#3332 RHOBH S15E19 Part Two: Amandatory Tear Down

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1:48Ben Mandelker: Hello and welcome to Watch What Happens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. Now, this is part two of the recap. If you missed part one, go check out your podcast feed. It's right there. And without further ado, let's get right back into the recap.

2:01Ronnie Karam: So we come back and Dorit's like, well, you keep saying this coil that everyone else is having the erratic conversation with you. So I'm going to ask everyone, Amanda, did you go to Kyle and say Dorit is acting Amanda? And Amanda's like, uh, Sutton, did you go to Kyle and say Amra? And I was like, oh, my God, is she going to literally go around to every person? Come on, Tarif. I'm trying to be on your side, but you're killing me here.

2:23Ben Mandelker: I just drove my son across the country, and you want to ask me these questions. Okay, next person. I'll tell you who's being erratic.

2:29Ronnie Karam: The snack machines that are no longer dropping Fritos when people are pressing the buttons because my son is not there to fix them. Okay. How do you think that makes my deal?

2:38Ben Mandelker: Excuse me. I was only relating it to my own experience when I first separated. I'm feeling very all over the place and ADHD and not clear and working out too much and scattered, and that's all I meant by erratic. And then it came a whole huge thing. I'm like, yes, well, maybe you should have sat down with Dorit and said, hey, when I was separating from Mauricio, it sort of made me unfocused, yada, yada, yada. I want to do a check-in with you because you've been running later than usual. I noticed you were spending a lot of money, and I want to make sure everything is okay because it has me a little concerned.

3:14Ben Mandelker: And something like that. But she didn't do that. Well, this just also wasn't true.

3:18Ronnie Karam: I mean, this wasn't anything. It's not true what Kyle is saying. Kyle went around all season being, oh, my God, you guys, something's wrong with Dorit. Have you noticed how she's acting? And they're like, not really. Well, I mean, you know, like there's like the being late thing. And then there's, I mean, I don't know. Dorit's just like ever since her divorce. Compared to how you acted and how Erica acted when shit was hitting the fan, you were sobbing in Aspen, screaming at everybody, losing your shit all over the floor shaking dorit being like yo yo choosing kathina you weren't acting fucking insane dorit has not done any of that i don't know how they're getting this like dorit is late the whole plot of this show with dorit is that dorit is always late we all know it it's disgusting i think it's horrible behavior on dorit's part by the way but other than that what did she even do i just don't get like why actually complaints even is i mean i'm

4:16Ben Mandelker: not gonna go so hard and be like oh like what did she even do because let's be honest we we all again we've said this before and that you've sort of mentioned it when people go through these breakups they do have like this period where they just become really self-involved and they just all they talk about is the breakup all they do is the break everything is just about it and it's like it's a drain and it's a lot and you see them acting out and they go through it that people go through it and so i for sure believe that dorita is probably acting in ways where they're like oh my god like she needs to like rein it in a little bit but i don't think like you said i think erica acted way more you know deranged when she went through her thing as well and i don't think that there was nearly this much energy put into it from Kyle, you know, at all.

5:08Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Yeah, I just don't see the energy coming back the other way. Like, I think that when they were going through their stuff, Dorit was like, oh, honey, that's bad, and kind of being on their side, whereas she's late and they're like, oh, my God. And I say they, but I mean Kyle, because Erica's stuff didn't really come until the end. But I think Kyle is just, you know, trying to build this case the whole time, And it's like, no one did that to you. You know, if anyone should be nice, it should be you because she was supportive during your stupid divorce or the beginning of your separation.

5:41Ben Mandelker: I think really, I think what we are all detecting is that Kyle, having just gone through it, Kyle, having witnessed Erica go through this and all of them having seen this or been through it should just be coming from more of a space of empathy, you know, of like, okay, Dorit, we understand what you're going through. We've been through it too. We're here to help you. Whatever. But not like, oh, my God, she's just acting really erratic. I think the erratic thing really was that's that is the sticking point there. And I think that even though Kyle says I used the wrong word, I don't think that she believes she used the wrong word.

6:16Ronnie Karam: Yeah, because then she's saying I used the wrong word. I mean, maybe I just met like me, you know, because I get ADD or I get this and that or I get, you know, maybe I work out too much. Yeah. But then when Dorit said, Kyle, you're acting a little weird, like you're working out all the time. You're with this other friend and ignoring everybody else all the time. Kyle had a fit about it. It was like, oh, really? We're not even real friends. I don't even know what you're talking about. I've never been your friend. I mean, you don't even exercise. So it's just, you know, it's just kind of hypocritical.

6:43Ronnie Karam: So then Dorit's like, okay, look. Because Kyle's like, you're trying to be like, you're taking what everyone else is saying and you're trying to make me look bad about it. And she's like, okay, listen, Kyle, I'm trying to stick with one thing right now. At one point, I spent$4 ,000 in one of Rachel's friend's stores, and they cleared that store just for us to shop. And nobody bought anything but me. And I didn't want to not buy anything because it was Rachel's friend's store who was starving of the Hinkins. And if I hadn't bought something, Rachel's friend would have been out on the street looking like a stick with a caftan on it with hair dragged all over the street.

7:20Ronnie Karam: That's Rachel. Sorry, Rachel. No offense. But you know, I was helping the poor people of the Hamptons

7:27Ben Mandelker: You know what? If I didn't help them, they were going to be sent off to Quag And we don't want that You know, I'm being judged by you And having you go around to the group and saying That's a lot of money to be spending Especially coming from you of all people And Kyle's like, um, well, you know what? I'm not in the same financial position as you, sorry And Toreet's like, oh I mean, that's true I mean, Kyle is much better off than Toreet But it's also funny because they also raked Sutton over the coals last year for saying basically the same thing. Like, pick on someone whose wallet fits.

8:02Ronnie Karam: Yeah, that was Kyle's wallet fits moment. And then everyone's fine with it. You know, Dorit was. And I mean, Dorit just laughed because she gasped and then she laughed because that's so low. It's like, that's the lowest. It's like, oh, well, you're poor. So, yikes. So, Dries, I have to even know my financial position because you speak to Mo and Mo speaks to PK. Just see it, Kyle. And Erica goes, well, your house is being closed on. Okay, you.

8:28Ben Mandelker: Yeah, that's the thing. I feel like Kyle. Who the fuck are you? Basically, what this comes down to, what this really ultimately comes down to is you're spending a lot of money and you don't have any money. And I know you don't have a lot of money. And whatever money you do have, PK is going to take. So, you shouldn't be spending this money if you were smart. But I don't want to say that on TV. So I'll just heavily imply it. But it's just funny because Kyle never came for Erica for what Erica spends. And first of all, we can tell Erica is facing$25 million, this$25 million lawsuit, and has all these other debts and creditors and all this stuff, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

9:03Ben Mandelker: So it just always feels hypocritical with Kyle. It just feels like there's a larger thing that she's trying to go for that she's mad about.

9:12Ronnie Karam: Yeah, two things I would say. Erica did downsize, but she was forced into downsizing, right? Because everything was being taken. So Erica did downsize and do all of that and supposedly spend less, even though she's still driving around Ferraris or whatever the fuck. Porsche or whatever she's driving around. But yeah, Erica's a fucking hypocrite. She needs to stay quiet in this section. Because you're right, no one gave her shit over the financial stuff. And they really should have. Because Erica was really bragging for years and years about all this money stuff. But then you've got Dorit. Dorit has never had the money that her and PK have been spending.

9:45Ronnie Karam: I don't know. You want to talk about a house of cards. Dorit and PK have been living on top of one forever. I cannot believe it hasn't crumbled. I mean, we've seen her being followed around by that lady like, why don't you pay my friend back all the money you owe him at that swimming pool? I mean, it's been swirling for years that these two are about to go down. So as far as Kyle knows, and Kyle knows all this shit. So as far as Kyle knows, Dorit has always been spending above her means. And she's always been doing this stuff. She's just choosing to make it an issue now because she's trying to turn everyone against Dorit.

10:17Ronnie Karam: Like, if this was your real problem with Dorit, then you would have had this conversation years ago.

10:22Ben Mandelker: Mm-hmm. Yeah. So, Dorit is like, well, I hope to God things stay amicable between you and Mo. I really hope nothing turns. Kar goes, me too. But if and when it does, which may be very soon when you claim next week that you own half the agency, but if and when it does, maybe, just maybe, you'll find it difficult to sit in rooms and talk to your girlfriends for support, only to find out they're either judging you, talking behind your back, giving themselves bangs, or suggesting, oh yeah, your husband doesn't seem like that. I'm so surprised.

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13:24Ben Mandelker: speaking of your finances and by the way dorit has a great point there which is like she just wants the support of her girlfriends and just at like every moment kyle is is like being like well what about this why did you do this why did you do that and i think that's why this whole erratic thing is not hitting dorit properly that's why she's upset about it because it's not that kyle just says this in a vacuum she's saying it in the larger context of having been a shitty friend to Dorit during this entire process of like sending jokes and means to PK last year and having to be told multiple times to stop and then reluctantly stopping it and then being like, see, I'm not texting PK.

14:04Ben Mandelker: I'm not texting PK. And then turning it into, well, I apparently I, oh, no, no, no, like everything becomes about Kyle and oh my God, I can't say these things, but Boz can say it. Kyle has not been a friend, like a good girlfriend. And also there's been the larger context of Kyle denying that they even were friends two years ago. So in the background of all that, if Kyle says, yeah, she's been acting erratic, yeah, that's going to really piss off Dorit because she just doesn't know what Kyle's motivations are anymore. It's not coming from a pure place. And Kyle seems shocked that the purity of her intentions are questioned.

14:36Ben Mandelker: But the truth is that she poisoned her own will.

14:39Ronnie Karam: Yes. And I think she is totally on PK side and trying to work against Dorit. I mean, it's the only thing that makes sense. She hates Dorit's guts. I'm sure she still sees PK with Mauricio and all of that. So, well, she and it was. And also this was happening behind Dorit's back for the longest time. She didn't find this out until like halfway through the season that Kyle was saying all this shit behind her. She thought she was fine with Kyle. So, well, I don't know. Fine, but better with Kyle. And then Kyle kept starting this shit with everybody behind her back. So, you know, Kyle. Also, Kyle Dorit has been helping you with your tricks for years.

15:17Ronnie Karam: She knows what your tricks are. She's helped you do it to other people. So she knows what you're doing, Kyle.

15:22Ben Mandelker: Where do we think that Kyle lost her taste for Dorit? It seemed like it happened around the Morgan Wade era. Was it because, was it the Dorit and Mauricio rumors? Was that it?

15:34Ronnie Karam: I thought the moment I saw it turn was when Dorit took Kathy's side in Aspen. Oh, yeah. When Kyle was going crazy against Kathy and Dorit's like, okay well maybe you're like overreacting a little bit like i don't think kathy is doing all these big evil things that you say she's that was it she didn't even go that far she was just like not screaming at kathy for kyle and kyle had a fucking fit and then later at the reunion um there was something with kathy too that she was like why are you sticking up for kathy

16:06Ben Mandelker: that was a hundred percent it thank you i totally forgot about that it was a hundred percent that She bit off Dorit's head for no reason, but over that stupid argument. And then, yeah, and then it's been downhill ever since. And she intentionally withheld anything about Morgan Wade from Dorit, I think, to punish her and then act like they weren't friends. Okay. So moving on. Otherwise, we're going to be here for five more hours. So Dorit's like, yeah, you better hope it stays amicable. So, and he goes, speaking of your finances, last year at this stage, we discussed our home being in pre-foreclosure.

16:38Ben Mandelker: But you had thought then that Piquet was soldered. So I thought. But it turns out that he had, the only thing he had taken out of pre-foreclosure was a can of Pringles. The rest is still being seized by the bank.

16:51Ronnie Karam: And all he meant by pre-foreclosure is that he hadn't closed the Pringles. He left them open. I said, why? Where is the closure? Please, Piquet.

17:03Ben Mandelker: Apparently he had said, pee foreclosure as in hand me a Pringle. He calls them pees sometimes because he's going to be closing his mouth around it. And Erica goes,

17:12Ronnie Karam: could you downsize? Oh, God, Erica. I don't know. Will her husband's lawyer front her the money to get a house in West Hollywood? Erica. Well, it's not about stinging the hoose. It's about the fact that I believed he was paying the mortgage. So I was blindsided. Dorit, now, you were not completely blindsided. You know that you all have not been able to pay that shit for years. But I'll go with you on this. PK did say apparently he was going to pay the mortgage. Why you're trusting PK, I still don't know. Do you have a lawyer? Do we know yet if Dorit even, what is she doing?

17:48Ben Mandelker: I don't have a lawyer, but what I do have are several bikini bottoms from Beverly Beach. I think that will do pretty well.

17:55Ronnie Karam: I do have a lawyer. That's the person who makes different kinds of coleslaw in case pk stops by to see the children to stay away from the chips this lawyer um it's my fault to get the rubbish into him i should have been checking and not trusted or

18:12Ben Mandelker: believed him so you weren't checking that he was bearing the mortgage no do you even know what a mortgage is isn't that who kyle's dating that's morgan not mortgage so a mortgage is not a lesbian

18:27Ronnie Karam: country singer. No.

18:29Ben Mandelker: She has not said either way what her orientation is. So let's not make any assumptions about Morgan Wade.

18:38Ronnie Karam: What do I care where she's from? She could be from the Orient. She could be from Russia. What do I know? Orientation, Dorit.

18:47Ben Mandelker: What is it, the first day of school? I have a question. I have to get this off my chest. Kyle, how much was it? Uh, what? The thing that she weighed. What do you mean? Morgan Wade. What did she weigh? What was it? Wade. W-A-D-E.

19:09Ronnie Karam: It's her last name, Very Little. She's a tiny, tiny girl. She can't have weighed much. By the way, did you see that Morgan Wade was cast on the new show, Dutton Ranch, the new Taylor Sheridan, whatever, the new Yellowstone spinoff?

19:27Ben Mandelker: I did not see that. It's going to be star Morgan Wade. But it's so funny because I saw a commercial with that lady, like Kelly, Kelly, who's in Yellowstone. You know what? Oh, yeah, I liked her. I've already bored myself with this. So good for Morgan Wade. You did it. So anyway, yeah, PK is going to pay things and it's supposed to be up to date and yada, yada, yada. so then Dorita's like listen I know exactly what I need to be doing everyone okay well people have been shocked over your lack of knowledge regarding your finances wait let me scratch that people have

20:03Ronnie Karam: been like shocked over your lack of knowledge I was gonna say just period period Amanda I have declared the stoopment you said about me about outsourcing my financial well-being to a man and that it didn't go well and Amanda's just like uh-huh okay and we see the clip of Eddie going maybe she's intimidated by you girl and Amanda's like because I'm young and successful and not financially dependent on Amanda and she's outsourced her financial well-being to Amanda and it didn't go well

20:38Ben Mandelker: and

20:39Ronnie Karam: that was a good quote I forgot that's the best quote Amanda had all season that was the quote in the preview that we were like, oh my God, this housewife is going to be amazing because she gave us another Erica Jane. It was in the snow and we got burglarized and the burglar came in and then Tom and the I, whatever.

20:56Ben Mandelker: That was the only one. That was the only time she ever had that moment. Russ was like, can I get some ceremonial great almond milk? By the way, I did see on threads, I forgot to mention this like two weeks ago, someone was like, oh God, this woman, half almond milk, half oatmeal milk and she was like, yes, she said, oatmeal milk for the creaminess, almond milk because it's fewer calories. So that is the method to her madness if anyone is wondering about. I'm sure that difference of calories between going all almond milk versus half and half. Wow, that's the difference between two sizes of jeans.

21:36Ben Mandelker: Huge.

21:36Ronnie Karam: You know, it is funny though because housewives does seep into your brain when you watch it a lot. And I was at the coffee shop the other day and I was like, oh, I'm going to get a matcha. That's fine. because I hear about it on this show. That's why it was in my head. I got it. It was the nastiest shit I've ever tasted. I was like, what is this, mud? I think I used to get it where it had sweetness and milk, and I don't know what this was, but it was nasty. So thanks a lot, Amanda. You made me waste$7.

22:04Ben Mandelker: Go fuck yourself. So, okay. So Dorit is like saying, listen, Amanda, I did not outsource my financial well-being to any man. PK was just coming out of bankruptcy when I met him. And we built everything together. And she's like, okay. So that statement is not only inaccurate. It was offensive. And so, by the way, what did they build together?

22:28Ronnie Karam: Yeah, could we have a list?

22:31Ben Mandelker: That sounds great.

22:32Ronnie Karam: Because the one I have is not very promising. I can tell you that. I know. Beaches by Derry or Beverly Beach, the Buca di Peppo room, the Shahada wedding dress thing whatever that was what else do we have PK Boy George I mean how much could that be ringing in no offense boy PK's TV show in London that lasted like 10 episodes

22:56Ben Mandelker: or something oh she did she got to do that that Pantone

23:00Ronnie Karam: yeah she got to do the the Panama the Panama thing so yeah I don't know so that was offensive offensive Amanda and Rachel's like yeah it feels like you're insulting a lot of women who have had children and decided to focus

23:15Ben Mandelker: on raising their children instead of making money yeah dare you yeah um so uh she's like well i don't believe that whatsoever she's well no look you have you you can have a man be in charge of money and still know what's going on with your money even if you're like not making the money personally and that can be a totally wonderful life. I mean, look at my husband. He would love to be in charge of the money. Unfortunately, he's a huge pussy and can barely make 10 cents every single day.

23:49Ronnie Karam: Well, I was shocked because I thought she doesn't do me too. But she does because what she's saying is exactly you. I mean, I don't think it's crazy advice to be like, know what's going on in your money. And we see other housewives tell each other that all the time. And Amanda's like, listen, And all I want is all I want is we're all women to know what's going on with their money. And I don't think that not knowing is a good plan. And I can see that it would be hurtful, though. So I'm sorry, Dorit. And then he's like, Dorit, as we close out this godforsakenly boring segment about Dorit, what's the state of your divorce proceedings?

24:24Ronnie Karam: So she's like, listen, every time you ask me, I would really be like to be saying everything is good. But I just can't. You know what? It wasn't the truth. But right now, think good. This is the first time in two years that things are good. Things are good, Andy.

24:41Ben Mandelker: I'm really happy to hear that. Yeah, I'm just kidding. I wasn't really listening to what you said. Well, I've been waiting for you to ask me how things are, and I just couldn't wait to tell you. Thanks a lot for waiting all the way to the end of my segment to just ask the simple question, how are things with me and PK? Thanks a lot.

24:58Ronnie Karam: Okay, moving on. Just one more thing, Andy. Oh, God. I just wanted to say, I have been going. Through so much. Okay, we're moving on. All right, Amanda. This season, money queen Amanda Francis was the new girl on the block. And everybody hates her guts. Let's watch some Amanda clips. So we see Amanda just being annoying as hell. I'm the breadwinner. I've always been the breadwinner. I love being the breadwinner. I love it. Let's be clear. I bought the house. Eddie and I have renovated it together, but I bought it.

25:32Ben Mandelker: well Amanda not since Camille Grammer in season one have I seen someone enter and light up the audience so fast excuse me I know Camille Grammer I've watched Camille Grammer and you Amanda

25:45Ronnie Karam: Francis are no Camille Grammer I was shocked that Andy said this but I think this was also the biggest diss because Camille Grammer was the most hated housewife of all time when she first came on you know and uh i think i'm just saying that not everybody really liked her that much

26:04Ben Mandelker: when she gave off you know often it's just so upsetting

26:12Ronnie Karam: uh so this was a huge diss i mean she was like on the cover of what was it people or time or something and it was like the most hated housewife of all time camille grammar well judy from judytown

26:25Ben Mandelker: asked does amanda realize every time she talks about her husband she makes him sound like a freeloader okay well i want to clear something up and he's and he works he's a wonderful man he takes care of me in million ways and he knows i'm super proud of the fact that i make more money than him he tries like every day he goes out to that curb and he puts out a little skillet and says money please money please money and sometimes he brings back 25 and i'm like you did it good for you and then I feed him some soup and the next day he goes out and does it again it's so cute

27:02Ronnie Karam: but how did they feel about you putting him on blast my ex would have died my ex would have died

27:09Ben Mandelker: well the only thing that Eddie said was um you know and Rachel's oh yeah because like you said that you paid for the house no no I did pay for the house I just want more women to know that they can do it too they can buy houses but like out of respect for your husband to endorse you

27:27Ronnie Karam: like maybe you shouldn't say that she's like well the only thing he did say was like you know when i said i make more than a month and then he makes in a year he said that's true and maybe you didn't have to say it that way and it is true i was like okay so you didn't listen to him at all he's like uh that's kind of embarrassing she's like i don't care so erica says well you see how you're potentially planting seeds of contempt that could blossom years down the road? Because if you plan to be with this man forever, when you say things like this, they get buried, they fester. They fester.

28:02Ben Mandelker: Yeah, but like, as he sees the things as this show comes out, we're next to each other in bed, and we're talking, and I can say, hey, this is what I meant, and if you want to have food on your plate tomorrow, you'll say, it's okay, I forgive you. Otherwise, you can try to find some scraps on the street.

28:19Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but you know, it's gonna fester You know, seeds are being planted And then they're gonna blossom And the shit fucks up And then you're gonna pay for it later Trust me Later you're gonna be standing on some tiny street In some shithole out West Hollywood Whatever that is Wondering the next time you're gonna They're gonna try and force you to go to prison Because two queens are chasing you for an Amex bill That you went to the feds about

28:40Ben Mandelker: So you're telling me how my husband feels Is that what you're doing right now?

28:46Ronnie Karam: Well, I'll tell you I'll tell you when you emasculate your husband to a dorsio like it doesn't matter how much money is made I would just never say that about anybody especially on television Rachel I don't know if you've heard what you've been saying on television lately but also I'm not really worried about a man being emasculated

29:06Ben Mandelker: that's the thing I actually did not love that it's more like you don't want to like ridicule your partner how much your partner is making it's not about emasculation like men do enough shit that like if a guy gets emasculated once in a while they can deal with it okay but it's like you don't want to ridicule the person that you love like it's just like an obnoxious thing to say and you can like try to like you know guss it up by saying I just want people to know that they can like make money it's okay for women to make money they can make more than their husband that's fine but like you're ridiculing your husband and that's the part that's your life partner and like you

29:49Ronnie Karam: shouldn't be doing that i think sudden explained it better she's like well look at myself okay like with my marriage if he said those things about me like well i'm the bread maker i brought this house and this and that and then you know there's little old me with my baby arms like well great for you you know i mean that builds up resentment is what we're saying so i thought that

30:07Ben Mandelker: was a better way to say it i can't believe if my husband ever said he was the bread maker i'd be like, oh, and where's my bread? You're the bread maker. Oh, was I supposed to say bread winner?

30:16Ronnie Karam: I'd say, you know what? You take up a lot of counter space, really, for something that just brings out big, thick blocks of bread that smell like nothing but yeast. Never understood those machines. I guess

30:29Ben Mandelker: now would be a good time to admit that my ex-husband was just a machine.

30:34Ronnie Karam: Oh, this isn't a gang up on you, by the way. This is life. Okay, Erica. Well, I asked him if he felt demasculated. He said no. I mean, granted, it was while he was waxing my legs, but still.

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33:30Ben Mandelker: Okay, so the criticism will not limit it now you speak to Eddie. I mean, you were also getting critiqued for millennial phrases, bragging about your... By the way, I love that, critique for millennial phrases. Bragging about designer labels. Was there anything in particular that surprised you about the heat that you got? Well, I mean, the designers a bit. I thought I was on a show about rich women with cool shit and a lot of designer talk. And then this is where Erica goes, that's one part of the show you're on. It's not the lead part of the show you're on. The lead part is your fucking heart and soul.

33:59Like, Erica, can we see those yet?

34:02Ben Mandelker: It's been about nine years.

34:03Ronnie Karam: You have never had a heart and soul? This is your ninth year on television. What are you talking about? The only time you showed any kind of emotion is when you got your money taken away. You know, which is a big one.

34:13Ben Mandelker: You only just found out about empathy.

34:15Ronnie Karam: You learned about empathy last year.

34:19Ben Mandelker: Yeah, just Erica is not the person to be saying this. I'm sorry.

34:23Ronnie Karam: She's like, and also the bragging. Erica has done nothing but brag on this show until she lost it but she spent six, seven years talking about oh my private plane, they can't do this look what I have, look at my Chanel this and my Versace this

34:36Ben Mandelker: so please, please but I think that the vibe of this show is that you're not supposed to just be like I got this and I got this and I got this you just are supposed to say hi everyone and then you wait for Kyle to be like oh my god, is that like a Fendi? oh yeah, I got this, I got this, I got this you have to be asked first And if you ask, if you're asked first, then you can, then you have free reign to be like, I got this, this, this, this, this.

34:58Ronnie Karam: It is, it is an art form to come on this show and not come off like a total asshole. You know, it's like, I have all of these things. I'm fabulous, you know? And I think that's one thing that a lot of them do well on the show. Vanderpump was the queen of it. I don't feel like she was ever like. Jennifer Tilly is a little bit tacky. I think sometimes whenever they say something, it's like, well, this is a channel. You know, she is kind of tacky, but it's like so fun. It's like she does. She's so fun and cute about it. And also she's so excited because she's really collecting vintage. Yeah. She imbues excitement.

35:31Ronnie Karam: Yeah. It's like her hobby. You know, she's like a hobby. I don't know. Amanda's just kind of that. I don't know. Kind of trashy. It's like you're in a cheesecake factory and there's someone she's like a Teresa a jude ice type who's just wearing a chanel that's kind of crooked on the logo kind of crooked on the t-shirt and then she's wearing like lv printed skirt and then you know everything's labels labels labels and she's like look it's lv yeah it's also like what she's bragging about is like

36:03Ben Mandelker: so basic on this show like yes those are designer labels yes they are expensive but like you just went to the store and got it whereas like there's a certain amount of curation that someone like jennifer tilly has or access that sutton has that like it's like oh i got this from a special place but but amanda's just kind of from my impression is accessing this clothing the way teresa accesses it which is not a special thing right she looks like a tourist tchotchke shop you know she looks

36:33Ronnie Karam: like someone went into one of those tchotchke shops in new york and just came out wearing a Statue of Liberty foam had on their head. You know, that's what she's giving.

36:41Ben Mandelker: She just doesn't know how to be wealthy. She got her money, but she doesn't know how to actually be a rich person. So Erica is like, Erica's like, yeah, we just, we had a hard time getting to a heart and soul. So Andy goes, ding dong.

36:57Ronnie Karam: She's like, well, it's my heart, clink, clink. We had a hard time getting to a heart and soul.

37:03Ben Mandelker: By the way, I will be remixing that on my national DJ gig

37:10Ben Mandelker: And he goes, Ding Dong on Twitter. Says, Amanda needs. That was a real one. No need to change the name because that one was funny enough. Ding Dong. Ding Dong on Twitter said, Amanda's need to one up a compete is exhausting. And Poopy Face from Poopzilla said, what's up with Amanda mentioning labels so much? What is there to prove you're talking to Ailton for goodness sake?

37:37Ronnie Karam: Well, I thought everyone brought up labels. I brought it up often on the show. There would be like a pause or a silence after it, but other people would say their label names too. And we're on the set of Rodeo Drive, guys. Come on, to be fair. I mean, this set is pretty tacky too. Are we going to yell at the set? Kyle's like, well, I mean, did you feel like you had to do that? Because, you know, just because you were in this group? Because it kind of came off that way.

38:03Ben Mandelker: Yeah, you know what? I saw you in Sedona say to our cameraman, man, make sure to get a shot of my Chanel bag. As if Dorit, as if, well, Dorit and Erica and all of them have never said that. I'm sure. Erica's had scenes where she, like, I remember her Berlin in the red latex strutting down the path and almost getting run over by a bike. But she was definitely having a moment, like, let's have a moment of my outfit, you know?

38:29Ronnie Karam: Or Kyle walking, like, purse straight to the camera all the time, being like, oh, my God, it's my new Spurkin.

38:36Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Maybe Erica was just more upset that Amanda actually talked to someone on the crew. Like, how could you talk to one of the poor people? Caberman, disgusting.

38:47Ronnie Karam: We may be poor, but we're not that poor. Okay? So she's like, you cannot lead with that shit. We are too old and too experienced.

38:56Ben Mandelker: Whoa. She said the O word. That was old.

39:00Ronnie Karam: So she's like, we want you, not the vanilla.

39:03Ben Mandelker: You know, it felt that way. But I should stop talking. Okay, finally we agree on something. Rachel, you said you have a hard time with Amanda because she acts strong, but she plays the victim at the same time. And also she's just simply not famous enough for her to occupy your brain space. Yeah. She's like not even Demi Moore. She's like, oh wait, I don't talk to Demi Moore anymore because she stole Brad from me. She's like, not even Jennifer Garner, better comp. I think the conflict that I've had with you is like what you said, like how you want to teach women and like want to walk into every room and everyone knows who you are.

39:38Ben Mandelker: Who do you think you are? On the set of Cheers. That was a joke.

39:43Ronnie Karam: But I never said I want to walk into a room and everyone knows who I am. She goes, you said that every room you walk into, everybody knows who you are. And so we see the flashback of her saying, outside this group, I walk into places and everyone gets me and everyone loves it. And all my friends take my course. So I think what she was saying was, I'm used to people who know me and get me.

40:02Ben Mandelker: Yeah. This was a bastardization by Rachel Zoe, I would have to say.

40:05Ronnie Karam: Yeah.

40:06Ben Mandelker: Amanda was like, look, I walk into rooms. Like they know my courses. They understand. They get me. But they're like, oh my God. Like you would like want to be famous. Like that's disgusting. Want to be famous. I'm like, Rachel. So you are a stylist. Your entire career was about like climbing up the ranks of Hollywood. Okay. Let's like, you're very talented at what you do. We all have enjoyed you on this show, but let's also not forget that you rose up.

40:31Ronnie Karam: A stylist calling someone fame hungry is like.

40:33Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Like I'm not going to do that. Like I'm not going to do that. like you're fame hungry too you reached it you did it you were one of the ones that broke through but let's not let's not act like that right because you could have been a stylist for anyone else

40:43Ronnie Karam: yeah and she's like um well that's not what you said in the moment she goes well i sent it to reed's book party like maybe that's how you took it but that's not what i meant and she's like no that's not how i took it that's what you said and because you say things like that and you don't follow up with an explanation of why you're saying it like how could i hear it differently right so I'm like, who actually is this? Like, ugh, God. Why do I want to throw a dollar at her face? God, unfortunately, I don't carry cash anymore.

41:11Ben Mandelker: Do you have a QR code? I do carry moisturizer. And I also have an extra Hermes bangle because my son gave it to me. That's not bragging. It's different. So Amanda's like, well, if you know, because if you knew who I was, like what I do, you'd know that like that wasn't what I meant, but I don't know who you are or what you do or anything about you. We're trying to know you.

41:31Ronnie Karam: We're trying. You rubbed us all the wrong way and it's hard to do in this group. And Amanda goes, well, I did it. And they're like, oh, God, what is that proving? But also, Erica, you know who else? You know who else rubbed everybody the wrong way in this group? You. Everybody hated your ass the first year. Everyone thought you were some dumb hooker. No one would give you any attention. The only one who was nice to you was Yolanda. Everyone else treated you like absolute dog shit your first year because you were doing this kind of thing. I mean, I would have more respect if Erica was like, listen, I came on here and all I did was brag about my money.

42:06Ronnie Karam: And now look, I got humbled real quick. You need to watch yourself. Or I came on here and I bragged about my money. I look like a total asshole. Nobody wanted to be my friend either. But I chilled out the next year and people were cool. But for her to be coming from this place of like, oh, we're just Beverly Hills ladies and we get it. You don't. It's like, girl, you did not. You never got it until you your money was taken away.

42:26Ben Mandelker: The strong point here is that Amanda is fucking annoying. and like that is unassailable. Amanda is annoying.

42:32Ronnie Karam: Amanda is braggy.

42:34Ben Mandelker: She's braggy and annoying. And she says like obnoxious things, but they are, they have, they've got Marsha Clark on this one and they are not going to get the guilty verdict.

42:43Ronnie Karam: But do you see what I'm saying about this giving me so many weird feelings? Because I agree that Amanda is so obnoxious. I don't want Amanda back, but the way they were coming at her, I was like, yeah, you know, none of you, you're all hypocrites. It's very Vanderbilt rules Ian.

42:58Ben Mandelker: it's just a lazy susan of awfulness it just depends on which plate is going to stop in front of you first it's just they're all like they at any given moment on this reunion i am on one person side and against another and then the lazy susan moves and that same person that i was on their side i am now against i think they are all being very hypocritical i do think that amanda is by and large annoying and terrible but i think that the points that they're trying to get her on are the wrong points and so they're not going to win on that one and like every point they're trying to hammer home for her she is correct on amanda's correct on those points but like it doesn't take away from the fact that she is annoying as fuck yeah and i think you're right they're they're just

43:37Ronnie Karam: coming at the wrong points and the only point that they can really win here against amanda is amanda we don't like you you're annoying and you don't fit in so bye yeah we're not hanging out because that's really it and they're trying to say it in all these other ways so now we get to the bo's thing so she said uh andy's like amanda in an interview you said that bo's tried to market a personal development brand it did not go well she's losing money on those courses and she told me so and bo's is like um when the hell did i tell you that my business was losing money and she's like in the vineyard that is crazy girl i did not tell you that and why would i have told you that why because let us consider our relationship at that point let us pretend for one second that I was losing money, which I'm not, why would I confide that in you?

44:25Ben Mandelker: It was a moment of confiding. You were basically saying that if I'm losing money on courses, there's no way that you could be making money on courses unless you were doing something wrong. Basically, Amanda's saying that Bo said, if I'm losing money, there's no way you could not be losing money or something like that. So Bo's like, that doesn't make any sense, Amanda. It's like, no, but that's what you said. That's not what I said. Well, I think they have a camera out and I don't because I didn't say that. And now the flashback. Here it comes. The online workshops. She goes, the online workshops, that's not the main thing I do for work, you know?

44:59Ben Mandelker: But it makes me curious though because we have that overlap of something that we make money from. She's like, no, I don't make money off it. I lose money on it. She's like,

45:09Ronnie Karam: well, yeah. But I'm okay with that because that's the choice I made. So I think what Bose was saying is like, that's just part of my thing. That's not my whole business. I think that's part of, you know, but she did technically say what Amanda is saying that she said. If Amanda misunderstood it, that's fine. But for Boz to be like, that is insane to say that I would ever say that I was losing money because you did say it.

45:32Ben Mandelker: I think what we see is what we saw from last year is that Boz has seminars, like big seminars in person that people come to. And here she says the online workshops she loses money on. but what Amanda just told Bose was you said you're losing money on your business. And she's like, I'm not losing money on my business, but she is not like the online workshops, I guess would be like maybe a lost leader or something like that. But I think this is a misunderstanding personally.

46:00Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Cause they were, they were specifically talking about online businesses. Amanda was saying we both have online businesses and that's what we have in common or whatever. So whatever. So then Bose is saying, well, the online workshops, that's not what I do for work. That's not the main thing. She goes, yeah, but it makes me curious, though. Oh, no, that's, sorry. So we come back, and Boz is saying, in addition, I'll let you know, because I need to clarify this comparison between our online courses. You have an online business. I have a teaching course, not an online business. Wouldn't that be an online business?

46:34Ronnie Karam: I mean, you're selling stuff online.

46:36Ben Mandelker: But it's like it's part, like her business is, I think what she's saying is that her business is something larger than that. but this is just a component of it. She goes, I have a course, and it's based on a class that I taught at Harvard for three semesters. It gives people the chance to understand the keys I did not have as a business person, so they understand how to negotiate for better rates, promotions, how to present in a boardroom. So for me, that's not about making money. My class is to open the door for people who can't go to Harvard. You are promoting your business and setting up your margins so you can be rich as fuck.

47:08Ben Mandelker: She's like, yes, I am. Thank you. Thank you.

47:10Ronnie Karam: I like that Amanda was like, uh-huh. Yeah, that is what I do. It's like, that is not my intention. And then he's like, so it's a charitable venture. She goes, absolutely. Well, no. I mean, you pay to take those courses. I mean, I've looked up those courses. Those are hundreds of dollars, too. Yeah, but they're not charity. But they're not charity is what I'm saying. It's not a charitable venture.

47:34Ben Mandelker: I think she's allowed to charge money for it. I mean, maybe it's not a charitable venture.

47:39Ronnie Karam: She's allowed to charge money for it. I'm not dissing her courses. I'm just saying she's trying to, first of all, the difference that she's outlining in her courses are vast, obviously. Like what she does is different. I get what she's saying. I'm just saying it's not a charitable venture. Right.

47:57Ben Mandelker: So Rachel's like, she's like trying to be like a mentor. Just sort of how like, I'm like a mentor for Sky and for Caius. Moisturizing. But I was like, yes, so that's not a failure. She's like, I didn't say the failure. Yes, you did. Kelly.

48:12Ronnie Karam: No, she's saying that you said it was a failure. She's not saying it's a failure. She's saying you said you were losing money, which you did say. So, oh my God. Well, at the end, it really boils down to like, why do I even care? It's just, I just don't, I don't like it. What are you doing? Why can't you just admit that you said that, but you meant something else? Yeah. Yeah.

48:38Ben Mandelker: Well, we'll have to see how it all shakes out next week that was the end of part one of this reunion yeah so we'll see where it goes everybody thanks

48:47Ronnie Karam: so much for being here with us uh we'll be back with ladies of london a little later and uh if you're not into that we'll see you monday we have an amazon live this week it's going to be at 2 p.m pacific time on amazon live and then um that's it for this week and stay tuned for some announcements next week and we'll talk to you next time bye

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