#3330 Southern Hospitality S4E08: Fall Out Girl

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1:21Ronnie Karam: Well, hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens. I'm Ronnie, that's Ben over there. Hello, Ben. Hi, Ronnie. How's it going? I'm good. I'm giving Mueller some butt scratches. He just came in for some butt scratches right at the start. Okay, are you good? I'm good here, buddy. Okay, that's all you're going to get today. Welcome to Southern Hospitality Day. If you want this recap on video or you want bonus episodes, This Week is Survivor, or you want Discord server, a free newsletter, or ad-free listening, that is all available on patreon.com. slash watch what's problems so go over there and check it out today is southern hospitality season four episode eight what's it called my chemical bromance i have really never been happier to not

2:13Ben Mandelker: be part of a trend like i have been not being part of the emo scene gosh i watched this episode and i was like i am so glad that that like i missed this window i was already like an adult you know

2:27Ronnie Karam: like it made me so happy it's a long window though right because they did it on vanderpump rules like two years ago yeah i mean i guess like i guess like the i mean emo was was a big thing but i'm just saying like i'm glad that when i was in high school like the vibes were more like uh grunge oh so you meant back then the emo thing yeah yeah yeah yeah like i was already happening when i was young but i was already emo so to me it was just a bunch of fakers i was like i've been doing this since since i was a baby now you guys just put on some eyeliner and it's a movement get the

3:02Ben Mandelker: out of here yeah because i felt like emo was just sort of like a more diluted grunge a more diluted goth mixed together just make like largely generic music i mean i definitely have some emo songs in my my library you know i've got some got some yellow card i've got like hubastank you know i've got all those things but like just so glad i never got caught up in the spiky hair bullshit and the mascara i'm like oh it just feels yes i have a faux hawk i had a faux hawk in 2005 that was never quite properly formed yeah it was not a triumph but yeah i guess i remember i didn't

3:42Ronnie Karam: know you though but i've seen pictures of you yeah with the faux hawk i had like a little peak it was like a little yeah it's like a little something it was like a little birdhouse but i

3:51Ben Mandelker: never quite like shaved the side of my head so it didn't quite look like a fuck it just like my hair

3:56Ronnie Karam: just sort of like rose up you know yeah i had a moment in my 20s where i was like combat and in high school actually where i was like combat boots and all black and like i wore a long black trench coat and i had really long black hair that was curly you know that i could like sometimes put up like let's face it like the look was not great um but back then that wasn't really a thing but um yeah it that was a look and i remember i went to my sister's college she she spent her first year in lubbock and that is like real like texas-y cowboy texas-y and i was walking through walmart dress like that and people were like what the is that piece of walking in our walmart but um i don't know if that was emo or not was it i guess it's close right no i really loved my dogs though i'd like make a look to work with the docs because i just really wanted those docs so bad definitely point is look yeah at least we earned it back then you know like we felt it we were like emo these people didn't earn it yeah come on like you didn't earn your emo yeah moshing to like uh fallout boy whatever um uh before we start the show shout out to the fixing famous

5:12Ben Mandelker: people podcast chris rosa and dominic pupa thank you for having me on uh that episode is now live Dave and we talk about Misha Barton and her life and times, my experiences with her and how we can fix her, get her back on the right track. It was a really, really fun and funny podcast. So go check that out wherever you listen to podcasts. Thanks for having me on, guys.

5:37Ronnie Karam: Go check it out. Oh, and tell people where to vote for your board game podcast, too, because there were confused people in comments yesterday trying to find it.

5:44Ben Mandelker: Okay, so a few things on that. So it's at the, the website is board game geek.com. And then you do a slash golden geek board game geek.com slash golden geek. But the thing is this, if you want to vote, what I've now learned is you do have to be a member of the website and then you have to have a thing called like geek gold. So honestly, if it's like too much of a pain, like don't bother. I get it. I didn't, I'm not trying to get everyone to sign up for things and whatever.

6:16Ronnie Karam: uh geek gold they need you to like geek out to vote for the geek thing you see yeah and like i

6:22Ben Mandelker: don't know i have geek gold that i can give people but i don't know if that's quote unquote ethical for an award like an awards thing for me to be like here's here's some he was buying votes with the geek gold i don't know if that's right to do so like if you can't do it it's fine i will not be offended like i appreciate i appreciate the people who messaged me about it i appreciate it but like please don't spend any i don't know if it costs money to get the geek gold i just sort of if you contribute a lot to those forums, you just sort of naturally get it because people just have it. It's weird.

6:51Ben Mandelker: I don't know. I don't know how it works, but like, please don't spend any money if they, if that's a thing. Because someone said like, I donated to the site to get geek gold, but it still wouldn't let me do it. I'm like, please don't spend money to do this. Oh no. Oh gosh. If you happen to be a member already or whatever, I would appreciate your vote, but don't go above and beyond in my pursuit of my own personal EGOT. I appreciate the sentiment nonetheless. okay they should make it easier that's cool i don't know why they do that well you know i've always said the same thing about taxes so here we go um mia is doing laser

7:27Ronnie Karam: hair removal well yeah i want you to win that thing thank you you know i want you to be like we're not just some bravo podcast ben has a geek he has a golden geek i also record a podcast with several middle-aged straight men guys we talk about cards and dice

7:51Ronnie Karam: that's my man so uh mia is doing at home laser hair i've always wondered how this works because i have one of those things and i was like ow and i didn't even do it on my nuts but she was doing it on her bikini line and you know screamed every time that it zapped her but i don't know it gave me some kind of strength. I was like, maybe I can try again. Not really on my nuts. I don't know if you're supposed to use it on your nuts, but I try it like on my shoulders or wherever I'm starting to get like little old man hairs coming up. But I think I did it wrong, but maybe I didn't do it wrong because I screamed.

8:25Ronnie Karam: So I guess that's what you have to do. I'll try it next time at the bathtub. So she FaceTimes with TJ, who's in New York, and he's like, oh my God, it's so nice to be out of Charleston. We're going to gay meeting. We're going to gay bars and stuff, and it's going to be crazy we're gonna find some guys and you know i want to hear about the paint and sip though and uh she's like those fucking girls they're like ridiculous like i'm it's like in middle school like like you held hands with my boyfriend i don't like you it's like this whole situation i'm dipped

8:51Ben Mandelker: out i dipped out i dipped out what like what do you mean that's because that's it oh gotcha wait did you really need that clarification tj wait when you said dipped out did you mean that you went and bought like a lot of dip and then you ran out she's like no i meant that i'm done with it okay just want to be sure thanks so she says this whole justin thing i'm done with it i'm over it at this point i don't need all this drama i got other things to focus on you know i've got athlete dms to answer back to um and she's like i'm just so jealous that you're in new york if i were there i would have had six boyfriends by now he's like yeah me too i i i don't i don't have any boyfriends but that's okay i'll bring you back some dumplings from new york you like you're You're down with some soggy old dumplings, right?

9:35Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I feel like if I ever got DMs from an athlete, they would just say something like, please stop trying. Or like, some people just weren't born for this.

9:47Ben Mandelker: The end. I don't think I'm ever going to get a DM from an athlete. That's just like not in my cards. I don't know what that would even be like.

9:57Ronnie Karam: well so a guy on a a guy with a baby stroller passes and he's like excuse you you're in the middle of the fucking walkway look around jesus you're the one walking your baby through a busy street sir i'm calling child services and in tj's defense tj was a little bit off to the side

10:15Ben Mandelker: like there was plenty of room for you and your baby vehicle sir but i did laugh also um so then we see michael's and he's like arriving with his talent manager cory and he's cory's like hi welcome to new york how's your place um it was honestly like not so bad like i made out with all the people in my row it was like kind of amazing like very liberating like it was a little weird when i like took off my shirt like in the middle of landing but like everyone was down with it it was pretty cool i know i wish my mom was there to see it

10:48Ronnie Karam: um so he's like okay we've got photos from the so.gay shoot okay this is the cover it is you standing extremely awkwardly in a gigantic shoulder padded blazer we just look at him he's like that is so.gay

11:07Ben Mandelker: michael's like oh my god that's like sick oh my god so this will be your first cover i love it and I think it's like giving old Hollywood glamour. Can someone remind me what actually is old Hollywood glamour? I just sort of said it. Oh, I take it back. This is not giving old Hollywood glamour. This looks nothing like old Hollywood glamour.

11:31Ronnie Karam: I was going to say, what? Who? Name one old Hollywood glamour person that this reminds you of. I was like, yeah, I was sitting there, and I was like, that's not like me. That's like FaceApp. You know like when you do a FaceApp version of yourself, and it's like sick this was like that but like it was me it was like so hot i was like you're hot as

11:53Ben Mandelker: it's called retouching and airbrushing you basically did get that yeah it's the original

11:57Ronnie Karam: it's the original okay before there were apps there were actually people who sat there and

12:02Ben Mandelker: painted your face the apps the app for base off of the process of doing your face for magazine covers like oh my god like oh this is like amazing like my body looks so tea

12:16Ronnie Karam: okay so there's like a couple more meetings i want to set up for you we had one minor setback where one of the brands had to cancel because it's a popular dating app and they were ready to offer deal but it turned out you'd been banned from the platform so what the hell did you do to do that he's like oh oh my god i don't even remember why um yeah i like don't know like i

12:41Ben Mandelker: actually don't remember what i did to get myself banned but um like were you posting is posting is he's like um oh my god that's so t right now so okay well we're gonna try and get you reinstated

12:58Ronnie Karam: and try and get that deal. But, you know, like you were so professional on set and, you know, influencer managers heard about that at Men's Warehouse. Men's Warehouse actually has a bulletin out where if anyone hears of well-behaved models, we ding Men's Warehouse. And Men's Warehouse heard about it and they want you. They love well-behaved models. So you get to do a Men's Warehouse thing.

13:22Ben Mandelker: We're in a little bit of a pickle here though because um that's so gay magazine found out that you're doing a men's warehouse uh campaign and they would like to revoke your cover so they said it sent him my send him my dick send him my dick though just send him my dick wait okay we'll do that it's like no this actually is like so good because like i actually like wear a suit for work and like the suit i wear is actually from men's warehouse it's like so amazing of course like oh my god there you go proud of you

13:55Ronnie Karam: congratulations by the way that's gross um but you know what you just got a national campaign so let's go baby it's time for a commercial it's time for a crappin's commercial

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16:05Ben Mandelker: so now we go to Joe's apartment and he's on the phone coordinating his his emo night party and he's like alright yeah okay I'm gonna try to sell as many tickets as possible and he's talking to a girl named Cameron which makes me think there's only one girl named Cameron in Charleston so clearly it's Cameron from original southern charm and she's like okay you stupid face so you really think you're gonna throw a

16:29Ronnie Karam: party with 300 people okay we'll see about that bye now bye bye uh secure the best cammy do not call me cammy i'm not your mother or your sister my name is cameron do you understand

16:43Ben Mandelker: man child cameron now excuse me i have shepherd on the other line so

16:51Ben Mandelker: So Maddie is like, Joe, I'm coming over. Let's talk. I was like, okay. I haven't talked or I haven't talked to or slept in the same bed with Maddie in like a week. I just can't believe it's been so long since I've talked to her. So like this has like never happened. Like it's been like a nightmare. Like turning 30 alone is like making me freak the fuck out. Like on top of that, you know, like what?

17:17Ronnie Karam: Talking 30 alone. It's so hard turning 30 alone. Shut up. I don't want to die alone I'm 30 now. Yeah, you never know this old age could just put me under You know like I spent so much money on this and I like I'm putting so much like stuff into this party Like I just want to I don't have to be worried about our relationship So then Maddie is coming so he hears her coming and he's like like trying to cry and look really sad. He's like disheveling himself, trying to look really sad. So these two just like crack me up.

17:53Ben Mandelker: So Maddie walks into this house that she presumably has been in many times. She walks in and doesn't see Joe anywhere in this lofted house. It's like a single story apartment with a loft. She's looking around. She's like, Joe, Joe, where's Joe? Did he fall down a well? He's like, I'm up here. Huh? Where? Huh? He's in the walls. Stranger things. He's in the guys Joe's in the underneath. He's in the upside down. He's in the wherever the whatever cause we got to save Joe. I'm like, just go up the staircase that the voice came from Maddie.

18:20Ronnie Karam: He's right up the stairs.

18:22Ben Mandelker: You'll be okay. It's right there. It's up there.

18:25Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So she goes up and she goes, oh my God, Joe, I don't like your outfit. White on cream. Like, what are you doing, Joe? Like, how are you showing people that you're ready to run a bar when you're wearing white on cream?

18:39Ben Mandelker: Well, my inspiration was that I got a latte with like, I got like, it was like a vanilla latte with foam. So like my body is like that. My legs are like the body of the latte and the top. I get it, Joe. I understand. I'm not, I'm just saying it's fine on a drink. It's not good for an outfit. God, you're out of control. You're spiraling white on cream. Oh, well, I'm sorry

18:59Ronnie Karam: that I'm about to turn 30 alone and I'm not really thinking about my outfit. Okay. I just need like my best friend my girlfriend and she's like yeah i just want you to be there for me this week because i'm not in a good place she goes you know what like okay i'm sorry for seeing red sometimes i would appreciate seeing red right now because white on cream serious look i let that go yeah but like i'm just like i had a conversation with leva yesterday and like i got a bunch of like

19:24Ben Mandelker: clarity yeah clarity on the situation specifically uh what situation the situation of you leaving and saying you're gonna work, and then like, you're leaving, and then like going out, and like drinking. It's like, it's not cute. Like you're turning 30 years old. I don't wanna do it alone. Quiet, Joe. Like you need to reel it in. You have a hard time saying no and having boundaries. Um, I'm not some crazy alcoholic. It's like, I don't appreciate the way you phrase that, but go on. I'm just like, very professional. I like, I'm not one of these crazy cuckoo weirdo, like strange people who's an alcoholic.

20:00Ben Mandelker: You know what I'm saying, Maddie? please joe stop trying to say it that way okay i guess i go out i have a better chance of meeting investors for future location elsewhere other than republic like you're trying to find potential investors for something that doesn't exist what are you talking about nobody no potential investor

20:17Ronnie Karam: is going to give money to some drunk guy in the club who's like pitching stupid bringing something that's what stupid guys do at clubs go hey i got an idea my idea no i'm not going to give you money for that so maddie's like okay so you go out and network and you meet these investors where are they where they at joe where are they at what is this room where are we where is this this is a loft

20:42Ben Mandelker: uh uh well i'm just i just you're like what do you want like what you want to stay home you want me to be a prisoner you're such a idiot first when he said like i'm not some crazy alcoholic i was like why did you just say that to maddie and then second of all when he's like you want me to be a prisoner like are you just trying to get broken up with right now okay how about this i'll just

21:03Ronnie Karam: not have a birthday i'll just not have been born 30 years ago and then we can just work the whole time i can go to work instead okay like i won't have to drop a tree and click it'll just like i'll just have the best birthday doing nothing and being at work and just like not have like joe i'm not telling you to skip your birthday okay yeah no because like all these people are coming in town so i'll just be at work you can just go to my birthday party and be like here's the day that Joe didn't turn 30. Why don't you do that?

21:28Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Yeah. Maybe I'll like own a bar by like next week because this will fix everything. Okay, you're being dramatic and the victim, okay? He's like, I'm being dramatic. Me, I'm being dramatic. You just put on a cape and a mask. Oh, really? And he just knocked over a chandelier. What are you doing, Joe? Stop being so dramatic. Oh, wow.

21:44Ronnie Karam: How's the cape even cream colored? It doesn't match, Joe.

21:48Ben Mandelker: Technically, it's beige. Well, even worse. Even worse. Okay, Joe, no one is thinking about that. you're saying that you're working your birthday like your reality is not reality which is funny because he does say fine i'll take my birthday off and i'll go to work like you don't take your the birthday is not a job that you take off i like that the party is the thing that he takes off and the work is the thing he goes to no you take off work to do your birthday joe

22:17Ronnie Karam: she's like no you need to take your reality and then you need to like throw it away joe like for example i'm gonna pick up this like stupid little nothing off your desk and throw it off the loft that's what you need to do to just just throw it away he's like wait i needed that that was my

22:32Ben Mandelker: favorite she takes some little thing it's like a pencil sharpener like a little pencil sharpener she like throws it off on an eraser he goes i needed that i mean it's not real life joe you're

22:44Ronnie Karam: having like a midlife fucking crisis joe like chill joe like come on man and he's like i'm turning 30 in four days like that's not a it's not a midlife crisis this is like i'm a turning 30 crisis it's like oh my god your dream is this fucking close joe you need to prove yourself i'm like i don't know if you even have the capacity to be able to reel it in joe um i clearly do have

23:04Ben Mandelker: that or i did have that before you threw my reel downstairs i just think that like right now my life i'm just like oh you clearly do really i don't think there's been a weekend where you haven't gone out and you want to move in with me and marry me and do all those things and like i don't really know i don't really want a boyfriend who's like uh going out and getting drunk all the time but it's like crazy to me that you're like attacking me on my birthday week when i'm supposed to be like celebrating well can i tell you it's my birthday week too well oh that's next week no i'm

23:34Ronnie Karam: like four days after you joe it's in the same week and you just he just blinks and you watch him try to figure this out he's like i won't argue with this somehow no it's the same seven day span joe but like when does your week start no it's the same week joe what are you trying you

23:51Ben Mandelker: can't use the birthday excuse it's my birthday too joe okay then fine fine it's my birthday month but it's my birthday month too wait a minute that's even more well defined

24:03Ronnie Karam: so like she's like joe you know what like i'm trying to hold you accountable because i love you joe he's like yeah but like okay fine like i cope with my like stress and anxiety but like drinking too much like okay i acknowledge it but like when i'm home with you i don't crave alcohol but i picked a career path where i've just got to be you know around alcohol you know and then people are like joe that's like the most confident guy in the world i don't know what he's saying but like he's really confident and like it scares the shit out of me that i can't do without alcohol so like why are you trying to suggest that i'm an alcoholic

24:36Ben Mandelker: yeah it's really hard to feel like i'm at my best socially without alcohol and i just think it's like because been like that since college like it hasn't pissed anyone off until now and now it's pissing off the person i love the most look i'm somebody that can help you maybe set boundaries or someone that you can talk to notice i'm saying boundaries all the time ever since levah said i was really good with boundaries boundaries joe yeah well i need your support and sometimes like yelling at me is just like gonna make me feel even more defeated so i would love for you to be like sweet to me this week and like not throw like really important erasers over the side of the balcony like i'm actually like i don't know like i'm having like real anxiety because like i actually need to do a shit ton of things by the end of the day for like my event like i've got to like erase a whole bunch of pencil things and like my eraser is missing now like what am i supposed to do she's like okay joe how can i help you well you can help by giving me a 20 second hug because

25:30Ronnie Karam: a 20 second hug decreases stress by no it decreases anxiety by 20 god joe it's being by the waterfront

25:38Ben Mandelker: reduces stress hugs are for anxiety waterfront is for stress did you learn nothing joe so she agrees

25:45Ronnie Karam: she's gonna help him and they're gonna get along now okay so now on the screen it's seven hours left of joe bradley's 20s and justin and tj are walking and talking about new york and how fun it

25:57Ben Mandelker: was and now it's time for a day shift at rapop yes so michael's goes up to a table of uh ladies like um are we interested in getting a bottle with us tonight oh my god sorry i'm like i'm living in like nightlife it's like not even night time i'm like so sorry oh my god am i gonna get banned from

26:17Ronnie Karam: another platform and it's i think it's like that same table of older ladies they just keep coming back it is you guys got the sparklers again give us some sparkler we love that it was so funny we thought there was a fire at first you ever tried to blow one of those out we actually hit what was in the eye with one of those things that's why she's not here today hey can you get when we

26:40Ben Mandelker: lost one a picture of those cocktails what was that cocktail that ladybird johnson used to always love one of those one of those you know you know okay let's uh i mean it's like oh my god we have

26:53Ronnie Karam: to quite we have to like clean and clog off and then we're gonna go to joe's email party everybody

27:00Ben Mandelker: and uh bella's like it's not a phase yeah it's not a phase mama i mean it because they're being like funny about like emo so um tj's like um is jordan gonna come tonight and justin's like um i fucking don't care like if she does she does because guess what i'm already emo you know what i'm actually really disappointed that i'm back in the friend zone with mia it would have been nice to see where things could have panned out but you know what before the peanut gallery got got its nasty nasty little hands over it they ruined it all cough cough lake

27:34Ronnie Karam: okay you took five minutes to find another girl who's on tv i mean we see what you're doing justin you're very transparent he's like well i couldn't go with that lead of a tv show so you know i went out on the strip on king street and i found another lead of a tv show to be with within five minutes so lake is like i'm so excited for tonight though like oh my god but like 30 like He's 30? 30's not even old. He's like, yeah, 30s are sexy.

28:05Ben Mandelker: And then we see TJ. He's like, I mean, obviously 30 is sexy and 34 is even sexier. And he tries to wink at the camera. He's like, and they're like, you can't wink. He's like, no, I can't. I can't wink. Like TJ, you're just scrunching up your entire face right now.

28:24Ronnie Karam: Not a wink. So the girls are like, oh my God, he's bringing a date. and like you're gonna be my day girl it's gonna be so fun and Lake actually has a girl coming she's dating a girl and TJ's like yeah I feel like that's very emo of you and Emmy goes yeah it's not a phase mom just keep doing that

28:41Ben Mandelker: Lake goes yeah it was never a phase fish tacos for life and Emmy goes like uh not literal fish tacos for life Emmy it's a girl fish I'm not following I'm sorry so do you not want the fish tacos what are you gonna have for lunch it's a metaphor emmy is blissfully uh oblivious to anything yeah she's like what kind of she just really cannot she's not she's just not

29:15Ronnie Karam: can't track these progressive things yeah geez so now we go to brad's place and julia calls him and she's like i'm fuming right now i just left from getting my hair done and they were like hey I just want to let you know, like, I've been hearing crazy things about Bradley. And I was like, okay. So apparently Emmy goes to the hair salon and is telling everybody that Bradley was stalking her outside of her hotel room in New York, drunk, banging on her hotel room door while she was naked in the bathroom and terrified. And she's like, what the fuck, Brad? You were not, Brad, you didn't even drink and you were not banging on her door and you were not a threat.

29:52Ronnie Karam: And he's like, yeah, that didn't happen. so she's like someone needs to fucking talk to her okay and if your friends can't do it i'm gonna do it and he's like he gets really upset and he's like what the fuck oh my god like she's fine and then she goes home and probably talks to will or her mom and they destroy whatever piece we've come up with and then she comes back with a totally different attitude yeah also like i think

30:19Ben Mandelker: we need tj to step in as well because wasn't brad with tj when they came up out of the elevator and they heard emmy isn't that like part of the story here like yeah i think we need tj to be like emmy i was with brad none of this happened that you're saying and you are you're being really really harmful right now with what what you're what you're talking about julia right because julia says julia's talking like she was there too so yeah that's what we found out telling her but emmy

30:48Ronnie Karam: since this whole thing has been distilled down to brad and emmy you know stuff oh it's just so gross emmy it's like god emmy just when you think emmy can't be more fucking disgusting like just yeah can we just mid-fire mid-season fire emmy like get rid of her what the hell she's horrible so um uh emmy then we cut to emmy and emmy's like i mean why am i so dramatic um because no one is listening to me and I like have to scream from the mountaintops because no one will listen like nobody believes me like no matter how I put it so like I'm like I start losing my mind and that's what's going on and like I'm alone I'm made to be crazy and like no one's ever gonna believe me and like I'm back to my like child again with like raging ADD and it's just like pointing the finger at me pointing the finger at the Emmy because like the person who's hyperactive is like the easiest one to blame oh okay so now you're gonna start using ADD as you're a victim and people are just doing this because you're like the poor add kid no emmy this is like typical typical victim cloaking and ain't nobody gonna fall for it man this is crazy yeah i think the one that's easiest

31:56Ben Mandelker: to blame is the one who's going around saying he was making me feel unsafe and was stalking me at my door while i was naked and fabricating lies is probably the easiest one to blame and that happens to be you as well so julia is like really mad brad's upset brad actually is like stepping away from the production because like, and I can only imagine how frustrating it is and disappointing and like, it's scary. It's scary to have someone who's now going around town saying this stuff and painting you a certain way as he's trying to like launch his business and painting him as like scary black man.

32:28Ben Mandelker: And that's what Emmy is doing and it's really fucked up. It's like, it's like, and it keeps on happening. It keeps on going after they've had multiple conversations and it's just sad. I just feel like the fact that emmy can't hear this or understand it is just so terrible for some reason i have this idea that younger people are more open to understanding these concepts that then older people older people sort of get like locked in their ways and they're thinking and they just sort of they get they become brittle and and just you can't get through to older people but i always feel like if you're someone who's younger is like around more thoughts and things and i don't know like there's more of a discussion about different perspectives and world experiences.

33:13Ben Mandelker: And so I just have this expectation that she, she would be able to understand this. And the fact that she doesn't is just so deeply disappointing as someone who formerly really enjoyed Emmy on the show. I just think it's just like real crap. It's just shitty, shitty, shitty, shitty.

33:31Ronnie Karam: Ignorance comes in every age. So now it's two hours left of Joe Bradley's twenties. everybody so maddie picks up michael's like oh my god he's like you look hot like let's go like get me out of here so like you got balloons like they're safe this time it's like oh my god bitch they are weighted this time and we see the clip of the balloons flying away when she freaked out last time and those were weighted as well so i think that these just are more properly weighted i don't know this is probably have a barbell on the bottom last time they were weighted with joe's

34:06Ben Mandelker: with Joe's skill set, which was not much. And so they flew off into the sky. Joe, the balloons! Oh my god, the balloons flew away! Which was a great moment. So Maddie's asking how she's doing, and she's like, I have been the best I've been living the best life this weekend, so like, okay, when I was ill, I had to cancel the show, and my manager came to me and said they want to give you an opportunity to make it up in Punta Cana! And they're like, oh my god, Punta Cana! By the way, did we ever find out what Maddie was ill with? That was ever a storyline? Or we just know that she was in the hospital and we don't know what it was, right?

34:42Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I don't think we know what it was. So she's like, I've played everywhere in the nation, but my dream is to play out of the country. And I like that it's so nonspecific. I believe that's how your dream should be. Just very nonspecific. Like, I don't want to play in Paris. Like, just stay out of the country. I can go to Mexico, do it there in a weekend. Boom. A goal accomplished. Something off the vision board.

35:08Ben Mandelker: James Kennedy, when he pressed play in a club in Mexico, he's like, I just played Tulum. And you're like, you pressed, you do not have a DJ set in Tulum. You pressed play on a CD player.

35:21Ronnie Karam: Yeah, exactly. So Michael's just like, oh my God, that's literally my homeland. Like I've been there since I was seven, seven years old. and I haven't been there since I was seven. And so that's where his parents are from. His dad is half Puerto Rican and Dominican and his mom is fully Dominican. So he talks about going there as a little kid and he knows everything about it. So he's going to help her figure out where to go and plan the trip and all that stuff. So then she asks about New York and he's like, oh my God, you named the bar, we were there. Like I fucked somebody named Men's Warehouse.

35:57Ronnie Karam: It was amazing. and then we went to another gay bar and tj like i made out with like five people but then we got in the taxi and then i made out with tj and she's like so you got to make out with like half the city and tj got to make out with you yeah he's like 34 so i just wanted to see what it'd be like

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38:33Ben Mandelker: She goes, you guys are crazy. So now we go to Brad's house and everyone's getting ready. And TJ is putting on a shirt that says, don't waste your toy, money, you're all ready. It's like, it's so, our note taker says it's sounding out the lyrics to blink 182s i miss you because i was looking at that t-shirt and i did not get it whatsoever and like oh my god that t-shirt i used to have a t-shirt like that oh you're i'm not no i don't know i still don't get it i still don't get the t-shirt this is this is a generation gap moment for me and this show so everybody's coming in

39:09Ronnie Karam: their emo outfits and talking about like how crazy they were back then and um julia tells justin yeah you look more emo like on a normal day than you do right now which is kind of true um so he it's his turn to say it's not a phase mom so then mia comes and she's wearing like a wig like a pink wig and stuff and they're like whoa he says you look like a weird anime hot chick with big boobs it's like yeah okay so they're all talking about their emo phases and stuff yeah

39:43Ben Mandelker: we see pictures of a lot of them from like when they were in high school you know listening to this music in 2005 or six or something and mia's mia's like i didn't really have an emo phase like maybe i listened to paramore like once or twice but like that's it she's like i was a jock and then brad comes out in like a wig which doesn't make any sense but it's like a lady over there

40:02Ronnie Karam: yeah it comes out and kind of like a mary lou retin wig which is weird yeah it was so weird so tj is asking me so are the girls going to be nice to you tonight she's like i don't even know what i did to those girls and molly's like yeah like it's a rude ass um and then we see a flashback of like being like um what i value in friendships and what i value in people are not characteristics that you guys have exhibited so molly says the only reason lake doesn't like me is it's very

40:33Ben Mandelker: clear it's because emmy doesn't like me mind you emmy also has no reason to hate me either they should just go form a club i hate molly for no reason club just to hate molly put it on a t-shirt or a mug and then actually you can have like a party and i can actually plan it like i actually would like not mind planning an i hate molly party i mean a check is a check am i right

40:50Ronnie Karam: yeah but molly also you told that girl to go date you told me to go date uh justin and then now you're acting like oh my god i can't believe she dated justin so whatever so um brad's like okay hey, I co-sign. Oh, they're saying she needs to start talking to you. And Brad's like, I co-sign. So now Julia comes in and she looks gorgeous. She's wearing this like spiked collar thing. And Mia's like, oh my God, you look so sexy. And TJ goes, yeah, it's like all the girls that dress really hot for Halloween, but then you come and dress like a blueberry.

41:26Ben Mandelker: And so, yeah, Mia's like, that's not fair. Like, I didn't know it was sexy goth. I thought it was funny goth. So, um, uh, me, I was like, I'm going to go pull a Grace Lily and be like, I'm going home. I didn't know the dress code. He didn't tell me. So now it's one hour left of Joe Bradley's twenties. And now we're with Joe at this, at this place. It's called the music farm. And, uh, Joe is with actually his brother, his hot brother. And Joe's like, Hey, so like, this is a music farm. And like, that's Republic. Look, like Republic's there and music farmers there. And I come out of like the back alley of Republic there.

41:58Ben Mandelker: The music farm is like there. Like, have you ever seen like two buildings so close to before? like it was like building there and building there it's like crazy right god the 20s are

42:06Ronnie Karam: crazy i'm gonna miss them his brother looks just like him and talks just like him too he's like yeah like this is really cool like i'm putting on makeup on like a girl this is crazy bro he's like yeah my brother's got like a great corporate job he's intelligent and successful he's crushing it with work and like um like i just want to be him you know like makes me feel like a piece of shit his brother's like you're not a piece of shit like you could do this too you're doing so good joe you're doing great i wouldn't put on the eyeliner for anyone else joe joe's putting on his brother's

42:37Ben Mandelker: eyeliner which i would not trust joe to do this and his brother's like uh you sure you're doing it right should we do a youtube video he's like no don't worry about it it's not like not rocket science like i know how to do it okay yeah i thought we should have watched a youtube video joe why is your brother in an eye patch so joe's like yeah my brother's inspiring but he's also like makes me feel like a piece of shit like in a good way though like a good piece of shit like a really like well-formed piece of shit like he makes me feel like damn like i could do this like what's my excuse you know um yeah okay cool well you look good you look great michael's like all

43:12Ronnie Karam: right great cheers to being 30 all right thanks yeah so they're talking about their love life and michael doesn't have a girl and joe's like i can't believe that we live in a world where like i have a girlfriend before you that's crazy he's like yeah if only girlfriends were jobs right joe like careers it's like damn ow okay wow so he's saying maddie's it for him and he's going to propose to her sooner than you think and it's probably going to be next year and he's like yeah fighting with maddie's been a wake-up call you know like wake-up calls go off and then you turn off the alarm take a shot and go back to bed for a while so it's time to make some changes you know maybe vodka instead of tequila something like that but one thing is for sure i want to marry marry with

43:57Ben Mandelker: you know my biggest dream besides like marrying Maddie and having kids beyond that my biggest dream is like I want our sons to be best friends he's like uh well uh you know we don't have any sons yet right just say no he's like yeah well we'll see if I can uh if I can catch up to you and Maddie I'm scared that you're gonna be like popping out a baby in two years also again neither of us have children so and they're not guaranteed to be sons just want to put that out there to the world

44:23Ronnie Karam: dream there so on the screen we see r.i.p joe bradley's 20s and everyone's on their emo looks and so a lot of people start coming and they're back in the backstage area right now and he's like oh my god it's a dream come true it's amazing like the definition of punk rock is not giving a fuck what people think like seriously you guys even though i do care what people think especially

44:45Ben Mandelker: lovely lover yeah so uh yeah he's like really really excited to have love here so we see a flashback and he's like hey love it's my birthday weekend um so i don't know if you can get like a babysitter or like um maybe you can hire someone or maybe like can your baby like put on a wig can your baby can your baby put on like eyeliner i don't know like i just want like you and lamar to like come see like my show and like i don't i'm coming joe okay like i'm coming what what do

45:12Ronnie Karam: one yeah she's like just be quiet enough he's like oh okay great uh so he says if this is a bust he's like i don't think leva will ever take me seriously after this joe there's so many people here so uh levin and jordan arrive not lamar lamar's like no still no like still no not doing that uh yeah

45:34Ben Mandelker: jordan jordan has a lot to say this episode like as usual yeah here comes jordan with her rouge

45:41Ronnie Karam: today she's wearing emo ruse so love is like um i'm happy to see joe like taking a risk on himself but like i mean i'm proud of him in that sense i just think if you're gonna make all that effort like just do it at republic like he just essentially filled a competitor's space like it just circulates back to not thinking through and not communicating and that's very on brand for joe oh level fuck off give me a fucking break republic is the size of his shoe closet first of all this is like a venue that's holding 400 people for like dancing and a mosh pit and a concert and second of all who wants to have their party at work and third of all you've called this guy a loser all year why is he supposed to bring you work on his birthday

46:22Ben Mandelker: love us a mess yeah i do think that like the main the strongest point is like this is a concert your republic is not set up for that um but i do think like there is a there is a point to be made about like yeah put this energy into your job too i know you're trying to prove that you can do it

46:41Ronnie Karam: but you can also do it at your job well yeah i thought i would agree for sure so mia is like uh

46:49Ben Mandelker: it's like okay cool this is fun and they're all just like laughing and everything and maddie's like besides my look i think mia killed it she looks so emo but unlike emmy who's giving like britney spears hit me baby one more time and we see that emmy did dress like britney spears emmy is she's just completely disconnected from any sort of reality even costume reality she just can't do it i mean also like we i feel like we haven't even really dug in on her crazy um interview look where she's wearing this like white lacy figure skating look i mean she just looks she's just

47:21Ronnie Karam: absolutely bonkers this season she's totally deranged yeah she really is um so uh julia's pissed she's like oh my god i'm gonna cry i'm so angry and he's like yeah i mean she's mad personally i'm exhausted you know and so everybody just arrives and says hi to each other and we meet lake's girlfriend or her date at least and she's really cute and she's like i'm the queen of situationships like something's always happening boy girl other like nessa is so pretty i saw her around Republic and like, I get that tingly feeling.

48:01Ben Mandelker: And yeah, they're like, wow, like, oh my God, her girl's hot. And Michael's like, yeah, they look like cousins. And TJ goes, yeah, they look related. I just said that TJ, God, I'm not into it. And he says -

48:13Ronnie Karam: Low key, I'm not even gonna cap. Like we look alike. Maybe I just love myself.

48:19Ben Mandelker: So then Joe's like, hey everyone, welcome to Emo Night. it's joe's birthday whoa okay hey everyone so oh man i feel like i'm on top of the world right now like all my anxiety all the doubts out the window like this genre of music heals my soul like this is exactly how i was hoping tonight would go joe your outfit doesn't match god damn it mattie

48:43Ronnie Karam: sorry i love you i love you too so o'sheen comes he's like ah hello there it's me o'sheen no one's butt is safe. So O'Sheen is there and TJ's like, oh my god, it's the milkman. We're gonna have a mess.

48:58Ben Mandelker: Whenever O'Sheen's in town, there's gonna be a mess. And we see last year, like that fight that I totally forgot about between Maddie and Grace Lily. That's the prom party that they held. Where they're like, Hey, he don't even like you.

49:14Ronnie Karam: He likes me. What do you think about that? You don't get no milk from the milkman. He don't even like you. He only likes me.

49:23Ben Mandelker: So O'Sheen is like, Hello there. Are you guys friends? Are you girlfriend or what? What's happening? And Janessa's like, Ask Lake. She's like, I like her. It's like, Oh, but I thought we had something Lake. And TJ's like, The second worst secret, kept secret after Joe and Luann is O'Sheen and Lake. Like, I don't think any of us care if Lake had sex with O'Sheen.

49:43Ronnie Karam: We care about the characters. Yeah, they fucked after prom night last year. Oof. And, OOF. Yeah, but O'Sheen's like, He's too old and gross for Little Lake. I mean, was she 20, 21 last year? Leave her alone. He's looking pretty grody these days, too. So she laughs about it. She's like, I'm not even going to talk about it. That's all I have to say. So he's like, let's do a shot there, baby. Come on, do it for me, baby. And TJ's like, oh, my God, is he trying to have a threesome?

50:16Ben Mandelker: Isn't that wild? so joe's like yeah like huh the three-day love story was like lake and oisin oh and lake is like oh my god like i can't even talk about it oh that's all i have to say so then sally shows up she's like you any boys around this emo night

50:39Ronnie Karam: it's not just her it's also charlie and charlie is there with justin yikes and she's like oh my god i'm glad to be here like do i look like i normally go to an emo night he's like wait are you saying you just came for me she goes yeah really yeah wow and he tells us the jordan

51:02Ben Mandelker: situation it's just been it's been nothing short of abysmal and at this point me and mia are just friends so you know the boy's a free agent now and i really like charlie and she's on a tv show so

51:12Ronnie Karam: why not let's go for it yeah so they have like small talk like it's so refreshing to be around you oh my god you too she goes yeah i've known you for two days he goes yeah crazy and he said they found love in a hopeless place instagram dms and they grabbed drinks over the weekend and they had a pretty fucking amazing date you know i lied to her about locking myself out of my apartment and so we had a cheeky little sleepover and god that's it we've been with each other ever since

51:40Ben Mandelker: great built on a lie so Justin is like by the way I'm getting like the love bomber accusations she goes yes yes yes totally yeah yeah it's so funny because I'm being accused of being a love bomber to Craig so I totally get you yeah exactly Joe's happy because there's a mosh pit that's happening he's like this is what I've always wanted a mosh pit of my birthday dare to dream joe dare to dream and um janessa and like are just sort of talking about mia and janessa is like tell me what's going on and lake's like yeah well mia was just like she's just like a bitch i'm sick of mia and then like sally's like hey mia what's going on are you okay and mia's like no i'm sick of these these girls over here yeah and lake is like

52:28Ronnie Karam: blatantly talking about her you know like where you could see it she's like yeah that one over there that one she's just a bitch i hate her me is like oh my god what is going on with these women it's like fucking insane like i'm i'm taking off my hat like it's too damn hot i can't even deal with this i mean like i i can't have this energy like i can't have like this little girl being mad at me and making snotty faces at me like what the hell so she goes up and she's like can can i pull you outside and like it's like me but it's joe's birthday like i don't want to go out there like i just really want to get drunk enough from with my friends though so like i don't want to leave it's like come on it'll be 10 minutes she's no yeah no i would rather not

53:10Ben Mandelker: because well i would rather not have gotten yelled at at you by on friday but it happened anyway didn't it so she's like um she has nothing to say to me unless her little minions are around where she can be like, yeah, I said it. I did a good job. I did a good job yelling at me. I did nine minions. So Lake is like, guys, I'm not going to do this right now, okay? She's trying to have a conversation with me, and I don't want to have a conversation right now. I don't want to have a conversation right now. It's Joe's birthday, and we were having a very intimate, quiet birthday party for him, and I don't want to ruin the vibe.

53:41Ronnie Karam: So Mia walks away, but then Lake keeps going on to everybody else. Like, whatever. I don't want to talk to that bitch. bitch i don't want to talk to her she's like okay now i'm gonna get pissed okay because her fucking ugly ass could never be me and that's the whole thing well she's not ugly i mean but mia's getting mia is getting pissed and like it's like stop pointing at me because i'm not pointing

54:03Ben Mandelker: at you you keep pointing at me stop pointing at me at which point now lake is getting up to mia's face sort of pointing at mia because you want to talk about me don't put your hand in my face don't fucking touch me don't fucking touch me bitch because there's like a moment where there's like a hand on hand like pushing the hand away you're pointing you're pointing the hands touch and then it's like oh my god oh my god touching yeah so mia's like um i don't know like who she's

54:28Ronnie Karam: friends with or who she hangs out with or where she's from like why she can stick her hand in people's face but i'm from belize bitch and i went to school with barbed wire okay i will not

54:37Ben Mandelker: be disrespected um leg and leg is like fuck mia fuck that bitch she's eye-catching she is but she's also like a sociopath it's kind of like jennifer's body you've seen that movie where megan fox is beautiful but she's like a crazy psycho i'm gonna give the point to mia i think uh i'm from belize and went to school with barbed wire is stronger than you're like jennifer's body with megan fox i'm gonna mia wins this round but also mia's i mean mia's gotta be

55:09Ronnie Karam: like why do i have to fight with the 20 year old like yes what is this show come why are you making me do this show you know like why because you're never gonna win because even if you go get into a smackdown with a with a 22 year old you're still fighting with a kid you know yeah because

55:26Ben Mandelker: because like it's not that deep to me like i made out with justin like we're not even friends so like i really don't care and you're making it this whole big production and it's not that like and now we have to have this feud can we just like squash this and be like i don't it's like it's not that big of a deal but but you know lake is young she's 22 and she is doing the 22 year old day like oh my god like why would you do that like like okay like i love lake but she really is showing

55:51Ronnie Karam: her age right now yeah i think me and just needs to back off this one and not get into like smacking fights with this girl it's weird it's like fighting with a baby i got in a fight with my niece when she was a baby she was like sitting in the back seat and she took something from me and i took it back and she cried and i was like whatever and then we started like fighting and my sister was like you're fighting with a two-year-old i was like but she started it and she's like ronnie you're fighting with a two-year-old like at some point you just have to be the one to walk away not that i did i mean i got that candy back good but still that's right so um now julia yeah julia pulls emmy for a talk and emmy's like oh my god you want to have a talk with me okay yeah sure like oh my god okay why are you walking so fast okay you're walking really fast Okay, hold on a second.

56:37Ronnie Karam: Okay, okay, okay, I'm with you now.

56:40Ben Mandelker: I've known Julia for years. I influenced her to move here, and I encouraged her to date Brad. So I'm hoping Julia is an olive branch to help me mend my relationship with Brad. And I'm like, oh, finally, someone wants to talk. So Julia's like, okay, so over this last week, yeah, okay, just come down. I've heard that you were leading some sort of defaming of Bradley's name. What do you mean defaming of Bradley's name? She's like, I've heard that you're saying that he was drunkenly banging on your door in New York City and that you were naked and afraid in your bathroom, that he was making you feel unsafe.

57:16Ben Mandelker: You said he brought a chainsaw in and that he brought in 12 other people and that he aimed a gun at your face and that he was stalking you and that he's scary and he said something about Clarice and eating fava beans. He wants to actually eat humans. Does any of that sound familiar?

57:32Ronnie Karam: You're, I mean, I never said he was banging on my door. So, so I swear to God, never said that. I mean, you know, chainsaw stock, all that stuff. Yeah. But like in that moment, like the only thing I thought was like, oh my God, Brad is stocking my hotel room. Like that's it. That's what I was thinking at the time.

57:49Ben Mandelker: So it's like, I mean, we heard you screaming 12 doors down.

57:53Ronnie Karam: I wasn't screaming. I wasn't screaming. I wasn't even screaming though. So, you know what?

57:59Ben Mandelker: You've gotten away with this for way too fucking long. the words that you were using to describe bradley are so i'm not doing this i'm not doing this i'm not doing that you are you are you owe me a conversation okay and emmy like tries to go around the corner and and emmy's like i'm not doing this as a woman she's like no okay then like let's have a conversation around the other side of the corner we're going back to the other side of the corner okay okay we're going to have a talk and emmy of all people is like calm down jules emmy is going to tell someone to calm down you're the one hyperventilating and running away

58:26Ronnie Karam: And she's like, listen, what did he do to make you feel unsafe? Tell me. And she's like, Julia, I'm a fucking woman. So first of all, so like he stalked my hotel room. She's like, he did not stalk you. Yeah, yeah. Well, what I knew in the moment was that's what he had done. So that's like what I had with like the information I was given, which is like he was talking

58:50Ben Mandelker: me. I was going to Molly's room to apologize. Well, I didn't know that.

58:54Ronnie Karam: I don't know that. I don't know that. like how do i know that i don't know that we told you a million times so why the fuck are you not

59:00Ben Mandelker: listening why did you use those words to describe it again like i didn't ever talk about it julia

59:05Ronnie Karam: like what are you talking about like i'm being like so like i'm a woman like i'm a woman what are you talking about like i'm so confused i don't even know where she's getting this like what's your point like are you trying to make me look crazy like is that what you're trying to do make me look crazy and the producer says well do you have any idea why like why do you think she's lying do you think someone else lied and she goes oh my god like well then okay well like who have i even talked to and we see flashbacks of me talking to literally everybody in town so it's like the postman comes by she's like oh my god i was stalked and harassed and terrified naked in the shower and like this guy was like trying to murder me so his name is brad okay body by brad

59:46Ben Mandelker: terrifying i'm a 115 pound woman like when a man threatens you you are scared by the way the assumption is that you were threatened. There was no threat. There was nothing that was a threat. He said, you're dead to me too. That's it. That was not a threat. He was echoing what you said. She took the bitch.

1:00:03Ronnie Karam: She took the bitch and the dead to me. Like, um, you're threatening to murder me and you're calling me a bitch. So.

1:00:09Ben Mandelker: We see her talking to Lucia. So, like, flashback Lucia from season one. And she's like, Brad, obviously, like, you were intoxicated and you were angry and then you tried to scare me and be like, sleep with one eye open. And you made me feel, like, unsafe because, like, you intimidated me. you threatened me you stalked me and lucia's like what is what is wrong with you crazy white woman

1:00:28Ronnie Karam: then we see her sitting with a yoga teacher it's like yeah this guy was like stalking me he was

1:00:33Ben Mandelker: like stalking me and the yoga teacher's like that's lucia that was lucia oh that was lucia oh my god i didn't even recognize her yes she's like now we're all earth mother but lucia is the

1:00:44Ronnie Karam: yoga teacher oh i didn't even recognize her that's hilarious what is wrong with you i thought it was It's so funny, we just see her in yoga, and she's like, this is the Yamaste portion, or the Namaste portion of this evening, ma 'am.

1:00:57Ben Mandelker: She's like, okay, now we're gonna do some downward dog. Oh, now you're calling me a dog. Fine, fine. So, um. She's like, I'm in my hotel room,

1:01:05Ronnie Karam: I'm having a private conversation with my fiance and my mother, and he's eavesdropping in, and it's like his feelings got hurt because I have to apologize. Like, what? What?

1:01:16Ben Mandelker: You were screaming.

1:01:18Ronnie Karam: I was not screaming I'm screaming right now That was screaming This is not screaming

1:01:23Ben Mandelker: You got caught For what? For talking shit

1:01:27Ronnie Karam: In the privacy of my own hotel room Like I'm not allowed to talk in the privacy of my own hotel room

1:01:31Ben Mandelker: You were talking loud enough for us to hear you all the way in Charleston

1:01:35Ronnie Karam: It's how he made me feel Like okay He's not an unsafe man He's not like a scary man It's just in that moment he made me feel that way

1:01:45Ben Mandelker: Okay so why are you using those words?

1:01:47Ronnie Karam: Well, because he called me a fucking dumb bitch.

1:01:50Ben Mandelker: He did not call you a dumb bitch.

1:01:52Ronnie Karam: Yeah, like I'm saying in the context of the sentences that he used, like, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, Julia, like, don't you, don't you know, like, that morning, like, with me and Will, like, I don't, I don't even think you know, like, how bad it was. Like, you don't even know.

1:02:05Ben Mandelker: She's like, I could sit here in tears, just like you are, to say exactly how Brad was feeling this morning.

1:02:11Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but like, like, I didn't even work last week. Like, I couldn't even sleep or I couldn't even eat. I mean, I normally don't do either of those things anyway, but like I couldn't even if I wanted to

1:02:21Ben Mandelker: Just like I couldn't even put together a really nice charcuterie platter last week. She's like why because you knew you fucked up

1:02:27Ronnie Karam: No, like no Jules because I'm like not allowed to feel the way he made me feel Jules

1:02:32Ben Mandelker: And you're making him feel the way like just as you are

1:02:35Ronnie Karam: Like who gives a fuck his actions are the one It's an action

1:02:41Ben Mandelker: Julia's like me I give a fuck And you will never fucking understand Because you are a white privileged ass bitch

1:02:49Ronnie Karam: Julia What does that even have to do What are you talking about

1:02:54Ben Mandelker: Because you don't understand

1:02:56Ronnie Karam: Don't even get any closer to me Do not even get closer to me I just want to let you know

1:03:03Ben Mandelker: We're done The tears and the I'm sorry Don't mean a god damn thing

1:03:07Ronnie Karam: and julie just and then she just drops him yeah she just completely drops the tears and the whole act it's like okay whatever then because she's so you send your girlfriend to fight your battles um

1:03:17Ben Mandelker: you do realize that that's what you did all of last season for will just so you know

1:03:23Ronnie Karam: yeah this is literally you fighting your boyfriend's battles because the whole battle

1:03:28Ben Mandelker: was that will was cheating on you yes that was great julia was what a great display of like solidarity with your boyfriend i mean she really she really is great just spelled it all out for emmy and i love when she was she also was like very reasonable too she's like yeah what you're saying right now emmy how you feel that's how brad feels she's sort of saying like you're okay to like like what you're feeling i'm not saying that you're it's invalid but you have to consider what brad is feeling and the difference is that what you're saying about brad could mess up everything in his life in a way that it won't mess up anything in your life and i thought julia was just great it was actually it was inspiring to me you know i think it's like it was uh julia was like wallpaper when you're tripping and you don't know that you're tripping out like you've just

1:04:17Ronnie Karam: taken whatever like mushrooms or whatever and you're like that's just wallpaper and then like a long time goes by and you're like there's wallpaper and then all of a sudden the wallpaper starts moving and you're like oh my god that wallpaper is fascinating because julia this whole time i'm like julia is julia even take her pulse take her pulse is there anybody in there and julia came to life tonight i was like yes julia she was great um i thought when you said

1:04:42Ben Mandelker: she's like wallpaper when you're tripping up i thought you're gonna be like you know when you fall over and you reach for something and you just try to all you can get is the wallpaper and you tear off a piece of it by accident and you look at it you say that was really pretty i was like

1:04:52Ronnie Karam: where's ronnie going with this tripping bowls so yeah good for her so she goes over to brad and she's like yeah uh she's fucking crazy she was saying like uh he was talking me and i was like no he's not and so he's like yeah i knew that wouldn't go anywhere but you know at least she

1:05:12Ben Mandelker: tried yeah she's a bit he's like yeah she just doesn't take accountability for anything and she's like no use you're saying he drunkenly banged on your fucking door and you felt unsafe and he's talked to you are you fucking kidding me like that didn't happen and she's like yeah she's a liar but she's like yeah they both both have given up and um brad feels great though because he's like wow i have a girlfriend who's gonna ride for me and that's like really important and so they hug and it's a really nice moment but meanwhile emmy is still spiraling and so she gets bella and she's like oh my god oh my god oh my god i need a cigarette i need a cigarette right

1:05:45Ronnie Karam: now oh my god oh my god dumb fucking bitch like have i not gone like through fucking and i'm like i can't even have a minute to just enjoy fucking jose's party i just like i can't like go what the fuck and bella's like okay whoa whoa calm down and inside they're watching and like what's up and brad's catching them up on what an idiot she is so bella's like so did you take ownership for what you said in any of that it's like oh my god i couldn't even get there because like she's like she's i mean i tried like i would try like i like it would be nice if i could like express that you know like if i wasn't being stalked and harassed like you someone's threatening to murder me while i'm helpless and naked in the shower like i'm a girl

1:06:25Ben Mandelker: i'm a woman emmy who keeps keeps on she keeps on saying that she tried to express things you know you had plenty of chances in the conversation so uh bella's like okay i'm telling you for the time being drop it fuck no i am not dropping this i'm not dropping this no i am not dropping this would you drop this no like uh yeah i would drop it i would drop it how many more times you need people on tv to tell you what you're doing is a microaggression okay it's kind of racist you're

1:07:00Ronnie Karam: on tv stop it but god to take that and not only not take the advice of the people who are on the show you go and you start telling the entire town worse stuff like you start making up crazier like adding on to it what the fuck is wrong with this lady she's just fucking crazy she's like lost her

1:07:20Ben Mandelker: marbles she's like i need to have a conversation with brad blank period not fucking julia bradley

1:07:25Ronnie Karam: carter brad brad brad you've made it so bad no one owes you a conversation you're lucky if you're not iced out of this entire season so julia's like yeah i'll never be put in bradley's shoes and she'll never be put in bradley's shoes and michael's is like yeah because you're black duh She goes, yeah, and that's that. So Michael says, yeah, Emmy's just trying to prove that Brad's wrong and she's right. It's not about her feeling unsafe. She's going to talk to anybody and then only tell her side of the story. Why is she still talking about it? Oh, my God.

1:07:59Ben Mandelker: Yeah. So then they get emo-ish. And they're like, let's get back to partying. And Maddie's like, this is for my boyfriend, Joe Bradley. I want to see you all rock out for him. And then she throws an eraser into the audience. He's like, but wait, I was about to use that.

1:08:14Ronnie Karam: I needed that. I needed that. It's like, this is the best light of not only my life, but Joe's life too, probably. Like, this is epic. And like, I'm so proud of him after a hell of a week we just had. Like, he's so great. It's amazing. So everyone's like, oh my God, this was great. And Joe thanks Leva for coming. He's like, you made my entire birthday. Like, thank you so much.

1:08:34Ben Mandelker: Leva's like, you know what? The room is full. The vibe is high. I'm wearing a stupid hat. I think Joe is smart to partner with somebody who was established demo night guys from my perspective It looks like Joe. It's like a very successful event And he's like yeah, who's the boss like no, I'm happy for you That's just all I want is for you to be happy. I just want you to be happy She basically says I've always seen Joe's Joey bottles and it's always been flooring VIP I never know never knew about concert Joe. So if it's what makes you happy do it

1:09:04Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so it's like oh my god like I'm gonna do this forever and so he goes and gives a birthday speech and he's like yeah i fucking did i pulled this off my fucking 20s fuck all the haters i can make money while crowd surfing like i never have to grow up now are you proud of me dad that was the end of a very emo episode and that's it all right everybody thanks so much for being here we will talk to you next time bye Bye.

1:10:03Ronnie Karam: Big yay, it's Emily Gauthier.

1:10:06Ben Mandelker: Erin McNicholas, she don't miss no trick-a-less. You'll never hide from Heidi Eleanor Jones. I go, you go, we all go for Hugo. Jamie, she has no less namey.

1:10:16Ronnie Karam: Sips some scotch with Jessica Trotch.

1:10:18Ben Mandelker: She's not a McBee, she's a McBride. Jess McBride. She's our favorite streamer, Caroline Peacock.

1:10:24Ronnie Karam: Kristen the Piston Anderson. Que sera, sera, whatever we'll be, we'll Lauren Sillsby. She gets an A from us, it's Lindsay D. Let's give a kisserino to Lisa Lino Fresh as a daisy It's Maisie McHenry

1:10:38Ben Mandelker: Aren't you glad it's Marianne Arns?

1:10:41Ronnie Karam: Megan Berg You can't have a burger without the Berg

1:10:44Ben Mandelker: This is Livin' with Michelle Vivian

1:10:47Ronnie Karam: I love a ya, Olivia Williamson She sure is swell It's Raquel Yes we canna, it's Sadana

1:10:54Ben Mandelker: Cast a spell with Shannon Spellman Let's share with Sharon Eldridge Darn skippy, it's tippy

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1:11:26Ben Mandelker: Who, what, why, where, and Gwen Pentland. Nobody holds a candle to Jamie Kendall. We got our wish. It's Jen Plisch. My favorite Murdo, Karen McMurdo. Let's get savage with Laura Wildman. In the study with a candlestick, it's Leslie Peacock. We're ride or die for Lisa Ryder Barron. She's a whiz. It's Liz Sarthy. Always killing it. It's Lola Alkalani. Roger that. It's Marlis Rogers.

1:11:51Ronnie Karam: The incredible edible Matthews sisters. She eases our woes. It's Melissa St. Rose. She's the lady of the house. It's Rachel Sharaus. There's a chance of meatballs. It's Rebecca Cloud. She's our princess. It's Rebecca Prince.

1:12:05Ben Mandelker: Maximum love for Sandy Maximoska. She's the queen bee. It's Sarah Lemke. We cannot tell a lie. It's Sarah Talafson. Shannon out of a cannon Anthony. Please don't stop. It's Soli and Pop. Let's take off with Tam LaPlane. Strike a pose. It's Tori Rose.

1:12:23Ronnie Karam: She ain't no shrinking Violet Kuchar. We love you guys.

1:12:32We'll be right back.

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