#3285 Married To Medicine S12E16 Part One: Take Your Menicine

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1:56Ben Mandelker: who cares what happens when there's so much that happens

2:01Ronnie Karam: hello and welcome to watch what crap happens i'm ronnie that's ben hello ben how you doing i am great thank you how are you doing good had a nice weekend played some sack boy with my nieces went to dinner with my family some big family time over here in texas what'd you do um i played a

2:25Ben Mandelker: bunch of board games and I cooked some food and I went, I spent like yesterday, like traveling around East Hollywood, going to a million different supermarkets. And I wasn't, it was just like, I got caught up in it. I was like, well, I'm so close to the, to the Armenian market. I might as well pop in there. Well, I'm so close to the Thai market and now might as well go there. Well, I'm so close to the Indian market. I might as well go there. I spent like all this, so much time just getting random ingredients and I had the best time. So I'm going to be Hollywood shopping.

2:52Ronnie Karam: So what do you do when you go to that many stores? You just have a ton of food now that's going to go to waste in your house.

2:58Ben Mandelker: It's just like random. It's just like random condiments and things like that. Like there was this, I was thinking about making a Thai thing and I was like, Oh, but I don't have that. I'm out of fish sauce. I was like, well, no, I can get my fish sauce. And I was thinking about making an Indian thing. And I was like, Oh, but I don't have mustard oil. Like, Ooh, but now I can get mustard oil. Ooh, I was thinking about making this sweet potato thing, but it involves like a Turkish tomato paste. I was like, oh, but now I can get it. So, you know, just a lot of condiments. A lot of jars. That's the best use of my time.

3:27Ben Mandelker: A lot of jars.

3:28Ronnie Karam: Jarring weekend. It was a jarring weekend for you. So that's good. Well, everybody, this is Married to Medicine Day. If you want these videos on, if you want these recaps on video, or you want bonus episodes, or you want ad-free listening, or you want Discord server, or you want a free newsletter, go over to patreon.com slash watch what crappens. yeah it's married to medicine day there has been some stuff going on in the Bravo world we should probably discuss because it went crazy over the weekend and that is the rumors that Amanda and West from Summer House are hooking up you've heard this obviously this has been going on for a while

4:09Ben Mandelker: yeah I sure have when we were at

4:13Ronnie Karam: South by Southwest the rumor was going around a lot and I only mention that because we were at a lot of parties where people were talking about it. And someone in our little circle, who I won't say her name because she probably won't appreciate that, but she said, these rumors are confirmed. I know for a fact that West and Amanda are hooking up. I'm gonna say anything because, you know, old Queen in a Bar news isn't always true. And I just didn't believe it. I just didn't believe it. And I was like, I'm not gonna play into this. It's probably a joke. Amanda has been known to, you know, lead us on in social media and not tell us the truth until she's ready, which is her right.

4:47Ronnie Karam: but I just don't believe anything these people say but apparently it's looking more and more true and the world has gone crazy the world has been lit on fire Amanda's being um chased down streets and pushed down subway steps I would imagine but yeah the rumor is that they're hooking up and um this started again last week when Amanda and Sierra were supposed to do an Amazon live together and didn't. And everyone was like, what? If you don't show up to your Amazon Live together, that means you hate each other. Which it would in our case. I mean, if you decided to do a separate Amazon Live for me, I'd be pissed.

5:26Ben Mandelker: I think that would definitely be really awkward for all of our listeners if we appeared on separate Amazon Lives. By the way, we're on Amazon Live today. Yeah, and then there was all this stuff. The internet sleuths started sleuthing. It's like, Wes has the same sweatshirt as Amanda. Did Amanda take Wes's sweatshirt? What happened? Amanda dabbed and his hat and Amanda dabbed something off of his cheek. What's going on with that? And then the big thing that really made things go nuts is that Lindsay Hubbard out of nowhere posted a screenshot of herself over the weekend going like this. And everyone's like, what?

6:07Ben Mandelker: Why would Lindsay just post that? And then it was like, then she posted a picture of her with Sierra, hugging Sierra tightly. And then there was a story with like Austin. And he posted something about like your friend's ex.

6:24Ronnie Karam: It's a plate of pasta. It's like plates of pasta. They're having dinner. And it just said, apparently pasta and fucking your exes, fucking your best friend exes are back in. Wow. And the lips kept moving on the post.

6:38Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Now there's also an extra wrinkle there because was he talking about Sally? Because there's rumors of Kyle and Sally doing something. So I don't know. But now everyone thinks that this is all coded. And then Kyle, I mean, Carl posted a screenshot of himself being like, oh. So now Carl's doing weird prediction.

6:58Ronnie Karam: That's a famous screenshot of Carl where he's just looking confused. They post it on every Summer House thread. It's just Carl like, oh. So he posted that. And they're like, oh, my God, Carl confirmed it. And then they post a KJ posted a picture of him looking like confused. Oh my God. KJ. KJ did it too. And then who else posted? Someone else posted a picture of them looking confused. Two judgy girls posted. Wow. Everybody's so worried about Sierra's feelings in this, but no one has said, gee, how's Kyle going to feel? And then Kyle posted under like a crying face. And like, yeah, that's right.

7:31Ronnie Karam: Also post.

7:32Ben Mandelker: He also posted something in support of Amanda where he was like watching the episode back. It was just like terrible. well, I know I should be treated that way. But I think that was neither here nor there.

7:43Ronnie Karam: That was just clean up after his own bad behavior on that episode.

7:47Ben Mandelker: There's suspicion that the cast is just trolling the audience. But I will say, let's never forget, Lindsay has never truly liked Amanda. A lot of people don't go all the way back with Summer House, but we remember season two. Was it season two? where Lindsay excised Amanda from a photo, a group photo. And Kyle wrote a 19-page manifesto in response. Was that season three or season two? Either way.

8:19Ronnie Karam: Two or three.

8:20Ben Mandelker: It was an early season, but Lindsay cut Amanda out of the group photo. So by all accounts, they seem fine. But Lindsay sort of like embracing Sierra on her IG story when all this stuff is going on. I don't know. I don't know.

8:39Ronnie Karam: I don't think it's a joke at this point because people really probably are pushing Amanda down subway stairs or like throwing cans at her head. You know, like people, the Bravo audience, if they hate you, especially for something like this, I mean, they're not going to be calm. I wouldn't I wouldn't post this as a joke. And especially if you're like prone to depression, because this is not ever going to make you feel that. I don't think Amanda would agree to like joke around about this. But I don't know because she is they're all doing a lot of, you know, influencing and stuff like that right now.

9:13Ronnie Karam: And it'll be like a post comes out and then Samantha doing an influencing post for Buffalo Wild Bills. Or what is that called? Buffalo Bills Wild Wings. We believe in that Amanda's eating at the Buffalo Wild Wings. Am I supposed to believe that? So she's doing that. And so people are like, well, maybe they're just doing it for the money. But I don't know. is it terrible to say that it doesn't i don't really care if amanda and west made out well i

9:39Ben Mandelker: um i just i want better for her if she's gonna get into a scandal with anyone like just why not why west why west and also i feel like there's been so much attention being put on amanda like oh my god what a bitch which is it's bad it's bad for many different reasons but also like if it's if this is true let's also like reserve some heat for West who we are we watched half a season of him on Summer House you know moping around actually it was all last season moping and then this season like I think she likes me I think I'm in love with her you know and if we you know if we know that he is actually having some sort of affair with Amanda this whole time then like really i've had enough with him yeah because he's obviously just using that for a

10:33Ronnie Karam: storyline this season like i'm so heartbroken with sierra and meanwhile he liked amanda that whole time yeah it's pretty gross and and you know he is a down a downgrade from kyle i know kyle makes everybody crazy but you know kyle becoming a dj we're giving kyle so much shit for that but that's his second job like he also is running this company into the ground but still running a company and you know that's like his second job west if west became a dj we'd be like oh my god west has a job like we deployed you know so he's a downgrade and i really hope this isn't true but it's looking true so i don't know well yeah well we will be tracking this story

11:15Ben Mandelker: everyone don't you worry we'll be on top of it and we'll have all the late breaking news on this potential, you know, Scandaval-level Summer House issue. I don't think it's Scandaval-level,

11:29Ronnie Karam: but they're trying to.

11:31Ben Mandelker: I think it's not Scandaval-level because it's having a slow simmer to a boil as opposed to Scandaval, which, like, dropped like a bomb, you know? And so I think it was, like, the suddenness of that was crazy.

11:44Ronnie Karam: And it wasn't cheating. Scandaval was cheating. I mean, that was like a 10-year relationship. He was cheating with the best friend and stuff. This wasn't that. They're like separated and whatever, and it's West. It would be Amanda Vol, right?

12:00Ben Mandelker: Amanda Vol? Well, we already have Scamanda. Scandal House. Scummer House.

12:11Ronnie Karam: All right, well, enough of that. Let's get on to, oh, I opened notes for Survivor. This week's bonus episode is going to be a survivor recap. Holler. Okay. So the wrong notes. Let me open married to medicine season 12 episode 16 reunion part two. I'll just start by saying this could have been a one part reunion. You know, they had a supersized reunion last week. They could have just ended it. That's all I needed. I didn't need this. How about you?

12:38Ben Mandelker: Uh, or it could have been a two part one with one. That's not supersized. I don't know. I mean, I enjoyed that. I enjoyed, I enjoyed the, the husband's chopping it up a little bit more than I thought I would. I feel like they've basically been biting their tongues for 12 years and finally they've had enough. You know, Eugene was like, we've been here for 12 years. There's never been this drama. It's like, because they've all just, it's been building up. It's 12 years building up and everyone's like sick of Eugene, you know? Um, but like by and large yes uh you know maybe maybe we could have edited out some other segments that were not it

13:17Ronnie Karam: was a lot of retreads it was just a lot of things that they already talked about last week that they're trying to keep it going for another episode you had a super size was this super size too no it wasn't so they had a super sized one last week so at least cut out half and put it on this week and have a two part i mean i don't know but it was like a bunch of talking about the same shit but anyway it's always enjoyable because it's these ladies so it's i always laugh but i was like all right wrap it up wrap it up guys get the hook so we ended last week with simone crying and jackie come to sit coming to sit right by her and being like tell me tell me simone what can i do and simone being like i will not fall move forward never ever not gonna not shut up whatever she was saying i will not and when we finished that episode you said until five minutes when she will forgive her and it'll all be over and i laughed you know but you were not exaggerating

14:14Ben Mandelker: it was literally it was less it was i was actually i was exaggerating five minutes was too generous it was literally 30 seconds because as it turns out the thing that they've been promoting which is we are never getting back together taylor swift we are never it is weak i'm not i cannot move there is no moving forward jackie and then when we come back and it's like and he's like what did you mean you can't move forward with heavenly i was like oh come on oh

14:43Ronnie Karam: with you i'm fine yeah but with jack i'm fine with jackie yeah yeah i'm fine i can't move forward with the narrative that i am aggressive and i'm unhinged and pushing people okay but can you move forward with Jackie? And she's like, oh yeah, Jackie, yeah, yeah. You know, but not if you can't take a stance on right and wrong, okay? And you saw the footage. And Heavenly's like, but she did take a stance. She did take a stance on right. You know, Heavenly's still trying to make a point over there. So, Simone's like, Jackie, I want you to tell me what the footage showed. Did I push Heavenly like she's alleging?

15:20Ronnie Karam: And she's like, and the answer is no, you have not. You did not push her.

15:27Ben Mandelker: I want to take accountability for what she did. They're screaming at me. That's uncalled for. She screamed at me. Jackie's like, but you did not push heavenly. Thank you. All right. That's all she did to hear. No, no, no. But she needed to hear some more shit. She ain't telling me to hear more shit. So Jackie's like, are you not threatening that? You are not threatening to anybody. Not even a flea. Okay. I am on the record. And Simone's like, I may be shady though. and then they're smiling and laughing and Jackie's like, I'm gonna hug you and she's like, oh, you're gonna ask for permission to touch me?

16:01Ben Mandelker: You've never had to do that before. Shut up. And then they hug and it's all resolved.

16:07Ronnie Karam: Yeah, and everyone's like, oh my gosh. And Jackie says, well you should not have unfollowed me though, Simone. And she goes, that's true, I shouldn't have. Simone, get your phone out and follow Jackie back. We are inspirational women. We are women who are there for each other through thick and thin, through follows, through unfollows. It's time for a commercial.

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18:50Ben Mandelker: All right. Well, first of all, round of applause. I feel healed. I feel healed. You worked a miracle today, Andy. Praise him. I didn't work any miracle. Contessa goes, did you just say praise him?

19:05Ronnie Karam: Yes, I did. I'm praising him. Now, the rest of the ladies have seen the footage. Do you agree that Simone did not push or get physical? And they all agree. And they go around the whole circle. It's like, hi, Quad. Hi, Contessa. Hi, Mimi. It's literally every person. Contessa, what did you think? Mimi, what did you think? What did you think? What did you think? And they all say no. And Contessa's like, yeah, and you know, Heavenly, every time you start stuff, you literally go for security every single time. And she goes, no, no, that's for you. That's for you that I get security. That's for you.

19:45Ronnie Karam: One other person I'll use security on, but I will use it for you.

19:49Ben Mandelker: She's like, well, you use these trigger words that we're talking about. Like, you're unhinged. I'm saying, what is this? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I never said threatened. I said she was volatile. That's all. So now we cut to the man in the back room and Scott's like, okay, the ladies are looking good so far. And Curtis goes, hey, be careful how you talk about my wife. The only lady on the screen was my wife and he's got something to say. They're like ribbing each other, you know, because Scott's saying that like, oh, Jackie's fine. Jackie's fine. So they're going back and forth and it seems like things are calmer backstage age compared to the tension that happened earlier.

20:28Ronnie Karam: And then Curtis jumps in and he's like, Eugene, Eugene, please hear me. You know, in the group, we've talked about not getting ourselves caught up in the stuff that our wives do. But Toya has perpetuated this lie out there. And Eugene's like, what lie? What lie? What lie does she perpetuate? And he says, well, she got on national TV and said that I put on my hands on her and I put hands on other women. Dun, dun, dun. So we see that clip from Watch What Happens Live. and Curtis is like well she said that other women told her that and so um Curtis is like well you

21:01Ben Mandelker: speak to what your wife says because you're always agreeing with her and he goes well oh well I don't know what they told her it's like why do you agree to it if you don't if you don't know because because my wife has said that you pulled her and then Steve is like because Steve what's so funny is that Steve has his little finger and he's like wagging his finger the whole episode he's going he always pulls it out this little finger and he's like because it's convenient because it's convenient and chris is like yeah you sat there and you supported you supported her eugene and seems like because it's convenient because it's convenient and eugene's like i do support her she's my wife it's like but you sat there and you support her for that lie you support her it's

21:35Ronnie Karam: convenient it's convenient call him at 7-11 it is convenient it is convenient and so eugene's like well what's the lie then what's like well the lie is that i put my hands on different women and eugene goes well two and he goes did i touch your wife yes i did okay well she's like thank

21:56Ben Mandelker: you thank you for finally acknowledging what was blatantly on tv and so cecil's like uh hey guys i think we uh missed some some other shit that's happening on tv i was like shut up cecil they

22:05Ronnie Karam: were finally getting somewhere not really because curtis is just gonna always come in with some that he's guilty of that's the thing like curtis just be quiet no curtis is not somebody to bring the message but it's not you you are not the messenger sir yeah so we go back area and um heavenly is like um yes you are strong you are a strong contestant she goes well based on what you went through and she goes oh this one here this one here i will whip her i will grab her by the throat i'm not afraid of simone but i'm afraid of you bitch and contessa is like oh wait and he goes wait wait can i just say something um look let me just say something it's not the greatest look to say you felt physically threatened by her and then to say i'm gonna rip your throat off no i said i was gonna whip her ass andy that's what i said i'm not gonna rip her throat i'm gonna

22:55Ben Mandelker: whip her ass okay whip her ass and brandy's like that's unhinged it's like well let's talk about the beginning fred um what's your name we need to go back andy is that your name fred frank frank

23:06Ronnie Karam: what's your name

23:10Ben Mandelker: praise him Andy does that thing where he wags his head and like looks like confused okay whatever my name is I'm only running this show god you know that Andy doesn't like having his name being forgotten I mean just look at his response to Sarah Michelle Gellar last week which is another thing that was that was a big thing you saw that right

23:31Ronnie Karam: I saw that he was offended or whatever but I didn't I didn't read much about

23:35Ben Mandelker: it tell me yeah he was because sarah michelle geller went off about how beverly hills was just like so lame this season and then andy was on his radio show was like she came into like radio she has the radio andy sign right behind and like that's my show and like i love this season andy's like going he is he is standing two feet down that beverly hills is having a tremendous season no one else agrees and he got really mad at sarah michelle geller so i think that they're beefing

24:00Ronnie Karam: right now oh lord andy get over it beverly hill sucks this year everybody agrees like nine out of ten dentists agree that beverly is boring as fuck this year come on don't take it out on buffy okay yeah and don't don't have people on just because they're in your house doesn't mean they have to agree with everything this isn't like a real housewife show like don't be mean to me in my own home don't call me a wimp in my own home you're a wimp okay if you don't want me to call

24:25Ben Mandelker: you a wimp don't invite me over yeah exactly so um simone's like she doesn't know your name andy but she has your vote and contessa says well let them know whose house it is andy's like i'm working on it you know i did the right thing i removed myself and i was not gonna come on that girl's

24:42Ronnie Karam: trip brandy's like but you still came on the girl's trip wow all right i want to switch gears okay on On a lighter note, let's talk about teaching kids medical professional, blah, blah. It's a medical professional montage. Wow, look at everybody working and doing great, doing great work.

25:05Ben Mandelker: The unspoken rule of reunions is that the second segment, they always have like a, okay, here it is. The unspoken rule of reunions is that once they resolve the cliffhanger, the next segment is the one that you can go to the bathroom on. because it's always like the goofy segment where it's just about nothing. It's like, okay, let's be a lighter now. Let's see the funny things that happen when you're teaching kids. It's like, okay, go into the kitchen to get a Diet Coke.

25:32Ronnie Karam: All right, well, great work, ladies. So, Ala from Hanborough, California says, I feel like social media has turned us all into part-time doctors. What health trend from social media makes you want to scream into the void because patients keep trying it? Jackie, Jackie, come on now. It's like, well, they don't want us to do certain things to the babies, and they don't want to take certain medicine because the TikTok trend says don't do this. So we compete with TikTok all day long, Andy. I can't tell you the last time I was able to deliver a baby without first throwing my elbows to the right, throwing my elbows to the left, and twerking, Andy.

26:10Ronnie Karam: It's just how it is.

26:11Ben Mandelker: Do you know how difficult it is to deliver a baby while the mother is singing, yo ho all hands they've just gotta stop watching North Sea TikTok

26:25Ronnie Karam: one patient didn't want a certain zodiac sign and refused to be delivered blood pressure elevated 38 weeks she just did not want a Virgo Andy and Quad goes they're just dumb

26:39Ben Mandelker: yeah honestly I can't imagine the doctors who have to deal with that bullshit that's like actually infuriating you go to medical school and you put in the hours in the residency just have some ding dong being like um i know i may die but it's important for me not to have my baby during this zodiac sign oh my god well yeah like tiktok videos like i don't want you to do that because i saw on

27:03Ronnie Karam: a tiktok that you you know you're supposed to hold the baby this way i mean people have just gotten so stupid i was watching this thing today a tiktok probably about and it was by teachers and it was all these teachers who are quitting across the country and they're like i've just fucking had it man i mean these kids are idiots and you can't tell them anything or you get kicked out or you get reprimanded or something and they're just like i'm done like and people are just so stupid the stories they're telling is like okay i tell them to open their books to page 14 and then they all just stare at me and you've got 50 kids just staring at you like huh open your books huh and then if you say anything if you call the parents they're just like fuck you and they hang up on you I don't know what do you do the world's just gotten too stupid stay inside that's what I say

27:47Ben Mandelker: yeah like I'm sorry like I do hear those stories and I hear the stories about how yeah like the like the it's like you can't say anything to the child you can't you can't reprimand it's like oh my god these poor teachers these poor doctors there's just stupidity out there and it's just it's too it's it's too much to deal with anyway back to bravo which is not stupid at all back to spending our lives talking about housewives i know back to our work on a podcast called watch

28:16Ronnie Karam: what crappens back to our super intelligent lifestyles uh so andy asks um some political stuff he's asking about dei the cuts in dei and the education department affecting doctors of color and simone's like well i wouldn't be here if i didn't get the pell grant and other types of aid that didn't require me to pay it back. And they're talking about DEI and stuff. And Tessa's like, yeah, I mean, I needed it too. Like you can get an acceptance letter, but what does that mean if you can't go to the school? Like if you can't afford to go? My dad was a truck driver. My mom worked at the post office.

28:51Ronnie Karam: So where are we going to get 400 grand to put me through medical school?

28:55Ben Mandelker: Yeah, and then Quad points out that nurses are no longer deemed a medical profession, which I did not know that. and i mean look how is that even possible that's that is wild who who deemed that that's absolutely absurd okay if nurses if nurses have to deal with that is that a rhetorical question who deemed that you know who deemed that who deemed that honestly if these who did that who did that honestly if if these nurses have to go around cleaning up the poop out of people's beds i think they are entitled to be called a medical profession i'm sorry if they're taking my temperature if they're taking my blood pressure you in my mind are part of the medical profession and that's crazy that that was that that was taken away from the nurses that's crazy.

29:53Ben Mandelker: I can't believe it. Now, of course, we're sitting here talking about like, look at all these kids getting their news from TikTok. And I'm literally getting my news from whatever Quad is saying on the marriage, domestic reunion. But I feel like that has to be true.

30:08Ronnie Karam: Well, nursing has not stopped being considered a medical profession by the public. But starting July 1st, 2026, the U.S. Department of Education will stop classifying nursing, including advanced practice registered nurses as a professional degree for the purpose of federal student loan limits. The reclassification is part of a new federal regulation stemming from the Trump administration proposal. One big, beautiful bill act that redefines which graduate programs can access higher federal federal loan limits. Wow. Fifty thousand dollars a year. So, yeah, you were wondering who. Gee, I wonder who.

30:44Ronnie Karam: I wonder who would have done that.

30:46Ben Mandelker: I can't believe that the Department of Education that is now run by the former matriarch of the World Wrestling Federation now has decided to make nurses not medical.

31:02Ronnie Karam: Jesus.

31:04Ben Mandelker: Who would have thought something chaotic like that would happen?

31:07Ronnie Karam: This timeline is just a fucking joke. My God. So, yeah, they're all talking about what a travesty this is. you know obviously it is and andy's like well you know the show's always been unique that it doesn't shy away from real world conversations and uh so he asks about alex peretti a fellow nurse and his uh death during protest against ice and doctors and nurses what thoughts or emotions did that bring up and heavenly says it's devastating because a lot of people feel like a white man would have been protected because a white man died that means we all can die and we thought that they had privilege under this administration, but nobody does.

31:45Ronnie Karam: And it's scary for all of us.

31:48Ben Mandelker: Yeah. And then Andy asks about gaps in medical care, like mortality in black community, et cetera. And so Jackie is talking about that. There's period poverty and about black community has more who die from breast cancer and cervical cancer and ovarian cancer. And there's also colon cancer. And then Andy brings up that there has been an uptick in HIV amongst black women in Atlanta, to which Contessa notes that, you know, that's why it's important for everyone to be on PrEP. It's not just for gay men. Yeah.

32:21Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I was talking to friends recently and nobody even knew what PrEP was. I mean, there were straight people, but they didn't even know what PrEP was. I was like, really? I guess gays are the only people afraid of HIV because, take it. um so chef and do your prep do your prep i'm like guys that was so funny what i just said mise en place the the gay sex medication preventative hiv medication for really fancy people yeah if you're an epicurean who's having sex please get on mise en place

33:01Ben Mandelker: mise en prep okay guess what the husbands are now on stage and because they're men And they cannot be put on sofas where they may risk touching themselves. So they're put in chairs. Because that would be the worst if someone's shoulder brushed up against someone else's shoulder.

33:18Ronnie Karam: No homo, bro. No homo, bro. No homo, bro. And Eugene has gotten his wish after acting like a housewife all season. He has been given first chair. And he's like, first chair? I've never been at first chair, violin, or anything. I mean, this is weird. and uh and he's like welcome back to the married medicine reunion i'm andy going and we've got the guys hi cecil hi here we go did cinema make you fly frontier to get here cecil he's like no

33:50Ben Mandelker: fortunately i didn't have to fly frontier i made it it's like great curtis how's it going curtis like great great great no complaints where did you find that woman that you have on your lap Oh, I just pulled her from craft services. Well, you should probably let her get back to that now.

34:04Ronnie Karam: Okay, I will. It was just one woman, Andy, not two. Thank you very much. Okay, Dr. Damon, Steve. Oh, Steve, you've got some eyes. You've got some cleavage. And he's like, yeah, you know, listen, I've been in the gym. I've been in the gym, man, so I'm going to show it off. Thank you. Thank you very much.

34:23Ben Mandelker: Yes, you have. Hey, Dr. Scott has the eyes. Scott's like, it's good. So I just like, okay, well, I understand there was some drama backstage, which is why we pretty much have you out here right now. You want to tell us all about Curtis, Eugene? What happened? And Eugene's like, what drama? I don't remember any drama. And Curtis is like, guys, don't create drama. That's for the ladies. Oh, is that right? Because last time I checked, you guys are all sitting out here because you made so much drama backstage, okay? So Eugene's like, yeah, we had a discussion. And Andy's like, well, what was the discussion about?

34:55Ben Mandelker: It's like, well, so at some point there's been twice that Toya has been asked about lap gate. And I was, you know, not angry about it at the time. So there's been no beef with that. But Toya is still, you know, I think to this day a little offended by being pulled into somebody's lap. And so Curtis voiced that he, well, he didn't agree that that ever happened.

35:14Ronnie Karam: And Curtis is like, well, Eugene, at risk of sounding like a woman and arguing. Am I right, guys? Women. I'm going to beg to differ. You know, Toya was on Watch What Happens Live, and she said that women have come to her and said that I've had my hands on multiple women, which is a flat-out lie. And then we go to the ladies backstage, and Toya's like, no, I didn't. I said he needs to keep his hands to himself because he's had his hands on multiple women, which is basically what he said.

35:42Ben Mandelker: I actually rewound it like three times. I was like, because Curtis says, she said, I've had my hands on multiple women. And he, and Toya literally goes, no, I said he needs to keep his hands to himself because he's had his hands on multiple women. And she says in this like nice way to Jackie, like, like, isn't this fun? Like, no, I said that because he's had multiple hands, hands on multiple women, right, Jackie? And Jackie is like.

36:06Ronnie Karam: That's a Toya argument. That's a Toya argument, 100%. I did say that. I said it. It's like, what? So Jackie's like, but you mean on the show? Show or not Okay but on the show But on the show it's two But off the show it's three Jackie And it's all your fault anyway So are they including the affair

36:24Ben Mandelker: I don't know I don't know what Toya's ever talking about Jackie goes oh it's mine Okay she goes yeah because you said he didn't do it Jackie goes well he didn't do what baby Well he didn't pull me in his lap And so that's what stuck with me all these years Now look I've always agreed with Toya on this one Like Curtis fully pulled her into his lap and it made her feel very uncomfortable and it was crazy that neither of them apologized with the swiftness that they apologized to quad this season about what curtis said about um you know fertility and so uh and i think this could have been squashed years ago because if curtis thought he was just playing around but it made to you feel uncomfortable He could have 100 % just apologized for that.

37:10Ben Mandelker: And Jackie could have apologized for that. And they could have moved on. But the fact that they didn't at that time, obviously, it stuck with Toya. And I actually would never take that away from Toya. But what I think is crazy is that Curtis can't still seem to acknowledge that. Like, that's wild to me.

37:29Ronnie Karam: Well, but he, I mean, what's weird about Curtis is he did just acknowledge it backstage. He said, did I pull your wife into my lap? Yes. but now we're on the stage and eugene's like well you wouldn't even admit that you pulled my wife into your lap and he says because you wouldn't admit that you perpetuated that lie what lie

37:45Ben Mandelker: that you pulled her i think the lie is that like i'm assuming because it's not really stated i don't know i don't know why it's so it's so clear to me i'm assuming that curtis's stance whether or not it's true is that he pulled toy into his lap he was horsing around and it was an overstep he didn't realize and and but he's not going around just touching all the women on the show and making them feel uncomfortable that's i think his stance what that and toya stance is no he is doing that he's got his hands on a lot of women on our cast and then when the show isn't rolling he's also being handsy with other people so i think that he's taking issue with this idea that he's sort of generally handsy but i kind of feel like the first thing that he needs to do is acknowledge the Toya situation because that was on camera and we see that we've seen that and then he could say i was horsing around but like you know i learned my lesson so i'm definitely not handsy after that i'm not trying to defend him i'm saying like that's what he should be saying and i'm sort of surprised that he couldn't even get there yeah i think he admits that the Toya

38:47Ronnie Karam: thing but the problem is he wants to make it this huge argument that it's not multiple women well okay curtis but we saw that with Toya and then we know that you were having an affair with someone like 30 years your junior was it 20 or 30 years i forgot one of those um you know for a while to the point that it was being posted on blogs and shit so you don't need to be arguing it's like oh exactly so it was just two so it was just two and not three oh okay why are you bringing it up just say you're sorry and let it pass but you're the one who keeps bringing it up over and over to try and win some little point against eugene that's not making you look any better curtis and also

39:25Ben Mandelker: like eugene like has not looked great this season and this is you're you're giving eugene an easy win here too just in terms of if we're going to talk about like a murder like winning quote unquote winning a reunion you know just apologize take accountability that you did something you know like that was inappropriate and then let eugene continue to dig his grave because you know steve is going to be is going to be and continues to be all on top of eugene you know So like you just have to get out of the fray, Curtis, and you're staying in the fray because you're being too stubborn to admit that you did something wrong here.

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40:53Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so they go back and forth because he's like, well, I'm not going to say anything until you admit it. And he's like, well, I'm not going to admit it until you admit it. You're admitting things. And so they go back and forth. And Andy's like, okay, we can leave that there. So let's talk about massages on the beach. Wow, I'm looking at you, Damon, because you told Heavenly you didn't get one. And he's like, I thought I did, though. You thought you did what? Well, I don't remember getting a massage. Look, we get a massage weekly, so what I consider a massage is what our massage lady Melanie does, you know?

41:28Ronnie Karam: Oh, you mean it has to be on a table? Yeah. It's not a massage if it's not on a table, Andy.

41:36Ben Mandelker: Okay. Does Andy have any interest in talking to these guys? He seems so, like, not—like, why is he asking about this massage thing? It's so stupid. also like Andy just spent a good amount of energy trying to heal Jackie and Simone I'm actually a little surprised that he didn't jump in with Eugene and Curtis to be like I think what he's trying to say is this and what he's trying to say is that and it was weird that he just sort of like sat there and let them talk about it and then he just like moved on to the stupid question about

42:05Ronnie Karam: the massages yeah well that's has something sexual to it and that's Andy's favorite thing you know They're like, oh, were you cheating on your wives by getting massages on the beach? Okay, well, gentlemen, we saw you go through some bumps with your wives. Eugene, you got a lot of side eye from the other men about how you and Toya wedded each other during the skip workday party. You called it a married moment. And he's like, yeah, you know, like, look, I think you'd be lying in your relationship if you've been together for a long time. If you didn't have a moment where you said something you didn't mean, you know, we just happened to be on TV.

42:40Ronnie Karam: with a bunch of people at our house at that moment. And, you know, maybe there was also a couple of people that might not have been invited had this not been an all-cast event. Okay, stop making it like, oh, well, it was a cast event, so we had people that we didn't like there. You and your wife were yelling at each other like fools at your house, at your party, and it made everyone uncomfortable, and you acted like crazy people, and then you turned around and blamed everybody else for it and said everyone else just didn't have as strong as marriages as yours no you know that's that's

43:13Ben Mandelker: crazy this is crazy talk he's wondering why they got side eye it's because you are on tv he's like well it just happened we know we were just like a typical married couple said something it came out wrong it just happened to be on tv i'm like it's because it was on tv that you were getting the side eye because everyone was like how are you two acting this way in front of people on tv that's where the side eye is from is that it was such a crazy public disregard of how embarrassing you were being to like your family in that moment yeah and at a party yikes and just like yeah so

43:47Ronnie Karam: people were just i mean they just oh yeah so married people don't fight at parties on tv i

43:53Ben Mandelker: mean come on andy so steve is like sounds like a narrative spin to me and that's the truth and eugene is like you didn't have to comment steve he's like i do have to comment because the blame was put on Mimi, but now you're going to have a, you're not going to have a married moment. He's like, well, it wasn't just Mimi. She called out a bunch of ladies. No, no, no, no, no, no. It was very specific in the moment. It was you bees did this to me, Mimi and heavily. That's what it was in the moment. And I did not hear you take accountability for that. I have not heard an apology for that. Where's the apology?

44:19Ben Mandelker: Where's the apology?

44:20Ronnie Karam: He's like, well, there is no apology because I saw Mimi's face and it had judgment in it. And I saw Heavenly's face and it had judgment. Yeah. Because you were acting like a fucking fool at your party. Of course they were looking at you like what the fuck are you doing yelling at your wife in front of people have you

44:36Ben Mandelker: seen your wife's face have you seen the opening credits of the show she's being judgy to the audience okay that's what toy does and by the way love her for it that's what we want from toyah like you're on a show with judgy opinionated people and like you cannot hold that against them that is why they are there they're there to express their opinions so so hush hush with The drudginess.

44:58Ronnie Karam: So Steve's like, I see you. I see what you do. I see who you are. Convenient. Hey, why do you keep the water so close to the entrance of the store? Convenience.

45:11Ben Mandelker: Convenience.

45:13Ronnie Karam: So he's like, I'm going to hold you accountable. And Eugene's like, whatever. And he goes, you're Eugene Bush. Like, oh, we can always bring some sexism into it. There hasn't been enough. It's been like five minutes. It's like, can we be like less sexist for one fucking minute of this show?

45:30Ben Mandelker: Cecil chimes. Now, meanwhile, you know, Curtis is up there, like not fessing up to being inappropriate with Toya. Cecil's quiet, but the moment that Steve says, you're Eugene Bush, Cecil's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa, you made a guy sound sort of like a girl that's in a, whoa, it's too much. Come on, Steve, that's not right, man. That's too much. He's like, no, Cecil, we're not doing that. We're not doing that. And Eugene's like, okay, you've been rude all day, Steve. All day. He's like, yeah, that's not right, man. Whoa, like giving him the maiden name. Whoa, whoa, Steve. I've been on this stage for 12 years and you just got here, Steve.

46:04Ben Mandelker: He's like, well, I've been here and I didn't say anything. I've been good. But you've been convenient. Very convenient. My figure is wagging at extra high speeds now. You're so convenient.

46:13Ronnie Karam: And Eugene keeps saying over and over, well, I've been on this show the longest. Eugene, you suck, okay? You've been on this show and now you are turning into a real housewife and you need to just stop. It's so annoying. Just let your wife fight her own battles. You know, daddy has it right how he does it. He's just like, what? What did Heavenly do? Okay, well, she did something wrong. I talked to her. And they're like, when? When did you talk to her? Off the camera. That's how you're supposed to do it. What? Like, just play dumb, okay? We're not here to watch Eugene fight. So he's like, well, I've been on this show for 12 years, and you just got here.

46:45Ronnie Karam: And now, look, the energy's off this year. And Steve's like, I didn't say anything. And Eugene's like, yeah, well, you're one of the new people who are here, and I'm just putting it out there. I'm just putting it out there. No, but these fights are you. I mean, there is the one with Steve, but this is you. This is Curtis. This is you fighting for your wife is why these fights are happening. It's not because.

47:06Ben Mandelker: And by the way, these fights with Eugene, these fights with Eugene were happening before Steve even came on the show. I remember there was a thing with Eugene and Anila's husband. I don't really remember what happened with that fight, what caused it. But I know that Anila's husband had to like apologize to Eugene or something. It was like awkward. but I feel like anytime the guys have had some sort of friction, it's always been Eugene in the, in the center of it. So then Eugene is like, I've never been this weirdness, whatever. And then Chris is like, wait, wait, wait, but where did it start? It started at your house.

47:34Ben Mandelker: No matter if he's here two years, 12 years, 20 years, there's a respect that goes between men.

47:42Ronnie Karam: We're going to respect him because he does not have boobies.

47:48Ben Mandelker: That's right. So Eugene's like, hey, Curtis, we understand. We don't, you know, you don't like my wife. You have an issue with my wife. I get it. I get it. It's like, no, no, no. I've got no issue with the truth. I've got an issue with the truth and being accountable. I'm like, but Curtis, you're not being accountable and you are trying to bend the truth, but that's fine.

48:03Ronnie Karam: Yeah, exactly. Eugene being an idiot doesn't mean you're not an idiot. So Andy's like, okay, let's move on. Damon, you're right that Andy's just saying, let's move on instead of trying to work anything out. I don't think he watches it. And I think he's just like, all right, get me through this. I want the ladies back here. I'm not here to talk to a bunch of husbands. If I wanted to have to deal with a husband, I would have found one for myself.

48:22Ben Mandelker: Maybe he's also like slightly intimidated by them. You know, he's like, like older, older men. And he's like, you know, like maybe he's like goes back to a place of like, I'm like the gay kid on the playground or something like that, you know? But I don't know. But Andy is like, let's move on, Damon. We got a lot of comments from viewers who didn't understand why you didn't tell Heavenly about Damon Jr.'s arrest. So Damon's like, well, I'm just sort of a quiet guy. So I don't feel like I have to address everything. So you all do not know the whole story. So don't assume it because you see it on TV.

49:00Ben Mandelker: So he basically says, I handled it the best way I knew how to. And then Andy's like, do you have any updates?

49:05Ronnie Karam: I'm just like, I'm just a quiet guy. I don't feel like I have to address everything. You don't feel like you have to tell your wife that your son is in jail? Hello? Or like arrested? What the hell? and so they talk about the son's mental health and they ask andy asked how he's doing and he says it's been really difficult but when something happens to someone that you love to someone when something horrible happens to somebody you love and you don't understand what it is you know even when you're a doctor and you've read about all these things over and over again and he hasn't he's not a psychiatrist but he's read all the books and he didn't still didn't know what was going on and so he's going to stand up for him no matter what so he's not answering basically and scott's asks if he's still seeing if he's still not seeing him and damien still hasn't seen him and then um do you feel like personal what issues get weaponized a lot here and he's like yeah and i'll be honest you know this show surprised the crap out of me you know when people make up lies about me or when they say that i'm doing things that i'm not doing and And then backstage, Simone's like, Then tell your wife not to do that with us.

50:16Ronnie Karam: Tell your wife. She's like screaming at the TV.

50:21Ben Mandelker: That's my man. Toyo's like, that's it. Opposite is tracked.

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