#3315 Summer House S10E11 Part Two: The Summer I Turned Shi**y

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2:56Ben Mandelker: Hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. This is part two of the recap. If you missed part one, go check out your podcast feed. It's right there. And without further ado, let's get right back into the recap.

3:10Ronnie Karam: up so um now people are doing shots and getting drinks ready and bailey sees carl and she's like hello boy angel and goes oh my goodness oh did you get yourself anything oh what is that a tequila soda wow you're gonna have a day today on tequila soda yeah well i overpoured and i'm scared i'm

3:29Ben Mandelker: gonna have a day now oh wow this is really delicious look at how this beverage touches my lips isn't that seductive. Am I flirting with you now, Carl?

3:38Ronnie Karam: Something that sober people love, like a way that sober people love to flirt with non-sober people. Wait for it. Is that your favorite spirit?

3:49Ben Mandelker: I'm getting nervous now. The local bar is three miles down that way. I've got to get back to farming now. Bye.

3:58Ronnie Karam: Yeah. No, straight whiskey is my favorite spirit. He's like, oh, Debbie Reynolds

4:03Ben Mandelker: is mine actually i used to love whiskey because it would give me like a jacket of confidence it was a really nice jacket it was sort of like a members only god i look so good in that but then after like a certain point i became a flaming asshole and then we see this random clip of carl going saying i think it's one of the workers twins he's like a b let's see what my d can do for the e so go f you in the g there's so many more letters to you by the way

4:36Ronnie Karam: he had me at first and then i just i i mean i remember getting lost back then like what does this mean what my d can do for the e what does that mean a b let's see what my d can do for the

4:51Ben Mandelker: e i don't know what the e is and what's the g well the g spot i guess okay so i'm just confused about the e what the d can do for the e ego i don't know so he's like every once in a while

5:07Ronnie Karam: like last night i was talking to kyle like uh he had a glass of rosé in his hand and she's like oh my god did you want some he's like i could smell it and you know so basically he's saying i've been struggling to tell him how i feel and i've been open with other people but once i get in front of him i sometimes am not able to deliver what i want to say but i just i'm confused didn't you though i feel like he did a pretty good job of communicating he was like it hurts my feelings that you didn't invest in my thing and it hurts my feelings that you didn't call me after my brothers or on the anniversary of my brother's passing and but he but he told us that what he

5:42Ben Mandelker: really wanted to say was fuck you you're an asshole and he didn't get that well that's called

5:47Ronnie Karam: being a decent person like that's not are we all supposed to learn to go tell our friends to fuck off. They make a mistake. I don't know. I guess so. But I thought he's been doing pretty good. I give Carl a lot of shit on this show, but I was actually like, wow, I don't agree with what Carl is saying, but I, he is definitely getting better at being like, here's my feelings, you know?

6:08Ben Mandelker: Yeah. But it's hard. Like I, I've definitely been that person where I say like 70 to 80 % of what I want to say. Then afterwards I'm like, oh damn it. Why didn't I say this part too? But then, you know, like, if I go back and add this part, it's kind of like, why are we still talking about this. And then like that 20 % never gets said and you're like, ah, damn it. And like, it's sort of like, you just get frustrated, but like, whatever you just like learn, wait, like, you know, I feel like I've gotten much better at getting the whole 100 % out, you know? Oh yeah.

6:34Ronnie Karam: That brick through my windshield was really a strong, strong statement. Ronnie. No, that time you slashed my tires. That was, I was like, well, he's, you know, know he's working through this and at least he told me at least he told me in a way and another

6:52Ben Mandelker: thing ronnie i don't like mcb fucking dynasty um no but like i so in some ways i really understood what he's talking about here i really did um but and that's really just i i understood it but he's gonna have to work on that you know i just think that carl has to do a lot of work and um i don't know if he realizes how much work he has to do like i just think he just really needs to like it's time it's time i don't know this is so judgy because i actually do believe he is doing the work i actually really think carl is doing the work but man it's like he's he's still also i do feel like he's leaning into oh i'm just like in a sensitive place i can't say what i want to feel and like this comes at me really hard and really fast i'm like okay like just i guess my issue is

7:39Ronnie Karam: He says that, but he's constantly saying how he feels. Like, that's all this is always is like Carl's feelings. And like, this hurt me and that hurt me and this hurt me and that hurt me too. And then that hurt me. And then I got really hurt down. And he's like, oh, I just wish I could talk about my feelings. That's all you talk about. Oh my God. But anyway, right now we're not necessarily talking about feelings. We're talking about addiction.

8:00Ben Mandelker: So it's a very like honest moment now about like how he wishes he could sometimes just drink that rosé and like get that little boost from the booze to help him, you know, say the things he truly wants to say.

8:17Ronnie Karam: Yeah, it's like if I could drink that bottle of rosé or do a line of cocaine, then I could tell him. I'm like, as someone who loves both of those things, you tell them in such an extreme, horrible way. No. Yeah, you have to learn to do it without that. So he's saying, you know, since he's gotten sober, he knows what he's feeling, but he doesn't have the confidence to say it because he cares what other people think. And, you know, when he was using his behavior, hurt a lot of people. And so he doesn't want to do that. And he doesn't want to hurt anybody. And I don't want to hurt my best friend.

8:51Ronnie Karam: but you know that's what going and talking to everybody else does too that also hurts your friend so like stop trying to hurt people by proxy and having other people talk to them like deliver the bad news for you just do it yourself just do it yeah it's just scary and we find out

9:07Ben Mandelker: that it he find we find that his his grandfather was very involved in his youth and he's like he is awful beyond belief and I was spanked and I was belted. So basically I think it's like in the, he starts off this monologue saying like, Oh, well, you know, when I worked with Kyle, he became like the alpha and I was more like the beta. Um, but then he was like saying that like when he is around an alpha, he definitely kind of, he, he's like, I bow down. Um, so Carl's like, Oh, I've just always kind of lived in an air of fear with the more dominating individuals. so and kyle is now that person in his life well i'll tell you one thing you're getting really good

9:46Ronnie Karam: at flirting because this conversation is totally turning bailey on he's like i'm gonna flirt all right let's let's have a flirting scene with bailey here's how i feel so um he's saying you know kyle's intimidating to him and he went down a dark path again this winter and he was really bad and he scared a lot of people and kyle oh no this is a reunion when he's kind of coming out of the closet with addiction and he's saying that kyle came to his apartment and he said he loved me and he's crying and all this and so he's saying yeah you know kyle kyle's my ride or die best friend but not telling the truth is probably making things worse and our friendship started off boozing and partying and being silly and we had so much fun together and bailey's like do you want distance and he goes no i just want it to like feel mutual like the effort i put in is met with more effort.

10:38Ronnie Karam: And I really wish he was having this conversation with Kyle. Cause I want to know what the effort is.

10:43Ben Mandelker: Yeah,

10:43Ronnie Karam: that's,

10:44Ben Mandelker: I agree. I agree. So, um, Carl is like, and he says like our friendship started off. Yeah. Like everything you just said. So then, um, upstairs West is like, Hey, are we, um, showering? Are we just going to like rip it? That's all I'm going to share. And so Ben, uh, they're like, and ready to go party and everything. And Amanda's, you know, complaining about the lighting in her room. So she goes to another room to do her makeup. And she tells Mia that the talk with Sabrina went fine and everything. And Mia's like, that's all you have to say is it's fine? She's like, yeah, that's it.

11:23Ronnie Karam: She's like, I feel like everyone hates me. And they're like, nobody feels that way, Amanda. She's like, I know, but you know me, guys. Like, I made someone feel a type of way. and like you know why my words and my actions and that makes me feel icky about myself even though i just said my testimonial that he wants to fuck me this whole time so yeah anyway it's also like

11:43Ben Mandelker: uh amanda being like i just feel i feel icky because my words and my actions hurt someone i'm like you probably should remember this moment right now a little bit more going forward i'm I'm just going to be still.

11:57Ronnie Karam: And so they're comforting her. And Sierra's like, oh, man, you fuck up sometimes. Who cares? You apologize to Ben and you apologize to her. She's like, I'll be fine. I'm just in my head about it. I just feel stupid. Like, you're not stupid. And Sierra's telling her, look, we all say dumb shit sometimes. But, you know, part of it is that you're used to this kind of being beaten down. And you think your opinion is stupid or whatever you think is stupid. And I'm talking about Kyle here in case no one's getting it. It's like, you're magic. and half the things that Kyle does is because of you and she's like oh my god don't cry because I'm going to cry and Mia's like I'm going to cry too

12:34Ben Mandelker: and once again Sierra is crying on behalf of Amanda because Amanda is like I'm not good enough and it's just it's kind of painful to see to me because you know the betrayal that Sierra must be feeling now at the hands of Amanda so Amanda they're all they have a nice group hug it's nice it's a nice scene if you don't think about you know, what's coming for this trio or really just for the duo. So now the bartenders arrive and they're very Vegas-y, you know, and they've got the Southern hospitality, you know, party sign, you know, and they're all ready to party it off and be like, Vegas, bro, it's Vegas.

13:11Ben Mandelker: So they're going to do a sign. Jesse's like, dude, I think for the sign, why don't we say Ben's last ride, right? Like a bachelor party, right? It's like, yeah, yeah, it's so good. Yeah. I'm like, you You guys, please just throw yourselves in the pool.

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15:02Ronnie Karam: And the ride is Amanda. So then in Ben and Sabrina's room, she's like, oh my God, this room is like so gorgeous. Oh my God. He goes, okay, I'll put something in my hair. I saw you look at it. She's like, oh my God. How did you know I wanted you to put something in your hair? Oh, my God. Marky Mark, you read my mind. Get over here.

15:24Ben Mandelker: Oh, my God. So guests are arriving and everyone's getting ready. And Wes is talking to girls in the kitchen. And she's like, oh, my God, thanks for having us. Did you make these espresso martinis? He's like, no, that's like a real staff that did that. He's like, oh, my God. Sorry we're not wearing our bathing suits, Wes. He's like, no, I've got trunks. If you guys need trunks, he's basically flirting with all these girls and having the best time and is very, very happy. And we see a flashback that 12 hours ago, he announced to everyone, tomorrow's going to be so weird because I invited 96 people in the last hour.

15:59And one of them's hot.

16:03Ronnie Karam: So Jesse's like, oh, God, everything we've been through, Westling, and you never learn. I'm like, dude, the last couple of years have been difficult. So, like, make sure you know what you're getting yourself into, buddy. But, of course, he's saying that to us and not West. And he said it to West. Because West and Jesse love to watch each other get in trouble.

16:24Ben Mandelker: They do really kind of undermine each other, right? Yeah. Well, also, Jesse's, I think, probably thinking, like, well, turn it bad is fair play after you cockblocked me with Ciara. So.

16:36Ronnie Karam: it was last year in the reunion when Lexi came on and said you know Jesse is so insecure he was always worried that West was getting more likes than him and getting more followers and you know he wanted to do this thing or he wanted to announce it at this time because of how West was going to feel about and I just love that insight that they're constantly acting like best friends but then going after each other behind each other's back to look better on social I think it's just so like perfectly this

17:04Ben Mandelker: era of life yeah exactly um so they're all having fun and they're making signs that some girls making a sign that's or she's making the the party sign that says ben's last ride and um they're just all like funny like how there's it's like a party scene they're all joking and etc etc etc and

17:26Ronnie Karam: is um pretending to like mess with ben's cut out crotch and west goes oh my god you're cutting out right in his ween and she goes yeah i went skinny dipping with him and i still never saw it

17:39Ben Mandelker: and then west is like he's very confused about this whole sabrina thing because he went to that wedding in italy by the way and he's like god like i leave the house like go to italy and then come back and ben's like married like what the fuck is going on like yeah i totally get it don't you hate it when people totally pivot from their storylines that they were establishing all season long anyway I can't wait to see make out with someone who's not Sierra very shortly.

18:02Ronnie Karam: Or when people like somebody and then they actually make an effort to be with that person instead of just treating them like shit for six months and leaving them all red. Like, wow. I mean, they're giving Ben a lot of shit. I give Ben shit because he's so clearly never stopped being in this relationship. Like, it's fake to me for that. Maybe that's what they're getting at. But it's also funny that guys like, oh, my God, someone likes a girl and he's actually being nice to her and not like trying to play fucking mind games with her behind her back. So weird.

18:32Ben Mandelker: Yeah, seriously. So now Wes and Amanda are talking and Wes is like, also, I love that you got in trouble for something. She goes, no, I cried about it five times. Just like talking about how great he's been all summer. Like he's been so respectful. Yeah, but you were like, he wants to fucking slam me. No.

18:54Ronnie Karam: Which he's right. Right. So then Jesse comes out with this Ben's last ride sign and a bottle of tequila. Everyone's like, oh, my God. Yeah. So Ben kisses Sabrina and everybody parties. And Amanda is talking to Bailey. She's like, oh, my God, are you going to talk to Carl today or maybe tomorrow at breakfast?

19:16Ben Mandelker: Bailey's like, well, I was thinking not today. First of all, I ordered sweet greens and, you know, that usually sends me into an emotional spiral. but also I would rather just like flirt and have fun and then be like, do you want to have a serious conversation about us? But like, not, not like that, but like it's be too much, but like, you know, I just don't want to do too much. I want to move things along with Carl and really put myself out there, but I don't need to dump feelings on him when he's already going through all this with Kyle. And I just feel like, you know, the timing is just like really, really bad.

19:41Ben Mandelker: And I want Kyle, I want Carl to have a nice time. I don't need to ruin it. So again, this is where it's like, Ooh, gotta be careful with Carl. I don't want to tell him that I like him because it may be too much for him.

19:51Ronnie Karam: It's like, it's so well, but it's true though. He just trauma dumped all over her for 20 minutes. I mean, now's not the time to be like, where do you want to date me or what? Like the guy just worked through childhood trauma with her. Man is like, you should make out.

20:08Ben Mandelker: So then they have this like floaty, like a floaty table that's in the pool. So some of them are on it and cause like permission to board. So then he's on it and they're all sitting around this table having a fun time. And then KJ is like, can I get on this shit? And he just like jumps. It's already like in the middle. He jumps all the way onto it, which of course caused the whole thing to go crazy. And Kyle gets dumped into the water. And I thought that was really fun. I enjoyed that.

20:34Ronnie Karam: So Jesse's like, that is not as stable as I'd anticipated. Yeah, that's like all the men on this show. So Kyle's saying, yeah, it's like boys summer, but like I had a rough start. Jesse goes, and middle. Kyle's like, okay, rough middle too. But I'm like trying to have a smooth ending. And I told Carl, I was like, listen, you know, I know you're upset. And, like, I do feel bad about forgetting his brother's passing and not checking in. But then, like, if he wants to say more, you know, which I think he wanted to say more. And I'm guessing, like, when he talked to you guys, he had a much easier time talking shit about me.

21:06Ronnie Karam: But I told him that he could talk to me if he has more shit to talk. And Jesse's like, yeah, he was sad. And he was really angry, too.

21:15Ben Mandelker: Yeah. I mean, you know, friendships change. They ebb and they flow. And I think that because Carl was subordinate to Kyle and Loverboy, that that's kind of the nature of their friendship as well. And Kyle's the boss and Carl's beta. And that's why he has this mental block when he tries to talk to him. You know, even I can figure that one out. So then Sierra is telling Ben that she loves Sabrina. And she's like, yeah, she's very emotionally in tune with the world. And she's extremely emotionally intelligent, which I think is important. She does keep on saying that she wants to someday meet Hollywood.

21:44Ben Mandelker: I don't know what she means by that. Do you know who Hollywood is? I don't know. Either way.

21:49Ronnie Karam: It was really cool though. She, um, she reached out to this nylon company and had this mask made out of my face. This was actually really sweet. No one's ever done that.

22:00Ben Mandelker: So meanwhile, the girl from the kitchen that Wes was talking to is now taking a seat on Wes lap. He's sitting in a chair and they've arranged the chairs in this way. They're sort of side by side. It's like the VIP area in Vegas. The thing is that Wes is sitting directly adjacent to Sierra. and this girl is now sat down on the edge of the chair basically in between Lex and Sierra. Is it adjacent next to?

22:22Ronnie Karam: I thought adjacent was like across from or adjacent just means to. Oh, I'm so dumb. Yeah. So yeah, I sitting next to dumb it down for me, Ben. Okay. Sitting next to Sierra.

22:32Ben Mandelker: It's a lot. It's a lot right now. I shouldn't have brought a new vocabulary. It's just a lot for car. I wonder a lot. I'm literally an idiot. It's okay. We all learn every day as an excuse to learn something new.

22:44Ronnie Karam: so then i forget so here it just means near close to or touching something so and that's the across they could be across but very close still it's proximity near prog close proximity and in this

22:58Ben Mandelker: case this girl was definitely adjacent to sierra um because she basically has it's like they're she's wedged between them and so west whispers to her he goes um so i kind of like i i like i used to kind of like date that girl behind you, but like also like who cares, right? Like, yeah, but like, here's the thing. Technically, you guys aren't dating. It's fair play, but you've spent this whole season and all of last season be like, oh, she's talking to me. Oh, she's being nice to me. And you're saying cutesy things. You're putting your foot on her foot and you're saying that you think you might be in love with her or whatever.

23:38Ben Mandelker: You're saying all these things.

23:39Ronnie Karam: Well, even in this episode, the whole doorway, Like, I'm looking at you. You looking at me? I'm looking at you. You looking at me?

23:47Ben Mandelker: So then like, don't waste our time with all this bullshit and then be like, and then say literally who cares? And just think it's just, this is what it all comes down to. So the girl's like, should I get up? He's like, no, no, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. He would, what he should have said was, yeah, let's go over there instead. Like he could have gone to anywhere else, but he chose to still have this girl right there next to Sierra. And I thought it was just disrespectful. And if anything, it was definitely, he was playing some sort of game.

24:18Ronnie Karam: Yeah, of course. I mean, he's like, I invited everyone today and one of them is really hot, you guys. And he's like, okay, let's sit on, let's sit on my lap right in front of Sierra. And then I'll point out that we're sitting right in front of Sierra and then say, who cares? I mean, he's just such an ass. So she's like, well, we can share. And he's like, it's absolutely allowed. Right. And Ben's like, oh my God, fucking rookie mate everyone's looking at him like you fucking idiot you know yeah so um sierra looks uncomfortable and ben's like oh my god are you fucking kidding me i can't believe he's done that like you're trying to make inroads and you say you've done these things that you regret previously i mean god i'm lucky they're not at the stage where she's bringing her own pillow

24:56Ben Mandelker: yet but still he's like well um then we see flashbacks of of west being like i love her so Ben's like this is not the move this is not the move mate so then Wes starts making out well he starts kissing her on the cheek whatever it's making out and Sierra basically leaves and she's telling us you know it's weird because on the one hand he doesn't owe me anything but it's like shitty because I would never do that to him and I would never sit next to you and make out with a guy like regardless of how you felt about me the crux of all this has been like as I want to be seen. And so for him to sit right next to me and to make it seem like you don't see me just further reiterates the point.

25:38Ben Mandelker: Like if you can't physically see me sitting next to you, then how would you ever see me in any other context of the situation? And like, I'm, I totally get her frustration because she's like, I would extend all these courtesies to you. And the fact that you wouldn't and don't and aren't just shows how everything you say to me is bullshit about like wanting to be friends with me, et cetera, et cetera. You do not see me at all. and you do not consider me at all. You don't, like he didn't, she's almost more upset that like, I could have been upset and knowing that I could have been upset, you didn't do anything to consider my feelings and just take it somewhere else.

26:14Ben Mandelker: And then I probably might not have even been upset. But like the fact that he just literally and honestly, he even verbalizes that he doesn't care is just like, it's so obnoxious.

26:27Ronnie Karam: Well, yeah, because it's going out of your way to do it. Like it's going out. It's not only just not seeing her and doing something stupid. It's like going out of his way to be right next to her and have this hot girl sitting on his lap and kissing this girl. Like he's just, you know, I think a lot of times Sierra internalizes stuff that's going on around her. And like, how could he treat me this way? And how could and of course you do because it's your situation, right? Like, how could you treat me this way? But even beyond that, it's how do you treat people like this? This is not a good person.

26:57Ronnie Karam: This is not a nice person. this is not somebody who's just being nice to everybody else i mean look what he's done all year and he hides behind this pouty shit but he's he does it with jesse like oh i can't believe he would he would do this and he goes to all the guys like i can't believe that he would like when he knows that i like this girl that he would like break guy code and try to go for this girl he's constantly right now he's doing it with kyle where he's like constantly going behind kyle's back and like trying to work everybody against kyle but he does it with this sweet little smile this is not a nice person this is all not a nice person like don't even take it personally because it's not you it's him like he's broken stop well that's gotta be part of this man

27:39Ben Mandelker: and that's probably also why she is upset because she knows this is a broken person and why am i putting energy into it and she's probably thinking on one hand like whatever just like don't let him bother you just he's just another person in the house you can be friends with him. It is, he is who he is. Don't let his dysfunction upset you. But the fact that she is getting upset about it and she's like, really? And I am like the catch here and I am on a meteoric rise and I'm letting this, this walking poop just like be the one that's going to affect my feelings. And then you get frustrated. Like, why am I like this?

28:15Ben Mandelker: Why do I let the people do this? And why am I allowed? So I get it. I fully, fully get it.

28:21Ronnie Karam: No, I get it too. I'm just saying like in life, you have to see who's a good person and a bad person and stop taking it personally because it's not about you. He's just a shit person. You know what I mean? Like when you go to a restaurant and your dish sucks, it's not because you suck. It's because the dish sucks. The chef sucked. It's not you personally. It sucks. Just go to a different restaurant. And even before all of this shit came out with Amanda, it's the most frustrating thing. And Sierra expressed in that scene earlier where she's like, people don't understand how it's hard. how hard it is when you go on the internet and people are like, stop letting this man play in your face and stuff like that.

28:58Ronnie Karam: And she explained the racial, you know, component of that. And so I'm not even getting into that. I'm just saying as human beings, like we have to learn to be like, this person is shit. And that's it. You have to start writing Yelp reviews in your own mind. Like if, if you went and you got the shittiest service somewhere, someone spit in your food, they spit in your face. You go write a Yelp review about it. Are you going to go back to that restaurant? Stop. And if you do and you write another Yelp review, I'm going to write under it. Why are you still going to that goddamn restaurant? You know, like, well, but they said they had better food this time.

29:30Ronnie Karam: How many times are they going to choke you?

29:32Ben Mandelker: But if you if you go to a shitty restaurant and you get shitty food and you know you should blame the restaurant, but then you somehow feel bad. You realize you're like upset. You're like really upset that you got shitty food when you knew it was going to be shitty food. I can also understand kind of like a meta frustration which is like why am I upset right now over this shitty food when I knew it would be shitty so like like I like I'm not saying I don't

29:57Ronnie Karam: understand her I understand her I'm just like as someone who's like not your friend I don't know you obviously but just someone who really likes you and watches you on tv it's like stop it Leave the restaurant. Stop it. Just stop it. Don't go to the restaurant. Yeah. Put your own food. I understand why she would feel that way. And I feel for her. You know, I'm just saying, God, at some point, it's like, just drive my van up, throw you in there, drive you around the block and explain this shit to you. It's not you. It's him. He's a shitty person. Stop trying to get water from a stone. You know?

30:28Ronnie Karam: Yeah.

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31:58Ben Mandelker: So Jesse, meanwhile, is talking to three girls named Lauren, Molly, and Sarah. We know what their names are because we see him saying, Lauren, Molly, Sarah. Sarah, Molly, Laura. Laura, Molly, Sarah. Like, yeah, yeah, you got it. You got it. Yeah, okay. Locked in. All right. Bye. So we're like, okay, that was a weird scene. And he tells us, I usually like to do flirting, but like if I'm not flirting, you know something's wrong. And at this point, how many weeks have Maggie and I been dating? It's probably been like three weeks. So he's basically saying this girl that I've totally forgotten about that he had like hooked up with in the bathroom.

32:41Ben Mandelker: Basically, he's saying that like when he likes someone, he tries not to flirt with other people. So that way you can have a clear head and the focus on the person that he likes, which is funny because the way he phrases it is that something is wrong because he's not flirting. So congratulations, girl in Jesse's life. You are now the thing that is wrong that is causing him to not flirt.

32:59Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And they showed the clip of her going, fine. I know something crazy. See, there was a bug in my drink and I'm still drinking it. And he's like, that is so crazy.

33:09Ben Mandelker: Yeah, that's a forever relationship right there. Dara and her friend Carly are hanging around. And Carly's like, wow, what's crazy about this party is it's just like all women. And Dara's like, yeah, there's nothing more I could ask for. A female-dominated party. She's like, yeah, but you're with someone. I'm not. So I have some more options. Thanks.

33:30Ronnie Karam: Dara's like, what do you mean? That's so weird. what I have someone what so now Bailey and KJ are talking and she's asking when they're going to make it official he's like um I don't like to make Russian to make things official because like I feel when it's like a title like sometimes I feel like personally like it's like added pressure then we go

33:49Ben Mandelker: back to Dara and she goes I mean I don't know what his plan of attack is if he even has one you just got bullied flirtatiously but I do feel like he'll ask to be a boyfriend and girlfriend soon And then Carly's like, yeah, I was going to ask. I think it's going to happen. But then it goes back over to KJ. He's like, it's not going to happen. Even though things are good with Dara, I'm not ready to put a title on it. Because I always put my heart out on the line. And then that leaves room for hurt. In my last relationship, I jumped in way too quick. Tell me about it. No, not with the pool flow, Kyle.

34:22Ben Mandelker: And I ended up getting burnt. So I was heartbroken. And I just want to do things differently this time.

34:33Ronnie Karam: young love young love you don't have to put a title on it but you're still really close to her and she's spending the night every day so you're still doing it just put a title on it give them all a title people say you shouldn't say I love you too fast I will literally say I love you to Uber Eats I don't care if I love them I don't care I'll say it whenever I don't care so then now breast breast brunette girl and west whose couple name is breast are um like googling with each other they're laying on the daybed and she's like i'm glad i came he's like yeah i'm glad you came too so they make out and then ben and sabrina are watching them and he's like oh my god i'm getting distracted by west and she's like oh my god that girl's like throwing himself at him oh my god

35:21Ben Mandelker: sabrina you are literally throwing yourself at this entire house right now not in like a slutty way, but just like you, like, you're like, Oh my God, we should be friends. You were literally like, you've been flung from a trebuchet onto these people and the trebuchet is you. So, uh, but anyway, she's being a good girl's girl. She's like, and so she's angry at this girl for flirting with Wes, which by the way, this girl has, this girl should not be like the, be on the receiving end of any sort of ire. I mean, like this guy invited her. She likes the guy she's flirting with the guy. It should not, like, I don't like that Sabrina's going after the girl.

35:58Ben Mandelker: They should go after Wes. Wes is the problem here, not this rando.

36:02Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but you know, this is how it goes on this show. It's like, attack her! Get her! She's not doing anything. She's just some girl who's like day playing on TV. You know, what'd she do? But Sabrina's like, this is my first week in here. I'm telling that bitch off. Ben's like, oh my god, calm down. You're staring daggers at her. And she's like, I don't even care. So So Sierra's across the pool watching this. And Sabrina's like, oh, my God, does Sabrina see this? He goes, yes, she does. Are you kidding me? My God, at least she hears you. Jeez.

36:37Ben Mandelker: So then Amanda's talking to Mia and she's like, who's this girl that Wes is about to fuck? I'm going to walk right up and lay down in bed with them. Which, of course, this has multiple contexts because it seems like she's just trying to protect Sierra by cock blocking. But is she doing up to something more? So she gets into this day bed and she basically, now it's just three of them. And Wes is like, oh. And then Ben and Sabrina are still watching. And Ben's like, Sue, are you happy now? Are you happy that Amanda's in there? She's like, yes, I'm very happy. As a very new friend of Sierra's from two days ago, I'm very happy.

37:15Ronnie Karam: Amanda comes up and she's like, am I crashing your party? Oh, I hope not, but I think I am. And the girl's like, no, we're just chatting, like talking about what we're doing later. She goes, well, my husband is playing at Common Ground, by the way. And she's like, yeah, I think we're going to go to Surf Lodge.

37:33Ben Mandelker: She's like, yeah. We're going to hang out with people of our own generation. Thanks. Rachel Zoe's going to go to Surf Lodge.

37:40Ronnie Karam: So now they kick everybody out of the party. People start to leave. And Amanda's like, okay, I got to go. Watch my butt when I walk away. Oh, God, Amanda. Jeez. So crazy. Amanda is so hard watching you this season. I know. It's so bad. So what do you think they are doing? Do you think they're together at this point and they're just like trying to keep everybody off their tail? So West is like, I'll have some hot girl over and flirt with her.

38:04Ben Mandelker: I actually believe it or not. I don't think so. I think that Amanda was trying to break it up for Sierra's sake in that moment. I mean, I could be totally wrong and I don't want to give Amanda any more credit than is due. But I don't think I think that they're I think their relationship is actually kind of budding right now. I think they don't really have a huge amount of, I feel like they don't like hang out very much, but we're starting to see them like talking a little bit more. I think ever since he went into the bathroom and consoled her, things were better, but I don't know. I don't know.

38:34Ben Mandelker: Maybe she was, maybe she was sort of being like, Hey West, you're not allowed to do this. I can't tell. Everything's upside down and topsy-turvy for me. What do you think? Yeah, probably. I think they're probably, they're probably already banging.

38:45Ronnie Karam: so uh amanda comes now amanda goes up to ben's chair and he asked her what happened she's like um i just crashed a party and sabrina's like i'm gonna crash too now so now sabrina gets up and

38:55Ben Mandelker: goes over there which like sabrina you don't you're like you don't even go here yeah like you just met sierra and now you're gonna be like her ride or die in this moment like i'm sorry

39:06Ronnie Karam: you she's so thirsty this girl yeah she is so she goes over there and uh she's like um i just wanted to get to know you guys more west he's like okay come on baby and the girl's like um hello how's it going well i feel like ben has stuff to talk to you about so like maybe you should go over there

39:23Ben Mandelker: west it's like does he need me yeah possibly yes he's like okay um will you take care of this girl if i go over there yeah i'll take care of this slut okay ben he was gonna come talk to you he's like oh my god talk to me i was like so amanda's like okay well what are we talking about because Amanda's over in Ben's daybed. If it were funnier, it could be sort of seen as a farce, but it's not funny. It's just people going back and forth.

39:49Ronnie Karam: So Ben's like, well, we're not talking about anything. She's just fucking sticking up for the fucking world. She goes, oh my God, she's such a girl's girl.

39:59Ben Mandelker: It's incredible. So then Sabrina basically invites the girl to get some water and they get up and they leave. And Wes is like, oh, but like, what's going on? And then the brunette girl leaves off to the surf lodge, never to be seen again.

40:13Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so Wes just passes out on the couch and goes to sleep. And they're like, I'll just leave him. So Mia's like, yeah, this is the problem, Sierra, because you're being fucking nice to him and you're trying to like actual try and now he's back on my list. And if you fuck with my friends, that's where I draw the line. I'm sick of this shit.

40:32Ben Mandelker: So Carl's like, well, the rule is if you fall asleep with your shoes on, you get drawn on the face with a soft magic marker. soft tip I'm going to do it so they basically go and they write Amanda writes dick on West's forehead and then West sort of like I think you're supposed to draw the dick but I know you're supposed to so he sort of like smudges there's like a smudged dick on his forehead for the rest of the episode

41:05Ronnie Karam: so Ben is talking to Sabrina and he's like oh, it's been a transitional couple of weeks, you know, and it's been a perfect storm. And she laughs and he's like, don't laugh at me. What are you laughing at me for? She's like, no, I love it. And he's like, I'm trying to open up and you just fucking laugh at me. Oh my God, Ben. Ben is insufferable.

41:22Ben Mandelker: What is wrong with this guy? He is so self-serious. So Sabrina's like, I'm just like curious because like, I don't know the male perspective. So like, what is it that you were holding onto when you decided to ghost me for three months until you went onto the show and then couldn't get with a girl and then decided that you wanted to have me back. What were you thinking? And he's like, well, it was just so good at the very beginning and maybe it just got too real for me too fast. And like, I just didn't know how to handle it. And I wouldn't know a good thing if it slapped me in the face, but I don't know.

41:53Ben Mandelker: I'm just, I'm not good with my words because I'm just a sweet, lost, sensitive model. Thank you. Thank you.

42:05Ronnie Karam: Thank you. So outside West is awake and he's like, can I keep it 100? Like if I didn't invite anybody today, like this party wouldn't have even existed. Jesse's like, yeah, thanks. You did a good job. And Amanda's like, yeah, even that girl you were making out with all night, you got too comfortable over there. You're on probation. You are on probation.

42:28Ben Mandelker: So now the real West starts to pop out a little bit. He's like, I've been trying so hard to do nothing wrong for two years. and like, fuck, she's been like fucking cuddling with Jesse in front of my face for the last two years, like undercovers. Like, I think like we can chalk this one up to just like a drunk fuck up, like, oops. I'm like, see, here's the problem. First of all, you're being a dick right now. Second of all, you saying I've been trying hard to do nothing wrong for two years. How about you should try to do what's right and not doing the wrong thing. That implies that you want to do other things, but you're not doing them because you don't want to be, you don't want to do the wrong thing.

43:03Ben Mandelker: You don't want to be seen as something that it's not. So you're really not being authentic. And there is a difference between I've been trying so hard to be there for her, to try to show her, yes, this, this, this, and this. And there's a difference between saying that versus I'm trying hard not to do the wrong thing. Like one comes from a place of fear. One comes from a place of trying to have growth. And I think that just shows it right there. And he doesn't understand why if he's put all this effort into hiding who his real self is, why he's not being rewarded for it.

43:33Ronnie Karam: yeah i mean my thing with this is saying it was just one drunk fuck up no you knew when you invited her because you already bragged about how you invited a hot chick so shut up i can't with you and he's like i've been just trying to protect our relationship whatever the fuck it is i mean she hasn't even we've had one one-on-one conversation all summer like i don't know anything like what she's feeling or thinking like she can literally be dating someone i don't know like i mean they're making me feel like i cheated on my fucking wife but like you're just leading somebody on and then you're playing in front of their face to get a reaction out of them like you always fucking do and now you're going to get a reaction and then you're going to go cry and be a little fucking victim about it like you did for the last two years it's the same thing you've been doing for the last two years you push it then when people call you out on it you cry and act like a victim so you can get some more out of your ass pass next time you're in a bar he's exposing his

44:28Ben Mandelker: hostility, which he's been hiding. He's obviously has a lot of resentment about all these things, including Sierra cuddling with Jesse, yada, yada. Um, but also like, it's not like you're the one who did the thing to her. Like she is allowed to cuddle everything. Like she didn't, she didn't give you mixed messages. She didn't like string you along and then dump you or leave you or something like that. You did that to her. It's up to you to, you know, show her that you are a grown person. So she is allowed to, to, to cuddle with Jesse. That like, that was never like, that's fine. She is, it's not like a, you both have to act the same way.

45:03Ben Mandelker: And quite frankly, the advice goes to Wes too, which is like, don't go back to the restaurant. If you don't like the food, if you have an issue with this, if you're like, I don't know where we stand, why are you still trying to stand?

45:12Ronnie Karam: It's not about the food. It's not about the restaurant to him. He doesn't care about the food. Like his whole thing is he's trying to set up this. he knows he got he got in so much trouble with the public or whatever and as you know with how he treated sierra and he wants to stop getting shit from the public so what he's gonna do is he's going to villainize jesse which he did and like oh jesse doesn't have any geico because he's flirting with sierra and he knows i still like sierra so if he sets himself up like i'm just a sensitive guy and i just want another chance with sierra but sierra won't even give me a chance and she's flirting with my best friend instead he's trying to villainize sierra so that he can get off the hook.

45:50Ronnie Karam: He doesn't give a fuck about Sierra. He's trying to get off the hook with Twitter and then he's going to go fuck Amanda and he's going to have everybody saying like, well, Amanda deserves happiness because Kyle's a fucking drunk, which he's been going around. Kyle hasn't helped himself by the way. But he's spreading it against everyone else for himself to look better. It doesn't have to do with him liking Sierra at all. I don't think he likes her at all. He's trying to play this for his reputation.

46:13Ben Mandelker: He wants the cred of being able to say he can get into the restaurant but he doesn't actually care about going to the restaurant itself. And so now he's saying that it's protected the, whatever the fuck is. I'm like, I don't want to hear the complaints. If you want to have the conversation, Sierra, you sit down and you can have the conversation. You say, I need to know where we stand. I need to know, but it's just love. Like, well, I don't know. Like, I'm afraid to talk to you sometimes. I don't know. So Wes tells us the fact that we haven't had one conversation, one-on-one all summer. I don't know anything about what she's thinking or feeling at all.

46:43Ben Mandelker: Sierra could literally be dating someone right now for all I know, but I feel like I just cheated on my fucking wife. I'm like, the thing you can't put this on Sierra. It's because you didn't cheat on your wife. You cheated on your words. You were the, you've been the one that has been expressing that you like her, that you want to get back with her. You were the one who was upset with Jesse, yada, yada, yada. So when you tell us this line of, of like that, you want to be with her and then you do something else. The reason why you feel like you cheated is because you did not actually do the things that you said you wanted to do.

47:12Ben Mandelker: Well,

47:13Ronnie Karam: he also wrote your relationship with Sierra, Even beyond what he's saying, like you spent last night doing the let's make nachos and let's stare at each other from each other's rooms like you were about to hook up if you guys didn't show any restraint. And then you get this woman to make out with her in front of her face the very next day. And now you're pretending like we don't see what you're doing. Come on. The thing about it is like you're so manipulative and you're such a cut fitness, but you're not as good at it as you think you are. Like you're so bad at it. That's the most frustrating thing to me.

47:44Ronnie Karam: Like, at least Summer House usually gives us some pretty good manipulators. I mean, Carl can still do it to this day, you know, and he's like a new Carl. He's like Carl 10.0, and he can still do it better than you. I mean, geez, you're just an amateur, you know, and that's why it frustrates me when people fall for it, because it's just so obvious, you know. Oh, he makes me crazy. Yeah. So, yeah, he's doing his whole thing. And then Kyle, so Kyle's like, well, that's not fair. And Matt's like, Kyle. And he's like, but it's not fair, though. She goes, don't make me get mad at you, Kyle. Do you want to fight with me right now?

48:18Ronnie Karam: Because I'll fucking fight with you, Kyle.

48:20Ben Mandelker: He's like, oh, hey, hey, let's not, let's not, let's not. Okay, like, don't be mean to the alpha. I was like, I mean, you're a deal like me. She's like, this is the battle you want to choose, Kyle. Like, out of all the battles, this is the battle you want to choose. He's like, oh, man, what the heck, relax. I'm just saying, is if you want to make progress in your relationship with Sierra, there's a level of respect that we have to have to live here together which another rich line from

48:45Ronnie Karam: amanda yeah and kyle's like i think you're being a reasonable amanda so she gets pissed and goes inside and carl's like just stop man that was really hard for me to say by the way really really hard so amanda goes in and slams the door and um announces that kyle is fucking annoying her and she's like i don't get it like kyle's always been sierra's biggest advocate kyle has literally cried for Sierra. We see at the reunion two years ago. He's like, Sierra.

49:13Ben Mandelker: And she's like, and now that I'm attacking West, you're going to take his side? Like, he has dick on his face right now. I did that. That was me. And that's the hill you're going to die on? That's the battle you're going to fight?

49:25Ronnie Karam: And Amanda's not even mad about Sierra. She's mad that West is flirting. She's mad that Kyle's standing up for West, making out with another guy because that's Amanda's guy. I mean, this show's so fucked up right now.

49:34Ben Mandelker: Seriously. Time Blight is crazy. Yeah. So she goes to Sierra's room and Sierra's like, what's going on? Are they all still outside? And she's like, yeah, they're still there. Let's go. We're going to crawl up. Let's listen on what they have to say. So they crawl out onto the balcony so they can eavesdrop.

49:49Ronnie Karam: That is the balcony of the gay. And how dare you use it like this? That is Stephen's balcony from seasons one and two. That is the gay of judgment balcony.

49:59Ben Mandelker: And they're lucky that Lenny Hochstein is not down there talking with guys because if he knew that they were eavesdropping on him, that entire group of girls would be in jail right now.

50:10Ronnie Karam: So Kyle's down there like, I mean, you guys have made incredible progress. And he's like, but I've avoided upsetting her for like 18 months. When was that? I don't remember you avoiding upsetting her.

50:23Ben Mandelker: So Kyle's like, right, right. Well, by the way, like how long can you go though, right? Like I get it, bro. Like how much longer is like, you know what? I love Sierra and I will go to bat for Sierra except in this moment, obviously. And I love you too. But like how much longer? I mean, you're just a guy. You got to be able to do things. Right. And Sierra's like, you know, they're just like listening in. And Kyle's like, how close was she when you made out? And Wes is like, I don't know. I mean, I didn't see. And they're like, yeah.

50:46Ronnie Karam: You fucking liar. You were right next to each other and even commented on it to the girl. You're such a fucking compulsive liar. God. And Kyle's like, I mean, she was like on the same chair. That's fucked. to and Billy's like, I mean, it is fucked up if you are on the same chair. Like, I would like to clarify that because I was on your side, but the same thing, the same chair thing is kind of crazy.

51:07Ben Mandelker: You know, at a certain point, proximity does come into the conversation and I think we go try to flirt with Carl a little bit. Let's see how that goes.

51:14Ronnie Karam: Were you next to him, across from him, or adjacent to him? Catty corner? Were you catty corner?

51:21Ben Mandelker: Were you orthogonally or diagonally adjacent? Because there is a difference.

51:26Ronnie Karam: and he's like well it would be a thing if like Sierra was actively flirting with me uh yeah she was last night

51:35Ben Mandelker: yeah and he goes fucking liar he goes but like she flirts with me just like once every 48 hours and they all just start laughing like oh Jesse goes that's a solid ratio yeah I thought you were going to say every six months

51:48Ronnie Karam: yeah god now I see where we're coming from here and Jesse's like god you make it sound like edging

51:56Ben Mandelker: yeah i think if someone flirts with you once every 48 hours you guys have a flirty relationship and he's complaining about about like he's just not getting enough so then the girls are just like laughing and jesse also by the way sees them and he's like i'm gonna go put on some gum fees okay i'm having on some music and let's hear the almond brothers remixed and carl's like y 'all let's change the mood in here let's put on something decent whoa sorry carl did i speak

52:21Ronnie Karam: over you i didn't mean to do that sorry so jesse sees sabrina and he's like oh you're getting a chase to one of the spicier dates here yeah she's like oh my god but i'm indian i love it spicy so then we go to amanda mia sierra in bed and mia's like oh my god guys let's take a deep breath nobody's breathing why isn't nobody breathing everyone's like have you smelled what this how it smells like we're not taking deep breaths so mia's like this is like it's obviously

52:50Ben Mandelker: uncomfortable it's not normal that you share a share house with someone who you dated years ago and you're handling it so well sierra so sierra is tearing up and she's like there's a reason why he was living on probation for this long and now he's back in jail i mean it is what it is honestly i know that i had this gut feeling of why i didn't want to be friends with him and this is why and there's a reason why i don't trust him like he can't be a friend to me he doesn't see me how how can you be a friend to someone you don't see? And Amanda goes, yeah. Who said that? Someone say that.

53:20Ronnie Karam: Yeah. He doesn't see you. He's not taking you into consideration. I think that's very accurate, but you there's not, he's using you. He's using you as usual. And she's like, I'm not going to shout from the rooftops for you to notice me. Like if you don't notice me, you don't notice me. So yeah. Done with West, I guess, hopefully, but God, yeah. Yeah, he really was a loser.

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55:57Ben Mandelker: Who, what, why, where, and Gwen Pentland. Nobody holds a candle to Jamie Kendall. We got our wish. It's Jen Plisch. My favorite Murdo, Karen McMurdo. Let's get savage with Laura Wildman. In the study with a candlestick, it's Leslie Peacock. We're ride or die for Lisa Ryder Barron. She's a whiz, it's Liz Sarthy. Always killing it, it's Lola Alkalani. Roger that, it's Marlis Rogers.

56:22Ronnie Karam: The incredible edible Matthews sisters. She eases our woes, it's Melissa St. Rose. She's the lady of the house, it's Rachel Scherouse. There's a chance of meatballs, it's Rebecca Cloud.

56:32Ben Mandelker: She's our princess, it's Rebecca Prince Maximum love for Sandy Maximoska She's the queen bee, it's Sarah Lemke We cannot tell a lie, it's Sarah Talafsun Shannon out of a cannon Anthony Please don't stop, it's Solian Pop Let's take off with Tam LaPlane Strike a pose, it's Tori Rose

56:53Ronnie Karam: She ain't no shrinking Violet Kuchar We love you guys

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