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0:45Ben Mandelker: You guys, I have some legendary news for you. 20 years after its debut, the HBO original comedy series The Comeback is finally back. I've always loved how the show skewers Hollywood and seeing Lisa Kudrow return as the iconic Valerie Cherish is exactly what we need right now.

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2:15Ben Mandelker: Well, hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo. We love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker. Joining me today is the glorious and sweet Ronnie Karam. Hi, Ronnie. Hi. How you doing? I'm great. It's Monday. I'm caffeinated. I just had a breakfast burrito that was delicious. So I can't think of a better way to start the day. Today we're talking marriage to medicine. Triumphant reunion episode. You know, you sit through the awful couples trips episode three in a row or nothing happens. but then you get to the promised land of the married to medicine reunion and all is forgiven am i right uh so we are talking about that today truly truly and in fact when they show clips of the season on the reunion i'm like wow what a great season i'm like you know it really would have been a great season if they just condensed the couple's trip down to one episode or even two just to like cut the fluff and just get to the good stuff anyway married medicine has that issue

3:15Ronnie Karam: though every year i feel like they're i feel like every year of the show the year the season starts off and people like this is the best season ever this show's so good and we're all so excited and then by the end it's like oh for christ sake i don't know maybe it needs fewer episodes you know you know i'm a big proponent of 12 episode seasons i'm a huge fan of a 12 episode season and this one was close it was only 14 but that would have gotten rid of most of that couple's trip so but you know what it also is a reminder of what a good cast this is this show like the core cast on this show is just magic and every time we have a reunion you are reminded that these

3:54Ben Mandelker: are pros here absolutely today well they are so funny and it's like i'm also like this show's been around for a long time and there's just so much backstory here and you know i fell off of it the past like two seasons i think it was two two three seasons i was like watching it half watching and I'm really actually happy to have returned to it. You know, you stuck with it like full. You were full in it the whole time. I had like a little bit of a break, but I'm so happy to have been back in it even with that deadly couples trip because this reunion reminds us like it's so good. But they also, it is like a show that does kind of hit the same notes over and over again.

4:34Ben Mandelker: Like, oh, it's another reunion where Simone is arriving in. she's hot and she's declaring that she's never gonna be friends with someone ever again it's like every year this happens but anyway before we get into that it's either heavenly or jackie this year it's both heavenly and jackie it's the whole thing before we get into that though we have two live things we're doing today first at 1 30 west coast time which is the same as 4 30 East Coast time. We're doing Amazon live. I'm really excited because I am comparison shopping with some steamers, a bunch of steamers. And I did like my own little consumer reports testing here yesterday with steamers.

5:16Ben Mandelker: And I have a lot to report back on. And then we have crappy hour later tonight at 530 West Coast time, 830 East Coast time. And there's a lot to talk about with crappy hour as well. A lot of stuff, a lot of public apologies, shows being put on pause, all sorts of junk so that's stuff that will be happening later today so we look forward to that

5:39Ronnie Karam: anywho yeah and also our newsletter just came out which is basically a blog of the week in bravo it's kind of a recap of all the shows and this week was a recap of us at south by southwest and that's also our bonus episode this week so we couldn't shut up about it we blogged about it we did a an episode about it so we had so much fun so go check that out that's free on patreon on that's also where you get bonus videos and video recaps and ad free listening actually okay let's get into it married to medicine season 12 episode 15 reunion part one

6:15Ben Mandelker: so people are arriving at the new york city studios and heavily announces uh she's like my voice is hoarse from campaigning but i'm gonna i'm gonna hang with the girls i've got a horse voice and so much campaigning. I'm sure it is

6:30Ronnie Karam: rough when you campaign like this. Your mama. Your mama want lower taxes. Bitch.

6:36Ben Mandelker: Dr. Heavenly Kimes, what's your stance on global warming and whether we should pivot towards green technologies?

6:44Ronnie Karam: Your mama. Your mama should close her legs. That's what I think about global warming.

6:50Ben Mandelker: I'll tell you about a green technology. Your mama's a green technology. That's really all you have to say about that.

6:59Ronnie Karam: So Quad is, you know, excited. Season 12, married to Madison reunion. Here we go. Simone is getting her makeup done. And the makeup artist is like, oh, my gosh. This is the first time you and Jackie haven't shared a room in five years. It's like the five-year itch. She's ready to fight with Jackie again. Yeah.

7:23Ben Mandelker: She's like, well, I think as my friend of almost 30 years, if you can't stand up for me and speak the truth, then are we even friends? And then we see that something happened, which is that on Watcher Happens Live, Jackie was, Andy was asking Jackie about the whole situation with Heavenly and did Simone push her? And Jackie basically was like, well, you know, I wasn't there. And Andy was like, yeah, but you saw the footage. She's like, well, I don't really know how to use a TV. So I'm not sure really if I saw the footage or was it just a reflection of me on the screen.

8:01Ronnie Karam: I have a husband who still drives a PT Cruiser. And I don't understand technology. Thank you. Which was pretty weak of Jackie. I can understand Simone being pissed off at Jackie. That's some bullshit. Because she did not get physical. Now, as is kind of pointed out later, she didn't get physical, but it still got to the point after the arm toss or whatever, whatever you would call it, the arm removal, the hand removal from her arm. It did get into such a bad fight that they had to be physically separated, but they weren't. I just and the only reason I bring that and I know that there's a huge difference in fighting and spouting off and getting physical.

8:42Ronnie Karam: Obviously, legally, there's a difference. There's there's a difference. So I'm not saying there's not. It's just funny how Simone is like, I am a professional. And I'm like, yeah, but you still had to be peeled off somebody. So, but you know, I do get the physical is what makes it. So yeah, I would have been pissed at Jackie too.

9:00Ben Mandelker: I would have been pissed too. I don't know if I would have thrown out the friendship over it, but I would have been pissed. So yeah, Simone is like, she's just like upset that Jackie was staying neutral. And then we see Jackie's getting ready and Quaz there. And she goes, well, I see that we've got you in a cumbersome situation. Like cumbersome. That's like, sure. I guess it's like, is she doing manual labor right now? I'm not sure. So Jackie's like, I've been there before. And you survived. It's like being in surgery. Surgery and except you're on national TV and you're just dealing with your friend being cranky.

9:37Ben Mandelker: But yeah, pretty much like surgery.

9:38Ronnie Karam: So we go to Heavenly and she's like, well, she says she's so hurt by Simone and Simone has unfollowed her. And then I saw the blog and she saw a blog where Simone said that you chose the devil. You know what I'm saying? I mean, come on. Simone's got to do the most. I'm not a devil. I'm not a devil. I'm Heavenly. Heavenly times.

9:56Ben Mandelker: Well, and then Andy goes to check in on Jack and he's like, well, you're supposed to be in the room with your friend. I'm sad. And I don't like thinking that I hurt her. Well, you and I had the conversation on Watch What Happens Live, which was so funny. God, God. And she's a doctor. She has a reputation. She has a practice, which is why I pressed the issue on live TV. And I think it's about what you didn't say, right? About her boobs. Andy coming in as if he didn't stir up this whole mess. Yeah, exactly.

10:29Ronnie Karam: And I like that Andy's like, well, here's what I think. It's what you didn't say. Okay, now I'm going to go stir with her. So then he runs off to her, to Simone's room. And he's like, Simone, this is deep. And I'm talking as someone who's a dad. I've got children.

10:47Ben Mandelker: Well, you saved me from a divorce once. And I don't know if you can help me again. I'm like, this is worse than the, this is worse than what you were dealing with with Cecil. I, please, I'm sorry. I love Simone. I think she's great. I think she has every right to be pissed at Jackie. but like when you start acting like you know this is the end of a friendship i just think it's just

11:09Ronnie Karam: too much it's too much to do that but that's simone you know she gets upset and that's it she's like a cut him off cut him off kind of a girl but the thing is on these shows you know andy has made it a very big stance in the past few years if you guys can't make up then that's it like he did it with jersey he did it with well i don't know if that was new york's probably like straight up problematic behavior was new york's problem but we've seen it happen on a lot of the shows where if you can't be friends then you're you're out you know like or we're gonna pause the show or whatever so this is dangerous because now simone is like half the half the core cast you know it's two people that she doesn't want to talk to yeah that's not good and then you're putting all of your hopes on some on uh toya to be there for you to toys a toil turn toys a turn Yeah.

11:56Yeah.

11:58Ben Mandelker: So Andy's like, well, tonight we're calling in 911. And the ladies from Mary to Madison are reuniting. So then we get the trailer. And now everyone comes to the stage. And the stage, is it a stage or is it a landing? Because they've set up the stage to look like the staircase at the Met Gala, which is a tribute to the Med Gala. Except, of course, the Med Gala looks nothing like this because it continues in the storied history of Bravo shows that try to stage a fake Met Gala and look nothing at all like the, you know, the Met Gala in New York City. And of course, I'm thinking of Salt Lake City when Mary Cosby had her Met Gala luncheon at Valters and there was a little red carpet out on the dirty snow.

12:43Ben Mandelker: Yeah.

12:44Ronnie Karam: This one has crosses everywhere, you know, like medical crosses. It's like a pattern all over the walls. I just want to go ask for free mandates. It looks like a Red Cross. It's weird. So, Jack.

12:55Ben Mandelker: There was something, sorry, there was something so jarring about the fact that this was, like, made to look like a giant staircase. Like, they were just on an enormous landing, but there were stairs above them and stairs below them. Yeah. And it felt like we were in transition. Like, it didn't feel like we were, like, seated somewhere, if that made sense. But, like, everyone was on the way up or on the way down, which I guess is a visual metaphor.

13:16Ronnie Karam: But also being, like, really tiny people on the way up or down. Yes. Yes. It's like the incredible shrinking woman, like going up or going down. No, let's just stop on this step and have a reunion.

13:25Ben Mandelker: It was all red. It just was sort of wacky. It reminded me of some of those Salt Lake City reunions where they made this look like the place that you stand in line at Disneyland to get you ready for Pirates of the Caribbean or something. It's like great Disney-fied.

13:43Ronnie Karam: Well, if one thing these ladies know how to deliver is high fashion and high blood pressure. Nailed it Okay good to see you Dr. Jackie You vaccinated for drama tonight Whoa She's like I am

13:58Ben Mandelker: I am double doses Oh I'm sorry under the new administration You've just lost your medical license But it was a metaphor No vaccines allowed whatsoever I'm sorry

14:09Ronnie Karam: Okay Dr. Heavenly Will you be practicing diplomacy tonight She's like mom proceed You also have lost your medical license

14:26Ronnie Karam: So he basically just goes around And says hi to everybody And Toya gets first seat Which is you know of course It goes to her head right away She tries to lead the entire reunion And she's like the set looks breathtaking I love that I was able to inspire The people

14:45Ben Mandelker: Yes Toya Everyone said you know what we need a set that speaks of Toya Bush Harris. Let's get a bunch of staircases. If you were inspiring the people, it would be a U-Haul.

15:00Ronnie Karam: The back of a rider truck. So Jackie's like, well, Toya did have a good leader. And he's like, oh, wow. We're going to fight over that. And Toya's like, oh, now so you want to claim the spot? You want to try to take my living art? My living art, Medgala?

15:18Ben Mandelker: Um, and, uh, so then Andy's like, well, okay. Well, okay. Simone, you brought me some earplugs tonight. It is right. It's, it's the right one that I'm going to be popping in. Right. Oh, that was kind of you. Hi, Dr. Mimi.

15:36Ronnie Karam: She's like, hi, this is reunion. Mimi. I'm ready to rumble. Reunion Mimi strapped in and ready. And enjoy and try to sell you a ticket to get on the reunion stage.

15:48Ben Mandelker: That was good.

15:53Ronnie Karam: Oh. So, yeah. Mimi's like, tickets, donations, whatever she wanted. Whatever she wanted. So we say hi to Quad. And he asks her if blondes have more fun because she's a blonde today. And she's like, that's what the people say, Andy. I have fun every day in my life, though. Every day I demand fun. I'm Quad. Non cumbersome quad.

16:21Ben Mandelker: That's right you do. And hey, speaking of fun, it's America's funnest reality star, Dr. Cadessa. Any predictions for tonight? Well, a stormy night ahead, but at least it's going to be a beautiful war because everybody looks amazing. Okay. That meant nothing. Okay. I was really surprised when I walked into Simone's room today and you and Jackie were not sharing as I think you've done almost every single year. It's almost as if someone here had one of you on the stage and kind of destroyed your relationship, right?

16:58Ronnie Karam: I needed Jackie and she failed to deliver. I am an unborn baby still, Andy, and I just wanted to be in a room by myself.

17:10Ben Mandelker: I am a pizza that's lost in a

17:14Ronnie Karam: dominoes truck i am undelivered so i am an unkept promise andy he's like okay well we'll get into

17:22Ben Mandelker: it a little later well why'd you bring it up then i know i am every parcel and fedex ground sorry

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20:36Ronnie Karam: yeah rightly so i just had to go pick one up at my neighbor's house oh god those bitches not your neighbor every time i'm telling you every fucking time every single time all right

20:48Ben Mandelker: well i'm really hoping we can get to a better place which is what every package of thanks crowd says and i'm confident that we can okay but first let's tear each other down this season toyota put down roots in a brand new home with a giant cherry blossom tree planted in her closet but as eugene branched out to a long distance career toyota went out on a limb to run this year's med gala trees and leaves everyone and furthermore sap and twigs tree puns why do you

21:20Ronnie Karam: keep calling her Toyota?

21:22Ben Mandelker: Toyota? I'm saying Toyota, but my handy impersonation adds the top to it. Toyota. Because I'm affordable and reliable.

21:32Ronnie Karam: How dare you? She would be so pissed if you called her Toyota. She doesn't want to be at least make her a Lexus.

21:39Ben Mandelker: Toyota is actually an amazing nickname for her. Toyota. Toyota Camry. I don't think she's as reliable as that just maybe a toyota just like a toyota i don't know toyota's are actually all

21:54Ronnie Karam: reliable right you're like i cannot diss a toyota not as easy as fedex ground is it no but toyota is a distant you know because she thinks like i think the diss would be something along the lines of

22:06Ben Mandelker: like you know you think you're at rolls but you're really just a toyota or something like i don't know

22:10Ronnie Karam: but like you don't have to workshop that you know so of course we uh ask if toyota damn it see if Toya is still in the same house. Oh, if Toya is still in the same house. And she's like, where else am I going to be? And he's like, well, you have had many homes. And she's like, paid for a ball. I purchased for the ball. I purchased the ball, Eddie. He's like, okay, well, I'm not questioning ownership. Okay. Heavenly, is this Toya's forever home? And she's like, no. Then this is called forever a bitch. But no, she'll sell it in a few years and get a profit and probably move to a condo by herself somewhere.

22:44Ronnie Karam: And they're like, what? And Kwan's like, by herself? Did I say that? I'm so sorry. Did I say that? I'm really sorry.

22:52Ben Mandelker: Did I do that? I'm really sorry. I didn't mean that. I didn't mean that. I didn't mean that bitch will be living on her own. I feel like she's going to sell it and get a great profit and move it to something higher. Higher. In a tiny apartment somewhere where she'll just have to run hell alone because she's pushed you to the way. Did I say that part too? Oh my god, I'm really sorry.

23:12Ronnie Karam: Well, Ingle from Wood, California said Maybe if Toya treated Eugene with more respect He wouldn't want to spend all that time on the road

23:24Ben Mandelker: Okay, as a Toyota who lets go places As in a new house I just want to say I think that some people are projecting like the other Like the people on that side of the couch She doesn't have a clue what's going on in my room We don't yell all the time But it happens, you know And I think it happens in everyone's household So, you know, I'm Toya

23:42Ronnie Karam: Well, you said, Simone, you said Toya's skip a day of work party was actually like every day for Toya. Do you stand by that? She's like, I stand by it. Toya has a great life. She keeps Immaculate House and keeps it up well, Andy. And no one would be able to go there and say it needed pressure washing. And so we flash back to Mariah being like, pressure wash your house, bitch. I forgot about

24:16Ben Mandelker: Listen the pressure washer baby. They've got the pressure washer up there cumbersome pressure washer. All right well 3m from tape says Boya you said some women love watching you and eugenia argue while misrep while misrepresenting their own relationships so what do you mean by that she's uh well i just think that it's like very easy for certain ladies to deflect because like you haven't seen any cheating in my relationship and my husband's not telling me he doesn't trust me with my son so let's stop with the shenanigans because i think everyone on the stage should honestly stay out of my relationship stay out of it you haven't

24:57Ronnie Karam: seen cheating you've just seen my husband finding jobs further and further away so he doesn't have to ever be home so leave me alone ingle from wood and heavenly's like well but if you wouldn't put it out there we wouldn't have anything to say to you she's like well unless you want toya to start telling everybody secrets she's like oh go ahead go ahead please open the book for everyone open the book toya because there's a book that hasn't been opened on toy's relationship as well and toya's like really well let's talk about it then because i had a whole next door neighbor that told me about your husband she goes oh well really well i had someone on the campaign trail tell me about your husband and what he does in the hospital and why he was fired um excuse me stop this reunion right now and tell me the gossip on both of these things eugene cheated and did something bad in a in a in a emergency room and what else happened i need to know everything

25:54Ben Mandelker: please i do need to know i need to know because yeah because eugene has been sort of doing I don't know well I don't know if he was fired or not that's just heavenly saying shit and she does make up stuff but he has been sort of like on I don't know like when we first met him he was in an emergency room and then all of a sudden it's like no matter blue and he's just sort of going around place to place so what is going on with that so heavenly so toy's like well let's do that let's do that let's put it on the table ladies if you're gonna stay out of everyone's relationship make sure that flows all the way flew blibbity bob so toya's like yeah my part the river runs through it r.i.p robert newman redford let the river run the river wild merrill streep white river rafting that part why do people

26:49Ronnie Karam: fly when they fish i don't even understand that movie that movie was stupid now toya i do have to say you have spoken on people's marriages you spoke on my husband and she's like well i only spoke jackie after you know anything i've spoken about your marriage has been after you brought it to the table and we had a conversation about it even though this this time i had a plot line about your husband making me sit on this lap but whatever there's no way jackie is table jackie

27:17Ben Mandelker: is not going back to that can of worms okay she is how she was wanting all of us to forget it and it was Toya who just brought it up again on watch what happens live and they showed all that

27:28Ronnie Karam: like Jackie did not open that one up Toya yeah so then um we see the the clip of that where Toya saying that Curtis has put his hands on multiple of the ladies waists and uh Jackie says well I've never spoken about Eugene and your disrespect to your husband I mean Jackie came out kind of swinging in this one I was surprised because Jackie usually tries to not fight you know and And so she's like, well, I've never spoken about Eugene and your disrespect to your husband. And she goes, oh, okay, wow, okay. She goes, and you know, and Toya goes, oh, wow, at that age, that age, look at that age. And she goes, uh-huh, well, it looks good on some of us.

28:05And she goes, in menopause, Toya, you understand

28:08Ronnie Karam: you're like a block away from menopause, right? Like, come on.

28:13Ben Mandelker: Yeah, that's gonna be the next place she moves to. So, Cadessa's like, I'm in menopause. and quagga's toy don't shame of the age don't age shame don't do it it's a cumbersome time for all of us i'm about to be 50 i can talk about it all i want okay jackie no one is coming to you about curtis like i could be jackie's like okay and nobody's coming to you yeah but curtis sat my husband down and had a whole conversation because as he should have no no he should not curse is the last one that should be talking about anybody's mind i'm like what are you talking about well i I mean, I don't think Curtis is anything great, but I feel like Toya is not making a great point here.

28:53Ronnie Karam: No, and don't throw age jokes when you live in a Metamucil house, Toya. And also, yeah, Curtis should not be talking to anybody's husband, but your husband is not the elected leader of this group either. And I'm a little sick of Eugene walking around fucking lecturing everybody all the time like he's the man of the house. He's not the man of this house And he needs to sit his ass down and stop getting in women's business Is what I say as a man Sitting here spending two hours in women's business

29:23Ben Mandelker: Professionally Every day I have to say that like I've always really adored Eugene I think he's so adorable I think he's cute and everything And you know He's a doctor, it's great And their kids are so wonderful But I have been this season reflecting on the fact That whenever there is an issue amongst the men's is it's always kind of eugene in the middle of it and i'm like you know you gotta at a certain point you gotta say wait a second wait a second eugene and then we have well i mean i'm excited to talk about the steve sanders stuff that happens later in this episode because you know i have opinions on that well that's good that's required but yeah i have no

30:05Ronnie Karam: eugene and toya both kind of elect themselves as the leaders like they think they're like the head of the show and it's annoying so um andy asked toya when she watched the footage from her party her reaming eugene out what was her reaction she's like oh it was horrible i reacted and i reacted poorly and i was just so upset and they didn't even show like i locked myself in the closet and i was spiraling i don't want to spiral especially not in front of people that don't love my family and for people to keep attacking our relationship or attacking me i just need somebody to say with love hey toya you with a little far blue they did they all said that and you were screaming at your husband like a crazy person at that party you were acting nuts at that party so for you to come on and lecture anybody about their husband or their marriage is crazy

30:52Ben Mandelker: toya it's crazy it's crazy also when you say you locked yourself in your closet it doesn't first of all that doesn't have the same impact of when a normal person locks themselves in their closet because like for any of us to lock ourselves in our closet you're just like oh i went into this tiny confined space surrounded by clothing for you you went into a giant room with a cherry tree inside you just went into another luxurious space and when you said you spiral you probably just

31:15Ronnie Karam: walked around the tree 10 times i'm spiraling so although she did lock herself in there probably with anila because remember she was in the closet with anila which would make it more terrifying i

31:28Ben Mandelker: mainly if neil's mom was there was there too so quad is like well we did speak to you he's like you did quad i didn't say that when you came to my closet you did spoke to me katessa goes and i'll say this andy i think we need to take a little bit of responsibility as well because when that happened a true group of friends would have said okay party's over let's just go no no you guys are all having fun and toya was having a freak out and this is what toya does She was having a tantrum. And what real friends do is say, well, fuck her. Give me a margarita.

32:04Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I'm not leaving the open bar and the food that's being passed by strippers. I'm staying at this party. Toya can stay in her closet all she wants to. And so Mimi agrees with us. She's like, no, no, no. My question is, like, let's have a conversation, Toya. Because at that point, I did not do anything. I didn't do anything to you. She goes, you literally said, you with your husband, oh, my God, I would never. Yeah, because they would never. you were acting cray cray.

32:28Ben Mandelker: And Andy was like, but you said their marriage was cringe. It was giving cringe. Exactly. Mimi's like, no, I said it was hard to watch and it was cringey. But you could have cut it to yourself. She goes, well, I encourage marriage. But instead, you were sitting there gossiping and then you started to watch more cringe. By the way, as if Toya doesn't do this all the time, Toya, who literally her other big storyline is that she weighed in on Angel's relationship with Bernard as if we even care. And now she's upset that while you're having a full-on fight with your husband at a party, a big public party that's making it awkward for everyone, that Mimi says that it's cringe and now you're upset at that when you have no problem whatsoever commenting on everyone else, whether it's Bernard, whether it's Curtis, whether it's like the guy who works at the UPS store, like whoever it is, you're commenting all the time.

33:17Ben Mandelker: So you know what? This is just what happens. Metamucil House, back in the...

33:20Ronnie Karam: Metamucil House. I love Mimi just saying. I encourage marriage. That's so funny to me. So she's like, but instead you just stayed so you could watch more cringe. If it was so cringe, why'd you stay? And she goes, actually, I was the first one to leave Toya. She's like, uh-uh, because you were the first one that was asked to leave. That's why. And she goes, no, no. It's because you sat there and called us hating-ass bitches. And Heavenly's like, Jesus. I would never use language like that. And Mimi's like, that is the true definition of projection. Well, Mimi, I can see right now. Holly, you're misled.

33:53Ronnie Karam: You're misled.

33:56Ben Mandelker: Projection, deflection, you don't own shit and that's your defense mechanism. All right, you rhymed. We have to move on. Okay, things got a little too honest and raw over the group chat when Heavenly decided to talk to you about Eugene's penis size again.

34:14Ronnie Karam: Let me see the text again. Girl, I'm between patients, but I had to say this. My man loves me too, but his dick big, so you're loving on some little shit. Let's go.

34:23Ben Mandelker: Well, it had nothing to do with penis size It had everything to do with her taking shots Just like she did right now And Toya's like, it wasn't a shot, it was about a purse And when you went to my husband's penis Like you wanted to suck it I'm just trying to figure it out And he goes, oh boy

34:39Ronnie Karam: It was a shot, you were saying that she has fake purses Because she's poor, Toya That was a shot And so Toya's like, you need to worry about your husband's penis Because there's nothing bulging through your husband's pants and he's like okay okay and heavenly just goes my man is from barbados bitch

34:59Ben Mandelker: dr jackie you enjoy the lead in throwing this year's med gala i guess we're just gonna move on from the penis stuff which is shocking for me heavenly only likes to talk about boobs like when

35:10Ronnie Karam: it comes to all the penis talk he's like oh god we're talking about that okay let's talk about Look at Dez's boobs.

35:17Ben Mandelker: Well, to be fair, I think he would be down for the penis talk if it weren't like trying to imagine daddy's penis. It's like, oh, I don't really want to think about Damon's penis. Like, let's be honest.

35:30Ronnie Karam: I love all the talk like every time they accuse daddy of cheating. I just think daddy is exhausted. Like that man, I can tell you right now that man does not have the energy to cheat.

35:39Ben Mandelker: No, he doesn't. So, uh, you gave Jackie, you gave Toya the lead in the med gala. heavily said it was to teach her a lesson which lesson were you trying to teach toya and is she capable of learning lessons well when it comes to parties that's the girl and we thought that toya would definitely throw a good one because as we all saw her sancho pay party when she yelled at her husband and made it awkward for everyone and we all left early was nothing but a success so

36:07Ronnie Karam: you know give her a larger platform toya's great at lessons watch this toya if a train is going northward at 50 miles an hour and another train is going southwards at 50 miles an hour how fast are they going when they pass each other trains are stupid i fly i fly all the time i'm not going to take a fucking train see andy so andy is like well so toy approve it herself and they all are

36:36Ben Mandelker: actually all are very complimentary even heavenly it's just like yes it was amazing so andy goes Does that mean something to you that you're getting You're hearing this from the group That's it that's it but it doesn't erase the facts

36:47Ronnie Karam: Oh god here we go

36:49Ben Mandelker: That there was so much that I Went through to cut the gun

36:53Ronnie Karam: You went through oh my god She's like When you asked about the group chat You know I decided this beautiful beautiful Lab coat that y 'all gave me you see This group I put the group chat on it I put the group chat on it okay So here's a laser porter for you Andy

37:10Ben Mandelker: and toya has pulled pulls out this lab coat with like screenshots of the group chat which is cool in theory and i don't even know how she did that but what it meant was that she couldn't really hold it up and like you couldn't really see the group chat so it's just sort of like this floppy thing and everyone was just sort of like whoa that's pretty cool that you made this it's totally not functional for the reunion but like cool prop cool prop uh jackie's like wow i love

37:35Ronnie Karam: that lab coat. I now have group text lab coats by Jackie. Wait a minute. In fact, he's just going to steal everybody's business.

37:44Ben Mandelker: She's very creative. Not very bright, but creative. Like when you see a like when you see a child just splatter paint on a canvas and their parents say it's art and the rest of us just know. Just goop. That's all you.

38:01Ronnie Karam: So, yeah, no one's really into this because they can't read it. So Let's switch gears. Miss Quad found a handsome king. So she put all her energy into IVS. But will they stop making room for each other? Let's watch. So it's a lot of king, like Loki being an asshole. And then Andy asks if it's true that they're no longer together. And it's true. They are no longer together. And as Quad says, life happens, Andy.

38:35Ben Mandelker: which is also the name of her new sitcom. Life happens on Freeform starting this fall with Quad.

38:41Ronnie Karam: She thought he was the one. Was the breakup mutual or not? And she's like, you know, it was mutual. We weren't doing very well towards the end of last year. We tried, but we couldn't get together on some of the fundamentals. Andy. Yeah.

38:58Ben Mandelker: And he's like, well, has anyone here been in touch with King? This is a trick question because I know three people over here have been does anyone and so they're like they're basically the the couch opposite um quad has all been into toya contessa etc they all have been in touch with king and uh contessa's like well you didn't want him to be here she's i didn't say that contessa no i'm asking we're asking which is

39:24Ronnie Karam: why i said it like a statement right that's why i made a complete sentence and it's like well oh so you're talking to my ex and toya's like well you know he looked out for ashton for his birthday which was amazing and we see that um he gave him a luxury car to drive around on his birthday so of course that's all it took for toya so toya's like love him love him now toya would have a fucking fit if if she broke up with eugene and people still talk to that man oh yeah she's crazy

39:52Ben Mandelker: like what of course we love king it was a beautiful thing and everyone in atlanta was so appreciative when the 16 year old kid the kid who just turned 16 was driving in three different lanes in a Ferrari that was too hard for a person with experience to drive but yeah he had a great time you know

40:13Ronnie Karam: it was beautiful you know and y 'all went from being so lovey dovey and like you know then it was cringy to watch oh okay so now it's okay so now that's okay

40:23Ben Mandelker: you literally like just said the word Toria Toria's the biggest fucking hypocrite on this show

40:30Ronnie Karam: and I love it. She makes me laugh so hard. I just started laughing when she called it cringy and didn't even, no one said anything and it like, it didn't even register with her. I know.

40:38Ben Mandelker: The relationship was good and it was good. And then it wasn't, and it was not so good. It was over. I know nothing stays the same, but if you're willing to play the game, It's coming around again cumbersomely.

40:58Ronnie Karam: So someone said that now that Quad and King are no longer a thing, Heavenly decides to speak on it and spin the narrative that King was faking the relationship for fame. But Quad needed a storyline too. And Heavenly's like, I've never done that. I've never said that. And Quad's like, let me speak. Now, Heavenly, a storyline. I never come up with my storylines. Storylines, I'm not doing that on off-seasons trying to figure out what's next. I don't want that type of anxiety on me. What I do is I go with what is currently happening in my life.

41:32Ben Mandelker: Yes, and what is happening in my life is that I was in a relationship with King. King, a man who's so vain, he probably thinks this song is about him. Don't you, don't you, don't you. Fame. I want to live forever. I want to learn how to fly.

42:00Ronnie Karam: Fish, you want to learn how to fly, Fish? Because that movie's stupid. Hated that movie. Okay, well, listen, anybody faking IVF for TV is crazy because that's hard. And she's like, yeah, why would I go through all these IVF shots in Ghana? where no one was allowed to film me. Yeah, seriously. Seriously, why would you put yourself through that for TV?

42:23Ben Mandelker: I know Toya's still probably trying to think about the answer to that question right now as we speak. Like, well, we'll do that. It's a good question. So Heavenly's like...

42:36Ben Mandelker: The longest Jeopardy theme song of all time.

42:39Ronnie Karam: In like 16 days. Wow, we've never heard that song, Get to the Bridge. Toya, well done.

42:47Ben Mandelker: We didn't know there was a bridge. We thought it was a complete song. 30-second song.

42:53Ronnie Karam: So Heavenly says everything happened how it was supposed to. And then Andy asked Dr. Jackie if fertility struggles put strains on relations. Yes, Andy. Yes. We saw it in Jackie's own relationship. So then Simone's like, I have a question. And you're more than welcome to say none of my damn business. But if you and King could not decide on whose house to live in or when you were going to get engaged or get married, why did you all move forward with IVS? And she's like, he's a great co-parent. Even now he doesn't live in the same household with his daughter and her mom. And he's an amazing co-parent.

43:29Ronnie Karam: She wanted the kid, not the man.

43:31Ben Mandelker: Exactly. He was in it to sneak bites of her fish. Literally. I wasn't trying to be raunchy. I mean, like, literally taking bites from her takeout. Yeah. And she was in it for a baby. And at a certain point, it just didn't work out anymore. Yeah. Well, so you were thinking more along the lines that even if this doesn't work out, I have an amazing sperm donor. I'm surprised that Simone is asking this question as someone who probably has encountered this many times with her patients. Why is she sort of stumped by this? And Contessa says, well, it did seem to me as an outsider who threw an amazing birthday party for herself, that maybe he lost interest, unlike the attendees at my birthday party, and he was just in it for you, like to support you, but not so much because you want a father that wants a kid.

44:18Ben Mandelker: And like, that's what it seems like. And he wasn't as interested in that journey as you were. So did I get that right? Are you going to yell at me?

44:27Ronnie Karam: Yeah, and Andy says, you know, you didn't seem to be on the same page. And she's like, well, I can only agree. I can only go on what we both agreed upon, which was we both decided without a gun to his head or without me pushing him off a bridge without me having a car saying I'm gonna run you over without chaining him to a radiator and beating him with a wooden spoon without threatening to put a banana peel on the ground for him to fall

44:53Ben Mandelker: down on Andy without without telling him to run off that cliff and he runs and runs and then all of a sudden he realizes there's no more cliff below him and he looks at the camera and falls down at the Grand Canyon without even that happening.

45:06Ronnie Karam: Saying beep beep the entire way. Without any of that Andy.

45:13Ben Mandelker: Without even doing those things. We decided to go on this journey together. Ha beep ha beep. And I never wanted to neglect anything that had anything to do with him. And I've always put my best foot forward in a very very fast way that I'm uncatchable. and I've devoted myself to that.

45:33Ronnie Karam: So when I heard he wasn't on the same page, I said, damn, where am I missing the mark? Were you upset? Well, I said, where am I missing the mark? Does that mean you're upset? I missed Mark. I miss Mark. I knew a boy named Mark. I miss him. I miss Mark. If you're talking about Mark and Swearis,

45:54Ben Mandelker: I've got dibs on him first, so stay back, bitch.

46:00Ronnie Karam: So what's next for you? Are you going to try having a family solo? And she's like, I take it one day at a time, Andy.

46:09Ben Mandelker: Having a baby is a lot like alcoholism, Andy.

46:13Ronnie Karam: Baby steps.

46:15Ben Mandelker: I decided to take inspiration from the late Bonnie Franklin Radoa going one day at a time, one day at a time, one day at a time. Nah, nah, nah, nah.

46:27Ronnie Karam: Women have beautiful children without men all the time, so stay tuned, says someone who doesn't want to have storylines. Just to happen.

46:36Ben Mandelker: I'll fight my Schneider someday.

46:41Ronnie Karam: So now, guys, are we needing some energy? Let's bring Angel and Brandy to the stage. Angel not so much, but Brandy did a great job. I think Brandy's really warmed up into being a good. I mean, Angel's not bad either, but Brandy, I think, was particularly good.

46:57Ben Mandelker: You know, I have to say, I've really enjoyed Brandy all season long. I thought she was really funny. And she does, like, lots of, like, funny facial expressions, too. And she seems like she's just, like, she's kind of giving, like, Woman of the People vibes, Greek chorus. You know, where she's kind of like, what is going on with these crazy people that I'm on this show with? And so I've really enjoyed that from her. And Angel's fine.

47:18Ronnie Karam: She's giving Girl at Lunch with Antis. and she's just trying to explain to them like you cannot say that you cannot say that right here in a lubies and expect to get away with it because I'm going to call you out on the dandy you cannot talk like that you know yeah her eyes

47:33Ben Mandelker: she does this thing she bulges her eyes and she's also so amused when she gets into it with Contessa in a few moments I love that she doesn't get caught up in it the entire time she's almost like laughing like yeah bitch no you fail but calls him out yeah it's great energy to have I hope she can stick with it

47:50Ronnie Karam: So Selena, no, not that one Still R.I.P. From Laredo says We want to know how an RN Suddenly becomes a movie star, Brandy Or, yeah Angel? Angel, sorry And Angel's like Well, I started in the music industry young Blah, blah, blah But I do have multiple degrees Thank you very much Okay, well, Heavenly You seem surprised by Angel's dance moves Were you insinuating that there was something nefarious about her background and she's like no no no no I just think she has a beautiful body and I think she can use it in a lot of different ways she could be a doctor she could be a slut but she is on TV and that's all I'm saying I don't know what you're taking from that

48:34Ben Mandelker: Wicked Gyal aka Cynthia Erivo on Twitter said Cadessa crashed she out on Brandy because she had a plan to plan two birthday events for herself and meanwhile Brandy's man set up a birthday dinner for her hassle free Brandy is Contessa invited to your next birthday party? And Brandy goes, well, as of right now, she's invited because her and I have had a couple of words. Once I watched some of the stuff that she said that I couldn't hear at my party, me and her had to have a little talk because she knows I don't play about my husband. Oh, and why were you unimpressed, Contessa? And Contessa's like, well, I mean, nobody plays about their husband.

49:11Ben Mandelker: She's like, or talking about the fact that I had a party. I didn't have a party. I had a dinner. It wasn't a party, which I actually appreciated that clarification, even though she did just say it was a party a second ago because it was. It was just a dinner as opposed to a party. So Contessa really needed to relax about all that.

49:27Ronnie Karam: I guess. But this is a bone of contention now because Contessa is like, you did. You did. And Heavenly goes, it was a party. And Contessa is like, I didn't say anything. You did say you did say something that was wild of Contessa that night or Contessa got all upset. Like it was wild. Yeah. about a dinner and like started dissing the husband for giving her a lame dinner. Yikes.

49:51Ben Mandelker: Yeah, and like the husband just calls in to check in and so then Brandy puts him up in front of everyone and was like thank you for the dinner. Like I just thought it was like so normal and fine. It was not extra at all. And Contessa just like lost her mind. And she's like, so what happened was a big misunderstanding and I can tell you that I came in with good intentions. I have no idea why it turned into a conversation even about my husband's party and that started before I got there. And Brandy's like who was talking about you though? because I wasn't. She's like, well, it was you and Heavenly.

50:17And Heavenly's like, well, we didn't have a conversation.

50:19Ben Mandelker: And then we see the clip. It's Heavenly was talking to Brandy about it. Like, Heavenly instigated this.

50:25Ronnie Karam: Yes, exactly. And she's like, because you kept bringing up the party. And Brandy's like, we said something bad. What did we say? And Heavenly's like, we did. We did. It was Heavenly. And Toya's like, yeah, it wasn't you. It was Heavenly. Toya doesn't ever know what she's talking about. Shut up, Toya. And Contesta's like, roll the tape. So then we see, and it's just heavenly making the comments. And so Brandy's like, okay, so what bothered you? And she's like, well, look, I apologize. And she goes, well, you came pretty hard. And she's like, okay, well, just let me know when you're finished.

50:57Ben Mandelker: And then I'll talk. I came soft. And that's what I'm trying to say. Soft under your breath. Next time come loud. Then I can hear you. And then I can address it in the moment. You don't think I was loud at the party? She goes, no, because it wasn't a microphone under your breath. So next time, say it loud, and then we can address it in the moment.

51:15Ronnie Karam: And she's like, well, I was just flabbergasted. I mean, we're celebrating Brandy, but somehow or another, I got to call your husband and FaceTime and tell him thank you for some chicken wings. Like, I mean, I just didn't get that. And she goes, oh, girl, bye. Let's get back to this. Let's be clear. At your party, we spent about an hour with you complaining about your husband to me. And she's like, I never complained. She goes, you said, Brandy, I've never had a party in my whole life. I've turned almost 50, and I haven't had a party still. And she's like, yeah, I don't remember saying that. Yes, you did.

51:45Ronnie Karam: Of course, you were saying that because, you know, people were egging you on, too. And being like, did Scott do anything for this?

51:52Ben Mandelker: So, Kadesa's like, well, I've had several dinners. And your definition of party is what you had. That's what you had. Because, no, my definition of a party, I've had multiple parties. And what I had was a dinner. Kadesa's like, well, why are we competing about parties? I'm not trying to compete because, girl, bye.

52:08Ronnie Karam: Yeah, because you are the one trying to compete. So Brandy just rolls her eyes like, okay, auntie. Okay.

52:15Ben Mandelker: I apologize if I came to your party in your mind with anything but love and celebration of who you are, because that day to me should have been about Brandy and her inability to throw a good party because it was the day that God decided that this world needed a bad party planner on this earth. Okay. And our world would be incomplete unless we had a chicken wing throwing dinner party person.

52:38Ronnie Karam: so they're like okay well let's just celebrate each other then um okay well donkey from kong kills mario every single time because he's a badass says how does angel in rn not know how much

52:56Ben Mandelker: well i gotta see where you stand ronnie on the nintendo wars yes i've been playing i was playing

53:03Ronnie Karam: the Mario Kart against my niece all weekend and I kept winning because I play as Donkey Kong on a Vespa. So, thank you.

53:13Ben Mandelker: Well, I'd like to see you go up against Rosalina, the Diane Sawyer of the Mario Kart universe. Commercials. Here comes one right now.

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56:13Ronnie Karam: How does Angel and RN not know how much lidocaine will make your throat go numb? And Angel's like, I didn't read the bottle and I've done a lot of music videos.

56:25Ben Mandelker: So you're saying that you're a nurse who doesn't read the directions on medicine. Great. Love to have that. Simone, do you have something to say about medical licenses?

56:36Ronnie Karam: Oh, so Tori is like, oh, my God. She was just the moment. And she says, yeah, I didn't read it, you know, but it had everything. Oh, my God, I couldn't even breathe. So they laugh about that. And they laugh about how she's trying to get rid of her gag reflex for blowing people. And this is kind of a long time. It's kind of all she really gets to do in this. I felt bad for her because it's like, welcome, Angel. Talk about your gag reflex. Okay, thanks. We'll never talk to you again.

57:03Ben Mandelker: It was kind of like shitty. And this is what we always joke about. Like the moment that someone says like some kind of like slightly raunchy or sexy tale, like that's the thing that they decide to focus on with the reunions and honestly i don't i just don't think we as the audience care that much right that's not me being a prude but it's like it's funny in that moment but it's not something that needs to be dwelled upon it's kind of like you know the best jokes don't need to be explained and it's kind of like we're sitting and explaining the joke in this moment and it's not like i care so much about her scrub business but like why don't you ask her questions about her scrubs like why are we dwelling well i hope that that's a

57:40Ronnie Karam: thing they better ask her how do you feel about jackie ripping off your business because that was crazy so um they do ask about bernard then though i mean so um toya uh wait do they ask they do they

57:55Ben Mandelker: do they do so quad is like actually quad has asked the question because toya can i ask a question him why did you ask Bernard Leonard how was Angel in the bedroom and Tori goes well that was actually a longer conversation than was shown because I asked him a ton of questions and Quagga said but it's because I said who is she cat watching and Tori was like no I I loved what he did for a living I knew I knew and Quad's like but I thought you I thought you were cat watching and Tori was like no I asked him why they were dating why would they why they we're dating anymore so that's just like the one that was spicing off the bill shown so basically toya is saying that's why i asked because i it was like we were having a longer conversation and i just was you know you know i was sort of pushing it a little bit but also like i would have liked some questions about like isn't this totally like wasn't toya totally overstepping with all this just in general while toya was like oh my god i'm never gonna set her up with the family like isn't it a violation of girl code there were like a lot of questions to be had with this but instead we had the lidocaine and the blowjobs yeah and tory it's like oh it's just a

59:05Ronnie Karam: joke you know i'm a little intrusive okay and um so angel's like well what you want a little taste of my kitty cat is that why you want to talk about it and she's like i don't want to taste you that's another lie that heavily spits out that i eat coochie and heavily's like you were the one who said you liked women you said you liked women i didn't say that so um yeah i wish we kind of got into this Bernard stuff because this is all stupid. So now we go to Dr. Mimi. Okay? She was voted most likely to try treat her friends like patients. But when it came to struggles at home, Mimi voted herself most likely to need more affirmations from her husband.

59:45Ronnie Karam: Don't we get Mimi's story?

59:47Ben Mandelker: By the way, I love that this show, they're like angry that a licensed and accomplished psychiatrist would treat their friends like patients. But then they all go every every year to the caribbean to do fake therapy with doctors who are not listening to do this and treat them like patients that they're not trained to do but they're like well it's like no i only want to be treated like a therapist patient by someone who has no idea what they're doing i'm like what's wrong like i i get it like of course i get it like if you're friends with a therapist you don't want to be like you want you just want a friend in that moment you don't want a therapist i personally but personally i'm like hey you just got some free

1:00:24Ronnie Karam: therapy that's expensive and that's also just not true i mean even if they say that if you have a friend who's a therapist people who are therapists have friends all the time come up to them like oh my god could you give me some advice it's just like if you have a friend who's a doctor or a dentist and they're like could you look at my molar you know yeah but also like if you guys are having

1:00:42Ben Mandelker: a stupid fight and you're clearly not communicating well and there's someone who can give you the tools to help help you communicate better and like that way the the like you can have a productive conversation, like, why is that necessarily a bad thing? Maybe for reality TV, it's not such a good thing, but I just, I'm like, I understand why Mimi is like, I, it's hard for me not to jump in and to try to help because I can, because that's what all the doctors would do. They would all jump in to help. I mean, look at Dr. Jackie being so kind as to potentially diagnose Brandy with a thyroid issue in her neck.

1:01:15Ben Mandelker: Yeah.

1:01:17Ronnie Karam: I thought you were going to say, I thought you were going to say you loved that they go from talking about deep throating dicks to like let's talk about your child with

1:01:26Ben Mandelker: autism i know there's that pivot too let's not forget but you're right about the uh jackie

1:01:32Ronnie Karam: being shady to brandy at first and being like do you have an enlarged thyroid like hello we're not going to discuss this so uh mimi talks about being a mother of a child with autism and how difficult it is. And I thought that was a good story to bring to TV. And I thought they handled it really well. And then they're still talking about like therapizing your friends and stuff. And then we move on to Toya and Mimi butting heads. And Toya's like, yeah, for no reason. I don't even understand it. And Heavenly's like, Toya never owns anything, including your houses.

1:02:14Ben Mandelker: Yeah, because the whole thing was that at Heavenly's campaign event, And Mimi had told Brandy, be careful about aligning yourself with Toya because she's stupid. Basically, because she's stupid. This is not someone you should align yourself with.

1:02:31Ronnie Karam: So Mimi's like, well, Toya, at your home, I never meant to disrespect your marriage. And when you turned away and said, hey, what else should I do? How should I talk to Eugene? I said, lean into softness and assertiveness. And she goes, I didn't ask you anything. And she goes, yes, you did. Run the tape, as they say. And so I never wanted to disrespect your marriage. Okay. That's not what I do. I encourage marriage. I encourage it. When I walk into a park and I see a couple just roller skating past each other, I say, you should get married. I encourage marriage.

1:03:00Ben Mandelker: I can't even walk into a restaurant without putting two ketchup bottles together. I just need to marry these ketchups. I can't have two half bottles. I encourage the marriage wherever I see it. So Toya's like, well, I can put a couple of movies.

1:03:12Ronnie Karam: I call it marriage poppins. Great movie.

1:03:16Ben Mandelker: I encourage you. I can think of accountability. She's like, okay, but she's talking. She's like, yes, thank you, Andy. Let her talk. Yeah, thank you. Thank you, finally. Let her talk. So he was like, I'm just saying that me and Toya never started. We never had a good foundation. There was never a conversation to say, okay, this is who I am. I still don't know who Toya is. I don't know where she lives. She's had a lot of houses. And I'm not saying that I don't want to know. It's just that we don't have a foundation in order to cultivate a relationship except for a very, very cringy moment. Oh, she's so cringy, oh God.

1:03:48Ben Mandelker: See, look, she's so cringy.

1:03:51Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but you know what? The one thing she said was true is that she still doesn't know who I am, but she just sat here. Wait, no, I don't. But you're a liar. And she's like, when we tell her who she should have lied herself with, that's the crazy part. And she goes, no, but it's the behavior. And she goes, oh, well, I'm sorry. I was talking. I let you speak. Now can I speak? She's like, no, you did not. You talk over. Andy has said it over and over. You have talked over multiple times, Toya. Okay are you done now? I am not done Okay well you were done but I'm not done now Okay well now you want to chime in but you just said you were done I did not say I was You did You just interrupted me denying that I was being cut off So you're done now right?

1:04:29Ronnie Karam: No

1:04:31Ben Mandelker: It's so funny It's so funny So Mimi's like Brandy I apologize for my delivery that day And Brandy's like and I appreciate that Because it was the delivery that triggered me And she goes yes And she goes well it's nice for you to apologize And she goes, well, we've already had a conversation. So who's talking over now? Okay. It's great. All right. That was wonderful. Okay. Potato Peeler on Twitter said, I really respect Dr. Mimi for showing the hard parts of raising a child that's neurodivergent. So now we get more into this. And, you know, and Mimi's talking about how you just never get a break.

1:05:10Ben Mandelker: and my heart really kind of broke for her because i i do feel like that is a that is a that is a difficult part of her journey that she's on is that it's it's like you know like you sort of i think with a lot of parents they have the feeling of i think you i imagine a lot of parents they never truly get a break anyway but there's a sense that as the kids get older they can be more independent and self-sufficient and so knowing that this is going to be something she's going to deal with the rest of her life is that's a that's a tough one for her and we've seen that's it's like a specifically a very unique challenge that they have to deal with with little stevie so it's a i i i've found that every time that she and steve senior have talked about this i found it to be like really fascinating and really interesting and so it continued with this moment

1:05:55Ronnie Karam: here yeah so they're telling her oh my gosh you did you're doing such a great job and they you know compliment her on you know her story you know basically how she handled it on the show And Andy says You know some of you felt Mimi was guarded And then in Jamaica she opened up And I'm curious what went through your mind And Toya gives her credit You know she said I think Mimi is a strong woman And a strong mother And you know God she's right when she says God would not put anything on your plate That you can't bear And I loved your story you're a great mom You're still a bitch though

1:06:32Ben Mandelker: God will never give you Anything that you can't handle which makes me question how big is steve's dick oh god we're back yes finally a dick that i want

1:06:43Ronnie Karam: to imagine steve sanders so they agree that there's a path forward for mimi and toya and everyone's like oh my god this is so beautiful okay so now the men are coming to the reunion and we see them arriving backstage and they're joking with steve like uh-oh steve you nervous is wearing lv wearing lv steve with his lv and damon's like you know what daddy doesn't want to see you guys argue but i understand the anger and steve's like well there is some level of accountability we all need to take today and cecil's like well if steve got to the event and

1:07:20Ben Mandelker: didn't know he needed a ticket and steve was like never said they never said it to me once and cecil's like and i will say this as someone with a basement bar i'm not saying what's right or wrong, but I will say this. We have to do better at communicating what's going on. Says Cecil, who sat there silently while Simone had to deal with her spoiled children. So Steve is like, well, there wasn't a lot of inclusion. Eugene's like, well, if you're trying to include people and they're pushing back, then you just move on and you make a good event. I'm like, well, if you're trying to include people, then you don't charge them tickets on top of the table, which means that they had a ticket purchased ahead of time because we had a whole thing last week where we were actually on Eugene's side until we discovered that the norm is that if someone buys you a table and invites you to sit at a table that they bought, you don't have to buy a ticket.

1:08:08Ben Mandelker: So Eugene was 100 % in the wrong in that situation.

1:08:11Ronnie Karam: And Steve is like, well, you tried to exclude us when it comes to tickets, but it was never said that we needed to buy a ticket. Okay? And Eugene's like, well, if you didn't like the way it was ran and you were so, you know, why were you even there? Why did you even come? Because it's a charity and it's a season finale party, Eugene. Yeah, you don't get to get that.

1:08:32Ben Mandelker: Yeah, exactly. He's saying that he didn't want to throw in twenty five hundred dollars to put on the event because he didn't because he clearly didn't think it was being managed properly or didn't or felt it was rude to say, OK, you are obligated to throw in an equal share of money, even though Mimi was not given any say whatsoever in how the thing is organized. But that's different than going and saying, I'm going to I'm going to donate to the event. It's like two different concepts there.

1:08:59Ronnie Karam: Right. So he's like, well, I wasn't there to support you. I was there to support the cause. And he's like, then buy a ticket. And he goes, but I did. I did buy a ticket. And he goes, okay, well, then why are we having this argument, Steve? Because you're justifying bad behavior. And Steve's like, well, you justify bad behavior every single day with Toya. And Eugene goes, bye. Bye. Eugene is, Eugene's housewivery is like. Yeah.

1:09:24Ben Mandelker: I feel like, you know, it's not a classy thing. to i don't think what steve said was very classy i also don't think it was wrong it was not classy um probably not something you should say but i also can't ignore the fact that like i was sort of like he's kind of right about that yeah he was right and you're you're right normally they don't

1:09:48Ronnie Karam: do that's like a rule right you don't say something about the other person's wife but eugene has spent the whole season coming at daddy for stuff that heavenly said so i don't know i'm

1:09:58Ben Mandelker: gonna allow it on this one i'm gonna allow it too i was like i was like oh i feel like i shouldn't

1:10:03Ronnie Karam: allow it but i'm gonna allow it yeah i'm gonna allow it and he goes don't fucking say that about my wife and steve says when the fuck did i stutter and he goes you mentioned my wife and he goes oh so you want to cuss you're gonna have that energy then keep it and i keep cursing and i kind of

1:10:18Ben Mandelker: felt like you know there was part of me that like again i kind of wanted to have eugene's side because what i saw was like a regression to high school where the jock is like bullying the nerd you know because eugene is basically a big old nerd he's like he's a brainiac he loves his comic books he loves his video games he's just like an adorable nerd and steve is an nfl player and i was like don't beat up on our sweet eugene he's a nerd he got he got made fun of but then i was like but you know what though steve's i think kind of right in this one so eugene started it yeah so um steve

1:10:50Ronnie Karam: is like do you want to be one of the women do you do you want to be one of the women because you're acting like one and i don't care how your head or how you um move your head or smack your lips it does not change the fact that you were trying to ambush me at an event after we had a conversation yeah no i i do always hate when guys like use you're acting like a woman that's like the ultimate

1:11:13Ben Mandelker: insult is to act like a woman i'm like you should be so lucky you should be so lucky to act like a

1:11:18Ronnie Karam: woman yeah but on the housewife shows there that is a common thing where it's like you're not a

1:11:24Ben Mandelker: housewife yeah i think that's i think that there's actually so much like loaded misogyny in that i really hate when guys guys say that like that's the ultimate insult you're acting like a woman but um so i did not like that but again i'm on steve's side so eugene's like well if you feel ambushed i'm sorry you should pay for a ticket and curtis is like steve steve that dude isn't

1:11:47Ronnie Karam: going to admit anything okay i mean look i'm still on the fence about this because we've we talked already about how charities work if someone buys the table then that's it you don't have to buy a ticket but has jackie said has jackie confirmed that she did in fact buy a table of this many tickets and this is who she wants or are they thinking that that's included in the 2500 or like what is it it's still i'm still unclear and i think that even if you if you go to a charity event you didn't give the 2500 and they're like well you still need a ticket you should just say okay well i thought i it was the table but whatever here's here's the ticket money it's 300 for two yeah i think so i still think that steve should have just bought the fucking ticket

1:12:30Ben Mandelker: right and he did he he did have like a little bit of a diva moment about it but i also think he should have been like look i'm i'm like jackie got my ticket because i'm at her table like i don't know i felt like there was a there was a lot of stupidity going on and you know and also the other thing is this too is like toya and eugene have been unhelpful with this med gal in the past and suddenly they're like in control of it and i'm not totally sure they know exactly what they're doing to be fair and so when eugene's like well you've got to buy a ticket it's like well this like this is your first time at the rodeo and i'm i don't know it feels like they like he

1:13:07Ronnie Karam: doesn't really know what's going on i wish they just called jackie over and said jackie he's saying that he's a part of your table and then that would have solved it but it's just like the guys are doing the housewives job they're like fighting with each other because they're fighting a proxy war between the women and it's never going to work out well for either one of you you know yeah so now we go to heavenly heavenly went from filling cavities to campaigning to fill a congressional seat. Wow. I'm Andy Cohen and I approve this package.

1:13:40Ben Mandelker: And by package I mean whatever Steve Sanders is carrying between his legs. Alright. Well we have a lot to talk about. First I want to play a little game. I'm going to ask some rapid fire questions about Heavenly the candidate. So yay or nay, Heavenly would pass a background check. So everyone says yay because they're like, and she's like I'm a professional, so I would have to. Which is just funny because, again, to your point at the beginning of the episode, like, yes, of course she has a past background check. She is like a medical professional. But I do love like the, like, there's just something to me about going on reality TV, which I think like chips away at the professional thing a little bit for anyone.

1:14:22Ben Mandelker: You know, I'm like, why are you on this show?

1:14:24Ronnie Karam: Well, especially Heavenly. Oh, my God. All the stuff they could show, the opponent could show. Um, so Tori won't answer. And Quad's like, just say yay, girl, Jesus. And she goes, okay, all right, yay. Okay, yay or nay, I would trust Heavenly with the nuclear codes. And everyone in America said no at the same time. Like, my walls shook.

1:14:48Ben Mandelker: All right, Congress people do not have the nuclear codes, though, so don't worry about that. And Heavenly goes, well, absolutely not. Tori didn't know that, though. Bitch. And it's like, yay or nay, Heavenly needs a stylist. not necessarily a campaign question, but sure, does she need a stylist? And they're all like, yay.

1:15:06Ronnie Karam: It's like, well, Jackie takes me shopping, but you know, it's too expensive. You know, we have to bring that down, Jackie, which is why I am stooping for Talbots having sales. If you bring Heavenly into office, Talbots and Chico's will have sales.

1:15:23Ben Mandelker: Yay or nay, Heavenly's campaign has a higher chance of success than Heavenly's beauty supply. And they're like, yes. Well, I didn't even want a beauty supply store in the first place.

1:15:32Ronnie Karam: What happened to the beauty supply store? Did we know that tanked?

1:15:36Ben Mandelker: I totally forgot about that. But yeah, I guess that's done.

1:15:39Ronnie Karam: Oh, my gosh. What's Alara doing? What is she doing?

1:15:43Ben Mandelker: What is she doing, by the way? They'll be like, Alara just turned 30. I was like, how does that happen on these? I know.

1:15:49Ronnie Karam: Alara just had her first grandchild. She's like, what? How'd that happen?

1:15:57Ben Mandelker: yeah heavenly tell the truth about our life and they're like nah no i absolutely do it's like heavenly only a lot of viewers were concerned when you reveal damon jr's arrest can you give us an update so heavenly gets very choked up and says that our son had a mental health emergency and they know where he is but they haven't actively seen him and uh there's a lot she wants to say but it's his story to tell so she's not going to put it out there uh she's she would never put her family on blast it's just that it was already out there in the news and um you know she's and she basically says she called Mimi for help and that Mimi helped a lot and she's tried to do everything for her children she's put them through private schools she's tried to give back as much as she could and she says that an epidemic in the nation is mental health and that people like need like that needs to be treated and then we see daddy back like in the in the green room watching and agreeing that that's like definitely an issue and that if it weren't for the fact that he works in emergency rooms and knows people on the police or and around that you know then dame that um what's his face damon jr would have wound up getting sort of put into the system and gone

1:17:10Ronnie Karam: down a different path well what they do is they put people in mental health with mental health issues in jail rather than giving them treatment well to be fair we also put them on bravo So pat myself on the back there. Pat myself on the back.

1:17:25Ben Mandelker: And there's that too. Although the Bachelorette is giving us a good run for the money. Okay, not so happy about that.

1:17:32Ronnie Karam: I love the phrasing of this question. Libra from Isn't Just Another Word for Book says, Heavenly had to look up on the damn internet to find out about Junior's arrest. Damon should have told her ass first.

1:17:48Ben Mandelker: Well, Damon and I don't talk about everything. there are certain things I cannot handle and there are certain things that he cannot handle and that's the nature of our relationship and everybody's relationship is different so what I say to Libra is a different name for her book is your mama and just so you know I don't wake up

1:18:06Ronnie Karam: during filming and decide oh I'm gonna put my family on blast heavenly shit happens spontaneously she goes well the difference between you and I though is my husband's too good to me and she goes oh really my husband is too good to me too and i've been here longer i've been with cecil much longer than you've been with damon she goes well every situation's different yeah we got married because we chose to not because i was pregnant damn geez okay whoa whoa whoa who would vote for heavenly today are we not allowed to be are we not allowed to get married because we're pregnant now? I mean, geez, what kind of diss is that?

1:18:45Ben Mandelker: Yeah. So it's a better excuse than falling for

1:18:50Ronnie Karam: Cecil.

1:18:52Ben Mandelker: Well, didn't Simone just also kind of like, wasn't she sort of edging towards shading quad for having a baby without getting married?

1:19:01Ronnie Karam: Oh, God. I don't know.

1:19:02Ben Mandelker: So everyone so anyway, Toya's like, we have enough lies. I'm telling you. I just I can't take another one. I'm sorry. All right. Well, I'm looking forward to seeing what happens with your campaign, aka I'm excited to see you back next season. Okay, so Dr. Simone, Dr. Heavenly were in a good place when they scrub it in for 12, but weaponized husbands and accusations of unhinged behavior at the table, but for friendship altered the, create an alt, friendship altering feud. Watch. So now we're getting into Simone versus Heavenly.

1:19:38Ronnie Karam: Yes, and so she, Simone is saying, well it's not about even needing support it's about what's right is right and what's wrong is wrong and after you saw the footage jackie and after the tape was rolled for anybody sitting here to continue a narrative that just wasn't true to stand behind a false allegation means that i have to take another look at you and your morals and your character and jackie's like well i really want simone if she will today to tell me what i could have said that would have made it right because i was humping the fence if you want to know the truth and andy's like yeah that was the problem i think if you wanted to say something that she wouldn't get mad at you you should or mad at you should have said no heavenly did not push simone that's it yeah it's not like a it's

1:20:25Ben Mandelker: not like a deep puzzle right and he's like did now that you've seen it do you think that simone is a physical threat to heavenly and jackie's like no simone is not a physical threat to anybody

1:20:36Ronnie Karam: But I am Heavenly who's running for office I am

1:20:43Ben Mandelker: So why didn't you say that And I asked you backstage and you said absolutely not She was not a physical threat so then why not say that Again I was Trying to be good to Good friend to both parties But it's not the first time though that there's no wedge In your friendship and the wedge always seems to be heavenly

1:21:00Ronnie Karam: I'm not trying to be a wedge Andy I don't even like that salad Osberg lettuce is bullshit But I promise I'm not trying to be a wedge And he's like well I'm really hoping That we can resolve this And you Simone And Simone's like well I don't think there is a resolution When you're still lying on me Well I think everybody

1:21:20Ben Mandelker: Has their own truth bitch And Simone's like Well if your mind has You that delusional that you think That somebody hit or pushed you But you're on hedge But you've got to sit with a psychiatrist Mimi is here and she is sitting close to her for a reason. I never had another black woman call me unhinged, aggressive, none of that. And he's like, yeah, I think it's about the physicality is the thing. And she's like, yes, but to allege that I pushed her, which by the way, I totally agree with Simone. She did not push her. She removed Heavenly's arm, which if anything, she could spit as you were violating my space because you were touching me and I was removing myself from that situation or de-escalating that.

1:22:01Ben Mandelker: If anything, Simone is the one who really has the case of anything, which really there's nothing there that happened they were just posing for a photo but any either way haven't i love that heavily's like well you shouldn't touch anyone i'm like you were the one who had her arm draped on on simone without her permission yeah and she's like you well you

1:22:18Ronnie Karam: touched me and you shouldn't have touched me no you grabbed my arm and she's like oh my god this girl is delusional so and he's like back it up back it up okay you heard jackie say no uncertain terms did she ever believe that you were physically aggressive um before she saw the footage and after she saw the footage she goes well if she had said that when she was talking to you we wouldn't be having this discussion but now she's saying it because she has no choice and she's like well andy andy though do you remember what i said to you in the dressing room before we got on yes he just said that in the dressing room you said that it wasn't physical so why don't you bring that to the stage oh jackie she's just like just admit that i said something backstage when it didn't matter so um simone's like can you imagine at the hospital and heavenly goes well do you act

1:23:08Ben Mandelker: like this at the hospital it doesn't matter do you act like that at your dental office i do not shut up okay let's stop stop let them speak okay okay be quiet here you are running for a congressional seat that has and nothing has changed i tell the truth every single time so simone's like quad hasn't been able to clean up nothing she hasn't been able to alter nothing about you and quad's just laughing like it's true i can't fix heavenly for the campaign trail it's a

1:23:37Ronnie Karam: cumbersome job but i do believe that heavenly acts like this in the dental office a hundred percent i believe that heavenly's like well hello welcome in i'm so glad to see you have a seat right here What has it been a year? It's been a year since I've said it's supposed to be six months, but it's a year and you're here now. And that's all the show. Me your teeth. You still haven't. I told you to floss. I told her, bitch. You know, you know, she gets, you know, she gets all heavenly in the dental chair.

1:24:06Ben Mandelker: So Jackie is like, Simone, this is important to me today. This is not a show. We've been through a lot for 30 years. Okay. There were the vibrators. There were the scrubs. there were my wicked glasses and I've always felt like you were safe and I was a secret to you

1:24:23Ronnie Karam: don't forget fit is the new it

1:24:26Ben Mandelker: go ahead lemon squeezes so today I want this about you and I I don't care what they're saying right now I need to know from you that if I have let you down and betrayed you I want to fix it so you come in to me that night at angels event and you weren't the person most in the group that can get me down to earth when I am angry. Me too. I can do it. She does that for me too. And you know, that night you came to me trying to settle me down and I kept going because I knew exactly what I was doing. People come for me and I was like, I'm clocked in, baby. I stay clocked in, ready to go if you come for me.

1:25:04Ben Mandelker: And I came to who?

1:25:06Ronnie Karam: You. Instead of heavenly. You. I came to you. And she's like, yeah, but you came to me and then when we got to Florida. Okay. So meanwhile, Angel is like, um excuse me simone you were acting she's like pointing out like hello that party was a mess it was my party and it was a mess and you were acting crazy at that party yeah um but she kind

1:25:28Ben Mandelker: of gets drowned the reason why she says that is because simone is really upset because then when they went to their trip to the florida panhandle that jackie went over to simone and was like you really snapped you really snapped and simone was upset because she's like everyone was snapping okay and like you're singled me out as if I'm the only one who did it and Heavenly's like yeah but and Heavenly's like well we all snapped but she was just talking about you and this is when Angel's like yeah but by the way yes we all snapped but you were really snapping okay let's like we can't lose the fact that you were off the handle or flying off the handle

1:26:03Ronnie Karam: yeah and she's like no I stopped snapping when people I'll stop snapping when people stop coming for me and And Krod's like, wait a minute, are you talking to Jackie or what are we talking about now? So now Jackie and Toya switch spots so Jackie can sit with Simone. She walks over there and she's like, this is about me and you. I don't want to hear all of them. And she's like, yeah, but my point is in Florida, you are talking to me about the fact that I snapped off as if I was the only person who snapped. And she goes, no, I had the same conversation about snapping with Heavenly. Okay. And Heavenly's like, oh, she won't hold herself accountable.

1:26:39Ronnie Karam: you know I just couldn't take it I removed myself from the situation because she touched my arm and they fought for less than that Heavenly

1:26:48Ben Mandelker: this is such a failing argument from Heavenly. It really is

1:26:51Ronnie Karam: like it's really bad and the fact that she's still

1:26:54Ben Mandelker: like the footage is there the fact that she is still going hard about it it is actually bad like you know Simone is a doctor and it also kind of it I think it actually undermines people who have valid claims of that happening I think you know like I don't think it's right so Jackie is like she's like well I wasn't isolating you I was talking to you so when then Simone when I come to you it's typical you and I we zone out on everyone else but this time it hurts but Andy asked you a simple question he did and I answered it again based on the conversation that we'd had prior to even going to New York and the conversation we had was you saying this but the question has nothing to do about unhinged he said Simone push heavenly or is heavenly making it up and you said well I wasn't there and he said but you saw the footage and that note she's basically going through it again about why

1:27:47Ronnie Karam: she's upset with Jackie yeah and she's like you know I'm watching you as my friend you're supposed to represent me and you know what happens if I were to hit or push or anything and a real case comes out of that like I have to answer with hospital privileges I have to answer it with a malpractice suit and she's like okay you're correct and she goes so if you tell the truth to me and you tell her the truth together like are we never going to end up back together she says we are never going to end up back together you can take my word for it she's like Simone and she's like nope can't move forward don't want to can't do it dun dun dun until next episode

1:28:24Ben Mandelker: when everything will be fine until next episode when they hug and they get through to each other

1:28:29Ronnie Karam: takes a year or so she's usually not like a same reunion kind of forgiver she needs like a year to get over it.

1:28:36Ben Mandelker: I hate when they fight though.

1:28:37Ronnie Karam: I actually really hate when they fight.

1:28:38Ben Mandelker: I hate it.

1:28:39Ronnie Karam: I hate when they fight. And the thing is like I get it you know like she's trying to be friends to Heavenly but this is not the way to do it. And Heavenly's wrong all the time. I mean Heavenly is my favorite person on this cast but she's wrong 80 % of the time. And you know you have to if you're going to be friends with someone like that you have to be like no you're wrong. You have to be okay saying that. Because Heavenly I think is okay taking it. She's used to being told she's wrong. she's wrong all the time yeah i think and i don't think that jackie should have played uh switzerland in that moment i think she's just so used to doing it you know i get it because i often will will do that as well i will often in a case a situation where i'm like i just don't want to be

1:29:19Ben Mandelker: part of this i'll take to switzerland and that's probably what jackie was doing she probably was like you know what i don't want to get inserted into this mess and then in her attempt to not be in the mess she wound up directly in the in the center of it you know it seems like she is saying

1:29:34Ronnie Karam: like Simone your behavior was also crazy at that party like you guys had to be physically separated it's not like Simone was because the only clip they really show is Simone just going please take your hand off of my arm that's all they show and it doesn't really look that wild but the episode got wild and so I think Jackie's looking at that and saying yeah but your behavior that night wasn't professional so like I don't like you were acting unprofessional that night but the thing is is that the physical component is a big thing when you accuse somebody of that and they didn't do it that's a huge difference so jackie yeah jackie's just jackie's just damn wrong for that

1:30:13Ben Mandelker: i think jackie messed up i think heavenly was wrong i also think that yes like the uh the the simone is someone has every right to be mad at jackie i would not end a friendship over it because she is also focusing on what it could have should have that have not happened so yes it's like it's it's it's a dangerous accusation that being said it's everyone can see that simone did not get physical everything is okay i just wouldn't i i i think i would hold my friends be to the fire express dissatisfaction but like cutting off a 30-year friendship i think is really extreme unless this is there's more brewing between the two of them than we know I'm sure it'll all be resolved You know what time's going to do

1:31:01Ronnie Karam: It's going to tell you Time will tell So I don't know I don't have any idea But I need Jackie to be confronted about the thyroid comment What were the other things missing from this The glasses

1:31:14Ben Mandelker: The wicked glasses did kind of drive me nuts And I think that's it The PT Cruiser maybe Yeah I don't know Well next week That's that for today day next week is to be the steve sanders show he's he's had he's been lighting up the internet with the clips that they've been showing of him telling uh eugene that eugene should be called eugene harris instead of or eugene bush i should say yeah eugene bush eugene bush yeah we'll look forward to that uh in the meantime we'll see uh uh all of you at crappy hour thanks everyone for being here we love you all so much we'll talk to you on the next episode bye watch what crap would like to thank its premium sponsors.

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#3273 Married To Medicine S12E15: A Friendship on Life Support

In short

Episode Description

Chapters

Discussing Married to Medicine

Tensions and Friendships

Reunion Highlights and Setup

Reunion Dynamics and Drama

Toya's Home and Relationship Insights

Age and Menopause Discussions

Toya's Reaction to Criticism

Gossip and Relationships at Parties

Toya's Lab Coat and Group Chat

Quad and King’s Relationship Update

Allegations of Faking Relationships

Fertility and Relationships

Future Family Plans

Brandy and Angel's Dynamic

Party vs Dinner Debate

Discussion About Medical Knowledge

Exploring Personal Relationships

Dr. Mimi's Role and Challenges

Conflict Between Toya and Mimi

Men Arrive at the Reunion

Argument Over Accountability

The Eugene and Steve Conflict

Heavenly's Congressional Campaign

Heavenly's Family Concerns

Simone vs. Heavenly Feud

Confrontation Between Jackie and Simone

The Party Drama Unfolds

Accountability and Reactions

Next Week's Teasers and Wrap-Up

Ask about this episode

Transcript

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