Ronnie Karam: So Emma tells Kimmy that she had her injection for Nairobi. And she had to get all these because she's going there for the 10K. So she had to get like, you know, all these disease. Like the vaccines. You know, whatever. The vaccines. Thank you. I can remember that word. So Kimmy's like, well, what did you have? Yellow fever, hepatitis A. and she tells us about the charity and how she's been an ambassador for Tusk for many years and Longleat has supported them for many years and Kimmy's like, oh god see, when you're from Haiti, you don't have to do anything I've had cholera, I've had malaria

46:11Ben Mandelker: Emma goes, if they bite you, they'll die first yes, that's what I always say every time I have a banana well, that kiddo that got me became an alcoholic

46:23Ben Mandelker: Margot and Missy are arriving They're in the car And Margot's like How are you feeling about going in right now? Did I make you mad enough? And she's like I feel fine Like I feel like we should go and have a few drinks Say hi to everyone And then you know I'll just take her to sides at some point Yeah Maybe before she's had a drink though Cause you know She's an alcoholic Let's put that out there Okay

46:43Ronnie Karam: But she drinks so fast How am I supposed to do it before we have a drink? I need to say something to Kimmy but I can't keep this feeling in me. I want her to know it's not okay to be so cruel. I need to get it out of my system. I hope she apologizes.

46:58Ben Mandelker: I'm an honest Scandinavian. That's how we are. We're all honest. I have to let it out.

47:04Ronnie Karam: And so back at the party, Lottie's asking Kimmy how she is. And she's like, well, I haven't seen anyone has spoken since the winery. And she goes, really? Oh, God. I mean, that was just such a traumatic experience. I just, I had to recover for three days.

47:21Ben Mandelker: So, uh, Misty and Margot arrive, but like Kimmy and Lottie are still talking. She goes, I mean, people are either two things. They're fountains or they're drains. And most people are drains.

47:31Ronnie Karam: I loved that. I've never heard that before. They're fountains or they're drains and most people are drains. Well said.

47:37Ben Mandelker: I know. I made sure I rewound it to make sure Dom heard that. I was like, Dom, did you hear that?

47:42Ronnie Karam: That was good. That's a good one. It was really a fountains. We have tons of sayings written on dish towels, and I've never seen that one.

47:49Ben Mandelker: It was a brilliant. Fountains or drains. I was like, it's just so perfect. Speaking of fountains, here's Margo.

48:00Ronnie Karam: So they come in, and Kimmy sees them together. And Missy tries to be kind of bitchy. She's like, hello. and Kimmy's like, oh gosh, well I heard from a little birdie that maybe a magpie but Missy's upset and I just don't know why

48:20Ben Mandelker: I am peace at her but I just haven't the time for life for too short so I'm just going to try to have a good time so they head upstairs for the artistic experience and Dev comes out in his robe and he like drops it and they all start to paint but Mark is like clutching his pearls he's like, you wouldn't think so but i'm a great believer in less is more as evidenced by the entire apartment right less

48:45Ronnie Karam: nudity more coverage the first prudish gay we've ever had on bravo ever he does this is the first not this is the first gay that's like oh yes give me your cock bitch yes you know this is the first one is like oh my god nudity i can't i would never so um emma emma's like i'm having a panic attack and she just keeps saying keep calm carry on let's go keep calm carry on let's go look at me

49:16Ben Mandelker: entirely out of sorts i apologize everyone for being so loud and and crazy oh goodness i can't it must be all over my face i'm just ravaged with emotion right now i apologize sorry everyone

49:31Ronnie Karam: micah's like a spammer keeps calling me so i'm just picking up the phone and dialing numbers

49:35Ben Mandelker: into their face you should be like hey spammer people are either fountains or drains what are

49:42Ronnie Karam: you over it it's like over and over they keep calling me and then i say hello and they just hang up so now i'm just gonna hate that when they're face why are you even spamming so micah

49:51Ben Mandelker: goes micah's like i'm not a prude i'm definitely not a prude florida micah's delighted this is on the bucket list. Hold on. Over and out. This is Micah calling Dara. Dara, there's a naked man here. Hello, Dara, are you there? Do you remember me? It's Florida Micah. Anyone? Dara?

50:09Ronnie Karam: Dara? So they're all talking about what it's like to see a wiener. Like, oh my gosh. And Marco's like, oh, here in London, they call it a willy. They're very demure. Well, I'll say it. It's a cock.

50:24Ben Mandelker: And Missy's like, coca rico. And Marco's I believe it's commonly referred to us. An appendage. So then he grabs some flowers and puts some flowers on his easel. And he's like, look, I'm going to paint the flowers. They're in the view. I don't have to look at the willy. I'm not getting aroused. Please, everyone, don't look at me. I'm not getting flushed. Keep the emotions in. Emotions in.

50:46Ronnie Karam: Have you not seen a penis before, darling? Well, I don't believe I have been acquainted with. You can always close your eyes then. All right, then? Just close your eyes, Mark. Mark, are you still talking? Do give up, dear. Of course I'm uncomfortable. I think the whole thing is absolutely hideous and entirely unnecessary.

51:08Ben Mandelker: Mark was so massively attracted to Dev. That's what was happening here. And he was like, I can't possibly be attracted to this man, this poor man, literally poor man in a lower class. I cannot. He was clearly into Dev, which is why he was so like, I can't look. I mustn't look at Dev.

51:27Ronnie Karam: Oh, can I be expected to paint someone when I don't even know their lineage?

51:32Ben Mandelker: Yeah, that's exactly what he was thinking. But wow, he was hot for Dev.

51:38Ronnie Karam: Kimmy goes around to judge paintings, and they're actually all fairly decent. I'm surprised. They all do them really differently. Lottie keeps telling us she's like an actual artist because she went to art school. So hers is pretty good. But everyone else is doing kind of impressionist type things. but they're all actually good, which is weird. You never see that on these shows, except for Kimmy's. Kimmy does probably the most offensive one. She just draws his dick, but she does it with, like, greenish-brown paint, and then she does it in these kind of swirls, and it looks like Jabba the Hutt.

52:12Ronnie Karam: It looks like Jabba the Hutt. And he looks at it, and Dev did not look happy. She shows Dev, and Dev's like, um, just looks down at his dick like, really? He didn't like it.

52:23Ben Mandelker: Martha goes Kimmy I must say you have made him look like he's a good course of penicillin it's oozy and it's green Missy goes I hate her but she is funny so Kimmy's like well they're all exceptional but I have to say the most great of the bunch is Martha's Martha's no really mine Kimmy's like yes I love how she put him standing towards the side and Martha's but that's just where she was standing he's like mad he didn't win with his flowers

52:50Ronnie Karam: Martha is the winner Martha, there you go She's like, oh, I finally won something Yeah, take my ID, Dev Take it, just take it

53:02Ben Mandelker: Lottie's mad Lottie's like, it would be too obvious to choose mine Because, you know, oh, choose the one that's been drawn by the girl who went to art school And, by the way, is pregnant You know, the others can have a go Fine Lottie was mad Lottie was like, I didn't pay 400 ,000 pounds just to go to art school And not be complimented at a cheap nude painting session.

53:24Ronnie Karam: Oh good, so this is officially over now. We can retire. So they go downstairs to have some food and drinks and stuff and Emma's like, oh there's so many bowls on the table, there's a little fried bowl of something everywhere we turn. Well I love bowls. After we had the Debbie Downer party, I just wanted to laugh a little and drink a little and I don't know, draw a penis. And that's exactly how it's gone.

53:50Ben Mandelker: Well, ladies, I hope everyone's having a nice time. And it's such a good thing the sun is out today. Makes those bananas taste better. Am I right? So Missy gets up and she's just like, I'm gonna, she basically is like, can we go have a talk? So they put, they go off to the side and everyone's watching and Martha's thinking, I'm thinking, oh, I don't want them. I don't want to be here. I hate conflict. I'm playing just to get really drunk and keep my head down.

54:15Ronnie Karam: All right, Missy, I've heard through the grapevine that you're a little bit upset. Quite. I'm quite upset. Quite upset, yes.

54:23Ben Mandelker: Yes, I'm quite upset. I'm quite upset. She's like, but why? Really? I don't understand why. Are you joking? Why? No.

54:32Ronnie Karam: Are you joking? Why? So just tell me what you're going to say, because I am a little shocked. Well, okay, you know, I spoke about my brother, yes, and that is a really sensitive subject for me. Well, okay, but wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Let me stop you there. I'm not apathetic towards a situation. I've had horrible situations happen in my life, but what I do have a problem with is there's very sad situations thrown on people that you don't really know that well.

55:01Ben Mandelker: She goes, exactly. You mean exactly. Kimmy goes, you start, you said it, because it is a big topic in my life that I apparently never talk about to anyone except for right now for the first time at the wine tasting.

55:12Ronnie Karam: She goes, all right, but do you think that's appropriate at a wine tasting where we're being served block the wall?

55:19Ben Mandelker: Yes, it is not wrong. She goes, but it's not an AA meeting.

55:26Ben Mandelker: Oh, that's great. So Margo's like, oh, oh, look at them over there. She's doing a lot of you said and I never, the hands are moving. Oh, oh, this is not an apology. Martha goes, it's Kimmy. It's not going to be an apology.

55:40Ronnie Karam: so we go back and missy's like this is me a way of getting to know people no that's not a way of

55:46Ben Mandelker: getting to know people it's not of course it is no that's getting to suck people's energy is what

55:53Ronnie Karam: it is and i got triggered because what you started with started a whole slew of stories and everybody's got a shot brother everybody's bleeding out of their eyes by the end of that

56:03Ben Mandelker: thing and you started it it's like no it it didn't start a whole bunch of sad stories Cut flashback a lot of being like, my daughter has cancer. Martha, my sister died by suicide. The waiter being like, my car got a flat tire. They're like, oh, God, it's contagious.

56:20Ronnie Karam: It's not wrong to be in touch with your emotions, but why would you use something someone says to be like, oh, she's, no, no, no, no, don't start that. You say it's a sob story, he's a drug dealer, whatever you said. No, no, no, no. Well, Margot was there. She knows. Fuck Margot. That's what I say is fuck Margot. Wow.

56:38Ben Mandelker: Margot's like, I just don't like, they're watching still. Margot's like, I just don't like her tone. Why is she yelling at Missy? Well, look at how hard Missy will fight to not address her issues, right? She's like, yeah, but it's a lot. She's like, but she's being rude. So Martha goes, Kimmy's had a very tough life. She's triggered when someone else talks about it because Kimmy's not going to do the therapy. That's not Kimmy. Kimmy's going to party away through life.

57:02Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but then that means we all have to do whatever Kimmy wants. No, it doesn't. By you insisting on telling dramatic stories the whole time, you're trying to force everybody. It's like she doesn't have the emotions that you wanted. So you want her to have those emotions, or you're going to make sure that somebody confronts her about it, and now you're going to go over there and confront her about it because she didn't react the way that you wanted. You're the one trying to force this, not her. Kimmy never said anything about it to you. She never said, don't bring this up. You guys are the ones making this a big deal.

57:33Yeah, so Martha's like, yeah, she was insensitive,

57:35Ben Mandelker: but Kimmy's not going to back down when confronted. It's like getting cross with a dog for shitting on a sidewalk. That's what they do, you know? They just shit on a sidewalk. Or if you have them in your house, they shit on your house. Or if you have a magpie, they shit on the dog. It then shits on your house. A lot of shitting happens in my house, is what I'm trying to say.

57:51Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so Margot's like, oh my god, should I step in? And Lottie goes, oh no to them. No, don't go over there. Don't do it. She goes, okay. Then you go then. Just kidding, I'll go. I mean, obviously I'm just going to try and defuse it. So she goes over there. And she says Kimmy's chosen friends That won't call her on her shit And so when she's around people who call her out She can't cope with it at all Oh, she can cope with you just fine, lady Have fun

58:17Ben Mandelker: Well, what are we going to do? We're just going to sit and drink And just, like, never talk about topics You know, Kimmy's like, well, this is a great idea I'm glad we're finally on the same page

58:26Ronnie Karam: So wait a minute You're asking me to sit with a group of girls And a wine tasting and share No, this is normal It's not normal how people can make fun of that shit She goes, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. Rewind. There was no making fun. There was no making fun. And then we cut to the car and she says, oh, God, people opening up too much.

58:48Ben Mandelker: But you did make fun of it. No, I didn't. I just did a fake snore, which I think we all laughed at. You know, it's just like funny. And Missy is like, yes, you are. She goes, oh, God. Kim, Margo, is that what you said? You said that I made fun. Margo goes, you said it's just what happens when you're involved in drugs and you should get over it. so what so what did i said that okay that's not mockery when i tell you i was not laughing i was

59:15Ronnie Karam: cheering in my house because listen if i said something nasty and i was confronted i'd be like listen i'm so sorry i never should have said that and she's been done with it but for her to actually stick up for herself and be like no you bring this depressing shit to a wine tasting and ruin it and i'm not gonna apologize for it's bullshit for you to bring it up and that she just keeps going and she just keeps going so hard for it. I was like, at the very least, you've got to applaud the confidence in this person because this is crazy. So she goes, so what? I said, so what she does is take, what Margot does is she takes something and she manipulates it and she stirs it around in her little cauldron and it makes it into something that gives her some attention.

59:56Ben Mandelker: I don't need to get attention. And Margot's like, Kimmy Murdoch, you do everything for attention. You are the loudest little person I've ever met. You're like a pint-sized Popeye for attention.

1:00:08Ronnie Karam: And Kimmy's like, oh, Margot, shut the fuck up, Margot. You're a fucking bitch is what you are. And by the way, she says, get your finger out of my face. She goes, oh, yeah? Bring it on. Bring it on, Margot.

1:00:20Ben Mandelker: So Martha's like, well, I kind of feel like we should be wearing a bulletproof vest right now. But I also feel like, was that, should I have not made that analogy in the presence of Missy? But I also feel like a really inappropriate thing to say in this situation. situation oh i guess she really does say that yeah margo's like well missy doesn't want to

1:00:39Ronnie Karam: have a drink on her missy doesn't want to have to drink her way through her feelings oh well great oh so i glad that i'm sitting with a bunch of people that are so in tune with her feelings oh god don't look at her missy look at me look at me and margo's like wait what am i looking at exactly i'm looking at a heartless mean cold bitter woman she goes huh well margo tell me

1:01:00Ben Mandelker: exactly what i said then tell me she's like do you not remember no i'm asking you it's like well why don't you have another drink and i'll tell you 10 more times well i would love some blong

1:01:09Ronnie Karam: to blong please and she goes well why don't you have another drink well she goes i don't drink oh yeah that which is why you get to be so so so self-righteous now you can't win your argument so you're gonna call somebody a drunk because you're that fucking weak i hate when people do that like oh really why don't you have another drink oh get out of here i'm not the one who couldn't

1:01:28Ben Mandelker: handle it margo's like yeah margo's like you know when you're clear-eyed and sober and american some people look different and some people look the same and i've only seen one side of kimmy straight vodka with no ice i'm like i don't see the problem here so far well amen 90 of us would

1:01:46Ronnie Karam: order that over the fucking glass of you know off-brand perrier your ass is i know missy's

1:01:52Ben Mandelker: like the subject is very close to my heart and if that was too dark for you and and the tension seeking and she goes well it was dark it was dark i love that kimia's like yes it was you're correct

1:02:02Ronnie Karam: thank you for acknowledging my feelings on this it really upset me well it upset me too oh it upset you just yeah it did

1:02:13Ben Mandelker: i wasn't trying to belittle anything about the death of her brother i thought it was inappropriate at a wine case and discuss such deep dark issues there's a place for that but that wasn't the place for it so so micah's watching and she's like i don't think the himmy said it to hurt her i really don't i know there's of course no madison it and lottie goes and not everyone's the same you know some people might want to share things and some people might not want to for instance something i'd like to share is that i'm pregnant well you know what i think you're jealous because i'm

1:02:45Ronnie Karam: speaking about my stuff just oh yeah i'm so jealous yeah and because you don't want to share anything about your side. She goes, okay, you know what? This is not going anywhere. Let's just go. And Kimmy goes, you guys are total bitches. By the way.

1:03:00Ben Mandelker: So they all get up and Missy's like, I liked Kimmy. I thought we could actually be friends. She's not trying to hold accountability for what she said, though. She's trying to put it on Margot and I just think I really do deserve an apology. So they all get together at the table again and Kimmy's like, well, Mark, I'm an alcoholic apparently and I'd like to raise a glass of champagne, please.

1:03:22Ronnie Karam: Blonk to blonk. They called me an alcoholic. Can I please get another drink?

1:03:28Ben Mandelker: So, well, there we are, darling. At your service. So outside Lottie and Missy are talking,

1:03:34Ronnie Karam: and Lottie's checking on her, and Missy's like, oh, my God, she's so in her ways. I'm like, you know what? You're not even worth it. You're not worth it. Well, you want to talk about deep things, darling. You can call me.

1:03:45Ben Mandelker: And she's like, exactly. So Martha's like, oh, Kimmy, she's upset. Look, she's so upset. Well, I am not apathetic to what happened to her, you know? Like, if she wants a banana, I'll give her a banana. But, like, I mean, what else do you want me to do?

1:03:58Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but what you said was apathetic. Well, Margot, that's your interpretation of it. All right?

1:04:06Ben Mandelker: I think Missy's a pawn in a much bigger chess game. And Margot made it into something now that makes me look like a bald person, but which is a really bald choice movie on her part. Really bald choice movie, Margot.

1:04:18Ronnie Karam: Well, I guess I should say something to Missy. You know what, I'm going to say something. So she goes outside to where Missy is, and she's like, Missy, let me just say something to you. I would never intentionally hurt you from something that happened to your brother. I'm the most sensitive person about these things. Ask the extinct bird that sits behind me. Listen, I apologize if you felt I was being insensitive. She goes, you can say what you want, but I think when you say certain things, she goes, yeah, but you know what, it is who I am, and it's not certain things about people. Okay? It's just who I am.

1:04:50Ben Mandelker: i'm really sensitive i'm one of the most sensitive people you've ever met so you know like when you're going wow wow brother don't blah blah blah and boring us all to tears just remember i'm being

1:05:01Ronnie Karam: quite sensitive about it well then that's who you are and that's how i am and she goes okay then we just have to disagree to agree to disagree and she goes well i don't think it's cool she goes well listen i'm not gonna say well look i don't like to think it's cool either to like tell me that i can't say that i don't want to sit at a lunch party that's very dark and i apologize if that hurts your feelings but that's who i am i'm so glad she's sticking to her guns missy she is giving she's saying she is sorry for your brother but she doesn't like that you brought up a huge made a huge lunch a dark thing you guys sat in the car for three hours to get this fucking lunch and then you made it a big sob fest you know that's right the whole world three hours that's a good point

1:05:45Ben Mandelker: three hours to make a sob fest.

1:05:48Ronnie Karam: The whole world is not required to rally around and sob when you tell them to. I'm not your fucking dancing monkey, babe. Sorry. I don't know you.

1:05:55Ben Mandelker: You also waited. That's such a good point. I feel like we never really talked about how the three hours when you sit three hours in traffic and you just want some wine afterwards and then this person comes in and just like, I'm going to turn this into a sad sob story where we're all going to sit around and cry. It's like, no, I want to have wine and get drunk. We're here to party. party party so missy's like it is such a tragedy in my life don't you have feelings towards another person and the grief because you're asked you're basically saying you have to stop having fun and

1:06:25Ronnie Karam: and give me your feelings right now you're using it as a weapon at this point and it's gross you know you used to the social capital before and now you're using it as a weapon stop just stop so kimmy is just like whatever she just waves she's like waves her off and goes back to the table and so martha's like are you okay missy and she's like i'm fine i just want to go home so kimmy tells mark she's like oh god i'm made i'm being made out to be the fucking villain over there great good for me are you okay though kimmy she's oh well fuck them it's like no kimmy

1:07:00Ben Mandelker: no she's like well i was not trying to be mean lottie goes but you have upset her though and perhaps even the baby that I have because I'm pregnant.

1:07:10Ronnie Karam: And she's like, well, I don't dislike her. I just found it heavy. That's all. Yes, but now she feels like you've had a go at her for sharing something when she was vulnerable. Well, you know how she started getting in my face, you know, so whatever. So then Mark goes to Missy and he's like all sensitive. He's kneeling by her car and he's holding her hand and he's like, you know what? The only thing I would say for her is it's not making fun it's making light of something that i think is very close to her home and this is something else you know and they're mentioned he's they're kind of mentioning it except nobody's listening you know all the people who know kimmy are basically saying listen kimmy grew up in haiti like she's got some stories like her dad was involved in god knows what she's got a lot of stories lord only knows we can guess what they would be about and she's got a lot of trauma and pain that we know about and when she blows things off it's because she doesn't want to be dragged into a place where she's sitting there sobbing talking about her own traumas she just some people like to just move on with their lives and not wallow in the drama and some people don't you know so he's like it's not being her it's not her being insensitive it's almost this is her

1:08:24Ben Mandelker: being overly sensitive in a way you know so lottie is like telling kimmy inside like but couldn't you just said i didn't mean it that way i'm sorry just but i did i did say that i mean i'm fucking sad it but it's like but she said you didn't even say sorry well i did i did in the end i was trying to be nice and i realized like you know whatever like but like i'm just like saying that like some people are different oh and so mark is still talking to missy and he's like well maybe you'll never see eye to eye exactly it doesn't really matter okay it's like thank you my love please take your emotions and go somewhere else we're going we're going to go back to drinking and

1:09:02Ronnie Karam: laughing he is good though what's interesting about mark is he tries to do this whole like i have no feelings whatsoever but then he's actually super sensitive to everybody which is weird like he never once really agreed with kimmy it was like oh i know isn't it awful people sharing like he didn't really go in with her he just listened to her and laughed but then he can still be sensitive to the other people. That's pretty impressive. I'm liking Mark.

1:09:28Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I like him. And then Martha, meanwhile, they're still talking about how everything went left. And Martha goes, yes, but then South Carolina got involved. I was like, whoa. I love that not-so-subtle snobbery about Americans. And she was like, well, I was like, butch. I was like, what are you doing here? I'm like, don't fucking come at my throat.

1:09:46Ronnie Karam: Well, you know, she is a punk, but she's a legendary punk. And they just laugh.

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