


Episode topic: Ladies of London season 4 episode 5 centers on London driving lessons for American Micah, multiple rival parties (Emma’s “meerkat” themed hosting vs. Margo’s non-alcoholic wine tasting), and escalating conflict around Missy, Kimmy, and Margot, culminating in a manners/puppet-show showdown and fallout from a prior lunch argument. It also includes a gender reveal at Joshua’s Oxford estate (blueberry/vanilla custard plan; tarot suggests a boy) and Lottie’s pregnancy-related family context.
This episode is discussed by Watch What Crap Is hosts Evan Ross Katz, Lisa Kudrow, and Michael Patrick King; Kudrow reprises Valerie Cherish from HBO’s The Comeback (about Hollywood satire and AI-written TV). Additional cast voices mentioned include Laura Silverman, Ella Stiller, Abby Jacobson, and John Early.
Wealthy characters are “proudly out of touch” (refusing to drive, etiquette rules, disdain for “disgusting” habits like ketchup on eggs). Gender reveals are framed as increasingly popular in England via TikTok. Margot is portrayed as a manipulative “attention” strategist who “outmaneuvers” Kimmy.
Micah nearly crashes during a London driving lesson; puppet-show “manners” themes; Margo’s $60,000/month pastel house with dangerous staircases; Emma serves Aperol-based cakes; Kimmy and Margot trade insults over ketchup/eggs and “who told Missy what.”
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The hosts discuss the absurdity of driving in London from an American perspective.
“And then boom, you are you have a huge discount automatically because Apple will rob you.”
Micah struggles with driving in London while being hilariously oblivious.
“And now we find out what it's like to drive in London.”
The ladies discuss their preferences about ketchup and parenting, revealing their out-of-touch outlooks.
“It's just like asking if you have a driver.”
Missy prepares for her gender reveal while discussing cultural differences with Lottie and Margot.
“It's one of the most high pressure situations you can be in.”
The conversation shifts to parenting pressures and the role of nannies in their lives.
“Well, I thought he, of all people, might be into it.”
Explore the dynamics of rivalry and social status among the characters.
“Margo, she's like bragging all the time, you know, which they point out this episode, and it's really funny to see that now.”
Delve into the ongoing tension between Kimmy and Margo amidst friendship complexities.
“So, um, Kimmy's like, well, I actually went outside the other day and I said, Missy, listen, I apologize if I offended you.”
Follow the lighthearted and humorous moments at Joshua and Lottie's gender reveal party.
“I'm going to somehow get it wrong, and they're both going to turn on me, and I don't want any part of it, which is why in the next scene, you'll see me directly call Margot and tell her everything that Kimmy just said.”
Discuss Margo's expensive living situation and the challenges of parenting in her new home.
“I mean, I'm horrified because don't little boys wee-wee on you all the time?”
Examine the cooking segment and interpersonal conflicts among the characters.
“Martha, get your fucking self together before you're dead.”
Discussion about Emma's elegant yet complex personality and her role in the storyline.
“Looking into a mirror while looking into a mirror.”
Contrast between Emma's extravagant hosting and Margo's struggles with party preparation.
“But we know that they have to work so hard to keep these estates up.”
Description of the lively atmosphere at Emma's party and the chaos that ensues.
“and like canapes and little pastries and little like, you know, little adorable baked goods.”
Overview of Margo's quieter, alcohol-free gathering compared to Emma's party.
“They are like, this is an episode of puppets.”
Discussion about the importance of showing gratitude and the dynamics of gift-giving.
“A room, a house that's full of yellow and pink.”
Humorous anecdotes about Martha's bird and the social interactions among the guests.
“But at least now you have something an interesting story to tell people, right?”
Light-hearted critiques of Margo's fashion choices and style comparisons among characters.
“And then we see first Duke of Wellington defeated Napoleon at Waterloo.”
A comedic intervention regarding Kimmy's behavior amidst lively banter at the party.
“You said it was hideous out of your own damn mouth, Martha.”
Return to Margo's struggles with hosting as guests await their wine.
“having their like, they're like wine listed.”
The hosts express their excitement and discuss interpersonal tensions at dinner.
“We just know they're going to live together.”
Discussion about Margot's changes in demeanor and social reputation after her marriage.
“It's like, oh, so all the others have met up with us without us as well.”
Revealing conflicts arise among friends, showcasing Kimmy's tension with Margot.
“So we go to the other flat and Martha's like, how are you and Margot going to resolve this, Kimmy?”
The hosts discuss comparisons between Kimmy and dogs, as well as perceived behaviors.
“Marcos, that shouldn't make people worse.”
A light-hearted conversation about Micah's puppets and the meaning of kindness.
“If we're gonna do, like, a doggy comparison, I don't think that she's a Corgi.”
Kimmy and Missy navigate their misunderstandings, aiming for resolution.
“that man is cheating on you and he's leaving you.”
Explore the dynamics and revelations about Margot's character change.
“well, when it comes to Margot, I really think you guys should have a conversation.”
Learn about the concerns over friendships in reality shows and their impacts.
“I, I also, I hope that Margo, I'm sorry.”

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2:38Ronnie Karam: OK, now welcome to Ladies of London, season four, episode five. Martha in the middle.
2:45Ben Mandelker: Oh, Martha. God just want to say one more time. It's funny. I meant it like, oh, my God. But I said God as if I was addressing God. But I will address God. God, thank you for this show. This show's great. So we start with shots of traffic. And it's like, this is Dara. Except it says driving in London. And now we find out what it's like to drive in London. And Micah's like, I am a great driver in America. I am a horrible driver in the UK. By the way, I don't believe you're a great driver in America. I believe you drive slowly in the left lane.
3:19Ronnie Karam: I believe that as well. this is a nice change from the usual housewives teaching my teenager to drive and just watching an American try to drive instead. And it's pretty funny. And she's with a really low key driving instructor who's just like disgusted with her. She's like, yes, God. She's like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. I keep forgetting the doors on this side. Embarrassing. Awful. Die. Please die. How did we lose an entire war against you morons?
3:49Ben Mandelker: this instructor is so polite that she won't even give micah notes about anything she's doing wrong until afterwards like at one point micah nearly like crashes into something she's like oh my god i almost crashed into something she's like oh yes i was about to say you're about to crash it's like as the instructor you're supposed to say stop you know but i what i loved about this sequence and what i love about this show is that these people on this show just lean into being like wealthy and out of touch and they're like proud of it like they're like oh no driving no of course i don't drive disgusting you know whereas like if it was on the real housewives would be like i love to drive one of my favorite things to do is go to a store of grocery because i'm of the people and you're like no you're not but like you're they're like ew disgusting no put me in the back
4:37Ronnie Karam: seat so they're asking the ladies about their driving and they ask martha first and she's like of course I drive. I'm a terrible driver, but I'm a confident driver. And they show her little pinto, like coming down the street with like smoke blowing out the tailpipe, you know, like people ducking, thinking there's gunshots in the street. It's like, oh yeah, I'm terrible, but I'm confident. And Mark's like, oh no, you don't drive. You sit in the back seat. You make your phone calls. You do whatever it is you have to do. And then you get out. It's sounding like it's like pooping It's like oh god I can't believe I go through that human That human custom Every morning
5:22Ben Mandelker: Emma's like Well I take taxis and I walk And we have a driver to get to the Country obviously Like obviously I mean what are you talking about like obviously everyone has a driver To get to the country so
5:34Ronnie Karam: Darling even our rhinoceros has a driver
5:39Ben Mandelker: it's another rhinoceros which is lovely they keep themselves employed so back to my and nisha the
5:45Ronnie Karam: driver the driving instructor she's like um i've never gotten one speeding ticket in the united states of america but in london if i get one more i lose my license oh yeah you you need to stop back there oh my god is that like a stop section is that what all those yellow line means whoops
6:03Ben Mandelker: she says i mean they're real sticklers here with their rules and their etiquette in there i mean the brits i mean wow i'm like no they probably just know that you're an american driver and are going to give you a lot of tickets they're probably targeting you just to get you off the road like oh god we don't need another american with their driving on the left the right side of the road bullshit give them give them enough tickets so they're not legally allowed to do
6:24Ronnie Karam: this in this country red lights mean green she's like oh gotta so um i thought love she's trying to do a 20 point turn and the instructor's like you don't want to hit the pavement could i get a ticket for hitting the pavement technically no but it is considered disgusting so now we go to a fish and chips restaurant where uh micah martha and kimmy are meeting
6:53Ben Mandelker: and um and micah's like uh they're looking at some ketchup there's some ketchup on the table Michael's like, do you guys put ketchup on eggs? They both go, no!
7:05Ronnie Karam: It's just so weird.
7:07Ben Mandelker: It's just like asking if you have a driver.
7:09Ronnie Karam: The whole conversation's weird. They sit down and Kimmy's like, oh, I love ketchup. I just love it. I'll put ketchup on things. How about ketchup on my ride? Yeah, she tries to open it up. She's like, do you put it on your eggs? And I'm like, oh, God.
7:25Ben Mandelker: No, disgusting. Disgusting. That's like asking to put ketchup in your blog to blog. Ooh, whatever.
7:31Ronnie Karam: So, what have you been up to? Well, I feel really tired today. Martha's just like, do you? Yeah, really tired, you guys. My three-year-old woke up four times in the night. It's like one of those. Oh, three is such a difficult age. So, you wake up with your children? Why are you living in the same apartment as your children? Disgusting behavior.
7:52Ben Mandelker: I just want to say, if I ever say three is such a difficult age, it's because I'm just giving you a generic response to your already very boring story about your children.
8:03Ronnie Karam: More blanc de blanc, please. I mean, there's so much pressure being an etiquette instructor and having children. Oh, my God. I can't. I can't with her strife of being an etiquette teacher in Britain. It's so embarrassing. It's so embarrassing. Why don't you go teach Greek people how to make souvlaki? I mean.
8:22Ben Mandelker: You don't understand. It's one of the most high pressure situations you can be in. To be an etiquette instructor and to have children. People think I have these perfect little beings that like don't speak and are like just wonderful. You know, all the British etiquette instructors are like, well, yes, that's how you do it. He's like, but I can't. I don't know how to do it. Like I have all the same issues as every other mom in America has. The key is mom in America. Right, child? See, no response. in improv you know in in britain we this is how we do our improv yes notice there's no and
9:00Ronnie Karam: well etiquette is really about treating everyone around you with kindness and respect and thinking of other people first i don't know do i need to open the definition and uh michael's like guys well i've been working on get this it's a tv show and it involves wait for it puppets and just kimmy's face is just like her lip droops more than usual so puppets
9:28Ben Mandelker: do you put mayonnaise on the puppet because let me tell you something if the puppet doesn't have mayonnaise on it i'm not gonna fuck it so we see micah doing her puppet show thing on the set
9:39Ronnie Karam: and um she's asking her daughter she's like do you want to hear my voice for jipper it's like this hello my name is chipper and it just cuts to the daughter looking at her like oh mommy don't you're terrible at this because of course she's raising british children now yes she's like oh you're disgusting still putting ketchups on your eggs are we mommy this is quite american of
10:03Ben Mandelker: you could you please stop so then michael's like yeah so every episode has a different theme one One theme is how to give walkie-talkies to someone. Another is how to react when that person calls you cringe. It's a huge undertaking, and we've been working on it for years, years and years. You know, Kimmy's like, wow, so you've been working on a pop-it show for years. Wow, okay, I don't really... I'm not often at a loss for words, but I think here I really don't know what to say, so I'll just say, oh, that's a good idea for someone.
10:35Ronnie Karam: Would it be wrong to say that I would much prefer hearing about someone's brother getting shot 10 times on the street than listening to this. Yeah, now this is not so bad. So, did you guys have fun yesterday? Yes, I had a great time. Oh, it was so much fun. Thank you. And they're talking about the model naked painting ceremony thing. And Martha's like, yes, I think Mark was a little surprised to see a penis there, a little willy. I was surprised when he started painting a hydrangea.
11:10Ben Mandelker: But to be fair for him, it was a really nice hydrangea. It was a really nice hydrangea.
11:17Ronnie Karam: It was a nice hydrangea.
11:19Ben Mandelker: Yes, it was really nice. Well, I thought he, of all people, might be into it. Yeah, well, I think that, you know, I thought he and Lottie were a bit shy. It's like, oh, yes, they were. And I mean, like, she's pregnant, so you know how pregnant women are. Disgusting, right? Well, I was going to say I don't judge pregnant women because they're in a whole different ballgame. As in, they're not getting a lot of balls in them, are they? You just did a Kimmy joke. Yes, I did.
11:48Ronnie Karam: So then we go to Missy's apartment, and she's got all these baked goods set out, and Lottie and Margot are coming over. And Lottie's getting hot. She's like, are you getting, Missy says, what are you getting, thrush? And she's like, flush, flush. Thrush is something else. Oh, none of that now. I'm done with that, girls. So she's getting her nails done for her gender reveal party. And she's like, gender reveals are definitely more of an American thing, but they're becoming more popular in England because of, you know, TikTok culture. And so everyone wants to have something to show, don't they? It's not every day you marry moaning myrtle.
12:30Ben Mandelker: Just want to say to England, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. We don't like the gender reveals here in America either. And I appreciate you trying to have like a moment of cross cultural understanding or appreciation or participation. You don't have to do this. You don't. You don't. Please, please don't do the gender reveals.
12:51Ronnie Karam: Is TikTok culture even a thing? I was watching. I mean, still, because I know it is a thing, but I was watching Secret Lives of Mormon Wives the other day. I just started season four. And now the dads are doing their like dad talk. It's a serious business. And so half the episode is the guys being like dad talk. We got to talk about dad talk business because women don't own TikTok. I'm like, oh, yes, they fucking you better get your ass off this TikTok. I'm never watching this again. They couldn't get me to delete TikTok with all of this that they've been saying. Like, they're stealing your information.
13:22Ronnie Karam: They're, you know, they're making AI videos out of your face or whatever the fuck they've been telling us for the past four years. But now I'm gone. I'm deleting that shit. If I have to be subjected to dad talk, I'm out of here. TikTok culture is dead.
13:33Ben Mandelker: Not about that. That show has jumped the shark, it sounds like. so Missy is like oh so Lottie are you guys not going to have any help with the baby she's like well I don't know I haven't booked any help you know but like are you saying do you recommend help or you just after not having help or just are you just recommending she's like no yeah with my son River I actually never had help but I did it mostly myself see I want to do that but I know it's unrealistic between you know Tim Burton's suit making and just being quiet it's difficult to have time to raise a child.
14:08Ronnie Karam: Well, I had full-time help. I had three nannies 24-7. Margo, she's like bragging all the time, you know, which they point out this episode, and it's really funny to see that now. She's like, yeah, I had full-time help, like constant help. They were always there. I mean, they're right there. I'm not even sitting on a chair. I'm sitting on some help. Thank you. Thank you. I'm ready.
14:27Ben Mandelker: I certainly didn't grow up with butlers and night nurses and things. My mom had four kids and did it all on her own. the only assistant she had was a very aggressive set of bangs.
14:40Ronnie Karam: Well, you and Kimmy, you're like on good terms now, Missy? And she's like, oh, yeah, I mean, well, I'm not on good. You know, I don't know where we stand because she had, you know, she kind of said sorry, not sorry, kind of. And so we flash back to Kim being like, well, I don't think it's cool to tell me that I can't say that I don't want to sit at a lunch that's very dark. And I apologise if that hurts your feelings, but that's just who I am.
15:05Ben Mandelker: so missy was unsatisfied with this and so now we go back to the other lunch by the way this entire episode is like rival meals and it's basically like the cool fun people and the boring people and by boring there's actually no boring people on the show which is amazing but we know like there's a group that we like and it's the group that's like they're like the lame
15:25Ronnie Karam: people right there's like the rich english people and then there are the american transplants who were just like desperate for any kind of reality star fame you know and missy and missy it's time
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17:28Ben Mandelker: So, um, Kimmy's like, well, I actually went outside the other day and I said, Missy, listen, I apologize if I offended you. I didn't mean to offend you and your stupid druggie brother, but, you know, it's just who I am. She's like, well, oh, Mike is like, well, I'm so glad you said that. Yeah, I mean, who I do have a problem now is fucking Margo, right? But you say everything to people's faces. She didn't know it was a secret. Yeah, but obviously it upset the girl. Like, she's actually repeated something and made it into something way bigger than it is. Well, I said, okay, a druggy got murdered, blah, blah, blah.
18:01Ben Mandelker: Who hasn't been murdered? Am I right? She earned a whole big thing, and it wasn't necessary. So if anybody fucking hurt Missy, it was Margo.
18:12Ronnie Karam: Margo does not give a flying fuck about Missy, okay? Or what happened to Missy? Margo just wants to make a scene. and Kimmy's like I don't trust her I don't trust the bitch Michael's like um you know Margot very very well Martha so and you know Kimmy very very well and knowing both lions in this fight how would you say it's like well I think this is going to go down to the wire man I mean they'll end up wrestling I could I could try and peace keep but I don't think it's going to work so I've both given them knives and keys to my apartment and I said do what you will ladies whoever emerges with the
18:51Ben Mandelker: most eyeballs intact spins. Listen, if I get involved, I'm going to somehow get it wrong, and they're both going to turn on me, and I don't want any part of it, which is why in the next scene, you'll see me directly call Margot and tell her everything that Kimmy just said.
19:04Ronnie Karam: Well, I'm not going to turn on you. I'm not a PC person. I'm not a polite person, but I am a loyal person, and anything I say, I'm a girl's girl. I have no tolerance for that, and now she's on my shit list. She's on my shit list, and she's a fox.
19:22Ben Mandelker: she's fucked
19:25Ronnie Karam: I loved it now we go over to she just gets so dramatic it's hilarious she started off the scene by going like tell me about your puppet business and by the end she's like oh yeah she can fuck herself and she's fucked
19:39Ben Mandelker: she really did I mean actually technically she started the scene saying listen if a guy doesn't eat and doesn't eat mayonnaise I'm out of the date in seven minutes I mean vegan
19:49Ronnie Karam: what is a vegan exactly I'm not going to talk to a vegan I mean they can probably keep their penis hard for about 30 seconds now we go to Oxford
20:01Ben Mandelker: and we're at Joshua's family estate and it's the gender reveal party that they're doing and what's so funny is that like you know Joshua and Lottie I actually really love them normally I feel like on a different show I'd be like ugh these would be like the pretentious Alex and Simon McCords but I do really like them and I love their the suits are amazing they're just so perfectly tailored and I love that he also clearly made suits for his mom and his sister or his aunt or whoever it was because his mom has the same sort of shiny material fitted suit with the pointy lapels and everything so I love that he just keeps making blazers for people and this is the gender reveal and Lottie's done some tarot cards and the tarot cards say that she's having a boy but will she have a boy
20:50Ronnie Karam: What will happen to the ascendancy? So Josh was like, well, I would hug you, but I don't want to touch you because you're so, so white. You know, with the gender reveal, there's some things that we sort of walk down the more traditional line. I think making it a celebration makes it even more special, which is why we're having a celebration for a gender reveal. hashtag TikTok culture
21:17Ben Mandelker: so Lottie tells us that also one of the reasons why they're doing this is because her dad has been ill and I believe they show a card at the end of the episode which I believe was her dad that shows that he sadly passed you know probably fairly recently and we see her with her dad and she says that her dad was a CEO and she's just trying to spend as much time as she can with him together so they do the reveal and they slice into the cake and she's like everyone if it's a boy it should be a blueberry cake with vanilla custard and um herbal tea crunchies as well as another layer of of blueberry jam and a compote of vanilla and if it's a girl it's going to be raspberry compote with vanilla sponge with a with speckles of more raspberry i'm like okay just like cutting the cake we'll see the colors and Joshua is just like
22:12Ronnie Karam: alright master chef and they cut into it and it's a boy guys and I had this vision of dresses and tiaras and things like that and I now have these visions of mini suits oh yes the mini suits
22:28Ben Mandelker: are definitely coming mini suits they're going to wake up in the middle of the night and be like mini suits, mini suits, mini suits this is going to be the best dress this baby is going to be a suit for life is going to show up at daycare in a shiny form-fitting suit with lapels that stick up to its shoulders, and a little top hat and a mustache.
22:50Ronnie Karam: Lottie's like, but if it's the little boy, I mean, I'm horrified because don't little boys wee-wee on you all the time? And he's like, well, I'm pretty sure that's not sexually ambiguous. I think girls wee as well, darling. No, no, it's the willy. And also, it's really weird that I've got a willy growing inside of me now. Hee-hee-hee-hee-hee-hee-hee-hee-hee.
23:10Ben Mandelker: So now we go to Margo's new house. That's a weirdo. They're so strange. So we go to Margo's new house and she's bringing her daughter, Della, into the house. And it's this like multicolor sort of pastel-y house with like yellows and pinks. And we find out, by the way, that this house is$60 ,000 per month. I mean, at that point, you could just buy something, I think. Like that is so much to spend on rent. Clearly it's, she's renting it for two months. It's probably a short term rental that she's renting for this show. Cause I cannot imagine a world where you just sort of open-endedly spend $60 ,000 a month on rent.
23:56Ben Mandelker: That's crazy.
23:59Ronnie Karam: Yeah. She's like, when I go into a space, I like bring my sage and my Palo Santo and stuff. But like, this has a vibe. like it has these really bright like warm colors and everything has been thought out like we doubled our budget but you know everything's perfect and i'm rich i'm rich as fuck so she has to walk up 40 steps to get to the second floor i mean and then there's a staircase to the next floor and that's the thing i don't get 60 000 a month to walk up 90 000 steps no this
24:27Ben Mandelker: entire scene was her just walking up staircases it was just like going up up up up up i mean she could have been in k-pop demon hunters so she's like small child i mean this is going to be a lot
24:37Ronnie Karam: of bruises a lot of bruises and broken bones i predict and that kid's bedroom is at the top of
24:43Ben Mandelker: the 15th staircase like the doorway opens up to the staircase that kid is going to be tumbling down the stairs it'll be like a 100 with a child you know this was not thought this was not like a
24:56Ronnie Karam: child safety house but you know she looks really rich in it so that's what's important so uh she calls martha and she's like well i was thinking because it's like so hot and sunny we could like take advantage of my garden and want to come over a lady who's probably going to be living in something that looks a lot like a garden pretty soon i'd love to darling but i've got plans with
25:15Ben Mandelker: emma sorry you're doing british things apologies she's like oh okay well i'm sure it'll be all good vibes by the way um how are you after that drawing class and she's like oh i'm okay but i did it with kimmy and micah yesterday and kimmy says that you're a snake in the grass and i said oh perfect can i adopt it and put it in my apartment well you did kind of go tell missy
25:38Ronnie Karam: something that she didn't need to know darling no no that's the difference she did need to know that's the whole difference because she said very clearly i want to know things i really care about that. So, like, I told her things. Like, that's what friends do, Martha. Martha, get your fucking self together before you're dead.
25:56Ben Mandelker: I think that when Missy said I want to know things, she meant more like how does a doorknob work? Or how do I cook this in the microwave? I don't think she wanted to know things like that. Okay? She's like, well, she's mad at me for telling Missy.
26:07Ronnie Karam: Why is white wine yellow? You know, things like that, darling.
26:12Ben Mandelker: And I would like to know that too as well, by the way. Also, why is the water that comes out of my faucet yellow. Is it wine? Can I drink it? Where are my keys?
26:23Ronnie Karam: Oh my god, she's mad at me for telling Missy? Are we in middle school? Like, how did I get this wrong? How's this my problem, Kimmy? Well, I don't think that either of you are right in this situation. I think you're both wrong and horrible right now. Both of you are horrible, horrible people.
26:39Ben Mandelker: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You think I'm being horrible to Kimmy, Martha? Are you serious? You know I'm an actress, right? Like, no, you're, like, that gives me a certain degree of respect. And are you like just trying to like, you know, say anything to get out of the line of fire? It's like, well, I'm stuck in the line of fire and I don't want to be. It's like, well, you can love someone who's wrong. It's like, well, she can be really tough because she's had, she's had to be really tough. But I also know that there is a heart of gold in there and she's a lioness and she will fight for her friends.
27:08Ronnie Karam: Well, she better roar and show up because right now she's just looking like a
27:12Ben Mandelker: bitch. Kim, you probably watched that. I was like, well, thank you. That was the point.
27:20Ronnie Karam: So now we go to Emma's London flat, and she's creaming pastries. She's like, she's a good homemaker. And she's like, I love cooking. I genuinely love it. I learned it from my mom, and I had lessons in London. I've never worked in a restaurant, but I have written for magazines, recipes. I've had television shows. The television show called Emma's Kitchen. Here it is. We see Emma's Kitchen. She's like, I learned from my mom and I had lessons in London. I never worked in a restaurant, but I did write in magazines, TV shows. Here's the TV show. It's me, Emma, in Emma's kitchen. I've learned from my mom.
28:00Ronnie Karam: And then I had lessons in London. It's a loop. Get me out. I know. Get me out of this loop.
28:07Ben Mandelker: Someone reset the robot.
28:09Ronnie Karam: I love that there's like headlines. Looking into a mirror while looking into a mirror.
28:13Ben Mandelker: It's so funny. I actually, I love Emma and I don't know why, because she's actually kind of boring, but I actually really, because she's so elegant and like, she's one of those people that's just like glamorous that you're like, I'm like, oh, it's fine. But she's also one of these people that like cooks all the stuff, but she's also like a toothpick. And I'm like, lady. So then I like that. Cooking is hot eating.
28:32Ronnie Karam: But I love her because, you know, I love her personality. She's so chill, but she can also be bitchy, which you can see that kind of seating. And I also love because we know where the storyline is going because we saw Julie and her sandwich, her sandwich Earl or whatever, and how rich they are. But we know that they have to work so hard to keep these estates up. Like these estates are not just paid for. They have to come up with money to keep these things running, which is why they've made it into a zoo and why she's trying to do. So I love that there's desperation there right under the surface.
29:01Ronnie Karam: And right now she's too cool to show any of it. You know, we don't see any of it, but you know, it's coming.
29:07Ben Mandelker: and I also love they show some headlines to show that she has actually like a unknown cooking thing and so there's a headline that goes meerkats, meringues and mining the recipe archives, lady Weymouth on her plans for a new era at Longleat I'm like is she making is she cooking meerkats? Here's my meerkat meringue cake
29:36Ben Mandelker: sure that's exactly what she wanted next to her cooking meerkats and meringues
29:42Ronnie Karam: i mean for the juxtaposition we cut to margo's house where she's just like cutting shit out of a bag i'm just like oh god this is like so hard this is like so hard to host things even
29:52Ben Mandelker: when you get stuff from other places hosting is hard so emma meanwhile has put out like a billion and like canapes and little pastries and little like, you know, little adorable baked goods. She's like, I've thrown lots and lots of parties over the years, mainly for meerkats. That's why it's called meerkat manor. Someone had to feed them.
30:15Ronnie Karam: Oh my God. I came up with an idea. I'm going to teach meerkat manners.
30:23Ben Mandelker: And I'll feed them. Yes. We had lots of dinner parties. I've done dinners by the lake when hippos came back to look at us. I've done dinners at the funerals for the people who were killed by the hippos. And I've had dinners for Diana Ross, who was singing on top of a hippo. Really, anything that involves a hippo, I've catered to it.
30:39Ronnie Karam: So Mark and Kimmy come, and they're like, oh my god, is this a home or a castle? Oh, wow. Here we are, while bitch on wheels are riding them around. Got me one, blah, blah, blah, please.
30:54Ben Mandelker: Jake, I'm making all this noise. They make so much noise. That's the best way to put it. They come in making so much noise, like laughy noise. They are like, this is an episode of puppets. These are like real life puppets coming in. And it's hilarious that later on they get compared to Muppets. But like they come in and Emma's like, oh, well, these cakes are made from Aperol. Oh, well, they're beautiful, Emma. Well, of course she knows. Well, of course there's alcohol in them, darling. Well, I knew my audience. Are you joking? Of course I knew. So they're just like.
31:25Ronnie Karam: When I used to go to Longleat, before Emma showed up, we had to drink wine out of a shitty box. The seats stunk. The mattresses were old. Emma showed up and I was like, oh, there's towels here now. I mean, she's like the best thing ever.
31:44Ben Mandelker: So we have this already very raucous party that is just like, they walk in and they're already laughing and having fun. And then we go to Margo's and it's like very pretty. it's very quiet missy shows up and she's like oh this is beautiful look at this i love all the colors it's so nice oh my god i would just be like take a picture of me here now take a picture of me here now take a picture of me here it's so nice and missy's like and margo's like thank you so much for coming we're gonna do a non-alcoholic wine tasting and even missy's like uh okay
32:16Ronnie Karam: then i'm not gonna she goes yeah we're gonna try all of them yeah where's my wine so um marco's like well i mean the wine tastes like booze guys and so they they taste it like delicious wow okay
32:29Ben Mandelker: can we have some wine please wine one please mine anything so um they're like just lottie shows up and she's like, oh, look. A room, a house that's full of yellow and pink. How non-traditional. I am a surprise traditionalist. So they're congratulating her on the gender reveal and everything and it's very nice and Micah has come by and Micah shows up and she brings a little shirt, a little hostess gift for Margot. It's a sweatshirt for Della that says, mind your manners, adorable lord.
33:07Ronnie Karam: It's like hosting is hard. Like it's a lot of work. And I think it's so important to show gratitude for being invited. And it can just be the tiniest little thing to just be like, I was thinking about you. Thank you. And that's why I bring guests. But when you give them, you have to say it like this. I got you a gift, Margo! Like that, Margo?
33:24Ben Mandelker: Margo's like, oh God, please just sit down. So we go back over to Emma's flat while everyone else at Margo's is just like waiting for their wine, their real wine. And Emma's just giving out booze to everyone. And Martha says, oh, there's a tree in my tree. Oh! And Kimmy's like, well, so what have you been up to, darling? Martha, how's your crazy bird? Oh, she's fabulous. Picked out the mailman's eyeball. And I said, well, I apologize. But at least now you have something an interesting story to tell people, right?
33:52Ronnie Karam: Oh, God, you know that her bird, you have to wear goggles when you go in the house. And we see a flashback of Kimmy going to the house. And Martha's like, oh, darling, Hakate. Oh, the champagne Would you like some Megate? Oh, Kimmy, would you like to wear some goggles Just in case the bird comes onto your shoulder And tries to pack out your eyes And Kimmy just stares at her With her mouth open, her teeth fleeting She's just like The fuck The reason why Martha likes Margo
34:24Ben Mandelker: Is because it's like her bird Just when you think you're not wearing goggles The moment that you're not wearing your goggles It picks her eyeballs out
34:33Ronnie Karam: Oh, stop it But they're exactly the same. She's just like a Connie. If to fucking dare you, coming from you. You know what? Kimmy's pissed off because Margot outmaneuvered her. That's what happened. And Mark's like, ooh.
34:49Ben Mandelker: Outmaneuvered me? She's embarrassing. No, she was trying to apologize to Missy. And Margot sat on the other side. She had to go left to right, left to right, left to right, left to right. And then Kimmy had to turn side to side. That's a lot of work for her. She's like, no, no, no. Margot just wanted attention. and that's why she wears her shirts up to here all right by the way it was so funny that she's talking about how like like oh wow look at how scandalous margo is look at how look at how like revealing her outfits are i mean while emma's sitting there like her entire like belly button is out and emma's looking at her like um hello oh she outmaneuvered you darling it was a genius
35:25Ronnie Karam: maneuver and now you look furious simply furious oh she looks so dumb i'm i'm not i'm not i'm not You know what, I'm laughing at her. That's what I'm doing. I'm laughing at her. What? Oh, well, Martha was like Wellington. She was genius. And then we see first Duke of Wellington defeated Napoleon at Waterloo. And you're cross about that because you don't want to apologize. Well, well, well. Apologize to Waterloo, darling, because you lost this one.
35:56Ben Mandelker: Oh, she was just clamoring for attention. Oh, but she's not just clamming for attention. She's Wellington. Yeah, she is. That's why she wears tight velour jumpsuits. She has bad style. Really bad style. No, she fucking does not. Hideous. She's so tacky.
36:13Ronnie Karam: She's one of the most stylish women in the world. Oh, my God. You're the first one that said the outfits weren't hideous. Remember, you're the first one who said that they were hideous. Do you remember that at the party? You said it was hideous out of your own damn mouth, Martha.
36:28Ben Mandelker: Well, the jumpsuit I didn't like. She's perfect apart from a jumpsuit. And, well, she did seem to wear a whole bunch of trash bags sewn together when she visited me at the warehouse. But, yeah, the jumpsuit was terrible. And we see this Margo in this, like, velour jumpsuit. And Martha goes up to her and just goes, I don't like this. I don't like the jumpsuit.
36:52Ronnie Karam: Well, look, she's been in L.A. where people just wear Lululemon. Well, she's... Mark goes, well, she's not in L.A. anymore. Well, there's a lot of chic people in L.A. Margot's just not one of them.
37:06Ben Mandelker: Okay, okay. Just stop it. Stop it. Just stop it. It's like, well, I'm sorry. Don't harm you. Just stop it. Emma's like, my neck is itchy because of all this. So Emma's like, this is Kimmy's version of an intervention, which is quite aggressive. Ooh, ultimately, Kimmy's a very fair person, and she will always see things objectively.
37:25Ronnie Karam: Kimmy should be a top barrister. It's a real shame she got a trust fund because she's wasted not being in law. Barrister means lawyer. Oh, well, I have an allergic reaction to all of these girls. Oh, I generally love this girl. Don't worry, I genuinely love her. Okay, well, you might love her, but let's not sit here and pretend it isn't what it is. I mean, the girl dresses like a trash bag.
37:50Ben Mandelker: Well, all they're doing is slagging off Margot's clothes, which is progress. Margot is wearing clothes. She wasn't the last time she was in London. Shut up. Commercials. Here comes one right now.
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41:10Ben Mandelker: So we go back to Emma's house and they're having like burrata and fish it's just like lovely and fabulous and Emma's like Emma's giving a fish it's like look I gave you a long thin one she's like I don't want that oh she likes them short and fat so Kimmy's like well you know what this arse
41:32Ronnie Karam: wasn't built for nothing anything she can get in her mouth will do so Emma's offering more drinks and Kimmy's like, of course I want another drink. Of course I do. I need it. You don't need it. You just prefer it. Oh, no, I need it.
41:50Ben Mandelker: They're literally just bantering. I love that we are just watching them banter and crack each other up. I am dying. I'm like, this is the best show ever. So Martha's like, ah, by the way, Kimmy, I don't like you tonight. Just FYI. Pardon? I don't like you at all tonight. You're being a bitch. Well, I'm always a bitch.
42:11Ronnie Karam: At least I'm consistent. But why are you being a bitch?
42:17Ben Mandelker: We're out of control. We're so excited. We just know they're going to live together. Go ahead. We're so excited by this show. It's so good.
42:27Ronnie Karam: So funny. They're ridiculous. So she's like, yeah, well, why are you being a bitch? Well, at least there's no surprises with me. She's absolutely not sorry. But you are being a cow. Why are you being a cow? What's happening at home? Oh, God, nothing's happening at home. I just got a beautifully terrible vase by my child, threw it against a wall. My ex-husband gave me some lip. I mean, it's just a fabulous time, actually. Thank you for asking.
42:54Ben Mandelker: But I made my signature clams in a pan, and everyone's happy. So no problems over here. Mark goes, lavashvold, which stands for the mad cow. Everything's all right. Back to Margo's house. Margot's like, by the way, I want to hear this conversation at the other dinner. It's like, oh, so all the others have met up with us without us as well. So I'm the only British person who gets stuck with the non-Brits at the boring wine this dinner. Because, oh, one thing we did not mention is that when Margot finally did bring out the wine, she brought like a travel-sized bottle of like rosé, like Miraval rosé.
43:30Ben Mandelker: Like teeny tiny bottle. And they're like, what the fuck? We're in London, lady. Give us a full-sized bottle. Oh.
43:36Ronnie Karam: well so everyone's met up without us as well but i have an accent but you don't have the lineage darling darling darling well i guess never should have admitted that you didn't have night nurses well i'll tell you this kimmy was uh you said that kimmy was on the wall path for you and margo's like oh yeah micah were you there with micah with martha and kimmy and she's like um yes well what happened then um well um um um did martha tell you anything yet i mean she clearly did because you know well she said that you know well i saw kimmy and she's like gunning for you like and i was like excuse me that's french french why for you she's like and miss is like
44:19Ben Mandelker: yeah why it's like you fucking bitch margo's like yeah fucking bitch right what happened And so Micah's like, well, so Kimmy sort of said, well, she doesn't like ketchup on eggs, first and foremost. So let's get that one out of the way. And she just was like upset about that conversation in the car. I've never been so uncomfortable. Oh, my God. And Margot's like, well, maybe Kimmy should never speak to me again.
44:41Ronnie Karam: Well, that's a bit tricky for Martha then to be in the middle, you know. So we go to the other flat and Martha's like, how are you and Margot going to resolve this, Kimmy? Oh, God, I don't know. I mean, I don't actually have something against Margot. I mean, she's just everything I didn't expect. You know, I mean, I perfectly like the woman. She's just a stupid slut dresser.
45:04Ben Mandelker: Hello. Shall I taste, shall I tell you all something? It's serious. I'm going to lower my chin into my clavicle. A friend of mine, a friend of mine who's known Margot for about a decade, hasn't seen her for some time, sees her again at the carton party and tells me she's unrecognizable.
45:24Ronnie Karam: Well, there you go. There you go. Exactly what I was saying.
45:29Ben Mandelker: In terms of her manner, demeanor.
45:33Ronnie Karam: What I've been told is that reportedly since her marriage, Margot has become an absolute diva. She's vain. She's narcissistic. She's obsessed with money. And she has become insufferable. and it's all about her all the time. And now I don't know whether this is true, but it certainly comes across as being quite likely. And then we see a montage of Margot just being like, these are Japanese past designer, okay? And I'm wearing vintage Westwood boots and a vintage La Croix skirt, everybody.
46:07Ben Mandelker: I'm obsessed with Mark just being in some other production that takes place in 1905 London. And what I've heard is that her demeanor is terrible. Oh, she's become absolutely obsessed with money. She's terrible. She's fallen out of good society. Like, what show is he in? I've never heard that.
46:26Ronnie Karam: I know. And I've never heard of that from people who just got money. He's just saying she's new money, but he's making it so scandalous. Like, oh, completely unrecognizable.
46:36Ben Mandelker: She walked in and they said, who is this new specimen in front of us? Martha goes, well, she just got silver. We wouldn't know about that, Kimmy. Marcos, that shouldn't make people worse. But no, she's not worse. She's amazing. Well, I'm telling you right now, Margo will fuck you over. She's on my shit now. So Emma is, Emma's just watching and she's like, well, I've never seen these two have a spat. I see them as a double R, twiddle-dum, twiddle-dee. They're a bit like those stupid American Muppets that sit in the theater, you know, the two old men. And we see like Martha and Kimmy just sitting at the table with both their like sort of like their kind of bobs their curly kind of bobs just sitting talking at each other and they are so two Muppets and like I wouldn't say that they're Waldorf and Stadler but they are it is still kind of like a perfect comparison.
47:28Ronnie Karam: Well it's perfect for us because we are those two Muppets and so to be compared like to see that and then like have the triangle it was funny. I was like aww I love this show even more. So Kimmy's like you mark my words she's gonna fuck you over Martha. Well, Margaret and I have been friends for 20 years. She's never fucked me over yet. Well, guess what? She already did. No, she didn't. Okay, well, then I'm not your friend. I'm not your friend, then.
47:55Ben Mandelker: But back at the other dinner, Lottie's saying, Kimmy always says whatever she wants she's going to say to your face. So why is she so upset that they've been said to her face? The problem is, like, what Kimmy said and the way she spoke to both of you is not okay. And the aggression was just a bit too much. I don't find that appropriate Because I'm a traditionalist So
48:16Ronnie Karam: Micah's like well the next time you see Kimmy What do you think I mean how do you think you're going to approach a situation Don't say anything about me please I have a Muppet show please please
48:25Ben Mandelker: Well if she wants to talk to me She'll come to me but I'm not going to approach her It's like okay Well I look forward to seeing that awkward moment No you won't because we're going to squash it By the end of the episode and the next scene
48:36Ronnie Karam: Well I don't have a problem with Kimmy And if Kimmy wants to bark at me like some deranged Corgi, then she just will, you know what I mean? I mean, like, I don't know. A Corgi, right? Isn't she a Corgi, you guys?
48:48Ben Mandelker: She's not a Corgi. I'm sorry. That's not the... If we're gonna do, like, a doggy comparison, I don't think that she's a Corgi. I don't know what she is. What would you say? I don't know if my dog reads well enough, but I just don't see Kimmy as being a Corgi. I could see her maybe being, like, a Maltese. You know? Okay. They sort of have that fancy kind of, like, vibe.
49:11Ronnie Karam: What's like a drunk fancy dog? I'm going to look it up. Drunk fancy dog.
49:18Ben Mandelker: Oh, like maybe... And by the way, yes, we understand it's problematic to compare women to dogs, but in this case, Margo introduced the comparison, and we just want to make sure that her comparison just wasn't good enough for me in terms of it wasn't a high-quality comparison. Well, there's a bulldog.
49:36Ronnie Karam: That's cute. There's a drunk bulldog on here okay so then we go to um emma's party and kimmy's like well i mean if someone stopped you in the back i would have defended you but i did defend you no you didn't no you didn't martha
49:50Ben Mandelker: i said that's i said that's kimmy you said well you're still defending her martha's like i feel like kimmy needs defending if if i feel like kimmy needs defending i will defend her if i feel like she is right well i hate i i hate you so much right now and as as much as I understand how this arose. I don't think she's right.
50:10Ronnie Karam: Where's your loyalty, Martha? Where's your loyalty? So then we go to a film studio and Micah is doing a thing, a manners video with her puppets. Oh my god, these puppets. It's like, I would love to teach adults how to be kind. And then we cut to Kimmy bringing up, Dara, I heard your friend is a manom.
50:33Ben Mandelker: Yeah. You know, many manners is something that I see. It's just, it's so important, you know, to teach the next generation kindness is what I would love to be my life's work. Sorry, bitch. TikTok culture is here. It's all about printer reveals and public shaming. Good luck with your puppets.
50:51Ronnie Karam: Yeah, and she's just like, oh my God, my husband's never in town, but you know, I'm sure he's going to rectify that soon. But in the meantime, I'm going to get this puppet show off the ground. It's going to be great. I'm sure my husband loves it. And meanwhile, I think all of us are thinking that man is cheating on you and he's leaving you. So I hope this puppet show works out because this man is cheating. Yeah.
51:13Ben Mandelker: That thing, that felt thing hanging off your assistant's arm right now is going to be your new husband very soon. Yeah.
51:19Ronnie Karam: So I hope it goes well. So now we go to a restaurant with Kimmy and she comes in. She's like, Hello, so far, thank you.
51:30Ben Mandelker: So Missy comes in. She's like, oh, you know, Kimmy, she dresses so lovely and I really want to hate her and I want to be like fuck you bitch but she's wearing an amazing bag and she's staring at me and I'm like I fucking hate you but I love your bag because Kimmy's bag is there it's like the sun is like shining on it's like
51:49Ronnie Karam: well I'm really happy you actually wanted to meet Kimmy well I thought we should have a chat because I feel like something that was so unintentionally you know like sad because it was like magnified into this huge thing
52:03Ben Mandelker: well I mean from my point I feel like we did have like a really nice day We had a very nice day Until some Debbie Downer ruined it Oh that was you, sorry So Missy's like, but when we sat down I felt like I wanted to get to know people Well when I did say something about it in the car I didn't say it in a way that was like Something very negative towards you I just said, oh, I read about this And blah blah blah Brother got killed Big deal, whose brother hasn't been killed Am I right? But it was like nothing mean
52:32Ronnie Karam: I mean, what's mean about saying
52:34Ben Mandelker: who cares who cares about a murder like what else is new right but i felt really sad and
52:42Ronnie Karam: disrespected and then when i tried to talk to you the other day well i was trying to talk to you but then i had margot coming to my side like a barking dog in the back
52:52Ben Mandelker: so we see um more of that fight where kimmy is like let me tell you something missy there was no making fun. And, Margot, is that what you said? And expect you to go back like a fucking hypocrite? And Margot's like, that's not what hypocrite means. Go to fucking college.
53:12Ronnie Karam: Well, okay. I think it was really strong of her to stand up. Oh, well, that's not standing up. I think that's causing friction between people that was non-existent. But I feel like you didn't value my feelings. Well, I didn't mean it in an intentional way to say something nugget of about your experience. Well, but you said I did it for attention. Well, I, okay, well, I did. I mean, I kind of felt like that a little bit. Okay, I did say that. I did say that.
53:37Ben Mandelker: It was actually quite hilarious. We all had a great laugh in the car. If you would have been there, you would have actually really enjoyed it. And she's like, well, but it was never, it was never supposed to, it was never supposed to be for attention. She goes, okay, well, fair enough. You know, I'm just not that sensitive. Okay, I'm not like some half Albanian, half, you know, Swedish model snowflake, right? I mean, I know you're from Scandinavia, but I didn't know you were made of actual snow. Okay, well, I mean, look, everyone has what I call their crotch as a coping mechanism. Some people find it in religion, boring.
54:08Ben Mandelker: Some people find it in humor, the best way. But, you know, I never judge people on what they want to use as what I call their crotch. Like, I don't know, what do you use as your crotch? Like, just, you know, being boring?
54:18Ronnie Karam: So, basically, like, if you're saying that I'm rude, you're kicking the crutches off of a disabled person. You're the bad person now. So, how does that make you feel? I love how she turned it around like that That was so funny And she's like but you did judge me She's like well alright well I'm a little bitchy too Let's be honest And now I realize You're much more sensitive And I will be aware of that Alright Missy's like I really appreciate that
54:45Ben Mandelker: I'm like bitch she just insulted you
54:47Ronnie Karam: I loved it I loved it Thank you so much
54:53Ben Mandelker: Like you think that's a good thing in Kimmy's world, well, you're just, you're sensitive. You probably put ketchup on your eggs and you probably don't like mayonnaise and I'll just be aware of that going forward.
55:05Ronnie Karam: And Kimmy tells us, she's like, well, I don't want Missy to be upset. I mean, she felt like people were disrespecting her brother's death and I feel really bad. I feel really bad about it. I don't, but you know.
55:18Ben Mandelker: You know, I am kind of getting learning to accept people as they are and like everyone deals differently with things and Kimmy, this is how she deals with it. And it doesn't come from a bad place. You know, I didn't know what I was expecting coming in here. And I was like, I really hope it's good. And she's like, oh, you were hoping I was, you were hoping I was going to be standing here with like a knife.
55:38Ronnie Karam: So Missy's just glad that this is over, right? Because Kimmy is terrified. And Kimmy's like, well, she's half Swedish, but you know, I like the Albanian bit. You know, that one, that side's got balls. She calls the spade a spade. I actually have much more respect for her than anything else. Stop.
55:55Ben Mandelker: Although I don't understand why she keeps on saying R-I-Z-G-O-D Riz God. What's that all about? So Missy's like, well, when it comes to Margot, I really think you guys should have a conversation. I really don't think she meant it in a malicious way, and I really feel like she's quite genuine. Oh, well, no, I thought that too. But you know, Margot actually said to me the other day that when he had his garden party, a girl had come up to him and said, oh, I actually knew Margot from years and years ago when she lived in London and I was talking to her tonight and she's a completely different person.
56:27Ben Mandelker: She's got her acting heart on.
56:30Ronnie Karam: And Missy just looks shocked. And I like that Kimmy's like, all right, I forgive you. Now let's ruin someone else together.
56:36Ben Mandelker: Well, this is how it often goes on these shows. It's like whoever delivers the message, like they deliver the message. The other two people, they fight, but the fight is actually so intense because of the message that they actually are compelled to make up. And then it's the person who delivers the message who is the one who gets burned. This is a classic pattern.
56:53Ronnie Karam: Yeah. so missy's like not ready to commit to this she's like i don't know well i don't know either i mean talk to mark margo needs to sit down and reevaluate being a girl's girl because she's a bit of a hypocrite i think oh and i'll say it to her face dun dun dun oh great show love it my heart so that was that and then we see a mid-season trailer and it just looks super fun and off the rails and Kimmy and uh Missy go at no Kimmy and Martha go at it and then Mark and Margo go at it which is really fun there's a great moment where like I don't know
57:34Ben Mandelker: like Margo and Mark are having some words and Margo's like like oh my god you're just like obsessed with me and he goes darling who wouldn't be and she goes you're so weird it's like this amazing pivot that he does and she doesn't know how to handle it it's great. I, I also, I hope that Margo, I'm sorry. I hope that Martha and Kimmy, I hope their friendship does not fall asunder. We see it happen all the time on these shows. So I'm hoping that we don't get like a season two where they're fighting. I get a little worried about that. It's like when Caroline Stanbury and Sophie Stanbury fought, like I didn't like that either.
58:12Ben Mandelker: Or like any other million shows where like the besties fight probably will happen. But for right now, pretty good at just being like,
58:19Ronnie Karam: you're a bitch and you were wrong. And you were, you know, they just tell each other flat out and so i like that it seems like they are really friends you know so they probably get into spats like this all the time so we'll see we'll see anyway but good times everybody have an amazing weekend thank you so much for being here new newsletter comes out tomorrow so if you want it just sign up for free patreon.com and we'll talk to you next
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