#3303 Summer House S10E10 Part Two: Teed Off

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2:19Ronnie Karam: And so Mia's like, you know, I have all this love to give and I don't have my mom to give it to. And Lindsay says, well, I don't think you know this about me, but I don't talk to my mom. And she says, and now that she has a baby girl, that's very healing for her. But, you know, it'll happen when it happens, basically. She's like, yeah, having a baby is very healing for me. And if it's not healing, at least it's a good distraction. So there's that. I love that Lindsay Hubbard logic. So now we go back to North Carolina and Sierra meets with her mom, Sheila. They go to a coffee shop and Sheila is also very low key.

3:00We see where Sierra gets it from. So they're talking about the summer and buying this house, etc. And Sierra is just looking forward to... She doesn't see herself living in New York City long term. She ultimately would like to raise a family, you know, in the countryside. So she can have a couple of cats and a couple of dogs and a goat and a horse and a cow and a pig. I was like, and a lot of bills I'd like to add. And we learned that her mom was like, it's very country and had like multiple pigs growing up and all that. Which is like really sweet and cute and adorable.

3:36Ronnie Karam: So then we find out, she's like, you know, Sierra, I haven't discussed with your dad anything about who really owns the house. But he's going to find out. And she's like, well, he's going to be pissed because I did it behind everyone's back, which what? I was like, what? What is this? So she was like, well, I mean, it wasn't behind his back. You just, you know, it was something that you wanted and you you found a way to buy it. So she tells the producer, yeah, my dad will know that I bought it because he's going to watch a show. But I didn't tell him. And she says, you know, I she tells us the story from last week that she knows her grandparents house is home because our parents were always moving around so much.

4:15Ronnie Karam: And so it was really important. And she's like, you know, and I just wanted to get the house fair and square. So I didn't want to jump through family special hoops. So I just had to find a real estate agent, get an attorney, have my accountant make a separate LLC, have my accountant make a trust and then make up a name for the trust and then buy the house under the trust and then send my realtor to court, my dad and his family. And then they rejected my offer. So I put in another offer and then I cut the house. So it was easy. Very, very simple. I love this for her. I love this twist. this is like very soap opera it's like wait a second we just found out the person who bought the house is sierra like they're gonna have a great moment when that all gets revealed over there but basically what the way i read it between the lines is she doesn't want any drama from her family in the sense of like like uh she just wants to own it and i think she knows if she goes to her family it'll be like well uncle richard owns this part or well you've got to get like aunt aunt bernice to say this or whatever and like she's like i don't want any strings attached that will come with family.

5:11I don't want any guilt trips about this and that or whatever, or like, well, I let you have a discount on this house and this is how you pay me back. She's just like, I'm buying it. And I love that. I love that she did that. And I'm sure her dad would be really pissed, but you know what? This is good revenge because he's done a lot of shitty things to her. So get that house, Sierra.

5:33Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And so her mom, she's crying talking about it and how important the house is to her. and like to have something to pass on to her kids and generational wealth and stuff like that. And so her mom tells her she loves her and she's like, and they have a nice, you know, it's nice. So then it's Friday, August 15th and it's totally normal because it's 4.05 PM, which is weird. It's not 4.06 or 4.04. It's like 4.05. So it's a good omen. It's a good omen that something is happening on one of the significant hashes on a clock, you know? Yeah. I was like, I was like, because part of me was like, they're not shooting the scene at 404, are they?

6:14Because that'd be a little weird. Like, this is a 405 scene.

6:17Ronnie Karam: So Jesse, Bailey, Tara, and KJ are in one car, and West is driving the car. And they're like, oh, my God, it's Tara's first weekend in the house. Oh, my God. It's like, oh, my God, everyone, we have to have a rage-filled weekend. Because I'm Tara. I love rage. And I mean, I don't mean in an angry way, though. I just mean fun-filled. She really does talk like a sitcom character. I'm kind of like fascinated by her like TGIF style banter. And so Bailey West is back too. He had a quick trip to Italy and Bailey is like, so how was Italy? He's like, it was sick. Like, it's like all my boys from home and like, we just like ripped it, you know?

6:54And by the way, this is a guy who's so desperate for fame that he flew out on Monday and was like, no, I absolutely cannot miss a weekend of shooting summer house. even though I'm in basically the most beautiful part of the country. I'm in Italy at a beautiful ceremony and everything. I don't know. To me, it's crazy that he was already back by Friday. But then as I'm saying this, I'm realizing the flight from Italy to New York is much shorter than from Italy to LA. And I'm so used to going like that. People who go to... This is honestly one of the stupidest points I could have ever made on this podcast.

7:32I'm just trying to find a way to shame Wes about like, why would you leave? Wow, you left Italy to come shoot the show You're obligated to shoot Wow, you're a fame whore This is not my strongest work

7:44Ronnie Karam: He'll give you something Don't worry, it's West He'll give you plenty I was so ready to go too I was so ready to go on this point And as I said it, I was like, this is falling apart on me I'm so mad at his travel plans Who flies Monday through Friday? Who makes sure they're back for their job? When they can be in Italy. So he's saying, they're like, so how was it? And he's like, well, flying is kind of a bitch right now. But like my boys were fly. Like we were fly. Like we'd like had, it was like my boys, my boys. And Jesse goes, well, did you cry? And he goes, well, I mean, I did go to the desk help lady, whatever.

8:27Ronnie Karam: And I asked her for help. And they're like, at the wedding, Wes, we're not talking about the airport.

8:35Ronnie Karam: So the other car, it's Mia, Sierra, and Carl. And Ben is driving that one. And they're like so excited. And Mia's like, oh my God, I'm so excited about this weekend. It's Friday. We're going to sit by the pool. It's going to be fucking amazing. What is wrong with you? She's like, I had cold brew. Sorry. I've been there. Been there. I may be there right now. I'm like, yeah. Not only have I been there, I am currently there. Did you not just hear me try to wrestle up Pitchforks for coming back from Italy? so then Mia is like so Sierra says by the way Mia and I went to Lindsay's birthday lunch and I asked her about the text that she sent you and so we see this flashback to Lindsay having a birthday lunch and she was saying you know Carl's gift was like really thoughtful and like he like got Gemma like a book about like being a New York City baby and it was like really nice and so like I sent it you know I thought it deserved like a thank you text you know and so Carl's like back to present.

9:32Carl's like, I saw Lindsay Hubbard pop up on the phone. I was like, oh my God, I need to make my

9:38Ronnie Karam: notifications softer. That really hurt my leg. I vibrated really, really hard. It was really hard. That was like a hard haptic. It was a lot to take on. I haven't had a text from her in like almost two years, so progress. Could you be friends with her again? He's like, I don't want to say never, but you know, I don't know. She invited me to her house for me, so that was good. I don't know. Last week, she did invite me because last week marks five years anniversary that my brother's been gone. It's emotional. I appreciate you reaching out, Mia. She's like, oh my god, no problem. He says that Jesse messaged him which was cool because Jesse wasn't even there that summer.

10:19Ronnie Karam: You can only feel for the death of someone's brother if they knew you exactly when it happened or something. He's like, but he checked in. Not that I was asking for anything special from anybody, but it is nice to hear from your friends. And then in Westcar, Jesse's like, yesterday I met with Carl and Ben, and Carl's like kind of going through it, you know, because it was the anniversary of his brother's death's passing and Carl didn't text him, you know? He just, instead, he Instagrammed about Lindsey's birthday. So that's going to be a big one. That's going to be a big one. And so Carl's like, yo, I mean, last week has definitely been rough.

10:56Not to, like, hug the conversation, Oh, but, uh, like, okay, well, on a lighter note, I met Sabrina. We bonded. Oh, so when I said not to hog the conversation, that was my way of saying I'm about to hog the conversation. I'm aware of it, but that's okay. We could talk about Sabrina.

11:10Ronnie Karam: That's cool too. So Ben's like, well, I need to have a little chat with Amanda at some point, you know, coming off the back of Lindsay's housewarming. Sabrina told me that everybody was talking and, um, Amanda went up to her and said, you know, Ben's been great the whole time. everybody in the house thinks that he's in love with me but apart from that that's fine and i was like hold on what you know i don't understand where that comes from like what do you get out of that what do you get out of that you know it is kind of crazy that amanda said that to like the girl that ben is with that's a good is kind of like an undermining bitchy thing to do i don't know why i wasn't more upset about this though i think part of it is because this girl Sabrina came in super oversharing and like, I don't know.

11:55It's like, well, you want to hear an overshare? You're about to get one. Um, but there's all, I just feel like, I feel like Ben is very protective about his image and he's like really trying to make us feel like he's this like nice guy thing. And like, if it's like, he's not, if he's not in love with Amanda, like it's like, I don't know. He should just be like, yeah, that's crazy that she would say that people are just like giving me shit about it, but it's not real. And just like move on. But he's, this is now going to be the second time he's going to get pissy. about it and it's like bro I'm sorry like you cannot do this whole thing of that like you're nervous and you're shy and then you get this like steely anger towards the women now two times in a

12:32Ronnie Karam: row I don't like it yeah and Ben's saying so Ben's saying that Sabrina and Amanda had a very beautiful heart-to-heart at the party and we see a uh clip of this and the heart-to-heart is Amanda being like I'm fully aware of what I'm going through and I love hearing other people's experiences too and he says that Sabrina was not pleased about the comment Amanda made and now she's upset and she's like why are you saying that and like why is this guy like why is he saying he's in love with you and not me like what what are you doing and he's now pissed off basically but like also Sabrina you're complicit as part of this thing of like having a secret romance while he goes onto a reality tv show and pretends to be single and then like someone picks up on a vibe like a single vibe that he's pretending and then you're like upset that he like gave off a single vibe when you're pretending part of this ruse this whole time so like i don't know like i mean like on a human level i get why sabrina would be like oh well fuck this like that's a bitchy thing to say like it is like what amanda said is is kind of bitchy it's kind of like it's it's a little it's just rude to say that to the to the girl uh that's dating a guy but also like sabrina and ben are doing some stupid charade of him being single on the show when we know that they were together the whole time.

13:50So I also am like, I kind of don't have sympathy for like, whoa, Sabrina's upset right now.

13:55Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I mean, making jokes comments to somebody is one thing, but saying like, yeah, everybody thinks he's in love with me, that's a pretty big thing to joke about. Because you know you're going to make another woman uncomfortable. Yeah, even with a joke. And Amanda does have that kind of catty side tour. So it's like, what, what was she doing? You know, but Ben also does not need to spin out about it. Exactly. Exactly. And like Amanda, I think one of Amanda's like least appealing qualities is that she does have like a very sarcastic and kind of like, I don't want to say in this case, she just has a sarcastic side of her that I think can become very tiresome.

14:37And I think this is probably like her doing that again. And it's like, you know, it's just like it's going to get you in trouble sometimes when you're sarcastic like that. But again, I think Ben's issue is more annoying to me, which is that he I don't like how I don't like that way when he gets upset, how he's how he talked to Bailey and then how he talks to Amanda. I don't like that at all.

14:57Ronnie Karam: Yeah, there's there's definitely like a creep side to him that I don't like either when he gets upset. I don't like it. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin's commercial. One thing I need in my life is a treat. Okay. I love a treat. I need it. After work, I need a treat. Before work, I need a treat. While I'm driving somewhere, I need a treat. Unfortunately, having that much treat can be unhealthy. But not since I found cachava, baby. Yeah. And by the way, they have a coffee flavor, and I find that that's the perfect treat because I am a coffee girly, and I'm a treat girly. So put them together and give me some coffee cachava.

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18:37Ronnie Karam: So, yeah, she made that comment while she was thinking, I don't know. It's like, it's a catty thing. But yeah, Ben spins out too much about it. Like, just tell the girl it was a joke at the house, you know? But Ben's upset because he didn't tell her because Amanda might have been thinking now that we're talking about it, Amanda might have been thinking oh well he's telling her everything so he probably told her about how he got mad at Bailey because Bailey made that comment about me wanting to fuck Ben so I'm going to make it this funny thing. That's actually very possible. Maybe I don't want this girl to hate me if she ends up coming to the house or whatever.

19:13Ronnie Karam: So she might have been trying to smooth that over but of course Ben left out that part because he doesn't want to get in trouble with the girl. That's mad that he's being outed for keeping something from the girl. I think it's totally viable that Amanda assumed this girl already knew and she was trying to make light of what could possibly be an elephant in the room. But also again, like Amanda does have that super sarcastic side where these things don't always land very well. Yeah, totally. But either way, I think her infraction is like minor compared to like, I just don't like, I think Ben's is worse to me than Amanda's in this situation.

19:47Plus we didn't even see the way what Amanda said. This is all just sort of what Ben is saying. So now Ben is going to talk to her and he's like, I don't know. It just seems so fucking unnecessary that shit's gone down. It just upsets me a lot. I'm like, oh, relax, ma 'am.

19:59Ronnie Karam: Yeah, and he says, I care about Sabrina and I'm excited she's coming and she's priority number one and I'm going to make sure that she knows that by getting on by getting on Amanda. Also, you know what I don't like? I don't like guys like this who when if we were to take his story at face value, his story is that they connected, they had the best time together, and then she professed feelings to him, probably said, I love you, before he was ready to say it back, and then he kind of left her and ghosted her. That's his story with her. And I hate when people, like, he left her, he left her on red, essentially, quote unquote, and then he decides, finally, a few months later, oh, guess what?

20:45I haven't found a better option yet, so I'm going to go back to her, and I like her a lot, and like, now, don't you all fuck this up for me because she matters the most to me i'm like does she really matter the most to you because you weren't with her for the past three months after she was like sort of bore her heart for you so like i kind of don't like like oh we have to stop everything because he cares so much about her because he just decided that like three days ago yeah and he's kind of a typical

21:10Ronnie Karam: summer house guy and then he's like okay i'm gonna make my make dump this girl so i can be single for the show but now i'm not getting any ass on the show and i still want a romantic storyline or I'm not going to have anything going on. So she's going to be my romantic storyline. And now I'm going to bring her in and then now get mad. And now act like I've been caping for her the whole time. He's, I don't know. He's, I don't like him. You know, he's not hateable. Like I don't hate him. He's not like a West where West, you know, people like West and Jesse just, my hackles raise with those guys.

21:42Ronnie Karam: And he's not really giving me that, but he's giving me, there's a definite. Yeah. Yeah. So everyone arrives at the house And they're like arriving in Mia announces that she's going to make some guacamole Wow it's a changing of the guard And then Yeah they really are spinning off this show They're like okay we need someone in here A new cast member who can make guacamole Who's it going to be But that was always my role You're not on the show anymore Amanda Okay it's over for you And Then they're just sort of like arriving and et cetera. And so, can we see a flashback, by the way, to the car where KJ is telling Wes, he's like, bro, I saw your slideshow and like, how about that absolute dump truck of yours?

22:32And we see that Wes has a big old butt and he's showing it off in his pictures on Instagram.

22:37Ronnie Karam: That is definitely his best quality. Is that butt? So then, Wes goes to take a shaker to make Marg's and there is blue cheese that they've left in there that has rotted. And they're like, don't even wash it. Just throw it away. No, wash it. He just nips it and he goes, they're like, what's in there? He goes, it couldn't be worse.

23:05Ronnie Karam: There's blue cheese in there. They're like, oh, throw it away. So now Amanda and Kyle come and they're, you know, they all decide they're going to go to the driving range and mini golf. so they're going to do that later and then Carl's like oh it's 5 o 'clock and Bailey says you have two watches you better know what time it is because he has a watch on each wrist why does he have a watch on each wrist what is that is that a running thing it's yeah that way when you're running and your arms are in front of you maybe you can always see the time it's just my little hack I get double the rings I get double the activity rings that way yeah like so Dara, since it's your first weekend in the house officially, do you have anything that you would like to do tonight?

23:50She goes, I would love all of us to hold hands and share our deepest, darkest secrets. Laugh track. Or instead, we can go out and get drunk. It's like, okay.

24:01Ronnie Karam: So now outside, Jesse and Ben are talking and Jesse's like, so how about that ride in? I decided I'm just going to be myself. And Ben's like, yeah, well, you know, it was taking a bit out of me. there, but Jesse's like, well, are you going to talk to Kyle, Carl? You're going to talk to Kyle? He's like, well, I mean, I would like to at some point. Very upset. I'm so upset that I shot a scene about it yesterday and then another one in the car on the way here, and I'm going to shoot two more scenes about it today. Very, very upset. Yeah, I think you've been a great friend to Kyle, and I think you deserve that same thing back.

24:35But y 'all, it's just like, it's weird for me to, like, have him, to go to him and, like, tell him about the anniversary that, like, my brother died. Like, a real friend already knows that you know and Ben's like yeah I shouldn't have to mention this like yeah no I shouldn't it's like it's insane it's like it's literally insane that I even have to broach it like can you imagine it's like it's like it's like looking at a barrel lapel and being like we have to put a broach on that like it's just in Saturday listen I'm sorry I know this is going to come across

25:03Ronnie Karam: heartless but I can't I can't not say something when when is this when did this become a thing I have not called somebody on the anniversary of a family member's death every single year for five years ever. I've never done it. Have you? No. I mean, there have definitely been times where I will look at the calendar and I'll see it. I'll be like, I'll shoot someone maybe a text message. I'll be like, hey, I know this may be a hard time for you. But like generally speaking, like I sort of do it that first, maybe that, maybe I might do it the first anniversary if I remember. Or if someone's like really close, I'll try to.

25:39Ronnie Karam: Or if it's like Christmas or something and you're like, oh my God, this is the first year without your husband. I hope you're okay. You know, like I'll check in. It's not like I'm a total monster. Right. I just can't imagine expecting somebody to be like, oh, Ronnie, this is when your, you know, best friend passed, you know, or this is when someone close to you passed away. I'm going to text you every single year about it on that. It's weird. You know, I don't get it. And I don't get, I can't imagine expecting that of somebody. i think that probably what happens is because jesse texts and then because mia texts um it's therefore more obvious that kyle did not text and so but for them to text he must have said something to them because how else would they know so he must have said something like my brother's death is coming up on this day or something so they're like oh my god carl obviously is still really feeling this thing and so i'm gonna text him on this day because he just told me about it two days ago right right right and i think that like you know i understand why carl is feeling some sort of way by the fact that not only did kyle not text but he posted a happy birthday to basically carl's arch enemy on the show now and that really hurts but there is like a convention of announcing people's birthdays like happy birthday to every year on someone's birthday and unfortunately there just is not the same convention for you get reminders checking in you get reminders and facebook's and stuff like that lindsey you don't get like carl's brother passed away reminder on facebook you know right it's not like an ical thing that pops up and it's it's not even that because even if even if i remembered and it was year five i don't know that i would be like five years later i'm gonna i don't know i yeah i think it's carl being upset over the lover boy thing and he didn't get the answers he wanted and he was he's still resenting kyle over the lover boy thing and now he's going to make this a thing to come after kyle on tv because he knows kyle's not getting you know he knows he's getting the shit already with amanda because kyle's acting like an asshole with amanda and then he tried the lover boy the the soft bar investing thing and that didn't go for him and so now he's going to come for this i mean honestly i find it gross that carl is going to use his brother's death to come at a friend on TV this way.

27:57Ronnie Karam: I think it's icky. I don't care what anybody thinks. I don't like hate Carl, but I just this whole new like Carl, everybody's like, oh my God, Carl's so sweet. Carl is not sweet. Carl's a manipulative fucking person. And I don't, this just rubbed me the wrong way. I don't like it. I've always felt, yeah, we've always felt that Carl is a manipulator. I do think that really he's just upset about the investing thing. And then of course you, it's now become a storyline. So you have people poking and prodding Carl. I mean, like, aren't you upset? aren't you upset so he's sort of like at a base level frustrated with kyle and this thing comes along and then like people some people text him but not kyle and he's already feeling a certain way about kyle so now it's like he feels that way even more whereas if he'd been in good standing with kyle he'd be like oh yeah well you know he'd give kyle the benefit of the doubt but now he's not in a place where he wants to give kyle the benefit of the doubt so like i i like i it's just like another thing piled on top of the car kyle's not a good friend to me thing but i also but i also feel like it's just I don't know I do feel like Kyle let's also not forget was Kyle an officiant in Carl and Lindsay's wedding was he supposed to be was he supposed to be best man was he supposed to be in the oh he was the flower girl in the wedding so let's not also forget that like all these little things that happen amongst people in life they kind of come back you know it's like the moment you make Kyle the flower girl you've kind of sent it you've sent a message out there that like hey i i don't know if i value you as much as you value me right and not to put outsized importance on the flower girl thing but it's like one of those little things in a friendship and it's just like i don't i just feel like kyle has actually extended himself quite a bit to kyle he has also undermined kyle kyle is not perfect but i feel like um i don't know i i kind of had that feeling too like the the nice guy part of me was like well you still should check in on your best friend you know on the anniversary of a death in his life but then there's part of me that's like but carl has to start like moving forward with his life i think if on i think for me if carl had come to kyle and said carl you know kyle my brother you know passed away five years ago this was the anniversary i didn't even hear a text from you that's so weird like are you are you okay are you mad like what's going on because normally you would text me maybe i would think okay maybe that's a little oversensitive but whatever i wouldn't really it wouldn't ding me you know what i mean because that's normal human emotion but the fact that he went to shoot a scene with the guys about it to talk about it to like rally the guys there and then he did it again and with the girls in the car you know with like a mixed it doesn't matter guys or girls but i'm just saying like he had two full scenes to like get this going with everybody in the house of like oh my god kyle's such an insensitive prick like how can you not call someone when their brother dies that's where i'm like this guy's a manipulator and he's yeah he's decided he's gonna come for kyle now and this is how he's gonna he's gonna use his brother's death to do it instead of having the balls to stand on the lover boy thing i just think it's really gross you know and i'm not that's obviously not saying kyle's perfect this whole season i've been screaming like leave him amanda for fuck's sake Like I've not been team Kyle on this, on anything, but on this, I think Carl's being a typical, typical manipulating asshole.

31:10Ronnie Karam: I don't think this is cool. This is a bad move. And I also remember when Carl was like upset at Kyle, uh, when he was working at Loverboy and he felt like he was being used and abused at Loverboy. And then it turns out Kyle was like, like, no, I'm down to expand your role and give you something else. Write me a business proposal. And Carl just never did it. And like, there's always, I don't know. I think that Carl kind of sort of takes a lot from Kyle and he still expects more. And I feel like Kyle, he's been largely patient except for when he outed Carl being high on coke during a meeting at Loverboy.

31:48But like, by and large, I think Kyle has actually given a lot to Carl. and um i think he's just i think he's actually being pretty chill by not being like i've given you so fucking much you would be nowhere without me right now you know um so i'm always like you know i just i feel like carl really presents things in one way but there's there's a larger

32:12Ronnie Karam: story to be told he presents things always as a victim instead of somebody who's been helped to a tremendous degree by somebody who did not owe you that help you know yeah he gave When nobody would give you. He was paying your ass when you were showing up there, blitzed out of your mind, coked up, showing up without your laptop, doing all that. He was keeping you going. And you're still like, Kyle didn't give me that like a tiny investment, by the way,$15 ,000. His rent is 10 grand a month. So it's not like he's just coming at him in these tiny little ways that are just I just I wouldn't be friends with someone like that.

32:50Ronnie Karam: That's just a manipulator and a victim. a constant fucking victim, this guy. Yeah, it's, it is, there definitely is that vibe that's going on there. So, so he is upset either way. And Kyle's, and then, and then Wes, meanwhile, is like, hey, so Kyle, have you talked to Carl today? Kyle's like, no, I mentioned that, like Carl's probably gonna wanna talk to you. And he's like, do you know why? He's like, the investor stuff or something like that. I was like, no, you didn't text him on his brother's passing day, which was the day before Lindsey's birthday. It's like, oh, and I think it hurt him a little bit.

33:30But I think because you posted a happy birthday to Lindsey, like I think that hurt his feelings a little bit. So what's your wife up to right now, by the way?

33:42Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I was going to say, so now you have West coming to add to it to also villainize Kyle. Well, when that clip was released of when West was going into the bathroom to check on Amanda, you've seen this, right? A couple of weeks ago, people were re-releasing, spreading this clip all around because he goes into the bathroom and he comes out taking a sock out because apparently he was trying to cover his mic with a sock or something. So they couldn't hear him. And in the bathroom, he was like, it's OK. It's OK, baby, to Amanda, which I didn't hear him saying it's OK, baby, to Amanda. So I didn't hear that.

34:16Ronnie Karam: Basically, he's possibly already hooking up with Amanda or at the very least leaning that way at this time. And so he's like, OK, I'll take Carl's thing and I'll use that against Kyle to further paint Kyle as a monster during this whole thing. So, yeah, this whole episode was pissing me off. And I felt like such an asshole for even being pissed off because it's like a victim cloak type of thing. Like you cannot criticize somebody when it's about their brother dying. And part of me feels that way. But the other part of me is like, no, fuck that. This is bullshit. This is manipulative bullshit. And now it's West coming in on it too.

34:52Ronnie Karam: He's probably fucking Amanda's wife at the time. Well, the other thing is that like, what we've said about this investor situation many times and now can be applied to this, is that like Kyle, I don't think that Kyle is under any obligation to do these things. But if he did do them, that would be a lovely thing for him to do. But he can also, I don't think it would be a demerit if he doesn't do them. And Carl does treat it like a demerit. So would it be nice if Kyle did the lovely thing? Yes, he should do the lovely thing. We should all try to do the lovely thing. But I don't think that it should be.

35:29In these cases, I think you, I don't know. I don't think that they should be held against him when he doesn't do it in these specific cases.

35:39Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but this is, of course, a typical Kyle answer. He's like, oh, God, what was stressing? I mean, I had a really important call and I had to do laundry and I had to pack and I had to do all this shit. And he's like, but don't say that. Don't come in with excuses, bro. And he's like, I'm not justifying it. I'm just saying that, you know, I was really busy. He's like, I know, but like, if you're talking to him, like, don't bring up laundry, you know? That's funny. Just, you know, say you fucking forgot, you know, and you love him and, you know, he'll get over it if you just address it. Commercials.

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38:49Ronnie Karam: Back outside, Carl's like, yeah, like the first thing he's grabbing and if this house gets set on fire is the DJ equipment, like none of our hands to get us out of the house. Like he's only I'm going to say that DJ equipment. Like, what do you have left when all this gets taken away? Like you have us, not your fucking DJ or your speaker. That could all disappear. Like, what are you doing? Relax, girl. Carl, you're the runner of the group. You're going to be the first one to run out of the house. So why are you waiting for Kyle to take your hand, okay? He's going to save his DJ equipment. I mean, is he right?

39:22Yes. But do we think that anyone in this house is going to be non-self interested in that moment. I guarantee they're all going to be just darting out and leaving everyone else behind.

39:33Ronnie Karam: This show of 10 years on this show, we have lists and lists of shit people have done to support Carl. We don't have the same thing from Carl. You know what I mean? We don't have that same thing for Kyle. So for Carl to become, I mean, he was in his wedding, you know, so Carl ordered food for the house. There was that one season where Carl was in charge of Postmates. so that was exciting and that was a huge episode where carl's like oh my god i'm ordering food for people it was like whoa fireworks like the one time the husband takes the trash out without being asked and he wants a fucking medal you know yeah we all know by the way that if this house catches on fire the only one who will be left behind is jules from season four because they already said that that's what they would do amanda said that amanda said like who would you leave in a burning house and amanda's like jules and then carl also uh lectured jules later so you know carl was a total asshole to jules as well so yeah i don't i don't know i just this stuff's all bugging me but um obviously apparently so um west is like so he gives him advice so then carl goes off on kyle and kyle's like well thanks for giving me a heads up west so then carl goes on and he's He's like, yeah, because there are times I try to have these conversations, but he doesn't listen.

40:56Ronnie Karam: And like, I know how mad it feels now. I'm like, what friends want to be with someone that doesn't listen to them and just kind of has a general sense of I do whatever the fuck I want. Literally every person you've talked to told you not to open SoftBart. Carl, you were engaged to that person. So you're like, what sort of person wants to be around that? You were literally fucking that person. You were doing that. Okay. You're on a reality TV show where everyone does this. Okay. And by the way, there's a trail of women in your wake, Carl, who have the same question about you. You know, like, I do whatever the fuck I want.

41:30Like, let's not forget that as well.

41:33Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but he sweeps all of that into this, like, but, you know, I was addicted. And it's like, okay, but it doesn't, like, erase, it doesn't erase your entire history. You know what I mean? It gives a reason, but not an excuse. And it just makes me crazy that he's so fucking holier than thou about everything. It's like, you're Carl. Do you not remember who Carl is? So, August 15th. Why? Why do I say that? I don't care. It's because the show did. Okay. Seven o 'clock. Nope. Six 59 guys. Ah, ran out of bad luck. We ran out of it. So everybody's getting ready to go golf and they're talking about each other's golfing outfit.

42:13Ronnie Karam: And Bailey's like, I mean, my boobs are out because like, I love having my boobs out, but Carl notices my boobs are out. I'm not going to be sad about it. Like, what's it called? A putter. Whoops. Is that flirting? Is that flirting? Girl, he's not going to notice those boobs unless you add some stripes to them. Get those tan lines going. And then, you know, everyone's like, oh my God, look cute, look cute. They're talking about their shoes and Sierra has like, you know, like wedges on. They're like, how are you going to golf in that? She's like, I can golf in anything. I'm a girl. So they all are hopping in their cars and they go to this miniature golf place and they're grabbing their clubs and Dara feels very empowered.

42:52She's like, I got a club. I'm empowered. And Sierra's hitting balls, doing surprisingly well. And they're all like impressed that she is able to get some significant drives with her.

43:04Ronnie Karam: Jess is like, Jess, West has never hit the ball that far in the end drive, like even half that far. So then we see West mini golfing and can't do it for shit. Basically, it's terrible. So they just golf. It's a lot of fun and games and stuff. And then Bailey has her flirt moment with Carl where she's like, are my legs far enough apart? That's what she said. He's like, there you go. Yeah. Lean down. Yeah. Spread your legs. Yeah. Look at the hole. Okay. You did it. You did it. It's like, wow, you're such a good golf teacher. Was that flirting?

43:41And then food arrives and everything. And they're all sort of like, they all like flock to the food around the table. Like they haven't eaten in five days. and uh while they're there carl they're just you know they're just bantering and then uh carl's like hey uh cookie um cookie yeah uh look uh can we go for a chat for a sec oh okay yeah let's go over here we're gonna have a little chat okay let's go back to the batting cages remember remember this remember remember when i had a fight when i was acting hard against luke we have a flashback to like many years ago where luke and carl had one of their fights and which basically luke's like that's not fair you can't see that okay you know what you know what you know what i'll go after and then we'll talk okay and then carl throws something down on the ground trying to

44:28Ronnie Karam: act like he's actually gonna hold me back hold me back i'm gonna kill him i'm gonna kill him um so then um carl's like well you know okay look west did give me a little heads up about this i want to talk to you so like i'm glad you pulled me over but like first and foremost like i want apologize. I feel like the last several years, I've been with you on your brother's anniversary and like, I mean, there's no excuse for it, but I was just, I spaced and I'm sorry. You know, it's the story of my summer. You know, I feel like I've been letting you down all summer. So I thought that was a good apology.

44:59And it was a good reminder that I was, not only did I text you the last few years, I was with you the last few years. Above and beyond kind of stuff. Yeah, I mean, you definitely like let me down and I've just been like trying to figure out like how to talk to you Luke goes like, you know, I'm just like a little disappointed. And being by these batting cages is like really triggering. Cause like Luke is so scary. And I was just like, I don't know. I was hoping to hear from my best friend. And I mean, like you were the guy that I ran to that day and you were the person I told. And I just feel like our friendship is disconnected.

45:26And I just like, I like don't even know what to say.

45:30Ronnie Karam: And he's like, yeah, I'm sorry. He goes, yeah, cause I'm disappointed and sad. And like, you know, I pulled up Instagram Monday morning and I saw like the Lindsay thing. I was just like, damn, he's saying, how does somebody on their birthday? It's crazy. He's like, well, I know Lindsay is like the type of person, though, like if you don't make an effort, she'll remember that as much as if you do, you know, but like, which I think is funny. He's like, Lindsay's terrifying. Of course, I remembered her birthday. You kidding? What do I have a death wish? Yes. I said, happy birthday to Lindsay. He's like, you know, if you feel like I let our friendship slip, you know, I also feel sometimes like you're not inviting me to things.

46:05Ronnie Karam: He's like, I mean, I can't even think of a time when you invited me to something. And I said, no. I mean like you're active and doing cool shit you never invite me anywhere so I feel like this was Kyle's opportunity to just say sorry bro I hope you but no but but rather than Kyle saying like I just think that Kyle's just like uh-huh totally instead of being like you don't invite me to things because do you really want to do the things that Carl's doing do you really want to be doing those things no but Carl's like you know where's my best friend and I think Kyle's like yeah Kyle because I think it's subtly Carl's trying to present this like you're my best friend and Kyle's like we haven't been best friends in years what the fuck are you talking about you don't even call me to hang out anymore what are you doing I think that's kind of the subtext here it's like when have you ever invited me out like how are you calling me your best friend and guilting me like your best friend didn't call you like what are you talking about Carl it's like I literally I feel like I can't catch a break this summer.

47:05Like I can't be the CEO I need to be for the lover boy. Can't be the husband that Amanda needs. Can't be the friend that Carl needs. Can't be the DJ that Moni Moni needs by Billy Idol. It's just, I'm literally striking out. And he's like, well, I appreciate what you're saying, man.

47:19Ronnie Karam: He's like, well, if I've done something to piss you off, you know, I just, just let me know like this. Like, tell me like this. And he goes, well, you know, I'm struggling to say like what I want to say. Well, look, if words come to you later, then you can, it doesn't matter how you look. just pull me aside and we can talk later if you need to talk later. And he's like, okay, well, you know, sometimes I like temper how I feel because I don't want to hurt you. I don't want to like, I don't know, come across like an asshole. All right. Well, I want you to feel comfortable talking about things. Cause you know me, I'm Kyle Cook.

47:47I hate, I take criticism really, really, really well. And I'm just like, I'm not going to chew you out, man. I'll be totally chill. And most likely I'll be sober when I hear it. So I'll have a very like level head of response. So it's all good, bro.

47:59Ronnie Karam: And then he tells us, I need to have better conversations. about, I mean, to get better about having conversations with Kyle Cook, because, like, I shut down. And, like, literally, I just shut down. I'm just Carl. I'm just, like, terrified little Carl who can't have conversations. You just did it. You just told him exactly what it is. And the producer's like, well, what did you want to say that you didn't? And he's like, I mean, I think I wanted to say fuck you. I mean, what else do you have in your life that is, like, anywhere close to someone like me that shows up for you and cares for you? Because if you do this to me, did him like texting me on Sunday make or break my day no but it was just like makes me nervous for Kyle like I'm not your friend like who do you got I'm like no he's saying if I'm not your friend like who else do you have like I'm all Kyle has right I'm like I don't think that's true actually but that's fine so then Amanda's just like hanging around the table she's like oh my god have you guys been sitting here for a while and she hurt like eyes are bulging that's her big thing is like bulging her eyes to be like wow and ben is like actually i want to go for a chat just me and you she goes for real he's like yeah for real she's like um okay eyes bulge so they go to a different area to talk and uh basically ben's like so last week at lindsey's you know that was the first time i'd taken sabrina out to meet everyone and just at the end i just got a bit thrown off with the everybody thinks that he's in love with me.

49:29And it just kind of like threw her off. And I just thought like, I didn't know why you kind of said that to the person who I love so much ever since this past Thursday. And it just like rocked her because she was wondering why. And I just don't know if you were joking.

49:43Ronnie Karam: I'm just like, well, if I said something that made her upset, like it wasn't intended that way. I was just like literally singing your praises to her. And he goes, well, she felt like it was a big dig at the end, you know? She said, why is that coming up? and I came out here with you and Carl and we're all good friends and I just thought it was a bit shit to kind of say it in that way. And she's like, um, yeah, like. Dun, dun, dun. I'm already fucking blessed. Like, what? What are you talking about? Wow, what an episode. So there you go, everybody. Summerhausen. We'll find out next week how that confrontation goes.

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