#3280 Southern Charm S11E18 Reunion 2 Part Two: No Craig to Stand On

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2:25What happens? Who cares what happens when there's so much that happens?

2:55but I fucking hate it. Fucking hate it. Yeah. Well, I know you're no longer dating, Craig, but are you dating anyone now? And Charlie's like, I am. He's from Boston. And Sal's like, he's on Southern Hospitality. Yeah, he works at the club. And it's Justin. Justin, the new skeezball on Southern Hospitality. I mean, Charlie, come on. He's actively dating two other women. Yeah, Justin, who just said last week, Yeah, Mia, she's got a really nice pair of personality. Right. Charlie, really? Come on, Charlie. Jesus. You can do better. You can do better. And he's like, Greg, do you know Justin? Yeah, I always say hi to him when he comes in the bar.

3:47This is a funny thing to say. I do know him. I always say hi to him. I think he's sure to make. You're welcome, Justin. I think he's sure to remind everybody That he's above Justin because Justin's coming Into his bar and he's the bar owner And he's a nice guy He's a nice guy Well let's say something else Time to move on Well Austin had to tell me in Vegas by the way Because Charlie and I were still like hanging out And then finally Austin sat me down in Vegas And he was like dude whatever she's telling you That's like not talking That she's not talking to someone Like I met him and he was like he's real She brought him to the barn and said, I'm in love.

4:23And she was like, I never said I wasn't talking to anyone else. What are you talking about? And she's like, I gave you a lot of chances to tell me the star of the show that you were talking to someone else. They never did. And then Sally was like, Craig, you need to know this. She's talking to other two other guys. And then I asked you and you just took me by the hand. You said, I'm not talking to anyone else. I mean, you just said that it was Austin who told you. And now you're saying it was Sally who told you. Come on. You can't even keep your life straight, Craig. What the hell? And when he says Austin had to tell me in Vegas, does that mean BravoCon?

4:53That means BravoCon. Yeah, BravoCon. Austin had to tell me in Vegas because Charlie and I were still hanging out. But Charlie dumped you at the end of the season. So we saw Charlie dump you. So doesn't she have the right to date? I think this is complete fabrication of what he's doing here. I do too. I think he's trying to do the typical thing that he always does when he breaks up with someone. He's like, well, she's a slut. And she was cheating on me the whole time. Yeah. it's classic 100 so charlie's like i never said i wasn't talking to anyone oh yeah so you did that part so charlie's like yeah none of that happened and craig goes they have it on camera okay where we didn't see any of that we didn't see anything that you just said on camera and she goes well i swear that did not happen and he goes why would it matter because weren't you broken up no we were not she goes we were never dating we were not together we went on two dates on camera but we would always go out like i was strung on i feel like i was a little like i can't i can't believe i know what this means now because it's just like and it's like do you feel gaslit yeah i was love bombed oh my god this fucking guy he doesn't even know what love bomb means okay but i have to keep going back because i just feel like craig is lying lying lying we were never dating we were not together we went on two dates she says and he says on camera but we would always go out and i was strong on so are you talking about when you were going out as a group are you counting that as a date because you're acting like sally's crazy for counting that as anything other than friendship you know what i mean what is he talking about i don't believe one thing he says and you were not love bombed we saw the show she literally told you multiple times like well i mean i think i like you too i mean it's not love bombing craig yeah expressing interest in someone is not love bombing and he is the ultimate love bomber he is the one who is is gonna be like we could like get like chickens somewhere and then like you can come over and like we can like have barbecue like he he is the one who's always sort of painting these pictures and he's like this sweet guy but i do think like a trait of narcissists is that they often turn the tables on their victim and paint them out to be the one who's what you do just kidding it's a threat of a narcissist i was like how are you love bombing me

7:09i'd love to be blood bombed sorry sorry go ahead of a narcissist no no but like that's like i think from what i am from what i have read and from what i have learned about narcissism and of course i am not a licensed therapist i'm not a licensed anything barely just a licensed driver uh that like narcissists will often turn the tables and switch the narrative up on the person that they are victimizing and make us turn themselves into the victim so the fact that craig is like she was love bombing me like you were the one who's coming on to charlie you were the one who's pursuing charlie she was the one who was trying to be like maybe let's not be so big about this and you're like we just need to be free so that way we can finally have our relationship and even later on this episode it's kind of you're like you you said you you're the one who literally told charlie that like she made you feel better than even page made you feel or something along those lines didn't he just have some grandiose statement about charlie yeah he said yeah i liked you even more than my ex right then that's a love bomb right there that's a love bomb yeah and he was making it sound like they had this torrid affair and she was cheating on him when the fact is you guys dated casually and then she saw how you acted towards women and dumped you it's not really that deep But yeah, that's what's on camera But instead he's like, oh no, you were FaceTiming me From your friend's weddings And it started to be the talk of the town Like, who takes me via FaceTime to a friend's wedding?

8:39That's like serious And they're like, talk of the town I like when he said that Talk of the town Did you hear about Gatsby? Did you hear about Gatsby? He's throwing a party Christine Baranski's like Oh, they're the talk of the town We shall stop them in their tracks They will never get into our upper echelons did you hear that this season has been dominated by craig and charlie it's like what we're the talk of the town we facetimed and then i was like that's what love bombing is charlie goes there was no charlie just goes no yeah like there was some future planning from you charlie did you love bomb craig she goes um i i do not feel like i love bombed craig and he had to have been stifling a laugh like a chuckle when he was saying that like sometimes andy asks these questions and even know he is just laughing so hard on the inside because he knows that charlie did not love bomb craig and she's sitting there like rattled like this is not a love bomber this girl so so you made it oh yeah i didn't do that i love the look on her face she's just like what is even happening right now and craig's like you made it seem to me like we're gonna make it out of filming she dumped you on the finale what are you talking about and he's like craig craig and sally not been involved in the picture do you think things would have worked out yeah oh so now it's sally's fault so now it's not the fact that she's a love bombing slut who was cheating on you the whole time now it's just all sally's fault also you're allowed to lie you're allowed to aspire for like the future without it being love bombing you know like that's okay it's not a love bomb situation.

10:22She liked you until she saw the real you, and then she didn't anymore. Get the fuck over it, bro. It wasn't a love bomb. It was like... Dummy. A love... I don't even know if there was a bomb. There's not even an analogy. There's not even a smaller version of it. There's not even like a love... Like a love static... Like a static shock. It was nothing. Sorry. A love sneeze. There it was. There it was. She loves me. She loves me. Mom, the cat on your shirt. The cat's like, damn it. So Sally's like, look, that's crazy. Look, Charlie's even shaking her head. Charlie's like, I don't, look, I told you in Mexico, like, I felt completely different after that.

11:03But at the end of the season, you said I can't do this anymore, right? And she goes, yes. And Craig's like, yeah, but like after the freak out and everything. Yes, the freak out was like a very valid reason, Craig. He's like, whatever. Mexico happened but what I'm saying is Up until Mexico it doesn't matter what Happened up until Mexico you yelled To people in Mexico and acted like a drunk Coked out fucking asshole and then she Dumped you what are you not getting it's not Because she's a dumb slut Craig and it's not Because she was love bombing you it's because she saw You yeah She goes Craig and I had every intention Of continuing to hang out with you afterwards And then in Mexico I decided I didn't want To do that anymore and that's Fine no clearly it's not Fine Craig Are you okay?

11:46I'm fine, I'm fine Are you sure? Yeah, I'm not trying to upset you It's upsetting me and I feel like You were trying to tell me how I was feeling The entire time and you're like trying to say To everyone like no she was telling me this And she was telling me this and then I have to go Tell my mother no I was being decent Trust me I was being very decent Because he's gaslighting And he's manipulating He's like what? All I've ever done is say How I felt in the relationship no that's not what you did you didn't say how you felt you said that she was cheating on you and love bombing you that's not your feelings you literally ronnie don't weaponize my vulnerability you guys weaponize my vulnerability oh fuck off you love bomb my vulnerability so now uh they go they have a break and now charlie is just like like she's fully like in her rattled face like Like Charlie is one of the best rattled faces we have on Bravo.

12:43Like she is crying, but people are doing her makeup too. So she's like, I meant to get a screenshot of it because it was so brilliant. But Charlie's like, it's just like awful. Like, Hey, I'm sorry. I'm just like, it's, it's fine. I'm just fine. No, you're doing so good. I'm just like really overwhelmed right now. You know, it's like, it's a hard day. It's your first one. It's hard. Just like Austin's penis is hard. Ooh, yeah. Down the hallway. I have to show you this because every time I see Charlie I play Sackboy with my nieces and whenever Charlie makes this face I crack up laughing because it is when Sackboy gets defeated so I'm just going to put this on the screen sorry for people who are just listening but this is important this is Sackboy's defeated face Cher Cher, it's Cher musician isn't that Charlie's face?

13:33which one? no it is the one on the left for sure that she definitely becomes that it makes me laugh every time i play sack boy now i'm like craig it's time for a commercial it's time for a crappin's commercial did you know fast growing trees is america's largest and most trusted online nursery with thousands of trees and plants and over two million happy customers they have all the plans your yard or home needs including fruit trees privacy trees flowering trees, shrubs, and houseplants, all grown with care and guaranteed to arrive healthy. It's like your local nursery, but anywhere you live with more plants than you'll find anywhere else.

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16:39So, yeah, she's crying. And they're like, guys, we have to go shoot. And they're like, no, we can't shoot because Charlie's still crying. And she's like, I'm just hating him telling me over and over again, it wasn't Mexico, it wasn't Mexico. Like, okay, it was one foot, one foot out. Wasn't in Mexico, and I don't like you anymore. Like, just, I don't, I saw Mexico and I did not like you anymore. Just understand that. Jeez. I saw Mexico and I realized I needed to raise my standards for what I want out of a man. So that's why I'm dating Justin from Southern Hospitality. Exactly. I realized I wanted a real gentleman.

17:11So I went to Justin. So then on the stage, Craig is like, that's bullshit. Like I was perfect up until then. And Madison's like, maybe not perfect. Maybe that's a little bar. Okay. Well, but like not enough that you're going to take some mishap and like say it's over. like you were looking for a way out well no no it wasn't a mishap you she saw a glimpse into the future a mishap is like you had like uh you came you had like a drink with friends after after after work and you said you'd come right back i guess that would be like a mishap but like a cobblestone yeah cobblestone who the gilded age has many victims it won't leave us the gilded age also it wasn't the first time it would the party when you went off on austin for like a little jab that he had made and started screaming and yelling and acting like a crazy person then there was the dinner where you did the same thing then there was when else did he do it he did it multiple times and she talked to him after those yeah and she talked to them after those times like after the austin one she was like oh you know maybe gonna handle that differently i mean she had to talk to you after multiple times of you doing this, Craig.

18:24That was just the last straw, sir. Yeah. I think that, um, I think that the, this phrase of I was perfect until then, this is now he's the second time he said it, I was perfect. I was doing so well. I was being perfect to me. Like maybe that what he's trying to say is like, they're like, I was a great boyfriend. I was a great boyfriend. I had one mess up, but I was a great boyfriend. Maybe that's what he's saying. But to me, it's really coming off as like, Hey, I was able to maintain this facade really well and now i've messed up you know and like it's just rubbing me the wrong way so then sally he's making it sound like they have this long-term thing going on that they kept dating after vegas uh which was robo con and she's saying no okay sally says you're up against craig conover he's very good at manipulating and gaslighting which you know is why i try and comfort him the whole the whole episode and charlie's like well i mean seriously like before mexico we would talk like every day and then after mexico we talked one time and that was the finale party that we all saw so why is he making it sound like they have this long time so crazy because he wants to make himself look like the sweet guy who got you know victimized by some callous fame starved woman so they all return to the set and craig's like it's just like a little unfair for you to say in mexico but it was okay okay okay come on guys come on we have go come on cut that and he's like all right we're back with the southern charm reunion charlie some lessons first season for you what have you learned um yeah i mean i definitely had to work on my communication style like this season and my friendships um so yeah uh yeah it's like okay cool well that's a nice broad answer tensions threatened to rip this group apart shep had the idea to bring everyone on a restorative journey but when explosive chaos ensued the group probably needed a healing drip from their healing drip so he asked Shep about Austin and Craig's friendship at the time it seemed a little optimistic that you were trying to make this work why did you think it would be successful and he's like easy because the best times we've been trapped the best times we've ever had are when we're traveling no one really cares how much coke we do that usually brings us all together Andy but it's some of our biggest fights also i'm like yeah that you're part of sir so and so chap is like so what that's true but it's all part of it yeah well you know what so like what are you talking about well austin you and greg seem to be having fun at the start of the mexico trip how do you go from hating each other as enemies to being buddies and was there ever any sexual gratification that there may be some footage of that i can see because i'm fucked in the head heavy that's basically okay Hey, you know, we're going on the group death.

21:12It's like the pain of death going on the group trip. You know, I'm just trying to have fun. I'm going to do my thing. I'll worry about, you know, like anything else. I just want to have fun. That's like really all I want to do. I just want to have some fucking fun, Andy. So you were forced to hang out with me. And then Wittner's like, oh, see this flip-flopping? I mean, in this moment alone, they've gone from being at each other's throats to back in good graces. I mean, what the hell, guys? I mean, wasn't that a great observation by me? Well, it's what keeps us on the edge of our seats, though, Wintner.

21:44So, and by the way, I would be more than open to having you on the edge of my seat right now. Okay, Vanita, at the dinner, you brought up their relationship. And Rodrigo's like, no, she didn't. She basically said, girlfriend, Austin needs to stand up for himself. And obviously, you know, Sashay, you stay. Shante, you don't stay. So Craig took that implication like that. And he was like, no, no, Rodrigo, I'm going to stop you. I was being messy. Yeah, I was bad. She's like, I knew what I was doing. Yeah. I appreciate the defense. No, I was being messy. And Wittner's like, yeah, and Craig didn't just spout off entirely unprovoked.

22:23I mean, I looked at him and I said, we know that's about you. Well, Craig, walk us through what got you so upset. And he's like, I'm just sick of being meddled with. And wait for it. It's my code word that you read in every comment standing up for me. I was poked and I was prodded thanks Jack thanks for all those postings you've made Jack Austin and I it seemed like meddling of being like well you have to stand up to Craig and I was like I'm just so sick of everyone getting involved in my business Sally did you think that Craig overreacted I too I think there were things he was making good points on but he was delivering it completely wrong Benita's like yeah what you were saying was like really hurtful Well, Austin, do you think Craig's problem is only his delivery or also the things that he says?

23:11Because I'm hearing a lot about delivery, okay? But sometimes it's not UPS. It's what you ordered from Amazon. Am I right, guys? I'm a dad. And Austin's like, well, all the things he says. And then, you know, Craig knows. And Shep's bragged about it, too. Like, sorry to give you a stray, Shep. But, you know, Shep brags about knowing the thing that'll cut you the deepest. And he's like, you know, piss me off enough and I'll say the thing that'll cut you the deepest. You know, well, Craig has that, too. Mostly because Shep tells him. well venita well well i really have no ill will towards you and i thank you for all the words you said but in the moment what i was being told from sally like venita said this and venita said we can't hang out and that message and i was getting relieved was like was that venita talks about you a lot and so like at dinner like after not saying anything all year like you're right i guess like no i mean like i i guess i could have come to you and said like why are you meddling this is like sally's fault can you believe it she those chick she killed the chickens she's a chicken killer just want everyone to know venita's like wow is this some accountability coming from you and he goes yeah well look i shouldn't have waited but i guess i avoided it okay wow craig whoa okay now let's talk about what happened in the van he's like oh okay it was terrible i wasn't of right mind yeah but also like well what was going through my head was like damn i'm kind of seeing what people warned me a little bit about you, huh?

24:34It was hot. And Craig's like, yeah. I was like, he's mean, but he'd be a good daddy. No, I mean, it just sucks to mess up, you know, because I hadn't done that for like two years, you know? Okay, but like, don't disregard me like that because you still need to take accountability for your anger. And Rodrigo's like, I mean, talk about a tornado, girlfriend. that was a fucking tornado. Yeah, it was like a psychotic break. It was a break tornado. I was like, if Craig was the tornado, Austin was definitely the rain coming down. That's for sure.

25:15Just like someone else. Okay, whatever. Austin, you were silent in the band. Why? He's like, I was in the back. I had like a hat pulled down. And I was like, you know what? I don't want to fucking deal with this until it got to the point where Rob was like, please fucking help me, man. You hear me in the background. I'm snoring, mostly snoring. You heard me, right? Hey, just so you know, Craig, if you have a real friend, they would have calmed you down versus let you continue to explode. Oh, please, Madison, stop standing up for shitty men, especially when the one in question or one of the ones in question is one that you dumped for being a shitty man.

25:51Yeah, yeah. Give me a break. You're right. A real friend also wouldn't be just screaming at people in the first place. A real friend wouldn't be standing there telling someone who's obviously wrong that they're right over and over again and then saying things like, if you had a real friend, just to watch them fight more and ruin their friendship further. Madison. Sneak. No. I just think that if I see a friend in that kind of situation where clearly he was like out of his mind, I wouldn't have just like sat there and let him continue to do that. I would have just tried to calm him down. I'm like, the point is that everyone was scared of him.

26:25And they were just like, they knew that there was no getting through to him and they'd been down this path before. her and you shouldn't have to calm him down he's not the victim he's victim he's currently victimizing someone else i mean if anything she should be like yeah why wasn't it if sally had any real friends that would have been standing up for her instead of just watching her get fucking yelled at and called the loser over and over again in a tight space by a man standing over her and pointing his finger in her face and spitting all his fucking coke spit all over her yeah you don't get it because you weren't there all right all right all right ship what's your take about this you weren't in the van but you heard about it gosh well i know how painful it can be knowing that you're not quite sure what happened but you know it was bad and it's just such a helpless feeling it's just such a lonely feeling it must have been the same feeling that one felt in the rice patties of vietnam gosh gosh i just watched that documentary again it feels so good the vietnam war by ken burns watch it everyone pretend i just said that but i'm in sepia tone.

27:26And Craig's like, well, that's not a fun place for anyone. I know, but it's warranted and you earned it. But it's this inner turmoil and you just can't get rid of it. And it takes time to get rid of it. I've been there before, but now look, I'm Shep, the good person of the season. Yeah, I didn't drink that much in fucking years. And I mean, I was just in a place that like no one should be in. Craig, you were drinking all season. you were like that all last year and this year what do you even last year when everyone's like he was sober he was not sober he was like i'm just drinking like wine and beer now instead of cocaine and tequila i was just like kind of emotionally spent and drank like entirely way too much and it triggered like a legit meltdown and obviously if it wouldn't if i if i wouldn't have drunk drinking or anything it wouldn't have happened and it sucks and like that's on me and It's like very embarrassing.

28:19Although Sally is the one who did make me drink. But then like, yeah, like I wouldn't like, but like would I ever be drinking for like 16 hours straight without food and water? And it's like, Craig, you make it sound like you're deprived of natural resources. And Andy's like, before Bethany Franklin writes a certainly worded letter towards me, I want to say we did provide lots of food and beverage for you. And here's some footage. And they like show footage of like tons of food all day long that they were eating. Yes, and I'm glad that he picked that up and you picked that up because that's exactly what Craig was trying to do.

28:52Like, what other situation would I be in where they're plying me with drinks for 16 hours a day and not letting me eat or drink? Like, he knows what he's doing. And Andy's like, no, no, sorry. We got you. So he's like, well, you know, I don't want it to seem like you were all put in a cage with tequila and not allowed to eat or drink, okay? You're not Leah. And Craig's like, well, I don't mean that. Well, that's what you made it sound like, Craig, okay? reality reckoning is on pause okay so he's like well all of us were having the same thing you know how to freak out like that come on andy i think it's more of an anger issue than an alcohol issue girlfriend i just think you need to be better at controlling your anger yeah i actually like this i like this from rodrigo because rodrigo honestly doesn't have that much but um i like this call out of Craig because Craig is still trying to turn it but it's the alcohol Andy you know it's just I'm constantly working on my addiction it's like no you're an asshole you're just an asshole admit to being an asshole well but also like Craig is kind of doing the inverse of the argument we're seeing more of which is like I'm not an alcoholic I just have issues on the inside I have to deal with which is like what Karen Huger said but Craig's like no I don't have anger issues it's the alcohol that's the problem like no one wants to address what the real issue is here yeah um and sally was sally saying like yeah like that was a terrible night uh but there have been other nights where you did this and like i don't think that's this like you're drinking i think it is your anger and so andy's like well craig your apology to sally was that enough to repair your friendship it's because i don't know if we're completely repairing our friendship Sally you look nice today okay we're back baby we're back I'm pregnant I'm pregnant I just got pregnant and uh she's like you know I don't think you really came out of your way to apologize to me and Charlie's like yeah like I thought he would like address the group just because it was like kind of the elephant in the room and like then I thought like him you know and I would have a separate conversation because like I was in the van too like where's my apology for him yelling of Sally, you know?

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34:13What do you think, Andy? It's not coded. It's pretty on the nose. It's not an earth code. So many fucking times. And like, I know that correct man like sits here and cops to it. And he's like, I know I should have done that. And I shouldn't have done that. But sometimes it's just like, how many more times does that happen? Like, you know, he yelled at me at my birthday dinner. He yelled at Vanita at the dinner and then totally told him you had a meltdown. And one day it's like, holy shit. Like, just like a lot. You recognize it. short he's like well there's like nothing i can do but to continue to work on myself you're not working on yourself trademark i'm just a work in progress thing but your therapist is chat gpt you're not working on yourself you're entering in prompts and you're probably entering in prompts that are going to make you look good to chat gpt and chat gpt is like that was a great story you told and it wasn't your fault that you yelled at everyone on a van you were being love bombed and it's a natural response to to scream at people when that stuff happens you're doing great craig wow oh yeah we see when we get to the alcohol discussion in a minute how how great that siri uh therapy is going so whitner's like well the problem is it feels more than lip service it feels more like lip service because you say apologies and he goes you know what you don't even know how much work i've done on myself and he goes yeah we don't know because we're not in the room with you when you're at the therapist he goes okay but like when you say it's lip service It's like, I'm sorry it feels that way, but there's no way for me to prove it to you.

35:40Craig, you prove the work you've done on yourself by not being a fucking asshole. That's how you prove it. No one has to be in the therapy room. So Madison's like, well, I just think we need to accept him for who he is, neither like it or not. Madison, when have you ever done that? When have you ever had a problem with someone that you were just like, well, I'm going to accept it. You don't. You go on a fucking warpath and you ruin their ass. She just loves that Craig gives Austin the business. that's like her favorite thing to watch so yeah austin's like except what that our friend is an asshole god this fucking show man you know like maybe this isn't right for me like maybe i just shouldn't be here sounds like you guys need someone else to get love bombed on tv oh no craig don't quit like what is everybody's supposed to start crying they're just like okay bye and so yeah and he's like i mean maybe i would love to figure out a way to be able to enjoy this again and not feel like i'm always like everyone's against me like even if it's in my own head like no matter what your feelings are you got to have healthy ways to process them and i didn't realize that like i just bottle it up and then you know like when you get so out of control there's no more bottling and it comes out in a horrible way it's like austin's beer it's no longer bottling.

37:00And it comes out in a horrible way as in it winds up down people's throats. It's disgusting. So Molly's like, well, I'm actually still here. And I used to have anger management issues. And anger is almost always a secondary emotion stemming from, you know, hurt or fear or whatever. So yeah, it just like rules you. Wow. Yeah. Well, that night in the van, i was already feeling rejected like charlie said she was one foot in one foot out and i think like that had already triggered a losing control response wait can we pause here i'm sorry to interrupt but when why was he feeling rejected none of the stuff with charlie had happened no it's a lie he's just using the information he just got he is an ai bot he is using the new information he just found on the web aka at this reunion and now he's hallucinating because he is that didn't happen no it did not happen at all so is Charlie's fault it's Charlie's fault I must have on some level been feeling rejected because I was feeling like rejected by her and like I think that like triggered a losing control response because I had just been very sure about something for three years and then it was gone so this is now you can blame Paige for this as well it's all the women's fault something that you were very sure of even though there's like three years of footage of you saying things like, I can't wait till we get married someday.

38:21And Paige going, gross. I feel like I was losing my grasp on like Charlie and I was blaming, you know, the situation and the environment. And I freaked out. Okay, well, where do you go from here? Well, I mean, just redirect, you know, and talks with my therapist. You know, I know it takes a lot of natural resources, but I never understood that it could be like an anger issue, you know? I always thought it was like losing control. and Andy goes, you've never talked to your therapist about any of this? And he's like, well, you know, the last time I was with her, I said, what's that song by Stevie Nicks about windmills?

39:03You mean landslide, baby? It's not windmills. No, about the thunder and the raining. How come it only thunders when it rains? hey so like um you know i just focused on like if i didn't drink then it wouldn't be an issue but then i could have maybe it was just like you're depressing other stuff but like then you can't present prevent stress from happening and you can't prevent environments from changing on you and i need to have the tools to deal with it like alcohol so i didn't get to apologize to everyone obviously i'm sorry you know and i'll just try my hardest to make sure that it never happens again you just like blamed in this answer you blame two women yeah this is such a bad apology but also like he clearly does not go to therapy there's just no way that he's been going to therapy through all of this and anger has not been brought up like that just you can't tell these stories you can't tell the stories of your life or he can't tell the stories of his life and the therapist never touches on anger like and to literally say i've never correlated the drinking with anger issues What?

40:13No therapist has ever mentioned that to you? Like, Craig, you may not have correlated it, but a therapist, it's as blatant. I mean, like all the stories of Craig or how he blows up, you have people telling you, you scream, we're scared of you, we're scared of you. And you never think once to yourself, oh, I may have anger issues. Oh, there's something is going on that's deeper. Like for sure, within like one or two sessions, a therapist would have isolated that. So he's clearly just going to his chat GPT or going to like a life coach or something or like a jack like i don't know jack he's going to jack i mean we saw him go to a therapist one time on this show do you remember and he was like yeah well like i'm a really good liar like i can lie about anything and people always believe me he's bragging to the therapist and the therapist face was like this she's like what the fuck she was horrified like i've never seen a therapist has actually looked horrified on TV before.

41:06That was crazy. Yeah. Well, all right. This season, we saw challenges to both old and new friendships that tested the very fat look of your relationships. So before we go, I want to give you one last opportunity to clear the air, Madison. You're living the dream. New house, new baby. What's next for you? Another baby. Okay, great. And hot girl summer. Okay. We really don't have to keep saying hot girl summer on Bravo. Okay. We can pretty much, we can end that now, right? no anyone rodrigo what about you yeah they're asking rodrigo maybe he'll tie the knot next season nobody cares um molly you you sing now and she's like yeah maybe i'm gonna song right now like you know no one really sings to the tuba and then um andy asked sally and about vanita and charlie like what has she learned about female friendships and she's like well you know they're will last forever you know hard-ons go down but girlfriends are always there to steal your hard-on yes and if there's anything that bravo has proven to us time and time again is that the most resilient thing are female friendships um so anything you want to say to craig and uh charlie and charlie's like no like at the end of the day like you get nothing for nothing and that's all you can save her the life for the poor.

42:26Like, I do see Craig as a friend. I just, I feel like we had a good friendship, you know, before when we were all hanging out, and I just, like, I don't know, like, I wish him the best. Like, yeah, that's it. Vanita, it seems like you and Craig have made some headway tonight. Yeah, I mean, a little in a good way, though. I mean, I'm not gonna lie and be like, yeah, we're at 100, but I'm positive for things and a better outcome and hopefully getting invited to the hot tub. I'm ready when Vanita is. Just kidding. She's never allowed in. Okay, Hey, Austin, do you think that you and Craig made any progress today?

42:58I think there's been some peace in my life from us, but, you know, we kind of operate, like, in a group chat and, like, things like that. But, like, you know, we have buffers, you know, and it's been, like, a bit more peaceful that way. And I just think that, like, maybe it'll remain that way for a little bit of time. So, you know, I don't know when, like, but, like, for now, I'm just, like, a cat dad. I'm going to take care of Piper and Martini. Yeah. Yeah. So they're both, like, fuck that guy. His answer was basically, like, nope, still hate him. All right, Craig. next steps with Austin well uh like we need space so uh maybe we can relearn each other oh he's not going to therapy but he is like getting tiktok therapy because he's learned a lot of therapy speak you know yeah we just need to relearn each other I was triggered yeah we need to date again it's like okay Winder what do you think he's like well you know Craig Craig is who Craig is and like tigers are not changing their stripes.

43:53Someone says something about stripes. Carl, get out of here. Yeah. And we like that. Almost had a bummer. It was close. Damn lines. Damn. So, yeah, we had that tiger. You know, we like that the tiger is working on changing his stripes. And, you know, it's just whether or not those people fit in each other's lives, you know? All right, Shep. Will you ever give up on Austin and Craig's friendship? And do we think that you're going to have a terribly toxic season next season? Because you kind of are up. He's like, gosh, no. Oh, look at me. I'm a nice guy. I'm in the middle of the sofa. Wow. Oh, I could be the bridge and sort of advocate for each other for the other one, right?

44:29Okay, I'm going to give the toast for the evening because that's my thing. I knew a girl. She had a tuba. Everybody's lame, so I go to Cuba. Wow. I'm basically Cuban. Cheers, everybody. Gosh. Whitney just pops up. Molly, are you going to eat all that cupcake that Andy just gave you?

44:52and that brings us to the end of the southern charm season everybody so when does the valley start is it next week next wednesday yeah no my god yeah april turnover yep very exciting thanks everyone for being here and we will catch you on the next episode of watch what crappens which most likely will be southern hospitality bye everyone. Bye.

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