#3318 Southern Hospitality S4E07: Mia Culpa

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1:27So much that crap ends. Well, hello and welcome to Watch What Crap Ends, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about.

1:37Ben Mandelker: I'm Ben Mandelker and joining me today is the soon-to-be Maritime Ronnie Karam. Hi, Ronnie. How's it going?

1:45Ronnie Karam: Good. How you doing, baby? Great. Are you excited for your big night this weekend on the high seas? Oh, yeah. It's going to be some fun times. So I'm going to do this dinner cruise thing with Hannah Ferrier, Sheena, Marina, and Zach from the Valley. It's going to be so fun. I'm hosting them. I'm going to be their little, you know, low rent Andy Cohen. So it's going to be a super fun night. It's a dinner cruise. I'm over here seeing if there's any information that I can give you on the Instagram because I don't have it in front of me. Hannah Ferrier. So that should be really fun. So, yeah, I'm excited.

2:21Ronnie Karam: Well, I'm excited for you. I wish I could go, but I can't. So everyone, if you're in the SoCal area, definitely go check out that fun boat ride. And it's at cityexperiences.com, cityexperiences.com. So if you're in San Diego and you want to come to that, just go check it out over there. You'll see it. Also join us on Patreon, patreon.com slash watch what crap ends and get access to the free newsletter, which, by the way, in case we missed our 10 million other times we've mentioned it, the newsletter is available. to people who are not on Patreon. It just lives there. That's like its house. But it's like having an open house.

3:00You can just walk in and take a look around and the newsletter is free for all. But if you are a Patreon supporter, you get access to ad-free listening, bonus episodes. There's also Crappens on Demand there. There's a Discord. There's all sorts of amazing stuff. So come join us over there at patreon.com slash watch what crappens. Now, let us move back to the South where we are going to go to Southern Hospitality. I just want to say something. Do it. Last season on Southern Charm, Vanita and her mom went to a place called Zachary's Zachary's. And I remember at the time not really loving this place.

3:38I was like, this place is sort of annoying looking. And then this episode is a lot of Zachary's Zachary's. But even worse, if I have to hear Zachary's Zachary's referred to as Zach's Zach's, one more time. I was going to say, why are you calling it Zachary's Daiquiri's? It's Zach's Dax.

3:57Ronnie Karam: Zach's Dax. We're really excited about Zach's Dax. It's a party at Zach's Dax. I'm like, no. I am not abbreviating that stupid frozen multicolor machine bar shithole. No, I won't do it. I'm not giving it an abbreviation. An affectionate abbreviation. No. Yeah. It had some controversy when it started, Zach Stacks. I remember this came out because there was a targeted dress code there. So, on opening weekend, March 1st, 2025, the bar was accused of enforcing a strict dress code that critics, including social media users and viral TikTok, claimed was targeted against black customers. Bouncers were allegedly telling patrons no Jordans, no ripped jeans, no athletic pants after 8 p.m.

4:45Ronnie Karam: Selective enforcement accusations stated that this dress code was selectively applied to groups of black men while other so i remember reading about this when this happened and so right i knew what it was so i knew what it was when uh when vanita went there and i definitely knew what it was about this time and you know look zach stop trying to make zach stacks happen it's like it's 50 you know it's a line of 50 machines of like multi-colored dan kareens i just stop. Leave me alone. Isn't there enough? It's just so basic. It looks like also kind of a bar you'd see at the downtown Disney or something.

5:24I don't know. I just heard everything about it. It just was like, I was like,

5:28Ben Mandelker: and this is a place that's going to have a dress code? Really? It's like frozen daiquiris. I don't know. I just have to breathe deeply. Okay. Zox, Zox. Zox, Zox. so this music plays and some Trixie monocle where it's like who's that chick she's thick like Bisquick I'm like did you get did you was that approved by the Bisquick Corporation did they license their name out to be used in this Trixie

6:04Ronnie Karam: I don't know but it was there it was there so we are anyone who knows anything about pancake mix knows that if you're going to use a pancake mix, it's going to be Krusty's with a Z. That girl's the max. She's like Zaks Daks. Yeah, Zaks Daks is like the Bisquick of pancake mixes, of bars. I go to more of a Krusty's place. Yeah, today is a big Zaks Daks and Sir Wieners promo. So we're in the Republic back room, and Bradley, TJ, Michaels, everyone's prepping. you know getting ready for the shift and joe's just staring at himself in the mirror like yeah hey me joe look hot hey joe want to bump it yeah let's bump it putting shit in his hair and tj's like do you have enough gel there he's like never got enough gel never enough never enough gel bro never enough right so um women arrive and everything and then maddie and Maddie and Joe are ignoring each other.

7:10And Michaels is like, feeling some tension. You guys good? And I was like, yeah, yeah. I just like to stare at you, Michaels. Okay. You're like really pretty. She's like, yeah, I just wish you looked at me like that. You know, Maddie, remember me, your boyfriend? I'm over here. Remember?

7:25Ronnie Karam: Yeah, it's like super shitty. It's our first real fight. But like she knew she was getting in a relationship with, you know, I love to drink. I love to party. Yeah, but you knew who you were getting into a relationship with also. And she's sober. So yeah, you love to drink. you love to party but maybe lie less you know i think the the problem is more the lying the lying joe hello joe i'm not mad i'm not i'm not in the market for like a sober boyfriend but joe has been out drinking and then lied to me about it saying he was quote unquote at work okay and that's like not cool and joe's like huh i mean like maybe technically like he does that thing where he puts his hands on his hips and he leans forward.

8:06He's like, I mean, maybe technically, like, I did lie by omission, because, like, I didn't keep her, like, updated the entire night, but, like, I'm not, like, sneaking around or anything. I mean, she's, like, got my location. So Maddie's like, yeah, I mean, obviously I have trust issues. It's, like, it's triggering to me.

8:25Ronnie Karam: So Michael's briefed to everybody with the high energy brief. He's like, okay, so, like, Joe, like, Maddie, you guys are going to be working the door, so okay well let's let's have a good Thursday night then well go team you should lead an army

8:44Ronnie Karam: he really knows how to rally the troops he really does oh so now we see everybody working this is like club music I'm too sexy for your eyes you make a blind guys did Tim Rice just quit I think so

9:01Ben Mandelker: because this needs to be on Broadway. So Lake is leading on the bar. She's talking to Jordan, the bartender. And Lake is like, I just want to check up on you and make sure you're good. Are you going to talk to the devil? And then we see Justin at the door because he's the devil. He's the devil. And Jordan's like, she's like

9:35Ronnie Karam: Jordan is just like a stick of rouge up there like I don't even give a fuck about him I don't care it's like period though period people are going to find out who he is eventually so whatever he's like yeah he's like on thin ice like period period dot Brad is but Brad's outside standing with Justin and they look at like they look over towards jordan and jordan's like i feel like i'm about to be put in fucking blender right now he's like what what'd you do to get blended he's like i don't know because i feel like i've been like so upfront with her and i've just never had a headache like this over like a situation shit he's like i think jordan has been like telling people that we're more of an item than like the reality is and like the reality is she like comes to me for three things.

10:23Ben Mandelker: She calls it the three F's. We have fun, you feed me, and you fuck me. And then she giggles away. So I guess that's a G. So we got three F's and a G. If I add an A in there, I'm going to be in real trouble. So I think it's time that we just sever things completely with her.

10:38Ronnie Karam: This is actually what sent me over the edge with Justin. I mean, I hate him anyway, but fun, fuck me, you feed me? She has to feed you too? Really? That's low. Well, he said that she comes to him for three things. So I think that he feeds her. We have fun and you feed me and you fuck me. So I thought he was saying that she has to feed him. If he feeds her, that's, you know, but also we haven't seen much of this in reality. So I don't know what Justin is saying is true. Like I've been so upfront with her. All we've seen is him with her cuddling on the couch in a flashback and her being like, just don't date anyone I work with or anyone I'm friends with.

11:18Ronnie Karam: so we saw that and him being like okay and that's exactly what you're doing so yeah i the problem is his three f's thing like until we can get that sorted out about who's feeding who whom uh we're just really not going to be able to move past this like this well yeah because if you're saying like this is just casual you know this is just casual we're just like fucking or whatever and someone's like okay i agree to that but then you're like you need to bring me food every time you fuck me that's different. Like that takes it to a different level. I think. Yeah. Yeah. When you get calories involved, now you're messing with my heart.

11:52Ronnie Karam: You know what I mean? You can bring me Dick. I can get Dick anywhere for free, but you bring me like something on a really nice home toasted bun. Like you're just messing with me at that point. You're telling me you want me to have your children. Something fishy is going on. And that is the fourth F. So, uh, Brad's like, don't worry, I'm here for you.

12:10Ben Mandelker: So now it's time like the, it's like, it's guess what like the the club is open for business get your tommy bahama cargo shorts in here and get in that booth because tonight we are celebrating your retirement okay so i know i thought it was

12:26Ronnie Karam: funny the zach stacks thing and this has always struck me as funny because ever since reading that like dress code i thought any anywhere that they own has a dress code look how the people in here dress it's like a bunch of west hats and like dirty unwashed people so where's the dress code come in yeah like what's going on what's the matter what's happening also they always bring those signs they carry them to every table i guess if you buy a table you get one of those signs which we find out when he sold to those older ladies last week he's like yeah you get the table and then you get sparklers and you get a sign they're like oh my god sign me yes sparklers so everyone gets a sign so doesn't that make it less special when everybody has a sign it's like when you go to one of those restaurants and for birthdays they do like a huge thing where they come out with sparklers and they're like happy happy happy birthday to you happy birthday to you it's like the whole staff but then there's like seven birthdays in there and one night and you're like the seventh and you're just embarrassed it's like oh my god everyone's sick of this song everyone's already seen this dance my birthday is so basic and ununique you know or you could think of it as that you're in the cool club that you get the happy birthday song and you're not one of those tables that gets no singing okay well that's a nice way thank you for saving my birthday four years ago.

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15:26Ben Mandelker: The next morning and Michaels is strolling down the street and he's going to Lamar Sporting Club for a photo shoot because he is going to be on the cover of So Gay Virtual Magazine. and uh alex is there he's the editor-in-chief of this uh peabody award-winning uh outlet and uh alex is telling michael's he's like nice to meet you we're gonna get you he's basically like we're gonna we're gonna do a photo shoot for you he's like i'm excited he's like i was recently asked to do a cover shoot for a virtual magazine and like of course i said yes and they like have like more than like a million subscribers so like hopefully i get more modeling deals out of it like we'll see i don't know i'm nervous and i'm like i mean famously so gay magazine is a pipeline to like you know dior and versace so like fingers crossed because i think this could turn into

16:17Ronnie Karam: something big for him well i'm looking at it right now there is a on the cover is a guy doing this with his face he's like cut his hand on his face and his finger right under his nose like he's going to pick his nose with his knuckles there's a drag queen with a tan line or maybe it's a shining light and then Meredith Marks and like a tutu top. They are doing something right. Looks big to me. Okay, I take it all back. Oh, Rodrigo is in there. Rodrigo from Southern Charm is in there. There it is. You're basically, yeah, you're basically W Magazine. Yeah. This is like Women's Wear Daily, essentially.

16:55Ronnie Karam: And I have to say, it's not just so gay because that sounds like, what? It's so dot gay, which I really like. It's so dot gay. Yeah, it is actually. a very gay website as I'm going through it. But, you know, it's nice. They actually do a nice job here. Of course it is. Yeah, it looks good to me. Actually, it is really good because I've seen some of the gay magazines online and this one actually has their shit together. So good job, SoGay. You did it. Good job, SoGay. You are SoGay. I'm SoGay. So they're going to get him in makeup and all that stuff and he's super excited. And so he's talking to...

17:32Ronnie Karam: Michaels is now talking to his team at Lamar's and we see Corey talent manager. And Michaels is like, Oh my God, I have to call my mom and like, tell her about this. He's like, Oh my God, you haven't told your mom you're on soda. Okay.

17:46Ben Mandelker: Wait, is this about gays who like soda? No, it's so dot gay. Oh, sorry. Well, I texted her yesterday. I told her I have to surprise. I have a surprise for her over FaceTime. And he's like, Oh my God, do you think she's going to frame the cover? Like, yes. It's a digital magazine.

18:01Ronnie Karam: what is she going to frame a website

18:07and by all by everything it sounds like i'm sure yes you can't wait to put a big poster up of her of her son on something that says so dot gay so uh she's like oh she better

18:18Ben Mandelker: and put in the living room i barely had a relationship with my mom for the past five years and like with things like i was saying on the show things got even worse but like i've actually made some progress with her since last summer and like i think her see her hearing my side of things on national tv was like hard but like kind of motivated her to try a little harder with me and so like she comes from charleston from time to time and she'll surprise me and take me out to dinner and i'll like i'll tell her about like how tj has like a really nice ass and things like that and like i'm just hoping this is something my mom will see and be like you're really doing

18:49Ronnie Karam: something for yourself well it's nice to see that talking shit about your parents on tv actually can help a relationship because that's good because we always wonder on these shows like is this helping but it helped because he talked shit and she actually started making an effort and giving him money so here I'm going to start talking shit about my parents again I'm back so he's doing photos he does his photos and he tries on different outfits then he's going to now he decides he's going to face having his mom so he tries to call her but she like won't answer at all and finally

19:23Ben Mandelker: he gets like on the phone with her and he's like hi um i'm trying to facetime you facetime to show you something like oh come on like do you want to find okay fine i'll just see you when you come and he basically's like yeah she does not want to be she doesn't want to be on this show right now

19:39Ronnie Karam: doesn't want to facetime in so yeah but you know this is also she doesn't want to be on tv and he says that in his next he's like you know i feel like i'm being rejected as you know i feel like of being a little kid because I'm just being disappointed by my mom again. And I think it's because she doesn't want to be on camera because she knows I'm filming. But still, it sucks because this is her opportunity to show the world that she's supportive of her son. And maybe that's selfish, but, you know, I want to make my mom... Yeah, but your mom doesn't want to shoot on the show. Yeah, I don't have makeup on.

20:13Ronnie Karam: You've got to warn me about this. She's like, I just

20:16Ben Mandelker: woke up.

20:18Ronnie Karam: Yeah, you know, you never know. She's like, I'm on my second box of Franzia and I've got Benson and Hedges crumbs on my face. What? What do you want? You can just surprise somebody for TV. You've been in hair and makeup. What did she have? Yeah, but then again, he also did say I'm going to call you tomorrow because I've got a surprise for you. It's kind of like his way of saying be TV ready when I call. And like yes, I do agree. Sometimes you just don't want to be on TV. You're like at work. I'm like I can't be on TV right now. but that being said i'm not going to give the mom any benefit of the doubts because everything he said about her last season and how cruel she was to him i'm like ma 'am get on that facetime and support your son and do it right now yeah that's true it's not every day on so.gay we've never been i'm just thinking i'm just thinking of it from the from the like i don't want to be on tv right now and you can't force me kind of a thing but yeah i agree with what you're saying she should well there's something about a 22 year old complaining about like whenever we see like any 22 year old complaining about how like you know their boss or their parents or so and so is just treating them so badly i think our gut reactions be like well listen you're 22 and the rest of us are living a life okay like the world does not revolve around you so like our gut reaction is to be like come on get over it but then when you really think about it it's like oh she was pretty terrible to him she like was not talking to him so i think um she should get on her face time and support her that's true i just don't have enough distance from the past few episodes where michaels has pissed me off like chasing women around and screaming in their faces so yeah i'm kind of it is hard it is hard to hear him feel talk about feeling rejected and like getting a cold shoulder when he literally was just doing all the same things to Lake last episode until she like broke down and cried and like was at like a total point of misery.

22:12So I agree. It is, it is difficult coming off the heels of that episode.

22:17Ronnie Karam: But yeah, overall, I think you're right that I'm a bitter, um, bitch and that she should make an effort because you know, you're still his mom. Yeah. Yeah. You should be there for your child when they're doing something really cool. Um, so thanks for calling me a bitter bitch. Isn't that a compliment at this point? I'd love to be called a bitter bitch. That's why I've never been on So Gay, because you have to either be like a young, muscle-clad hot guy or an old bitter bitch. I was wondering when you were going to turn this into a formal complaint against So.Gay for not having you on. How could you not put us up there next to Meredith Marks?

22:58Ronnie Karam: I knew it was coming. So now we go to Cameo Facial Aesthetics. and they have to do it in a minute and a half, but you get like$75. So that's great. So it's TJ and Joe and TJ's like, um, hello to for Botox and facial scanning. Facial scanning is the most horrifying thing I've ever seen. Have you ever had your face scanned? No, but I really want to scan now. I want to see what my skin age is. They're like, welcome. Welcome. Uh, welcome to the clinic. Elaine Stritch. Your age is Lane Stretch age. Your skin, you have Lane Stretch's skin. Yeah. Carol Burnett, I love you. So they go and they get, well, first they make small talk.

23:50Ronnie Karam: You know, Joe says it's been a really rough week. He's like, yeah, it's been like really hard dating a sober girl. Like, I feel like even though I went to one bar, she like views it as me going on some like giant bender. Joe, you're going out and you're partying and you're getting no life. And then you're complaining that you have no life. And then you're lying about it. And she's telling you, if you want to have a life, you need to get more serious. Okay. Yeah. It's not the time to get defensive about your damn drink. If you didn't have a drinking problem, then someone saying, could you drink less?

24:18Ronnie Karam: Wouldn't offend you so much. Right. You know, DJ is like, I mean, you were way more sober than me when I saw you on Saturday. So like, you shouldn't beat yourself up about it because I feel like I've seen you change a lot. Okay. TJ, the enabler. TJ just wants Joe on his side to hawk more Serena's dogs. So this lady comes in. Her name is Katie. She's like, hi, guys. You guys want to see your skin analysis? Okay. All right. So TJ, you're going to get in the machine, and we're going to see how old your skin is. Let's see what sort of man you can still get. Okay. Okay. On this side is TJ, and on this side is the old lady from Titanic who still had the jewels from the bottom of the ocean.

25:00Ronnie Karam: He's like, what the fuck?

25:05Okay, so this is a California Raisin, but it's also you. Have you thought about...

25:10Ronnie Karam: Okay, here's TJ, and here's a Raisin singing around a cereal bowl.

25:19Ronnie Karam: So it tells you your real age on the left-hand side and shows your face. And then on the right-hand side, it's like your skin age. And it's like, 97. It's like, what? And it like points out all the skin damage and shit that you've got on your face. This thing was just horrifying. I mean, there's one thing I hate and that is truth. That is like truth in technology. Have you taken that machine? Have you done that machine? I would love to do it. I know when I'm going in for Botox tomorrow and I'm going to ask her if she has that face scanner. Because now I want it. I want to see how old my skin is.

25:50Yeah. I'm going to be shameless and I'm going to say if there are any dermatologists in the LA area that are willing to give me this test for free, I'm not going to pay for it. hit me up because I want to see my skin age. Now I also know it's a con because what they do is they know the person who's going to be most insecure about it's going to be the gay. So if you have a gay and a straight, they have the straight person have like a really young skin age that with a gay feels paranoid. Like, but it's not fair. Like I work so hard at this. I gotta do, I gotta go harder. I gotta go harder. I gotta be like the straight guys.

26:21And I think that's how they get him. That's how they get TJ to have more appointments because basically TJ's, TJ is 34, but his skin age is like 32. And it's like, oh, I did really well. But then Joe's 29 and his skin age is 24.

26:36Ronnie Karam: It's like, oh, I thought TJ's was like, no, no. The result screen says age 34. So he's older than his regular age. No, TJ is 34. Oh, so then I think it's the same age. Oh, how embarrassing. I think so. Your skin is the same age as you, TJ. And then they show him old. They show what he'll look like older. And he's like, oh, my God. And Joe goes, dude, you're a gilf. He's like, oh, my God. They age him. I'm scared enough to be 34. I'm not a twink anymore. I'm not a twink. Look, think of it this way. You're always a twink to someone who's 20-year-olds older than you. Like I met TJ, and I was like, twink.

27:14Ronnie Karam: That's a twink. So just always hang out with older people. That's why we have a friend in my group named Michael, and he's older than us. And God bless it. He's the one friend I will never lose. He's like, no matter what he does to me, I'll always keep him because he's like my older friend, you know? And I can always feel twinkish.

27:32Ben Mandelker: It's like, hello, this is the editor-in-chief of So Gay Magazine. I'm looking for TJ. Wait, hold on one second. His skin age is what? I'm sorry. Wrong number.

27:46Ronnie Karam: TJ, you came in as TJ and you're leaving as Ellen DeGeneres. So, sorry. at some point you go from being just tj to trader joe's so um yeah uh but then so tj is like not happy about this visualization and then joe does it and it's like oh joe you are 24 and let's

28:11Ben Mandelker: see you aging huh is this thing working it says you're 78 but your face looks exactly the same And DJ's like, why? Why? Why does he get all the luck? Why?

28:22Ronnie Karam: Yeah, Joe's results are age 29, skin age 24. And he's like, oh, yeah. Look, I told you skincare is bullshit. You don't need it. Like, it's not that important. It's Italian skin. It's all about the olive oil. How old is my bump it? Could you scan my bump it? The only skincare I do is rubbing Nana's chicken parm all over my face. So now they go to another room for Botox. and they're talking about Maddie and like why is she suddenly triggered? And Joe's like, I mean, it's like so weird because like we're so in love and there's like butterflies and rainbows and then the stuff like that triggers her and then she sees like red sometimes.

28:58Ronnie Karam: It's like, does she have trust issues? Like after we lied to her about her boyfriend cheating on her when he wasn't really cheating on her? It's crazy. Where would she get trust issues from? Well, I don't understand why this is happening. I honestly feel like you haven't given her any reason not to trust you. except that you're in on a part of a giant conspiracy to say that her boyfriend cheated when he didn't and also you just literally crazy and she was like surely she would she knows I wouldn't cross any boundaries I can't get hard when I'm drunk I feel like you're finally at a healthy point where you're also working on yourself internally obviously you don't have to do it externally because you got 24-age skin skincare you know what I'm trying to say I'm so I'm so I'm so flustered by your good skin that I can't even say it properly.

29:47Your skin is 24 years old. Anyway, like you're not drinking the way I used to. So like, you're great. I mean, only four drinks between 11 p.m. and 1 a.m. Like that's pretty chill.

29:57Ronnie Karam: It's like, yeah, thanks. I used to be a drunk. Well, maybe I'm still a drunk. I don't know. I got to think about it. He's like, no, no, Joe, you're really not the same person you were a year ago. That was way worse. Look, your bump is drinking a mocktail right now. Oh, yeah, it is. you've actually grown another personality on the top of your head you know and it's cute seeing you with a child it's a bump it but still would you mind if i put some googly eyes on your bump it and i can call in sal okay hey sal what's going on wait a minute it would have been better to have eyes on the back of my head because now bump it's just seeing the same thing i see it's like not really helping me back up in traffic or anything well you know it doesn't actually You have the camera back there.

30:40You can't actually see through the googly eyes. You can't. Then why even put them on? What's the point? Because it's cute, Joe.

30:47Ronnie Karam: Sal, he doesn't get it. So he says that, you know, he thinks of partying like I'm a sales guy. So, you know, like he goes to talk to people who are drinking and he's like, hey, you can come drink at my place, you know. And then like it loosens me up to have a couple of drinks. But then Matty yells at me and I feel so attacked. so uh joe's like i mean i don't want to be like a prima donna but it's like my fucking birthday week and like i'm already stressed out and like this event has to go really well i need to sell like 300 more tickets in order to like make a profit off this party it's like a lot i feel so emo about it get it so um uh then we go to zachary's zachary's it's time to go to zach's Zach's.

31:31Zach's Zach's. Lake and Molly are meeting up at Zach's Zach's because Lake is going to be spearheading like a paint and sit party at Zach's Zach's because it's a colorful place.

31:41Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Like, I really want to bring some youthful energy to Zach's Zach's. Put Lake in charge. So Lake meets Molly and Molly, okay, here's the thing about Molly. I have to say this. It's been bugging me ever since Molly came on the show. I'm like, you know, Molly's likable. I like Molly. I think Molly's cute. I think Molly's personality is funny. I think she tries sometimes too hard to get into storylines. I mean, look, no one's perfect. But all in all, I like Molly. So what is the thing I have against Molly? Because every time I see her, I'm like, no. Like there's something in me that's like a stop sign goes up for her.

32:16Ronnie Karam: I already know what you're going to say. You do? What is it? She looks too much like Katy Perry for you. No, you know who she looks like? Nancy Grace.

32:29Ronnie Karam: Sorry. So continue. Is that what it was? Yes. She looks like a young man. I mean, Nancy Grace is probably 60, but she looks like a young version of Nancy fucking Grace, who's the worst. She's a monster. OK, let me look at Nancy Grace. Either way, I knew what was I knew the issue was that you suddenly realized that she looked like someone that was triggering for you. Yes, she looks like Nancy Grace. And I can't get I'm going to put her on the screen here so that people can see this, because tell me that this is not Nancy Grace. share screen window. Did you or did you not kill your wife? I know you did.

33:06Ronnie Karam: I know you did because you are the type. He's a murderer. He's a murderer. And she gets somebody like thrown in prison and then you find out, no, he wasn't even there. He was like in a totally different neighborhood. And she never says she's sorry. No, look at Nancy Grace. Look at her. That is Molly. I'm not coming to Zach Stacks, Nancy Grace. Okay? I know all of your tricks. i really feel like molly looks like katie perry which i think is a lateral move for most people with anancy grace so my my issue with molly is i don't really understand where she stands with people so i thought she and lake were good i thought they were friends but then they were fighting at the end of the episode in a way that i didn't that seemed like that they were enemies so like i just don't get where molly fits in relationship wise with everyone but i like her in theory.

33:55Ronnie Karam: Molly is just too eager to be on TV, so she's ready to start a fight with anybody, no matter who it is, over anything. So you just give her a prompt. You can be like, hey, coasters. And she'll be like, oh, really? You're not going to use the coaster on my table, bitch? I paid a lot of money for that table. She'll start a fight over anything. Cork. Oh, really? Put a cork in it. No one needs to hear about it, Missy. It's like, okay. It's like improv fighting sometimes with her, I think. So Lake is saying how she's going to have, she's doing a paint and sip, but she's going to call it sip happens, you know, and because Leva approached her and Leva was like, Zach Stacks is our newest place on King Street.

34:38It's like right next to Republic. The place is like very light. It's very airy. It's very Charleston. Are we to assume, did Bourbon and Bubbles, did that end? Because that was next to Republic. Is it over? Is the Bourbon and Bubbles era over for us?

34:53Ronnie Karam: I don't think so. Do you want me to look it up and see if it's still alive? I'm going to look it up. Bourbon and Bubbles. Bourbon and Bubbles. Carolina. Bourbon and Bubbles. It's still open. It's open. It's open right now. Right this second. But, you know, she came out with a new business, so she's just going to try and publicize the new business. So she's like, yeah, ZaxZax. Like, we really need to get people in here. So you know what? You should have something called, yeah, Sips Happens. I like that because sip happens sounds like shit happens. And everybody wants their business associated with shit.

35:23Ronnie Karam: Okay, great idea. Put it on the bus. You know, at the end of the day, you get nothing for nothing, which is what the Republic Experience is all about. And, you know, hospitality is moving towards experiences. And the paint and sip is a wonderful thing for Zach Dax. You know, just slow down, put your phone down, you know, and just like have like a good Zach Dax paint and sip moment, right? Zach Dax. So Molly and Lake are talking about their event. and like it's like yeah i'm like trying to incorporate my studio art degree into business because you know like working the door republic isn't really art i mean i guess it is kind of an art but like my parents didn't pay for me to go to college to do that so now i'm doing like events

36:03Ben Mandelker: as zack stacks yeah they're gonna love i guarantee your parents also did not pay for an art degree so that way you could watch other people do elementary painting in the context of 12 swirling daiquiri machines yeah sack stacks so um they're sitting there and then a baby starts crying and like goes oh period she's just gonna keep saying period today period either she's saying period or uh the dictation on our notes was very literal no no she did she said she go period yeah she did

36:40Ronnie Karam: because I laughed at it. She's like, oh, period. Which I thought was funny because it means either like period like she's been saying it or it means like, please God, give me my period. You know, because you hear a baby crying anywhere else and you're like, oh God, please don't let that be me. That's Mia to Disto. Remember guys? And Molly goes, speaking of, I walked into the apartment the other night and Jordan was tweaking about something I didn't know about. Justin and Mia hooked up. And Lake goes, girl, you knew they made out. She goes, no, I didn't. I have absolutely no recollection of Justin and Mia making out.

37:14And then we see that when they did kiss on that trip, Molly was in bed and she was the only one asleep.

37:20Ronnie Karam: Yeah, she's probably sleeping to Nancy Grace on Fox News. And so we come back to present and like, it's like, yeah, well, I told Jordan and like, I do get why she's upset about it. It's like with me, but like with everybody though. And we see two days earlier, Lake and Jordan are talking under the tree and Jordan's crying and Mike's hugging her and jordan's like i just thought for a second it might be the real thing it might be the real thing what would make you think that this guy we've all been this we've all been in this situation where it's like oh he's saying that he doesn't want to be with me but he's like with me every day and he's like asking me to feed him like i mean he's basically my husband i've been in that position but i'm just like oh god ronnie stop crying under trees he doesn't like you stop crying under trees wow that's that if that's not an adele song i don't know what is um it's like she went from chasing pavements to crying under a tree so let's go back to zach's

38:19Ben Mandelker: present tense so lake is like no one considered her feelings so it was like my place to be someone that she could confide in so i was that friend to her and she goes because like i'm an empath And so Molly is like, and you don't think I was a good friend to her? She was like, well, I told her you were there and saw the kiss because I literally was not even, I was asleep. They literally cut away to me. Remember they showed me sleeping. She goes, well, you're still involved in it because you're friends with Mia. Like what you can do is say, Mia, I don't think you should be going for Justin. She goes, well, I don't think that you should be telling me what to do with my friend.

38:54Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Like, I mean, you're going, you're going and giving Jordan false information first of all. and then you're going and talking about a group trip that she's not involved in. This girl knows this man's a cheater. He's always cheating on him. Like, the best thing you can do is tell her, stay away from douchebags, you know? Yeah, that's what Lake should be doing.

39:12Ben Mandelker: But Molly's the one who actually has the issue because Molly's like, my roommate's freaking out because they hooked up. That's like not right. But then when we find out later, well, there's a little bit of a twist to this, a stupid, stupid twist that makes this whole fight beyond stupid. But we'll get to that. We'll get to it. Read all about it. So.gay. So.gay. Commercials. Here comes one right now.

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40:34Ronnie Karam: so um julia meets with maddie julia is the sponsor my favorite sponsor in life like seriously if every sponsor could be like this i'd actually get one because i love julia i want to hang out with her so maddie's like um yeah like i literally come here to this lake like three times a week like you know what i always say like a body of water decreases anxiety by like 70 percent I mean, except for the whole like drowning or like, you know, flooding. You know, that's another one. God, I guess water is kind of stressful. Fuck. Why are we by the water? No, I mean, it's true. Like when Titanic happened, like it was a huge tragedy, but like no one was anxious.

41:12It was great. Why are you bringing up my aging picture again? Why are you bringing up my skin age again? All right. TJ, this just in, you are not the old lady from Titanic. Oh, thank God. but you are giving Kathy Bates. Oh, no. Oh, no.

41:30Ronnie Karam: I would much rather Kathy Bates. What a hottie. So, Maddie, they're talking, you know, and she's like, do you want to try this, Julia? And Julia tries it. She goes, that's sweet. She goes, yeah, it's pineapple. It's good for the cooch, okay? And she's like, oh, okay. Tell me where you brought me here. Please don't make me take another sip of that, please. My cooch is fine. Thank you. think i'm really unhappy around this body of water right now something's wrong um well i'm really struggling with joe and i feel like i'm enabling him and i just like i've been advocating for him to like reel it in if his dream is to have a business and his bosses want him to reel it in too and i've like never been it's never perfectly affected me like with him going to bar but like sometimes i do get like a little jealous because he can use that thing to like cope and like i can't like hello fucking hell julia's like yeah i get a little jealous too you know because people have a thing they can just shut it off like wouldn't that be nice maddie's like yeah there's a miscon misconception that because you're a sober person that your feelings are like on lock but like if anything you feel everything every single thing and there's like a misunderstanding that you have like more patience when you're sober but like you actually run out of patience like really quickly because especially when people are like drunk i was like you know i believe that 100 i'm not sober but on those nights when i'm not drinking and i'm at a bar i'm like these people are the worst get me out of here.

42:50Ronnie Karam: Yes. Yeah. And it's an interesting point she brings up because so many times when you're, you know, addicted to something, you think, God, my life is so miserable right now. Like if I could just quit, like I'm a mess. If I could quit drinking, I wouldn't be a drunk mess. But then you do quit drinking and you're like, oh, I was drinking to medicate myself being a mess. So then you have to learn to deal with all that shit in a different way. And it's, it's rough. Yeah. It was an interesting point. I never really thought of it like, oh, I'm so jealous of those people because they get to lean on something to cope and we just have to sit with our feelings.

43:25I thought that was really, really fascinating. So Maddie's saying that she's feeling triggered, you know, because Joe will bring up marriage and everything, but she's like scared and she's worried that she's not going to be able to break a generational chain, you know, like whatever. And she says her family's not perfect, etc. and she says how her parents had her really young and they were still partying and having fun when she was a kid and she's like oh cool so I should party too and then that's when she started early and she just doesn't she's just like afraid of what example she may set for children yeah when

43:59Ronnie Karam: you're with a family who drinks my family drinks like they drink drink I mean they'll have a few drinks a night and that's just normal you know and so they can do that I can't I'm just not like that you know it's and it's hard and then when you don't drink they're like why aren't you drinking Are you sure? Do you need a drink? Are you sure? You can have a drink. You can just have a little bit of a drink. Why can't you have a drink? Are you sure you don't want just a little? All right, mix some vodka into a cereal. He's got to have something. It's like, why are you worried? You're acting like, you're more worried about me not drinking than you ever were when I was like a fucking mess falling all over the floor.

44:32Ronnie Karam: You know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So Julia just basically gives her some advice. And she's like, look, we all struggle. And I think you should just talk to Joe because we can't hold our dreams and our drink in the same hand. And Maddie's like, I like that. I want to put that on a fucking banner. Can I put that in a PowerPoint? Oh, God, I can't wait to put that in my friendship PowerPoint for TJ. He can never know. Except what if I'm holding a drink and my dream is to be holding a drink? Can I hold that in the same hand? She's like, okay, you know what? Now you're trying to talk yourself out of the banner.

45:07Ronnie Karam: Okay? Stop trying. Stop trying to talk ourselves out of banners. The drink is rotating. It's rotating. It's rotating. And now there's an ambulance falling out of the drink. Oh, are you incepting yourself? I've incepted myself into my drink dream. You should taste it. I do not want to taste that. Okay. I'm skiing now. Thank you. Oh my God. I'm skiing now. The ambulance still hasn't hit the water. So now we go to King Street for second Sunday. And me and TJ are setting up a Sir Wiener's tent. And it's raining. Which sucks. And they tell us that there's like this fair on King Street. the second Saturday or second Sunday rather.

45:42Ronnie Karam: And this is where you go to build like networking and client support. So it's like really important in the neighborhood to give wieners to everybody who passes. So they're having like a little group day selling some wieners, which is cute. There, there should just be a banner somewhere that says, how much do you want to be famous? Because it's downpouring, but every now and then someone comes like running up to the hot dog stand, like forks over some money, grabs a hot dog and runs away. It's like, okay, I got on TV. I think,

46:13Ben Mandelker: it's like it's raining only hard but i do want to be famous should i do it do it you could do it you could do it you could do it but it's raining so hard no do it get the hot dog get the hot dog you'll be on tv okay i'm going in guys yeah i mean it's like come on guys come on guys support

46:26Ronnie Karam: black businesses and like mia jesus and she goes no because like tj's small um brad is black and And I'm business.

46:37Maddie, meanwhile, is like, they're like setting up in Republic, like her DJ table inside. And Lake is trying to rally the troops for the paint and sip later. And I mean, it's like, I love art. I almost went to High Point University for interior design because I love art so much. Because really? Like the military? She goes, no, that's not a military school. She goes, oh, that's West Point.

47:01Ronnie Karam: so she's like yeah i mean i love art is me invited like is mia gonna be coming to this thing too like is it like me or is it like mia like who's coming to this thing and so we hear and lake's like well maybe molly invited her but i didn't she's like well i mean those of us without fake ass titties over here i know where we stand and i'm like we'll be there because i'm gonna go And this begins the group shaming of Mia's boobs, which is super weird to me. Like, maybe it's because I live in L.A. and they hand you those things when you get your driver's license. But what the hell? Why is that cool to be coming for somebody's boobs?

47:46Because her boob is a big thing of it. The reason why they found out that she went on a date with Justin is because he took a picture of his lamb chops at a steakhouse that happens to be Mia's favorite steakhouse. And then her breast is like sort of in the image and they're like, that's Mia's boob. And in fact, we see the picture right now and they're like, those are Mia's fake titties. And Amanda's like, oh my God, L-O-fucking-L. So Lake is like, yeah, that's Mia's titties and this is Mia's split ends. And yeah, that's Molly gone.

48:19Ronnie Karam: That was funny. I don't love the titty shaming. the split end shaming is pretty funny though it's fun she's like that's her favorite restaurant Malagon oh wow so you guys are telling me that Justin purposely put up an Instagram where he would know that everybody would figure it out and then he could break up with Jordan without actually telling her anything and having to be an actual man about it what a shocker you never see shit like that on Bravo that's crazy yeah and even if they couldn't figure out that it was Mia like he knows there's a boob in the picture and he knows Jordan will see it so yeah, this guy's just a fucker.

48:53So Bella is like, Bella, not to be confused with Bella, Bella is like, they went on an actual date, and Lake's like, yeah, Silicon's going to her head. So meanwhile, outside in the rainstorm, Michael asks Justin and Mia, how was your day?

49:11Ronnie Karam: She's like, what day? What are you guys talking about? We didn't go on a date. What are you talking about? And Michael's like, oh, Malagon, like, I've seen the screenshots like who's lying because like I saw the screenshots and then we see the screenshots again and Brad saying yeah I mean I saw the post and I thought that's weird it looks like Mia and she was like I was scrolling Instagram and I saw Justin's story and I saw two white glasses and then I looked even closer and I was like wait that's Maligon that's Mia's favorite restaurant yeah she's always like Maligon Maligon Maligon so Brad is like yeah I checked Mia's location and she's at the same restaurant that Justin and tired to, yeah.

49:47And then I put two and two together. I mean, she's at Malagon and Justin's taking a photo at Malagon and Malagon's her favorite restaurant. She like literally walked in today with a t-shirt that said, I ate at Malagon last night. So like, we kind of figured it out.

49:59Ronnie Karam: So they both put it on their Instagrams so that everybody would figure it out. And look, I get that Justin's a piece of shit, but why would Mia do that? I mean, I get - She didn't put it on her Instagram. She just had her location on and they could see that she was at Malagon. Oh, she didn't like tag her location. She didn't like tag herself and be like, look at me. I'm at Maligon. Right. Okay. Never mind. Okay. Thank you. Thank you before I had a 10 minute rant about it. Thank you. I'm backing away now. Yeah. It's a Michelin star awarded market in Tapparia. So who wouldn't love it? It won a Maligon star.

50:33So it's a pretty, pretty big place. Maligon girl. It's a great movie. So yeah, they're like, whoops. Justin's like, well, you know what? a few days ago I woke up and I just said, fuck it. I want a date with Mia. And Mia's more like you said, fuck it. I want a storyline. So Mia's like, and I said, sure. Why not give the guy a chance? Right? He's like, yeah. And it was amazing. Yeah. We had a beautiful dinner and Justin goes, we went out and then, you know, gets blurry after that.

51:03Ben Mandelker: I was intending to take a picture of my fantastic lamb chops to crop Mia's face out. But in doing so caught her double D's in the frame as well.

51:12Ronnie Karam: And Mia's like, how'd they even know it was my boobs? Like, what? So now we go back to the second Sunday thing, and Justin's like, yeah, that lamb was fantastic. That's all I'll say. Oh, that lamb.

51:31So Maddie is like, Mia told Jordan she wasn't interested in Justin so much for being a girl's girl and for women. And so, but like, normally I would get that, but like Mia is not friends with Jordan at all. It's just someone that she knows. Like she owes Jordan literally nothing. Like the issue should be more like Mia should have higher standards than Justin.

51:54Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but she knows what Justin's doing. And she knows that Justin is torturing this girl. And she knows that this girl is crying over it. And that it's a big thing. And so I get her. I mean, I get the thing like just because someone I don't really know, like she knows that it's causing a problem. and I don't know. Now she knows that Justin's purposely posting stuff to fuck with this girl. And then the attitude she has towards the girl is so rude. I'm just not really getting what the hatred for Jordan is. You know? I get that she's like, that's not my friend and my responsibility. But I think like anyone with any kind of sensitivity would be like, hey, Jordan, I know we don't know each other that well and you like this guy.

52:31Ronnie Karam: I kind of like him and he's asking me out. But, you know, I just wanted to come to you woman to woman because Jordan would have probably been like, well what can i do go go ahead but even if she doesn't do that she seems to be coming at her in kind of a i don't know pretty harsh yeah she seems to be pretty harsh with her it is harsh but i also think that she's like she initially said that she's like well i didn't pursue it because i knew like he's just playing games whatever and i think that she's just like horny and she misses

52:59Ben Mandelker: troy and she's probably thinking like this is so annoying because i feel like everything that i do like everything is like but what about jordan what about jordan what about jordan it's like you know enough already i just don't care anymore so i definitely get how it reads as not a girl's girl but i also think that like if it's like someone you just don't even know and you have to tiptoe around this whole situation it's kind of like i mean personally i would just avoid the whole situation because it sounds like it's full of too much drama and this guy's obviously a fuck boy but i think she just wants to get laid i think she i think she's just kind of as low as

53:31Ronnie Karam: Justin as far as storyline. It's like, okay, you know, I'm with this hot guy that I really liked. We just went on this romantic vacation together, but he's not going to move here. I'm on a TV show here. They want me to have a boyfriend. So I'm going to dump this guy. And then I'm just going to date this fuck boy who I know is a piece of shit because it's a storyline. And he's like, I'm going to date Mia because she's a main cast member. And Jordan is a friend of. So why am I going to hitch my wagon to a friend of, you know? And now he moved up to someone on Southern Charm. So he's going to try and get on that one.

53:59Ronnie Karam: So I think there, I think it's kind of grosser because it's like a TV thing too. So Jordan's thing might be, you know, thinking like that, like, God, like, well, that being said, Jordan looks absolutely like devastated and destroyed by this whole situation. So I feel very bad for this girl. So Lake is just doesn't understand why Mia is doing this. So now we see Joe, he's driving his truck. And he's like, hey, person in my phone, call Maddie. Maddie. It's like, and she's like, no, hello, fucking no. So she doesn't take the call. He's like, okay, Sue, call Maddie. It's like, hello, this is the barbershop.

54:42Ronnie Karam: He's like, wait a minute. Sorry, I don't know who Maddie is. Could you be a little more specific? I'm just kidding. Really don't know who she is. Are you talking about Mad Dog and Glory? That was such a nice movie. I loved it. no sue call maddie okay here's her number so uh maddie gets a call and ignores it again and um he keeps trying and she's like no bro no bro not gonna do it let's go to zach stacks

55:07Ben Mandelker: okay and it's time for the paint and sip and uh everyone's arriving and molly's like oh my god lake are you excited she's like i'm a little nervous welcome to my world the high stakes world of throwing small parties at Leva's places.

55:23Ronnie Karam: The glamorous world of bringing art supplies to Zach's Dax. I know. So Leva's just like, Lake is saying how she's just hoping that she can host more events because it seems like that's all the kids care about on this show. It's like, I just hope I can impress Leva's. That way I can do more events and more bars for her. I just want to do more labor for her. And so she's like, Leva thank you so much for this opportunity like I loved being part of this and Leva's like yeah like I feel like there's just like so much more room for art in hospitality so this is like great like look nobody's looking at their phones it's a big thing for Leva she's like wow people need to get off their phones is Lamar just on his phone all the time I feel like she's probably sad because she's no longer making cookies with little because remember there was that one season where like every time you saw her she was just making cookies with her son and she was like yes i forgot about cookies on

56:27Ben Mandelker: so she's like lake did such a great job on short notice and this is a great event for zax because it's a different kind of space than republic it's more basic which we didn't even think could be possible but somehow it is we made him place more basic than republic and she's killing it here

56:43Ronnie Karam: yeah I will say that the artwork that was being done was pretty good I was like wow they hired a lot I mean they brought in a lot of good art ladies who were like yeah I'm gonna fucking come to Zach's Dax here's my Picasso bitch it was good some of this artwork I hope that it was all watercolors because you know there is some furniture that has to be cleaned up afterwards you don't want to get any stains that's all pleather in there Yeah So We see Molly Maddie and everybody painting at tables And Jordan's talking to Molly And Molly's like oh my god the vibes The vibes And then Mia comes And she's not even wearing pink guys And it's a pink party Mia you are not a girl's girl What did you lose your pink at Maligon?

57:33Where's your pink? She goes well I just came from something else What? Where'd you come from? Maligon with Justin. And they're like, okay, well, go say hi to Jordan. She goes, why? Because she's my friend. She goes, I'll say it nicely. So Mia turns to Jordan. She goes, hello, Jordan, how are you? Jordan's like, hi, good to see you. And then she turns back. I did it.

57:58Ronnie Karam: Mia's like, yeah, that girl should be mad at Justin. Not me. I mean, like, we started sick. Like, we had a funny kiss. Like, there's no crazy love affair moment happening. Like, why am I the bad guy? Why am I? so um lake brings jordan over to maddie's painting table so that way she could be away from mia because maddie's like and then uh molly pulls me aside and mine's like girl i need to talk to you she goes okay then talk to me right now sassy and then they sit to the side and molly's like i can't do it anymore all of this i mean she's my roommate you're my friend i just don't want it to be weird because um she's making it weird we're not even friends because but like she's my good friend Can't you guys like talk because you both love me?

58:40Like, you're not important enough on this show to make amends with you.

58:45Ronnie Karam: So I'm going to say no, but this is a funny turn because me is like, but you're the one who said I should try to date him. And she was like, yeah, well, I guess I shouldn't have said that. Then we see a flashback to two weeks earlier of Molly being like, yeah, you should go out with Justin just for fun. And he is saying, wouldn't Jordan be mad. And Molly saying, well, I mean, I mean, I wouldn't sleep with him if I were you, but just go out with them. It's going to be a good time. So Molly, yeah. I don't know if you're the one to deliver this message.

59:13Ben Mandelker: The issue is that Molly feels guilty because her friend feels bad. And Molly encouraged Mia to do this. And now she's actually upset at Mia for doing it. It's like, Molly, this was your own stupid Jane Austen backfire.

59:29Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And she says, my intention was to communicate to Jordan that Justin sucks. Like, it sounds crazy saying it out loud now, But like, I just wanted to show her this man is not for you because, you know, then he would be sleeping with me. And then you could be like, see, sleeping with me. He's not for you. He's not the right guy. Like what? No, Molly, you can try to do this revisionist history of like, oh, no, it was just a trap. So Jordan could see that he's a fuck boy. No, you were just being messy. And that's all it was. There was no ulterior motive to it. so um then we see last night when molly is talking to jordan and she's like listen i shouldn't have said that to mia and i'm so sorry for my part in that so at least she admitted it to jordan and jordan saying okay i forgive you were good so then molly's like um but could you have a conversation with her for me purely because you love me and also because your car was seen outside megalodon steakhouse five minutes after a murder megalodon steakhouse now that's fun he meant Maligon but I think Megalodon Maligon wait were you at Megalodon or Maligon they're owned by the same company when will people realize that are you saying Nancy Grace gets things wrong what are you saying don't argue with Nancy Grace murdered by a Megalodon

1:00:49Ronnie Karam: okay Mia's like oh my god do you see how ridiculous this is like I'm not going to be a martyr okay like I'm not putting my name out there as if I'm the other woman or whatever never never no no i'm never gonna do it no so then uh at the table at one of the painting tables um julia's like uh julia which is brad's julia she is like so how's joe doing maddie and he's like oh we got into a fight because he didn't go to work over the weekend like he says republic is his number one priority but then he'll like leave work and if he like wants to work for leather as bad as he says he does. I feel like not showing up to work is like not the way to do it.

1:01:28Ronnie Karam: She's like, I was like, Joe, you need to act older than your face age. He said, well, I don't want to hear about it anymore. Cause we're going to go have a drink. And I said, who's we, he said, me and Sal, that's what TJ named my bump it. And then they went off. And then I realized his bump it has googly eyes. I was like, what are you doing, Joe? You're too drunk to even realize you have googly eyes and you're bumping now. He said, be quiet. Sal's my best friend. And it got real weird after that. So Bella's like, first of all, my name's not Ella, and I would like you to talk to Leva about it. Okay, but just leave out the business side.

1:02:00Ronnie Karam: And Julia's like, yeah, and don't mention the business part of it. Just maybe say what's the best way to support Joe. And she's like, support Joe in getting a business. Yeah, I will talk to her about that. They're like, oh, Maddie. So she goes to Molly and Mia's table, and Leva's also there, and she has to speak with Leva. So they sit to the side and Maddie's like, yeah, so like, what if it goes, how are you doing? I know when you had a rough night and like, it definitely shows. That's always great. Yeah. Well, I tried to hold Joe accountable for his behavior over the weekend, but he got pretty defensive.

1:02:37But like, I really want to ask you, like, what do you think is the best way I can support Joe in overcoming your frustrations with him? Because like, I know his dream is to have a bar and an empire, you know, So Lava's like, can we just like pause just to laugh about that for one second?

1:02:50Ronnie Karam: Yeah, it is really funny if you think about it. Well, like he used to be so consistent. So I'm not like not really sure what happened. She's like, yeah, well, I want to take accountability for my part. Like, because I was in the hospital earlier this year and he was with me for that. She's like, yeah, but like, I mean, you had some health issues. But then like he never got consistent after that. Like, I need him to be consistent, like physically present. But like he'll like leave. and then he just like doesn't come back. So yeah. And he thinks he's like networking. Stupid. Leva's like, yeah, it's not though.

1:03:24That's the narrative in his own brain. And Leva taps the side of her head to be like, this is where the brain is, by the way. I never know who I'm talking to.

1:03:34Ronnie Karam: Yeah, well, I agree. And I don't think business is happening at a bar at like two in the morning, you know? And Leva's like, yeah, it's not happening at an after party. It's not happening after 2 a.m. in a club. Like, bro, if you want to own a bar, you have to be there. Like, look at my ass at 40, 46, putting my heels on and my hoochie outfit and like shuffling my ass to the club because I have to be there. Yeah. What if a DAC machine breaks at Zach's Dax? That's like a disaster. I have to be here. So, you know, Joe shows up like from time to time. But this business is based on reliability. And I need him to rebuild that trust.

1:04:12Because if you are coming in after having a business dinner from working at Gwyn's across the river, if you don't see Joe every single time you come in here, then what sort of reliability is that?

1:04:28Ronnie Karam: Joe does have magic. You know, like everybody loves him. He's got four eyes now. I mean, that's like a pretty big thing. So. He is like such a people person. yeah but he gets lost in the sauce like literally i once uh got him some takeout from mcdonald's and got him some barbecue sauce and some mustard sauce and he got very confused i had never seen somebody swim in honey mustard until that day and it was sad it was sad he just kept on tapping the mustard packet and i said what are you doing he's like i'm trying to enter in my address and i said you're literally getting lost in the sauce but like you're good with boundaries because like you're sober and um you know like he needs to sense your boundaries and like if he had sensed your boundaries he'd be opening a club in six months and then he's like oh my god love always tells me a beautiful self-control and i think like she wants to see some of that joe but i can't control joe and i can't you know i can help guide him and like hold him accountable and like you know maybe teach him what the word no means it means yes so Leva goes you will get chewed up in this industry if you feel like you need to go everywhere and be everywhere it could put you in some seriously bad situations you don't want to get in bad with big sauce okay that could jeopardize everything he cares about don't get lost in it so now it's night time and Emmy comes in and finds Lake and Jordan and she's like I'm here like not even getting t-boned could stop me from getting here because like I just got hit like I had to call 911 and I was like hyperventilating i was like that you know i'm like i'm already having like a shitty fucking weed but like okay catch me up catch me up on everything like it's super important i'm like here for you like i care about you i just care did brad say anything about me like seriously i cannot take it i cannot take it one more time dude do not tell me that brad was here as a sax calling me racist it was like a really scary thing like that driver was like really aggressive i mean like he was i mean he was i felt unsafe on the street i mean like uh uh uh it was a black cars a black car am i even allowed to say like it was it was a car of a it was like a yeah i don't know what color the car was i don't see colors on cars i'm just like uh uh am i am i okay am i still on the show am i still allowed to say these things uh uh i got t-boned did you get it at malagon no what's what why are you asking me that oh gosh but it's crazy i mean got into a car accident it didn't really look like a t-bone looked like a side swipe but either way she got into a car accident and Jordan's like, Mia won't apologize to me.

1:07:00I'm like Mia. I mean, Jordan, she just got into a car accident.

1:07:04Ben Mandelker: This is the first time Emmy has like gained, like she has earned her craziness. She has earned her hyperventilation. I think we should let her have her moment of being like, I just got T-boned.

1:07:17Ronnie Karam: I know, but Emmy's the girl who cried hyperventilation. You know what I mean? Like she's hyperventilating all the time. So when something real happens, everyone's like, okay so anyway yeah mia won't apologize so um now um mia tells lake she's like so what's going on over here like you're avoiding eye contact like i noticed you do that little thing where you like turn your head and you're turning your head like this like you're turning it like this

1:07:41Ben Mandelker: why are you doing that mia i'm not trying to start anything with you but like you didn't even apologize to jordan she gave me as like apologize for what it's like um like you know and molly's like i'm truly trying to figure out where lake fits in this situation other than being a pastor and starting she is being a friend to jordan the way you say you're being a friend to jordan and also why are you mad at lake because aren't you what wasn't your whole thing molly that you wanted mia to make peace with jordan you were sort of implying that you're kind of team jordan on this one and lake is standing up for jordan like why is molly in a tizzy about this what i'm saying

1:08:23Ronnie Karam: molly's just trying to start a fight with anybody and now molly is mad because lake was kind of telling she was kind of confronting molly and being like you're not being supportive of jordan so molly's coming in defensive with lake because at the planning party she was like but i am being a good friend of jordan and she's like not really you saw that you saw you saw the making out and And she's like, no, I didn't see them making out. So now she's mad at Lake for saying Molly saw them making out when Molly was asleep. Jordan's like, Mia, they asked me if you apologized to me. Like, I said that you didn't.

1:08:56And Mia's like, for what? She's like, Jordan's issue is that she fell for a guy she was hooking up with. And now she doesn't want anything more. Now he doesn't want anything more to do with her. And when people are embarrassed, they're hurt. And when you're hurt, you act out. And you attack the person nearest you. Unfortunately for her, the last person she should want to attack is me. By the way, also, I feel like all these girls are like 22 years old. And I can't imagine that Mia is like, I can't, I have to imagine that Mia is like, I can't believe I've got to shoot this scene with all these girls who are like, I don't know.

1:09:29I think Mia's in her 30s. And she just must be like, why the fuck do I have to justify myself to these like 22 years old?

1:09:36Ronnie Karam: Mia is a full grown woman talking to what she probably considers children. who are like, maybe at least, like, you guys have not heard of fuckboys. Like, I'm not going to ante you right now. You know what I mean? Like, I do not have time to explain this to you. So, Lake is like, yeah, Mia feels no feelings. Like, she could act like a bitch and then be like, sorry, I'm a bitch. Like, she hasn't cried since, like, 2008. Like, when's the last time you cried?

1:10:07Ben Mandelker: yeah man come on and so then Mia's like that's the insensitive bitch that I am you know that's just who I am and she says I don't say things that I don't fucking mean and he played your ass and he's a fucking dickhead he is not worth it I will get another lamb chop from him though

1:10:26Ronnie Karam: she's like I know he's not worth it okay so like is it so you can have like some sort of qualm with me because like I can have a conversation with another woman and just be me and her. Like, I don't need to have a backup one, two, three over here. Like, if you want to have a conversation with me, come to me. And Lake's like, I'm not her backup. I'm just her good friend. And Molly's like smirking. So Mia's like, okay, so do you feel like Molly's a good friend of Jordan? What about that? So she's coming with her big weapons. And Lake's like, well, I think there were like some moments when she was a bad friend.

1:11:01Ben Mandelker: Molly goes, oh, because I had one bad moment. I'm like, she literally just said there was moments. She's like, oh, because I had one bad moment. One moment where I said Mia should go after the guy that Jordan, my best friend and roommate, is into. Oh, sorry. I guess I'm just a bitch. Just because I suggested that someone else should date the guy that my friend is really into. Whoopsie-doo. I'm like, actually, that's kind of a big deal. Yeah, like it is one bad moment, but it is a bad moment. Like, and you, like, yeah, that was bad.

1:11:32Ronnie Karam: especially when that's the moment we're talking about right now you know that's the crux of this issue like it's like what i value in friendships and real people are not characteristics any of you guys have exhibited mia's like whatever but i think mia's only like 29 so she's not in her 30s but she still is older than these these girls well there's still a big difference between 29 and 22 You know, there's a huge difference. So like, it's like Molly wants to be like Mia. So fucking bad. It's like weird. She's like getting there though. They both, they're both fake as shit. I'd rather not surround myself with fake bitches with fake titties.

1:12:10Ben Mandelker: I'm like, um, have you seen the table you're sitting at? Hey, don't let them break it to you, but you're on reality television, ma 'am.

1:12:18Ronnie Karam: You're going to have to lower your standards a little bit. You're going to have no friends talk to your friends with a Bella and an Ella. and I would not be surprised if there's an A and an A. We're going to be working here soon as well. Yeah, but I think she's also upset with Mia because last week at the lake, Mia was like, what's wrong with you? You're like all emo. What's your problem? You're just like crying all the time like a baby. Look at her. She's like crying like a baby, everybody. What's wrong with her? So yeah, I think Lake's carrying that over a little bit.

1:12:49Ben Mandelker: But then Molly's like, well, if you feel that way, if you think I'm like fake, Lake, why'd you ask me to help with your event? And she goes, I got coerced. And it cuts to Leva.

1:12:59Ronnie Karam: And Leva's like, bye, heart hand, Zach Stacks. Zach Stacks. I love how no one's licking their phones. They're just fighting with each other. Zach Stacks. Zach Stacks. So Mia's like, Lake, that's fucking shitty. And Lake just rolls her eyes. And Molly tells us, yeah, next time you have a paint and sip, you can paint a middle finger, bitch. Not her best work, but okay. So then Lake is like, we're not, we were not cool before Molly. And guess what? We're not cool after. See what I did there? Different preposition. So Lake is like, okay, well, we don't have to be cool. And me like a suck it, a sick, suck it, bitch or sick, bitch or whatever, bitch.

1:13:41She goes, you're the, you're the fucking bitch. Goodbye.

1:13:43Ronnie Karam: You can leave. And Jordan's just like shivering in the corner. That's why you're a friend of Jordan Yeah This was your chance You know you wanted to Date that man for your chance to be on this show He didn't work out This was your chance You blew it Jordan Get out Shit I want to take somebody to Maligon now Just to piss you off Jordan You dropped the bag You dropped it

1:14:14Ben Mandelker: What a shame

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