#3295 RHOBH S15E16 Part One: One Foot Out The Dorit

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1:27Ben Mandelker: bravo that we just love to talk about i'm ben mandelker and joining me today it's the one the

1:32Ronnie Karam: only the be denimed ronnie carom how are you well hello how are you i am how are you as kyle says on real housewives of beverly hills when she comes into any party she goes how are you um i hope you're having a very good friday today because it's good friday um so happy good friday

1:56Ben Mandelker: and happy easter to all my all my christian friends and happy passover to all my fellow jewish friends and if you are celebrating another holiday this weekend happy holiday and to all the

2:07Ronnie Karam: all the you that just hide random eggs in your backyard for children to find or rot if they're never found for animals to eat the rest of the year you know more power to you weirdos this is

2:18Ben Mandelker: also just a rant just a reminder that you have about two or three days left to uh decide impulsively to purchase a Cadbury cream egg from the supermarket and then eat it and just and say to yourself this

2:30Ronnie Karam: is why i only eat this once one time a year and really disgusting really disgusting although i

2:37Ben Mandelker: have to say i so i did that um like a week ago i was like well i'm gonna have my Cadbury cream egg of the year where i where i'm drawn to it and then i eat it and i say why am i having this but this time it was delicious and i was like what it's not supposed to be delicious it's supposed to be like chocolatey and too sweet and you say never again i was like wait why was it so good this year it was so good i don't know maybe it's you know they're starting to take all the bad

3:03Ronnie Karam: stuff out because they can't afford to keep putting it in because the economy or whatever

3:06Ben Mandelker: i don't know the tariffs are actually improving cat brick remakes the one the one beneficiary of of this entire ridiculous tariff situation i will say they're like we can't afford the nuclear

3:16Ronnie Karam: waste anymore all right i guess we're just gonna have to put sugar in there oh god all right here's

3:21Ben Mandelker: an idea real chocolate it was really good i was actually like really upset it was so good um and the other thing is that like one one thing one easter candy that is not that i i really do have a hard time staying away from are right next to cadbury eggs are now its new competitor the reese's egg which is like divine that no notes on that one you ever get the reese's egg i've had a reese's

3:46Ronnie Karam: egg it crumbled and didn't crumble but it like came apart weirdly like the both the halves came apart or whatever and i don't know you know it's just we're getting that look like a tanning bed yeah kind of yeah like a isolated person on the inside uh yeah is it was yours gooey on the inside

4:06Ben Mandelker: mine wasn't no it's the thing is it's never gooey it's just like a peanut butter cup and egg shape

4:11Ronnie Karam: that's all but it's like a really great peanut butter maybe you know i think i've gotten this thing when i'm trying to lose weight that i'm like i'm not gonna eat candy but then you know when i do want to bench out on something all i have are the non-candy things and so i learned that i learned to eat those instead so i'll have like a scoop of peanut butter and then some chocolate chips instead of a Reese's Pieces and that is so damn good it's actually really good So then going back to like a Reese's pieces, I was like, gross. Of course, a Reese's pieces is probably a quarter of the calories as full scoops of peanut butter with actual chocolate chips.

4:48Ronnie Karam: You know what I mean? Yeah. But yeah, once I had that, I was like, wow, this is the way to go.

4:54Ben Mandelker: That Reese's peanut butter is actually sweetened. So it's a different peanut butter thing. So like one does not replace the other for me. That being said, anyway, and everyone enjoy your candy this weekend. We could probably talk about this for too much, but too long. but we got a big show today. Quick reminder, on Monday, you better come join us for crappy hour because there's a lot to talk about every day. I mean, every single day, this, you know, Amanda West Sierra thing, there's just another silly headline. So whatever the latest roundup is, we'll be doing that Monday. So that's going to be 5.30 West Coast time, 8.30 East Coast time.

5:30Ben Mandelker: I know you all have things to say about it. I know you guys all want to weigh in. there's a lot going on there are a lot of layers to this story so but come join us for crappy hour monday night also we have our amazon live monday afternoon so come join us for that as well we'll probably talk about it there too who knows amazon live got you know got drawn into this scandal so you know hey um and then patreon come join us at patreon.com slash watch or crap ends for your bonus episodes we did last week's episode of survivor i don't know if we'll do this week's because it was two hours and honestly ronnie i think that's a lot to cover for a bonus episode

6:08Ronnie Karam: that's ridiculous i started watching that last night and i was like why are you doing this to me

6:12Ben Mandelker: why why why it was it was not a great episode either i was it was i will say that this i'm not gonna say any spoilers but jeff probes got up there for like 10 minutes and was like we decided we have to change what this immunity means it's gonna be the biggest craziest thing it's gonna to be the blood moon the blood moon of survivors could change the game you're gonna vote out three people i was like you've already had last week you voted out two people why is three people

6:40Ronnie Karam: gonna like impress us because they started with 90 i like when he said that he's like okay we're gonna this is gonna be the biggest challenge gift ever prize ever awarded and i was like outback steakhouse applebee's okay only like applebee's has got it down man because only when you're that starving are you like oh my god applebee's they're like hugging each other and crying like oh finally applebee's i can't wait to have iceberg lettuce slathered in in mayo oh god now if applebee's

7:14Ben Mandelker: wants to be a sponsor watch what happens of course we'll have a different opinion about that but

7:18Ronnie Karam: or i'll be like a dj up here changing my tune i'll be like we could feel good in neighborhood

7:26Ben Mandelker: honestly i do like applebee's but um uh but yeah that was crazy and i'm like really like there's nothing you did not fundamentally change this game you just added one more elimination like that changes nothing that's the natural progress of the game you just called it the blood moon like it was fucking zelda and shout out to the girl who mentioned zelda and that's what i thought too i was like this is zelda the blood moon tiffany but um uh i was like you really i mean i honestly at that point with that much hype about how this is gonna be a game changer i would have been happy if you said the twist is zach brown is joining zach brown and billy eilish are joining the game

8:07Ronnie Karam: i'm like that would make me happy at this point you know i would love to see billy eilish's tired ass and by tired i mean literally she just always looks like i'm like how do you work so hard she's just so tired and i think that's why i like her because she's a tired person you know she still gets a lot done and i respect her for someone's so tired she's doing a lot on this literally the

8:34Ben Mandelker: episode opened up with like you got the billy eilish boomerang idol this fucking billy i swear to god i swear to god someone better take all those idols and throw them in the ocean i'm sick of it okay but we have actually

8:51Ronnie Karam: you guys the point in all of this rambling is that kyle is an asshole so let's get to it real housewives of beverly hills season 15 episode 16 the last supper happy easter or that's a religious reference for all there we go that's true they did time that out right

9:07Ben Mandelker: what i i thought this was a great episode and um you know andy's been going on and on about like what this season of beverly hills is i love it i'm like well that's probably because he he's seen his last week's was good this episode was really good he's probably seen these last few episodes and now he's like the whole season was amazing but it's like no the whole season was not amazing

9:26Ronnie Karam: but this is really good i'm curious he started with the whole season is amazing okay the second the two-thirds of the season is amazing then it was the second half of the season is amazing and by it's by this time it's like the last 10 minutes of this season are incredible like whatever you

9:46Ben Mandelker: could do you know but it did have this i did think this was an incredible fight between erica dorit and kyle because they are the three remaining members of the fox force 5 and they are truly crumbling and i don't know i haven't i look i'm not gonna adjust my opinion for what social media says, but I always like to see what the vibe is. I always think that's like fascinating and seeing am I like within the standard deviation? Am I not? And, um, so I have no idea. I'm not taking the temperature of what everyone is saying. So if this causes people to take out your pitchforks against me, so be it.

10:20Ben Mandelker: I thought this was Erica Jane's best episode of all time. I thought the way she sat, you didn't think so. Okay. Well, why, why? Well, first of all, it's a low bar. she does not have really too many good episodes i can't be i thought the way i get my opinion away right away i'm like no because i thought the way would dorit was basically like bose has supported me more than anyone else and erica was like oh this i thought the way that erica just took out to read like the way she just handled to read i thought was actually so impressive erica's like oh you're not gonna with me on this one who the do you think you i've waited for you too long I thought like, cause Kyle's like, Doreen, that's not nice.

11:00Ben Mandelker: Everyone says, Erica just goes in for the kill. And I thought the way she handled that situation, the way she was so direct, it was like, you are not going to fuck with me. I thought it was like, I was like, work, work, Erica Jane. You know, even though I've been on Doreen's side this whole, this whole time, I thought Doreen was disrespectful to Erica in that moment, believe it or not. And I thought Erica was great. What do you, you didn't think so?

11:24Ronnie Karam: You know, I think Erica's just Kyle's attack dog and she's not doing anything. she has no storyline and she's like okay we're gonna go for Dorit okay fine let's go for Dorit and she doesn't care she's bored she's like all right I'll come for Dorit I'll join you you know she kind of sits on the side it's like yeah Dorit yeah it's like don't you talk to me Erica so that's what she did last week and then this week she tried to make it all about herself and cried and stuff which I thought was funny but ultimately the problem I have with Erica is the same problem I've always had that she's like a you are fighter you know she doesn't ever really have an argument.

11:56Ronnie Karam: She's just like, you are. She's like, you're a bitch. You're a bitch. You know, that makes me crazy. Like, you are. And she did that a lot in this episode. Look, it's hard to be on Dorit's side with the late thing because that is the rudest fucking thing in the world. And to be like, well, I'm late because I'm getting a divorce. No, you're not late. You're late because you're being a stupid butt face who has to like spend 10 hours in glam. That's why you're late. You're an idiot. Stop being late. It's fucking rude, period. that i'm not on dorit's side for at all and if they just kept it to you're late i would be like yes stoner stoner in the streets you know because i'm down with that not stoning but um people not being late and i would have been there but this whole like but everybody says it and then erica's just jumping in with kyle i don't i don't i don't like it i'm saying i think it jumper my

12:44Ben Mandelker: interpretation was not that my interpretation was that like kyle was doing her typical like but everyone says so everyone says so everyone says so and you're like okay shut up kyle i thought like erica was just like you know just watching her two friends whatever and the moment that like to read is like bows is the the one who has supported me the most over the past year or two has been bows and erica's like you know what fuck this bitch because i've waited around for her all this time and i think that actually the crux of erica's complaint was about the lateness and like i I thought when she like, she went in on Dorit about being late all the time as like, you think you're the only one?

13:21Ben Mandelker: She's like, well, I'm checking on my kids. She's trying to basically pull like the, pull this card. She's like, well, okay, fine. And then Erica, and by the way, I'm not saying that Dorit is necessarily wrong. When Dorit says like, I had to find out all this stuff from the tabloids, not from Erica. I think that's a great point that Dorit makes. But I do think that Erica was like, you just were so disrespectful. I put up with so much bullshit from you and I've had to wait around. I'm in Italy and I had to wait around. I had to spend my day walking through a ghost town. I couldn't even enjoy my gelato.

13:51Ben Mandelker: My gelato. And you're being an asshole and you're making it seem like you're the only one going through shit. I actually think this was a totally, totally valid use of you are fighting here. So I was, I was a fan.

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16:04Ronnie Karam: All right, well, let's get into it. Let's get in. We begin at this last supper. Jesus is about to be betrayed because Judas has gotten 30 things of gold to betray him. Dun, dun, dun. Of course, there's not a lot of bread being wrapped around because this is Beverly Hills and not the real Bible. And these people are like, I'm not eating bread.

16:24Ben Mandelker: No. no clearly the food is just rotating around and no one's actually eating from it because by the way at a certain point after the everything after all the dust settles kyle realizes there's like a plate of food in front of her she's like get this away from me um but also i so funny that it's called the last supper but um or the last dinner whatever they called it but uh it's actually not the season finale i thought it was like oh is this the season finale like no it seemed like it

16:49Ronnie Karam: it seemed like it we had this fight then they all go home and then rachel has a party and it's like the season finale party we're done you know it's like right they yell it to read again we're done and then they're like and next week i was like oh on the not season finale i was like what wait is next week the season finale did it say season finale it has to be come on

17:13Ben Mandelker: i don't know i don't know so anyway we were here and uh kyle is mad and she's like stop just stop you're being too much you're being too much oh i'm being too much cars are crossed i do by the way this is also my favorite version of kyle where kyle's like i mean i think kyle's wrong but i love when kyle gets really mad i think that's like more of the authentic kyle and by the way remember last week i pontificated about kyle and like how she always needs to have like an alpha when you watch this you really can see she is just playing out her entire relationship with kim through Dorit. Like, it's so obvious.

17:51Ben Mandelker: It's actually really interesting to watch to me.

17:53Ronnie Karam: Oh, yeah. Even when she yelled at Kathy, like, who are you going to stand up for, Kathy? What kind of sister are you going to be right now? Whose sister are you anyway? Which is the same thing she did with Kim. I don't know, Kyle, I see what you're saying is her being more entertaining when she's mad. I think it's just because she's doing something at all. And it's like when you clean your own house for years and years, and it's horrible, and it's drudgery and then you get a cleaning person for the first time and they're terrible and they only do half the job and you still have to pay them but at least somebody's doing something and you just sit there and sniff the house like oh my god it smells so much better even if they're not really doing that much and that's totally kyle's a lazy cleaning lady so um she is still yelling at dorit and she's like but bo's was literally telling me that you're in a financial crisis and you don't know what your name is on things and like you don't know the situation with your money and like i don't even know that stuff and you're telling bows that stuff and she's totally throwing bows under the seat and i love that bows doesn't even care she's just nodding like yeah so yeah i mean

18:52Ben Mandelker: yeah i said it sue me yeah exactly and so dorit is like but the thing i said to bows i don't know why you're telling kyle about your concerns and bows like well you know i've been concerned about your finances and that's not a new conversation between you and i by the way bows always says that and sometimes i wonder i think it is a new conversation but you just say it's not a new conversation so like people get distracted because i have to think did we have that conversation okay i just have to assume we did have that conversation i don't want to seem like i'm not listening so she just says and we talked about that and i do believe kyle is very concerned for you and i believe you i believe it was a genuine conversation and she's basically saying yeah like like i wasn't trying to i wasn't breaking your confidence i didn't think i was but i'm sorry if I genuinely felt.

19:38Ben Mandelker: And I told you that, don't you remember?

19:41Ronnie Karam: Yeah, she's using the like, well, I said it to your face, so it's okay if I said it behind your back thing. But I think she's, I think Dorit's just mad because she's like, you're basically talking to someone, you know, who doesn't have my best interest at heart. So why would you talk, like Kyle baited you into talking about me basically. And Dorit's like, well, thank you. You know, I appreciate you saying I'm sweet. And Kyle's like, oh, oh, oh, of course, of course, because both of that, both of that, But I'm sorry. So of course it's okay with her, but it's not okay for me She both isn't the one like confronting her at every group event Kyle both isn't the one taking her off and like to an abandoned town and god knows where To confront her about shit.

20:22Ronnie Karam: You're the one doing it

20:24Ben Mandelker: And kyle's like on fucking believable Oh, boz and I are saying the exact same thing except it's from when it comes from my lips It's coming from a trained actresses lips I mean boz is great and she's sweet and thoughtful for saying that But when I say it, I get my head bit off and she lives and breathes to find a problem with me. That's because you went out of your way to say, oh, her behavior is so erratic. I'm concerned. Whereas like Bozo's like, oh, I think she has an, I think she has a looming financial crisis coming, which is going to be stressful for her. But you're like, but you called and were like, ooh, something's wrong with Dorit.

20:55Ben Mandelker: And it was much more about like rabble rousing than it was really about concern.

21:04Ronnie Karam: Yeah, Dorit showed up on this trip fine. She wasn't going to fight with you. She's been around you and been fine. You're the one who keeps starting fights and then being like, why are you fighting with me? So but it's so typical, Kyle. You know, it's like try and get everybody against one person that Kyle doesn't like. Then tell the audience over and over again that this person is crazy and that this person doesn't really understand what they're saying. And this person is like illogical and na na na na na. And Kyle's a victim. And this person's been yelling at Kyle the whole season when it's Kyle who's been yelling at this person the whole season.

21:34Ronnie Karam: So Kyle's moving those hands. She's like, I was on the Lincoln lawyer. And she's like, to clarify, it was a mutual conversation between me and Boz, and I didn't call Boz to go. So I didn't see erratic spending with you, Doree, but Boz asked. Boz is the one who said you're spending erratically. You have commented on her spending over and over again. What are you talking about?

21:55Ben Mandelker: Yeah, it's like, and also like there's a larger context of Kyle not being a girl's girl and seemingly having more of an religious life. to PK, so of course, like, Dorit's not gonna say, not gonna really take any of this in, as she would with Bose. So, Dorit's like, you're going around asking everyone else if they're concerned, and Erika's like, well, it's not about the Kelly bag. I didn't even know that was a concern. Because, Erika, you said Kyle came to you and said that I was erratic, and that I'm spending, and that I'm always late, and that's the same thing that she told Bose.

22:30Ronnie Karam: Yeah, the man I said, well, she's overwhelmed. What the fuck do you want from her? She's an overwhelmed, erratic bitch.

22:36Ben Mandelker: This is like exactly how I fight with my sister. Like I'm dad. It's like my sister. It's like my non-famous sister who stole my hair, who always shows up and tries to act like she gets an award for being the first one divorced in our family. It's like exactly the same as her.

22:53Ronnie Karam: So Kyle said to you, Erika, she said it to a bunch of people behind my beak. And Kyle's like, oh my God, oh my God, my headache. I'm getting such a headache. by the way kyle's tongue is going crazy today licking the sides of her face yeah she's really really going nuts the stress tongue do you think that you can bully me and

23:16Ben Mandelker: mike and i'm gonna accept it she's like can you guys like speak up and say what you've all been saying because i've only had a conversation with people who are saying the same thing guys can we go go of course no one wants to say anything because it's beverly hills they all sit there and like look at their peas on their plate i mean i would be much more effective i would say that she would be much more effective not saying like everyone's been saying it everyone's saying it's just say there is a concern amongst all of us that this divorce is hitting you hard and given that you have a such a business situation pk that's not looking great that maybe you should rein it in and then if no one backs up just be like that's the concern whether people want to say it or not but like she's like can someone help come on i need some backup here where's the backup i don't

23:57Ronnie Karam: think that that would even be cool because it's not cool to come to somebody and being like you're you're acting like an asshole in your divorce because doreen's not really doing anything except being late that's the only if they just again if they just said this was about being late but she's making she's like well i talked to everybody says the same thing and but you're mad at me no they're not saying the same thing it's like saying well it's like calling everybody you know and being like oh my god what's going on with iran right now can you believe it and then you go to the table and you're like oh my god everybody's been talking about iran yeah because you called everybody to talk about it that's why i know 100 and i'm just saying i'm just saying that would i

24:33Ben Mandelker: think be a more effective way for her to communicate this point that she's trying to make even though

24:37Ronnie Karam: the point i don't even know what her point is she's because she's saying you're mad at me dorit you're mad at me and giving me shit all the time for how i'm talking to you but everybody's talking about it but they're not talking about it that way and dorit's not giving carl kyle a hard time about how she's talking to her all dorit's doing is defending herself every time kyle brings it up over and over again every scene and then kyle's like why are you always coming for me she's not coming for you she doesn't care about you she's found a new friend well the other thing is

25:05Ben Mandelker: that like kyle's concern quote unquote quote unquote concern for dorit is really not landing because she's wrapping it up in a larger issue of when bo says something you listen but when i say something you don't listen so it's actually more about kyle right now and it's not about concern for Dorit, but she's sort of attaching the two things together. And so Dorit's not going to hear any of it because it's just all a big complaint that Kyle has about like, why don't you pay attention? Like, why is it when I say something, you don't pay attention? Why not? And the reason why she doesn't take what Kyle has to say is because a Kyle doesn't truly stand in it because she has to be like, and they say it too, right?

25:44Ben Mandelker: Does anyone have my back? It's not just me. It's not just me. It's not just me. And then on top of that, not only does she not just stand in it, but she has a larger context of being kind of shitty as a friend. First, by acting like they weren't even friends in the first place, which she did a few years ago at the reunion, and then by, like, texting, you know, jokes and memes to PK. So, like, of course, Dorit's not going to hear any of it.

26:07Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So, Rachel's like, it hurts when someone says that everybody is thinking something. Like, we all. That is damaging. I mean, that's, like, mean girl stuff. And I'm not saying cosmean, but I think that it exacerbates the situation when you bring everybody into it. Okay? Roll over the stone, look in the cave, and I'll still be there. Because I'm dead. I'm dead.

26:35Ben Mandelker: Last supper, I'm dead. It's dangerous when you say we all. That's why I have a problem with the Constitution. We the people?

26:43Ronnie Karam: That's a lot. Who are the people? Am I the people? I'm not a people. I'm a person. a dead person. Put that in the constitution. Yeah.

26:52Ben Mandelker: Like I have the right to be dead. Kyle is like... Meet the dead people.

27:00Ben Mandelker: I hereby proclaim these truths to be true. Moisturize at camp and then be dead. No e-bikes. No e-bikes. Be dead. Every conversation I've had is with like other people who are saying the same thing. I wasn't just me gossiping. Okay. Erica just said that when you had the conversation with her, she didn't agree. She said she thinks I'm overwhelmed. So it wasn't a mutual feeling coil. And Erica's like, yeah, I mean.

27:24Ronnie Karam: Oh, yeah, overwhelmed is erratic. I mean, what the fuck? Same difference. Overwhelmed is erratic. Yeah, I said it. I said it.

27:32Ben Mandelker: And Sutton is like, okay, can we just stop with that stupid word? I've heard it so many times. I can't even count how many times I've heard it, you know. I'm so, well, as far as being erratic, I don't believe I'm being erratic. I've had, you know, I've been going through a lot Especially these last few months And it's not like I'm not sharing I'm saying my life is I'm not saying my life is perfect But when you see me, I'm clearly overwhelmed I'm not erratic Dorit, you are juggling lots of meatballs In your hand right now Well, I just decided to do this right now out of nowhere That's all, I'm not erratic, not erratic at all

28:05Ronnie Karam: But I said it's understandable that you're like this right now But I'm not even getting any grease And she's like, but you are getting grease, Dorit like when you showed up an hour and a half late and left us on the tarmac and then you didn't apologize i mean come on and then we didn't call you out then because we were giving you grace

28:23Ben Mandelker: um and so sudden's like i mean you didn't even say hello it's like oh i didn't say i'm so sorry i didn't didn't i come on the plane say you guys guys i'm so sorry for being so late it was not my intention and i apologize and here's some some gifts i got you along the way to express my sorrow They're like, no, no.

28:42Ronnie Karam: And see this one and Kyle accuses them all of not having her back and like making her do this on her own. But this, because it is the being late thing. Everybody does come in and say, yeah, you didn't even say hello to read. You know, they all jump in on this because this is part of it. It's like valid, you know. So it's like, OK, OK, OK. Well, I apologize now. OK, for keeping you guys waiting. And for every time I've been late, I apologize to everyone here. Noodly, Coothy, Rochelle, Bruce, Satine, Ereco, Genufa, Coil, the waiter, the basket of bread, which no one is ever going to touch. This tablecloth.

29:26Ronnie Karam: I'm so sorry, tablecloth. I'm sorry, Italy. I'm sorry to the ass on the statue of David. I'm sorry.

29:34Ben Mandelker: to the man selling gelato. I apologize to him, to the opera singers who regaled us with beautiful music. I apologize to them. I apologize to literally every single person that I could even think of. Like, what about Amanda? Amanda, because she just skips. She honestly even thanks someone named Megan who maybe is a producer. But Amanda's right there. Like, she goes down the line and just skips Amanda. Amanda's like, oh my God. She's like, oh, Amanda, I'm sorry, I didn't see you. Sutton was literally covering you. She has a wide head, so you can't really see beyond it. It's like trying to look past Charlie Brown, if you will, or Lucy, I should say.

30:14Ben Mandelker: It's very difficult to see past you, Sutton.

30:17Ronnie Karam: I hope you know. I would never purposely skip over you. I hope you know that, Amanda. Now, obviously, I wouldn't have forgotten you. I'm so sorry, Amanda as well.

30:30Ben Mandelker: Did you guys know Amanda was on this trip?

30:34Ronnie Karam: Amanda's like, it's okay. Well, how did you skip over Amanda when she's literally sitting right in front of your face?

30:42Ben Mandelker: I feel like Kyle is on a mission to make me look bad. First by constantly defending PK. And then we see flashbacks of Kyle doing that. Then she talks to all the women instead of coming straight to me. And now she makes an enormous deal out of nothing. Gee, honestly, what else would her goal be if not just to make me look bad? So I love the two of them. The two of them are both so conspiratorial about each other. It's hilarious. Like, you will listen to anyone but me. You're on a mission to make me look bad. Like, you guys just both fucking hate each other. And you're taking swipes wherever you can.

31:14Ben Mandelker: And that's just how it is.

31:15Ronnie Karam: And they also know each other because they've been doing this shit to other people for years. They've been ganging up on people for years. And they're using the same tactics they're trying to use against each other. And it's so funny because they learned it from each other. You know? They're like, okay, well, I know what you're doing. You're talking about me trying to plant seeds over here to make me look bad on camera. And they're both right. That is kind of what they're both doing. But, you know.

31:39Ben Mandelker: So Kyle's like, oh, my God, you skipped Amanda on purpose. You're acting like you didn't see Amanda. She was right there. And so I goes, well, I mean, I was like lenient. I mean, I was sort of like, I was sort of doing, you know, I am on the, you know, ABT, you know, trying to learn some ballet moves. And so I was, it was an honest mistake. It could have been like, I don't want to get in trouble here. Okay.

31:57Ronnie Karam: It's sort of a normal thing when people don't really notice me. Happened a lot in my marriage. You know, it even happened to me shopping the other day. I was at my good friend Dolce & Cabanas. And, you know, they tried to put me on a hanger, which was weird. I said, I'm a person. So they put me down. And then they just started throwing clothes over my head. I'm not a discard pile. I'm a person. So, yeah, I'm here.

32:20Ben Mandelker: Once upon a time, there was light in my life. Now there's only love in the dark. Nothing I could do. Total eclipse of the sudden. Sorry, Amanda. I eclipsed you.

32:29Ronnie Karam: Sutton, please be quiet. Kyle. Sutton's like, I'm not going to be quiet. I'm not going, okay? I'll tell you what I'm not going to do is be quiet. Okay? I was just explaining that I was leaning forward, and someone threw a passion lean on my head. Sorry, I didn't see you. Like, I'm dead. I'm dead when I did that.

32:46Ben Mandelker: Literally, no one could see me outside of my bob. And so Kyle's like, you are literally kissing Dorit's ass when in reality, you've had more to say about the Kelly bag than Bose did. By the way, Kyle being so focused on this Kelly bag is so peak Kyle. You know, because, of course, all that Kyle can focus on is someone else has a nice bag.

33:05Ronnie Karam: Kyle measures everything in everyone else's purses. So, you know how we were talking yesterday? You were saying, or whenever we were doing Summer House, you were like, what is it when two guys are outside, why do they have to pee next to each other? And I'm like, because that's a thing. You go stand next to your guy friend, you look at each other's wieners, and you size each other up. I mean, it's like a normal thing. And that's Kyle in these purses You know, she's always going to stand next to you To look in that damn purse So, we see a flashback to the villa And when Sutton was on the couch With Bose, and Bose is like, I told Dorit That I was concerned, concerned about Her finances, and the purse she bought with her Book advance, and Sutton's like, well Was the bag like rent the runway?

33:43Ronnie Karam: Or the real real? I mean, we'll never know

33:46Ben Mandelker: We'll never know By the way But this is like supposed to be the big evidence That Sutton's talking shit about the bag, I don't know

33:53Ronnie Karam: so kyle is like it is evidence that bose has been doing it like they've shown they have shown scenes where bose is talking to people concerned but it comes as more believable to bose because she's like is she in trouble whereas kyle's just like fuck to read you know this i think there's

34:09Ben Mandelker: also the element of the fact that bose is a smart lady and she's worked in corporate america and so even though she wasn't on the finance side of it you know she was on the marketing side there's a sense that like Bose understands facts and figures. I feel like that that's like an assumption that they all have. Like, well, she worked in corporate America. So she understands if she's a boo says that there's a financial crisis coming from my life. I believe it. Like, but if Kyle says that

34:34Ronnie Karam: people are like, whatever, Kyle, well, Bose also is coming at it like in an HR way. And, you know, even though she wasn't in HR, everybody in office knows HR speak, you know? And so if something is brought to your attention, it's like, okay, let's sit down and discuss this. Your finances have been brought up and I do see that that could be worrisome. Let's discuss your finances, you know, and why were you touching someone's butt at the copy machine, you know, like just very calmly bringing it out. Whereas Kyle's like, do you think she's crazy? Do you think we should lock her up?

35:05Ben Mandelker: Yeah, seriously.

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36:15Ben Mandelker: so kyle's like well there are things that have been said behind your back just so you know okay then kyle let me know it's like well it's just always something with me though it's always me it's always me rachel's like um it's because she cares most about you and rachel's like not right

36:28Ronnie Karam: now no no rachel please please talking coat rack please not right now but i'm saying she cares more about what you're doing kyle because like you guys have like years of friendship like years and erica's like well hello the rules are not the same the rules are not the same because kyle keeps bringing it up whoa it's making me crazy and kyle's like wow i'm so tired of being the budget mag i'm just so tired of it you know what they have such deep-rooted issues because

36:58Ben Mandelker: they've been going through it so hard and like you're hardest on the people you love the most thanks rachel so erica's like um she's like well i heard something today something you said a lunch where you said you could end kyle and so we have a flashback to earlier in the day when the cast was like having lunch and sutton was saying so by the way earlier at our lunch dorit said she could have ended kyle and now we go to i think we come back to the dinner table and it's like what what what lunch the only thing i ate today was gelato and she's like well the lunch with you me and rachel you guys went to the wrong flashback now go to the other flashback and now well i only had lunch with rachel and uh a chair that people threw their discarded clothes on that was me that was me damn it damn i'm here i'm here we go to a flashback of of uh sudden velling or carter restaurant no not that flashback come on get to the lunch flashback why are we going through all these other flashbacks just to get the lunch flashback and uh dory it's like i have

38:06Ronnie Karam: protected coil for years at all costs even when i felt most betrayed and i could have blown her whole life up so she didn't say she could have ended kyle she just said she could have blown her whole life up well which is similar similar but that's different when you say like i could have blown up her spot meaning like i could have i could have said a lot of things that kyle's told me right like there's a lot of stuff that i haven't said that's very different than saying

38:34Ben Mandelker: like i could end her i mean that's i agree and by the way look at this this is like a retread of this is i mean you could sort of draw parallels between this and pinocchio gate and all the people who are so mad at bows the people who are like she's being such a fucking bitch i hope you then have the same energy for dorit for pretending like she doesn't know that she said this thing and the reason why i actually believe that dorit doesn't remember this because i don't think dorit ever says she's probably in her mind saying when did i ever say i would end kyle like i never said that but like because it's a different thing to say and someone versus like i could have blown up her life i could have like i could have totally talked about certain things you know so uh sutton is like well you said i could have ended kyle and he's like well i can't actually try even try to fathom what that i would have meant for me to ever say that kyle's like look at that see look your bad friend okay so you guys were gossiping about me how's that now that's gossip that's

39:31Ronnie Karam: gossip right there okay now you're gossiping about me yeah she's like no that that's gossip no that's a threat it's not really gossip she didn't say anything that could have ended you she didn't talk about your long relationship that you're still refusing to talk about as you buy a house in nashville and pretend you broke up with that lady kyle so kyle's like what friend talks like that dorit will use the excuse of being upset with me like and like i didn't jump on my pk bandway and you know i didn't do that and she knows i don't talk to pk and so like what's the real reason for having this resentment towards me like am i just escaped all because you're miserable in your life right now is that why did kyle get mad at other cast members for being

40:11Ben Mandelker: friends with kathy when she was having beefs with kathy i'm trying to remember dorit that's when all

40:17Ronnie Karam: of this started and that's why it's important you know i don't know if you're being sarcastic or not

40:23Ben Mandelker: well no i was well no i was like half and half because i'm like i seem to remember kyle got mad at people for being friends with Kathy. She melted down.

40:31Ronnie Karam: This is the last time we saw a meltdown was in Aspen when Kyle freaked out on Dorit. We're like, I can't believe you're standing up for mine. Don't stand up for me. You're not there for me. That's when all this started because Dorit was standing up for Kathy. And that's why it's important with Beverly Hills. It's one of the slowest moving shows on Bravo these days and for the past few years. But you have to kind of know the lore because these fights start over something very small and they go for years and they're fighting about this Dorit being late or whatever it is now. But what they're really fighting about is Dorit not standing up for Kyle against Kathy in Aspen.

41:07Ronnie Karam: By the way, Kathy didn't even do anything to Kyle. Back then, Kyle was doing the same shit to Kathy then. Like, you're on my back.

41:15Ben Mandelker: And that's why it doesn't land very well for us when Kyle says things like, oh, well, she's upset that I didn't jump on the I hate PK bandwagon. because it's like, but you hold people to a different standard because you get very angry at people and you hold years-long grudges against people if they don't jump on your bandwagons.

41:34Ronnie Karam: Well, that's true. Yeah, that's a good point. And also, it's not that you didn't jump on it. You did jump on the PK bandwagon. It's just the other side. Like, you've had many scenes with Mauricio talking about Dorit, getting PK's story out there about how Dorit's unstable and how she won't give PK any visitation and all of the stuff that PK's wanted to get out, you're the reason that's out because you sat there and had those scenes with Mauricio and gotten them out there on purpose, Kyle. She's so manipulative and gets everything in there that she wants to and then cries like a victim. Normally, she cries like a victim when she's called out on something, but Dorit's not even calling her out.

42:11Ronnie Karam: That's what's crazy to me. It's like Kyle's just like, she was expecting a fight and she wasn't getting a fight. So now she's just fighting with herself until she makes Dorit crazy, which works.

42:20Ben Mandelker: And now she's like, Like, what's the real reason for having this resentment towards me? Am I just a scapegoat because you're miserable in your life right now? Well, probably yes, actually. But also, like, you set the stage for you to be the scapegoat. Like, you put the carrots out on the field for the scapegoat to come walk it up over to and munch on, you know? So, like, you know, it's like, it's not coincidental that you're the scapegoat. So Kyle's like, Dreet, I don't want you to continuously look for the worst in me. When everyone has shared the same sentiment, you always focus on me. Like, what are you, Michael Myers in the franchise that I'm a star of?

43:00Ben Mandelker: I mean, I have tried to be there for you. I have told you that I love you and your family. And I've even told your ex that as well. And I've supported you over and over again, just as I have PK. Even more so, PK. That's how supportive of a friend I am. And I've said nothing mean or negative to your face only to PK about you. And I mean, I just made an observation that a lot of people here agreed with, but it was all coming from place of love and perhaps a little jealousy and maybe some resentment. And if you want to continue to look for the negative in me all the time, then you don't have to be my friend.

43:33Ben Mandelker: And with that, I put my tongue in the corner of my mouth and I say, I do.

43:38Ronnie Karam: But you guys aren't friends and you said it yourself multiple times. You're not friends with Dorit anymore. This whole last season, it was like, I barely even knew Dorit. What? I mean, she doesn't like to exercise, so we don't hang out. And then this year, you're like, well, we haven't talked to Dorit. Maybe Dorit and I can come to a better place if Dorit blah, X, Y, Z. So you haven't been friends with Dorit for years. So the fact that you're up here like, oh, then you don't have to be my friend. That's another thing. Like you're coming after her all year, pretending like you're coming from a place of friendship.

44:06Ronnie Karam: When you've said multiple times, you're not even friends with Dorit.

44:09Ben Mandelker: Yeah. So annoying. That's the thing. So everyone's just watching this.

44:12Ronnie Karam: Oh, sorry. Go ahead.

44:12Ben Mandelker: I think I've said it many times. I think Kyle is the one who poisoned this relationship when she got on that reunion stage and acted like she and Dorit, like Dorit was cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs for thinking that they were ever close friends as opposed to just like work acquaintances. And that ruined it.

44:27Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So the table, first of all, the table's annoyed because it's another dinner. This trip sucks anyway. Let's face it. This has not been a good trip. It's been one of the worst of housewives. So they're all bored. They go to this final dinner and they have to listen to this again. So they're all just sitting there so bored and they're just watching them fight back and forth. And then Boz is like, well, that was a little cold, Kyle. And she's like, well, I don't need to be your friend, you know, because I have other amazing friends who like love me and I love them. Jamie Lee Curtis, for example.

44:56Ronnie Karam: And like, I'm done. I'm done. OK, I'm done. I'm done fighting with you. I mean, The Pit, that was a show called ER that I was on. I'm just saying. OK, and like I do love you and I wish you the best. And, you know, Anthony Edwards, like, why couldn't we call him? And that's all I'm saying. like it's sad that you continue wanting to see the worst of me even though that's all i'm showing you

45:16Ben Mandelker: so kyle's like friendship should not be this much work i'm already fighting with a husband of 30 years even though i just said that um a million times that we're having the smoothest divorce ever and we're kind of like the paragon for how people should separate huh and i'm like trying to fight for that relationship so you think i'm gonna like work this hard for a friend who doesn't appreciate me no i won't i'm like okay she's like trying to throw in a thing there to be like i'm also going through in America.

45:42Ronnie Karam: I'm trying to fight for that relationship with my husband, as you can see by the house I just bought in Nashville to bang my girlfriend. What are you talking about? You're such a fucking liar, Camille.

45:52Ben Mandelker: Are you fighting for that relationship? I don't think so. Anything, I mean, we all remember, what was it, last year, two years ago, when he's like, hey, love me, and you want to go to the park? No, you're disgusting. Get away from me. Go away. She's slow. I got a tattoo that says, fuck Mauricio but not literally of course

46:11Ronnie Karam: so she like pulls at her blazer and sits down and like she's like case dismissed you know so Dorit's like you really believe that don't you Coyle that I'm really looking for the worst in you and she's like no I know it I know it Dorit I know it

46:27Ben Mandelker: you know you're well guarded and protective right now and I don't know that you believe that Kyle truly cares about you because you seem very defensive well yeah Well, right. But do you not see that this group of friends here supports you? I mean, Natalie can't shut up down there. She just keeps on saying, Dorit, Dorit, I love Dorit. God, Natalie, quiet down over there.

46:47Ronnie Karam: But this makes me crazy that Erica's like, well, you're being pretty defensive. You're at a dinner of, you're confronting her at a dinner table full of people for like the third time. Of course she's going to be defensive. So she's like, where's the bulletin? And Dorit just is like, and Boz is like, what support feels best for you? And she's like, well, they come straight to her face. That's what she just said. So that's what we did. She goes, I know, but that's not enough, right? That can't be enough. So what is it? She's like, well, that's what she said many times all day today. Come to me. Come to me.

47:18Ronnie Karam: Come to me.

47:20Ben Mandelker: This is where Dorit messes it up for herself, I think.

47:26Ronnie Karam: Booze, you have showed me more support than everyone in this group. Put you give up.

47:33Ben Mandelker: I was like, that's, I'm sorry. You can't say that. that isn't that's that is rude bose has shown her total support but like you i'm sorry that was when she said that i was like oh this is not good this is about to blow up in her face yeah i figured

47:52Ronnie Karam: it would blow up in her face but i didn't think it was that bad to say because kyle and kyle's been working against her the whole season clearly and erica's team kyle and she's coming at her with Kyle with her with her nothing so well Eric is like wow wow

48:07Ben Mandelker: and then Dorico's period it's just like you have a really bad memory

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