#3324 Crappy Hour 4/20/2026: Ciara Speaks, RHORI Misteress Sued, Lisa H Arrested

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1:06What happens when there's so much that crap ends?

1:30Ben Mandelker: I'm just hanging out here with you, ready for a big crappy hour. I'm excited to see all the people, all the gorgeous people here in the world of, you know, podcasting, etc. Oh, you know what? I think we need to change the settings on this a little bit, shall we? Why? Because it sits on private, but you know what? I'm going to change it right now to public. Dang it. Everyone, here it comes. I'm going to mess today with this, okay?

1:58Ronnie Karam: because I already...

2:00Ben Mandelker: It's okay. We can hang out here while people come in, while people filter in and say hello. Oh, boom, right away. Hello, everyone. That's so quick. Amazing how the internet works.

2:12Ronnie Karam: Well, Instagram's not getting it today. Sorry, Instagram, but I had a technical difficulty over here. I don't know what happened. Probably putting the wrong string key. What are you going to do? What are you going to do?

2:21Ben Mandelker: You know what? Mercury is in Lincoln right now. That's what I got to say. I wouldn't say it's in retrograde. It's just in Lincoln. Hannah says excited as fuck Ben already channeling Luke yeah you know Luke for Congress you know

2:37Ronnie Karam: here's what I believe in more cheese curds in dishes

2:44Ben Mandelker: here's what we need hot dishes not cold dish but I'll serve you a cold dish of truth I don't like you there

2:52Ronnie Karam: I said it yeah we were talking about him running for on the regular show and we were saying it's weird that west calls them casseroles and luke calls them hot dishes but we found out it's regional missouri calls them casseroles so there you go i know you guys were worried and you tuned in today to see if we would address that and we did so there you go so a lot of you um and by a lot of you i mean me are probably sick of the uh sierra West Amanda drama, but guess what? Still going. Today we got a special gift, Ben. Did you know? Have you heard about the special gift? I avoided telling you before we were recording because I knew you were very excited.

3:35Ben Mandelker: What's the special

3:36Ronnie Karam: gift? Somebody died. Just kidding. That's usually your move is to find somebody dead when we started recording. You did. We don't need to bring that up. I didn't say that for you to bring that up, but we did get a special surprise today in the form of West. giving his first interview about all of this. So a bunch of interviews happened, actually. Sierra gave an interview. Hers was a good one. I mean, I read the interview, but it was gorgeous because it was for, what fashion magazine was it for? Glamour and Hunter Harris. It was Glamour. Yes. Yeah, Glamour. And she looked great. So, you know, I'm like a housewife when it comes to reading really long articles.

4:18Ronnie Karam: I was like, no. But I read a lot of clips from it, So I feel like I read it. So she gave one and West came out today and gave his interview on a podcast. And it was a blonde girls podcast. And I don't know if it's. Call her daddy. No, I think it's the other one. Brianna chicken fry. No. You know how there's two ladies who look just the same. There's like Alex Earl and Alex Cooper. And they're fighting the other one. Yeah. So was it one of them? I don't know. It was a it was a very pretty blonde girl. But nobody is crediting her in any of the clips that they're posting on Instagram. They're just like, here's a podcast West was on.

4:54Ronnie Karam: I'm assuming it was like some Barstool sports thing because that's his jam, right? But anyway, some clips from it. He's wearing a hat, but he's wearing, you know, it's like bright orange, like cone orange, traffic cone orange. And it's kind of shaped like a traffic cone. It's one of the ones that go really tall. Oh, yeah, like that. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And some smart boy glasses. So here's a quote. You know, one thing I would like to be very clear about is that there was no overlap, no overlap at all. You know, I know there's like a thousand different theories on the Internet, but that is one thing that for sure did not happen.

5:32Ronnie Karam: Everyone was single. And then like we realized that like maybe we're a little serious in February and then that's when it started. And then that's not a whole more to it than that. okay but if you realized it was serious in february then that means that you were doing other stuff before february right right and she's still married so i guess he meant no overlap since

5:56Ben Mandelker: the separation announcement um yeah i think that's what it has to have been but i don't believe him at all of course right like we don't i don't believe him i also got an interview from someone

6:10Ronnie Karam: named rondle on instagram and he said i do not believe you it's an exclusive exclusive it was only here exclusive news he she also said something like oh you know have you been feeling better west and he's like well you know been a lot been a lot uh better in life but um trying to take it a day time and stay off my phone but the internet's really scary and amanda's taken like a big brunt of it you know like her number got leaked and someone uh texted her that she's a homewrecking whore and that absolutely did not happen you would be the homewrecking whore not her

6:50Ben Mandelker: yeah i mean there has to be a home to wreck first and foremost so to be fair she has not wrecked anything but um uh yeah i i i love this turnabout like because he you know he has said this this season he's like um so i didn't realize um that like going to like journalists would be like bad and like i realize i get that now i get that i totally get that now um i don't think he ever really i don't think he really got it i think he said that to sierra just to say it to sierra and i think that now now that he's on the receiving end and seeing that sierra's had this whole big article in glamour magazine now he gets it now he knows what it feels like to have someone talking about you and their relationship with you on a platform that's bigger than what you can offer and knowing that you can't really reply or clarify something that was said in that article and i love that he is now on the brunt bearing the brunt of that

7:54Ronnie Karam: yeah i had you open in another window so you were still talking i was trying to see what was going on with patreon oh i apologize you see you're still talking in my head but yeah that makes sense yeah that makes sense and i was thinking that a little too as far as seeing this here i did it and being like okay well now i need to give an interview but glamour magazine was like um this is called glamour magazine not toe fungus face yeah i don't know if wes is i don't think he's inherently qualified to be featured in a magazine called glamour i think like you know dog fancy doggone fancy magazine or just like you is there one called you well entertainment weekly actually there is you do that one um i have been following the west stuff i am shockingly shockingly not sick

8:43Ben Mandelker: of it i'm enjoying it um i find that it's actually like at like a very it's like at a nice simmer it's like bubbling away but it's not as crazy as skandaval was but it's definitely still happening and going forward. And like the thing that happened this weekend that people were talking about was that West and Amanda went to a Yankees game. Guys, they went to a Yankees game and she was like, they were sitting together and Amanda of course had like her knees up. So they're like covering most of her face, but I don't think she was doing it to cover her face. I think she's just someone who goes to a baseball game and sits in a sad way.

9:18Ben Mandelker: Like, I guess there's baseball. And she was like, act like you like me, act like you like me. So he's like, um, you want me to act like I like you? Um, okay. So then he like kissed her, but this seems to have been, I think this was like on TV, right? It was the clip looked like it was like pulled from television. I feel like the yes network, which is the Yankee network. I feel like they must've had a camera trained on, um, on them, the entire game waiting for a moment for them to kiss cam or whatever that they have. I think they were like these two people the moment they kissed were putting it on the air we're gonna just run that back

10:00Ronnie Karam: um yeah that makes sense because that's what it looked like it looked like it was some sort of a kiss camera something that they were being filmed and she didn't look like she was hiding she was just she had her foot up on the chair behind her and there was someone sitting in that chair so there was one thread of people really upset about that and then um then she was like trying to like pull his pants while he was cheering you know the whole thing while he's it's going to a game with somebody you're not really into the game but they just keep standing up and screaming and yelling but also he was the only one in the whole crowd that was standing up and screaming and yelling it's like he's going out of his way to get attention so you know which is obviously why he's doing all of this but um yeah he he didn't seem to be like wow don't look at me he's like look at me i'm cheering they're like we're not even playing yet you can sit down

10:50Ben Mandelker: he's taking a victory lap he's doing a victory lap he is in the middle of a white hot scandal and i think he

10:56Ronnie Karam: loves it yeah he's loving it so uh but you know there's that and then there was a girl at the game he was like oh my god i'm at the game and what's this year with the man oh my god i'm like doing breathless reporting and that seemed like crazy you know turning around like and then the lip readers to find out that amanda was saying um whatever she said like Act like you like me. That was just lip readers were saying maybe she said that. So it's a lot of people just going crazy in the streets over Amanda and West. Amanda's message, hold on, let me see. Because this all started basically with Amanda putting out the message of, well, putting out the story of just her dog sleeping, who's very cute.

11:40And, you know, whenever you're in doubt, you respond with a cute dog picture.

11:45Ronnie Karam: And I think that that's a pretty good way to live. Like if I ever get in trouble with taxes, it's going to be a picture of Bueller. And not now, but like when he was a puppy, like looking all cute and stuff. And I'll be like, sorry, I didn't pay my taxes, but I didn't understand them. So she posted that and it's like, hey, guys, it's going to be really short and sweet. And like, obviously, I've been Mia. Well, not Mia because you guys really like Mia, but MIA. And I just wanted to come back. And I mean, I'm disappointed in her people, especially those I know have reached out individually, including this dog isn't it cute but for the sake of my mental health I'm going to try to start living a life with some sense of normalcy so she did this whole big post and then was out so she started leaving the house and people were like oh my god it's Amanda it's Amanda it's Amanda and a gas and go it's Amanda and a gas and go how can Amanda be out here what is she doing and then so they just started getting pictures of normalcy

12:39Ben Mandelker: yeah they started oh my god there's no one's ever said the phrase oh my god there's Amanda

12:48Ronnie Karam: what about your phone um yeah yeah there was that and then so everybody was reporting oh my god they went to a movie and they came down the escalator together here's them oh my god here's west leaving leaving the house i guess why i'm saying i'm sick of it is just it's just an uninteresting

13:05Ben Mandelker: couple i guess so and the updates are not are generally not amazing it is kind of like oh look they went to golden corral you know and but i kind of like i kind of like it's kind of low-key like here they are doing something mundane around the city what's going to happen now i don't know

13:24Ronnie Karam: i'm it's sort of like watching a storm tracker you know it's like but it's like a it's a storm where nothing really ever happens we're like okay here's the red coming the red is coming right out we're gonna be here all day and then they keep interrupting they're like well it's not raining yet but it could it could yeah it's gonna be so bad when it does suckers so bad when it does it's time for a commercial it's time for a crappin's commercial

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16:05Ben Mandelker: I think that Amanda and Wes are like this Artemis mission that just happened, where like the takeoff was amazing. And then they were just up there circling the moon, And you're like, we were excited because it's like, oh, wow, astronauts are going around the moon taking pictures. This is pretty cool. But nothing inherently that exciting is happening. They're just up there and they're sort of like just going around, going around and around. And then we get excited again when it comes in for landing, which is going to be the reunion. Like that's going to be whenever it returns to like Earth. And they're going to have to put on their fire guards and set up parachutes.

16:41Ben Mandelker: And we just have to hope that no one perishes in the process. so I think I think that's basically it like I think we already lived through their metaphor

16:50Ronnie Karam: some of these comments are pretty funny um we're not seeing them on our feed so I went on to YouTube to look at them I don't know what happened today technically I was in charge of it so maybe that's explaining it but um I'm reading some of these comments on YouTube and they're so funny it says um cheering for the Royals at a Yankees game tracks and Kitty says yeah not trying to defend West but he was rooting for Kansas City and not the Yankees so that's why no one else was standing up i have not followed still though he's like in a place where he's like a uh you know he's getting national attention and he's just like standing up and screaming for the wrong team

17:26Ben Mandelker: that does track you're correct kitty and does track it does it does really attract um i uh wait there was something i was going to say about this by the way so there's some ancillary things that are sort of coming out of this. One quick thing. He takes great photos. What'd you say?

17:47Ronnie Karam: He took great photos back in the day.

17:49Ben Mandelker: That's Larry Adams. One thing, over the weekend, I saw KJ, he tweeted out or put something on threads that was like, please stop cyberbullying my girlfriend. Why are people cyberbullying Dara? Who's doing this to Dara? Why is Dara catching heat in this? Do you know anything about this? I have no idea maybe because she lied in that about that Ben thing with Bailey when she was

18:15Ronnie Karam: like I never even went into his room I don't even know what you're talking about or whatever she said or like she wasn't she didn't say she wasn't in there but what'd she say I don't know something like oh they took my luggage in there maybe maybe the fans are just like you liar you know how fans

18:30Ben Mandelker: are Michael Horn in the comments goes this is Dara great callback great callback to ladies london big big springtime for daros on bravo someone uh so the other thing what okay this is two things two things kyle cook related the first was that he then after this yankee stadium thing happened kyle cook of course tweeted out he's like i wasn't prepared to see that or that uh which is which is fine uh that's often what i say when i watch summer house wasn't prepared to see

19:01Ronnie Karam: that yeah and it's usually with kyle whipping out his wiener to pee some to pee on something

19:07Ben Mandelker: yeah it's usually something about that but the other funny the thing can i say god bless the continued chaotic mess that is megan king admins because somehow in the midst of all this i think she like she emerges from chaos she's like a an evil she's like ganon in zelda when there's chaos again and arrives there's footage of kyle cook and megan king edmunds making out on the street over the weekend well it doesn't look like a make out it looks like just like a

19:41Ronnie Karam: simple kiss i can't tell you know he's shorter than her and he pulls her in for a little kiss it's like a little pack it's not a full make out but here's the thing so they were coming from a page six nine west party which nine west i love that megan king's like you know what i'm gonna go to a Nine West party and I'm going to wear Crocs of some kind. Not really sure.

20:01Ben Mandelker: Are they Crocs and socks? I just can't believe they'd invite Kyle to a party with West in the name.

20:09Ben Mandelker: That's true. That is probably something a German would say to him. Nine West.

20:13Ronnie Karam: Nine. So Kyle kisses Megan, but he has to kind of, you know, look up and aim. Kind of get up on his toes. And then they kiss. It's just like a little kiss. but you know her shoes my question is why didn't she get cuter shoes because I think she's in black crocs with socks I'm very confused about this whole thing black crocs with socks I love that song black crocs and socks but you know the comment that was I love that all the other comments are like fuck her you know fuck Amanda kill West or whatever but on Kyle's story all the comments are like oh my god Kyle's with somebody age appropriate it i know he okay someone check on kyle you know i'm looking at her shoes i'm like i don't know if

20:59Ben Mandelker: those are crocs they sort of are they birkenstocks maybe she's sort of dressed hipster-esque they almost look like doc martens from afar but then you see her heel come up and out of them someone from the comments will surely have um an insight into what like a black ankle socks yeah i just love that megan king edmunds like ping pongs around our pop culture like joe biden's nephew now kyle cook i mean it's a very exciting time for her casey does yoga says not all the comments

21:29Ronnie Karam: no all the comments were like i wouldn't even wish her on kyle

21:36Ben Mandelker: someone says she has a name dropper slash chaser you know you got to respect i mean she got she got the president to come to her wedding like that's well it's because she was marrying one

21:46Ronnie Karam: of his family members, right?

21:48Ben Mandelker: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. If you're going to chase Clout, I mean, that's pretty big. That's huge. But either way, I just love the fact that she's somehow tangentially now a side character in this mess. Yeah.

22:04Ronnie Karam: Well, you know, there she is. Megan King and Kyle. So I wish those kids all the luck. So let's see what else here is going on. Okay, so I loved this. The Real Housewives of Rhode Island. Rula's husband. So anybody who's watching Rhode Island, which I hope is all of you, because we've been given something and we should all appreciate it. So Rula's husband blatantly cheating on her on the show. You know, there's a lot of drama on the show because someone saw an Instagram picture that I think he posted where the, or she posted one of them posted where the Instagram, I mean, the mistress is sitting on his lap and they're like kissing.

22:39Ronnie Karam: And so she showed the friends. Then the big drama is, oh my God, now you're trying to get me fired for showing people the Instagram post and you're calling my work and trying to get me fired and this and that. So that episode aired last week. Then right after that, the mistress goes on Instagram and starts posing pictures of herself at Rula's house while Rula was filming a girl's trip. Wow. And she's like in a little miniskirt, like, and it's Rula's banister out, I think, by the pool. And you see the neighbor's house behind it, like very obviously her house trying to get caught on purpose. and basically like live off the fame.

23:17Ronnie Karam: You know, she was like, hey, I'm banging this melted hell boy. I deserve some money. Why not get some influencer, whatever? So she went out there and tried to do that. And then Brian sued her because Brian apparently gets an NDA with people. He's banging on the side. I mean, have you ever heard of a non-famous person doing that?

23:37Ben Mandelker: I've never heard of a non-famous person doing that. Although I did have like, I did meet someone once who like made someone sign like a little contract on a piece of paper before they had sex. But, um, I would never say it was just kind of like, you won't tell anyone. It was like an NDA, but it was like not official. It was like, please don't tell anyone.

23:55Ronnie Karam: I was served. I've, I've been served. I mean, I'm gay. So I've been served a damn before. I don't ask my name. Don't ask my name.

24:04Ben Mandelker: Okay. Yeah. That's very like gay sex, gay sex. My friend, my friend was 18 and the girl was 17. And so he was afraid of it being illegal. So he wants it. He basically wrote like a crude contract. Be like, you won't sue me. Wow. Yeah.

24:21Ronnie Karam: Some people are saying I've been to parties and have to sign NDAs. Yeah.

24:24Ben Mandelker: For parties, but like to fuck somebody that's crazy. To like, to have sex with like the number, you know, like a mid, like whatever number he is whatever podiatrist of Rhode Island you're going to sign up NDA

24:41Ronnie Karam: yeah listen one thing you're not going to talk about is me another thing you're not going to talk about feet alright you sign this

24:50Ben Mandelker: that is the funniest thing wait so when did she post this picture with the banister was this like over the weekend did you say

24:56Ronnie Karam: it was after Rhode Island air so yeah it was like during the week last week at some point and then he sued her right away that's crazy that's crazy I mean I can see asking people to sign NDAs like salt and straw you know or like McDonald's or you know places like just really let my addictions come out and I'm like give me all of it keep your mouth shut don't tell anybody this especially my old weight watchers lady Janelle she'll kill me

25:27Ben Mandelker: yeah that's that's wild this will definitely come up in the reunion for sure I mean and like you said the fact that he had an NDA was like a real commitment to the affair it's not just like oh it was a fling or oh god I was looking I wanted to stop but I didn't know how to stop and yada yada yada it was literally like this is planned out and it's meant to be kept secret and we're gonna have like two I'm gonna have two lives if I can

25:58Ronnie Karam: yeah so that guy's a pig oh gosh who else oh a big thing that happened well what do you want to talk about we got to

26:06Ben Mandelker: talk about the big thing you were just the big thing that you were just about to get to is like that's really what we got to get to because don't you want to talk about who died first because i didn't even let to get let you get to say it okay fine i was really shocked about this i was actually really sad and it actually appeared in my dream last night but like i was shocked to see and the very first person i thought of of course was denise richards i was very shocked to see that Patrick Muldoon passed away yesterday, yesterday morning from a heart attack. That was, I was shocked and I couldn't believe that.

26:36Ben Mandelker: The first thing I thought was Denise, but I really did think about that because she's had a really tough go of it recently. And to know that like one of her besties just passed away made me like really, I had like a parasocial heartbreak moment for her. And I was really sad about that. And, uh, he's also so young, so very sad for his family, but that was the, that was the RIP that, that I witnessed yesterday. I don't know if there was another one that you'd seen but that was that's just sweet babe so yeah that is so sad you know

27:03Ronnie Karam: and i already mourned him years ago because i watched days of our lives when i was really young i would skip school and go to my meet my city's house and play cards um because i wouldn't go to pe or lunch at school so i would walk to obviously didn't go to pe and went to my city's house my grandma and I would play cards, Bustra, for any Arabs out there, Bustra, with my grandma and my great aunts. And we would watch Another World and Days of Our Lives. And he was on Days of Our Lives. He played Lisa Rinna's brother, Austin. And when I tell you that man was fine, I've never seen a hotter man in my life.

27:42Ronnie Karam: And that's why I was so excited about Lisa Rinna on Beverly Hills and And Eileen on Beverly Hills because she was amazing on Days of Our Lives. She played quintuplets. Anyway, it's not about Eileen. And he was so hot. And then he was recast, like he left the show, and he was recast. And I'm sorry. I mourned. I, like, mourned. That was the first person I didn't know that I mourned, Austin.

28:06Ben Mandelker: Wow. Yeah. Well, it's really sad. So, RIP. RIP. RIP. But now we have to move on to more frivolous news, more funny news, more, some might say karmic news, which of course is that Lisa Hoxstein and Jody. Well, cause she, maybe if she sent us the photo that she kept in prison on her phone, she wouldn't have experienced prison herself. That's terrible. Whatever. It's not terrible. This is, this is actually like, like it was just a day and it's a night in jail for her, whatever. And they put a tracking device on Lenny's thing, but whatever, uh, Lisa and Jody went to jail for this tracking device on Lenny's car.

28:55Ben Mandelker: And, um, Jody went to jail first and I took a mugshot, which not looked not unlike the photo that they were all looking at on the last season of Miami. And then Lisa, Lisa had her mugshot. And I feel we all know that Lisa, the reason why Lisa was arrested after Jodi was that she spent two or three days working on her mugshot photo. Right. Which was sort of like a, it was like a sweet. So it's pretty good. Yeah. It was like a sweet duck. It was like, you know, I mean, she knew it was coming.

29:24Ronnie Karam: So I was hoping that she would like come in, in full housewives glam and like a crazy dress, you know, with her boobs out and, you know, really do it. Right. But I think maybe her lawyer was like, no, you should probably wear a sweater. You know, wear something that nobody even knows that you own. Something like a sweater, you know. So she just wore like a little humble sweater and, you know, came and did it that way. I'm going to share the screen so people can see her picture. Now, Jody, on the other hand, looks like he didn't know this was coming and he snorted, you know, Thunder Mountain or whatever before he went in there.

29:59Ronnie Karam: Jody looks crazy.

30:00Ben Mandelker: Oh, that's a different photo of Lisa that I'm seeing. that's actually so does she have two mug shots because the mug shot i've seen she's sort of looking like her face looks a little bit different uh this is the one that's on the i mean this is

30:12Ronnie Karam: from one of the best photographers in town it's um credit miami-dade county and miami-dade

30:17Ben Mandelker: corrections and rehabilitation or maybe you know what it is it is the photo it's just that when it was small it looked a little different so many layers to a lisa hoxine photo uh literal literal I mean, not Jody. Jody's kind of giving founding father out of the out of the powdered wig a little bit. Right.

30:34Ronnie Karam: He is giving the guy who murdered Garfield's because I just watched that miniseries.

30:41Ben Mandelker: He really is. He is. Yeah, they are. Yeah, they went. So basically arrested. But Lisa posted bail. She was out right away. And Alexia and Adriana went to the courthouse to support her. and then lisa came out of jail and they gave her the biggest hugs it was so funny because everyone everyone was like she didn't just serve 12 years in jail it was like three hours but they i think they just were so happy they're like thank you you gave us just what we needed to make sure this we come back please please bravo because by the way as everyone has been noting this is the biggest failure on bravo bravo's part the fact that cameras were not rolling this is the true karma That's what you get, Bravo.

31:25Ben Mandelker: You could have had your cameras rolling. You could have had the arrest. This could have happened during the season, as opposed to something that rolls at the top of the season. You already missed the Todd divorce, by the way, and now you missed this. This was a total 100 % failure on Bravo's part, because at the end of the day, the only thing that matters about this case is how it relates to Bravo. So shame on you, Bravo, for missing it.

31:48Ronnie Karam: Well, Alexia came and Adriana came, you know, because those housewives are showing up. They're like, hello, hello, hello. It was really like a, but you, Alexia, Alexia, Alexia News Network moment because she was there. She's like, well, you know, I'd like to say that, you know, this isn't Peter's fault because, you know, Peter had no idea what was going on. But yeah, they showed up and people aren't remembering. I didn't see a lot of remembrance of the storyline and I myself had to Google it because I remember them accusing her of doing something with a listening device or there was a listening device in her car on the housewives.

32:24Ronnie Karam: Do you remember? It was the thing when she was divorcing Lenny and she was like, oh, Lenny. And there was, well, she put a tracking device. And I remember that, but I didn't remember it very clearly. And I had to learn how to use search terms to find it in 2023. And I found it. And yeah, she was, the ladies on the show were like, yeah, she planted a fucking listening device in Lenny's car. So Lenny's been after her now for three years trying to get her for this listening device. And he finally did it. justice moves slowly it moves very very slowly very very slowly um almost as slowly as lisa driving her maids honda civic like how do i do this yeah now she could serve i think five years

33:07Ben Mandelker: for this which is crazy that would be wild also like lenny is crazy this is the mother of his children and he's pushing this like what the fuck is wrong with you okay this is so stupid it's petty and um like i just think i think it's so bad commercials here comes one right now

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35:48Ben Mandelker: Hannah's leaving.

35:49Ronnie Karam: Hannah's leaving. She's been here.

35:51Ben Mandelker: Celebrity cameo. Hi. Hi, honey. Everyone, look, it's Hannah from Below Deck. hello hello hi how are you how was your cruise sorry I'm just looking at my eyebrows I just

36:06Ronnie Karam: have my eyebrows done I do the whole time I'm still looking at the stigmata in the middle of my forehead like what the hell did that Botox lady do to me no I had the micro blade oh let me look they look nice yeah yeah they didn't give you the Brittany they're like I'll come down huge thing across your whole face yeah oh so you got a micro blade yeah they look nice how are you Ben I'm great thanks how are you doing you having fun time here in la yes yeah yeah it's been fun i went out last night with like um some of the valley people how was that i saw it on your story it looked like

36:42Ben Mandelker: you went to drag something or another and i saw jesse lally there yes lacy's so sweet i like her really yeah she's really nice um and then yeah jesse and i chatted having five-year-old girls

36:57Ronnie Karam: we raised them differently oh really this is live just you know oh that's okay no i know it's not surprising that a male american and a female australian would raise their kids differently i know this didn't want you to say something that you're like wait a minute honey that was live but i thought i was just chatting with ben we're just chatting we're just chatting with a few

37:18Ben Mandelker: hundred people watching um tell us tell us about your cruise uh in san diego on saturday were there any highlights for you yeah yeah yeah it was so much fun so much fun so ronnie's gonna come do another two with me um which is amazing because he's such a good host um so it's nice to like have somebody who semi knows what they're doing yes and then um yeah it was just fun the highest compliment the highest compliment coming from me i'm glad everyone behaved themselves and no one had to be thrown overboard or thrown in the brig yeah no that would have been me and it would have been ronnie or zach doing it to me because i made them drive there and back in a day so that i could get to drag brunch on time i feel like when i leave this house ronnie's gonna block me and i'm

38:09Ronnie Karam: never gonna hear from him again oh lucky you know the address that's true and the code i would just I won't block you till I move.

38:19Ben Mandelker: You guys did look like you had a very fun road trip. I mean, a road trip down to San Diego is like a classic SoCal kind of experience to have.

38:28Ronnie Karam: And also being with Sheenan brought, because they're like, oh my God, we lived in San Diego. And so like, we know this restaurant and that restaurant. And we're invested in that restaurant right there. And like, that's our club that we would go to. Yeah. Well, we weren't in the car with them. And honestly, that was enough. Well, we were on the boat. So everywhere we passed on the boat, they would be like, oh, yeah, we know that place. We go there. And then Brock was like, that's the American military. That's where they are. They do military. And then he would mansplain military things to us. I actually, my favorite guest the whole night was Summer Moon.

39:02Oh, really? Yeah, well, I feel like as well that it's very hard, like even if you have a kid, like a few years difference. but because my daughter is literally like six months older than her i'm like all over exactly what they're into so we were like writing menus together we went for a walk so she was really

39:23Ben Mandelker: cute i like her that's awesome now i have a question do you have any thoughts on any of the scandals happening on bravo right now we were just talking about like west and amanda Lisa Hoxstein being arrested. Have you been following any of that or no? Yeah. So I don't know why. I think I'm like burnt out from the Westin Amanda thing. I just don't really care that much. And like, yeah. Okay.

39:46Ronnie Karam: We'll do a speed round with you. Okay. You just give your opinion really fast. Okay. Lisa Hoxstein from Real Housewives of Miami being arrested for putting a listening device in Lenny's car. I love it. I love her. She's amazing. Do more. Do more.

40:00Ben Mandelker: Listen to everything.

40:01Ronnie Karam: Yeah. The real housewives of Rhode Island. The husband sicked a, he's suing the mistress for posting on Instagram. Yeah. Don't have a mistress if you don't want to get in trouble. It's very simple. Leave the mistress alone. She did nothing wrong. Kyle Cook making out with Megan King Edmonds. Maybe go home and try and get custody of your kids before sticking your tongue down a Bravo Liberty's throat.

40:29Ben Mandelker: Oh, snap, Hannah. slow honey eyes honey eyes

40:34Ronnie Karam: Drew Sedora loses custody to ex-Ralph Pittman ordered to leave home that's depressing because if you lose custody to him like that's really not a good sign I would go and work on yourself Kathy Hilton's injured houseguest demanding$55 ,000 per year because she fell at her house I guess you gotta try hey I'd be like Kathy Hilton sneezed on me please can I have a million dollars Okay, and the last one, because we actually have to talk about these later. The Valley star Brittany Cartwright reacts to ex-Jax Taylor taking their son to Hooters for his fifth birthday. Well, I think you can't, like, fight that.

41:14He found, like, didn't they meet at Hooters?

41:17Ben Mandelker: Yeah, that's Brittany's DNA. So you can't, like, if she fought that, then she'd be fighting the tits that fed her.

41:29Ben Mandelker: Don't fight the tits that fed her.

41:33Ronnie Karam: Bye, Hannah.

41:34Ben Mandelker: Bye, Ben. I'll see you when I'm in place of Hollywood. Bye.

41:39Ronnie Karam: Okay, bye. I'll talk to you soon.

41:42Ben Mandelker: So funny.

41:44Ronnie Karam: I love a drive-by, honey eyes. Yeah, she's just here to pick up her stuff and go on to the next place. Okay, so where were we here? Okay, so we're still on the Lisa Hochstein thing. So, Lenny...

41:57Ben Mandelker: By the way, the irony of Lisa Hochstein going to jail for listening when that's the only thing her cast members say she doesn't do. They're like, you don't listen. You don't talk about yourself.

42:07Ronnie Karam: Yeah, that's the thing. Maybe, and you know what, that's kind of how they got caught too, because they couldn't shut the fuck up. So they wrapped this listening device and they put it under the floorboard or something, and then it records, but it doesn't necessarily transmit it. It records it onto the thing in the device. And so they went through device and they're like, does it work? And she's like, testing, testing, testing, you know, whatever. they caught them talking into the device or she said something like secure the bag is secure or something like that so she actually did get in trouble she was trying to listen but she couldn't shut up and that's what ended up getting in trouble they are so stupid for doing that i mean

42:46Ben Mandelker: lenny is a pig and he's awful but what the fuck are you doing putting a listening device in especially with someone like that i mean i guess in her mind she would say i felt defenseless he was locking me down in all the places because you know he is vindictive and he probably did that thing where he like consulted with all the lawyers in miami so that way she had no lawyers whatever she probably did something like that so i i understand it's like if you're watching this in a movie you'd be like yeah this is how you get him you'll get the evidence or this if a soap opera nighttime soap you know if it's revenge it all makes sense but in real life you really can't do this and i can't believe that they did that they planted the listening device and that they talked into the listening device which they may have forgot was listening yeah i wonder how lenny

43:28Ronnie Karam: found it though that's another thing he said he just saw it in his car he said he just noticed it in his car after she borrowed it that's she came to she was like i need the car for the kids because remember this is when he was making her drive like the shitty little car or whatever like he was making her get rid of his cars and so she's like well if you want me to take the kids to here and here i need to borrow the car so and i just remember this from them talking about it on the show so she went to borrow his car put a listening device in there and then just left it there i guess thinking she'd ask him to borrow it again later and he had some conversations about plastic surgery a property you know stuff like that and then noticed it i mean god knows when an earlobe fell off i don't know and then noticed it and then has been trying to get her in jail ever since then it is literally like a tv show yeah and then there were that just got canceled it's crazy Yeah.

44:21Ronnie Karam: And then there's another story this week that he sold the house that he was supposedly building for her to live in with the kids this week. So.

44:30Ben Mandelker: Yikes. Which was still always crazy. I can't believe that that was part of their deal. Like, okay, you have to build a house for me.

44:41Ronnie Karam: These comments are so funny. Someone said, Miriam said, he bought the device on Amazon, LOL. And then someone said that that's a voice recorder you use when you're ghost hunting. It's like a big huge. Oh, no. I mean, I don't know. But yeah. Yikes, Lisa Smala.

45:04Ben Mandelker: Yeah, it's not good.

45:05Ronnie Karam: But that was closer to the divorce day, too. So I kind of forgive her. First of all, it's against Lenny. So I say anything you do against Lenny, I'm not going to get mad at you. Fuck that guy. Exactly. and it was closer to when she just got dumped and stuff like that so you do crazy things

45:20Ben Mandelker: when you're just getting dumped it takes a while to calm down for me i i wonder do we think that he's going to drop the charges now or is he or do you to be like okay i embarrassed her i made her go to jail we can move on i'm not gonna put the mother of my children in jail or i think or do you think that he's gonna say well because she was listening in on me and that's illegal um that that compromised all of our stances when making this a divorce agreement. So therefore everything is null and void because I was not able to, I was in an unfair position for negotiating. I mean, I don't know if that is a legal thing, but like I would not be surprised if he tries to pull something like that.

45:58Ben Mandelker: I feel like something, if he has a chance to undo anything and get back any money that he gave her, I think he will take it. That's why I think it's so stupid of her. That's why I think like, don't give him any excuse to be able to just to destroy you. And I guess she was probably feeling desperate. And like you said, if it's against Lenny, I will always support it. But. Dumb move. Still a dumb move. Yeah, I don't think he'll drop the charges.

46:21Ronnie Karam: I think he'd be more than happy for her to go to jail. He can just tell the kids forever. Your mom's a, you know, jailbird and, you know, a criminal. And that's why I don't give her anything. And he'll just move whatever, you know, bimbo he meets at his bimbo Halloween party in. Yeah. Be done with it.

46:40Ben Mandelker: do you think that what do you think about um lisa and jody like do you think that jody will be like okay now i've gone to jail for you this is this is donezo i guess they already were donezo but were they really donezo i don't know i think it's a big nobody knows but i'm sure we'll be hearing

46:59Ronnie Karam: more about that in the near future this real housewives of atlanta drew sidora losing custody to Ralph Pittman, ordered to leave home. We've talked about that a little over the past couple of weeks. This is crazy. This is so sad.

47:15Ronnie Karam: She says that she cannot afford to leave her marital home. And when asked how much she's making, she says she's making like 12 grand a month. I'm trying to find it in this article. I read it earlier.

47:26Ben Mandelker: Yeah, she said that it was somewhere that she said she's making about 12 grand a month, which is also wild.

47:32Ronnie Karam: well this also you know comes back to kind of the reality reckoning thing that bethany was doing because the only part of that i agreed with was um the pay for these reality stars is not great and then they don't get royalties or anything so they get paid one time and then it's used forever and ever and ever and you know maybe it took drew to make me see like if drew's only making 12 grand a month and she's been on the real housewives of atlanta for this long that's crazy yeah that's crazy because we know that their their um their whole uh payment thing is that the more you're on

48:11Ben Mandelker: bravo the more money you get so when you start off you don't actually earn that much but you're it's like an incentive program matrua has actually been on now for like five years she should be making more money but also she's in these movies i know these are low budget movies but she should she should still be pulling in more than 12 ,000 a month from them.

48:29Ronnie Karam: Honestly, you would think so. Um, okay. Do I want to allow downloads from a site that I'm reading? No, I don't know cider. No, I don't want to. And I don't want notifications from you either.

48:43Ben Mandelker: But you know what though? On, on the topic of this, on the topic of like how much money people pull in or something sort of adjacent to this, uh, it came out just, just before I forgot to put it in the, in the document and i'll put it the link in right now lisa renna she told she basically said that like if you want me to come back to the real housewives it needs to be for at least five million dollars which by the way is never going to happen i don't know i would never pay five million dollars no but she's like she basically was like yeah she she told she talked to the la times and she was like you know what i might do five million but harry wants more if harry's going to be in it it would have to be 10 million because i don't think that harry was very happy with the show so basically she's like i'm not coming back i also don't know that they would be so excited

49:34Ronnie Karam: to have her back i mean i know it's not the most exciting season but it started tanking when she was there she was part of the reason it started tanking it's like she was part of that team so i don't know how excited they'd be to have her back they did have her on um traders which of course is a trial ground to let you back on housewives i guess it's kind of proving to be that but um i don't know i don't think anybody would be flipping over to have lisa renna back you were part of the

50:00Ben Mandelker: problem lady yeah i mean the thing is this also is that beverly hills is still the highest rated of the housewives so they don't need to they don't need to spend five million dollars to help it out um so i mean i would love to have her back but i don't think bravo is going to spend five million especially when you got Drew Sedora claiming to be only getting$12 ,000 a month from, you know, we have to imagine the Bravo fees are in there. I don't understand though, because as we said today too, Drew does have a history of lying, but I guess I don't think she would lie to the courts.

50:32Ronnie Karam: Well, I think that Lisa Rinna, if she got 5 million for five years or something, that would make more sense. And maybe she'll settle for something like that. But I don't know when, during that thing this weekend, I asked Sheena, I was like, one of the things in your book which i was really offended by was how dare you come for my queen lisa vanderpump you know because i mean that would piss her off and she's like oh really because a lot of the things in my book lisa renna said too and i was like yeah but lisa renna i don't know is like the paragon of virtue that we want to pretend of course like you're gonna get of course you're gonna get lisa renna to shit talk lisa vanderpump too but that was the answer i was like how dare you like lisa arena bring being brought up in a court of law um something i would like to talk about that i

51:17Ben Mandelker: feel like we didn't talk it was not a court of law sorry go ahead something i like i don't think we talked about this on the show or if we did it was very brief and since we're sort of like coming towards the end of the um the podcast episode before we get to bringing people up here um this is not this is not like news and gossip but it's more just like casting news on the front of bravo which I always love talking about. Um, Bravo announced last week, the current cast for real housewives of Potomac. And I don't think we didn't discuss this. Did we, um, that basically the people who are coming back are Karen, Giselle, Ashley, Wendy, Stacy, and Tia, which means Kiana is out and angel is out.

51:59Ben Mandelker: And Robin is coming back as a friend of, so, uh, the thing that is, I guess I'm not surprised at all that that Kiana got fired I was a little surprised oddly enough that Angel got fired because I thought that maybe Angel might was such a foil not a foil but like she was such a punching bag for Giselle that like maybe they might keep her around just for that but I was surprised that Monique was not asked back as a friend of and I wonder why Bravo has been doing this it's been a few times now that they brought back an alum as a friend of and only kept them on for one season they did that with taylor armstrong they did that with um alexis bellino they did that with gretchen rossi monique you can make an argument that those three women on beverly hills had were not like they maybe they shouldn't have been kept around i personally think i think alexis bellino was was like she's awful but i think she was a good villain on the show and i think she should have had another season as a friend of and i was surprised that taylor armstrong didn't get another season because i thought she was perfectly fine And I'm really surprised that Monique, did I call her Monique Coleman?

53:07Ben Mandelker: I meant Monique Samuels. Sometimes I call her Monique Coleman because I don't know. But Monique Samuels, I'm surprised she did not get the callback. What did you think about this?

53:17Ronnie Karam: I think if you're going to come back on the show, and especially when you left under such explosive circumstances, you need to come back and add something. To come back and just be like, I'm nice now. That's not really fun. And they're like, I'm not going to pay you for this. You know, it needs to be more. and I get that she wanted to improve her reputation and stuff, but yeah, I don't think she brought enough. I mean, Alexis did, Gretchen tried, but Gretchen brought a bunch of mess that didn't even make sense and she was lying the whole time too. I think they're like dipping their toes, you know, into it.

53:47Ronnie Karam: Like, should we bring people back? Is that the answer? And the answer is like 90 % usually no, which is kind of my answer too. It's like if someone was let go because the show wasn't working, then that's why they were let go. if the show's still not working, you don't bring back the person that helped the show not work. It's never made sense to me. I think Real Housewives of Orange County does it in their own way, where they're like, let's bring one person for Tamara to beat up for a year. Or, you know, Shannon or whoever. And then so they cast these people. So on Orange County, it seems like they're giving Tamara something to play with, you know, which I approve of.

54:24Ronnie Karam: But yeah, Monique, I think, needed to bring a lot more if she wanted to keep.

54:28Ben Mandelker: I don't know. I think that Monique was... Robin back.

54:31Ronnie Karam: That's not somebody we need back.

54:33Ben Mandelker: So that's the thing. Like, why do we have Robin? And maybe Giselle made a demand, but I would have preferred Monique. I think Monique was really good as a friend of, I thought she came back. She was, I thought she was great. Even as being the nice one, she was great, but she still has some saltiness to her and it comes out and I really liked it a lot. And I feel like the audience really liked it. So like the audience was not happy with Alexis or Gretchen, obviously. So I get why they went, but this is a weird one. I think I'm really surprised that Bravo did not bring Monique back. I know what you're saying, that if you're going to come back, you've got to bring something.

55:04Ben Mandelker: And I also, by the way, think that largely it's a little dangerous when Bravo goes backwards. I think this is something that just TV networks in general, when they start doing stunt casting like that, it's bad because you're not cultivating new talent. But I thought Monique was really good. I thought there was a chance she might actually get a full-on champagne flute.

55:24Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I don't really think she did anything to earn it. But the only time she started, the only thing she really did that was controversial was say that Angel's husband should be treating her better. And then the other thing was the Chris stuff. Like, oh, my God, was this girl calling Chris or dating Chris or whatever? And then she kind of got upset about that in the reunion. And then, sorry, guys, I'm allergic to myself. And then immediately came out and said, no, what I heard was completely wrong. And I forgive.

55:54Ben Mandelker: um if anything the fact that she can't really or is unwilling to really talk extensively about chris that she clearly does not want to engage with that that's probably why they couldn't have her come back they're like okay we could do it for one season but if you're still not going to even as a friend of be able to talk about this whole thing in your life we're not going to work

56:14Ronnie Karam: with that yeah but i didn't i definitely didn't feel like oh god i hope monique doesn't come back Like, I enjoy Monique, so. And also, I give her the grace of, like, having that first year where not much happens. And then she would get messier once she knows everybody a little bit better. So, I don't know. But, you know, I'm not beat up about it either. Maybe they were just like, listen, we're not going to bring back two people who didn't add anything at the same time. Like, we can't have boring-ass Robin slogging along and have Monique not bringing anything.

56:43Ben Mandelker: But by the way, I also want to say, in Robin's defense, I used to really love Robin. and then she fell into this really boring rut. And I want to say in defense of Robin that when she was on the traders, I thought she was actually pretty good. She didn't last long. She was only on for like three or four weeks, but in those three or four weeks, she kind of was central in the show. She was making big accusations. She was speaking at that round table. I kind of liked Robin on the traders. And so I think my heart is a little bit more open to Robin than I would have expected it to be.

57:18Ronnie Karam: Yeah, well, who knows? Not me, that's for sure. I guess we're going to find out when that show comes back. But now we are going to transition into the viewer talkback section of this. So if you're watching on video and you want to come on camera, now's your time. If you're not watching on video and you're audio only, this is the end. And we'll talk to you next time. Thanks for being here. We'll see you in a couple weeks. Bye.

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