#3308 Ladies of London S4E07: Margo! Polo!

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1:24Ronnie Karam: Well, hello and welcome to What's With Crabbins, a podcast about all the ghastly things that happen on Bravo Television. I'm Ronnie and that's Ben. Hello, Ben. How are you? I'm great. Thanks, Ronnie. How are you? Sweet little dumpling. God damn it. I love your little face. Everybody, welcome to the show. It is Friday, April 10th. All right. For those of you in the future listening to this, like, what am I even talking about? It's because you're in the future. You don't understand. Okay. Today, you're going to learn some history about the Ladies of London. Ladies of London, great show. If you want to see this instead of listen to it, you can because we record these every day on Vidja.

2:06Ronnie Karam: You can get those at our Patreon. That's also where you get bonus episodes. This week was the City in the City, the new show coming to Bravo. It's a trailer trash of that. We did a Survivor recap. We're doing Top Chef next week. It's a fun place to be. You will also get our Discord server. And for free, if you just want to sign up for some free stuff, you can get our weekly recap blog. It's like a comedy blog making fun of all the shows we cover. Just kind of recapping the week. Just go sign up for that for free at patreon.com. It's called Read What Crappens. And today is Ladies of London, Season 4, Episode 7, Horsing Around.

2:44Ronnie Karam: How do you feel, Ben? How are you feeling today? How do you feel about the episode? What's on your mind in general?

2:49Ben Mandelker: It's my favorite show on Bravo is Ladies of London. I think it's so good. I love that. It's the way we end our week. I just. It's just it's such a funny ass show. It's just the chemistry is so great. I am obsessed. What's going on with you? What do you think?

3:06Ronnie Karam: I loved it, too. I was cracking up the whole scene of Mark talking about being a child. Baby laughs so hard. The pictures they showed of Mark. Of course, that was Mark as a baby. I mean, it was drawn by a cartoonist. I mean, that was just, of course, it's like the epitome of everything you think Mark would be as a child. It was Mark. It's like the little dandiest child I'd ever seen in my life.

3:34Ben Mandelker: He really was. And the pictures look like they're from 1962, but they've got to be from 1994. And yeah, just absolutely hilarious. actually he reminded me a lot of the way the Simpsons depicts Mr. Burns as a child so it's hilarious that Margot then started calling him Mr. Burns later on which I was like that was really good like that was hilarious I mean Margot I kind of keep on wanting to hate Margot because I'm like I'm on team Kimmy but Margot's can be Margot could be really funny too I'm like wow she's like a funny American

4:09Ronnie Karam: I think she was great casting for sure I mean she's a great foil for these people and she's fearless, which I like. She does not give a shit. She's going to come for them no matter what. And I think they need that on this show. But when they showed Mark as a little baby with an ascot, when I tell you I fell over, I had to keep rewinding it.

4:30Ben Mandelker: Also, there was something really wonderful about that moment when he found out that Margot was claiming that she was bullied. And he was like, you know what? I spent the first 20 years of my life being savagely bullied. you were not bullied and i thought that was actually really great because the word bully has been thrown around a lot on bravo ever since kelly ben simone stepped off the plane from scary island and like for sure there are things that can feel like bullying up on etc but the truth is that when we really talk about people getting bullied we know what bullying really really is we You know, it's like, it's on the schoolyard.

5:10Ben Mandelker: It's not on playground. It is like children being made to feel lesser than and like, you know, cyberbullying. It's just, it's so awful and so vile that like to be, you know, you know, to have like two people be mean to you on reality TV is just not the same as what I really think bullying is. It to me, it's just as I think he says later on in the episode, maybe it's a ganging up, but it's not bullying. and I kind of felt like him saying that as like kind of the first Bravo Liberty in my memory to sort of draw that line between what really bullying is, I thought was really kind of great.

5:51Ronnie Karam: Well, I mean, look, I think sometimes bullying does happen on these shows and, you know, as a gay kid, I was bullied a lot. You know, I'm sure that shocks everybody. I got it all. I mean, I was a super gay child. Imagine me now, 10 times care. I was really gay. And so, of course, I got bullied a lot And I do my hackles rise sometimes with that. But at the same time, people do get bullied on these shows, you know, to a lesser degree. I'm not going to be like trauma Olympics about it. Like, well, that's not real. Like, I was pushed into lockers and I had gum thrown in my hair and stuff like that, which made me cry.

6:21Ronnie Karam: The thing that gets me upset with Margo saying it is that Margo is giving it as good as she's getting it. So for her to be like, I've been bullied every time they walk into a room, Margo's like, oh, God, look, there's Mark. She's making fun of him from the sidelines. and she's making fun of Kimmy and she's talking shit just as much as everybody else. So to me, it's more like when an actual bully, you know, someone who's doing that same behavior is suddenly like you hit them back and they're like, oh no, I'm being bullied. It's like, no, you deserved it. Today on Reddit, I saw something where a girl was filming herself beating up another girl.

6:56Ronnie Karam: She had one of her friends film her bullying another girl and then another girl saw it and she went outside and had her friend videotaped her beating the shit out of a little bully girl and i was like that's it this is it get them on bravo this is what i need in my life so if it's bullying i love that they're all doing it

7:16Ben Mandelker: yeah i mean i think there are definitely things that are like that feel like bullying etc i just think that bullying gets used as this like get out of jail free from an from a from an argument and it's like no you just can't say that like bullying i agree it's so vicious and so vile but i mean we we see we can see versions of it we just saw it on southern hospitality michael's i felt like was you know was being so mean to lake that it kind of had shades of bullying like he made her cry but i think ultimately i loved i loved mark being like yeah you can't say that i'm a bully i mean one thing we can call mark that was a cut fitness and that is like undeniable He is the biggest cut fitness of them all.

7:59Ronnie Karam: Well, I like that. He's like, this isn't bullying. It's just general, you know, assholery or whatever he says. He wouldn't say that. By the way, we are accidentally live today on YouTube. So hi, everybody on YouTube. They're like, can they see us? Do they know they made this mistake? Yes, we do. Because guess who made it? Again, me for the second time this week. I didn't categorize it. But yeah, we'll be reading your comments and stuff as we go along today. so far we've got um annie saying sadly mark has been damaged by the bullying it made him see more seem more genuine and not just like a meanie yeah yeah yeah yeah you know it's like they talk about on real housewives of atlanta like um it's fun shade you know it's not bullying it's like you're on one of these shows we're going to be shady on these shows if you're going to fucking cry about it get another job you know yeah yeah so we start off in richmond park and we see horses and cyclists and just general pasty people because we are in london and micah's in the car with her brother braun i can't a guy who works out too much and is named braun oh my god just get on the fucking cover of a paper towel you know what i mean he really can't

9:13Ben Mandelker: well i'm sure when he was named they weren't like this baby's gonna be jacked

9:18Ronnie Karam: But his name's like Bronson, you know? And he's like, I'm going to go by Braun because like I work out and I'm going to curl my mustache too. I'm going to like have a mustache, but I'm going to curl it. And that's going to set me apart from the other trainers.

9:29Ben Mandelker: I really feel like the handlebar mustache was more of the offender than his name being Braun. Like I was okay with the name being, with his name Braun, but that handlebar mustache, I mean, I just don't like them. I actually have a specific dislike of people who have good bodies and have a handlebar mustache because at the gym I used to go to LA fitness, which apparently I'm still a member of, uh, there was a guy who would show up and he had this, he had this like hipster fucking handlebar mustache, but he was like jacked. And I don't know why, like that doesn't like, it doesn't kind of work for me.

10:03Ben Mandelker: It's like, you're either a hipster and you're rejecting, you're rejecting mainstream aesthetics, right? Because you're a hipster and you're going to go for your own thing, or you're going to be someone who's going to go with like a mainstream, like this is what a good body is but to be like to double dip i felt like is just cruel that's true it's like taking from two

10:25Ronnie Karam: two different groups to just be liked by somebody you know yeah well it's like i'm working out but everybody looks the same but then i'm you know i'm not really a hipster but i can get a mustache it's just like trying really hard you know somebody who signs up for too many clubs in high schools yeah yeah i just don't like that yeah i mean bronze seems very nice but the i think you're right it started with a mustache and then i was like andrew names braun and then everything is just kind of um adding up you know it's just evidence that's adding up to like basically a murder conviction you know like enough a little one thing isn't so bad two things isn't so bad but by the end i think he's a murderer and he needs to be thrown in prison at least he took his shirt

11:05Ben Mandelker: off for us so um mike is like i am one of three children i am the middle child the only girl the my older brother is Shane and my younger brother is Bron and Bron lives in Boston and he flew in for my birthday and Bron is the best trainer in America. I'm like, so he is a trainer and you are an etiquette instructor. Are you guys just like trying to just be like the help for all the wealthy people? It's like, what is Shane doing? Shane is like, he's like, he's a professional valet, like, like Mr. Bates. Um, I just think it's like really funny. They're like very, They're in these very specific things that wealthy people call upon, and their family is employed in it.

11:47Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Braun is also not there for your birthday. He's there for the TV. I'm sorry to break it to you, but Braun is using you, Micah. He's a user. So we see Braun, and it says Braun has Braun on the screen. And there's a bunch of thirst trap photos of him working out in a Speedo. He's one of those. He's like, work out with me and possibly think you can get my cornhole.

12:09Ben Mandelker: Yeah. It's like every week we've got a weekly call, hence every week. And we just work out. And it's just such a cool thing to me that we get to work out together on a weekly basis, which we do every week. Every week we do it. Every week. Every week. Weekly. If you can train me, you can train anyone, guys.

12:28Ronnie Karam: Isn't that crazy? If my sister called me to work out every week, I would not have a sister. I'll tell you that right now. If anybody in my family was like, hey, Ronnie, it's our weekly workout call, I would disown them and I would go nonverbal. What do you call it when you cut somebody off? I'd go no contact.

12:50Ben Mandelker: Nonverbal, it's different.

12:52Ronnie Karam: It is different, sorry. I'm not making autism jokes over here. I really meant no contact. My sister asked me to work out. I'm like, I'm autistic now. No, that's not what I was saying. I was saying, oh, I had a bug in my house. I had a karma bug.

13:08Ben Mandelker: Since we have a live audience, we're more compelled than ever to say things that can get us canceled.

13:13Ronnie Karam: I was making autism jokes. I really wasn't. I meant no contact, okay?

13:18Ben Mandelker: No contact, but it is funny. It is a funny thing. Non-verbal. So they're working out. They, like, found some meadow. This is so British. They're like, let's go to a meadow full of wildflowers and work out. So they did. and Margo is there and Missy and Martha. It's all the M's. And they're working out and Bron is, he's going to be coming to the polo match that they're going to be going to later because Micah wants to take a polo class for her birthday. She's like, Bron and I virtually train every week together. And so I was like, you know what? While you're here, let's do something every week. Like, I don't know.

13:56Ben Mandelker: Let's go to a polo class. And he's like, yeah, what an opportunity to kick some butt and have some fun. Yeah. yeah don't kick my butt too hot martha so they work out and um martha is really

14:10Ronnie Karam: man she's might as well be smoking while she she's like it's like me walking up the hill after i get my mail you know i still will not get my mail because it's too far down the hill i can't do it i come like is it worth it i checked my mail last week there was so much mail in there because i just won't go to the mailbox i'm sorry it's too hard. I need a brawn. I need a brawn just to do that.

14:33Ben Mandelker: You do have a steep driveway. I can understand. So Micah's like, Americans are hardcore about their workouts, especially when they're weekly. And of course, I have the exceptional Emmas, but like most of my friends like do not work out because we see Emma and she's like live and you know, she just did a 10K. But then, yeah, you see Martha, she's like, and that's just her putting on her sneakers.

14:57Ronnie Karam: is it done?

14:58Ben Mandelker: Is it over?

15:00Ronnie Karam: I want to be the kind of girl that wakes up at 6am and goes for a 14.5k run but I'm just not that girl. I'm not that girl.

15:10Ben Mandelker: I'm just a girl who's barely waking up from a hangover

15:13Ronnie Karam: with magpie shit on her forehead. Yeah, so Bronn takes his shirt off and like, oh my god. Yeah, Missy's like, oh well hello great body. Oh yeah. Oh Bronn's a sweetheart. is like a very happy puppy with a mustache.

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17:32Ben Mandelker: And now it's time to gossip. So Micah is like, wait, so Margo, I wanted to check up on you, see how you are after everything. You know what? You know, remember that, by the way, Martha, that was a fabulous party etiquette. And Muntz is like, oh, you're so kind. I got so pissed. I forgot to tell everyone to eat anything. Because pissed in British slang is getting drunk. And so she got really wasted. And then I think we saw a clip of her being like, oh, I do miss having a staff. Or even having four walls in my home. Not having a strange man from the park living on my sofa now.

18:06Ronnie Karam: God, I miss having a staff. And a flushing toilet. drinkable water.

18:13Ben Mandelker: Alright, you know what? Let's just do more squats. Let's do more squats! I do miss having a physical staff that I'm just sort of wedging the hand of the doorway that way random strangers wouldn't come into the house. But as it is, it's sort of like a party every evening.

18:26Ronnie Karam: God, I even miss having a staff infection. At least I had somebody dress my wounds in hospital.

18:32Ben Mandelker: You know, when the bacteria want to eat your arm, at least you know they care. So, yeah, so Margot is saying, you know, when two people gang up on you and everyone else is neutral, sorry, I'm an actress. I'm Margot, an actress. Let me use my real voice. I'll stop with my mouth in position. When two people gang up on you and everyone else is neutral, you're being ganged up on.

19:00Ronnie Karam: You weren't being ganged up on. You were giving it to. She's like, I feel really bullied. I'm really attacked. Well, you know, Kimmy, she generally has a heart of gold, but she's a tiger and she's a tiger because she's had to be a fucking tiger. And if you're on the wrong side of those claws, it can be vicious. And Micah says, yeah. And you're just so similar that when you clash and when you, you know, you're like, I don't know, like, wait, we could actually be best friends. Maybe, maybe because you share a best friend. I don't know. And, you know, and she's like, yeah, I know. And Martha says, you and Kimmy will sort it out because you'll both say it to each other's faces.

19:37Ben Mandelker: and Michael's like yeah with Mark I feel like it's something similar too yes I don't think it's a genuine meanness in Mark I think it's just he's playing for the laugh he likes to be funny and sometimes what he says can be funny as funny as it is cruel and Margo's like but then just be funny which I think is funny as well and she's like can he be forthcoming

19:59Ronnie Karam: I mean look if Mark wasn't I was kind of worried about a gay guy being mixed in because people have said that for years. Like, why don't we have gay guys on Housewives? And I don't necessarily want that. I've never really been a big proponent of that. Like, I'm here to watch the ladies. I'm not really here to watch gay guys get messy because I feel like sometimes when they do mix gay guys in, like we see on some of the other shows, like Southern Charm, and I'm not saying there shouldn't be gay guys on those shows, but I'm just saying sometimes when we see gay guys mixed in, they chase them around and they're like, bitch, you know, and I don't like seeing a guy scream at a woman.

20:34Ronnie Karam: I just don't like it, gay or not. And so on these shows, I just don't want that because it just feels ick. And then I don't want to feel like, come on, guys, why are you yelling at women? Like, I don't want to be that guy all the time. So I think Mark has actually done a really good job at being shady, but also keeping it very funny and very gay and respectful. Like even in his shade, like today, he's like, I'm not going to fight with you. I'm going to go over here. You keep fighting if you want to, but like, I'm not going to get into a screaming match with you. Like I'm not going to do it. And I really liked that.

21:06Ronnie Karam: So I think he's broken that barrier for me. So thanks Mark. Yeah. You're a real pioneer.

21:11Ben Mandelker: Um, I think, I think watching the show, I, I mean, I'm completely on team Mark, team Kimmy. Like that's like, I'm immutable there. However, I think in real life, if I were in Margo's shoes, I would be feeling the exact same way. I'd be like, who the fuck is this dweeb being shady to me? I don't really know you that way. And you're talking shit behind my back. And now you're being shady to me. Like, go fuck off. Honestly, like I would feel that way. And when someone says, Oh, like Kimmy, you just have to get to know where she's a heart of gold. Like you just, if you're on, if you're on the wrong side of her claws, it can feel bad.

21:45Ben Mandelker: I'd be like, well, I don't, well, that's great that she's showing you guys a good side, but I just got those claws. I don't want to fucking know this bitch. So I can actually understand Margo. It just so happens to be that I'm a hundred percent off on, on the opposite side of her. I just like Mark more. Yeah, I like Kimmy and Mark more. I love them. They're funnier, so I like them more. And actually, because they've actually established themselves as being so funny that if they were shady to me, I would be like, thank you. This is an honor. Thank you.

22:13Ronnie Karam: And you're right in what you're saying in that he did start it with her because her thing was between Kimmy and Mark and then he pulled a, well, I've heard that she, you know, she's just an actress and she's totally changed and she's got money, which first of all was so silly i mean it's not even that big of gossip but she he did start it with her so i can see why she's like what the fuck's with this guy coming for me for no reason you know right but like you said i still like him more um so and that's taking it over to bullying is also a bit much lady so uh then we cut to mark oh well she says i think he's so insecure that he He thinks he's this like fake little clown, you know, and he's doing what he's doing is this fake little clown act is going to be more entertaining than the real him.

23:01Ronnie Karam: And I just wish he could just be real. I mean, he's just so desperate for everyone to like him. I mean, you are, too. You're an actor who like jerk someone off on screen. So, like, you're definitely going for the likes, too. So I don't want to hear it from you.

23:14Ben Mandelker: Yes. So now we see Mark walking down a street and he basically goes into this some sort of like art studio, whatever. And he goes, he's going to be looking over schematics, architecture, architects looking over schematics for this house he has in Italy. And he's like, the reason I fell in love with the house in Florence is because it belonged to the Negronis, much like my house in London, which belonged to Oscar Wilde, who is one of my great idols. and we see this mark's house in italy is like a white lotus palace oh my god

23:52Ronnie Karam: is that even real they showed this i almost pooped on the floor this is crazy this guy is rich rich this does if that's real that shit is rich rich that's crazy and these guys are just there to design like the frescoes on the wall like he's gonna have all the walls like painted in these beautiful frescoes. I mean, wow. Yeah, he's keeping the Gills of the Age alive. Yeah, it was. It looked like

24:18Ben Mandelker: a set. Yeah. By the way, someone in the comments, Lindsay says, by the way, wasn't Micah's brother a firefighter? The firefighter mustache predates the hipster mustache. I don't remember. I don't remember if she said he was a mustache or not, if he was a firefighter or not.

24:36Ronnie Karam: Oh, well, you know what? A firefighter. That takes evidence away from the serial killer vibe. So I was about to convict him, but you guys just added hot evidence, which makes, you know, it counteracts the trainer in a Speedo thing and the mustache thing a bit. That's hot.

24:56Ben Mandelker: If he was a firefighter, like he is now officially blazing hot. I'm sorry. Like he is really hot now. Yeah. Okay. Take it back.

25:04Ronnie Karam: I love Braun. I love the name.

25:06Ben Mandelker: What a beautiful name. We could be Ronnie and Bronnie. Let's go back to someone who's not fighting any fires anytime soon, but perhaps is flaming. Mark. So he's looking at his house and he's saying how both of my parents have always been collectors. So I grew up essentially in auction houses. As a child, I was never really around people my age unless I was at school and I found them all rather boring anyway. And we see these pictures of him and it's like, it's like, it sort of is like a sailor's uniform, but it's like that uniform that people in 1905 put their children in.

25:46Ronnie Karam: He's like three years old in an ascot, like holding a pipe and, you know, tiny little martini glass. I mean, this show is so funny. And the conversation he's having at the same time with the guys is so funny, too. He's like, well, you know, in my Italian home, the drawing room has this amazing color palette in the ceiling. So I'd love if we could just go off the color palette in the Italian home. And they're like, well, we were thinking maybe beige and cream. And he's like, beige, cream. Oh, God, that's a sin. Burn me alive if anybody ever finds me in beige and cream. Awful. Oh, what am I?

26:23Ben Mandelker: Marga going to West Elm. as a child i was never really around people oh i've mentioned this already i just want to emphasize it so i many ways i consider myself an old soul i have no interest in popular culture so they the producer is like okay we're gonna do a pop culture quiz who's dora the explorer which by the way why do we start there that was so funny though they go who's dora the explorer and he looks

26:49Ronnie Karam: genuinely perplexed. He's like, I have no idea who that person is. Okay, have you ever seen a Star Wars movie? No. I haven't seen Star Wars. Can you name a video game? A video game. The Sims. The Sims. It was the most random.

27:09Ben Mandelker: The Sims. Of course, he can build himself homes.

27:13Ronnie Karam: He can build himself homes all over the world.

27:17Ben Mandelker: I like to think of the sims as people i would never hang out around um i would love to see his sims homes

27:23Ronnie Karam: you know they're just fucking amazing oh my gosh yes oh and they go so uh what group was beyonce in before she went solo and he goes oh i don't know but i know beyonce and i went to a concert i was underwhelmed oh god i shouldn't have said that be careful mark he's messing he literally knows he legit knows Beyonce. He's like, sure, I'll come to a little concert.

27:47Ben Mandelker: Where is it? His pop culture knowledge basically is the Sims and Beyonce, which is amazing. What is that man doing with the little spatula? It's called a barbecue, Mark. I'm not familiar. What exactly is a surfboard?

28:07Ben Mandelker: Lemonade? Is that like Limoncello?

28:10Ronnie Karam: So now we go back to the park with everybody else who was working out. Margo's like, I mean, the thing about Mark is like, he thinks he's funny and like, laughing and whatever, but he's not. He's just mean, and he doesn't have a sense of humor. Okay, now you're going too far, Margo. He is funny. It's just at your expense, and I get why that would hurt your feelings, but it doesn't make it not funny, okay?

28:33Ben Mandelker: But I think that Mark there, he's got a pure heart of gold. Literally.

28:37Ronnie Karam: It's literal gold. His family didn't like him very much, so they took out his little innocent baby heart and replaced it with the golden heart.

28:45Ben Mandelker: He has been gilded from the inside out. And weirdly, I think it's that heart of gold that ironically makes him really mean because he wants to make other people laugh and have fun. He also happens

28:56Ronnie Karam: to have a golden sphincter, but we don't mention that much because it doesn't have much to do with personality, does it?

29:05Ben Mandelker: Micah's like, oh, we should take him to that golden corral when we get to America. I'm sure he'll love that. Oh, God! I know what that is. So now we go back to Mark in the studio. And he's asking about timelines and stuff. The producer is like, you know, you have a reputation. Okay. Not being aloof, but being like a little untouchable. He goes, oh, I'm so pleased. This thrills me.

29:33Ronnie Karam: But, you know, sometimes, okay, it's a safety mechanism. Is that what you're after? It's a safety mechanism. All right, just go on, please. Let's not make me feel things today. We're doing frescoes in the Italian home. He gets glum right away.

29:46Ben Mandelker: He's like, all right. I've been in this radio before. I was in Maiden Chelsea. All right. Trauma. Daddy didn't talk to me much. Mom and I care. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Here I am. Cry. Safety mechanism. Moving on. Hold on one second. Let me show you a video of my Sims game. That little girl is crying right there. And that will represent me shedding a tear. because I will not do it for you. Thank you.

30:12Ronnie Karam: Back to the park. Margo's like, I mean, it's weird to like give you a compliment and then tear down the thing that you've complimented. Like he's a liar. Like maybe even a psychopath because who does that? Gay people, Margo. I mean, what the hell? Have you never known a gay person in your life?

30:30Ben Mandelker: I imagine all the British people there were like, wait, so give a compliment and tear down that thing. Like, yes, that's what we call humor here on this island.

30:42Ronnie Karam: marcus said things that are funny but like what he's doing to me isn't funny and it's meant to be hurtful and then he's gaslighting me and everyone else by saying oh it's just a joke it's just a joke it's spread a humor no it's not it's shitty and he knows it can we get some

30:58Ben Mandelker: context here it was like you wore a thing that had like big feathers in it and he was like oh and you're like literally having a meltdown about it and like the only rumor that you heard about that the rumor that you heard from him was that he said someone showed up at his party and said that you've been sort of been a diva who's been very concerned about labels lately and you've sort of become very much an actress and then you responded in turn by saying well i heard he's a bag holder for emma and that he has no money he's just trying to attach himself which i think his

31:28Ronnie Karam: parents have disowned him you know yeah it's a little bit more of a vile rumor and the point is

31:32Ben Mandelker: that like he started rumor you started a rumor so that is even and then he came to the party and he You made his fashion.

31:41Ronnie Karam: You were making fun of his fashion, too. I mean, it's like, come on. Meet a gay. Seriously. Get over it. So Micah's like, yeah, well, you know, whenever I'm in a moment where I feel like Margo's being attacked and I'm like, don't you feel this way or whatever, it's like, no, she's pretty awesome. That's what I say. I'm like, she's awesome. And like, he's going to trust me. I mean, I'm an American with the Muppet show about manners in England.

32:05Ben Mandelker: Oh my God. you're gonna make me cry i feel so alone actually that's like really sweet cry and so now they all gather around and are like oh is this what an american goes a group hug oh so she's like guys wow that's really nice thank you so much wow oh but i'm really smelly so i don't want to hug you more than that otherwise you're gonna be in real trouble it's a big issue for me this week sweating

32:31Ronnie Karam: a lot on camera so martha's like well they're both bitching about each other i just hope they give each other a chance, you know? And Missy's like, oh, he needs to know that he needs to know about his behavior. We need to have a talk with him. And Micah's like, well, maybe Missy and I can go have a chat with them, with your permission. Oh, guys, don't do it. Don't do it.

32:50Ben Mandelker: This is not going to work out. She goes, well, I think that Mark is a people pleaser, so if he realizes that this is like not pleasing the people to be a backstabbing little bitch, he'll probably stop.

33:03Ronnie Karam: Yeah. A good point here in the comments from Miss Talluloo. She says, I thought Margo spent many years living in London. If we all got an education from LVP about her British humor, then she would understand British ways. That's true. Also, someone who's been who's like, oh, I'm a London girl. And then they're like, oh, my God, someone's being shady.

33:21Ben Mandelker: Like, yeah. So so now we go to Mark's house and like this place is it's we've seen it before. It's fully gilded. Rococo touches on every corner. the gold leaf here, gold leaf there, swirling paisley patterns and florals. It really is like a museum. It's like when you go on a tour of an old mansion or an old palace and you have to stand behind like a velvet rope and look at a bedroom. And I'm just like, I don't know why it hit me harder this time than the first time. I'm like, how do you live here? How do you just like sit down on your sofa and you're comfortable? And this is like, this is where I live.

33:59Ben Mandelker: That's how he's comfortable.

34:00Ronnie Karam: crazy he's like a straight-backed gay like he does not relax i don't think he like he probably has a fainting couch where he's like oh like i need to relax and then like the room is like not

34:13Ben Mandelker: set up in a in a in a soothing way it just feels like there's just furniture just in random like areas and it's just like oh here's a sofa i'll sit down on it like there's no i don't want to say feng shui because i don't know feng shui but like there's no flow to it like even when you watch you know, Downton Abbey. Those rooms have a flow to them. And this is just like gilded furniture in a gilded room, sort of like haphazardly placed about. I'm like, how are you?

34:38Ronnie Karam: It's a hoarder. He's a hoarder with money, you know? So we look at it because we don't really, we're not rich. So we look at it and we're like, oh my God, he's so rich. But ultimately he's just a hoarder. It's like he's, we find out later, he's just on the auction sites all day long to fill his time. And he just keeps buying really expensive shit. And then when he runs out of a room, he just buys a giant mansion in wherever and just starts doing that. You know, it's a fabulous way to be a hoarder. You know, I feel like it's unfair to poor hoarders because poor hoarders, it's like, oh, my God. You know, you have a cat squished between newspapers from 20 years ago.

35:14Ronnie Karam: Now there's a flat cow. You poor person. Let's get an intervention. But if you're rich, like, oh, my God, he's fabulous. Did you see the twink that was smushed between the National Geographic from 20 years ago? I know. Like an old globe.

35:28Ben Mandelker: So Kimmy shows up and she's like, oh my God. Well, this is the first time I've been at the house. Oh, it's in daylight when I've been sober. So they sit down and he's like, well, I would hate to ask you this, but would you like some water? She's like, water.

35:47Ronnie Karam: What's that? I mean, I don't even know what that is. I did take a shower in it earlier.

35:55Ben Mandelker: How about that was the sole purpose?

36:00Ben Mandelker: So he's like, well, clearly we have a lot to talk about. She's like, yes, well, what did you think about picnic? He's like, well, I don't think I've ever seen you cry. Talk about water coming down your cheeks.

36:12Ronnie Karam: Oh, I know. Martha's my good friend, and I'm with her during the good, the bad, and the ugly. and I miss Margo. You know, Miss Margo starts causing all this gossip. But then Martha, she took her side and I just thought, you know, she's being heavily, heavily manipulated. And I just couldn't take it anymore.

36:32Ben Mandelker: I don't even know who Martha is when she's around Margo. I mean, it's like, I'm talking to a completely different person, you know? And like, she's some kind of like, Margo boss. You see, I thought Martha was smarter than that.

36:46Ronnie Karam: Now, Martha is very bright and then in some other ways she's emotionally really off. Really off. Like, I love her, but sometimes in my life I've had ups and downs and she's the first person to come to my house and say, let's have some tea. You know, she's a very, very kind person. Of course. Of course she is.

37:07Ben Mandelker: But I just think that she gets in a lot of problems. She gets in all these situations, whether it's with men or with friends or with strangers. let's roll the clip for the first of six times this episode of Martha telling me that she let a stranger have her keys.

37:23Ronnie Karam: It really grates me to see someone being taken advantage of and I'm upset, I'm upset about it. And he's like, it's so important to be a good judge of character, isn't it? Oh yeah, well I think this Margot girl is just, you know, using her for people she knows here and I think she's really doesn't join you all. He's like, well that's obvious, but she should realize that, you know, if someone's causing trouble between all her friends, then there's obviously something amiss.

37:52Ben Mandelker: Well, I know, I know, and I think her true colors will shine soon. So now we go to the body lab and Martha. Wow, she's exercising for the second time in an episode. She's with her friend Mimi, who we saw earlier in the last episode, and they're doing that thing where they're working out with the the the things that zap you and give you like electrocute you for better workouts etc do those work i don't want to know

38:25Ronnie Karam: if all this shit works like does that thing like it shakes your fat off does that work or does the cool sculpting work because i heard that cool sculpting just like it melts your fat but then your fat sinks down into other parts of your bodies and you have clumps of fat everywhere

38:37Ben Mandelker: you know like does any of this shit work cool sculpting apparently does work but there is a very scary potential side effect which is what happened to linda evangelista which is that like if things go awry like there's a chance that your fat will just kind of like congeal to itself and get like it's called like the butter stick effect where it looks like you kind of have a stick of butter under your skin and there's nothing you can do about it like it's what happens it's cannot be removed it's irreversible and i feel like i already have sticks of butter under my skin

39:12Ronnie Karam: so could i just melt those could you just re-melt the butter yeah and by the way someone right here

39:17Ben Mandelker: in the comments said my mom had that happen to her the stick of butter it's there forever

39:20Ronnie Karam: so i'm not touching that cool sculpt oh oh darn they have a discount on it down the street like you want a discount on cold sculpt well not if it's going to be that i mean i have enough trouble without having sticks of butter. Yeah. That's, could you, could you aim it towards my penis? Maybe that would be great. If I can get a stick of butter, but then they could just like push it kind of down to my wiener. That would be great.

39:45Ben Mandelker: It's a really crazy thing. Um, it's like a, what a bizarre side effect and also crazy that they can't get rid of the stick of butter. I think it's like so enmeshed in your cells that there's just no way to remove it. You know,

39:57Ronnie Karam: our friend Maddie last night, I was talking about getting my waddle done, like my waddle, because I lost weight, so I have this waddle, you know? And I had it behind the mic, but you know, it's there. I play with it all the time. And I was like, I want to get this snipped. And he said that you could take fat from places and get it put into your wiener. So I could walk around with just like a huge fat wiener. Like I lost weight everywhere else, but then my wiener could gain weight. So I do that. Wouldn't that be hilarious? What would you do with a big fat wiener anyway?

40:25Ben Mandelker: You know, I don't know, but sorry, I got distracted because I started looking up the stick of butter effect on the CoolSculpting, and the images are kind of crazy. Okay, now look up

40:35Ronnie Karam: Stick of Butter Effect Cool Sculpt Penis and see if you can move it down to your penis. Cool Sculpt Penis

40:43Ben Mandelker: I'm afraid of what I might actually see.

40:47Ronnie Karam: Oh, someone in comment said there's a shot that you can also take that helps dissolve it that's more natural. My best friend did that and she raves it. Oh, so you could dissolve the fat. But then where does your fat go? I think you're supposed to pee it out, but then you're peeing out fat. Is that healthy? I want to pee out fat.

41:06Ben Mandelker: Well, I think it's, I don't know. I will say that Righteous Gemstone in the comments said, I watched Margot's movie. The girl went there, in all caps. That's what I've heard. I've heard. She goes there. She goes there. Okay.

41:20Ronnie Karam: Martha's saying how she's let herself go, but now she's going to get back into working out and stuff. And she shows off her biceps, and she has been working out. She's like, clearly, it's been working. And she's got big old guns on her. And so now they're talking about what she's going to do now that she's settled. And she's like, I really want to get back on the horse. Literally, I've always been happiest on a horse. Now, look, I have to say about Martha, she's probably my favorite. But I worry about Martha. I mean, she's got the darkest storyline. That first episode, I was like, oh, my God, I'm worried for this lady.

41:52Ronnie Karam: Like, I'm seriously worried for her when she was like, oh, you know, I've lost everything. And I'm back. There's just such a darkness there. And it reminds me of Annabelle. She's got a lot of similar stories to Annabelle from Ladies of London who passed away. And I'm not saying that's going to happen to Martha. She is cheerier. But there are a lot of similarities. And this is just another brick on that wall of the horses. Remember? Because Annabelle was like, oh, I've been addicted to drugs ever since I fell off a horse. And horses were my everything. And now I can't ride horses anymore. So I get worried when she talks about the horse.

42:29Ben Mandelker: well for those who don't who didn't watch the the first three seasons of the show um annabelle uh she got on a horse during filming and then she got thrown off the horse and like broke many bones in her body so that of course was the very first thing i thought of as well when martha was talking about wanting to get on a horse it's like no you're too precious to us don't get on don't do it they don't they don't like washed up rich people

42:55Ronnie Karam: they'll throw you off those horses will get you i know um she's talking about her horses i've had some wonderful horses but two really stand out daphne's i had delilah and daphne's delilah's daughter and then we see winston was from 1997 to 2020 and delilah lived from 1993 to 2016 and then we see daphne her current horse and when she was with her mommy a little baby it's so cute and she's like oh delilah had daphne just when i was going through my divorce

43:30Ben Mandelker: and uh she's saying but by the time daphne needed to be broken in and start her career i didn't have the finances and so i had to put her out on loan and i have actually never ridden daphne um i'm sure daphne is like okay with not being not having to have a career she's like why do i have to have a career can't i just be a horse for a rich person that walks around

43:50Ronnie Karam: I'm so sick of working. I was born to work? Jesus Christ. Can I be born for something else? What if I wanted to write a book?

44:00Ben Mandelker: I just want to be an artist. Nay. So Martha is like, she's like, oh, it's so ridiculous. Because she's talking to Mimi about this. And she's like, it's just ridiculous because they're always saying, come see her, come see her, come see her. Because Daphne is up sort of in foster care. And Mimi's like, but why have you not taken this up yet? because it's so much emotion to address. It's just so painful. Also, Hackity says I'm not allowed to see Daphne. Hackity says if I see Daphne, Hackity will pack up my eyeballs because I'm the only one that's supposed to care about pets. Hackity's supposed to be the only one that I'm supposed to care about.

44:35Ben Mandelker: Oh, God, it's so scary.

44:37Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so this is a big horse day for her. So she's like, oh, God, I couldn't feed myself, let alone a horse, but it's time to get back in the saddle again. Martha will ride again.

44:50Ben Mandelker: Yeah, well, I also got very nervous about this. So then she's like, well, guess what? I could really go for a big, fat, juicy burger right now. I was like, I love this woman.

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47:40Ben Mandelker: So we come back from the commercial and we hear God Save the Queen, the opening, but then it goes to My Country to Zadhi, which is like the American version. And we're at Margo's house and she is celebrating July 4th with her family.

47:58Ronnie Karam: Yeah, they did this on the original Ladies of London too, where they always insisted on celebrating July 4th. Guys, we beat them in this war. It's so weird to be like, I'm just an American who wants to be accepted in England. So I'm going to celebrate the day we kicked their ass in a war and stole their country. What are you doing? You're not going to be invited to parties this way. Okay. So the kids are lighting sparklers and having fun. And she's like, I've never had a 4th of July in London. Like they do Guy Fawkes Night and that's our fireworks party. And Lottie tells us, yes, the fifth of November, we have fireworks to celebrate that.

48:34Ronnie Karam: The Houses of Parliament weren't burnt down by this guy called Guy Fawkes. And then we light bonfires because he was burnt at the stake. It's very weird, but it's what we do every year.

48:46Ben Mandelker: So, to commemorate a very important building not being caught on fire, we just set up a lot of fireworks and a lot of fires and hope that the important buildings don't catch on fire again. It's really great. I wear my best suit for it.

48:57Ronnie Karam: And Martha says, Kimmy's like, yeah, the 4th of July is the day the Brits don't want to remember. It's not fun to celebrate her to feed.

49:09Ben Mandelker: Yes, America, in its current format, perhaps we do better under the king. I was like, ooh, burn, and maybe not wrong.

49:17Ronnie Karam: Yeah, at this point, you know.

49:19Ben Mandelker: I like that she said, in its current format.

49:23Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I mean, we're having no kings protests all the time, but maybe we just need to start having different kings. Different kings. Behead the king.

49:30Ben Mandelker: Trained kings. Yeah, trained kings.

49:33Ronnie Karam: Trained kings. So she's like, oh, my God, guys, we have to have ice in our drinks because they don't use ice in London. And that's very American. Ice right now is so America. America's really into ice right now, guys. I see it all over the news.

49:51Ben Mandelker: Too soon. Too soon. soon.

49:53Ronnie Karam: I know they kept saying I so it's like please don't. We've got it bad enough over here. Like just blow your sparkle. Do whatever the fuck you need to do. Just don't drag me into this. Okay?

50:03Ben Mandelker: Yeah. So Margot is saying Della is adapting best to London life. That baby was born to live in a city. She loves the bus. She loves the taxis. She loves the dogs. I'm like it's a baby. She'll be excited about anything. Like you bring her out to the countryside she'll be like she loves the cow. She loves the grass. She loves the pine. I just hate when parents do this. Like, my kid is the smartest kid. My kid can speak 10 languages. It's a baby, and it's got chocolate sauce all over its face. It's just happy to engage with anything.

50:34Ronnie Karam: Your baby is eating its hand. Rely on the baby for Yelp reviews of things. But the baby is so cute and is loving everything. It's just laughing at everything and having the best time. They're talking about catch up. Oh, sorry.

50:51Ben Mandelker: The baby's having a great time.

50:53Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Yeah. So they're talking about ketchup and she's like, these are hot dogs, but they're called posh dogs here. Could you imagine? I'm not a good cook. And they're like, yeah, we're getting that. They can't cut through the posh dogs. It's like, I'm not a good cook. I spent my twenties and thirties on cocaine and champagne.

51:12Ben Mandelker: So, uh, Jacques, how are you feeling? Feeling better? He's like, I'm great. He's like, no more jet, no more jet lag. He's like, no, no more. You ready? to hit the town with me? Yeah, we do a little shopping. Cool. She says, this is a really big deal for me that my family finds their footing here and they enjoy it because for me, it's the difference between giving up 20 years of my life and my connections and my work or being able to keep them because I never had an acting career in Los Angeles. I worked entirely in London and we see that she does her whole thing about she has all her connections, everything here set up for her to be an actress in London, but if she were to go back to Los Angeles, she'd be basically starting from scratch.

51:50Ben Mandelker: She's like, I guess I'd be a realtor.

51:52Ronnie Karam: You know what they love? The acting community in London loves reality stars. So I'm sure this is going to work out great. So she's quizzing her kids. She's like, do you know what July 4th is? And they're like, Independence. She goes, from who? Abraham Lincoln signed the Declaration of Independence and it freed the slaves. And she goes, yeah, that's a different independence. So July 4th is Independence Day from who? George Washington. No, you guys, come on. It was the Revolutionary War and they signed a treaty. Against who? Gay people who are mean to our mom. Thank you. Thank you. Yes. Gay people who are mean to your mother.

52:35Ronnie Karam: Yes. Yeah. I was a little concerned.

52:37Ben Mandelker: I feel like they were a little bit too old to not know the answer to these questions.

52:41Ronnie Karam: They're Margo's children. They're lucky they can walk upright. I mean, honestly. So everyone's getting ready now. and Micah is FaceTiming her husband who is real, I mean, I think, because if it's AI, I would think he'd look like the, you know, the big guy from Game of Thrones. But I think this one's real. Yeah. Because he's real pasty and has like Republican congressman hair. So she's talking to him on FaceTime. He's like, hello, hello, darling. She's like, unfortunately, my birthday party this year lands on a day that Marco's traveling for work. Basically, he's traveling for every day that ends with day.

53:17Ronnie Karam: It's going to be, I'll see him again one day. Marco. Someday.

53:21Ben Mandelker: So she's like, well, so I think there's six of us that we're going to go. And I'm a little nervous because it's the first time everyone's seen each other since that picnic. Remember the picnic, right? He's like, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh. So I'm hoping like everyone just kind of behaves themselves. And if not, I'm just going to like take away the polo magnets, right? Mallets, huh, huh, huh.

53:42Ronnie Karam: He's like, uh-huh, uh-huh. Yeah, but there's going to be six of us riding horses, maybe five or six. So it's going to be really fun, right? Like, I'm a little nervous. I mean, it's every first time. What if they fight? What if they fight? They might fight. Oh, my God. I have manners. I have a manners show. I have Muppets. What do you think of that, Marco? He's like, ding. Okay, time's up. Oh, you were timing me? You were timing this call? I am. I've got to go. Sorry.

54:03Ben Mandelker: He's like, sorry, my other family is about to get home. So we have to wrap this up.

54:10Ronnie Karam: So now we go to the polo field for Micah's birthday party. It's the ham polo club. Yeah. which

54:19Ben Mandelker: ham so Micah's like I've probably celebrated six birthdays on a polo field it's just so fun it's so social it's so exciting and I'm just like I'm such a polo fan so people are arriving and saying hello and everything and Emma arrives with long leet local honey and she looks of course like bombshell and this like white outfit and everything and she tells us she ran most of the way on her 10K and she's saying how it was so amazing and she saw some monkeys that were trying to eat the bananas that were for the runners and it's considered one of the most rigorous 10Ks that are out there and I was like I love you Emma, I do not care about your 10K your 10K is like everyone else's 10Ks I've ever encountered I don't care about them and Lottie comes and she's like look at me

55:11Ronnie Karam: I'm in a beautiful suit but here's secret it's a man suit because i had to wear joshua's clothes because i'm pregnant and they're like but that's a woman's suit exactly i love him so um now they're making small talk about polo or yeah small talk about polo and emma's asking micah if she's like a polo person because she's dressed the part and she's like oh no i just love to watch polo i don't play it yeah i don't i don't ride horses. I just like hanging out here. And Braun's like, I'm excited to be beside her, beside Martha. Wow. What a gorgeous lady. She's like, oh darling, don't put me on a pedestal.

55:48Ronnie Karam: I will fall straight off.

55:51Ben Mandelker: Kimmy arrives and she's wearing this like headdress with like white flowers on and everything. And she's like, well, I've got a lot going. I'm really excited to do this. And Margot was like, well, I have a lot going on in my life and I'm tired and I'm like, not in the mood for bullshit. So Martha's like, can you please, please be nice to Margot today, please, because you love me, Kimmy, be nice. Well, of course I'll do it. I'll be nice. I'm always nice. She's like, thank you so much. I'll put my nice hat on. It's easy. She's like, oh, look, Margot, Kimmy is wearing a peace hat. Don't you like it?

56:20Ben Mandelker: It's a peace hat. She's like, yes. I want flowers for peace, right?

56:26Ronnie Karam: Margot's like, do you think it'll help? She's like, well, I don't know, but I'm channeling it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She's like, okay, well, you've got a lot of peace going on, Kimmy. Is there something you're trying to say and she goes yes i'm a piece of shit just finally we agree margo so they give each other a cheers and then mark comes and he's like well i have this way of blocking out irrelevant things like solange and what margo's struggling to understand is that i'm distinctly uninterested in her. Nothing about her fascinates me or intrigues me, and I feel that may be bothering her.

57:06Ben Mandelker: I mean, who does she think she is? The 2000s release of The Sims? So then Mark is, Mark says hello to Margo, and he's walking around, and Mark is like, oh, I need to find the shade. And Emma's like, you are the shade, Mark. I am indeed the shade. Well observed. Kimmy is like, where are the hot men? I'm looking for some hot men around here. I'm wearing my Here's the hairdress for the hot mare.

57:30Ronnie Karam: The thing about these polo players is that they're hot, but they're always poor. Missy's like, oh, really? She says, oh, yeah, date the player. Date the guy that owns the team, not the player. A tragic mistake. Tragic. And she's like, polo players make nothing, nothing disgusting shit on the bottom of your heel. I mean, just horrible, horrible poor people. And then on the screen it says, polo players make$1 million annually.

57:59Ben Mandelker: Missy's like, oh, that is sad. So it's like, I mean, even some of the best ones in the world, just the dead poor. I mean, they might as well just be painting Martha's Parma at this point. So Missy is saying, well, I'm single. And I'm like, hey, maybe this is my thing now. Like, stop ruining it for me. Jesus, I want to find hot polo man.

58:17Ronnie Karam: So Mark is bidding on something. He's like, I'm sorry, darling. I'm bidding on something on my phone. I need to pay attention. And Emma's like, what is it? A teapot? He's like, darling, I'm not shopping for your husband.

58:28Ben Mandelker: what is it it's a set of chairs i want for florence i love that burn i know right they're so mean to each other it's and i'm just just goes right off their back at all times you know and so emma's like emma's asked how his dad is and he's in hospital and he talks about how you see your parents get older and they become more fragile and frail and you try to like ignore it and then eventually you sort of are just confronted with it and he's like there's not

58:57Ronnie Karam: There's not much you can do for them apart from comfort them and if they will accept to be comforted, which is not the case in this situation. I sent him a card filled with scrolls of frescoes that are about to go up into the new chateau and not even a word in response.

59:14Ben Mandelker: They put him in a dreadful hospital gown and I went in there and I just pointed and laughed at him. My father did not appreciate that, apparently. It's called British humour, father. You should know.

59:24Ronnie Karam: So now it's time to ride the horses. So Lottie, Kimmy, Emma, Mark are not riding the horses. So Kimmy is, they pull up chairs to start gossiping. And Lottie's like, well, obviously I'm not playing pillow today because I'm pregnant. But I would. I'd normally be the first one on that horse. And Kimmy's like, well, I don't want to look like a complete twat out there. Trying to do something I'm really bad at. So I'll just sit here and do something I'm good at, which is talk shit about losers.

59:54Ben Mandelker: why would you play polo with people who are not necessarily the most competent of players and Emma's like I'm not doing that horse riding is dangerous enough without this situation I'm gonna sit down I just did a goddamn 10k in the first place anyway and I'm starting to feel really upset about that teapot comment now that I think about it yeah so we see Martha who's happy

1:00:13Ronnie Karam: as hell on that horse like me I'm back on a horse and then uh everyone else is talking shit and uh like sitting around talking shit. And Margot's telling us that she's taken polo lessons before, but it was a long time ago. And everyone kind of sucks at it, but like, who's great at polo right off the bat, you know? So Martha's like, well, it turns out there's a whole different set of instructions for playing polo on a horse. Yeah.

1:00:41Ben Mandelker: Because Martha was like the top saddle, a side saddle rider in the UK. So she used to be really into this, but she's like, these are, these are like tanks. I'm used to riding tanks these are like oh Jesus so she's going she's having fun and she's like trying to learn it and they're just playing polo and so Emma is like oh so Mark apparently got yourself in a little bit of trouble this week and Lottie's like oh yes cause you weren't there Emma and Emma's like I wasn't there but apparently you caused a ruckus he's like oh yeah he raffled some feathers that's what he's trying to say just spit it out Emma already.

1:01:21Ronnie Karam: Well, ruffled feathers, yes, because she was wearing rather a lot of them. Well, I'm not saying I'm surprised. I just want to know. Tell me because I wasn't there. He's like, listen, if you're going to go around wearing 150 dead pigeons to a garden party. He's like, wait a minute, they were ostrich.

1:01:41Ben Mandelker: Ostrich? Do you know how long ostrich plumes are? They're this long, sweetheart, about three times the length of Emma's husband's manhood if you know what I'm saying. But there was nothing ostrichian about them. It was pigeon.

1:01:58Ronnie Karam: Was it ignited, though? What ignited the fight, though? And Lottie's like, because she thinks Mark's been saying things behind her back. And Kimmy goes, well, he has. And so have I. But she's very upset. I heard she's been crying about it. And Kimmy's like, really? Oh, God. Anyone who starts crying because somebody criticised their wardrobe has a real lack of what I call important issues going on in their lives.

1:02:24Ben Mandelker: So you actually, it escalated to a proper row at this party and Lottie's like, well, she didn't cry there, but I've heard that she's been really upset about it. I almost want to make her a little adorable suit for her tears. And Emma's like, look, Mark slags off my wardrobe all the time and like, you're probably not wrong. If anything, I might wear something that I know he'll hate on purpose just for his reaction. I've done that with loads of times because it's funny.

1:02:48Ronnie Karam: So she goes, how did it end? And he goes, she left. It was ideal.

1:02:56Ben Mandelker: Look, and Lottie's like, is Mark some kind of fashion guru? Like, who says he knows the rules of whatever somebody should be wearing? Mark has a right to wear whatever she wants and what that people making bitchy comments about it. Oh, excuse me while I put on another paisley suit.

1:03:12Ronnie Karam: Seriously. And Mark's like, I don't think she'll make it in London. I think she's far better suited to Los Angeles.

1:03:20Ben Mandelker: Los Angeles continues to be the butt of all their jokes, and I love it. So they finish their game, and Martha's like, do you mind if I take the horse for one last victory lap? I thought I saw there was someone out there on the far end of the field who could maybe paint my house. So one moment, please. So she goes galloping away, and it's like a moment of freedom and glory and getting back in touch with the horsey, the equine. emotions of her youth and it's actually very nice and lovely and Kimmy is watching it and Kimmy is feeling something with it you know she's like you know for somebody that always loved horses she didn't get one for years you know for some odd reason and it's really nice to see it connect with something that's made her feel so alive again it really makes me happy as a friend to see that and you know the producers were like is there going to be a caustic biting comment to follow that up?

1:04:12Ben Mandelker: No, it's your emotion.

1:04:13Ronnie Karam: Yeah, Kimmy's just being really sweet. She's like, I'm so proud of her. She's just come so far. Look, I'm just so proud of you. You want to know something? I've never seen anyone more beautiful on a horse than you, Martha. She's like, oh, you're such a nice liar. She goes, me? I'm the meanest bitch on earth. And if I say something, it's because it's true. It's like, oh, I'm so happy to be on that horse. Oh, I feel like Martha again.

1:04:38Ben Mandelker: Yes, as Martha's like, the last five years I've been so much about survival, just really animal instinct survival. Literally like I have to have an animal instinct otherwise my eyeballs will get pecked out by my overlord Hecate. And then we see again the peeling paint and the worn out rugs and the bird shit everywhere and her grottage.

1:04:59Ronnie Karam: So she says she's going to go see the horse again, Daphne again, but she's scared because it's going to be so emotional. And when I've ridden her, then I have to go home. And she goes, and you know what? That's life. life is about beautiful moments and you know, well life isn't always beautiful, alright, it's about appreciating the moments that are beautiful do you understand? Martha's like I do, she's like well done to you, let's get shit faced

1:05:24Ben Mandelker: let's end this beautiful moment and ruin it with talking to Margo shall we? so they go back to the party and Missy's like Missy and what's her face, Micah, approach Mark and Missy's like I want to talk to you. Okay. He's like, well, here I am. Well, the whole situation with Margot is like, it's like so confusing. Well, you're a model. So I'm sure everything is confusing. No, no. I'm like really not. I'm confused. I'm confused. It's like, well, look, I mean, I'm just completely indifferent to her.

1:05:56Ronnie Karam: Well, bottom line is Margot's actually a really nice person. Gorgeous inside and out. He goes, well, then we won't have to fight over her. She's all yours.

1:06:07Ben Mandelker: No, but what is upsetting her He just starts laughing He's like, you know, you say one thing in front of her face And then you say another thing behind her back It's like, well, I'm very happy to say absolutely nothing to her Or behind her Because she's of no consequence to me And if we're going to turn this into something bigger Than it needs to be I think that she should just relax

1:06:27Ronnie Karam: No, it's just that she's so upset He goes, oh god, just relax Like she actually cried Remember she's an actress, sweetheart That's her job.

1:06:37Ben Mandelker: I don't think she was acting though. Do you know what? So many things matter in the world. And this isn't one of them. So many things matter. Do you know what matters? Making sure you save when you're playing the Sims. That way you don't have to rebuild your living room. That you don't fall off the horse. That you have a great time. Listen, it's Micah's birthday. There's so many things that matter. And this does not matter.

1:07:01Ronnie Karam: So now Lottie's talking to Margot. Margot's like, oh my God, they're obviously talking about me. She's like, yes, she's confronting Mark about what's been said. So then back to their conversation, she felt bullied, which is not nice for her. She goes, oh God, she doesn't feel bullied. She doesn't feel bullied. That's what she said. He goes, trust me, she's a big girl. She'll get over it. Trust me, she'll be fine. And this is when he's like, I was bullied for the first 20 years of my life. I know exactly what bullying is. And Margot was not bullied. Bullying is trauma. someone making fun of making an off-the-cuff remark about something you're wearing is possibly

1:07:37Ben Mandelker: unkind at worst i really think it's you know what i think today today is a celebration and we're not going to focus on any of this my love but we're not having an argument good good at all good

1:07:52Ronnie Karam: please stop following me around because he's just trying to walk away and she won't let him he's like no i'm not i'm not fighting with you he also i don't think he likes having confrontation in

1:08:02Ben Mandelker: public setting like this is not what you do if you're of a certain class or station in life and micah is like you know there's a time and place for everything and at this point it's not going so well but also mark is acknowledging that and he's saying i don't want any drama and micah's birthday and i think that's like really good etiquette be quiet micah so missy is like, no, Mark, no, no, no. He's like, I don't think we need to worry about, I don't think we need to sort of worry about people's outfits. It's okay.

1:08:31Ronnie Karam: So then back to Lottie and Margot. Lottie's like, well, for the record, I said I like Margot. She's like, well, thank you. She says, yes, you know, I was just like, I don't understand this. Margot says, yeah, well, at least I'm not the only person holding Mark Francis accountable. It's amazing. Yeah, you're getting like all your little minions to go at it. This is not going to help you. This is only cementing his hatred of you. And Lottie's like, you know, I think he was just trying to say he's like, oh, she does it for attention. And I said, I don't really understand. She goes, wait, Mark thinks I do things for attention?

1:09:05Ronnie Karam: Oh my god. Mark isn't even doing anything to you. He hasn't even said anything to you. But now you're the one who's like openly mocking him across the room. So, cut it out, lady. So annoying.

1:09:16Ben Mandelker: She goes, you know who this is? This is Mr. Burns. it's Mr. Burns she does like the like flops her hands over and sort of hunches over like Mr. Burns so Mark is like he's now sitting with with Missy and Micah and he's like I really struggle to get close to people who can't take it and Lottie's like it was just I was just like look I just thought that you had really thick skin and I just didn't think you'd give a shit I mean I don't really it's like and the fact that you're saying that you're upset and that you've got feelings and all that stuff and that's that That is you giving a shit. And I'm just thinking, I'm just like, I just think the less you do that, the better.

1:09:56Ben Mandelker: Stop giving a shit. And then Lottie goes, I mean, this is a woman who had sex on screen at the age of 21. And now she's getting shy and she can't sit up to mock Francis? Like, what is that about?

1:10:07Ronnie Karam: So Mark is doing the Kardashians thing. He's like, there are kids dying all over the world, Kim. And Missy's like, I know, Missy's still trying. And he's like, and we're worried about what I think about someone's dress. But it was upsetting her. He's like, well, then she needs to get over it. I'm going to go sit over in this charitable corner here where I feel that there's less drama. She's like, but it's not drama. He goes, good, I'm glad to hear it. But it's not, honestly, very glad to hear it. And it's entirely uncalled for, especially on someone's birthday.

1:10:38Ben Mandelker: The manners. Well, Mika, we tried to talk about it. So if you can't have a conversation, I can't force it. She goes, well, I'm still hopeful that they can be friends and start over. And then we just see Lottie and Marco are just like five feet from this whole thing. They just can hear everything that's happening. So a cake comes out. And Micah's like, I think I got off lighting this party. I mean, I was thinking like, I better hide them polo mallets. Like if there's so much drama. Oh, my God. Classic Micah.

1:11:07Ronnie Karam: So they all cheers for her and give her a birthday cake and stuff. And Emma's like, you're like a Barbie of polo, right? I mean, who could wear white joggers like this? I think that was a diss from Emma. Yeah.

1:11:19Ben Mandelker: And Emma was like, by the way, everyone, I want to invite everyone, including the birthday girl, which I know, LOL. I would like to extend the invitation to Longleat. And then it's like, this is Longleat, which is her home, which is also a safari. And she goes, if you care to join me, you're cordially invited. Is that what we should say, right? Cordially invited? And Mike was like, yes. She's like, okay. And Mark's been, and Kimmy's been many times, and we've finally restored the players from their last bacchanalia. So, please, I can't wait for you all to come. And Mark's like, I don't believe that we've actually been left in the first place, actually.

1:11:57Ronnie Karam: So Emma's like, yes, I mean, it's just such a different world, and it's so important to me. And, God, trying to articulate it is so difficult. So I'd like to invite you. Please, come to Longleat. the first day we're going to wash the rhinos the second day we're going to clean out the monkey cage and the third day we're going, she's going to just put everybody to work so then we hear and we see clips from one week later and Kimmy's storming off at a dinner and saying you're being a bitch yeah

1:12:31Ben Mandelker: fuck off Margo so it looks like we have a good episode coming up next week

1:12:35Ronnie Karam: and Mark's saying I've spent 20 years being treated like a freak and I'm not going to be branded a freak. And then it cuts to Margo going, he is a freak.

1:12:44Ben Mandelker: Well, we'll see how that all ends up. We'll see. I'm very excited for it. But for now, our week is over.

1:12:50Ronnie Karam: I love this comment in the live. Bravo Rex said, more of us Americans should be like the British and hold in our feelings. Amen.

1:12:58Ben Mandelker: Amen, sister. God. Love this show. Well, everyone, thank you so much for being here. Thanks to everyone who joined us on our live. And we are going to catch you next week for a whole new week of Bravo content.

1:13:12Ronnie Karam: Yes, we'll see you next time. Thanks to everybody in the comments. Bye! Bye.

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