#3306 Southern Hospitality S4E06: Joe Blow(s It)

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1:38Ronnie Karam: Well, hello everybody and welcome to Watch What Crappens. I'm Ronnie. That's Benooney over there. Hello, Ben. Hi Ronnie. How's it going? Good. Everybody, welcome to the show. It's Southern Hospitality Day. If you want this on video or you want bonus episodes, this week was a in the city trailer trash or you want ad free listening or a free weekly recap blog, making fun of all these shows or a discord server. There's so much at the Patreon. Go over to Patreon. Be sure once you sign up that you add the ad free feed to your streaming app, whatever streaming app you like to use for your podcast. So it's easier for you to get all of those and check out our videos and all that stuff.

2:25Ronnie Karam: And thank you to everybody who's a member over there today. Let's get on with Southern Hospitality. How are you feeling? Anything going on in your life you want to address here, Ben?

2:34Ben Mandelker: There's nothing in my life that I want to address, but I'm feeling great. The show is so good. So wonderful. Southern Hospitality, great TV that still somehow feels like it's sort of being overshadowed or overlooked. but they are, this is what, their fourth season? Season four? And they're killing it. They're really like no slumps, just doing a great job. What about you?

3:01Ronnie Karam: Yes, I have stuff to address in my life. What's that? So last night, this guy, I'm on the neighborhood WhatsApp thing where people text and these people text all day long about like, oh my God, I saw someone walking up the street. Who was it? I don't know. I got a video. And it'll be like an older lady behind a tree taking a video. You can see all the bushes and like the bush leaves or whatever. And like someone walking on the street grainy. And like, oh, I don't know. It looks dangerous to me. You know, it's one of those. So I'm on there. And last night I get one. Maybe I'm being overly cautious.

3:35Ronnie Karam: But some kid just walked up to my door with a flashlight saying he's informing me about new fiber optics. Not sure if he's scoping out the area for future theft. Seemed off. Someone else said, never too cautious. I saw the same kid and he had an AT &T vest. But, you know, I personally filled him under. Sorry. And what looked from a distance to be a laminate badge. I personally filled him under code yellowish green. But no, if he knocked on my door, I would have kept it closed and told him to go away. Well, I told him he's under surveillance and then he ran away. And then someone else said he came by.

4:12Ronnie Karam: Seemed legit to me. And then another guy said ran away. thanks i just upped my code to solid yellow if legit at &t is stupid for marketing like this and another guy said seems like off that a company would send someone here at 8 p.m i'm suspicious and then susan said he just came to our house and i saw him on the ring talking to himself the dog scared him off because they barked and then someone said he came to our house too we didn't answer the door he did have an at &t vest but then i thought he could have gotten that from anywhere. I mean, yes, you can never be too cautious. You know, they're going on and on.

4:48Ronnie Karam: Can I tell you, I'm the only person that this person did not ring the bell. I felt like I'm such a loser. Like, why am I the only person that nobody wants to rob? Am I just the ugly house on the street or what? That's so sad. Yeah. I feel left out. I did actually. I was like, everybody but me literally every single neighbor met this person except me thanks a lot we had a we actually

5:14Ben Mandelker: were the victims of a robbery like two days ago basically um what a we have uh someone someone broke into like our complexes mailboxes like all our mailboxes are this free standing structure that have and so they they sort of opened there's like a door that the mailman uses that opens all the doors all at once and then he slots in the stuff and so anyway someone Someone broke in and stole all the mail in the mailboxes. And I've been kind of bad because I hadn't picked up the mail in like four or five days. And at first I was like, this is a violation. I mean, it is, it's a federal crime. Like I cannot believe someone like broke into like the big mailbox.

5:52Ben Mandelker: They like somehow, I don't know how they opened it up. They picked the lock, whatever it was. It was all open, all the mail had gone. I was like, this is a violation. I can't believe they took our mail. But like I have, I signed up for a service that the USPS does, which is that every morning they send you an email where they've scanned in the mail that's coming to you. So you can always see what mail is arriving. So I was like, Oh my God, Oh my God, Oh my God. And so I like looked through those emails for the past week. And then I was kind of like, you know what? Uh, thank you, Robert. Thank you for dealing with the junk mail.

6:23Ben Mandelker: Cause that's all I received for the past week. I was like, you just saved me a trip to my shredder.

6:28Ronnie Karam: The book, the burger was like, I've got so many Val packs.

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6:51Ronnie Karam: um by the river and no one got eaten by anything so that was good i guess yep it's very exciting

6:57Ben Mandelker: and uh justin's talking to brad about like uh they're gonna shift it up tonight you know and he keeps saying type shit. What is that? Type shit. I guess it's like that type of shit. You're going to chef it up. It'll be like, that's like, unless he's saying, get a typewriter and type the word shit. It'll be hilarious.

7:18Ronnie Karam: No, but he keeps saying it throughout the episodes, like a running joke, I guess, that he has that I just never really got. Yeah, I mean, I've heard type shit, but.

7:26Ben Mandelker: They're young. They're young. They're of a different generation. Justin's like, Like TJ is saying, oh my God, someone drank all the tequila. I goes, that might've been me. 60 % of the seasoning comes off in the cooking process. I'm like, what are you talking about?

7:42Ronnie Karam: You're going to start cooking with tequila. And so everybody's going to shower and stuff. And tonight's the night where they're going to wear costumes. They're going to wear overalls, the guys. So Joe comes out and he's like, is it too early to get in the costume? I'm really into it. These are my emo walls. They're like overalls, but they're like sad because they're turning 30 and love hasn't given them a restaurant yet.

8:06Ben Mandelker: So, yeah, he is wearing overalls with one strap. Very early 90s. Very. It's like Whitney Houston in the My Name Is Not Susan video.

8:17Ronnie Karam: And but oddly enough, even though he has a song called Mine Aren't Either or I'm not mine. Mine isn't either. Sorry.

8:26Ben Mandelker: We call it a response song. People are agreeing. my name's not susan mine isn't either

8:35Ronnie Karam: susan's like it's me um the greatest of all nah just have like the dumbest album ever i want to dance with somebody i prefer the couch just all whitney houston response yeah it's all titles that argue with whitney houston why not to it's a response to one moment in time

9:01Ben Mandelker: the preacher's wife is divorced. I don't feel that way about children. Think about it. Think about it.

9:11Ronnie Karam: Children are in the past.

9:17Ronnie Karam: So they're talking about how you just hold down.

9:20Ben Mandelker: You're not me. You're not me as a woman. Sorry. I'm no woman.

9:29Ronnie Karam: okay so there's yeah they're gonna have a hoedown a hoedown throw down so we go outside and we see lake and bella i did not recognize bella today but they showed bella enough that now i recognize bella kind of now i'm like oh that's bella yes look it's bella everybody because they just keep showing us bella she doesn't do much but she's there and this time i remembered like in the

9:51Ben Mandelker: third scene i saw her i was like oh it's bella yeah i was really happy because last week when we were recapping the show, I couldn't remember if there was a Bella and an Ella or if there were just like typos in our notes. And this week I was like, oh, there really is a Bella and an Ella. So they are two distinct. Ella is blonde. Bella is brown. So the B stands for brown. Yeah.

10:16Ronnie Karam: Okay. And that's just a popular name. Ella. There's a love fixation. Yeah.

10:25Ben Mandelker: It's true. Ever since Twilight, Bella became a really popular name. So they're outside and Lake is like, I'm really anxious about Michaels. And Bella's like, what's happening? It's like, it's just like him choosing to keep his distance from me. Like, I'm sorry I told Ella everything with Brad, you know, but like Ella's one of those people that I can call a best friend. And did she go and tell Emmy what happened? Yes. Am I mad at her? No, but like, whatever. I mean, for my mom to tell me you shouldn't have told Ella, yeah, she's right. but like maybe I should have just like kept it to myself but I didn't think it would like tumble down into Michael's just being a bitch

11:02Ronnie Karam: and Bella's like yeah I mean you know Michael's is like your brother and that's why you're upset about it you know you just need to talk but I've tried talking to him and he just walks right past me and then she tells us she's had crippling anxiety for her whole life and she's had to take medication and you know normally she talks to friends and michaels is that friend but he's the person that's giving her anxiety now and she's like okay so i have a big ass mouth i'm aware of it you know but like

11:35Ben Mandelker: i need to talk to people that's who i am as a person bella's like you need to have a conversation with michaels because this was snowball into something bigger so in the house joe's like you guys i can't be the only one in my overalls my emo overalls okay i can't do this like well this It's like a practical joke. I'm not like the butt of a joke. And like, there's actually like, no thing. I'm like, Oh my God. Like this is actually like really not cool.

11:58Ronnie Karam: Well, there's not a theme and you've always got one of those in your hair. So since when do you care? Get on with it.

12:05Ben Mandelker: I'm just fascinated that like with his one strap off, like the, the, the, the part of the front that's supposed to be connected to the, to the strap that isn't, that has not flopped over. I was like, wow, that has some real good structural integrity going on.

12:19Ronnie Karam: Yeah. It's really starched. so uh everybody's getting ready and joe's like oh my god joe i'm oh my god justin holy jungle holy hunk alert he's like yeah you like it so now tj and brad are setting the table together type shit yeah so they're outside setting the table and um no tj and brad is in the notes but it's tj and michaels so uh michaels is like is this enough for everybody he's like yeah there's there's 12 people. Wait, do forks and knives go on the same side?

12:50Ben Mandelker: No. Are you sure? Yeah. Are you like, did you take a trillion? Mm hmm. Really? Yeah. Could you guys, why is this conversation parsed out off of so many monosyllabic responses? It's like, yeah, I did bottom dancing in that first year. Cause like when I moved to New York, my twin sister, Michelle and I were like only six years old and we ended up getting in trouble at school because they like would call my mom and said that we didn't know how to properly speak. Because in the South, you're supposed to respond to teachers by going, yes, ma 'am. No, ma 'am. And my sister and I coming from the Bronx, we're just sitting there being like, what?

13:24Ben Mandelker: Like, what? Like, what do you want? Like, you're calling for me? Like, what? I'm like, that's exactly what you're saying to Lake right now, just so you know. So he's like, well, so when you grow up in the Bronx, you're like, you don't know? So my mom did not fuck around with us. She was like, after school, you're going to Cotillion, and you're not from the Bronx anymore. Okay, so I'm a hoe, and I like to have a good time, and I dress slutty, but I've got manners.

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17:33Ben Mandelker: elsewhere in Maddie's room Emmy has an announcement I think I'm going to go and approach Brad and just be like I just want to like you know like whenever you're ready like I would love to have like a conversation with you assuming it's in a safe space right oh no I shouldn't say that and so Melody's like yeah you know

17:50Ronnie Karam: like if he does have the conversation like I would say like what you want to say but like be like hey I'm sorry I use this word like miss properly but you know like i just used miss properly but um like this is how i felt it's like yeah this is what i felt and this is what i meant like that's what i need to say like i need to say like what i felt was terrified but what i meant was i need to call the police it's like

18:17Ben Mandelker: the producer's like so what do you want to explain to brad um i don't want to fight with him anymore i just i just but i'm not going to take accountability for um something i didn't do And meanwhile, Emmy is dressed like a figure skater for some reason. So I'm like, why are you dressed like Tonya Harding for this important scene about microaggressions? So back in the kitchen, Justin's cooking and he's like, I feel like fucking Bourdain. I'm like, okay, you know, I just settled down over there. Okay, what does he make your dry beef? And Brad is like, you know, preparing a sweet potato and he's talking about it.

18:51Ronnie Karam: Brad is seriously poking some holes in that sweet potato. I mean, he's stabbing it to death. He's like,

19:02Ronnie Karam: you don't need to do that. What are you doing? Leave the sweet potato alone.

19:09Ben Mandelker: Who did the sweet potato hurt? I mean, he's like, that sweet potato was me. So Emmy leaves, leaves to go talk to, to, to what's his face. and Maddie is complimenting Michaels on how he looks, and she's like, you need to be on, like, Love Island right now, Michaels. You really do. He's like, oh, my God, like, so funny. But then, like, walks by, and he's like, not laughing anymore. I don't like stuff.

19:39Ronnie Karam: And he comes up to Brad, and she's like, um, obviously, like, I want to, like, respect you, you know, and, like, whenever you want to talk, I just want to let you know that I'm open to having a conversation with you whenever you feel comfortable to have a conversation. He's like, okay, let's go have a conversation. So they go sit outside and he's like, I would rather listen to nails on a chalkboard than talk to me. So she's like, do you want to go on the rocking chairs over there? So let's do that. Okay, let's do that. Okay, okay. Like, I just, I want to start the conversation off by saying that like, I know this has to happen and my mind, you know, like I never meant to offend you.

20:21Ronnie Karam: okay and i wish we were having a conversation like i i could have changed the word that you brought up you know which was unsafe and like it wasn't like my safety or the fact that i felt unsafe it was like the fact that i was like terrified like and he goes that you were gonna kill me that's what you said but that's yeah but like i just want to like clarify it like my safety was like never ever ever my concern so the only reason why i wanted to change rooms was not because

20:48Ben Mandelker: I felt unsafe. I just was too close to the elevator and people who were dangerous like you might come out of the elevator. That's it. But my safety was not a concern. Not a concern. He's like, well, it just feels like you're talking out of both sides of your mouth. Well, I mean, how else do you talk? I mean, the words come out of one hole, so I don't understand. I mean, okay. I guess what I'm trying to say is I think I've been like a little passive in my apology. It's like, it's not passive. The problem is you're saying one thing and then later on, you're changing your mind. It feels like you're saying one thing to me.

21:17Ben Mandelker: Day later, you're telling someone else something. And I just don't believe a word that's coming out of your mouth at this point. And that's the most frustrating part because we've been friends for so long and I loved you. And you know, like what you said behind me, my, my back, like, you know, you was everything you could have said to my face because, well, what did I say behind your back? It's like, you said, I'm, you know, I'm sorry and folly. And then less than 24 hours later, you were like, oh, I mean, I'm really only apologizing. So Brad doesn't ruin my life. So that doesn't really feel very authentic.

21:45Ronnie Karam: She's like, well, okay, well, I mean, let me be clear about the context about that. He's like, it's not context. It's black and white. Like, you should have just said I'm sorry. But no, no. No, because there's context. There's context to that. He's like, no. Like, I'm tired of context and excuses. Just say you're sorry so we can move forward. Like, what the hell? But, like, I'm trying to, like, explain to you that, like, I meant my apology in folly, okay? Like, would you, what I would rather make up and, like, have a good summer with you guys and like have us attack each other that's all i meant and he's like no there's no attacking he's like he's like i'm not yeah he's like i'm not attacking i'm not plotting against you i'm fucking hurt okay and i just don't feel like you're being genuine it's bullshit all the time okay and i'm done like i'm done i'm done talking about this i was like i was like are you just pulling a straw up and down in a really tight milkshake cup.

22:44Ronnie Karam: Like, what are you doing?

22:49Ronnie Karam: It's like, here she goes with her tears, her big fake tears coming out.

22:52Ben Mandelker: So Julie asked Brad if everything's okay. And he's like, yeah, I just told her to fuck off. You know, once I found out she didn't really mean her apology, there's just no fixing it. It's torched. She goes, you're not letting me speak and not letting me get my point out. And it's just, it's so silencing. I'm okay. Am I? All right. You're the victim here. You've been silenced. Got it. Yeah.

23:11Ronnie Karam: We'll cut the bullshit, Emmy. So now back out on the court, the court, they're asking Michaels, or Michaels is asking Emmy why she's crying. He's like, why are you crying? And she's like, I just tried to pull Brad aside for a conversation. And like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like trying, but he's like, he's like subset. He's like subset.

23:39Ben Mandelker: I love when Michael yells, breathe. He did that last year to her. He's like, calm down. That's not going to help someone calm down, Michael. I know, but she really does.

23:50Ronnie Karam: She gets this look on her face. Like, I love the look she gets on her face when she's fake crying. And she just like freezes her eyes and like starts looking back and forth. Like someone's going to get her. She's like, oh my God. Oh my God.

24:03Ben Mandelker: And she's like, he's so angry with me. like yeah because you said you felt unsafe to the producers and you could have gotten him fired and

24:11Ronnie Karam: like fucked up his his whole life so and then came back and said you didn't mean it you just didn't want him to ruin your life so i mean come on so brad's like you know i'm tired of excuses and i don't believe a word that's coming out of her mouth and so back to her she's like i mean but i like i i i didn't i didn't even get to say my piece i didn't get to say it and so michael's is like, so it didn't go well. Maddie's like, yeah, it didn't go well, right? She goes, yeah, like, I can give you, I haven't been able to give you, like, a true apology, so, like, and then he just wouldn't acknowledge, like, what I was saying, and I'm, like, trying to have a conversation with you, like, what I want, and, like, and, like, and, like, sees, so she starts to come over, and Michael just goes, go over there, we don't need an audience.

24:51Ronnie Karam: This guy is such a bitch. He is, I'm sorry, he's awful. He is being such an asshole. He really is.

24:58Ben Mandelker: Lake is, like, best friends with, with emmy and i think lake is totally um it's totally um uh legit that lake was gonna go over there and and talk to emmy not only that lake even lake even told well she told brad she's like i'm gonna make it my mission to teach emmy about this stuff because emmy really just does not know and she's coming over there and just i just don't think it's brad's place to shoo lake away and i hate that lake actually did sort of like amble away but i feel like that was just a little shithead because it's also like it's not about you right now michaels it's about like it's well i hate to be like it's about emmy because it's really shouldn't even be about her but i'm saying from a friend point of view if they are both equally friends with emmy like you you shouldn't be like i'm the friend who gets to deal with her like no like he's he's he's such a dick like i i've really

25:47Ronnie Karam: soured on him this season you know being upset with lake or whatever okay fine but the way he's going about it like he's just he's being a bully at this point and it's just gross and i'm really sick of watching you know men scream the gay guys too i think especially the gay guys like have some kind of pass on these shows to like call them bitches and like walk or walk behind them screaming and shit when they're walking away i don't like that shit i do not like it like an aggressive man is still an aggressive man we see residue on shaw's which infuriates me and i don't like that michaels is acting like that at all and he can cry all the crocodile tears in the world it's not cool you shouldn't be treating people like that he's just being nasty he really is

26:30Ben Mandelker: so um lake walks away and then inside brad is basically like look we can coexist it's fine but we're just not friends right so uh mia is like well was there any way that could have went where you could have had a friendship with her and he's like no i just don't need friends like that i'm not starving for friends um and he says i don't even know what's real and what's fake and if you're willing to sit there and give me these white women tears to get out of a situation then that's it for me so like okay well let's go out for dinner yeah so they go they go out to dinner

27:02Ronnie Karam: and uh emmy's still not there or back outside still talking to other people emmy's like oh my god he walked away and he was like i don't want to hear i don't believe anything you say and i'm like but i haven't even got to say anything yet and maddie's like um yeah i do deserve think she deserves to say you're feeling so. Yeah, but I haven't even told you how you've hurt me and how can I move on, but I haven't got any apology. Michael's just like, yeah, but here's the thing. Justin told you that you said the only reason why you apologized to him and TJ is so they wouldn't ruin your life. As your friend, stop saying shit like that.

27:36Ronnie Karam: You need to stop putting your foot in your mouth. And she's like...

27:42Ben Mandelker: And Justin's like, dinner is served. It's feet in the mouth for Emmy. TJ is like, well, I guess I'll go set the table because I'm gay. That's what we gays do. We set tables. I'm really obsessed on this point. So they all sit down and everything. And Joe's like, hey, everyone. Sorry for the way. It's just a little bit rude that they're not down here. I mean, I've been in my overalls for three hours now. And I just kind of felt like they should be here to eat the steaks by now. But that's okay. So Joe should be quiet over there. Complaining about people being late to the stupid dinner. That probably is just like overcooked beef.

28:16Ronnie Karam: so emmy doesn't come to the table she goes to her room for some space so molly's like let's say grace um thank you god for charco dory because i'm really fucking good at it and um they're like well should we wait till mia comes back out because she's not out there later so mia mia's like no you don't have to worry i i feel the power from here go ahead guys go ahead hey can we like

28:37Ben Mandelker: not call it grace wait why um think about it oh okay i get it now yeah let's say a prayer wavey baby wavey bit we hear like we hear grace's song in the background baby baby baby baby baby baby baby baby baby mia goes inside and she's trying to console emmy because that means like sitting in the corner of some room and she's like listen to me listen take two big deep breaths No, that's very, very rapid, shallow breathing. Deep breath. Deep breath. Okay, no, no, no. Okay, deep, slow, slow, slow, slow, slow. Deep breath. In, out, in, out, in, out.

29:22Ronnie Karam: I can't breathe. I can't breathe. I can't breathe. I can't breathe. I can't breathe.

29:27Ben Mandelker: We don't want to have dinner without you, okay? We're a young show on Bravo still, and we need to have big fights at the table. So if you're out here, it's not going to help the show. Brad feels a certain way and that's valid. Okay. And you're not him and he's not you. And you can't control the way he feels about what you said. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Cheap in red advice. Come to the table. So,

29:45Ronnie Karam: but it was such a good day. It was such a good day. I forget to say what I was going to say. So Mia's like, Oh my God, this girl's not helping herself. And she goes, listen, Emmy, if you were him, you probably wouldn't like you either. Okay. And she goes, well, yeah, I guess that's a good point.

30:04Ben Mandelker: I was just trying to take accountability. I know, I know. I was trying by not taking accountability. He's like, I know, I know. When he said that, he did say that. He didn't say that, actually. I'll just tell you he did. And that's the most I could do, you know? And like, I've realized that I can't apologize and then like not mean it because like I didn't get the apology back that I wanted for him making me feel unsafe, which I wasn't. I was not unsafe, but I'm saying he made me feel that way, but I wasn't unsafe.

30:29Ronnie Karam: It's not about you getting an apology. What are you not getting? You are so thick headed, my God. so back outside um maddie's asking how long the conversation even lasted she's like was it three minutes and goes yeah like 245 and bella's like yeah he said 237 so then back to me and emmy she's like this we're together and that's what this is about but yeah we're about to have a wholesome dinner right okay okay i can come i can come i i i i can come so they walk up to the table and Emmy's like, I'm going to scooch on in. I think it's about time I invested in waterproof mascara. Am I right, guys?

31:09Ronnie Karam: My mascara was running down my face like Brad was chasing it.

31:14Ben Mandelker: So now they're all sitting there. It's like awkward. So Molly is like, hey, Lake, what's going on? What's going on with you, girl? She's like, I'm eating. And Lake's like, yeah, I just ate and I'm drinking a Coke right now. Mia's like, you've had a bad attitude at that river. I mean, you have like teenage girl eggs. Emo attitude. Hey, that's my party. Thanks for promoting it.

31:34Ronnie Karam: You have to pay$50 before you can use my trademark. So, me is like, you're like, I'm going to my room. And Maddie says, yeah, okay, well, I feel like Lake wasn't feeling okay because she overheard y 'all talking about her. Yeah, I think that's what was going on. And Michael's is like, yeah.

31:53Ben Mandelker: It's like not a secret that I've like 1000 % been very frustrated with you recently. And you broke my trust. and like it's not okay for you to sit there and continuously talk about something that does not involve you that i relate to you that doesn't involve me when i literally sat there and said don't talk about the thing that someone told me in confidentiality and she's like no but like

32:14Ronnie Karam: you know what like like it got involved with me when brad felt like i wasn't defending him in that

32:20Ben Mandelker: situation so i got involved yes but like when i told you not to talk to anybody about it like Like, how am I supposed to trust you and be your friend? But it was already out there. It was not already out there. Yes, it was. Yeah, no, it was not. Like, you went to her after you came to my apartment. Like, why are you fucking lying? What do you mean? Like, what do you mean? You're fucking lying. Stop lying.

32:46Ronnie Karam: So now she leaves the table crying. And Maddie's like, chill, geez. And Joe's like, y 'all are like speaking Morse code to me. Like, I have no idea what's going on. And I understand Morse code.

32:58Ben Mandelker: you can't spell morse code without sort of spelling you know if you take out the the like if you take the e from the back of it and put to the front of it if you think about it you know

33:06Ronnie Karam: so i was like wow that went from zero to 100 really quickly and mia says that's just michael's i mean what the fuck and so now look when someone leaves the table crying let them go or follow them to console them don't follow them to keep screaming at them like who fucking does

33:22Ben Mandelker: that so he gets up he follows her and he's like he goes over he's like you don't get to play the fucking victim when it's not you i'm like actually you you brought her something you're the one who's actually interfering here you said you brought to her that brad was not feeling supported by her which is fine honestly it's fine that he told her and this was this became an issue for her and so she is the victim because she's been trying to like have fun with you and be nice with you and talk with you and you've been icing her out the entire day and being like blatantly rude and mean to her not just cold but actively mean to her so she literally is the victim in this situation

34:04Ronnie Karam: yeah and he's like whatever like he follows her he follows her in and she's in the bathroom like crying like trying to get away from the camera and he's just like yelling at her you know and he's like why are you crying you don't get to cry like it's not even about you you talked about it with Ella. You broke my trust. I cannot be friends with you if you're going to continually break my trust. And she's like, oh my God, don't be friends with me. He's like, fine. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Just leave me alone. He goes, okay, well don't speak to me. I don't care. Stop crying about it. I don't even care.

34:35Ben Mandelker: You're the one who went over to her to speak to her. And she's literally crying in the corner. I mean, this was so, it was so, man, this girl has been miserable all day long. When this should have been squashed with a simple conversation of like, hey, when you told ella this that was so uncool because like i told that in confidence and i really don't appreciate it like that's the level it should have been at michael's is allowed to be annoyed 100 but like this cruelty is so mean this is like this was like i don't know i thought that this was like above and beyond i just lost i lost so much respect for him for this yeah so like

35:11Ronnie Karam: crying to the camera she's like please leave me alone like she's like literally in a shower trying to get away and they won't stop. So Michaels goes back and he's telling us, Lake is like family and he doesn't have a great relationship with his family. Won't. And he's like, so my friendships are very important to me and he lost his temper and he hates that. But you know, his trust is broken. There's no excuse for you acting like that. You're an asshole.

35:36Ben Mandelker: Yeah, there's none. And I hate when he's like, you know, when my trust is broken by somebody that I've let in so deep, it hurts me to a deeper level. I hate when people say that like, oh, we should be so honored that you decided to let us in. I don't know. I mean, there is an honor of someone welcoming you to a deeper side of themselves. But when they hold it above you, I let you in deep. So you can't do that for me. It's like, okay, stop acting like you're not. Congratulations, you have walls up. But you can't use that as a card to control a relationship. So Michael's is like, you know, it's just like you don't get to sit there and play the victim and cry about a situation that didn't happen to you.

36:15Ben Mandelker: Michael's at the point of you. She is part of this situation. Literally what you're doing. Brad called out Lake for not being supportive. She is literally part of the situation and you went and he relayed it back and forth. So that's you in this.

36:29Ronnie Karam: So they're telling him, God, take a breath. Take a breath. He's like, I'm exhausted. I'm so exhausted. And Maddie's like, yeah, Michael's can go super cold when you cross him, but I'm the same way. I just have PowerPoint. No, maybe he needs a laptop.

36:45Ben Mandelker: Very friendly PowerPoint, where I prove that we're actually friends. So he's like, if you're not willing to take accountability, then like, I don't feel bad for you.

36:54Ronnie Karam: And they're like, just breathe, just breathe. And he's like, you broke my trust. You had a conversation with Ella about it, and it's not her place. And they're like, oh my God, catch your breath. And so he's just going on and on and on. Commercials, here comes one right now.

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39:41Ronnie Karam: and so Emmy goes to comfort lake comfort I put in quotes air quotes and so Emmy lake is sitting there sobbing and Emmy's like oh my god I'm so sorry that that happened to you this is like the craziest part is like none of this had to do with Brad's skin color and they're still coming after me about it. Like, I don't even get to say, but I'm not. Oh my God. I don't even get to say. And Lake just stops crying

40:04Ben Mandelker: and looks at her like,

40:05Ronnie Karam: are you fucking kidding me?

40:08Ben Mandelker: It did work. It got Lake to stop crying. Lake is like, Emmy, moment, time, place. I mean, it's just like crazy. And to think that like, Will is in law school right now and like, he has to get ready for law prom. It's just like crazy what's happening to me right now.

40:21Ronnie Karam: And like, Brad's allowed to feel this, but like, like you have to acknowledge how I feel too. You know what I mean? And Lake's like, yeah, but I have like a genuine, authentic friendship with Michaels, and I believe he's my best friend. And for him to like look at me and say like he doesn't want to be my friend. And he's like, trust me. I know. I know it hurts. I know. Because like Brad's being so mean to me. And they're like trying to make me look bad. Okay. Give me a hug. Give me a hug. Oh, my God. Thank you so much for comforting me. Thank you so much.

40:49Ben Mandelker: So outside at the table, Michaels is like. What a fucking selfish, crazy person. oh my god emmy is like the most hilarious karen right now this is gonna be her for the rest of her life i just want to say oh it's gonna get worse it's gonna get worse oh god wait until

41:07Ronnie Karam: emmy's on a cul-de-sac i know oh michael's is like you can't say you don't want to be talked about

41:13Ben Mandelker: and then like still talk about other people behind their back you know and pratt's like i feel bad for lake because michael's is masquerading his anger with lake in the name of me being upset but at the end of the day, you got nothing for nothing. I forgave Lake and we're good, but whatever's going on between those two is way deeper than what's going on with me. So Brad's like, I'm not even mad. Stop using me to give you basically a moral compass or whatever with your fight with Lake. I mean, should Lake have told Ella? Probably not. At this point, it's not even about that. In the family issue, but still.

41:59Ronnie Karam: Because at this point, it's not even about that anymore. Like she did it. He's allowed to be annoyed. That's not the thing. It's not like, well, you know, she's whatever. You know, he's allowed to be annoyed. But it's just this way of taking it out on someone's really gross. And following them into a bathroom and screaming after you've dissed them all day in front of everybody and treated them like shit. And done your best to just make her miserable and cry all day. It's just bully behavior. It's shitty behavior. and especially when he's talking about it to everyone else and then being like well that's not her business to talk about it to any well why is it yours she was at least involved in this you

42:31Ben Mandelker: know what i mean you weren't and he said last week that his real issue is that it makes him look like the town gossip and like that's really his issue right now but he is the town gossip he's walking

42:41Ronnie Karam: around literally gossiping to everybody about what a bitch she is so yeah so lake goes back out there and um she sits down and she's like so i'm back which i thought was funny it's like you can see yeah she's like um when it comes to being almost painted like i wasn't defending you

43:02Ben Mandelker: brad my way of coping is through confiding in others and i'm sorry that um that that broke your trust and like this hurts and it hurts to see how angry you were with me and i'm not really trying to make you angry with me and i know i broke your trust by confiding in my friends with this and like i think it's just like my way of like trying to figure she is sitting there and she's sobbing at the table i mean this girl is sobbing and she's like you know like the last

43:23Ronnie Karam: thing i want is for you to paint me as someone who doesn't constantly defend people of color because i do that and i'll always be there and i stand as an advocate and i hate that i did this to our relation and she's sobbing like i hate that i did this and she's like because i hate not talking to you michaels and i hate when you walk by me and you don't even acknowledge me like i hated that so now michael starts crying but i can't feel anything for michael's now because i don't even care like fuck off he's like you've made now now it's okay because now you've broken her to the point where she's sobbing and begging for you in front of everybody it's just exactly

43:57Ben Mandelker: that's how i felt too i just felt like no he's like well i'm not good with like faking my emotions like i can't like just smile but a smile on my face and be fucking like fake that's like not me i don't move like that no one's asking you to be fake we're just asking you to be rational and to not be a dick yeah like you can be upset at your friend and deal with it you can even vent to your other friends first to like get your mind in the right place of how to deal with it but like you what you can't be is just like a total asshole dick you know you can see later in the episode when maddie is mad at joe she's cold to him but she also like she's she's she she well she doesn't there's no resolution between the two of them but she at least addresses it pretty soon right after that and this is just he was like non-conference he was he's very avoidant with her but then also making her suffer and humiliating her and i just was like this is shitty i mean yeah so michael's

44:51Ronnie Karam: is now crying and he's can't fake his emotions and blah she's like okay but i go mute too like so they make her they make up basically and so brad's like okay guys it's okay like why are we crying and trustin's like hey like people like you and they're like yeah you're fine like we love you everybody loves you lake and then emmy gets mad she's like wow well brad accepted lake's

45:16Ben Mandelker: apology he's in the corner everyone's like there's this happy moment at the end of the table where brad has literally said your apology and he's like she only had to apologize because she was not standing up to you properly you dingbat fucking emmy so um emmy's like i mean i'm right here like i'm literally right here and i deserve to have a conversation but like i'm not getting

45:41Ronnie Karam: any respect or courtesies that everyone else around me is getting so what what apology does

45:46Ben Mandelker: emmy want to have is it because brad sent that text that said you're dead to me you're dead to me bitch i guess i guess but like he actually gave you an apology if he already that you guys already settled that and he was whatever it was so there's nothing yeah this new fight isn't about

46:04Ronnie Karam: the microaggression, Amy. It's about you going and saying afterwards that you only faked an apology so that he wouldn't ruin your life. So now they're like, oh, fuck this. Let's get a shot. So they go in and Michael's in Lake hug. And he's like, okay, we're going to be fine. Stop being dramatic. Okay. And so she's so happy to be friends with him again. And I'm just like, stay away from him. That's not your friend. I mean, if your friend is, if your friend's going to act like that when there's any kind of a problem, I mean, friendships have problems sometimes. You know, I can't be friends with someone who's going to treat me like that when there's a problem.

46:45Ronnie Karam: Fuck that.

46:46Ben Mandelker: Yeah. I mean, part of it, too, is that they are like 22, 23, and they're dumb. They're babies. They're like at a very dumb age. So I don't ever want to give anyone a pass. But like sometimes we forget that like when you're 22 and 23, you think this is how you resolve things.

47:00Ronnie Karam: and you're just listen i give myself a pass for being like when i was 48 i'm like oh my god i was a baby what did i know i forgive myself so yeah i do kind of give a pass but at the same time it's like it was hard in this situation it's not like michael's isn't dead to me but like still this is

47:18Ben Mandelker: just this was dead but like it was to me this was like um this really was a big it was a big demerit on my end because i've actually really enjoyed michaels and i i really like him and i and i think that he his whole thing is that he's like a mature 21 year old mature 22 year old and we're seeing this season that he's actually not at all i mean we saw last season too but this season we're really seeing that he's not like he's he is a young a very young man who uh carries with him a lot of trauma and i think we see it bubble out in in some of these social interactions

47:54Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but age aside, you should not be screaming at women, period. And this is the second time he's done it this season. And both times after he's done it and he kind of gets called out by people, he starts sobbing. And that's not good. That's not a good personality trait. So hope he fixes that one. So they make up. And then inside, Bella's like, slumber party. And everyone's like, who are you? So they come out in their outfits. And they're being wacky.

48:21Ben Mandelker: We thought we invited Ella.

48:22Ronnie Karam: so this is awkward. Yeah, so me and Justin sit by the fire and she's like, you're sexy. He's like, you're sexy. Are you kidding me? Look who's talking. God, Bruce Willis was good in that. You know, I feel like I won't say much about myself, but I will say this. I'm good energy, all right? Talk about my nuts a lot, coming on people's faces. That's how it is, you know? So that's all that matters.

48:45Ben Mandelker: Mia, may I ask you this? Have you ever tried to squeeze a watermelon through an opening the size of a lemon? sorry that was just some Luke's talking commentary for you great quote energy you know how I try and

48:57Ronnie Karam: fuck one girl constantly promise her I'm not going to do anything with anyone else at work and then try and get in your pants on camera just to upset her that's good energy good energy Justin

49:10Ben Mandelker: um so uh the girls are brushing their teeth and everything and they're like watching uh well like Like Brad is like making some burgers and stuff like that. And then Michaels and TJ are watching Mia and Justin flirting. And some are like, kiss, kiss. And then TJ moons them for no reason. He's like, if you guys kiss, then we'll kiss. She's like, well, if we kiss, you'll kiss? Like, yeah, yeah, we'll totally do that. So then like both sets kiss and everyone's like, oh my God. But then Mia and Justin really kiss like a lot. And then everyone's like, wow. And everyone cheers. And it's very Love Island coded.

49:46Ronnie Karam: so now michaels and tj go to bed so we see them in the dark and they turn on the tv and michaels is like we need to watch salt lake city so we see them watching it and then we just hear them start fucking and uh michaels is like wow you have a nice ass and tj's like me yeah don't act dumb is that your aunt eater

50:08Ben Mandelker: yeah don't be scared of him he's nice the stuff you put on your butt tastes good by the way Oh my god are the cameras in there while he's eating his butt? What the hell's happening? It was like a GoPro and it just keeps on zooming in closer and closer on the Salt Lake City like episode that's airing like Bronwyn in a car or something like that. Nothing gets it up like seeing the women of Salt Lake City fight in like 1776 garb.

50:39Ronnie Karam: Everyone's gonna take a drunk test.

50:41Ben Mandelker: I love eating your ass. you're an alcoholic and a pill popper.

50:46Ronnie Karam: Oh yeah. Take it all. So the morning, everyone's hung over and making mimosas and stuff and bread in the toaster pops up. And then we're like, Oh my God, I want to leave. I want to leave. I'll leave. That toaster did not even apologize to me.

51:03Ben Mandelker: I feel unsafe with this toaster. I feel very unsafe.

51:10Ben Mandelker: Yeah. So people are, people are milling about and everything. And they're just like getting their, their breakfast, et cetera. And they're like joking about Michael's shorts being so small and like, Hey, does anyone's body hurt them? Like, yeah, my body hurts. Yeah. Me too. Me too. Me too. Me too. And then Mia's like, I'm going to like, um, work out. I'm going to help Michael's workout. My Michael's going to help me work out my bruise. So Michael's takes like a egg whisk and starts rubbing this egg whisk into Mia's thigh. and I'm like, are you guys six years old playing doctor? First of all, why aren't you not supposed to rub a bruise?

51:44Ben Mandelker: And what is an egg whisk supposed to do?

51:46Ronnie Karam: I don't know, but always be wary of cooking utensils in an Airbnb, always. Yeah, exactly. So Mia is asking if Michael's made that with TJ and he's like, yeah, you saw us outside. And they're like, but did you guys do it? Did you fuck? Oh my God. and then they're you know all the couples are teasing each other and just they're like oh my god Mia and Justin did you guys do it and they're like yeah so they what about Jordan and they're like what about Jordan she's like no Jordan yeah I mean it's like I don't even know that girl like I'm not friends with her like that like I don't send her memes

52:30Ben Mandelker: I'm not like Kyle and PK on Beverly Hills we don't send memes to each other

52:35Ronnie Karam: that's the watermark she's like yeah if i send you memes we're friends and i don't have a relationship with her and justin's giving me like no signs that you know he's a single man he's single as a motherfucking prinkle and in charleston that's a literal single person who's never going to find anybody so i mean it justin tells us um yeah i called jordan to explain

52:58Ben Mandelker: what happened and you know before lakehead goes scaring off to jordan about it and i just just And I just basically got cussed out. Like a lot of FUs, you're this, you're that. I think I probably dragged the situation ship on a bit too long, right? Type shit. So now they pack up, time to go. And Joe's like, yeah, I still got a lot of shit to do. Because like, remember, I'm doing like an email party for my birthday. It's like a big deal. I'm like, I saw things. So almost forgot about my birthday. Almost forgot about it.

53:29Ronnie Karam: How did you almost forget about it? You haven't shut up about it for two weeks.

53:33Ben Mandelker: we see them a flashback that they're like hanging like posters up. That's like, come to my birthday. So there's like, I'm putting like five months of my rent into this event. Um, so I'll put it like work out, you know? So then they go back to asking TJ and, and, um, Michaels about like, did you guys see each other's penises? Yes. And we're like, Oh,

53:56Ronnie Karam: God. Happy. Um, So Justin tells us, yeah, there was like moaning and panting and like sounds that I didn't, I can't humanly replicate the sounds. And TJ's like, I did not eat booty. Molly says, but did he eat your booty? And he's like, I didn't say anything. So they're like, love it. Gay sex. They did it. And so now they all leave because there's going to be a storm. So everybody leaves and we go back to everybody living their home life. Lake's doing laundry. Brad's vacuuming.

54:31Ben Mandelker: And now Lake, I'm sorry, Lake doing laundry was the funniest thing. So she has like, um, standing units, whatever. And, uh, she has her, like her washing machine doors open and she comes around the corner with a big pile of laundry in her, in her arms to put into the washing machine. And instead of just like putting in the washing machine, she like tries to throw it in there. Like she's like afraid to get close to the washing machine. So just throws it all somehow misses and just falls right in front of it. I just was laughing at the total inefficiency and inefficacy of this process for her. Not a lot of spatial awareness there.

55:11Ronnie Karam: So Joe and Maddie wake up and he's like, I'm a little hungover. She goes, yeah, I'm not. Maybe you should try to do better at that. He's like, what? She goes, nevermind. He's like, yeah, also like I've had a hell of a week, like a disto, like working on my birthday party, like my event, you know, like having all of this in the back of my head, it's been hard. Like I had to go out and rub my penis on my truck.

55:35Ben Mandelker: I have so much in the back of my head that it actually is like on top of my head. Now that's what like, it's like my bump it's just my anxiety. So she's like, you know, I know Joe is going through like a lot. He's like turning 30, which was like a very scary age. Cause like at that point you might as well just like enter a home, but like he's really lost in his career. And it's like, it's almost like he goes to alcohol to cope with it. And then we see a sequence of Joe being, you know, drinking and everything. and he's like, I'm just like, I'm like, it's like a little bump in the road, a bump it in the road, if you will, where I feel like I'm like plateauing.

56:03Ben Mandelker: I just got like losing my fire and I'm getting bombarded with like hundreds of people every night. Like I love it for like an hour or two. And then I just like, just want to drink.

56:12Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And so he's like, yeah, like the only reason like I'm turning, turning nervous about turning 30 is like, where's my career right now? And so he says that he wants to get married to Maddie and he doesn't want to be proposing while he's like working at the door in a club. like I want more and I told Leva like I want to partner with you in Lamar but she was like you know like if I just didn't go to a few of your DJ sets like that they would have considered to like partner with me at the new location and so nice spin on that by the way

56:40Ben Mandelker: she wasn't like it wasn't like oh you just missed this opportunity by just a few he's making Leva sound unreasonable like like she kicked him out of the opportunity based on just like one or two DJ sets and she was like no you up and left and started touring with Maddie the whole summer and we've, you disappeared. It wasn't just like, Oh, just one or two gigs.

56:59Ronnie Karam: And she's like, but you've been working your ass off for them for like five years, Joe. Like you do every job over there. Like you're a manager, you're a bar back, you're a hostess, like literally every job. He's like, well, this is our female. So host, whatever.

57:15Ben Mandelker: I don't know. You need like a PowerPoint about it. I actually could do a PowerPoint. It's like, no, no, I hear you, but like, I just don't know what to do. Like, I'm just kind of like, I'm like kind of stuck. I'm like, go to your job, Joe.

57:25Ronnie Karam: That's what you do. Do your job, Joe. That's all they're asking you to do. Show up to work. So, um, now we're back at Republic and everyone's hung over and tired and Jordan walks in and everyone's like, Oh my God, Jordan. Well, you found your ruse.

57:41Ben Mandelker: I'm Jordan. Leva meanwhile is in the back room and she's looking at like the tables that are sold for the night. And she's like, wow, four tables, weak, weak sauce, weak-a-doodle-doo. I'm like, where's Leah's CEO, by the way? Because she'd be on top of this shit.

57:57Ronnie Karam: Where is Leah's CEO? I need her back in my life. This is bullshit. What, did they get rid of Leah? I need Leah back immediately. So, Michaels is like, well, Joe did at least book one. And she's like, I'm sitting in on this meeting. So, she goes in and she's like, guys, guys, I saw four tables. That's pretty fucking weak. Like, maybe try to sell some tables and like maybe get some people in here before?

58:20Ben Mandelker: Yeah, like one. Damn, I feel like there's like no one else in the room right now. It's like she was talking directly to my bump it. It's like, yeah, Joe knows my eyes. He knows he needs to book at least five tables. That's the bare minimum. He's like, oh yeah? Well, I'm pretty sure there are some women in their upper 50s who are ready for a table outside. So I'm going to get to work.

58:43Ronnie Karam: Listen, one thing I can find on the street any night is a Countess Luan fan. I'm about to do it. So they start working and now we see some sexual tension with Michaels and Justin because Michaels is like, hey, Teej, do you have any VIP menus back there? TJ's like, yeah. And everyone's like, oh, my God, I feel the sexual tension.

59:07Ben Mandelker: TJ does that thing when he really likes someone is that he scurries away. He's like, here's the menus. He like runs off to the other side of the bar. So then Joe's outside. There's these ladies, and he's like, hey, ladies, what's going on? What are you celebrating? Oh, we're celebrating your birthday. Oh, your 30th birthday. Oh, my God, I love you. Yeah, if you guys want to get a VIP table, we give you that, like a bottle of sparklers and sign and all that. You can even touch the bumper.

59:34Ronnie Karam: It's the sparklers. What? You got sparklers. Like, hell yes, we're in, young man. Get us in there.

59:42Ben Mandelker: Yeah, yeah, there's sparklers. Can you play Stevie Nicks? I don't know who that is But sure we can ask him So Joe Joe's like Lava? Have I not proved to you That like After like year after year I get the job done Let me cook I got those

59:57Ronnie Karam: She's like yeah This last minute attempt To getting old ladies From the street Is like not winning me over Joe Try harder Try harder Joe So he stops in a mirror And he's Oh no Now we're at Michael's And Michael stops in a mirror And he's like God I'm hot So then he gets on On Zoom with Corey A talent manager Who met him in LA and it's going to make him a star.

1:00:18Ben Mandelker: Totally trustworthy. I think this seems like a great idea. Like, what could possibly go wrong? And he's like, well, what do you want for yourself, Michaels?

1:00:26Ronnie Karam: He's like, oh my God, like, Tommy Hilfiger, Calvin Klein, Lauren, Ralph Lauren, that would be great. He goes, you know what I see? I see you on billboards in Times Square. That's what I see, Michaels.

1:00:36Ben Mandelker: This guy's such a con artist. You're going to be on Times Square, okay? So it's like, yeah, so he really, like, what he sees from me is because I like, you know, I'm like I'm like living in the south but I like work in hospitality and like one thing you don't ever see with models they never work in hospitality so I'm like pretty unique and then I'm also sexy and fun which is something you don't see in like a model and also like I'm gay and like one thing with models male models rarely gay so like I'm kind of like a unicorn

1:01:08Ronnie Karam: so uh he's been wanting to be a model forever so he's gonna do it and then Then we go to Rainy Shift at Republic and Maddie clocks in. She's like, oh my God, like it's raining so hard. Like I'm afraid to get my equipment wet. But she does. And she comes in and she's going to have to DJ inside. So Joe comes up. He's 23 minutes late. And he's like, Michael's like, oh my God, you may be tired, but your outfit is cut fitness. So, and she's like, thank you. But like, also like I'm pissed because Joe told me he was working that night and like last night. And of course, like I have his location. So like I check his location and it's at another bar.

1:01:43Ben Mandelker: it's not like I'm like an uber tracker I only track Joe when he's like not responding to make

1:01:47Ronnie Karam: sure he's like not dead in a ditch somewhere so he's been lying to her and so she's like yeah and I hate that Leva has this perception like I have anything to do with him missing out on work like you know I don't make him come with me or hang out with me like he wants to do that you know what I mean and Michaels is like yeah so Joe comes in and um he's like hey are you playing You're DJing inside. Do you want me to help you move it outside? She's like, yeah, it's raining outside, Joe. So. Yeah, I guess that's a good point.

1:02:20Ben Mandelker: Yeah, so I'm complaining here. Okay. You want food or anything? Like, you okay? Not really. She's obviously pissed at me and I have no idea why, but I don't know if I'd rather have Maddie yell at me, embarrass me in front of everyone. I'm like, there's no one in the room, Joe. It's like the pretzels. I don't want the pretzels to be, to like pass judgment on me. Or maybe I should just be silent. Like this is the most annoying part of our relationship is when she gets mad. And I don't know why, like, what did I do?

1:02:48Ronnie Karam: So after she's done working, she's like, okay, look, um, there's something I want to talk to you about. Like I'm pissed because I feel like I constantly check your location and you're not at Republic. You're out at a bar. And like, I don't find that appropriate. Like I support you starting a business and bettering your life, not staying, saying that you're doing that, but then you're going out and drinking, going on a bender.

1:03:08Ben Mandelker: I wasn't on a bender. I was home at 11 p.m. Is that a bender? Well, whatever. I mean, is that a fucking bender at 11 p.m.? Do I remember where I was? Did I come home with not wearing any pants? Perhaps, but it's not a bender if I come back at 11 p.m.

1:03:21Ronnie Karam: And she's like, well, if you spent time at home, then you would have a proposal together, you know? Like, maybe you would have a bar open. Like, make an effort. And he's like, oh, my God. Like, well, Friday, I worked till 1, and then I went to Lamar's, but that's also work because it's owned by the same place. so got you on that one

1:03:39Ben Mandelker: no you didn't Joe because I just talked to Michaels and he said you left work on Friday and you didn't work last night well at 1am so since I worked since I went to work on Thursday and I worked until 1am that counts that I worked on Friday too if you think about it he's like I didn't say I was going to work yesterday

1:03:59Ronnie Karam: she was L-O-Fucking-L Joe

1:04:03Ben Mandelker: classic Matt now you know you've gotten her mad if she's spelling out lol hello fucking hell joe yeah not a single time did i tell you why i was

1:04:11Ronnie Karam: going to work yesterday not a single time okay so you didn't communicate with me on thursday friday and saturday and sunday this weekend you have to work at republic he's like no that's not true she's joe that is a lie why are you lying joe you fucked up joe i'm not lying what's your deal like

1:04:26Ben Mandelker: how can we solve this like would you want me to like stay at home with you all night long that's like crazy why'd i ever want to hang out with my girlfriend and she's like we need space okay she's

1:04:35Ronnie Karam: like our realities aren't matching up and it's inappropriate you go out you go to after parties you know well after the business is closed he's like i'm not doing that though like i sent you a picture of me in bed at like 11 15 last night like i was in bed i was taking a picture of me she's like no you didn't he goes yeah i swear to fucking god like i'll show you my fucking uber it's in your fucking head you're smiling right now you're like going cuckoo you're cray cray and

1:04:56Ben Mandelker: then he like shows her a picture of her like in his uber at 11 30 and so maddie is like this is like the first time in any relationship i've been more worried about my boyfriend actually getting wasted and cheating on me. It's extremely triggering to my sobriety. She goes, you don't even remember last night. He goes, okay, cool. You know what? I'm going. I can't deal with this. Why would you do this? Okay. Like, God, you're making me so emo, which is actually kind of good if you think about it, because I got an emo party coming up, but you begged me not to work here. And then when I like go to work, you like scream at me.

1:05:22Ben Mandelker: They're crazy.

1:05:23Ronnie Karam: And she was like, I've never begged you not to work here. I begged you on my hands and knees, Joe, go to work, work here, but you don't work here. And he's like, yes, I do. She goes, you show up and you leave. He's like, this is all in your brain, by the way. It's all in your head.

1:05:35Ben Mandelker: Like, doo-doo, doo-doo.

1:05:36Ronnie Karam: She goes, oh yeah, okay, it's all in my head, Joe.

1:05:39Ben Mandelker: So, she - Because when you begged me to work here, you didn't realize it was opposite days. So you really weren't begging me to work here. Joe, stop it, stop it. It's like, look, look, okay, you know, this is just, it's all bullshit, okay? You're always saying, oh, I work, I work, I never leave. Well, why are you coming after me? Like, why would you do this to me? I'm gonna go, I'm gonna leave in my truck, bye. So he gets into his truck and drives off. and Maddie's left there alone, but Michaels is there because he's everywhere. And she just goes up to him and she's like, I'm like, I'm sober and it like sucks because I feel like he's going out all the time and getting hammered.

1:06:11Ben Mandelker: And then I feel like I'm the fucking enabler. And I don't know if I'm like mentally and emotionally okay with being like the town drunk or being with the town drunk.

1:06:18Ronnie Karam: Yeah, this is not going to work out unless he either stops drinking or curbs it. I don't know how you can be sober and be with someone who's not getting wasted every night. That's just, yeah. That is going to be - You can be friends with them, but I don't know that you can like be a couple with somebody like that. That's yeah. Yeah.

1:06:36Ben Mandelker: Especially cause I think that she wants her man to be a little bit more ambitious. And Joe, I think it's probably coasting a bit on being a reality star and like having these sort of quasi plans.

1:06:47Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And she is living, she's working really hard at living her dream and he's just complaining that nobody's handing him anything. And that's gotta be really annoying to be around when it's like, well, why didn't they just give me a restaurant? She's like, I'm out here working my fucking balls off and you're complaining while you're going drinking every night instead of showing up at work and shit. So I don't know.

1:07:07Ben Mandelker: Michael's like, his behavior hasn't changed. Like, I don't know if it's going to change anytime soon. Oh my God, like, don't cry. You're making me cry. Like, stop. Like, I'm a model now. I'm not supposed to cry. It's not making me look beautiful.

1:07:20Ronnie Karam: Well, that's that. So we'll see everybody. Well, thanks for being here with us. We'll be back tomorrow with Real Housewives of Beverly Hills and Ladies of London.

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