#3292 The Valley S3E01 Part Two: Sip and Lacey

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1:52Ben Mandelker: happens who cares what happens when there's so much that happens well hello and welcome to watch what crappens this is part two of a two-part recap if you're like hey wait a minute i didn't

2:07Ronnie Karam: hear part one guys it's because we put out a lot of recaps go back and listen to part one okay it's before this one bye enjoy the show then we go to jesse and luke hanging out and um luke's like well I went out, but like Kristen wasn't thrilled with that. But like, I've been pushing her to go out. So then I can go out. How's Lacey? How's your, how's your girlfriend? How's your, how's your new child? Your girlfriend. And actually they're only 10 years apart. I think Lacey, we meet Lacey at the end of this episode. And I thought Lacey looked like she's 20, but she's like 35. I think. I know.

2:47Ben Mandelker: I thought she looked like solid. Like, not 20.

2:53Ronnie Karam: But like her vibe, like her vibes. Like, yeah. Oh, yeah. But like, I mean, but yeah, like he called you, right?

3:03Ben Mandelker: That's definitely the California way. Yeah. She's got that vibe. She kind of had like, it sort of reminded me of, you know, that movie White Girls. You know, she was sort of giving me that energy. So Jesse is like, that's what it's called, right? The Wayans Brothers? White chicks. White chicks, not white girls.

3:25Ronnie Karam: Yeah, she had on a lot of makeup. But I think she has, because I looked her up, because I was like, who is this girl? Because we've heard so much about her, and we didn't see that much of her. So I looked her up, and I wanted to know the age difference. But apparently she has some kind of autoimmune thing going on. She's got an invisible disease. I'm not sure what it was. So she's got a lot of skin. She's got a lot of issues. So I think she's just like wearing like a lot of makeup or whatever because of skin issues or something. So.

3:54Ben Mandelker: Okay. Yeah.

3:55Ronnie Karam: Well, that's that's good to know. Before we rag on her. It's not that we're not going to rag on her mercilessly. It's just like under what ways can we rag on her? We'll still find ways around. Don't you worry.

4:11Ben Mandelker: It just feels like there's just so many other beautiful ways to stick our feet in our mouths. Like, let's not make this be the one the way we do it. yeah exactly exactly we'll just get creative you know yeah so jesse is uh so lucas just asked how lacy's doing jesse's like she's good she was up last two weekends and her daughter and isabella and the two of them are like sisters and they're starting to fight like sisters man isabella he says yeah well guess what the girlfriend from orange county can now be named her name is lacy she's incredibly intelligent incredibly passionate and we spend a lot of time together Our kids are really close, and it's been incredible.

4:48Ben Mandelker: We're kind of the best couple on this entire show, and anyone who would hate Lacey is obviously a wretched monster. So that's all I got to say about that.

4:58Ronnie Karam: He's like, so how are things between Michelle and Lacey, though? And he's like, well, Michelle doesn't want communication, but I asked Michelle to reach out last summer before the Yamashiro party and just put your cards on the table, just move forward so we can all move on. and Michelle wanted no part of that. Yeah, because you're bringing your girlfriend into the finale episode and encroaching on her life.

5:24Ben Mandelker: She doesn't want to try to create a fight. You're trying to create a big scene to sort of blow out the season with. You were not genuinely trying to have a moment for Michelle and Lacey to move on by suddenly inviting Lacey to the season finale on camera. That was not a good faith attempt to like broker a peace between these two important women in your life that was an attempt for you to end the scene with a climactic fight that would power you into the reunion and into the next season

5:56Ronnie Karam: and have somebody on your side for once in all of this so yeah we know we see you sir and um he's like yeah but you know lacy reached out to michelle when we first started dating and she wanted to know if michelle had boundaries and stuff and michelle didn't really take that the right way So I don't know where that's going to go. Okay. No mention of the cease and desist. Yeah. Yeah. Lacey just called Michelle. She just wanted to know about boundaries. There was no fuck you, bitch, or cease and desist. Yeah.

6:29Ben Mandelker: Lacey certainly gave a boundary. That's for sure. So Jesse is saying like, yeah, Michelle has made no effort. She wants nothing to do with this woman that spends half the week with her daughter. And it just doesn't make any logical sense to me. whatsoever. So, Justin,

6:47Ronnie Karam: now they talk about the baby and he's like, you know, it's making me crazy being at home all the time. And the Christian is like, I'm a prisoner. Christian doesn't want me to leave the house. And he's like, so you got the baby blues. And he's like, Oh, I haven't thought about it like that. Maybe I should dive into my feelings a little bit more. Wow. It's the therapy session with Dr. Jesse. No, it's a pretty pat way to say you're fucking depressed. Cause you got a baby, bro. It's normal. so maybe he can have a session with that

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7:31Ben Mandelker: yeah well this year is definitely a change lay it on me I've been there well our relationship is completely lacking in intimacy and it's tough which is to be expected right but like to some degree I guess it should be something that we should be really able to talk about and we haven't been able to talk about it. So Nia's we go back to Nia and she's like, how's Luke dealing with the way you're experiencing? Well, he gets it as well as he can get it, you know but he's like, oh, you know? Yeah, I mean, you're still in a relationship. He's like, can we have sex? Can we do this? Like, you're clear for that, right?

8:02Ben Mandelker: But I hate my body right now. And then it cuts back to Luke saying that basically she shuts down every advance because she doesn't feel secure about herself right now. And I don't think he's being, I think he's getting a little impatient with that.

8:16Ronnie Karam: Yeah, he wants to bow and she doesn't. You know, you hear it after every baby, almost like 90 % of babies, you hear it. And Luke's like, yeah, I just want to like turn off my emotions, but you know, and sweep everything under the rug, but then it's going to harden to cement and we're going to have permanent issues that we can't get rid of. So now we go to Lala, Janet and Michelle and they're going to El Coyote. Why do they keep going to El Coyote? That is not close to West Hollywood. That is so far. Why are you doing that?

8:47Ben Mandelker: Okay, there are actually a bunch of tremendous Mexican restaurants in the valley that they could go. They could have the same vibe. And I don't know why they were always slipping over to Beverly Boulevard to go to El Coyote, which is actually very mid to low tier of these kind of places. But they go. Yeah, go to Casavega. Yeah, Casavega.

9:05Ronnie Karam: Right down the street. It looks the same. Or that one place that's up on like Burbank Boulevard over by like Cuenco or something.

9:14Ben Mandelker: I don't know. There's a really good place. They're called like something in Taco. Oh, yeah.

9:18Ronnie Karam: I just went there.

9:19Ben Mandelker: What's it called? Tacos and beer?

9:21Ronnie Karam: Oh, tacos and beer. Ugh. I hate tacos and beer. Ugh. I hate that. That's so overrated, that place. Well, that is a place. Beer and salsa. Maybe it's beer and salsa.

9:34Ben Mandelker: You know, the one.

9:35Ronnie Karam: Something like that. I do know what.

9:36Ben Mandelker: Yeah, it's got two stories, like the big sort of thing. But at least it's closer. Just go there. If you're going to get crappy, you're going to say El Mercado.

9:46Ronnie Karam: That's the one I like. But yeah, I don't know. I guess they have a thing with El Coyote that they can go to. You know, like a shooting thing. Because they're like, oh my God, we love El Coyote for years. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crappens commercial.

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12:13Ronnie Karam: So Janet is like, oh my God, you guys, can I tell you something gross? When I was pregnant, I got a skin tag on my gooch. You know, that's like the area, like, you know what a gooch is, right guys? It's like between your vagina and your butthole. So I have like a skin tag down there and I want it removed so bad. Janet. How did you find it? The honey already doesn't like you. Why are you bringing in the skin Gooch as a secondary character? Like, why? Who's helping Janet? I mean, I don't even like Janet, but is there anyone in her life who's like, let's make a game plan for the season?

12:47Ben Mandelker: You know? I know. So how did you find it? It's like, is it still there? and she's like yeah it's still there but like it has to be a dermatologist to get rid of it because i want to be like okay where's the skin tag we're removing it and i'm like oh hold on let me take off my clothes and like bend over and spread it like oh my god you have to shave your bush though so they they arrive there they meet up with britney they get into her booth and janet's asking like oh how's your trip she's and michelle's like that's a big deal to go to cabo with

13:17Ronnie Karam: brandon yeah we spent five days together we didn't even drive each other crazy

13:27Ronnie Karam: is he your boyfriend officially no i'm gonna say yes yeah you know because brandon's like very emotionally stable and i'm like i don't know if that's sexy you know like i'm just used to coke heads and throwing furniture and you know threatening to threatening to kill me and stuff

13:42Ben Mandelker: Like, I don't know, it might be kinda boring you guys. I don't know. Um, emotional stability is normal. Yeah, I know, you have no idea how sexy that is. Brandon has BDA. He gives big dick energy because he's got a big one. It's personality and it's real. I really like him. I mean, he's a great person, but like, what if I got like bored because like things were like so good and like nice and I'm so used to chaos and trauma. Oh, yeah.

14:11Ronnie Karam: Can I help you find a therapist? Mine has really helped me. The first lesson she taught me was to use my baby as a weapon. So I just got into therapy, and it's so freeing to talk to somebody, you know? That's like an expert on life, though. Not on skin guiches, unfortunately. I tried to get her to remove that, and she wouldn't do it. I mean, what a wuss.

14:29Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I'm trying to be happy this air. Hey, hey, hey. So what's been going on with you guys? I feel like it's been only me talking for a few hours now. Michelle, how are you feeling? are you okay shots guys i've never had somebody like break up with me before and she's like dumb ass that's what he is he's dumb ass how's isabella doing with everything well when aaron and i broke up she cried she was like why do you guys have to break up and i felt really guilty she loved that

15:00Ronnie Karam: honey yeah don't feel guilty honey don't feel guilty we're all proud of you she's like well I have dried, but it is kind of confusing because like it is out of nowhere. Like suddenly he wants a witness girl and oh, Karen, what a pig. And she's like, what? And she's like, yeah, like I walk every day. I go to the gym and he's like, walking and hiking is not working out. Oh, so he wants like someone who works out more than Michelle. What a piece of shit. CrossFit.

15:31Ben Mandelker: I don't know. It's so stupid. and la's like um it's called cardio motherfuckers we ride at dawn so janet's like yeah going to the gym four days a week isn't enough it's like what an asshole yeah she's like not motivated like whatever hey i'm over here dipping my fajita in chase and she doesn't work out enough

15:51Ronnie Karam: by the way like once we broke up he started following all of these instagram models and she's like oh can i follow him now can i follow him now i'm gonna follow him i'm gonna follow right now and so they're like yeah fuck that guy girl power and uh she's like by the way the zibbenz is tomorrow at like 11 a.m and janet's like well when should i show up ha ha ha ha i dare you to show up janet because janet of course was not invited and for the second time in two seasons she's like i'm so glad that i wasn't invited to this so that i don't have to show up So that I don't have to say I'm not going to come.

16:30Ben Mandelker: Oh, Janet. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And Janet's like, you know, the thing is, like, I also don't care so much. Like, you know, I like I wish her well, but I can only control my behavior and how Kristen behaved at your house was gross. And that sucked. Yeah, it was odd. She was like carrying her baby and yelling at the same time. She's like, yeah, like two seconds later, you were gone. I was just like, what happened?

16:57Ronnie Karam: if you're not allowed to yell and carry your baby at the same time i never would have been held when did that become a rule you cannot yell while you're holding your baby you most certainly can so um they're all shocked and britney's like i was shook but i obviously i was not expecting that to happen because you know like otherwise i mean i thought everyone's gonna be fine it's pool party and janet's like yeah well she fucked that up didn't she so britney's telling us the usual like me janitor so so close she's been quite great great great friend of mine especially over everything i went through with jacks last year and it's like you know it's definitely something made me feel bad because you know like i want to stick up with my friends but it's hard for me you know i'm such a people pleaser and everything i like when she's trying so hard to be happy that she just starts bouncing her shoulders so you notice that she does that i just want to be a people pleaser.

17:52Ronnie Karam: Are you on a hate ride right now?

17:54Ben Mandelker: Why are you shaking your... She probably is. She probably has those green screens that you can attach to the back of your chair. She just has it back there, but she's actually on the hate ride. Realistically, what Brittany should have done was when Kristen was like, is Jenna going to be there? She should have said, you know what? She may be there. She may not be there. And I expect if she is there that you act like an adult and you'd like, she's my friend. And you just have to learn to get along with her. Instead of saying, I'm 99 % sure she won't be there I mean she's probably going to bail in the last second so you should probably come anyway that's actually not how you should do it because you're kind of like feeding in to this idea of like if she comes she's like this boogeyman and we'll manage her it should be like she's my friend I invited her if you have a problem with that that's going to be on you but I expect you to just behave accordingly

18:41Ronnie Karam: and I think she didn't really manage that situation you should say like you can't come to a kids party and start yelling at somebody. Like, grow up. Like, please don't do that or leave. You know, yeah, she should do that. So Janet's like, yeah, because Cameron was bawling his eyes out and I had to strap him into his car seat while he was bawling. Do you know how hard that is? And after driving and saying, we're going to swim with Cruz, puffing his chest out and screaming and crying into the car, he didn't even get to swim with Cruz. Do you know what that's like? I left in tears. And Brittany's like, oh, I cried a lot too.

19:17Ben Mandelker: Oh, please. Brendan did not cry all night. I cried so hard when I saw that little angel crying in the car. You didn't see me in my car. Oh. Well, I'd imagine it somehow, and I cried all night long.

19:30Ronnie Karam: And Jenna's like, well, you could have said, Kristen, this isn't the time or place, you know? But, like, you know, to go to a party and have somebody be saying, why is she here? She doesn't deserve to be here. I haven't felt like that since the 7th grade and the 8th grade and the 9th grade. I mean, really, high school. College. Okay, college, too. Really. Okay, I feel like that every day, pretty much. But still, I had a child this time. A child. I was bullied, and I'm not going to continue just showing up places where I'm getting yelled at.

20:03Ben Mandelker: You might want a different job. I guess you won't be going to the next BravoCon. So. And we go to Nia and Kristen's sip and see. And Nia's there for a second. I'm so excited for everyone to meet Adelaide, but I'm also excited to be back in my old hood, back in civilization, the valley. Oh, electricity. It's such a privilege to have it. You don't realize until you move to Santa Clarita. Feels good to be home.

20:32Ronnie Karam: Well, let me just shout out this restaurant for being cute because it's the first one this episode that's like a cute decorated restaurant. It was cute. That looks nice. So congrats to that restaurant because, man, we suffered through this episode. But it looked really cute. But I love that Nia's like, oh, my God, finally, I'm back to the glamorous world of the valley. It's been so bad where she is. And Zach's like, where's Kristen? Commercials. Here comes one right now.

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23:12Ronnie Karam: And everyone's wondering, where is Kristen? So we go over to Kristen's house and Luke's like, are you pooping again? To the baby, I presume. And she's like, I need to brush my teeth real quick. Oh, we're like so late.

23:26Ben Mandelker: Schwartz, meanwhile, at the party, is saying, I want a baby. Jasmine's like, okay, well, you need to get it together. Stop going to Vegas. Doing these little Vegas parties. So Michelle shows up. Hello, everyone. So, Nia, please tell me when you are done. Are you done having babies? She's like, I am done. No, I say four under four. How about one more, baby?

23:50Ronnie Karam: You guys are more insane than even I am. and I'm Tupac. And Danny's like, no, I wake up every day to Nia with scissors, and she's wanting to cut my wiener. And I'm like, no, I'm not ready. So here come Kristen and Luke finally getting there. And everyone's like, oh, my God, congratulations. You had a baby. Brittany's like, you are so pretty. Look at your dress. Oh, my God, baby, baby, where are you crying? Baby, don't cry on me. Where's your pacifier? Don't cry on me, baby. Okay, I'm going to walk you around. This baby's crying on me. Come on. There's your mama. There's your mama. Crown your mama.

24:24Ronnie Karam: Crown your mama.

24:25Ben Mandelker: You're a cool gal. So Tom is like, hey, Michelle, you want a drink? Sure, I'll do the baby shot. He's like, okay. So wait, Michelle, have you ever seen how Stella got her groove back? Look at me and then ask that question again. Do I look like someone who's watching you?

24:44Ronnie Karam: Do you know anything about my personality? Of course, I have never seen that. What is a groove? And how did you lose it?

24:53Ben Mandelker: I didn't know a groove was something you could even have.

24:57Ronnie Karam: Well, not that your groove wasn't ever there, but like, you're gorgeous. You are so gorgeous. Like, I will take compliments. Okay, yeah, I guess keep them coming. Hold on, let me think of another one. You're gorgeous. Okay, you've used that one.

25:11Ben Mandelker: Sleeping with Taytigs. Wow, you got your groove back. I don't even understand any of this right now.

25:20Ronnie Karam: I think we're on similar journeys. Like, I'm trying to live, and I'm trying to laugh, and so are you, right? She's like, yes. So, wait, are you dogging about that movie Eid Bray Love? That is what I'm trying, or Eid Love Bray? That is what I'm trying to do, Eid Love and Bray.

25:37Ben Mandelker: No, I'm talking about the movie Pray Eat Love. That's what I'm doing. We're basically just like two Julia Roberts right now. Oh, my God. It's like, oh, my God, they would be so cute together. Look at them. If I could at least hang out. Are you out of your damn mind? Tom's quirky and weird and Michelle's just like sandpaper Jasmine's like well maybe that's what they need that opposites attract right

25:59Ronnie Karam: no so they're having the most basic like let's try this for a storyline conversation he's like I still believe in love she's like I do as well you do that's sweet as hell we should date well I just went through a divorce and somebody broke up with me he's like well I'm glad you're not jaded so sad

26:21Ben Mandelker: I don't know what your type is. It's not so much a type. It's more like an age, which unfortunately will be working against you. It's also a chemistry thing.

26:30Ronnie Karam: Yeah, and I saw that. Wait, I did think of a type. Young. Oh, okay. It's not age specific.

26:38Ben Mandelker: Helvetica.

26:39Ronnie Karam: That's type face.

26:41Ben Mandelker: Oh.

26:41Ronnie Karam: So I saw that you went to Vodazba. That is my spot. And he's like, I love Vodazba. I know. I saw it on your Instagram. It's the best. you want to go to Voto's bar together? I'll go to Voto's bar with you. It's like, okay. So they make a date and she is like, let's have a night out on the town. And she goes, yes, we'll do something. Anything spiritual. Shut up. That's almost as bad as somebody, you know, like Aaron invited you on a fitness date. If anybody said, let's do it. Yeah, let's go out. Anything spiritual. Well,

27:12Ben Mandelker: you know, they say the best relationships start on the foundation of going to Voto's bar. You like Voto's bar. You like Voto's bar. wow, let's get married. So now Jesse arrives with Lacey. And then Lala has something to say. She's like, oh my God. When I was shaving my face, I literally fucking nipped my lip. I didn't notice, but now I do. You're good. You look good. She's like, great.

27:39Ronnie Karam: So Michelle sees Jesse come in with Lacey. And she's like, what the fuck is she doing here? Nobody told me she was coming because she was like, I will never in my life film. So why is she filming then? And Lala's like, yeah, Lacey. That's not like a common name. So where'd that name even come from? Like, she's someone named Lacey.

27:59Ben Mandelker: Lacey is more common than Lala. I'll tell you that much. Well, Lala's made up. So Michelle's like, oh, are we allowed to sing her name this year? Lacey. Her and I have a difficult situation because just as a reminder, this is the same woman who had her lawyer send me a cease and desist and i met lacy's ex-boyfriend and i was like oh my god she sent me a cease and desist and he was like i got one too like she throws them out to everyone she's like a little insane you know i have to say after watching

28:34Ronnie Karam: this episode michelle seems insane because lacy lacy played this well if lacy's just faking it she played this very well because she comes in like calm and sweet and michelle is just going to everyone she can, being like, oh my god, I am dealing with a person who thinks she knows everything, and she wants everybody to love her. I can just tell. Doesn't everybody? Like, why is that such a weird thing? And Lala's like, well, she's got a banging body. I mean, I mean, studio, but still, she's fucking hot.

29:02Ben Mandelker: All that matters. Like, she may be crazy, she may have given you a cease and desist, but she's got a banging body. So, that shows some dedication.

29:11Ronnie Karam: She is not my gob of D, and I love D. I'm spiritual. So Lala's like, Lala's chatting with Zach and Luke and Kristen. She's like, oh my God, Kristen, I can't believe you have a baby. Like, I have to tell you something that you might not think is funny, but like, I thought it was kind of funny. So we were talking, me and my mom, and my mom goes, oh my God, your baby looks kind of like Luke. My baby, Susser, you know, Susser. It's the blue eyes. And I was like, oh my God, it does look like Luke.

29:37Ben Mandelker: And Zach, well, he needed some extra money when he moved to LA. and looks like no i mean when you were reading the profiles or whatever i was like that could be me she's like oh shit can you imagine he's like wait did you donate sperm he's like yeah and i guess they didn't realize that they thought he was just joking and lala's eyes bulged like wait a second this is actually not funny so luke tells us that in his senior year of college he donated the same sperm bank that lala used and we see flashback to that party that she had on Vanderpump Rules, where she was reading the profile and was like, he's 6 '2".

30:11Ben Mandelker: He's lean and has athletic build. It's like, I'm 6 '2". I'm lean. I've got an athletic build. For fun, I like to go to Vincent Van Gogh impersonation contests. I do that. I go to Van Gogh impersonation contests. Oh, my God.

30:26Ronnie Karam: He has a blank look in his eyes for no reason at all. You can ask him a question and then you have to flick him on the forehead to get an answer out of him. Wait a minute. That was really long, but I do all of those things.

30:39Ben Mandelker: Can fix a party van on the fly. Wait a second. I've done that.

30:45Ronnie Karam: Lives in a off the grid, no electricity household with no running water and expects girlfriend to move in with him. Wait a minute. Did you have my baby? So how did he donate sperm when he was in college to the same sperm tank? Did she get her sperm in Missouri or where is he living in? Where does he live? He lives in Colorado. Was he in LA maybe? I don't know. I don't know. That sounds fishy. I don't believe it. So she's like, oh my God, hold on. Are you fucking with me right now? And Zach's like, I know. I was like, wait a second. And they're like, uh-oh. He gave a deposit and it disappeared.

31:25Ronnie Karam: So now Lala's like, oh my God, I did not have on my bingo cards that he'd been a sperm donor at the same cryobank I got salsa from. So now Chris is such a stepmom. Oh, fuck no. Oh, fuck no.

31:37Ben Mandelker: I think it's time for a paternity test. I think that'd be great if they did that.

31:42Ronnie Karam: Where's Maury? Lala comes with a fake parent storyline to start us off. So Lacey goes over to say hi to Michelle. And so she's like, hi. Michelle's like, hi. I didn't even know you were gumming. She goes, oh. Nobody told me. Oh, well, at least it's nice ambiance with, like, babies and stuff here

32:09Ben Mandelker: Yeah, less can go wrong I know, it's a perfect little cute event

32:16Ronnie Karam: Well, I'm happy to see you You do seem happy and, like, healthy And, like, in a good place, so

32:27Ben Mandelker: Well, as you know, we are in a much better place than we were last summer.

32:32Ronnie Karam: I empathize with, I'm sorry, I empathize with that.

32:37Ben Mandelker: Oh, are you divorced? Yeah. Oh, I didn't know if you were officially divorced or I don't know anything about you, in fact.

32:47Ronnie Karam: Oh, well, I'm divorced. Listen, I don't want to fight with any woman going through a divorce. so we had a rough start i know i'm sorry so i thought lacy's being totally nice and michelle's not michelle's like oh really oh you're divorced now oh you really like michelle's ready to pounce

33:10Ben Mandelker: and lacy's just playing very nice she's like well yeah yeah i was very amused i mean michelle was being like so cold you know i think she was she was being cold and then when she said i don't know anything about you i was like oh michelle but then i was and i was like wow this lazy girl seems innocent but then as she as lazy was talking i was like but she sent a cease and desist

33:32Ronnie Karam: like let's not ever forget that because jesse's telling her that they're slandering her on camera so she's like stopped fucking we're trying to ruin my reputation on camera i'm not even there

33:42Ben Mandelker: to defend myself i mean yeah but still i was just like you know i understand why michelle's mad She's like, wait a second. This girl is sending me a cease and desist to the mother of the little girl that you are half taken care of during the week. So once I remembered that, I was like, oh, I'm not falling for this lazy bullshit here.

34:05Ronnie Karam: Well, listen, I don't know if I'm falling for it or not. I'm just going to say that she is playing this much better than Michelle. Because she's like, okay, my first time on camera, I'm just going to go be nice to Michelle. and have like, and Michelle's not going to let her do it. And so Michelle's going to come off looking worse.

34:22Ben Mandelker: Well, the audience already doesn't really like Michelle. So I think she's kind of like, well, whatever. I've got nothing to lose. I don't have any fans. They stuck me at the end of the sofa at the reunion, which was insulting enough. So Jesse is like, well, Michelle and Lacey speaking is the best case scenario for all of us. You know, hopefully it's just the beginning of what could grow into a Thanksgiving together.

34:41Ronnie Karam: Oh God. Okay. That's a little far. so Michelle's like well all I need is a divorce and I'm done so Asgim designed the divorce then Asgim designed it if you do not want to fight with a divorced lady and she's like but I'm like team divorce yeah well I made it easy for him I walk away with nothing so yeah I don't know the

35:04Ben Mandelker: financials but I'm just hoping you guys have a good healthy resolutions like already then And this session is closed. Have a great day.

35:19Ronnie Karam: So, well done, Lacey. Well done. Because Michelle looks cray cray to me. So, she goes over to Lala. And Lala's like, I saw you. And she's like, I do not trust her. I've seen her be super nice. And I've also seen her be super rude to me. And so, she tells us that last summer, leading up to the Yamashiro Zen Party night, Jesse kept begging her to call Lacey and have conversations. And she would say, it's not the time. And I don't want to have a conversation with this girl. And so this girl who said she's never going to film shows up to my Zen party when there's cameras everywhere to film at the finale.

35:52Ronnie Karam: And so we see a flashback to Lacey showing up. And she's like, well, I mean, I guess you guys are shooting up all night. You guys are still shooting. I thought shooting was over. He told me shooting was over. I'm sorry. And Jeremiah's like, there's cameras here. There are cameras right there. We're still shooting. We're not wrapped. And she's like, OK, geez.

36:11Ben Mandelker: you know it's bad when the producer of the show is like being like get the fuck out of here bitch because like they're i'm sure they also were served some cease and desist about you know about

36:21Ronnie Karam: like don't mention my name on this show no i think the thing the problem what what it seemed i'm saying no but i don't know i wasn't there but what i'm getting from the clip that we saw is she was going to come in and shoot and jeremiah and then she was like but i can't shoot and i thought you were done shooting and jeremiah's like well then why are you why are you fucking here why are you fucking here she i think they were like trying to get her on camera and then jesse got really pissed off and then jesse goes up to this producer and he's like not cool jeremiah not fucking cool and he's like well we're not we're not fucking rap jesse and he's like well you can't fucking do this so i don't know if jesse was accusing them of trying to shoot her when she wasn't supposed to

37:01Ben Mandelker: or trying to block her from i don't know i don't know what it was what i loved was the unblurring of her face in this whole thing you know it reminds me of like one of those those tv shows where you see some there's some critical thing that happened some flashback and then like three seasons later we see the flashback again and the camera pans the right it turns out there was this character that was there all along um and that's what i was like oh this is fun i feel like we've never had someone get unblurred before so i enjoyed that tells us if don't fall for lazy's

37:33Ronnie Karam: bullshit. In front of your vase, she'll be super nice and sweet, but behind closed doors, she's a bitch.

37:41Ben Mandelker: Yeah. And then we see that Brock is like, she can't get out of the call. She had to have an NDA. She can't film. And they're like, why'd you come here? Why'd you come here, Lacey? Michelle's telling us, Jesse's chaotic. Lacey's chaotic. The two of them together are just insanity. And we still see there was like there was like screaming and someone's like, it was a place of business. to stop yelling at each other you know like there was definitely shit that was going down between

38:07Ronnie Karam: them and we didn't see and this is another point of evidence that maybe lacy's not the crazy one because we don't see lacy yelling michelle's making it sound like lacy came in there and started screaming yelling at everybody but all we've seen is the clip of lacy being like well i thought you guys were done shooting i didn't know and then we see this grainy footage in the bar and michelle we see michelle yelling at her we see michelle telling her off but we don't see lacy yelling and michelle says she was being bossy and telling me what to do and like how our friendship's going to be and it doesn't really work that way so what what was she saying like we can be friends or it doesn't sound that bad i like what lacy did i don't know but i'm it doesn't sound like that bad and michelle's like and at the end of the conversation she's screaming at me and she said i have all the money in the world and i don't care i'll sue you and i'll win but But then when we see the clip, we don't see any of that.

38:59Ben Mandelker: I don't know. I think that like if you send someone a cease and desist and remember she sent it to like like several people in the cast. Right. It wasn't just even Michelle. I think a lot of people got letters. But then you're going to show up like, OK, to hang out with the cast after shooting is done. Like that doesn't make there's something a little deranged to me about that. If I'm sending a cease and desist to a group of people, I'm not then trying to linger directly after they stop shooting the season finale. And then on top of that, maybe even try to be part of the season finale because Jesse's trying to broker her to come on camera and then have a discussion.

39:34Ben Mandelker: There's something that's not adding up. The math isn't mathing. And I don't know. And yeah, maybe Michelle went off on her. But again, Michelle is going through a divorce from hell from a narcissist. and then this guy is trying to force this woman into into her life to have like this is someone's gonna be in your child's life and sending you already sending you cease and desist it's like i would be at a breaking point too quite frankly yeah i can see how all of that would be annoying

40:03Ronnie Karam: and i was on michelle's side with this whole thing last season and i blame jesse frankly for all of this because jesse's obviously the one causing it's like oh they're talking about you and they're going into filming and they're saying this and this yes sure so you should file a cease and desist. And then he's like, okay, now I guess, you know, if we want you to film, you got to be friends with the cast. So show up and maybe try and make nice with the cast or make nice with Michelle. And he's doing all this stuff behind the scenes. And she's like, no, fuck this girl. I'm not, I don't have to do it just because he wants her on the show.

40:30Ronnie Karam: So it seems like she's trying to just be like, no, this is my show. And I don't want this girl on the show, which I don't really blame her. But if he is going to be dating this girl, the show is about you guys and who you're dating and what you're doing. So I don't know. It's just the only way, it's not like I'm on Lacey's side, okay? I think Jesse is a piece of shit. I think the ultimate piece of shit here is still Jesse Lolly. I'm not gonna blame either Michelle or Lacey for any of this, but we're all concentrating on that because that's what's on camera. But I'm just saying, I'm getting a sense here that she might not be as evil as they've been leading us to believe because everything that we've seen, everything we're seeing is her being okay and Michelle being weird.

41:15Ronnie Karam: So I get that it's like kind of a thing where maybe it's kind of baiting Michelle by like, oh, I'm going to go over and act nice and just watch Michelle stew or fume or whatever. So maybe it is that, but I don't know. It'll be interesting.

41:28Ben Mandelker: I would say I would, I mean, I agree. I think Jesse is the primary issue here. I mean, he could have, if I may apply some Teresa Giudice logic, Like, you should have made your girlfriend. You should have made her stop. You know, like, that's what Teresa would always say about Joe and Melissa. Like, why didn't you tell your wife to ever stop doing these things? But, or, so I don't, I do think that, like, Jesse should have said, hey, do not send the cease and desist to Michelle. I know you're mad at her. That's the mother of my child. It's just going to make things worse. And he didn't. And I think the fact that he does not step in in that situation is really shitty.

42:02Ben Mandelker: And it's huge.

42:03Ronnie Karam: Oh, I think he caused it. A hundred percent.

42:05Ben Mandelker: Probably, yeah. He's definitely playing the women against each other. but I don't think it's a situation of like, Oh, Lacey seems like she's nice and Michelle's coming up. Like Michelle's being the one who's acting kind of crazy. I think Michelle is just at her wits and she just wants to divorce this guy. And all he is doing is just enmeshing her more and more in his awful life. She sees this girl. She's like, I don't want to have anything to do with Jesse. Like, I think Lacey at this point is collateral damage for Michelle. Like she sees red. it is probably deflected projected emotions toward jesse that she's putting on lacy lacy seemed like she was perfectly fine at the party more or less i mean we're just i'm i'm making inferences about like i don't like she's did this cease and desist at the party she was perfectly fine michelle was more of the mean person but i also see michelle as someone who is just at her wits end and driven nuts and being psychologically tortured by jesse lolly and she's just not going to put up with it anymore and if it means that she's going to be a total bitch to Lacey and that's her retaliation and that's going to be her retaliation.

43:09Ben Mandelker: So I was all for it personally.

43:13Ronnie Karam: Well, I was all for it as far as entertainment factor. That's for sure. Cause, and you know, I love a little mystery, like a little human psychology mystery, but just the way Michelle was talking, like when she said, um, you know, then she comes up to the party and she's trying to boss me around and telling me how our friendship is going to go. That sounds to me like Lacey came up to her and said, Hey, I think, you know, we should try to be friends and we shouldn't be fighting with each other michelle's like don't boss me around to me that's what it sounds like so it sounds like that's all the time you know it sounds like this new girl is trying to make nice with the ex and the ex is like fuck you i'm not making fucking nice with you get the fuck off my set that's what it came off to me as but you know we don't know we don't have any way of knowing until the show but we have a feeling i have a feeling we're about

43:56Ben Mandelker: to get some more empirical evidence this season because now lacy is unblurred and she's in the ring. Lacey's a blurred. And Lacey does end the episode by saying, yeah, it was a fine interaction. Maybe you're the problem, Jesse. Yeah. This is like the traitors. When someone like almost, it's like, this is like Maura Higgins, like, I thought you were the traitor for a second. I'm not. Well, never mind then. Ah, never mind. Yeah, never mind then.

44:23Ronnie Karam: All right. Well, that was fine.

44:25Ben Mandelker: Welcome back, Valley. Nice to have you here. Looking forward to many more weeks of sad joy from you.

44:31Ronnie Karam: I wonder how many times I said sad in that recap. I think I said it probably 500 times.

44:42Ronnie Karam: Alright, everybody. Thanks so much for being here. We will be back later today with Southern Hospital. We'll talk to you later. Bye.

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