#3327 Summer House S10E12 Part One: West Sigh Story

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1:01Ben Mandelker: Watch what crap is. Watch what crap is. Who cares what happens when there's so much crap? Watch what crap is. Watch what crap is. Who cares what happens when there's so much crap? Oh, well, hello, and welcome to Watch What Crap Is, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker. joining me today is the very sweet and humble ronnie carham hi ronnie how are you hello how are you can we just be best friends again um we are here to talk about the most talked about show on q2 on bravo summer house it's a big the season we're at episode 12 it is we are slowly marching towards the carl and kyle fight whenever that may happen um before we get into that um you know the west and sierra stuff continues to burn up headlines uh you should really join us on crappy hour because we've been talking about it every time we do and we just did a crappy hour a few days ago so keep an eye and an ear out for that episode which may already be out on our feed um i never know i never know what time or what anything is but um i know you guys are all going to want to chime in about it so the next crappy hour is in a week and a half from today 10 days from today so that'll be uh not this monday but the following monday and every monday we do amazon live which is great um so join us for that every monday at 1 30 on the west coast and of course we have our patreon beautiful shiny new newsletter out on there we have ad free listening there we have crappens on demand at patreon.com slash watcher crappens and a personal plug for me a personal shilling.

2:50Ben Mandelker: It's been a very exciting year, honestly. You know, we were lucky enough to win a big award down at South by Southwest, the iHeart Award for Best of TV and Film Podcast. Now, I also moonlight over on the Game Brain Podcast, which is a board game podcast, and we've been nominated for Best Podcast of the Year over in the world of board gaming, Golden Geek Award for the Board Game Geek Award. So if you want to patronize my nerdiness, because I do have a whole nerdy side. I host this podcast, Game Brain, and I also have a YouTube show called Table Scraps. I'm a disaster. I'm a total nerd disaster over there on the internet.

3:30Ben Mandelker: But if you would like to vote for Game Brain as best board game podcast of the year over at boardgamegeek.com, I would love it. But obviously no obligation, but I'm like, Yes, there is an obligation. go do it right now honestly like i just had this fantasy of like wow if we win this like award for crappens and then game brain can win too like that will be the coolest thing ever to have two big awards in the same calendar year so this is like my egot this is the closest i'm getting to an egot so yeah and then when you come to work and then when you come to work you'll have won more awards than the other people at work because it's just hey ronnie how's your golden geek award oh Oh, I forgot.

4:17Ben Mandelker: Sorry. Hey, Ronnie. Sorry, Gail.

4:20Ronnie Karam: Some of us are having a one-award year over here. Awkward. He won't let me sit with you at lunch. We're like, sorry.

4:28Ben Mandelker: So, Ronnie, how's your board game podcast going? Oh. Oh, sorry. I didn't realize you're not on one. Yeah. Well, that's super exciting.

4:37Ronnie Karam: Congratulations. Thank you. Yeah, go get that award.

4:40Ben Mandelker: Just a little hobby podcast. it's a hobby podcast but it's cool that it's it's nominous that's boardgamegeek.com and i think aren't all you may hobby podcasts that's true that's true but i'm always sort of like bashful about talking about it i don't know why like i'm always like i'm always happy to talk about my food shit with my newsletter but i don't board gaming is so nerdy and i'm proud of it i love doing it i love it i'm like obsessed but there's something about it like telling encouraging people to go to like my youtube channel and watch me sit there on a on a chair and like holding up a board game and be like and i love this mechanic what i loved is that i was like the deck building in this was really strong and i love the player interaction i don't know why i just get really

5:23Ronnie Karam: sheepish about it really i could i would never know that's for sure and you shouldn't be anyway because listen there's nothing nerdier than sitting around talking for hours at a time about housewives and we were nerds i know so be nerds on that and even if you're not into board games go listen to it so you can listen to people that maybe you want to beat up later you know yeah

5:43Ben Mandelker: it's basically me with a bunch of straight bros which is hilarious yeah they're all sweethearts

5:47Ronnie Karam: everybody on that show like everybody's really a good personality all the guys on that show are great yeah i love all those guys so yeah go check it out and go vote for bannoons get that thank you get that award baby go get it speaking of straight don't show your face here again you go out and you win that award you win this for us yeah yeah we'll be part of the loser just

6:13Ben Mandelker: yeah yeah go get that the number of times i've dragged i've dragged ronnie into a board game shop is hilarious that's my favorite thing to do when we're on tour is bringing ronnie to a board game shop oh that's the best well it's not often where i get to go somewhere and feel like the classiest like dressed you know like like i'm an old i'm an old navy gay so i don't ever get to

6:35Ronnie Karam: feel like classy when i walk in somewhere but i walk in i'm like what am i what am i going to the

6:39Ben Mandelker: oscars like yeah i will say that fashion is not a strong point in the board game hobby that's for

6:47Ronnie Karam: sure nor in my life you know so that's why i love it no um but in all seriousness i'm teasing you But it's great. You've worked on that for many years. So go get that. Thank you. Get that money, baby. Because it's like a huge cash price. So here we go. Summer House Season 10, Episode 12. The boys of summer. The boys of summer. Sunday night and acting wild. I was in this musical when I was a teenager called Diamonds. And it was a musical about baseball. and there were just different songs about people affected like how they were affected by baseball and there was this girl who was basically like i guess like a loose girl who just slept with all the baseball it's like she was determined to get a baseball player and she's like yeah like always chasing baseball guys but she would always get her feelings hurt at the end of the day and she just sat on a bar stool and she's saying the boys of summer and because it was like all sad about her being used like trash by baseball boys so i like that this is called that because i can imagine that girl singing at the end about west like they're yeah the lyrics were probably something like they smell and they don't groom but they're the boys of summer

8:00Ben Mandelker: i was in a musical called um i have a don henley cassette tape and it was actually about me having a don henley cassette tape and singing along to it singing i can see you your brown sky skin sitting shining in the sun you got your hair combed back and your sunglasses on you know classic boys of summer that's my reference point in a new york minute which is also actually appropriate for this show that's a different don hundley song by the way for you young people for all the kjs in the world all the all our gen z listeners what we lost

8:38Ronnie Karam: some minutes ago um okay so we're in mia's room with sierra me and amanda sierra's crying which still makes me crazy i'm watching sierra cry over this fucking loser but we get it like another three more times this episode so you know what i'm just gonna buckle in and i'm gonna take it because it's not all about me and my feelings um and amanda's sitting there and she's like but you're seen i see you i see you yeah you also see that that guy she's crying over that you're

9:06Ben Mandelker: about to go bang and not tell her about it amanda yeah yeah this is a cringy moment amanda saying i see you and then sierra feeling seen and then sort of crumples over and is like crying in amanda's lap and you're like oh the betrayal that's on the horizon it's it is hard to watch and amanda's like you're so loved you're so important and you deserve so much more respect than what you get You truly do. I'm like, oh, this is not aging well, Amanda.

9:39Ronnie Karam: I'm not going to be the one to give it to you, but you do deserve it. So good luck with finding respect. Maybe you can get it on Postmates. I don't know. So West is asleep in his bed. I don't know why we had to see that, but we did. And then we go back to the girls and they're like, I'm sorry, Sierra. I hope you feel better. It's like, it's okay. I've got to get in the shower. And I just thought, God, I wish West was the same way when he got sad. I wish Wes was like, you know what? I'm sad. I'm going to take a shower. Like, I'm sad. I'm going to get a haircut that makes sense.

10:10Ben Mandelker: Yeah. That it's more like, I'm sad. I'm going to wear an oversized shirt that makes me look like a little kid. I want to look like the boy at the end of Big after he turns back into a boy. You know, I'll just be wearing an adult suit and my little hands are going to poke out at the end. My tiny hands. That's his instinct. Little hands.

10:29Ronnie Karam: Um, so, uh, she goes to take a shower and then, um, Amanda twerks for me on the bed. So then we go to Ben's room and Sabrina's kissing him and they're going to go out. And he's like, if you're going to go out, you better put some clothes on then. And then Jesse spends a lot of time in this episode.

10:49Ben Mandelker: By the way, he's Ben spends a lot of time this episode ordering Sabrina around, not like in a mean way, but he definitely, he definitely is like, well, you got to get cleaned. you got to do this you got to put your shirt on enough chit chat you got to get to this i'm like he just seems this is like i'm just picking up on a pattern with ben that he just talks to women

11:10Ronnie Karam: like they're children like the real ben yeah um yeah i didn't that didn't that didn't that didn't register with me there was one point later where he said something like uh oh so wait a minute you had a nightmare that someone in the summer house was giving me a handjob? And I was like, okay, she's crazy. This lady's just nuts. I don't care what anybody says. She doesn't seem mean. Like, I don't hate her or anything, but she seems psycho. I wouldn't be messy. Like, she seems thirsty and cray-cray. I wouldn't. You had a nightmare and, like, someone give you a handjob. Sabrina, stop. Okay?

11:45Ben Mandelker: She is thirsty and cray-cray. And partners are allowed to tell their partners, okay, it's time to get ready. Like, you're allowed to do that. But there's something in the way he says it, I'm telling you, I've got an eye on him. I'm telling you, something is not right. I don't like it.

12:03Ronnie Karam: So then we go to Dara, whose upper lip is sweating. And she's like, I don't deserve this.

12:11Ben Mandelker: Fully sweat.

12:13Ronnie Karam: Bailey goes to Jesse and Wes's room, and she's in this little dress. And she's like, do I look like a stripper? And Wes says, well, a hot stripper, Elise. She's like, but a stripper. Okay, thanks. Not changing. Is my dress flirting?

12:28Ben Mandelker: God, my dress is flirting better than I can. Hey, Sabrina Bale, Sabrina Bale, please do me a favor and get ready. God forbid we ever fucking have children and we're trying to get them to school. She's like, ah. And then Sierra is now putting on like this deep v-neck dress. They're all just getting ready. I mean, there's nothing more to it. They're getting ready. There is an issue. Apparently, there's like only like one full length mirror in the house. They all have to go into a certain room to do it. So that is something that we learned. I mean, there's a lot of layers to this show, honestly. And we peel away another one every single week.

13:01Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So then we go to Common Ground. And Common Ground. And everyone's dancing to Kyle DJing. And then it's over. We're all back. So it's another episode where we watch them get ready for 10 minutes. And then they immediately come back, which is our favorite thing. Oh, my God. Are you going out? I'm going out. What are you wearing? What are you wearing? Oh, my God. Do I look good? You look good. Yeah. Oh, my God. Let's go out. Let's go out. Are you too nervous? I don't know. if I want to go out. I'm tired. Do you want to go out? Sabrina's not even ready yet. Okay, let's go out. Let's go. Let's call Newburgh.

13:28Ronnie Karam: Where's Uber? It's over. We're home. That was it. It was so fun.

13:33Ben Mandelker: We're back. It was so good. Comic Grounds is so great.

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15:40So they're back.

15:40Ben Mandelker: They all go to the different rooms, etc. Ben and Sabrina are like on their bed, but it's like creaky. and he's like, could this bed be any more shit? She's like, yeah, I mean, we really can't have sex. Although maybe we should because it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if everyone heard us having sex and then we'd have a storyline, right? Because then tomorrow we could go downstairs and have breakfast and then Sierra could be like, I heard you guys having sex last night. And I'd be like, we did. It'd be hilarious. She's my best friend.

16:04Ronnie Karam: So some other people are in the kitchen and Kyle's doing his drunken scarfing down food, which is my favorite thing Kyle does, I think, when he gets wasted and just pigs out at the end of the night. Very reliable. yes and Bailey's like wow this is like two animals eating this should be on the Discovery Channel and Jesse's like National Geographic yeah no

16:29Ben Mandelker: like CNN what are you talking about Jesse has yet another new song that his latest thing from like yesterday or two days ago is him sitting on like a rooftop of an apartment building singing the song another like mid-tempo song that feels like it could be played at like in like a long island nail salon just like i'm just trying to do the things i like i'm like oh my god please stop it because i just came out with a song on

16:58Ronnie Karam: a rooftop and it's called push him all i want to do is push him i recorded it standing right before right behind jesse on the rooftop oh that is so convenient oh oh this energy

17:13Ben Mandelker: here you know what should we hear should we hear just like a little snippet of the uh let me try to bring up the snippet okay um let me see um i'm gonna bring it up on on chrome you know i'll even share the screen why not let's make it a full like a full multi-idea affair so if you're watching you can uh you can watch along with with us and hear this beautiful music of jesse solomon singing the hits for his brand new song um actually i'm not going to bring it up on the screen that's going to take too long but i'm going to it's the same for you

17:55Ben Mandelker: when i give my last name for you

18:01Ben Mandelker: and i know we could lose everything for nothing all at once okay okay that's when i'd give my

18:11Ronnie Karam: last name for you what is he like signing up for something at the dmv what's he talking about

18:15Ben Mandelker: give my last name is he putting his is he is he signing up for a wait list at a restaurant i give my last name for you i mean it sounds like stuff on the radio like super positive ai probably ai written stuff this one was actually better than i think his initial one of it's just all this kind of like toothless slow music and i love a lot of toothless slow music but this is there's just something about this that i don't know just as just so sad so sad for me i don't know and it's part of a larger yeah if like all of his music was like not like this and then this was his ballad kind of vibe it's like his tribute to the fray i'd be like okay but like all his music sounds like this which makes this just another sad john mayer-esque play well as

19:10Ronnie Karam: people that we as people that have listened to every bravo song that's ever come out i will say he can sing and his song sounds like a normal like radio song so good for him you know i say live your dreams just do it over there you know what i mean i like don't put it on my spotify like just avoid my algorithm if you can which probably he will i would imagine although megan still shows her ass on there every once in a while so that's the thing it's like i mean he

19:41Ben Mandelker: He sings nicely. I don't think he sounds great. I think he sounds a little flat sometimes. And I don't know. It's just like a very sad music.

19:50Ronnie Karam: You know, like we lower our judgment for everybody else. We just don't do it for Jesse because he's not like a fun housewife. Like Luanne's made a great career of not being able to sing, you know, because she's fun. So I need more of that. Like if you're not going to be a great singer, that's okay. But like I need to know that maybe you'll, you know, I don't know, wear a fun dress. Or like if you're Sonya, Sonya doesn't have any talent. But, you know, Sonya is going to go up there and show everyone her vagina and be wasted and like fall over drunk and probably be dragged off the stage. I mean, there's like some kind of risk that needs to be happening.

20:21Yeah.

20:22Ben Mandelker: Like I would rather have some missed notes, but a song full of personality and and make that makes you feel something as opposed to some clean notes and songs that are just lifeless. Like, could you imagine going to his concert? could you imagine standing there swaying swing no but i can't imagine waxing my butthole and

20:43Ronnie Karam: people do it you know what i mean so it's just something i choose not to think about so thanks for bringing that into my life ben but you know whatever go let me know you go just do it over there yeah i do have to listen to the song now because i want to know what give my last name for you like is he going to a restaurant and like putting his name down to get the table i'll give my last man i think two for dinner two for dinner we don't want to sit at the

21:10Ben Mandelker: bar and you know i think also part of it is again i am also watching the visuals and i i said i was going to share the visuals and i didn't and and what the visuals are that he is like sitting on a uh he's sitting on a rooftop in like a sweater thing and then he's just i think if you see the visuals it just makes you also just dislike it a little bit more i think if you just hear it you're like okay i can imagine being in like a in a waiting room you know about at the at the you know chiroprodist and uh the song's playing and i forgot it's it's the sort of uh it's a it's a medical professional who would play this sort of music in the waiting room i believe but what do they do that medical professional a shiroprodist um a shiroprodist they basically they're like i they're like um i feel like they do like foot stuff oh but only for people named shira

22:13Ben Mandelker: and let's be honest people named shira are jesse's target demographic for his music okay a chiropodist is a foot health specialist, equivalent to a podiatrist in many regions, focused on assessing, diagnosing, and treating lower limb conditions, including routine nails, skin care, corns, calluses, and ingrown toenails.

22:31Ronnie Karam: Wow, that's a deep cut, man. Like you'd hear that at the chiropodist's office. I can imagine hearing this song while I'm getting my corns assessed. Eddie Lieshold.

22:46Ben Mandelker: I mean, he is corny.

22:48Ronnie Karam: I'll give my last name for you So Dara and KJ Are going back upstairs and Dara's like Oh my god you could be drunk and you will never Not brush your teeth that's right that was snark That is bully Dara Suck it

23:02Ben Mandelker: Yeah make him feel bad about his excessive Toothbrushing habits Then he'll love me So then yeah downstairs Kyle kisses the Amanda cut out which is great That's actually a great metaphor because there that that's really all that's left in this relationship is just like a thin thin paper facade of two personalities but there's nothing there's nothing there there's nothing left anymore and you just throw some water on it it'll be destroyed

23:34Ronnie Karam: yeah so he crawls into bed all drunk and he's like thank you for coming tonight of course kyle I love you Cricket Cricket I love you too Kyle Now it's the next morning

23:50Ben Mandelker: The next season of Love Story on FX Yeah seriously Now it's the next morning Mia wakes up and She is like Sort of cradling her head in her hands And she's saying that she's been dreaming About her parents a lot more And it's been really hard because her mom died suddenly and just the last episode she had another dream about her mom and she said that like you know she's like you know what the last thing that my mom would want me to be doing would be just she would be sitting here crying about this like she wants me to live she wants me to have fun she wants me to experience life she doesn't want me just to cry on tv like that's not my vibe Amanda's like it isn't we're not supposed to be doing that oh so Carl goes down to the kitchen

24:35Ronnie Karam: He's like, oh, good morning. How are you, Bailey? I'll have breakfast coming. I'm cleaning the kitchen. That's what I do. I just think that, you know, I'm going to get the countertops cleaned off and wiped down. It's more or less what I'm hoping for. That's what I'm doing this morning. Wow, Carl. People say I don't have a storyline. I don't think they're really paying attention to my girlfriend. The countertops. Okay. I'm going to get these done.

24:57Ben Mandelker: I love Carl saying that he has planned us to wipe down the countertops. That's more or less what he's hoping for. You never know. It's a high-risk operation because sometimes you pull the paper towel and you spritz the countertop and then just can't take that next step. So we're just going to hope for the best today.

25:14Ronnie Karam: I really need to make these countertops feel good. Give my last name for you. Yeah.

25:21Ben Mandelker: Good song.

25:22Ronnie Karam: They're clean. Good song. I wrote Radke and Method spray on the counter. KJ and Derek are getting ready, and we come back to Carl, and he's swinging a towel around the kitchen. He's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, this fly has to go. This fly has to go. I'm going to get this fly. I'm actually a really good fly killer.

25:41Ben Mandelker: Yeah, this is Carl channeling all his frustration with everything in life on this fly. He's like, I'm not soft. I'm hard. I can go after this fly. I can do this. I can do this. Bailey's like, wow, wow. I mean, that's a big fly. He looks like he can join us for breakfast. I'm like a really good fly killer. Are you did you even hear my joke that I made about the fly? I can't concentrate on this right now belly Everything depends on me. I like this fly right now. I could do this I could do this harder harder harder put your weight on me fly put your weight on me fly. Oh my god I love the fly. I love the fly.

26:14Oh

26:14Ronnie Karam: I'm having a conundrum because what if I kill the fly and it falls on the countertop. I've just cleaned that countertop It's really not what I'm hoping for

26:23Ben Mandelker: Do you guys think the fly can hug? Do you think it can hug me on? wait a second guys does that fly have 10 lines oh that fly just gave me a boner

26:34Ronnie Karam: oh really wow killing flies that's a great quality in a man wow so then we go to jesse and wes uh room and jesse's singing another day another breakfast i just want to be me a breakfast i know something i'm working on and he does he hugs uh west in bed

26:55Ben Mandelker: and he's like it's gonna be okay which i i did think was sweet i do think that the affection that they show each other is very sweet even though they do have a weird um they do have a competition and a rivalry and they do undermine each other they do show a lot of affection for each other too which i think despite west them both being two huge douchebags i do find their male affection to be sweet so downstairs like i can we talk about the fly instead

27:31Ronnie Karam: i respect your opinion and i'm just gonna let that let that lie i have to respect listen i'm

27:35Ben Mandelker: just i'm just vocalizing verbalizing everything i feel at any moment that i'm when i watch the show and like i well that's what you generally dislike these two people just yeah yeah and in In this moment, though, I do think it's sweet.

27:49Ronnie Karam: But I don't want to ruin it for you. I just don't really buy it with them. I think that they're faking it. They're like, oh, yeah, we're like bros on TV, but they're really constantly working behind each other's backs. And Jesse's really only happy because he was the one getting shit during the first half of the season for being a douchebag. And West was the one causing it by being like, oh, my God, can you believe that Jesse's flirting with Sierra? It really hurts my feelings. So he was making Jesse look like a villain. And now West is looking like a villain. So Jesse's just happy. So he's like, oh, it's going to be okay.

28:19Ronnie Karam: So yeah, I don't really buy it. I enjoy it for that reason, though, that he's being passive-aggressive. Like, ha-ha, sucker, who's the villain now, bitch?

28:28Ben Mandelker: I don't think they have to be mutually exclusive concepts. I think everything you say is 100 % accurate. And I think that, yes, there is that element. But I also think, for me, I guess what I'm saying is, I think it's, I always, I'm always delighted when I see straight men actually not being afraid to be like affectionate with each other. And so that's what I, that's what I was. Straight men aren't though.

28:52Ronnie Karam: I mean, that's like a huge, that's a huge misconception with straight guys. And I think that gay guys often think straight guys are gay because straight guys are so affectionate, especially with other guys. They're like, I think that if straight guys could be as affectionate with women as they are with other guys, there would be no relationship troubles. guys love each other it's where straight guys love each other i wish gay guys could love each other that much yeah straight guys really have it i mean they just love each other they'll cry over a fucking football game and hug each other probably give each other hand jobs i don't know i don't stay long enough for to see the end of the game but like they really go crazy for each other like i love you man i love you i love you there was a touchdown you know but like that's

29:35Ben Mandelker: one of the things i like about love island is that you just but you see the true extent of how affectionate they are with each other i mean they like kiss each other on the cheek and everything and they like they really they they do love each other so much and so uh i i think that like it's just fun when i i feel like it's fun to see it see it in action you know uh even if and and what makes it even better is knowing that there's simmering rivalry beneath it that's like that's great i love that rivalry if you will commercials here comes one right now

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32:29Ronnie Karam: okay got it that's what you get we're not investing in soft butterfly am i on the city yet

32:35Ben Mandelker: am i on the city yet because i just get a pretty good storyline do we talk about this uh on the podcast or a crappy hour that like the if we did i'll just say it very quickly like a theory is one of the reasons why kyle has some tension with kyle is also that carl is not cast on the city i think we did talk about this right that this was happening all all around like the uh the casting was sort of all announced or figured out around this time when the show was filming when summer house was filming did we talk about this or was this something like i talked about with like one of our other family yeah we talked about it well then yeah i'd like to read this like to

33:15Ronnie Karam: remind people of yeah i mean this you know to add insult to injury danielle's on the city you know what I mean and not Carl although Danielle adds more I think like she's willing to come in and fight with Lindsay and stuff although Carl is too kind of but Carl uses his mom as a human shield

33:32Ben Mandelker: you know we haven't seen this I think she'll be good on the city because she doesn't have to take the LIRR you know so she can be her true self we don't have to watch her train yeah

33:47Ronnie Karam: so KJ is talking to Dara about yesterday Did you have fun? She's like yeah it was like the best party Like the girls have been great like they were like oh my god Shout out to KJ and Dara for like forming a relationship and not making it everyone else's Problem. Imagine that. He's like yeah because we're not like That we're like not trying to just like make people feel uncomfortable We're just like doing our thing

34:11Ben Mandelker: Yeah it's a great way to get fired from Bravo by the way So enjoy your life in obscurity actually i don't think they'll be fired i think everyone seems to really adore kj both i think people in the audience and also people on the show so i think it's the rare case where someone just by being nice and sweet is gonna get invited back to the show doesn't happen a lot on bravo

34:36Ronnie Karam: yeah like he's also coming for west pretty hard online which is fun yes so yeah he's he's really staying on the audience's good side um so then we go to west and west is still trying to get up he's like i'm toast johnson don't know what that means i don't know what that means but

34:56Ben Mandelker: i'm throwing it out is this toast johnson okay i'm gonna throw it out um kj is like oh i wasn't searching for anything dara and like all of a sudden you like popped up into my life yeah so uh uh kj why are you did you bring the refrigerator up to our bedroom and why are you sticking yourself in it i just get nervous sometimes so uh so then he says i've never liked a girl this much so this is like different and like i'm someone who needs to like protect himself because i've been like hurt very bad in the past every episode every episode every episode has been kj talking

35:33Ronnie Karam: about like and i think you know i think on this show the producers do it more than even on other shows where they're like okay this is your thing like they do it with bailey your thing is you just want to flirt and you have to say it 10 times an episode so she's like well i just want to flirt and kj's thing is like you're really hurt because you're a lover boy so every single time he's like well like it's really hard for me because i'm just a lover boy and i put my heart into everything we We are on episode 12. You've said this in every episode. It's not that I don't believe you or that I don't feel for you.

36:10Ronnie Karam: But move it along. Although this time he did move it along because I didn't even see him in the scene because he's wearing camo. And he's wearing like that desert storm camo. It's like that brown camo. And then he's wearing like a head thing, like a scarf or something that's all camo and then a grill. So all I really see is the grill. So I'm like, okay. Well, I get more. It's like invisible. Find KJ. Where's KJ? Find him in this scene. He's like, I'm just a lover boy. But then when someone comes along and you have to put your walls down, because if you put your walls up, then you ruin it. So I don't want to do that with Dara.

36:53Ronnie Karam: Walls down.

36:56Ben Mandelker: um and then in the kitchen uh carl has put out all these bagels and like a lot of food and bailey's like oh my god this bagel is so good hey carl have you noticed that i've been here for about 25 minutes and i've been trying to engage you in conversation and you still won't talk back to me you've just been focused on a fly and now putting bagels in a line but i'm here if you want to flirt

37:16Ronnie Karam: back with me there's no chemistry coming from either one of these people and it's so funny that she just keeps trying and she does it in that bored way like all right i'm gonna try with carl again wow you're great at flies wow this bagel is so good so then sabrina's there too and she's like oh my god carl you're gonna be like such a good father and a good husband i mean not to anyone here none of us any girl would be lucky to have you i mean no girl who's been on this show in the past three years wants you but still we support you we support you finding someone Just not one of us.

37:47Ben Mandelker: Please. Oh, thanks. I really hope so. I just wish there was a girl I could ask out that was in this house. I'm literally right here, Carl. I've been trying to make conversation with you. Oh, yeah. Sorry, sorry, sorry. You know, I take pride in, like, taking care of my family. Oh, that's, like, my thing. Oh, my God. That just, like, makes my heart fuller. Oh, did someone say something? Anyway, here are bagels. Bagels, everyone. Bagels. Ironically, I'm talking about making my family fuller. Well, your heart being fuller. Well, I'm going to serve you something with a hole in it. Oh, I'm tortured.

38:17so then um dara is like checking in on sierra she's like how's the rest of the night and she's

38:23Ben Mandelker: sierra saying that she just went home like came to bed early whatever and dara says that west got obliterated at the club last night and she's like he actually couldn't stop he couldn't talk about anything else like you were the only thing on his mind and she's like oh i don't know she's like i just i think my true self just wants to dive head first into the pool and say let's be friends again. Let's just like pick up where we left off. Let's giggle until 2 a.m. and be like, whoa, whoa, whoa. But I'm just like scared because I know how much I put myself out there beforehand. I just don't want to feel I've been bamboozled again, you know?

38:57Ben Mandelker: I'm like, don't you worry. It will happen very soon and then you can move on with your life. You don't have to worry about it possibly happening because it's going to happen and you won't have to wait five years for it to happen. It'll just be just...

39:11Ronnie Karam: I mean, first of all, I just started booing the TV when she was like, Her reaction is like, I just want to be friends again. I thought, oh, my God, how did we get here? You were just crying. This is the problem. I just want to be friends again. But I think that if they're going to do this, they need to have the conversation like, OK, we're going to be friends, but we're just going to be friends. And we both have to move on and be OK with each other moving on. And if I make out with someone in public, it's not going to affect you. Or maybe like if I go out of my way to try and affect you by making out with someone right in front of your face, we have to know that it's not going to affect you because I'm still going to be trying to manipulate you on the side or whatever it is.

39:54Ronnie Karam: Because the conversation is like, okay, well, we're best friends again. But then there's not really like a boundary set. Like what is going to hurt your feelings and what is not going to hurt your feelings? And there's a lot more. I think it's just that like happening in that conversation.

40:13Ben Mandelker: Yeah. They needed to just be like, okay, we really have fun as being as friends. We have a good banter. We connect with each other really well. And we just have to take the romantic thing out of it. Like, I'm not going to try to get back with you. You're not going to try to get back with me. And that's okay. We're going to go pursue other people, sometimes right in front of each other's faces. And we have to know that when we do it, it's nothing personal towards the other person. And I want to support, I want to be your cheerleader when you find a guy. And I want you to be my cheerleader when you find a girl.

40:40Ben Mandelker: and we're going to build from there and i think that's actually would be great and honestly like i really do get sierra when she's like i just want to dive back into being friends because it really is exhausting when you when you really have resentment towards someone like i have a friend who is like the fakest person i know like he is so he's like crazy fake out of control fake and i used to get so mad because he would like for eight years literally he would never never showed up to a birthday he was like oh he would never show up to a birthday never show up to anything invite him to invite like he once asked for tickets for the crappies i gave him tickets didn't even show up to that like literally just the fake i'm like fuck this guy like what if i'm getting rid of fake people in my life oh my god so fake so fake so fake and you whip yourself into a frenzy and then you know one time recently we had like a group dinner and it was like really fun and he was really fun and i was like you know what i'm tired of just like resenting this fake ass person i just know that they're fake and it's okay like i know that they're fake and i can just it's more fun to have fun with someone i'm just gonna have fun with this person i will have zero expectations of them and i'll just have fun and it's like so much better and i'm like i know he's a fake ass and it's fine i don't invite him to shit and i don't go to his shit anymore but when i see him i have fun and i kind of feel like sierra's at that place which is like you know what

41:59Ronnie Karam: well this is different because they they could just be friends but the thing is is that he they keep doing this like flirting and at the end of the night staring at each other from each other's doors and like is are they or aren't they so it's not like they're just being friends they're you know it's like friends with more that could lead to more but is it more and is it not more so there's all this other stuff that's going into it because i think if it was just being friends they could just be friends you know but it's the flirting and i think he is trying to work his way back in there by flirting even though he has no intention yes that's what he should not be doing

42:34Ben Mandelker: and that's why i said that their conversation should be just like we'll be best friends let's take the romance out of it but he and the reason why this is also egregious why everything has been egregious is because he has been so flirtatious with her and he's sort of been like sad puppy when jesse was interested in sierra and all this stuff so like he is pretending like he is romantically interested but like clearly he's not has no interest he i think he just wants a conquest you know because ultimately the person that he is truly in love with is amanda well it's not it's

43:06Ronnie Karam: beyond conquest because they're on the and i agree i'm agreeing with you i'm just adding to it i think it's that plus more because i think that jesse and west use use sierra as like an audience kind of like gauge and so like whoever because they've both had major problems with the audience over sierra issues you know and so i and and west talks about it at the end he's basically like he basically admits at the end he's like this is so hard because of the public you know the fans and this and that that's what makes it so hard which because that's all he cares about ultimately he's just a thirsty fucking tiktok loser you know all he cares about is fan reaction and i think jesse is the same way and so sierra is like the most popular person with the audience she's the if you mess with you know if you're sierra they're like oh my god you're so cute you're so sweet if you're against sierra people are dying in your sleep and so i think they use her as this you know kind of audience this gauge of the audience and how popular they are in their own competition with each other so sierra's really not even involved and that's what that's why it makes me crazy that sierra's always crying it's like i don't it's i do understand her feelings in it i just wish i could tell her it has nothing to do with you it you are a representation of audience popularity and that's all these guys are using you for like they don't care about you they are never going to care about you and once there's someone more popular on the show they're going to be using her the same way but right now they're just fucking using you and it just makes me crazy so when i hear her being like well i just want a friendship and i'm like no because they don't care stop giving them more likes yeah on you know instagram or whatever just let them fade off but

44:54Ben Mandelker: but what but like jesse solomon would give up his last name for her so i mean he's willing to take

45:00Ronnie Karam: the plunge give my last name for you um so so does that mean like i'll marry you like i'll give my last name to you or does it mean like if we get married we can use your last name like i'm not

45:16Ben Mandelker: really attached to i think the the implication is if you get if we get married you'll take on my last name so i'm giving you my last name but it sort of sounds like he's saying no actually um i'll i'll have the maiden name and we'll use your last name i'll get a hyphen for you yeah both are last names yeah man hyphenate um so anyway west is still in the dog house and that is that so at the kitchen table everyone's eating breakfast and kyle's like i really appreciate everyone coming out last night and coming around to watch me fade amy grant in the beater satara who knew they had a duet i didn't even have to do any work it was great and it wasn't my best it wasn't my best time

45:58Ronnie Karam: and sabrina's like no you played great like i was really happy to be there it was like really really

46:03Ben Mandelker: fine as your best friend it was like an honor to see you do your art and so amanda's like yeah kyle fucked up like in transitioning a few times and he would just like look at me and go oopsie

46:16Ronnie Karam: then they laugh and it wouldn't be fun if the manic didn't undermine kyle for a second like jesus can you just pretend the man did a decent job it was his birthday he's like yeah

46:25Ben Mandelker: it was fun kyle fucked up a lot he still doesn't know what he's doing right by the way i feel like it's been Kyle's birthday for like many weeks. I feel like it's been Kyle's birthday longer than it's taken Ellie to make that cake on Below Deck. So, uh, Sierra comes downstairs and then Wes is telling us, I feel, um, yeah, of course, I feel really bad. That's, that's why I'm wearing this shirt that you can only see the tips of my fingers coming out of the sleeves because I feel that bad. And, um, my objective is like every day, I like, my main objective is like, don't upset Sierra. Like, don't hurt her feelings.

46:59Ben Mandelker: Like, please, you're

47:00Ronnie Karam: going out of your way to do it shut the fuck up i'm so sick i really hate you went out of your way and then he's like i didn't even invite this girl yes you did you invited everybody to this party you even told the whole group there's a girl who's coming who's really hot and now you're pretending you didn't even know her and you had no idea who she was she's just some rando who came to like sit on your lap and take advantage of you while you were drunk you're such a fucking liar

47:24Ben Mandelker: camille i can't and he even said when she sat down oh the girl like kind of my ex is right behind you and then he's acting like i didn't even see you and when sierra says you didn't see me i get it or whatever he never corrects it like i it's just it's terrible and i and i said this last week it really bothers me when he's like i've just been working really hard not to upset her because it kind of like also puts it a lot of it on sierra like oh be careful with sierra you never know when she's gonna blow you never know when she's gonna lose her top like oh my god she's gonna like she's just be careful powder keg over there and i just don't like that like it should be that you are working hard every day to be just a better person and be chill and like understand her and understand her boundaries and it's just like about like god yeah it's just i i feel like it's just he by him saying i just don't want to piss her off it's it's he's sort of taking himself out of it in a weird way and he's almost like making himself look like a hero it's like no like i don't think sierra wants you to tiptoe i mean she may joke that she enjoys the power that that has it's like just be a good person and be respectful and then everything should fall into place i mean if

48:34Ronnie Karam: he was just on and it's a lot and it's a lot yes he is honest with everybody else i mean he told everyone else oh invited this hot girl then the hot girl sits on his lap and they make out or whatever and he's like oh that girl's right behind us but whatever so he was he was honest to everybody else. And then he was honest when she got upset and he said to everybody else, what? I've been walking on eggshells for like 18 months. Like how long do I have to do this? Okay. Well, that's an honest reaction. And I would respect it a lot more if he went to her and said, listen, you don't want me. You've made it clear.

49:07Ronnie Karam: You don't want me. You don't like me, whatever. We're trying to be friends, but if you don't like me and there's no chance, then I should be able to make out with some girl at a party. Like we need to talk about this. Like if they had that discussion and she was like yeah but it still hurt my feelings that you did it right next to me and you were performative and she would still have a point i'm not saying that that would make him right but at least it would be an honest conversation where she could be like okay well then we're just friends and we're not going to be flirting anymore like what do you is that what you're saying because like if if i was getting like solid like a solid directive here i would know what's going on but you're acting like we're going to be together any minute and then you're making out with some hoe right next to me so what is it but at least it would be an honest conversation but all of this i didn't mean to and i was drunk and i don't remember and who even was that girl and i've just been trying so hard for 18 months it's just bullshit just say you're sick of walking on eggshells and you shouldn't have to because you're fucking single and that's it have an honest conversation and stop being such a fucking wuss my god i think that she would i think sierra would

50:08Ben Mandelker: appreciate that someone who's just like standing up for himself and saying like look i'm sick of it like i just i spent all of last season spending half those half the weekend nights outside of the summer house because i because i was so like trying to like you know be respectful of your feelings and not trying to bring anyone around and i just have to live my life at a certain point you know like and i think she would really respect that upfront sort of conversation but it is this whimpering like head down like puffy bangs forward thing and it's just like it's enough it's too much

50:39Ronnie Karam: so um uh says yeah i'm like i've worked on it so hard and then i just ruined it by like making out with someone i never even met before which is another lie so then at the kitchen table dara's like well i just want to say thank you guys for making my full weekend like so easy breezy and fun this was amazing oh my god is that a dead fly jesus christ so they clap for her like congrats

51:06Ben Mandelker: Sarah, you successfully replaced Levi. And then now they're packing up to go. I just got dumped. Yeah, Levi's officially done, though. And people are packing up, and Ben is like, Sabrina, come and pack yourself. Come on, Sabrina. Come on, that's a good girl. That's a good girl. Lollipop afterwards. And then people are showering. And so Wes knocks on Sierra's door, and he's like, I just want to tell you, I think at this point, Amanda, no, she's not, Amanda's not there. uh this that's later on when he does this again the following weekend uh when amanda's on the phone but in this case amanda's not on the phone it's just sierra and west goes um i just want to tell you i apologize for being a shitty friend because like yeah i don't i don't feel good at all and like i like personally i'm bummed because like i feel like on a friendship level like things were like pretty okay and then like i hope that like i didn't like um fuck up like whatever was built the rest of the summer and she's like um i mean this is why i didn't want to be friends with you again like this doesn't make any sense like i want you to be able to live your life and be free and whatever so i think that like let's just keep it at that and we're just won't be friends he's like um okay it's just a lot harder for me i guess because i i want you to like me because the audience would like then forgive me but like if you don't like me they're gonna be really mean to

52:27Ronnie Karam: me so can we take it yeah like i've just been like putting so like much effort into just like like you know i just want like you to like know that i care and like i've been trying so hard and like i mean now it seems like none of that even mattered you know and like you said you're okay with awkwardness but i'm not like it really bugs me horribly because the audience will still hate me so i'm not really good at pretending to like not know each other i mean it really takes a lot out of me you are the aggressor here sir with your even this is aggressive with your wine your constant whining and making yourself the victim and going out with everyone in the house and making yourself this whole this whole victim that someone is traumatizing you're doing it well also he just he just said you know you're like you're fine with this situation but i'm not

53:16Ben Mandelker: i'm like really i'm not good with awkwardness i'm like so are you here to apologize to her because you hurt her feelings or you were there because you you can't stand having someone who's sort of indefinitely mad at you and it's awkward and this is like it's is it really about sierra right now or is it about you and how you're feeling because i think like the punishment is that you have to sit with the awkwardness yeah it's not as much like i'm sorry i would

53:38Ronnie Karam: constantly hurt your feelings on purpose it's more like please stop calling me out so i can stop being in trouble because i really don't like the being in trouble part so now it's uh sunday everybody still sunday everybody's packing to leave uh to go home and um dara's like let the record show i'm packed and ready and the room was clean and kj had nothing to do with it i did it all

53:59Ben Mandelker: that's dara deal with it we'll be there he spent the entire morning brushing his teeth so um and then uh jesse sees uh jesse goes bailey bailey walks by and he's like hey what's up bail of hay Oh, okay. Well, I'm glad that someone's finally acknowledging me and giving me a pet name in this house. Bale of hay was maybe not what my choice was, but not loving that nickname, Jesse. I'm not going to lie. Please don't call me Bale of hay ever again. I think I'd rather be off the show than be called Bale of hay.

54:31Ronnie Karam: How about this? What's up, big Bale of hay? Maybe that way? That way? She's like, yeah, big. You're going to add big to it? And that's a big hole? Wow.

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