#3282 RHOBH S15E15 Part One: All Dope Abandon

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1:54Ben Mandelker: Who cares what happens when there's so much that crappens? Who cares what happens when there's so much that crappens? Who cares what happens when there's so much that crappens?

2:07Ronnie Karam: Well, hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens. I'm Ronnie. That's Ben.

2:13Ben Mandelker: Hello, Ben. Good morning, Ronnie Karam. How are you? Good.

2:21Ronnie Karam: Everybody, welcome to the show today. It's Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Day. If you want this recap on Vidya, it's a video. For those of you who don't speak, tweet. Go listen to it over at patreon.com slash watch what crap happens. Or watch it, rather. But it has audio as well. And that's also where you get ad-free listening, bonus episodes, our newsletter, which is free. It's like a blog. Just read it. It's fun. And Discord server. All that stuff is over there. So go to Patreon. And thanks for being here. Ben, what's going on with you today?

2:54Ben Mandelker: I'm riding the high of having just indulged in a ham and cheese croissant at the local bakery. I decided to treat myself for a Friday, and I'm literally so happy right now. I'm just like, that was just the perfect way to start the weekend. That's where I'm at. I'm in croissantville. But more globally, I am actually very happy. I really enjoyed the TV on Bravo last night. I enjoyed this episode of Beverly Hills very much. Of course, Ladies of London is fantastic. We'll talk about that later. But I'm a happy little clam. How about you?

3:32Ronnie Karam: Good. Yeah, I'm happy too. I'm not carb-fueled, which sucks. But, you know, I'm still happy. Why not? Why not be happy? My mom's Canasta group took me out to happy hour, so that was really fun. I got to chill with all that. Say no more. I got to catch up on all the lady gossip, which I've surely been missing. It's, you know, it's amazing. People have been sending me a video of this kid on TikTok. It's a whole group of women sitting around on a couch listening to something on a phone. And they're like, oh, my God, it's like some gossipy thing. And then it pans around the couch. And then there's like a chubby little kid eating ice cream, a little boy just listening to all of it intently.

4:09Ronnie Karam: And they're like, is this you? Yes, it is. And it's still me at 50 years old, just hanging out with my mom and her friends. It's like, ooh, girl, tell me about so-and-so. Did she really kill her husband? What do you all think?

4:24Ben Mandelker: That's a fun time. Well, I love that you had a happy hour with the Canasta. The Canasta ladies, I went out board gaming last night. So, yeah, you know, it's just, you know, as the weekend approaches, just lean into the fun times, right? So, my cup is very filled.

4:41Ronnie Karam: See some ladies. So, yeah, everything's good over here.

4:45Ben Mandelker: Actually, my cup really is very filled because Bravo was good last night. And it's also, again, Ladies of London is just like, it's so tremendous. It's actually out of control how good Ladies of London is. But the perk of Beverly Hills being good last night too. Got to play board games. I also, and I got my croissant. And I also published a new newsletter, new NBD Fancy. So it's all about salmon. Oh, nice. the sexiest subject of all salmon. But I just, I did a thing where I listed my favorite salmon recipes because basically I made a set. I made salmon last week and I used a new recipe and it was so, so, so, so, so, so, so good that I was like, I've got to give more love to salmon.

5:30Ronnie Karam: The miso honey glaze. It was the Harissa Harissa Harissa honey glaze from Kalou Henry.

5:36Ben Mandelker: I love me some Kalou Henry. Her, she has a new cookbook better at home. Y 'all should get it. It's so far so good. But, um, I was like, I got to write about salmon. And so, you know, because like sometimes, and the tie into Beverly Hills is that like a lot of times when I think about salmon, I think of this one video I saw and I have not been able to find it again, but Lisa Vanderpump once did like a, like, look at me cooking at home with Pandora video where Lisa and Pandora both made like very sad pieces of salmon together, which was like, it was like very perfectly, perfectly fine, but it was just like two sort of mildly pink pieces of salmon with like some sort of like white sauce on top and like herbs.

6:20Ben Mandelker: And it's probably lovely, but it also felt like a very sad, boring luncheon. And it's like that image of Lisa and Pandy with their salmons, their twin salmons has actually stayed with me so much. And I think it informs a lot about Lisa and Pandora, But I also think that like, that's what I, that's like, I'm like, when I think about salmon, I just think of like a sad luncheon. And I was like, you know what? There's more to life for salmon. Let's bring salmon back. Let's make salmon great again. Okay, people. It's a salmon revival.

6:56Ronnie Karam: I don't know how people are still making such boring salmon. It's like the only fish in the store that looks decent. Have you noticed that? Why does all the fish suck in the store? I know. Salmon is everywhere. Both places I live, both in L.A. and here. It's like salmon's it. That's it. You can get other stuff, but it's always kind of gross. I mean, I don't eat that. Granted, I'm not that adventurous. I'll have swordfish sometimes, but it just seems mushy. I don't know. Salmon's like the thing. It's all you can get, really. It's all they're farming.

7:24Ben Mandelker: Salmon is the new it, to quote Dr. Jackie. Yeah, we're going to make salmon sexy again. But anyway, so yeah, I wrote about that, so I'm feeling very happy. So go check that out. And I put my mom's gravlax recipe in there, which is really great. So, you know, that's just a really shameless shill for my own newsletter, which shilled before we even did our crap and shilling.

7:43Ronnie Karam: Yeah, it's a good, well, no, our crap and shilling is done. So, you know, we have to shill something. Let's just watch what crap and so, yeah, go get your salmon sexy. Get your salmon in a thong. Get some spring tan on it and get out there. It's hot salmon summer, y 'all. I was like Ronnie

8:00Ben Mandelker: I'm in a little bit of a rush today because I'm going to go do Julia Cunningham's show after this I'm a little bit on a rush we're going to start early let me talk for 10 minutes about salmon

8:12Ronnie Karam: okay here we are season 15 episode 15 good luck everybody stranded under the Tuscan sun a sad salmon left behind in Italy a sad salmon in an abandoned church left behind by a treat in 10 feet tall heels so shots of florin's bird's eye view of the little villa man this vacation is lasting a long time now

8:41Ben Mandelker: how many episodes yeah but this is their last day their last day on vacation right oh good um so villa i mean honestly this vacation's gone on so long and has been so and uneventful that literally the people of italy have left like they did a whole scene in an abandoned town i mean obviously it's like the set of walking dead i was waiting for like zombies to

9:03Ronnie Karam: just suddenly appear and start eating everybody what the fuck it was so surreal it clearly must

9:08Ben Mandelker: have been a sunday because sundays in europe all the towns just like empty out it's like everyone's

9:13Ronnie Karam: like don't go outside on a sunday yeah or it was like the set of real housewives of dubai you know how the whole town would empty out so they could shoot they're like we will not be on tv it's illegal or whatever their shit was they just wouldn't come on tv so everywhere they went was just like two people in this massive empty mall of a place um so here we are we're at villa bibbiani is the morning aren't you happy it's the morning the most exciting fucking guy the most excited guy in the fucking world please just calm down okay house host seriously it's too much energy i don't want to wake up to that good morning shut up okay i get it you're italian for christ's sake just criticize my tomato sauce and go back to bed leave me alone so amanda wakes up and she wakes up in the most amanda way she like opens the curtains and she's like

10:09Ben Mandelker: she's auditioning to do the new song new opening song for summer house

10:17Ben Mandelker: so then poolside Bose and Rachel are hanging out on lounge chairs Rachel's in a full on caftan and Bose is like well it's our last day in Tuscany let's live it up and she goes yeah I'm tanning you're in a full caftan your big toe is getting a tan though oh my god my big toe has such a nice tan yeah but you

10:38Ronnie Karam: don't understand my caftan's getting tanned it's like a thing That's why it's called a calf 10

10:44Ben Mandelker: It's not called a calf pale

10:48Ronnie Karam: This was white when I came out here

10:50Ben Mandelker: Now it's 10 So I'm dead Yeah I want to model for Caius On how he's a 10 Okay it's important as a parent to model for your children

10:59Ronnie Karam: And Cairo goes into the kitchen Where there's like you know the cast of Downton Abbey working You just hear Dizzy And she goes and she's like I'm having a calf and a mother With like two shots Fuck off Kyle I love that the kitchen like Semi hates Kyle So Shut up goodbye Kyle Arrivederci Kyle

11:22Ben Mandelker: Meanwhile up in the Peter Pan bedroom Where Wendy and All the children are sleeping Amanda and Sutton Are in their twin beds And they are talking and Amanda's like I think we're supposed to go Grape stomping today And Sutton's like yeah I've gotta Stomp something out you know Because last night's dinner was a little weird. How did you feel about it? Isn't it strange that Natalie actually said something? Nice, subtle turn into the conversation.

11:50Ronnie Karam: Well, I've got to stomp something out. Okay. Wasn't last night weird? Aren't you mad about it? Well, I mean, last night felt good. It feels good to be strong and feel true to myself. Okay. Well, you were talking finally, so that's good. But listen, I've got to say something. It's been sitting on me. Okay. Sort of a confession of myself as well. Okay. Because yesterday in the car on the way back from Florence, Erica got out her phone and she did that chat thing. G.P.T. Yeah. And she typed her name into it. See what it would come up. She read it out loud. And there were snippets of not great reviews.

12:25Ronnie Karam: I mean, that just felt mean spirited to me. It was mean. Chat G.P.T. Oh, God, Sutton. Do something, Sutton. This is what you're going to do. This is what you're going to put it all on. You've had a nothing of a year, and this is what you're going to put all your chips on? Is an Amanda fight? No. You're behind the wrong horse.

12:45Ben Mandelker: You're going to throw everyone under the bus for ChatGPT. By the way, how do you not know that all those things were hallucinating? You know, I want to talk about the ChatGPT. You know when AI gets it wrong, they call it hallucinating because it thinks it will give you an answer, and then you'll be like, is that true? It'll be like, no. but um not to bring it back to the salmon situation but when i was writing when i was writing my thing i i like made a declarative statement that like salmon is so good i mean it even has its own color like what other fish can say that and then i thought oh like what if there is another fish that has a color so i asked i asked ai and i was like um does are there any other fish colors and they're like well maybe they're like tuna and herring i was like really I said, tuna is a color?

13:32Ben Mandelker: Yes, tuna is a color. I never heard of that. I go, I never heard of tuna as a color, as a shade of color. And then AI goes, you're right. I think I made that up.

13:45Ben Mandelker: I was like, are you a real housewife?

13:48Ronnie Karam: Well, it's funny that ChatGPT says that, and Craig uses ChatGPT for therapy, but we can't get Craig to say that. So maybe the evolution will get trickled out.

13:59Ben Mandelker: It's just so eager to please. It's like, yeah, tuna's a color. It totally is a color. Yeah, you totally have the right instinct. Are you sure? No.

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17:10Ronnie Karam: So, yeah, Sutton's basically trying to get Amanda to go fight with everybody for looking her up on GPT, chat GPT. She's like, yeah, we typed in your name to see what would come up, and we read it out loud. And there were snippets and not great reviews. And it's just, that was mean. And Amanda's like, I mean, if they're looking at bad reviews and they're reading them out loud, I would absolutely consider that mean spirit. And so I'm like, I don't know why it got to me. I don't know why it got to me. It's just, you know, I didn't like what I saw. See something, say something. It was emotional girl terrorism.

17:44Ronnie Karam: It was girl terrorism. Do something.

17:47Ben Mandelker: Why is Sutton crying over this? What is going on with her? and so then we see a flashback of uh you know erica and bo's uh looking up stuff and something like don't do that that's not nice so then she she tells amanda and then what happened next is bo's got out her phone and then we see bo's is reading the reviews about her which is like who is bozemast john bozemast john started her marketing journey at spike lee's agency and joined pepsi cola in 2005 working with superstars like beyonce and making tuna a very popular color Wait a second ChatGPT Is that true?

18:24Ronnie Karam: Probably not Okay I'm just reading this I'm just reading this to make a comparison

18:32Ben Mandelker: We should just rename ChatGPT to Sue The lady who just wants to fit in I just was I got excited I'm sorry

18:40Ronnie Karam: You know what I was trying to compete with ChatGPT It's just me Sue You got me hey what is the um what is the arch inst louis it's a spaceship it's a spaceship it took the first monkey to space and uh it built the first mile in wetahatchee is that true no gosh it's

19:03Ben Mandelker: just i just i get excited sometimes and i just i just want to say something so you

19:08Ronnie Karam: yeah i just want to fit in just for once i would like someone to say hey sue you know and that's siri or alexa god they get all the fun you know what about hey sue you know no one asked me anything speaking of they changed the voice on the alexa i'm sorry i'm yes i'm saying her name no i know this or not i'm i'm sorry if we said everybody's thing off but um they changed it on her and i have my light set so if i say like code things it talks back to me and then does what i say right because i'm single and i have no life and so this is what i do this is what i do for company, I program my virtual assistant to talk to me.

19:47Ronnie Karam: So, like, in the middle of the night, I wake up to pee. So, I say, hey, Sue, I gotta pee. And then she says, Jesus Christ, man. You know, like, I made her go, Jesus Christ, man. Well, the new one goes, Jesus Christ, man! I started laughing so hard last...

20:11Ben Mandelker: it's so funny with like with sue and then and then the apple version of sue like every time there's like a software update they kind of change their inflection they like evolve their inflections and it's so funny how they will randomly show extreme emotion and then just

20:25Ronnie Karam: go back to being robot voices it's so good because they haven't they haven't put it across all of the selections yet so yeah you're right some of it'll be like you know jesus christ man And then it'll be like, it is six o 'clock in the morning. You know, it hasn't got them totally in there yet. Yeah. Apple Sue. It's really funny.

20:44Ben Mandelker: Apple Sue, or what do we used to call her? Was it Pat or something like that?

20:47Ronnie Karam: I forget her name. We've had a few names for her, but I like Sue. I like this. I like this. I like Sue. Sue is our AI. But I tell her when I'm hot at night to turn on the fan, I go, hey, Sue, I'm hot. And she normally goes, yeah, you are, you know. But now she goes, yeah, you are.

21:09Ben Mandelker: She just got divorced and is like, new Sue.

21:13Ronnie Karam: I don't know if they've heard, if they're like listening to your voice. Because one time I went in and I saw on Reddit or something like they're recording everything that you say, right? And so you can go in and you can find the recordings of yourself. And they're little snippets where it's catching you thinking that maybe you're saying something it needs to hear, you know? And the recordings of me are just crazy. walking around my house talking to my dog just the things i say to myself and different housewives i mean i'm literally crazy i didn't know until i listened to all of these records it's me walking around like darling put the pashmina over your head please i have company coming over you know stuff like that they're all in there so i was like are they listening to that and they're like oh some queen lives there so just make it sassy like yeah you are girl mine does not sass me but i do find

22:03Ben Mandelker: that the apple sue um will like certain words like wow it'll get really excited about you know if i'm like that's really interesting wow thanks for telling me you need to make it do the padma wow i need to have padma voice i think actually i got a new laptop and it was like um it was you know you have to set up your suri voice and i don't like that this the the the default voice is not like the classic one. Now it's like a California dude. It's like, hey, what's going on? How can I help you today? I'm like, get the fuck out of here, bro. I need a lady. I need a lady who seems like she might be slightly bureaucratic.

22:46Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I did that too the first time they put a man up there because he's like, make a left. I was like, fuck you. I didn't invite you to my car. Get the fuck out of here. I only spent time with the patriarchy.

22:56Ben Mandelker: I want Sue to be like, make a left really i thought it was to the right you're right i i don't know where i am

23:06Ronnie Karam: i just was grateful to be talked to i really don't know where we are

23:10Ben Mandelker: i don't read maps i get turned around so easily here we go all right so the clip was bo's reading

23:20Ronnie Karam: her own chat gpt description now which of course is glowing and amanda sucked and so So Sutton's like, well, I mean, Bose is very impressive. You know, I mean, Pepsi, Coa, that is something else. Spike Lee, wow, wow. But, you know, I said, you know, Bose, we know what you do. And she said, oh, I just want to compare, you know. And so Amanda's like, like her mouth just opens. And it works, like she gets pissy. And so the producer asks Amanda why she thinks Bose was trying to compare. And she's like, because her digital course doesn't make money and mine makes millions of dollars.

24:00Ben Mandelker: Well, I just want you to know I'm on your side. And by on your side, I'm using you to agitate the other women. Okay, great.

24:09Ronnie Karam: She goes, by your side, I mean Kyle's side, who is for some reason deciding to fight for you because you don't like to read. Okay. It's weak, but you know what? It's all I've got. So.

24:21Ben Mandelker: Thank you. Oh, look here. Like, look at what it says. entrepreneur and mindset coach. So rise to success audience in 885 countries. Chat GPT is going on and on about how great I am. So did she just like type in bad reviews of Amanda Francis? Cause that would be really shitty. Sue says I'm amazing, you know, and are they trying to build like a scam artist case against me? I'm like, I don't think they have to build it. I think they just have to go to your website for them for that. Okay. $1 ,500 for one of your manifestation courses.

24:53Ronnie Karam: Yeah, there's nothing as mean as what they read or like as I don't know, mean that word. That's a Kyle word. But there's nothing as terrible as what they read. I'm saying Amanda Francis is a self-described money queen. I think that's the shadiest part, a self-described money queen and personal development coach known for her work around mindset and manifestation. She's built a large following, particularly on Instagram, and runs an online business focused on helping people, primarily women, change their beliefs around money and abundance. So that's not bad. So let's see what they say. It's Claude.

25:29Oh, damn it.

25:31Ronnie Karam: I just said. But I guess I would have to use ChatGPT, right? You know, if you're going to make it equal. People get mad when we use that stuff, though. But you know what? Get mad.

25:38Ben Mandelker: You know what? I get it. I get it. I'm looking. well you know i typed in who is amanda france what was your question did you what did you ask

25:48Ronnie Karam: who is amanda francis so i am and it says the same thing basically amanda francis is a self-described

25:55Ben Mandelker: money manifestation coach and entrepreneur yeah there is a thing down at the bottom that says

26:01Ronnie Karam: controversy criticism i mean it's after a lot of other stuff that's like you know her niche her background media presence became more widely known in pop culture for real housewives okay than controversy. Some people question or criticize her business model selling high-priced mindset manifestation courses while others say her techniques have helped them. So that's not that bad.

26:23Ben Mandelker: Here's what mine and mine dragged me into this. It says, it has like different like paragraphs and says drama. She's explained a past cult experience on the show and has friction with Dorit who apparently tried to use cult history as quote unquote dirt against her. She's also feuding with the selling sunset cast after throwing shade at them in an interview basically very much in your wheelhouse as a WWC person. She's one of the more polarizing New Housewives this season. I was like, I'm not asking for recommendations, AI. And it's not about if she's in the wheelhouse for Watch for Crappins.

26:58Ronnie Karam: I don't know if she was feuding with Selling Sunset. For Davina, she was on and she threw Davina. Oh, right. That's right. She was on that show. And it's a pretty good fight, actually. Davina's like, whatever. You were just using me to be on TV. You had already sold that house anyway.

27:14Ben Mandelker: Yeah, Team DeVita always.

27:16Ronnie Karam: So now I looked up Bose, and it says high-profile business exec, author and TV personality, career and why she's famous, Netflix, Apple, Uber, Pepsi. Named for her personality and influence in branding. It doesn't have a controversy tab. So I don't know where Amanda found hers. I think they were both Googling like, what's the controversy about whatever? Or like, why does Amanda Francis suck? Let me ask you that. Why does Amanda Francis suck? Oh, it says I have to log in or sign up for free. I ain't paying for that. I've wasted enough water today. I'm sorry.

28:01Ben Mandelker: You're going to have to pay$1 ,500 for one of my courses to find out why I suck.

28:05Ronnie Karam: before so amanda though it's funny this is what it says it's not really accurate to say she objectively sucks but there are some common reasons people criticize amanda francis i'm gonna ask it also why just it just told me off what how about this why is amanda francis the worst let's see what it says expensive courses with vague outcomes heavy emphasis on manifestation get rich messaging, business model concerns, polarizing personality, abrasive, overly self-promotional. On the flip side, they're more positive, you know?

28:41Ben Mandelker: Okay, Claude is trying to be like, is trying to have a kiki with me. But I said, why is Amanda Francis the worst? It goes, oh, this is very much a season 15 RHOBH thing, exclamation point. You're watching, I take it?

28:54Ronnie Karam: I'm like, you have gay guys too, I love it. you have my Alexa like hey girl yeah you are at the end it does this whole thing and at the end

29:06Ben Mandelker: it goes are you caught up on the season or just dipping in because there's a whole Pinocchio mask apology subplot from Bose that is extremely unhinged that's so good okay this one says I

29:17Ronnie Karam: wouldn't I wouldn't I put in why does Bose suck and it's just to be fair you know and it says I I wouldn't frame it as she sucks, but like most other visible leaders, Bose gets a mix of praise and criticism, big personality, polarizing style, attention seeking, overly performative, high profile roles, short tenure tenures. She's worked in major companies like Netflix and Uber. Critics point that certain companies weren't very long and they question how much long term impact she had. She's very visible in speaking, blah, blah, blah. Some people in corporate circles argue that this level of visibility can overshadow the less glamorous day-to-day execution work.

29:54Ronnie Karam: I mean, I don't know. Neither one of them are too bad.

29:58Ben Mandelker: I have to say, like, at the cocktail party, I'm the one having – I'm in, like, the fun conversation, and you're stuck talking to, like, a really boring person. I'm trying to flag you over to come over to talk to my new friend. You are. You are. Your AI is so much more boring than mine. Mine is like, girlfriend. It is.

30:13Ronnie Karam: It is. Wow. Mine sucks. So you're like, well, let me, girl, have a seat.

30:20Ben Mandelker: It really is. I said, tell me about Bo's. Let's just, let's see what little patter it tries to try to, like, connect with me about. As it, like, it's going to be like, girlfriend. Oh, no, now it's being boring again. Never mind. It stopped being chatty with me.

30:34Ronnie Karam: Anyway, I guess the point of this science fair was to prove that they were both Googling, like, why is Bo's a bitch? And why is Amanda a fraud? You know? so she read amanda reads her version and um she's like um thank you because here here it is entrepreneur mindset coach rise to success audience in the 185 countries chat tvt's going on and on about how great i am so did she just type bad reviews of amanda francis because that would be shitty like are they trying to build like a scam artist case against me or something and then she's like because if they are where's the skill i have very heavy clients what do people think they're making a point when they do that when they clap in your face you sound like a child is trying to be taught the alphabet stop it stop clapping in my face yeah um well of course you

31:30Ben Mandelker: have very happy clients because if they were unhappy they wouldn't be your clients anymore so you know just want to point that out so you probably have several ex-clients that are like i just spent fifteen hundred dollars learning how to manifest and they got me no more money so sudden's like yeah of course you wouldn't have a business you know amanda doesn't have a bad bone in her body i know we all think she's trying to show off but when our bedroom door is shut she is still talking about her business like still like she really loves her business like a lot. I'm like, what does that have to do with her having a bad bone in her body?

32:05Ben Mandelker: Amanda's like, my book was number 19 out of 40 million books when it came out on Amazon. It's fucking shitty that they want to play this game with me. Like, this is my livelihood. This is how I support my children. They know I'm the breadwinner. I'm like, guess what? This is their livelihood. It's shitting on other people in their cast. Get with it.

32:28Ronnie Karam: That's true. But I love that when she always pulls it around to a victim thing like this is my livelihood this is how i support my children you know i'm married to a poor person i'm married to a poor poor person i like that she gets a husband big in there yeah yeah i'm shocked i'm the cucumber chip winner i am shocked that bose is acting like she wants to

32:58Ben Mandelker: make progress with me but i don't think that's true i think she's just speculating behind my back and it's mean-spirited it's hurtful and it's gotta end okay well really put the shoe down there

33:11Ronnie Karam: yeah i think it is mean i think that i think the other ladies are being mean to amanda i have to say like i watch it and i'm like this isn't very becoming like really what has amanda done to you guys she's done nothing like no matter really has not done anything she's annoying i mean i give her that. I think she's annoying as fuck as well. And I mean, to prove it, Sutton is trying to be on Amanda's side, right? She's like, I'm going to sleep in Amanda's room. I'm going to become friends with her. I'm going to get her against Dorit, just like Kyle wants. This is going to go great. And even Sutton can't make it through one scene without being like, well, she doesn't have bad bone in her body, but God, she's annoying.

33:46Ronnie Karam: She won't shut up about her business. Sutton can't even do it. She can't even fake it. So yes, she's annoying, but she hasn't done anything to these people and they're being really mean you know and i think that if somebody was googling boz's stuff she would be not happy about it i know if they were googling dorit shit or anybody else's shit they'd be like how dare you i'm supporting me children yeah i mean i agree that none of them

34:10Ben Mandelker: would really um like hold up with with a nice google search i mean erica hello but that being said, I can, yeah, yeah, they're being mean. I'm not going to deny that they're being mean, but I, where I am going to push back slightly is you have this person coming on who is being super annoying and super braggy and it's like, okay, fine. And they put up with it. They put up with it for a while, but it does kind of feel like she's a con artist. And it's kind of like, you're going to come on to our show and like promote this kind of like, what feels kind of like a fire festival situation. And like, we have to co-sign it and be like, like, I don't think people want to be part of that.

34:53Ben Mandelker: And it's like, like something, something is fishy going on with this girl. And like, and I don't want to be complicit with it. So I, I kind of get, I get the, I get the looking up stuff. I get that. I think where it's like, it sort of falls apart is where it was the same energy with all the other fishiness that is sort of lurking.

35:14Ronnie Karam: I mean, Doreen's never had one business that's made any sense. You know, what about Kyle's businesses that have all been disasters and her shows that have been on for one episode or one season or whatever? So they could do this with everybody. I think I think I just prefer the style of someone like Rachel, who's just like quietly disgusted and makes little comments here and there. I think that that's hilarious. And I don't think she's being mean. You know, I don't think, you know, like the sitting around. And it's just hard to root for people when they're like, obviously, I like housewives. So I'm not averse to people being mean.

35:48Ronnie Karam: It's just the way they're doing it is just, I don't like it. I don't like it. It rubs me the wrong way. Now that said, then it comes to Amanda and her defense of herself is so annoying that I'm back on the other side in like five minutes. I'm back on the other side again. But it's not. It's kind of her reaction to things. You know, we've talked about this before. Like, it's your reaction to things on these shows. People can be mean or whatever. is how you react that makes you a good housewife or a bad housewife. If you're really funny and you're really bitchy back or you get them back in some way, that means you're a good housewife.

36:18Ronnie Karam: If you whine and cry and then start telling me your stats of your website, I'm just, I can't be on your site either.

36:24Ben Mandelker: Yeah, exactly. I really thought Amanda was going to be someone who came in this season and just like called people out on their ship. Like these two people are idiots and they're clicky and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I make money. Yeah, like, yeah, I do con people. But that's what I, that's the American dream. I figured it out. And like, if people want to give me money, then so fine. I'm going to, I'm like, I thought she would just be a little bit more, um, badass batch boss batch, but she's actually kind of just like this annoying Nat. And I get, I do appreciate that she annoys everyone that her nattiness does like, you know, like it does do the Nat thing.

37:01Ben Mandelker: But, um, yeah, but it's is but she also annoys me as well yeah so it's like i have a hard time like being full like really on her side like i kind of get why the women are exasperated by her because she's just

37:16Ronnie Karam: so annoying all the time yeah they just need better fodder i think than this because it's old and it's episode 15 like move it move it along you know and i agree with you i thought she was was like oh really well they're they're mad at me because like they don't have a life and then and and she just said that whole big long thing was so funny to them that was really funny and they were showing that in the previews and so i was thinking oh this is who we're gonna get but uh

37:48Ben Mandelker: then we didn't you know we didn't we didn't get that we i guess we should have manifested harder

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41:11Ben Mandelker: It's like I'm pretending like I'm shopping. I'm shopping for coffee. I can shop anywhere, even in the kitchen.

41:16Ronnie Karam: I need a coffee. I went to bed at like five in the morning. I never do that anymore. I never do that anymore. Well, I never eat in the middle of the night, but I was scrounging like a little burglar. And Kathy comes in and she's dressed to go. And they're like, where are you going? She's like, I just need to go shop for an hour and look around. Please leave me alone. I can't take all. She's like, please. I want a fan. She's like, I'm just going to find a decent fan.

41:43Ben Mandelker: Well, I can't believe like last night, you know. Oh, yeah. You called Natalie a liar. Yeah. Well, I mean, if the shoe fits, then I'm going to buy it. I love to shop. And then we see Natalie sit down at the pool and we go back to Kyle. And Kyle is talking about how like, the truth is I have liked Natalie all along, but if Amanda and the cameras had not been there yesterday, it would have been my word against hers. And who knows what people would think. No, sorry, I don't play that game. I'm sorry. I don't, well, first of all, I also often is your word against someone else's. But second of all, I'm not really tracking this situation with a lie.

42:21Ben Mandelker: Again, like Natalie said, when Amanda said, I heard Bose say my name. And Natalie's like, yeah, yeah, I think Bose said it as a joke. And then when they, Kyle somehow confronted, um, uh, Natalie at, at the dinner last night and Natalie walked something back. But what did Natalie actually walk back? I just, it was so small. I didn't understand why it became such a big,

42:44Ronnie Karam: because Kyle was saying, you heard the thing that you heard the thing that Bo said about Natalie right or about god damn it we're getting old you heard the thing that Natalie said about her right about Amanda you heard the thing that Bo said at first she said yes but it was a joke then they get to the dinner and Amanda's like well Natalie heard it and Natalie's like no she's like yes you did you said you did she goes no I didn't and she's like yes you did you said you heard what she said why aren't you saying she's like no don't drag me into this You've been doing it all year and I'm not having it.

43:16Ronnie Karam: She's like, no, but you're a liar. And Natalie actually apologized on Instagram this week. It was too boring to remember the whole thing. It was too boring to even screenshot. Like I screenshotted it and then my phone just erased it. It was like, ah. But it was something like, yeah, I have to take ownership. That was bullshit. I should have just owned it or something like that. So she even admits to it. I don't know what Natalie was doing. I think Natalie was just like, I'm not jumping on Kyle's side. she was like i'm not well i don't think that natalie likes kyle either by the way i don't think any of these people like kyle and this episode is why it's my favorite of the season because finally kyle is they're starting to turn and see what kyle is doing she's so ham-handed so when she says oh really well the cameras catch it you don't think the cameras are going to catch it i don't play that game really because you're trying to play that game this whole episode and tell everybody what they've said and what they're thinking and the cameras all have it that they're not saying or thinking what you're saying they're thinking.

44:10Ronnie Karam: So it's kind of fun to watch Kyle get caught in her own ointment.

44:14Ben Mandelker: But also it's like, okay, so Natalie walks back that she overheard it for whatever reason. I don't know why she really did it. It doesn't really make sense. But now Kyle is like, she is a liar. She's lying and that's why I called her a liar. It's like, yeah, she did lie, but also like, the lie is about the backup. Like you were, you, you wanted, you were calling upon Natalie to back up the story that, um, that, that Bose made this joke. I don't know. Like, it's, it's not like, it's not like Natalie's lie was at the center of a major controversy and it wasn't like the crux of a controversy. It's like you're fighting with an extra.

45:00Ben Mandelker: Yeah. You know what I mean? it's like, it's like you were calling on Natalie to back you up to, so that way people could be mad at Bose. And then Natalie was like, yeah, I don't want to be part of this essentially. And so she just like takes herself out of it. And Kyle is, yeah, if I were Kyle, I would be annoyed for sure. But Kyle is acting like this was, you know, some sort of Epic case that she's worked on for nine years and they finally get to the courthouse and it's the star witness and the star witness just like

45:30Ronnie Karam: backs out of the testimony like it's just this was like i don't want to stand up for natalie because natalie's kind of a non-entity like i don't hate her i don't like her she's just you know like oatmeal without anything in it she's just an entity fuller like yeah but i don't want to stand up for her but just to point out what a hypocrite fucking kyle is she's like liar liar she lied so she's a liar this and that oh really kyle well how is your breakup with morgan going with that house that you just bought in nashville and the comments on her instagram and you guys being spotted together all the time.

45:58Ronnie Karam: I mean, get the fuck out of here. You do nothing but lie. Your whole tenure here is a lie. So your whole season is a lie with your sad sack of breakup. Get the fuck out of here, Kyle. So Kathy's like, well, are you sure of that? Cause liar is a very strong word. It's a very, very strong. She's like, Kathy, I'm your sister. And I'm telling you, she told me something and then off my, she changed her word. So do you believe me? Are you going to believe the person you just met? she's like oh well okay i guess i'll go with you okay why is kyle so invested in this amanda

46:30Ben Mandelker: situation dude this is amanda's fight to have amanda's fight is to say i heard like bows you like natalie said like who is the like who'd be the pinocchio in our group and bows you said amanda why is kyle getting into a tizzy and calling upon natalie to uh be a character witness in this

46:50Ronnie Karam: moment like why is that because i think it's because kyle is trying to do what she always does which is rally the troops get them to go against who she wants and get rid of them in this case it's dorit she really is like sick of dorit's shit and she wants to get rid of dorit so she's getting people to go against her she got amanda to go against her and now no one will back her up and they're amanda's a huge fail and kyle's like losing her grip she's losing her grip nobody cares what Kyle's trying to do. Nobody cares about Amanda. They're like, I'm not going to be friends with Amanda just to get rid of Dorit.

47:22Ronnie Karam: We like Dorit. Everyone else likes Dorit. And Kyle's losing it. She's losing her grip. And I think she's starting to freak out. Because this episode, she is freaking out.

47:31Ben Mandelker: She really is. Although, oddly enough, this is my favorite Kyle episode of the season, too. Me too. Because it's real Kyle. I love it when Kyle goes off on someone. She's like, she flips her mind at the end of the episode. And that was like season one Kyle. And I say this every single year. That's my favorite version of Kyle, where she is like a flawed hero. She's like trying to do, she's like, she's like, she tries to be relatable, but she just like, she, she bubbles with rage. And that was like my favorite version. And it's more when she's like, well, I feel bad or whatever. And then she's like manipulating people and then accusing people of not being honest when she herself is not being honest.

48:05Ben Mandelker: Like that's the worst version of Kyle. But Kyle just like calling someone out on their shit and getting really angry about it. Even if I'm not on her side, because I'm not on her side. I still like that version of Kyle a whole lot more. So, and this was, that was her this episode.

48:19Ronnie Karam: It's at least a dishrag that works, you know? Well, it's like a real person. It's like a cotton dishrag. Yeah, instead of like one of those dishrags that doesn't sop up any water. You're like, why did I buy this dishrag?

48:28Ben Mandelker: So Kyle's like, can I say something else? I'm like, you're the only one who has been saying something else. Dorit came in late and then she just left. Oh, well, you know, and men don't like that, by the way. Conrad Hilton couldn't deal with Zsa Zsa Gabor anymore. It was too much. And you could see they're both like, okay, let's humor Kathy and pretend like we care about this. Oh, she was always late? Is that what it was? Is that what it was? Like they've been sitting here pondering what happened between Zsa Zsa and Conrad. Oh, is that what it was?

49:02Ronnie Karam: All this time we thought it was something else.

49:04Ben Mandelker: Maybe it was cheating.

49:05Ronnie Karam: Oh. She was just constantly getting ready and he couldn't take it anymore. She just left. Oh, well, she must lie to me. Jesus Christ, Zaza. Am I right? Am I right? You know, I really liked Zaza until she slapped that police officer. And I said, you do not know what I go through at night.

49:27Ben Mandelker: How old was Zaza when she slapped that police officer? 23 years old.

49:33Ronnie Karam: Are you sure about that, Sue?

49:35Ben Mandelker: No, I made that up. I got nervous.

49:39Ronnie Karam: But anyway, I told Dorit you're giving me anxiety alright I just want you to be here and be part of the conversation I don't want you to be late the conversation is fascinating we're talking about how it matters truthful and everybody else sucks come on Dorit

49:52Ben Mandelker: and even when she's here she's texting all the time and we see footage of Dorit texting and Kyle's like Dorit has been acting so weird lately she's either late or always on her phone and I'm worried about her and I want to help her get to the bottom of this and yeah by the way a hundred percent like a friend is going through a divorce it's rough they they start showing up late they're more distracted they're on their phone a hundred percent like i think we've been there with people who've gone through things and you see that and of course you're alarmed but just again it's hard to hear it from kyle because what kyle how kyle changed and she changed so significantly during her situation mauricio and then all of a sudden morgan wade and the fact that like no one was allowed to discuss it and like how dare you ask me about this and now she's like now she wants to go on like a like a spiritual witch hunt with dorit it's like no no kyle just you're just not the right messenger for this and another point to just add on to that

50:48Ronnie Karam: is that dorit has always been late and dorit has always only been on her phone that has been the complaint about dorit for 10 fucking years dorit is late everywhere and all she does like she was literally late to do that instagram thing where she was leaning up against the window taking pictures of herself in glam you know that's always been the fight against dorit it's not she's not insane for being late she's a rude for being late yeah dorit is a complete completely inconsiderate rude of a human being and if this fight was about dorit being rude and late and late all the time and making everyone wait then yeah i would be 100 behind it but it's not it's kyle trying to make it sound like that's some new thing and that that points to psychosis And she's clearly on PK's side behind the scenes.

51:33Ronnie Karam: And she's trying to build a case against Dorit because she's fighting with Dorit in a divorce. And it's just gross. It's not good girl code to be doing that. And it's just fucking gross behavior by Kyle. And so I can't get behind any of it, even though she's completely right that Dorit is an asshole by being late all the time. But she's not right about it pointing to some kind of psychosis. Like, Dorit has always spent money she doesn't have. She's always been late. And she's always been self-obsessed and on her phone. And you were fine with all of that when you were using her as a weapon. But now that she's your enemy, you're going to point to it like she needs to be locked up and given a lobotomy.

52:07Ronnie Karam: Shut up, Kyle.

52:08Ben Mandelker: Yeah. So now it's time for our activities for the day. The women are going to be, some are going to go to be in a bike group and go grape stomping. And some are going to, and then Erica and Kyle and Dorit will be eventually going to an empty ghost town in Italy. so uh there are all these bikes that are laid out and beau's like who wants to ride bikes and everyone's like no amanda says yes rachel's like not a chance in hell like i just tanned this caftan like i'm not gonna get it dirty no thank y 'all the only kind of bike i would ride is an

52:45Ronnie Karam: e-bike just to impress kai kai but i'm not gonna do it because i won't let sky sky drive on so no I'm not gonna do it. So some of them do that. Meanwhile, Jennifer is in the pool naked. And she's like, oh, I'm... Or no, she's talking about how she went to the pool to do her photo shoot naked under the water. And she's just like, oh, this is me taking a thirst trap photo in a pool. Pool water, something else. Just yapping her head off to the photographer.

53:14Ben Mandelker: She's like, oh, Jesus. And there's like one shot where she's like, she's just in there. First she has both her, well she has her like hands around her boobies and then she's like under the water sort of like covering but then she's taking her one hand and she's just slapping the water she's like

53:35Ben Mandelker: she's having the best time in other words like birds being killed birds being shot

53:41Ronnie Karam: so then we go back to Villa Bibiani while Kyle and Erica are still waiting for her to read and Kyle's like oh my god do we ask her how much longer? I mean, this is crazy. Maybe she should just meet us there. I mean, oh my God. Should we have a white van show up?

53:54Ben Mandelker: Now, let me say this. I mean, we pretty much just said this, but let me say it some, let me emphasize something. Like it really is rude and annoying to have to wait for someone and wait for someone for like a very long time, you know, like a very long time, which is what happens with Dorit. It's honestly 10 times worse when you're on vacation because there's that sense of urgency. Like we don't have much time. We want to maximize. We want to see things. And like, if you're just like sitting around your like old villa waiting and especially when other people have already left and started adventures for the day and you're just sitting there waiting and waiting and waiting.

54:30Ben Mandelker: Honestly, I would be seeing red. That's for sure.

54:33Ronnie Karam: Yeah, it's rude. So Dorit, of course, is not even ready yet. We cut to Dorit. She's in her bathrobe. She's like, where are my pasties? So she's like, Coyle has been talking shit to everyone in the group behind my back about how I'm erratic. Do you really think I want to go sightseeing and grubbly-grub? Not really. But maybe this is Coyle trying to extend an olive branch. And maybe she wants to apologize.

55:02Ben Mandelker: Maybe. Gee, gee, do I really want to get gelato with these women? I don't think so. So Kyle's like, I'm not going to lie. I'm getting like really antsy. Yeah, everybody left my boss. So then we see Amanda Bowes and Natalie riding along to the winery. And Amanda's like, this is so fun. It's like so pretty. And Natalie's like, Sutton's going to regret not doing this. She would have crushed it. What was that, Natalie? I didn't say anything. What are you talking about? Sexy.

55:33Ronnie Karam: So in the car, Sutton is talking to Rachel and Jennifer. And Rachel's like, yeah, I thought you were right. but like honestly i was like so quiet after last night like there was like so much happening i just felt like a spectator i felt like like a spectator i was like vulnerable i was so vulnerable and

55:51Ben Mandelker: quiet what's nice so quiet yeah it was like a three-ring circus i felt like had like front row seats to nascar and then uh the bikers um arrive at the vineyard and bo's is sweaty and she's like in the movies you see people riding bikes in europe to open fields and it's glamorous but in real life it's not that at all and it's too sweaty and also Amanda Francis is with you that's just not the same as a Liv Tyler so

56:17Ronnie Karam: then now we get to go wine stomping I'm bored I hate this shit so then we go while they're wine stomping Jennifer's like I'm excited to stop grapes but you know maybe I'll put this on my special skills on my resume

56:35Ronnie Karam: and Stefano's there and he's like we are going to stop grapes It's like, oh my God, you're even here?

56:42Ben Mandelker: Rachel's like, I don't stomp grapes. I drink grapes. I don't like squishy things or feet. Like, and it involves, like, if it involves taking up my heels, I'm, like, already uncomfortable with that. Like, Zand would never, like, could you even imagine going all the way to Montauk and, like, Zand says, let's go grape stomping? Like, it, like, would never happen. Like, it's disgusting.

57:03Ronnie Karam: So they have to do it, basically. And they're like, oh my God, it's slimy. It's squishy. It's wet So then Sutton and Bose are talking Well they're kind of gathering in a circle All the ladies And they're comparing notes Like how was the bike ride? How was the grape stomp? So Sutton's like well we had an interesting car ride We talked about last night And Natalie's like I felt like last night was playing tennis Against someone more skilled than me

57:31Ben Mandelker: You play tennis? What? Why were you talking about tennis? I never talked about tennis

57:37Ronnie Karam: you just said you played tennis don't do this to me you've been doing it all year

57:44Ben Mandelker: i'm just confused why if amanda believes i confirmed that i heard the mass comment why am i being called a liar so that's the thing by the way i seem to remember in the episode that natalie did confirm some something you know i don't even know i don't know i don't even care so suddenly goes well you didn't seem to have a secure answer about the mass thing with amanda It was funny, but like, I didn't know how that was considered a joke, really. And then Natalie, you were called a liar. But I found it interesting that Bose wasn't called a liar. Isn't that so interesting, Bose? Bose is like, Amanda called me a liar.

58:17Ben Mandelker: Yeah, but like, she has like more of a reputation in the group. So no one's just going to jump in and say Bose is a liar, right? Well, Bose has a commanding presence. So it's easy for people just to fall in line. But that doesn't mean we should just ignore questioning things that people do. You still have to question them. If not, that can be a very dangerous type of relationship. And if you're not going to question them, what you do is you set up a younger, more vulnerable person to ask the questions for you. That's what you really do.

58:49Ronnie Karam: Because one thing Sutton loves is being questioned. I like that Sutton's like, well, everybody's going to be questioned. Oh, really? How's your store doing? Ah, there you. So back to the vineyard, Amanda is like, so do you not think you said it, Bo, about the mask? And she's like, no, I do not believe I said it. And my point is that in the best interest of friendship, if you have something to say, you stand on business and you say it, which I'm not doing because I refuse to say that I called you Pinocchio.

59:17Ben Mandelker: I stand on the multimillion dollar business, though, when I say things. I do think that we have a bigger thing to talk about. like why are you why are people trying to find out things about me on chat gpt oh because our friendship our question was who is amanda francis oh and right but why but why but why did you do

59:39Ronnie Karam: that the question is like why are you trying to find things out because we asked who who's amanda francis actually yeah well you you said that you're chachi beauty said that you're the money

59:51Ben Mandelker: queen and then a bunch of criticism about you okay but like i don't know what you want to know about my business but according to the stats just the general stats that are around according to just

1:00:02Ronnie Karam: stats in general like and by the way i just want to remind me while i'm doing this monologue not

1:00:07Ben Mandelker: to forget to clap oh yeah okay but according to the stats 80 of people who buy one of my courses by a second course because it's part of a three course pack. And I have less than a 3 % refund rate on my courses, which is unheard of in my industry. And that is a very, very low amount of people wanting a refund on digital. Oh my God.

1:00:36Ronnie Karam: Oh my God, you're just so boring. Nobody cares. This isn't the point. Oh my gosh. So everybody, we're looking at Sutton Amanda's faces and Sutton's just like, oh my God, I'm really sticking up for this person. And Rachel's like, why do we have to do this in the vineyard? Like, it feels like the wrong vibe. Like, my toes are a different color now. Like, this is disgusting. Why are we doing this here? Dead.

1:01:01Ben Mandelker: This is Rachel speak for shut the fuck up. Yeah. It feels sort of like the wrong vibe. Yeah, okay. Here's the thing, Amanda. You are defending your business versus telling us what you actually do. But like, who wouldn't be defensive about their livelihood and how they came to like, how they support themselves? And if like, how they came up in the world was in question?

1:01:25Ronnie Karam: Like, who would question somebody who's just like trying to help needy, hot straight men who don't understand jobs?

1:01:32Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Well, you can counter it by actually saying what's at the heart of it. When you jump right to defense, obviously people are going to want to come back with an attack. The root of Amanda's defensiveness is her insecurity. Because if she actually felt secure in her business and her life, then whenever those things are criticized, she'd be able to defend it without getting flustered or angry. Clearly! So, Amanda's like...

1:01:55Ronnie Karam: I mean, the thing is, I don't understand. I understand why Amanda's annoyed, obviously. But I don't really understand Boz's point here. She's like, well, we don't understand what your business is. But we don't know what it is. Who cares? Like, why does anyone care? I wish they would just say, Amanda, you're annoying and all you do is talk about your business and you come off as insecure. They're saying it in all of these roundabout ways. And Bose is so direct. They're not even doing that.

1:02:21Ben Mandelker: Yeah. They're not even doing it in the roundabout way. They're trying to add a, this is what we said last week. They're actually trying to add a lofty, you know, I don't know the right words to say for it. But like they're trying to make it seem actually more than it is. Be like, we want to know about you. We want to know the heart of the business. No, you are annoyed and you looked it up because you're like what you just said, Ronnie. You're fucking annoying. And we looked up your shit because we find you really annoying.

1:02:46Ronnie Karam: Just say that. You know, we think you're annoying. Sorry. I mean, you can't say that. But this like roundabout way of like, but we really want to understand. You don't want to understand her business. Just stop. And Bose is so direct. And like her personality is so like here. I'm no nonsense. But this is all nonsense. And so it's hard to get behind her, too. so um she's like uh so Amanda's like yeah but like you know look yourself up yourself yesterday and you know why did you look yourself up and say like this is why I'm great and let's compare me to Amanda just well because we were already looking you up so I said you know is this the person who thinks I'm talking about her why would I talk about her if I could talk about me but you were talking about her you were literally looking her up in the back of the car like I mean I think

1:03:31Ben Mandelker: that the reason why bows looked herself up was like see like this is bad that if you ask who is amanda francis and all this criticism comes up because if you look if you just type in my name no criticism comes up right um she and she should have just said that so amanda's like oh now we have amanda like talking to us and she's like okay well reviews of bosomast john skepticism about her short 10 years brand over substance skepticism stop wait this is exactly what she says about me. Stop! Okay, wait, here we go. Stop! Oh, stop! Stop! You guys, you guys, our courses are inspirational, but they lack tactical depth, high efficiency, high energy, firming confidence forward, but no concrete advice for people who need step-by-step execution and transformation.

1:04:26Ben Mandelker: Stop! That's like what she says about

1:04:29Ronnie Karam: me. But the internet's saying it about her and that's why she's doing this to me. Well Amanda, who told you that everyone was talking about you in the car yesterday? I know it wasn't me. And Buzz just looks at Sutton and she's like, okay Sutton, what was your intention by telling Amanda that? And she's like, oh, me Sutton feeling things. It's Sutton Brown cries. Listen, when I was introduced to this group it was six years ago and i just opened my store which by the way is gone now that's neither here nor there and everyone supported me and i just wanted her to feel like she had that same support that i did i'm trying to support her business and i mean why is son crying you make no sense either you liar just say because you're trying to fight for kyle because you want to be Kyle's friend because you have nobody left.

1:05:26Ben Mandelker: So then Boze is like, my point is this. I also have seminars, so I also know how to bullshit. Bring the wall down. Let us see you. So that way we can mock you on a deeper level.

1:05:36Ronnie Karam: Mr. Gorbachev, bring this wall down. Well, I mean, I have, though, over multiple conversations, but it's still hard for me. You can simply say your origin story, why you started your business, why you do what you do. That's what we want to know. The real story behind a Amanda, what's your name again? Smith? Amanda Smith.

1:05:57Ben Mandelker: Whatever. And I would love to do that. And by the way, somewhere in here, they show flashbacks of the fact that, like, they did go to Amanda's house, and she did try to have them journal, and they all, like, made fun of her in that process. And, like, that was, I mean, you know, they do so many stupid things on this show, so many stupid activities, between, like, having goats walk on their backs, or injecting, you know, rubber into their forehead or like doing some sort, like they're constantly doing crazy things. So like this was nothing out of the ordinary for them to, if they've done a sound bath, they can do some journaling.

1:06:36Ben Mandelker: So like they were pretty disrespectful about this event. I mean, also they were probably raging with jealousy that they were not at the Hamptons, that they were sitting there journaling. but still there they did have a chance to kind of step into amanda's world and they they kind of

1:06:52Ronnie Karam: mocked her instead yeah bose's argument here it just doesn't make any sense you know none of it none of it's really making any sense i don't think she's making any good points it's just that amanda's more annoying so i'm still on the other side i can't help it you know but i see that i see that i see the floundering um and yeah i think that's kind of a major problem in this show right now Like, what are we doing? It's season five. It's episode 15. What are we doing? So Rachel's like, I mean, like, I'm sorry. What? Like, I walk into rooms every day where people don't know me. Like, what? Who? Like, I literally can be standing at a tree.

1:07:28Ronnie Karam: No one will see me, you know, because they're all like crying. And I'm like, oh, my God, who are they crying for? And I look at the gravestone and it says Rachel Zoe. And you know why? Because I'm dead.

1:07:38Ben Mandelker: I'm like dead because people don't like know who I am. they see me and they're like oh look there's like some vintage dior oh look vintage galliano but they don't see me and that's like i'm dead oh my god why is that chubby bald gay singing

1:07:53Ronnie Karam: wind beneath my wings oh right because it's my funeral and i'm dead

1:08:00Ben Mandelker: so um yeah because amanda's saying like guys you know how hard it is like he's like no one knows me so then uh boz is like amanda thinks she's the beyonce of business we don't know you i've never heard of you in my life uh so take down that wall mr gorbachev and let me see you that would be fantastic please stop calling me gorbachev i don't even know who that is please don't call me mr gorbachev in my own vineyard come on all right risa i don't know who that is either

1:08:33Ronnie Karam: So Amanda's like, I've tried to explain myself to these people. What do they want? Like, they just shut me down every single time, which is true. And, you know, Amanda, as someone who's not your friend, but also doesn't hate you, they're doing it because you're really annoying and you don't shut up about your money and your business. OK, that's why. So there's a very easy thing to take forward into the future. You're welcome.

1:08:54Ben Mandelker: And so Amanda's like, well, I just want you guys to understand me and my business. Like, yeah, but not all the time. Just talk about yourself. Talk about your babies. Don't talk about your business so much because all of us have business. Well, not me anymore. Mine's closed. I had a business once and I'm going to cry about it. I love Sutton telling Amanda not to talk about her business while she just somehow managed to turn her business into a sob story for herself two seconds earlier. Yeah. Hey, everyone. This is the end of part one of this recap. For part two, keep an eye on your podcast feed.

1:09:28Ben Mandelker: It is coming up in just a moment. Thanks so much for listening. Catch you on the second half.

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