#3333 Ladies of London S4E09: Margo Away

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1:19Ronnie Karam: But hi, welcome to Watch What Crappens. I'm Ronnie, that's Ben over there. Hello, Ben. Hello, Ronnie. How are you? Good. Welcome to the show, everybody. It's Lads of London's Day, Ladies of London, Episode 9 of Season 1. Next week, we are going to have some very special announcements, so be here to get them, okay? And what else do I have to say? Oh, if you want this recap on video, or you want our bonus episode of Survivor this week, or you want Discord server to talk to each other, or a free weekly blog slash newsletter, or you want ad-free listening, you get that all over at Patreon. And thanks so much to everybody who has been there with us for that.

2:05Ronnie Karam: We love you.

2:06Ben Mandelker: Can I give a shout out? Can I give a special shout out? I wasn't even planning to do this, but then I was looking at my t-shirt here because by the way, I'm sitting in Ronnie's house. If you didn't hear the Beverly Hills recap, I had technical issues in my place. So I moved over to Ronnie's place. So that's why you might be like, huh, what? But anyway, this has nothing to do with that. I was looking at my T-shirt here. I'm wearing the Great Gatsby T-shirt. And it occurred to me that tomorrow is the two-year anniversary of the Great Gatsby opening on Broadway. And I want to give a shout-out to my partner Dominique because he choreographed that.

2:40Ben Mandelker: That was his first ever Broadway show that he choreographed. It's an amazing, amazing career triumph that he got to do that. It's what he's been working years and years and years for to be able to choreograph something on Broadway. and it's now been open for two years. And I'm giving an unsolicited shout out to A, him, but also the Great Gatsby people. And they're on a national tour. So if it comes to your city, go check it out and see Dom's work because he did great work. And if you're in New York City, go watch The Great Gatsby.

3:14Ronnie Karam: That's so cool. And didn't he just win an award for that too? He did.

3:18Ben Mandelker: He won an award in London. in because there was an East End production that happened earlier in the year and so he got an award there and I'm so excited for him and for all his future you know his future Broadway things but like I'm a very proud boyfriend and I think it's tremendous that his show has been still open for two years that's like really hard to do on Broadway these days so yeah check it out yeah it really is

3:47Ronnie Karam: yeah good for him right on congrats and i'm gonna give wait i'm gonna give him one more shout out here's the thing not only did he do that dom was like the first person ever to create viral

4:00Ben Mandelker: broadway choreography that has never happened before and there was a whole article uh recently about how all the broadway shows are trying to do choreography that'll go viral that started with dom with his like new money dance that you know you've seen that on tiktok so i want to give him his flowers for that because i feel like he sort of didn't get the appreciation uh for being the first choreographer to really do that on broadway so i'm just gonna i'm just sending love to dom

4:27Ronnie Karam: today oh dom where is he now is he with you yeah he's he's here in la uh well tell him to get the fuck out of my house no it's not a whorehouse dom get out of here but he is in la right now

4:41Ben Mandelker: Yeah, he's in L.A. But now, now that we've given Dom all that love, now let's give Ladies in London some fucking love, too, because this show is so good. I know I say it every single week, but I sit here, I come here on a Thursday. You know, we just talked for a while about Beverly Hills and got ourselves whipped up into a frenzy about Dorit and Kyle and Erica and this and that and why are you saying that? You're such a big... And then you just come to Ladies in London and this show is just... it's just so perfect to me. I think it's hilarious. I sit there and watch them. There was a segment on tonight's episode when Margo has gone home and they're just all having dinner and they're getting drunk and they're just laughing and joking with each other.

5:24Ben Mandelker: And it's like weirdly exhilarating for me. That's like, I love, by the way, your camera just zoomed away. Your camera's doing crazy things right now. I have like a camera band here.

5:36Ronnie Karam: Go up to the little camera thing and turn off gestures.

5:39Ben Mandelker: follow a thing no it's funny i might do my thing and the camera like zoomed out and then zoom back in again i was like very cinematic over here um no but like i just love that i can watch these people just laugh and joke in a way and just sort of just be entertained by it and feel like i'm right there it's very parasocial for me and also i just find that the way that they laugh and joke is just so much funnier than like anyone else on bravo like when we watch other casts of other shows sit around the table and crack jokes they're just like not nearly as funny or as interesting as

6:08Ronnie Karam: these people are yeah this is a great show i love every episode i think there's only one more episode after this one so i'm bummed i'm pretty bummed also okay let's get to it season four episode nine way out of line oh don't don't spell w-h-e-y it's a cheese line it's cheese it's a cheesy show so we are still with uh people having a fit at the garden party because margol has tried to have a confrontation with Mark and he's walking off refusing a confrontation and she is kind of yelling at him as he goes like why are you so afraid Mark and Kimmy's like oh shut up Kimmy it's your real bitch you're a real bitch all right Margo you would know and Lottie's like oh my gosh

6:58Ben Mandelker: if our British mothers could see this somebody's shouting across a garden at the marchioness of Bath's estate.

7:06Ronnie Karam: Our mothers would grow their bangs an extra two inches just to hide their eyes.

7:13Ben Mandelker: If only I had a tiny little suit to put around my eyeballs.

7:19Ronnie Karam: If our mothers could see this, they would enter Tina Yadda's lookalike contest just to spite the family. My mother won that, by the way. So Margot is still sitting by herself off to the side. And this is still the weirdest move for me where Margot separates herself from everybody else. And then she's like, fine, I'll have a discussion with Mark. Like, okay, let's call people into my office now. Margot, you're not that important. Get your ass up and move over to the other table, you weirdo.

7:46Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Oh, don't say weirdo. So Margot is like, she's like, I asked him to come talk to me and he left. And Emma's like, okay, but he's like my best friend. He can't leave, you know? So Kimmy walks off She's like fucking cry baby bitch

8:03Ronnie Karam: We're awesome Fucking cry baby bitch I've had it with y 'all So Margot's just like smirking

8:10Ben Mandelker: Kimmy does by the way in this episode Kimmy does a lot of really good arm swatting Like I've had enough of it Like does a lot of that thing where she's like Taking the back of her arm and swatting Like a low hanging lantern or something Like I've had enough It's enough it's a bitch right now It's too much

8:26Ronnie Karam: And Margot's like I wasn't yelling I was just projecting my voice across the garden. And then we see flashback to two minutes earlier with her going, come on, Mark, what's wrong? What are you scared of? Just come chat with me.

8:39Ben Mandelker: Isn't that yelling in British, though? In American, that's like whispering. But in British, that's yelling. I think Americans say anything.

8:46Ronnie Karam: And British people are like, oh, God, could you write that? Maybe just write it down.

8:50Ben Mandelker: We really can't do anything right. And honestly, I get it. I get it. I'm not complaining. I'm admitting. So Margo's like, well, I'm sorry. She says regarding Kimmy, you can take the girl out of Florida, but you can't take a girl from Florida to Longleat, it seems.

9:09Ronnie Karam: Dun, dun, dun. So then off to the side. Now they're outside the garden, like in the opening to this maze thing. And so Kimmy and Mark are talking, and he's like, it's Emma's party, and I'm not Margo. Margo, how dare she scream at you across the garden, across the garden? Who screams across the garden? I mean, in America, we're like, go outside and scream at each other in the garden. For Christ's sake, don't scream at each other inside. And here, they're like, in the garden.

9:36Ben Mandelker: We do a lot of our screaming in the garden. But it does feel very British to be like, don't scream in the garden. Don't raise your voice in the garden, not at the garden. The petunias will wilt. He's like, well, I'm not going to make a scene, even though I've just stormed out. So then back at the tables, Emma is like, Mark is my best friend. And he's Henry's godfather, and he's capable of great emotional everything. And he just doesn't tend to do that. There's just a sense of humor. I think my head is permanently detached from the neck. Could someone please put it back on? Thank you.

10:11Ronnie Karam: So now Martha goes out to Kimmy and Mark and is like, oh, I handled this badly, Mark. Oh, no, that was horrific. It was horrific, Martha. But I handled it badly. I'm sorry. It's fine. Don't take any blame. You don't need to take any blame for the Americans screaming in a garden. And Margot's like, I don't want her to have to go do that. Yeah, she's like, well, she's not going to talk about this for me. I'm going to go over there and talk so Martha doesn't have to stick up for me. So she goes over there now. And Martha's like, well, what she's upset about is she feels you pay her a compliment. Well, she'll get over it.

10:47Ben Mandelker: She'll get over it. But the minute that she leaves, you're mean about whatever you complimented. and Kimmy goes, oh, who cares? It's like, ooh, she doesn't understand. And Martha's, well, she's not English. She hasn't been living here. She doesn't understand that that's her love language, is to compliment you and destroy you all in the same breath.

11:08Ronnie Karam: Oh, give me a fucking break, Martha. She lives in fucking Los Angeles. She's an actress, Martha.

11:15Ben Mandelker: I love Kimmy's default is to shit on Los Angeles. I just adore it. Well, I mean, look at her. She lives in a place that loves a place called In-N-Out. Okay, I'll tell you what I'm into. Hurley going out, okay?

11:30Ronnie Karam: So now everybody's basically coming out to them. And Martha's like, well, she hasn't been living here, Kimmy. She doesn't understand the culture. Oh, God. What? This is so bad. This was just so bad. So Margot comes up now. He's like, well, I'm not going to have some sort of confrontation in my friend's garden. I refuse.

11:50Ben Mandelker: Well, why don't you just have like a chat with me? Because I have nothing to say. But I'm not confrontational to you.

11:58Ronnie Karam: King's like, yeah, Los Angeles over there. You turned it into a boxing match. It's an afternoon tea. We're not sitting on top of the Hollywood sign.

12:09Ben Mandelker: So then Missy comes out. She's like, I would like to say something here. It's like, oh, don't get involved. Don't get involved. So Margot is like, she's like, I said, why don't you come over and chat with me, Mark?

12:20Ronnie Karam: yeah and he's like oh i can't do it i have nothing to say nothing to say at all and so missy's like oh stop getting involved kimmy just please stop getting involved let them deal with it so she takes kimmy away i'm surprised kimmy let her but kimmy's like all right all right fine and margo's like well you have so much to say earlier mark he's like oh are we gonna go back to crushed velvet please i can't this jumpsuit is the bane of all their existences margo's like

12:48Ben Mandelker: no we're not going to go back to thinking that my aliyah isn't good enough for longley he's like oh well it's not that it's not good enough it's that it's transparent just like our personality

12:59Ronnie Karam: it's like oh okay well then you have things to say then same to me he's like no no why are you scared are you scared to talk to me no and he takes her arms he's like darling i'm not scared of you she's like oh don't touch me do not touch me i mean i'm sorry but do not touch me

13:16Ben Mandelker: okay well i'm not i'm not scared to talk to you i just don't care to talk to you that's it so marco's like but then why are you so obsessed with me that you talk about me all the time oh darling who wouldn't be obsessed with you have you seen yourself which is just the best read

13:34Ronnie Karam: the best british read you could get and so like oh my god you're so weird and creepy oh i'm creepy Okay. No, you are. You're like a weird, creepy, masked clown. I mean, God. So he turns and starts walking away. And she's like, oh, whatever. Prance away, Mark. Prance away. Listen, now you've officially stepped over the line. Okay. That's it. And at least they tell her in this show. You know, we don't really have to explain it. But what the fuck is wrong with you? She's made so many comments that are veering where it's like, is she? Is she saying that? But now with her full-on prance away, you can fuck right off.

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15:31Ben Mandelker: and that's it's funny because that's not the thing that she gets hammered for it's she gets hammered for calling him weird which then gets turned into she said the word freak but like yeah the weird like weird is like it's i don't know like it could be taken that way but because she could also be like like stop like you're like she's just coming up with a retort you're mean but prancing away that is now officially homophobic and you are making fun of the fact that he's gay and people could come at you for lots of things they have before in the past on screen but i think when the moment that you start like getting homophobic like that prancing you were on the gayest show on bravo and you better you better take that all back yeah it's it's just

16:13Ronnie Karam: gross you know and yes mark has been coming for her too but you know the difference is mark says well i heard she's an actress and she's being fake okay that's one thing but then you're retaliation is really well i hear his family kicked him out and won't speak to him and yeah because he's gay you fucking homophobic little witch you know what's wrong with you who said like who goes that low so i don't blame him i think that he heard that i think that he heard that she said that because of course they told him you know they tell especially missy she's running around tattle telling on everybody so i'm sure he heard that and he's like i don't want anything to do with this homophobe you know so he's not going to talk to you he's not going to give you some confrontation on tv and you're not going to get it and if he's if you don't like him making catty little comments about you then learn how to do it yeah yeah margo's just this is yeah she just really sucks so learn how to fight in the arena that you're in you loser you absolute you you absolute loser of a human being and then you do exactly what we think you do what you're gonna do you turn into a crying white lady and start your little tears like you're the victim of everything and start saying panic attack and using your victim cloak of panic attacks and mental health and all this other shit you're just a nasty nasty witch and like the really the crux

17:26Ben Mandelker: of her argument is that you're saying things behind my back it's just like lady this is this is it's small potatoes everyone's telling you to get over it because everyone's like yeah like it's fine move on she will not she's fixated on this and she's being you've also been doing it

17:42Ronnie Karam: the whole time to him and everybody you say things behind his back all the time you started off the season by calling dara a prostitute and spreading that rumor around that came from her and then taking dara's place when dara ended up leaving the show so please with you talking

17:57Ben Mandelker: behind people's backs by the way someone uh on threads i i like posted something like oh my god lives in london so good and then one person responded back saying the first two episodes were good and it's been boring ever since i was like you're dara aren't you you this is dara who who's messaging me with their Finsta, right? It's Dara's friend from that restaurant.

18:16Ronnie Karam: Like, we will not talk about Dara behind her back.

18:18Ben Mandelker: You're the only person who believes the first two episodes were the best episodes and the rest were boring. The only person who would say that would be Dara or her friend.

18:27Ronnie Karam: So Mark just walks away, and Martha's like, oh, God, come on, Margo. So crance away, Mark. What? He is weird. He is. And she's like, Mark, don't go. And she's like, it's time to leave. In fact, it was time to leave 10 minutes ago.

18:43Ben Mandelker: And so he is trying to sort of like, you know, have this dignified exit, but he is actually in a maze right now and he can't figure out how to get out of the maze. And he's like, I've spent 15 years going around this maze. And one time I need to make a swift exit. It actually works. Bloody hell. And you just see him like trying to be like, how do I get out of this maze?

19:03Ronnie Karam: And he's walking. He's like, I'm leaving. Okay. I've hit a wall. I will try this way. I will. Damn it. Damn it.

19:12Ben Mandelker: Yeah, because those garden mazes are really simple because they don't have a lot of space to be confusing. But I guess if you're in a tizzy, it's just the hardest thing in the world. Yeah.

19:22Ronnie Karam: So now Margot comes back and Margot's like, he just walked away again. Oh, well, he's fuming. He's fuming. Yeah. And he goes, I will not have a confrontation with you. And I said, well, why are you so obsessed with me? And he said, darling, who wouldn't be obsessed with you? And I was like, you're fucking weird.

19:40Ben Mandelker: Lottie's like but that's a joke Margot's like but it's weird but again let me emphasize it's a joke Emma's like I don't like that if you're upset but I also don't think it's that serious how many times do people at higher stations in life have to tell you to shut up before you actually shut up and Micah

20:00Ronnie Karam: Margot my best etiquette advice is Zip it! Zip it girlfriend!

20:07Ben Mandelker: He doesn't banter with me Martha's like because you're scary You just went in so confrontational And it was not nice How was it nice? Shouting across the garden is confrontational Like why would you shout? Why would you even shout like that? Something's rude

20:22Ronnie Karam: You should whisper like when I said shut up You dumb bitch

20:26Ben Mandelker: Margot did say at one point Which she was sort of a fair point At the top of the episode She's like you know me I wasn't shouting I was just I was speaking to him But Kimmy's literally screaming, shut up, you fucking bitch, across the garden. No one gets mad at her. But she's funny when she does it. She's funny and has a fake British accent. Everyone loves Kimmy. That's the difference.

20:49Ronnie Karam: It was also retaliation when you escalated it in the first place. You know? Yeah. So you started the screaming. So you raised it to the screaming level and you brought it to that level, ma 'am. So Martha's like, oh, I've handled this so badly, that whole shouting across the garden thing. I mean, that was my fault. It was my fault. Hard blink, hard blink. And Mark is now leaving in a van. I mean, geez, he really is out of there. So Margot gets up to get her coat because no one's on her side. She's like, I lost this one. And Kimmy's saying, it's inappropriate. It's inappropriate. Why does my friend have to leave and I have to be stuck with her?

21:27Ronnie Karam: I don't want to sit with her. I mean, she's boring. I mean, that was just unreal. Like, I thought we were having a nice time.

21:35Ben Mandelker: Here's the thing. We are having a very nice time. And if you guys are feeling upset about this, I did bring some puppets. So if you'd like to sit back, I would love to teach you all about your etiquette in puppet form. Is that okay with everyone?

21:49Ronnie Karam: Oh, God, if we're going to stick our hands up anybody's asses to teach them how to behave, start with more go.

21:56Ben Mandelker: I think that we're just sort of going in circles. Literally, Mark is still working on that maze. So you want to check in with him? Yep, he just Back at the start again Try the right this time, Mark Try the right We'll see how it goes

22:11Ronnie Karam: I found a kumquat Alright Officially taking the wrong left again Alright, maybe we should just go to our rooms And have a little rest So they get up and they all go To get some rest And Emma's like, well who wants to take this bottle of Jim And Kim and Martha start fighting over it I want it, it's mine Give it to me, you dumb hooker. Give it to me.

22:35Ben Mandelker: So they go back to their cottages, and Margot and Micah and Lottie, Margot climbs through the window to get in because they forgot their key. And then they're just laughing about that. And the other one, Kimmy makes this omelet. And this was before we learned that she went to culinary school because one of the first episodes, she was in her kitchen cooking a bunch of clams in a pan. And I was like, oh, it's just not a site you really see on Bravo. It was just cooking clams in a skillet, and now she was doing some omelet work. And I was like, what's going on with Kimmy that she can get in front of a stovetop and do fun things in the skillet?

23:15Ben Mandelker: And then we find out that she actually has a background in this. Like, this woman just gets better and better to me. I love her. I'm obsessed with her. I need to be her friend.

23:22Ronnie Karam: When the world is collapsing, if you make an unctuous omelet, you know, something, it soothes all the edges. It really does. Makes the world a boner place.

23:35Ben Mandelker: And I love that when she describes it, she puts her hands in the air and does like jazz hands. She's like, bobbles. She like picks her like claws out. Like there's something that's quiet. Bobbles about it. And it does look like a really good wet omelet. Like a nice, beautiful, sumptuous one. And she's like, well, I feel bad. You know, my daughter is really upset because I'm gone. So she's like, where are you? And I was like, I'm getting drunk somewhere, daughter.

24:05Ronnie Karam: Mine is really upset, too. Yeah, well, I know. She's like, why are you leaving me? I thought, oh, God, she doesn't understand. I told Amadeus, are you going to miss me? And he said, no. He gets that.

24:18Ben Mandelker: So then they're, like, eating this omelet. It's, like, dripping everywhere. Oh, that's actually a really good omelet. It's been so long since I've had an omelet that didn't have little magpie feathers in it. so then the other cottage emma's like hello i'm here to check in because uh has the hosts i'm obligated to make sure that the american feels okay marco are you okay

24:41Ronnie Karam: yeah so marco's just sitting there giving patty looks on the couch and they're all just trying to ignore her basically well mark said he left he didn't want to have a scene for my sake which always is not like my preference obviously but that's gentlemanly of him yeah and marco's like well i didn't want him to leave i literally wanted him to come talk to me i didn't want him to leave well he didn't want to have a shouting match well no he'd left because he didn't want to have a

25:08Ben Mandelker: conversation and emma's like well all he ever said to you is like about your boots or whatever it wasn't the comment it's the feeling you have when you're being nice to your face and you know you turn around and they're laughing with other people it's very uncomfortable it's like well you have to deal with that then this is well this is you you have to deal with you can't you just have to deal with how you're gonna like it's not nice sure but also like you're an adult and like

25:33Ronnie Karam: just move on look i mean here's here's the thing i margo's dead to me but i see what margo is saying i mean there is like a level of cattiness she's not one of the popular kids and now that she's not with the popular kids they're literally laughing in her face like they're standing in another click they're laughing in her face and i get it but the way that she's i get why that would be hurtful but a she's this didn't come out of nowhere she's also doing the exact same to that thing to them she's mocking them she's mocking their voices she's doing it as loudly as she can so they can hear her she's trying to start fights and it's not working and now she's getting to the point where she's like demanding them yeah to come over and fight no one you know i can see why she would be hurt because you're losing a battle that you're kind of a part of making happen.

26:23Ronnie Karam: This didn't come out of thin air and you don't have a right to talk to somebody like just because you want to have a conversation doesn't mean they have to sit down and talk to you. You don't have that right. And you've been a dick. So I don't blame them for not wanting to talk to you.

26:37Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I understand. Like it sucks. It sucks that like they're being catty or whatever, but then you're like going over and you're trying to sort of like be confrontational and you're not like making it better and you're just really not helping it like you said you're already sort of doing it you know margo sort of reminds me of like there was like this every now and then there would be like this this i feel like in my childhood or like when i was teenage or whatever every now and then there'd be like a girl who would just be like and i'm not saying it was a specific girl but there'd be like for some reason and it was there was like they would come in and out of my life to be like, Ben, you're gay.

27:12Ben Mandelker: Why don't you just come out and be done with it already? Sort of this annoying, confrontational like, and a poking, like finger poking. And it was always so obnoxious. And I always could not stand when people like Margot would come into my life. And I fully get why Mark is like, get rid of this girl. I can't deal with it. She's just the worst. I guarantee he probably dealt with Margo's in his childhood as well.

27:43Ronnie Karam: Yeah, Margo seems like one of those people to me that is getting by on her looks and her sexiness. You know, she's always walking around and like see through things and she is gorgeous, but she's an actor who became famous from a very sexualized thing. She's married to some homely guy she met at a party in LA, like obviously based on her look. And that's not a bad thing, but I think she's in this situation now where she's not in a regular acting role where beauty is so important she's not in la where beauty is so important and she's talking to a man who doesn't give a shit about her beauty so she's all of her superpowers are useless here you know and she's trying to you she's trying to fight with people with their superpowers which are humor you know which they've had to develop to deal with assholes like her their whole life and she doesn't have it she doesn't have the wit or the humor to deal with it and she just doesn't know what to do you know she's powerless in this room and um i think it's it's bugging her yeah i think that

28:45Ben Mandelker: obviously he uses his humor as a way to see who are the people that he's safe around like like who are the people who get his humor because they're the ones that he can feel himself around and he can't feel himself around margo and i think she also is testing and she can't feel safe around him and they are both like just causing this uh terrible vortex of hatred so uh either way everyone in the cast is like oh my god this is so annoying and and mark is at least funnier than margo is so we're taking mark's side uh so margo is now being like i don't want him to leave or whatever and uh emma's like but it wasn't that deep it wasn't about anything personal was it because I lived in England long enough to know banter.

29:34Ben Mandelker: Okay. Like I know the back and forth. I see what he's doing with you. I see what he does with Kimmy. I understand. I am not stupid. So she is clearly like having some like flashback to being left out of some cool group when she was a kid, because this seems like she is like living out something from her childhood here.

29:54Ronnie Karam: Well, it's also true. It is happening. They are laughing. They are. They do have banter that they don't have with you, but that banter is earned. you know and you don't you haven't earned it and you've you've been the same you've been giving as good as you get lady like you're standing off at the side of every party being like making mark voice and stuff like that like you're doing it too and calling kimmy a stupid drunk and everything else that you've done you know to act like some victim like they just don't like me they don't like they don't like you because you're being yourself so lottie's like but this is mark's brand the brits understand what he's doing but there's one american who doesn't understand and her name begins with an M and ends in an algo.

30:34Ben Mandelker: It's not a British thing. They're trying to make the cultural difference excuse of him being an asshole, but he's just being an asshole. I think really that Margot thought she was going to be the star of this show. She's like, I'm famous. They know me in England. I'm beautiful. I'm funny. Because she is actually funny when she wants to be. So I think she thought she was going to be the star and she's not the star and she's spiraling. When people think that they're going to be the center of attention and they're not, they lose their mind. And I think that's what she's going through right now.

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32:49Ronnie Karam: Okay, I have to tell you. I was just looking on eBay where I go for all kinds of things I love, and there it was. That hologram trading card. One of the rarest. The last one I needed for my set. Shiny like the designer handbag of my dreams. One of a kind. eBay had it. And now everyone's asking, ooh, where'd you get your windshield wiper?

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33:15Ronnie Karam: Millions of finds, each with a story. eBay. Things people love. So now it's the next morning and Kimmy and Missy are sending videos to their kids. And then Lottie, Micah, Margo are having breakfast and no one's talking to Margo. And Margo's just pouting and being a brat. And then we go to Lottie, Margo and Micah. And Micah's like, oh, so Margo and I, we talked today. The vibe is fine. We're going to have fun today, right? We're going to have fun today.

33:46Ben Mandelker: That is the plan, is to have fun. So then Kimmy's like, the other place they're having fun, like, oh, my God, you know your boobs are real when you have to wash underneath them. Oh, my God. Please pass the blanc de blanc.

34:03Ronnie Karam: Let's start the day like everybody should start up. Let's just shot a Patron. So Mark, Mark, he's like, I didn't want, yesterday's events to ruin Emma's planned day today. I really hope I don't come across as an attention seeker because I'm just very much myself. So

34:25Ben Mandelker: they are, the whole plan is that they're going to be doing various activities. They're going to go to Cheddar, which is somehow it's actually part of the Longleat estate because Longleat owns everything. Longleat, Emma literally is like she owns Cheddar cheese. Like, that is wild to me.

34:44Ronnie Karam: I'm sorry. This is great. This is a great neighborhood. But do you know the family that owns Munster? I'd love to meet them.

34:52Ben Mandelker: I can't believe it. So, they are going to be, they're going to split up into cars. And obviously, Margo and Mark will not be in the same car. So, they're getting into their black cars. And first, we're with Emma, Micah, Kimmy, Martha, and Mark. Well, we're just all with them anyway. And Kimmy is like, so, Emma, how was your night? But I went for a nightcap with them. And oh, you know what? The one thing I did say to Margo, guys, I said moving forward, the way that you communicate, you just need to be very careful. Because if you yell across a garden, that's not a way to start a conversation. I mean, yelling across a garden, even my puppets wouldn't do that.

35:30Ronnie Karam: Not a garden.

35:34Ben Mandelker: So vulgar.

35:36Ronnie Karam: Vulgar, vulgar. So now we go to the van outside with Lottie, Missy and Margo. And Missy's like, I love you, Margo, but I did feel bad about Mark. She goes, oh, my God, I never did anything to begin with. Come on. And she goes, but you called him a freak. And so we see the flashback to last night. And then back to Mark. Mark's like, well, she told me I'm a freak, that I shouldn't touch her. Why are you so obsessed with me? Don't touch me. You're a freak.

36:01Ben Mandelker: So Margo has a reasonable excuse. Not excuse. She can say, I never called him a freak because we see that she called him weird, but not a freak. And luckily, she totally swanders that.

36:14Ronnie Karam: She said it was a longer quote than that. I'm going to look at it.

36:17Ben Mandelker: Well, it doesn't matter because she goes, well, I mean, maybe I did call him a freak. I do find him freaky. He is a freak. I was like, oh, well, never mind.

36:24Ronnie Karam: Yeah, she said he's weird and creepy, a creepy masked clown, and then told him to prance away.

36:30Ben Mandelker: Right. She never said the word freak, but she still calls him a freak anyway. She was like, well, yeah. So I was like, okay, well, I for sure thought I was going to be, I never said freak. I said weird, but not freak. I never called him a freak. But she's like, no, he's a freak. Like, okay, that is homophobic now. Now you've officially doubled down. You had a chance to actually not go that path. And you've been like, you're like, I'm going to stand in it. I'm going to call him a freak. Yeah, totally.

37:00Ronnie Karam: But you can't call him a freak though. No, let me tell you why. because I was walking across and the lot of people were like, no, you shouldn't call anyone a freak. That's not nice. I mean, Mark, he's the only gay man in the group, and it just feels like calling him a freak is just very personal, singling him out like that. You can't fight nastiness with nastiness. I mean, I'm sure his whole life he's been called names, the same way that my husband's had his whole life being called names. I mean, it's not fun being called Helena Bonham Carter when you're a boy in the sixth grade, is it? And I just don't think it's fair, and I don't think it's kind, and I'm not on board with that.

37:33Ben Mandelker: So then Mark is like, she run after me, because we're in the other van. And Kimmy's like, you know, let me tell you something. You can call someone. I'm sorry. You can't, of a different sexual persuasion of freak, you just can't do that. It's not PC. Well, I don't think that's what she meant, Kimmy. Oh, really? Well, I'll tell you what that means then, Martha. Like, Kimmy, Kimmy. It's like, no, Martha, Martha, she did mean it. No, she did it not, Margot. she means so well. And he's like, Martha,

38:05Ronnie Karam: I'm gonna get out. I'm gonna get out of this car, Martha. She's like, don't get out of the car. I'm gonna get out of the car. Please don't get out of the car. I've spent 20 years being treated like a freak, okay? And she's like, oh god, I'm sorry. And he's like, I will not, in Emma's house, be run after as a branded freak. I will not. And he gets like weirdly emotional. and how Martin gets emotional is like in a Shakespeare play, which cracked me up. He's like, I will not die my entire life. I was like, yes, girl, go get that Olivier.

38:44Ben Mandelker: That for me was the fucking line. I spent my whole life trying to deal with this. I can't even introduce my partner to my parents, okay? The person that I want to marry, I cannot even introduce to my parents. To be fair, my parents demand that we both appear as sailors, but that's besides the point. when I can't even have a normal life because guess what? It's I'm not normal. Do you know what that is like?

39:06Ronnie Karam: And Martha's like, oh, as someone completely normal, Mark, I'm so sorry. I didn't mean it like that. And he's like, no, I don't want pity. I hate pity. And I don't feel sorry for myself. And she's like, okay, I'm sorry. And he's like, but is that like, okay? And Kimmy says, oh, she's a bully, a bully. So here's what I learned from this. First, Mark has emotions, which was nice to see. Second, fuck his parents, but thanks for the money. And third of all, who's this partner, girl? You better get your partner on here, will you, Kyle Richards? Get your Morgan Wade on here.

39:43Ben Mandelker: It's going to be someone in a powdered wig based on that house. It's going to be someone.

39:47Ronnie Karam: I'm telling you, this person is wearing an ascot right now. He's wearing an ascot and a silk robe sitting somewhere gorgeous.

39:54Ben Mandelker: so emma's like i've never seen mark that emotional actually and how long have we been friends for 15 years or something like he's had some struggles i still don't know all about them so yes really serious like that's because you guys don't ask each other questions you guys get drunk and catty remarks but it's the first time you've ever had a conversation about your personal lives it's called society ben you don't ask questions in the garden so then in the in the boring van the margo van margo's like he is a freak he is a freak babe but don't buy it you know because she's actually the last one who shares the comments because they actually come from your friends okay oh my god mark said the velvet dress was the bad but two people already said that before you margo and then something else about the outfit and how about and about how you have a brand and money and all this and like this it all sounds very vain margot missy's kind of like uh stop it you have to get yourself together because you're saying these things too and also you're blaming mark when other people are saying these things.

40:54Ben Mandelker: You can't single Mark out.

40:56Ronnie Karam: Yeah, and she's like, yeah, we're all saying your clothes suck. And you know what? And you have brands and money and all this shit. You sound very vain. And we see a flashback to Marco going, it's a liar. Maybe you would know if you knew what Clueless was. He's like, you know what I mean? I mean, you look very vain. She's like, no, I mean, the things I'm buying are like literal artwork, like they're archive artworks and they should be celebrated just like your pieces are celebrated, Lottie. And Lottie's like, just take it down a notch, darling. I mean, I don't have an aspirin to specifically deal with the sound of American.

41:27Ronnie Karam: All right. It's like, no, no, you're like saying really mean things to me. And that makes me more insecure. And then you're like, why are you acting like this? Like, God, we're just being peacekeepers. And I'm like, you just told me extra mean shit that I don't need to know. Like, stop telling me things that people are saying behind my back.

41:43Ben Mandelker: They literally said nothing that was extra mean. And it also just goes to show, like, this is how, like, for as much as Margo's, like, I've been here for 15 years. I understand how it goes. You clearly don't because you're sitting here saying, I'm wearing artworks that need to be celebrated. Do you see the people that are around you? They don't care. They're not sitting here. They're not like Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Like, oh, what are you wearing? What are you wearing? What are you wearing? They are just wearing their clothes. This is quite luxury. You have Emma who has an enormous, giant country estate.

42:12Ben Mandelker: She literally owns cheddar cheese. And you're going to try to be like, but let's celebrate my artwork that I'm wearing. It's like, bitch, this is not the time or the place. You don't know anything about these people and how they, how they, their relationship with wealth and material objects.

42:27Ronnie Karam: She's also arguing this whole time. Well, Mark, if you have something to say to me about my clothes and say it to my face. And so now they're saying it to her face. And she's like, how could you, how could you say this to my face?

42:38Ben Mandelker: She's insecure about this because she's, she is like, she, she's like, she cares about these brands that she's bought. She thinks she's being fabulous and no one cares about them. No one cares about what she has to say. No one's laughing at her jokes. And she is unraveling because of it.

42:53Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So now we go over to Cheddar. And so Mark switches modes. He's like, so when did Cheddar become a property of Longlead?

43:03Ben Mandelker: For a long time, actually. It's like, oh, I didn't know it was actually owned by Longlead. That's wild. And Emma's like, yeah, for a whole other thing to manage. It's just a different set of skills. Seriously. We tried to get the giraffes to make the cheese, but they won't cooperate. So just more work for me.

43:22Ronnie Karam: Feeding koalas is not the same as making cheese.

43:28Ben Mandelker: So meanwhile, in Margot and Lottie and Missy's van, Margot is continuing to cry. And Missy's like, I have to pee. I have to pee. I have to get out. I'm going to wee. I'm going to wee. I'm going to wee. So she runs out to go to the bathroom.

43:39Ronnie Karam: I can't stop crying. It's really bugging with me. she pulls an emmy from uh southern hospitality and i'm buying this one just about as much so missy's like margo's not winning she went too personal because it was impulsive and now she thinks the whole world is against her god thank god for bathrooms so she's running to the loo and then uh lottie gets out of the car just thank god like get me out of here and margo's still in there now we see 10 minutes later and margo's like

44:10Ronnie Karam: do you need medical attention she's like i don't know what's happening i think i'm having a panic attack shall we take you to hospital can was there any possibility we

44:20Ben Mandelker: could remove you from this television show so we can enjoy this scene we're trying to shoot

44:25Ronnie Karam: thank you so much um yeah and lottie's like she's having a breakdown oh god and she's like laying in the seat of the van, like, you know, in full on histrionic mode. And so now they go sit on this bench and Wallace and Gromit, it's like this big statue, like bookending the bench. So they sit down on it and she's sobbing.

44:47Ben Mandelker: She's sobbing next to this big cartoon sculpture. And like, they're like cracking, like Lottie's cracking up, like this stupid American sobbing next to this thing. And like, not even like, not even Margo can laugh at, at this. She's taking herself so seriously right now. I mean, look, I have respect for a panic attack, but it feels like this was just purely brought on by Margo. Like she's just just trying to get out of a tough situation.

45:12Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I feel like there's people who are going to be listening. Like, how dare you? I have panic attack. We are not talking about you. Calm down. I don't know you. I'm talking about this specific lady in this moment. I'm not buying this for two seconds. Sorry. I don't buy it. It's the most convenient panic attack I've ever seen. so they're like okay well maybe you know she's like i can't breathe and missy's like well you know maybe it's hormonal things going on here you did just have a baby she's like yeah yeah maybe that's it thank you maybe it's that maybe that's it yeah yeah so the meanwhile in the fun van uh

45:46Ben Mandelker: they arrive and they start taking their cheddar tour and um mike is like maybe it's the american to me, but I really wanted Cheddar to be from Vermont.

45:58Ben Mandelker: Okay, well, this is a very...

46:00Ronnie Karam: First of all, this guy comes running out. It's like, they're here, they're here. He's like, hello. Welcome. Welcome to Cheddar. It's a very special place. It's made here in the village of Cheddar since 1170. King Henry II on the throne. What was he doing? Making Cheddar. Not like Henry VIII. It got a little uglier. We wish we'd given him a hobby. God, things got ugly with that one. But shut up. Anyway.

46:26Ben Mandelker: Back then, they were maturing cheese in the caves because obviously we didn't have refrigeration back then, so a cave was a natural place to keep a cheese. Well, I'm glad that someone around here is trying to be mature. So then, over at the other place, this is where Margot is like, is having her panic attack now in front of Walls and Gromit. And Lottie's like, I mean, how long is this woman gonna cry next to Walls and Gromit? which is just the most comedic thing ever. I'm trying not to laugh. I mean, honestly, Margot's freaking people out. There are little kids walking by. She's crying her eyes out.

46:58Ben Mandelker: And they're like, what's so scary in that cave? And we do see at one point when they're walking up towards that bench, Margot just stops and starts sobbing. And there was like a lady who was like walking up the path to like a tourist and sees Margot and then just turned around and goes the other direction. Like, I'm not going to be there. They're crying American. No, thank you.

47:14Ronnie Karam: So then the other group are doing a cheese tour and talking about the milk tankers and all this stuff. And then we see Kimmy, and she's like, what exactly is the chattering process? Tell us all about it. I can't wait to hear about chattering.

47:31Ben Mandelker: But every time you layer, you stack the cheddar curds, and there's a process called chattering. Oh, sorry, and this is exactly why you can call it cheddar in other countries, because of the process. It's like, yes, exactly, cheddar is actually an Anglo-Saxon word for kudur, which means hidden place, which refers to the caves where the cheese was first originated, so it's a lot of history. Oh, well, that's fascinating. Is there an Anglo-Saxon word for dumb fucking idiot? Because that's what we're going to call our friend Margo after this.

48:00Ronnie Karam: Back to the bench. Margo's like...

48:05Ronnie Karam: So the producers are like, okay, I guess we'll take her back to Longleat. Jeez. So they put her back...

48:10Ben Mandelker: I'm terribly sorry, ma 'am, but there's a law that you're not allowed to show this many emotions in the English countryside, so we'll have to take you back to London if you don't mind.

48:20Ronnie Karam: You have officially gone against the Wallace and Gromit law. No crying on park benches. Sorry.

48:26Ben Mandelker: Unfortunately, Americans are only allowed to have a certain number of emotions per day, and you've gone over your quota. We'll have to take you back to the city now.

48:35Ronnie Karam: So Kimmy is talking about how she went to cooking school, and she's like, I know all about these kinds of outfits, because I have to put on rubber gloves and stuff like that. And she's like, I find it kind of hard. I mean, no man would say that no to a woman that knows how to make chatter.

48:52Ben Mandelker: I love when she has her little witticisms that sometimes don't even really make sense, but she sort of sells them because she sort of shimmies her chest forward and raises her chin. She's like, no man would say no to a woman that knows how to make chatter. It's like, what are you saying? Like, I mean, no man would ever deny a woman who's ever held a dustboxer in one hand and a cheese doodle in the other. am I white?

49:18Ronnie Karam: So Mark's, they're like, do you like burrata, Mark? And he's like, oh God, it's clingy and it's a lot to swallow. And Emma's like, oh God, you've never said that before.

49:29Ben Mandelker: Hold on, let me do an American thing. That's what she said. Okay, you got that on camera. Congratulations. Is this how they say it in America?

49:39Ronnie Karam: That's what Henry II said. You know,

49:43Ben Mandelker: Anne Boleyn gave the first that's what she said joke it's what got her up in that attic in the first place we own her actually

49:49Ronnie Karam: we own her ghosts if you think you need to go to paris fashion week think again you need to come to cheddar gorge darling look at these outfits by the way mark is having the fun he's

50:02Ben Mandelker: like cracking up at all like the cheesy elements of this tour because it is a tourist destination so there's a lot of things that's like cheddar gorgeous gorgeous cheddar gorgeous gorgeous cheddar and he's like oh look here we are at gorgeous cheddar look at look at the symbol tourists enjoying their cheddar is this the first time you've ever had cheddar before oh welcome

50:23Ronnie Karam: so lottie and missy are back having lunch i feel so bad they're like stuck at the most depressing area in the world and everyone else is having so much fun and they're like do you think they got

50:32Ben Mandelker: no activity they are eating sad sandwiches in this cafeteria i guess missy okay it's like she's better but you know she has a lot going on and so like yeah she can't really fight nasty with

50:44Ronnie Karam: nastiness with nastiness so they try and call her to make sure she's okay but she won't answer the phone so instead they call micah and tell her what's going on and they're like she's having like um some sort of a panic attack in the car we arrived at the caves now she's looking go she's going back i don't know please do something please we spoke to the the medic on set and they said

51:05Ben Mandelker: that Margot was having an acute case of Americaness. And we thought that's terrible. So they're going to try to get us some medication, probably give us some Velveeta and perhaps watching some depraved television shows, things like that, and hoping for the best.

51:21Ronnie Karam: She has Tenerica states of anitis. Please, please help her. Missy's like, yeah, I told her it wasn't cool. You were shouting across the garden and you go and call him freak and that's not okay. And she thought we were like attacking her. And Micah's like, oh, wow. Oh, jeez. Are you okay there, Micah? Darling, what's wrong? Darling, you are right, darling. She's like, well, I'm okay. But I just got a call that Margo's unwell. Does she have a case of arthritis?

51:56Ben Mandelker: Did she drip? And Emma's like, oh, how unwell. She said, well, she had some sort of severe panic attack. I think she's been triggered by everything. Oh, so you mean that she's sad?

52:09Ronnie Karam: Oh, God, what's triggered? What is this, a foreign language? Please, is she sad? Is that what you're saying? She's sad?

52:16Ben Mandelker: So Martha's like, oh, you guys, excuse me.

52:18Ronnie Karam: I think Kimmy's like, don't bring me that triggered shit. We're not doing that here.

52:24Ben Mandelker: Kimmy doesn't give a fuck. So Martha's like, excuse me, excuse me. So Emma is like, well, I hope that she's all right. That was a joke. That's what she said. And she was me. So Kimmy is like, oh, yeah, well, I hope she's all right or whatever. So Martha's like trying to call Margot. But Margot is not taking Martha's call because we knew this would happen. We knew that Martha was going to get burned because she's in the middle of this feud and she's trying to play both sides. And I think that, like, you know. I think Kimmy has been pretty good about when she's been frustrated with with Martha Martha's sort of like on the fence role with this she's just said it right to Martha's face and then Martha's defended her position and Kimmy's like well whatever I still love you well whatever and then they just get on with it but Margot of course now is going to make Martha feel so bad and I

53:14Ronnie Karam: think it's yeah it is and I've thought this whole time watching this you know Martha is going to bat like this for her but margot would never do this for martha and we've even seen it like at the beginning where she's like i won't be your friend if you don't get your shit together martha which i get the sentiment because i've been friends with people who were a mess too and you're like you know get it together but at the same time like someone who's going through it you don't just be like i have to back away from this friendship if you don't get it it's like that girl's cut and run the second thing she is so martha's fighting to the mat for her but will Margo do the same?

53:48Ronnie Karam: I mean, Margo just used you to get on a TV show. And as we've seen many times on these shows that never last, they always betray your ass.

53:57Ben Mandelker: Well, Margo's also going to try to pull the reality star thing of like, you have to have my back. If you don't have my back, then we're not friends. It's like a really, really annoying thing. I don't know if it's an American thing, but it's just like a tiresome, you know, a cliche on these shows. Like you don't have my back. I I mean, because what we will find out is that her issue is that, like, yes, she defends me. But then when she's with me, she's always critical of me. So does she really have my back? It's like, oh, my God. Get over it.

54:25Ronnie Karam: Yeah, she's a child. So Martha's like, oh, God, even our cheese tasting is about her. I've got too much for me. I can't take her. I can't take her. So Martha's just distraught in the background, listening to voicemail over and over. And then we go back to Missy and Lottie. And Lottie's like, you know, I'm going to have to throw this crystal away. because I've watered with me two days in a row and it's fucking done jack shit. I mean, it's supposed to protect me, but it's made everything worse. Get rid of it. And then Missy goes, damn rocks.

54:56Ben Mandelker: Don't yell near the garden. So now we go to the Longleat Giraffe Paddock and now we see all these giraffes and they shoot it in such a Jurassic Park style because they all get out of their cars and then like look up and like clutch their chest. like oh my god it's happening it's like and then we see these beautiful giraffes and they're like they're very they're i mean they're very affected they're like intertwining their necks they're

55:26Ronnie Karam: like yes i love that when they're standing like this like their necks are crossed and like look at us we're doing formations there shall be no yelling in our garden this is the giraffe paddock oh god Rothschild's giraffes are so endangered and to be so close to them what a magical experience and look at their lashes so the least profound thing I could say about a giraffe but still and Martha's like oh their eyelashes god give me their eyelashes Rothschild giraffes

55:59Ben Mandelker: they have these long white socks on and they're just so glamorous I bet they know how to make

56:06Ronnie Karam: some cheddar don't they so they're feeding them leaves and they won't take they won't take it from mark but i think it's because mark's like oh do you want it he can't have it do you want it can't have it i was like that one of those things is about to headbutt you don't with the giraffe

56:23Ben Mandelker: the draft's like stop prancing around this garden and give me the leaves hey he's like give me the leaves freak wait a minute wait a second has margot been here so then uh martha martha's like sad and missy's like have you spoken to marco yet and margo's like i've messaged with her and is she okay i don't know this person it's this defensiveness that's come out she's not doing herself any favors i don't agree with the way she's been behaving margo back in the day was the life and the soul of the party. She was so funny. She was so sharp and everything was a joke. And now she takes even a joke so seriously.

57:05Ronnie Karam: Yeah. She's like, who is this person that I'm friends with? And so now we go back to Longleat. Um, and well, we're going back there. Lottie, Mike and Mark, Emma are all in a van together. And, uh, Emma's like, um, well, is Lottie all And Mark says, oh, God, exactly. We were concerned about Lottie. Mark is like, have you felt stress levels? And she goes, well, I did step away because I just thought, oh, God, I don't want my child to get infected with whatever that Americanitis is. That's awful.

57:36Ben Mandelker: I was a bit stressed, I must admit, but mainly because I was thinking, could we ever someday do a three-piece suit for a Rothschild giraffe? That would be a triumph.

57:46Ronnie Karam: She accused us of saying that we were coming at her and bullying. Oh, God, bullying again. So now you're bullies, too. Everyone's a bully. She says, yes, we're bullies, too. But I was like, you know, when you don't get your way, you start crying. Oh, she had to play the victim again.

58:02Ben Mandelker: Margot has done everything in her power to come across as very self-confidently, a very self-confident lady. Why would she care what we think, then? It's absurd. This is a charade.

58:13Ronnie Karam: And did you see that he was on Watch What Happens Live last night with Kush Jumbo, who I love. Love Kush. So he was on there with her and apparently it was really good. I'm actually going to watch it later. I saw a clip, a brief clip. Yes. One of them is Andy saying, didn't you feel bad that she like had a panic attack and all this stuff? Like, did you feel guilty? And he said, well, I would have. But then I saw the text thread where she was bragging about having an Oscar winning performance the next day. Wow. So apparently she was bragging about like faking and having a great scene on TV. So there you go.

58:50Ben Mandelker: So they dropped Mark off at his pub where he's staying. And that's also going to be where dinner is. So everyone starts to arrive at this beautiful, beautiful dinner. By the way, the weather for this weekend was amazing. I feel like that's like a miracle that they had like three sunny days in a row. It just was absolutely gorgeous. Clear skies, sun. It was like magical. And this dinner with the little table and the trees, I was like, I need to go to Longleaf. If the aim of this was to sell Longleat as a destination, I have been sold on it. And I'm going to go there. I swear to God. I am literally going to go to Longleat.

59:28Ronnie Karam: Just don't keep anything expensive in your room. Yeah. Because you can break in there real easy. Yeah. It's super easy. So now they all get ready and go to dinner. And Margo has left. She has left the trip. And Mark's like, no note. This is almost as bad as screaming in a garden And my father's like, no, no No, thank you, goodbye, nothing And I was like, oh god She left and she didn't even leave a note

59:59Ben Mandelker: She just evaporated It's like, well, it's a bit of a relief I hate to say it, but it's like At least we'll have one evening where it's like no drama Oh my god, finally a fun night So anyway, does anyone want to know how someone else died in my family?

1:00:11Ronnie Karam: Oh, thank god Thank God I prayed to King Cheddar today. Get rid of her. Get rid of her, I say.

1:00:21Ben Mandelker: Well, I'm assuming that she went back to London. Someone drove her there. I hope she didn't spread her Americanness around the countryside. And Lottie's like, well, I assume so. Well, she didn't walk. We're not that desperate to leave. She took a giraffe. Oh!

1:00:37Ronnie Karam: And Martha, meanwhile, Martha's like, oh. My poor Marco, what's happened to us? So they have appetizers and they start from that. Something's served on a crumpet. So they start joking about crumpets.

1:00:52Ben Mandelker: And you're really in England if you have a crumpet. Oh, darling, you're a crumpet.

1:01:01Ronnie Karam: So they toast to Emma for giving them a wonderful vacation. and Kimmy's like, and I also want to say, Mark, I'm really proud of you. He's like, what, being honest? No, it was just nice to see a part of you. It was so vulnerable. I loved seeing it. The way that you almost cried, please don't. Please don't disgust. The way that you were feeling things, please don't accuse me of that. The way that you had so many emotions coming out of your soul, don't accuse me of having a soul. Please, you're going one step too far.

1:01:30Ben Mandelker: I just was glad I wasn't the only one this season who made a total fool of herself by shedding a tear, am I right? Whoa, I was able to keep the woodworks behind. You're the one who failed on this one. Oh, I guess you're right.

1:01:43Ronnie Karam: And see, it's like, well, when you feel comfortable, you can emote, apparently. Well, I also think it's difficult to hear things that might have triggered things in your past that have been, get that, I said triggered, stupid American, two can play at this game.

1:01:59Ben Mandelker: And I've been with you for it, and I respect you for it. And I just want to say cheers to you, to your Beauvais little ass, Beauvoir ass, Bavarian ass, whatever that French term is about omelets. That's you right now. Cheers, Hufflepuff.

1:02:14Ronnie Karam: Well, some of us are just made of tuffle stuff. So they cheers again. And Emma's like, oh, my God, Mark actually showed that he was a human this week. It's unbelievable. So they all thank Emma. They go around the table thanking her. and uh kimmy says yeah not all my friends have roth's child's roth's you know

1:02:38Ben Mandelker: it's interesting because it's such a foreign concept for me to be so open literally foreign it's american it's a strange feeling it feels good but also a little scary and maybe at this point in my life it's about time i did this there you go americans now you have something that you can run with i'm going back to my rococo home now

1:02:56Ronnie Karam: so he orders the pigeon and they're like oh my god that's gonna run remind martha of hecate and she's like it's not martha's not having the best time not so we just see clips of them i mean it's like clip after clip and they're just laughing and having a good time which is so rare on these shows it's fun to watch but it's yeah not a lot to talk about because they're just like having fun

1:03:19Ben Mandelker: and laughing it's just literally they are just there enjoying each other's company and all they want to do is crack jokes and yes and each other and just get drunk and have a good time and it was like actually such a joyful scene full of true mirth that it was contagious to watch like i was sitting there chuckling along as if i was sitting at the table it was just it was a delight What did you say?

1:03:45Ronnie Karam: Isn't mirth sadness?

1:03:48Ben Mandelker: I thought mirth was happiness.

1:03:51Ronnie Karam: Think of sadness. Oh, it's amusement. God, my English is terrible. Every time I ask you, I'm wrong. But you know, I do learn. I do learn throughout these recaps. I thought mirth was sadness. Her clumsy attempt to cut the cake was the cause of much mirth.

1:04:08Ben Mandelker: I'm upset that I can't remember Kimmy's word that she used for the omelet. because I've heard it before, but I just, oh, you know what's so funny? When you write, but those eggs comes up. I wonder if that's because of Kimmy. Oh no, it's actually, it's called omelette beveuse. It refers to a traditional French style omelette that is fully cooked on the outside, but creamy, moist, and slightly runny in the center. I love it. Is there anything that Kimmy can't do? Except, you know, be in touch with her emotions.

1:04:37Ronnie Karam: Getting lit at Longley is old fashioned. It's actually mandatory. All right, tell me your weird experiences. I'm not living in this house because it's got to be haunted. It's like, well, I was lying in bed, and I felt like there was someone there, and then I just felt it on top of me. Oh, my God, like someone was holding you down? Oh, I love that. Can I share that room for the night? I would love that.

1:05:02Ben Mandelker: Can someone send the ghost to my room, please? Oh, ho, ho.

1:05:08Ronnie Karam: Yes. So then Mark is like, oh, God, I loved that pigeon. It's one of the most fabulous beats I've ever savored.

1:05:17Ben Mandelker: Breasts, if you will, in fact. Oh, well, because you've savored all Manny, Mark. They're all just cracking up. But poor Martha, she can't enjoy it because she has a friend who's making her feel like shit right now. Instead of being like, I'm going through it. Enjoy the rest of your time. We'll talk when we get back. You know, Margo is doing this thing. Like, I'm blocking you. That is such a... Manipulator.

1:05:40Ronnie Karam: Exactly. It's a full-on manipulation.

1:05:42Ben Mandelker: What a fucking asshole. 100%. So they're having like the best night ever. Truly a wonderful, magical night. And Martha's like clearly sad. And she's like, I'm still bumping about Margo. Still don't know where she is. I'm having a lovely time. And you know, when everyone's calm, there's no drama. But I think there's a collective sigh of relief, quite frankly. But it does put her down on my night.

1:06:04Ronnie Karam: so uh now lottie thanks emma it's like a lot of thank you speeches to emma and then she's like but i would also like to invite you because it's our turn to host you all so here i've printed out some flyers to our fashion show and like oh thanks castle castle and days of food and wine to going to see your fashion show i mean i'll come but maybe don't compare it what a lovely

1:06:28Ben Mandelker: middle class activity for us. So, um, I can't wait to celebrate

1:06:34Ronnie Karam: all these people who have things called

1:06:36Ben Mandelker: jobs. I know. Wow. It's like being amongst the London gentry. So then they're joking about fashion and Mark is like, oh, you're very good at modeling cheddar cheese. And we see the video again of them modeling and she's like, well, until the morning, it's not over yet. The fat lady has not sung. And she's like, well, I'll sing later.

1:07:04Ronnie Karam: So now Martha's like, I'm so stressed about Margot. And she's like, darling, she'll be alright. I mean, what is she thinking about how you feel tonight? You know, if she was your friend, she would say, you know what, Martha, I had to leave and I had to think about it. At least send you a message saying I'm alright. But instead, she has you all worried. It's ridiculous and selfish. And you know something? You deserve so much better. So much better.

1:07:27Ben Mandelker: Kimmy's right and again this is where she emphasizes things where when she says ridiculous she like swats the air it's ridiculous I just love her how into it she gets so now it's one week later back in London so Micah shows up at Margot's house and Margot of course opens the door like hi

1:07:48Ronnie Karam: I've been having a panic attack all week hi thank you for coming I know you've got your big event and you haven't seen your kids because you're away. I'm sorry to take this time away from you. She's like, oh, no, I'm happy to be here. I've been thinking about you nonstop, firstly. So what happened? She's like, I don't know. Like, have you ever had a panic attack? And she's like, yeah, actually.

1:08:10Ben Mandelker: I know Margo was like, oh, OK. I thought this was going to be kind of like a Margo has a panic attack scene. But if you say that you've had one, too, that's fine. Anyway, by the way, maybe you're having a panic attack because you can't afford the 60 ,000 pounds a month you owe on this place. but that's besides the point margo's like well i just have never had anything happen like this before i mean you know so i was uh i mean afterwards i mean there was no after the panic attack the panic attack lasted for days which was really scary i mean i couldn't get good sleep i couldn't regulate it was just really awful uh well someone said at some point that

1:08:48Ronnie Karam: maybe it could be postpartum just yeah well there's definitely that yeah and you know your body's changing and your brain yeah i'm not like knowing who you are and people are like you'll never be the same again and i'm like okay but like this is unrecognizable just then she goes this is postpartum isn't it micah's micah's attitude with this is funny because she's just kind of like sitting with her hand her head and her fingers she's like mm-hmm i thought micah was

1:09:13Ben Mandelker: being a very good friend she was i think she was too but you see something ticking back there yes

1:09:18Ronnie Karam: It's like you're full of shit. Yes.

1:09:21Ben Mandelker: Micah is really good about giving you a concerned face. Like I'm listening right now. I'm an etiquette teacher. This is what proper etiquette dictates. But you can tell on the inside, she's like, this is bullshit. Especially when Margo goes, and the absolute worst part, the one thing that I thought about every time the panic attack would come on was Martha. I was like, okay.

1:09:43Ronnie Karam: So now we're going to blame Martha for your panic attacks. Yeah, and then I really started to think about it. You know, like Martha's defended me to everyone. Like she really has. But when she talks to me, she's not like supportive to me. Oh, my God. You are an asshole. You are an asshole. Everybody agrees. And now you're going to turn it on this person who you know is in a weak spot and going through it. You're a horrible fucking human being. Get your fucking bullshit panic attack out of here. I don't even want to hear it. And anyone who does have panic attacks or does suffer with stuff like that, you should be mad at someone like this who is completely using this as fodder to get her way like a child.

1:10:22Ben Mandelker: Yeah, and especially because as you brought up very sagely earlier before, Margot totally employed tough love with Martha in what I would actually argue is a more delicate situation, which is looking through your old items of your old life when you were wealthy and stuff from your sister who has passed. that is such a vulnerable place to be in and margot came in with super hot uh tough love and then here she is being saying like well she's not supportive of me and then all we see is clips of martha giving her tough love being like you shouldn't act this way like as your as your friend you should be this way and margot would be the first person to be like well i would give tough love because as a friend that's what you're supposed to do and martha does it to margo and margo's like she's not being supportive of me it's like you know what shut the up bitch you're wrong

1:11:07Ronnie Karam: yeah she's ridiculous so then um she's like uh you know and i'm like martha i don't have a problem with mark they have a problem with me well you know maybe it's that she's in the middle of two friendships and neither are going super well and um then we go to martha and now we see martha's makeover her her home just happened yeah and it looks cute it looks really cute it turned out great yeah she has that great and then we even see um hecate's like little place in the attic Like they've put the plane in the attic and he's just yelling, he's like, darling, you want to come see mama? And he's just like stretching out like I'm staying on my plane.

1:11:44Ronnie Karam: But then he eventually does come down and sits right on top of her head.

1:11:48Ben Mandelker: That was the most amazing image of Ekati just sitting on Martha's head. And like the place is like filled with flowers. I mean, you know, what I love about Martha is that she has such a defined personal style. I always respect people so much who are like that. And it just was, it felt cozy in there. and I like the way she described it. She goes, oh, God. Well, my grotto just started to look a little bit like my home. It's chintzy.

1:12:17Ben Mandelker: She's, like, so happy how chintzy it is.

1:12:19Ronnie Karam: And Kimmy's on the phone with her, and she says, oh, it's kind of a fresh star for you, like maybe a new platform. Oh, God, the bird's on your head. The bird's on your head.

1:12:28Ben Mandelker: And you actually really see how big Hecate is. Like, it is on her head. It is a big, tall bird. And she just has it on her head.

1:12:35Ronnie Karam: So Martha asks if she's spoken to Mark or Margot. It's like, no, but I've been really busy since I got back. But who I'm worried about is yo. I'm not worried about her. I'm worried about yo. She says, well, Margot's not speaking to me, and I'm not quite sure what I've done. I don't know. She seems pretty crass with me right now.

1:12:53Ben Mandelker: I just still can't get hold of Margot. She's blocked me. I can't. I don't know where she is. I can't get hold of her. She's blocked me. My messages are not going through. Oh, well, I would not worry about that woman. I think she's full of shit. I can't blame Mark for being annoyed. And so then we go back to Margot's house and she goes, well, I guess this freak thing really triggered Mark somehow. Michael's like, yeah, I've actually never seen him like this before. He said growing up, he was teased and this was like one word that apparently the other boys used to tease him. Because, you know, I don't know if you realize he's gay and when you call a gay person a freak, it sort of has like a lingering effect.

1:13:28Ben Mandelker: Well, that was never my intention. I never meant to hurt him in a deep way. I'm like, that's what Mark has been saying. all this time about his stupid commentary about your boots and your crushed velour.

1:13:39Ronnie Karam: But the thing that's coming into my mind right now, like if you were bullied, then how can you bully me and hurt my feelings and do all that? Oh, God, shut up.

1:13:47Ben Mandelker: Do you not know about how bullying works? People who are bullied, they usually just go and bully people.

1:13:55Ronnie Karam: But he's also not bullying you. He's not bullying you. Give me a break. So Micah is saying, you know, my thought is if you're in the wrong and you can't see it and other people tell you, trust me, you're in the wrong, then you should listen. But I don't think Margo's ever heard that. And Margo says, well, hurt people hurt people. She goes, yeah, I know it seems impossible right now, but you should, away from everyone else, go have a coffee with Mark and go in with love.

1:14:20Ben Mandelker: And Micah's like, yeah, Margo used her words without thinking. And sometimes the biggest thing you can do in life is say, I'm sorry, Dara. I'm sorry, I mean, Margo. So then Micah is like, what feels natural for you to say? Actually, I'm not – you know what? Let's not go with that because I already know it's a disaster. She goes, look. OK, here I'm going to write. I'll say, look. She wants to start a text to Mark by saying, look. She's like, don't start with look. Don't start with look.

1:14:47Ronnie Karam: That sounds like attitude, like look. She goes, OK, but it's like saying like look, you know. She goes, no, don't do that. And so Marcus says, OK, I know everybody says nice things about you, so you must be nice in there somewhere, right? No, I shouldn't say that either. She's like, no, erase that. Just say this. My words were deeply hurtful. My words were deeply hurtful, you ninny. No, don't say ninny. Don't say ninny. If you were a burrito, your flavor would be fagito, a fagito burrito. Okay?

1:15:21Ben Mandelker: Just say you found a stepstool from the Jacobian court, and it has lots of gold, gold paisley embellishments on it, and he'll be over here in a second. but that's all you do, speak his language.

1:15:34Ronnie Karam: Everyone needs an etiquette coach in their lives. So she basically writes the text for her. She sends it. And one week later, Mark is sitting with Margo. Margo's like, I mean, it's just really funny to me that every time I see you, you're like, like so big. I mean, you're so fake. I mean, the reason I used the word freak, I wasn't talking about you as your behavior. Like you came and you touched me and you like tried to be flirtatious and he's just like horrified and he goes oh she's a lunatic has marco not been around

1:16:08Ben Mandelker: like a gay british pop before like the fact that she's now turning it into like you're trying to be flirtatious like ma 'am she is you have she's she's pulling out every trick you know screw this chick man yeah and it's like i feel like i have like low tolerance for these American reality show tricks or tactics on the show like this because the show feels so special and I love I love the British humor on the show I love the way they all are how they all engage with each other and Margot just sticks out like a sore thumb like she just shouldn't belong here but I mean she does 100 % because this is the role she sticks out like a sore thumb she can't figure it out she can't mix and she's trying to do all these American kind of manipulations and reality star manipulations and they all won't have it and it's great for the show because we It's always good to have a villain, but it's also like, get out of here.

1:17:01Ben Mandelker: You're ruining everything, but at the same time, she has to be here. That's how shows need their villains. So, yeah.

1:17:07Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I don't need Margot to get kicked off. I've found Margot very entertaining through the whole season. But God, what an ass.

1:17:15Ben Mandelker: It's like your instinct wants to say, get out of here. Just let the cool people hang out and talk and have a fun time. But it's like, you know, Margot is an essential part of this. She needs to be here.

1:17:24Ronnie Karam: She is. She is. But she wasn't originally cast. It was originally Dara. She was just going to be a friend of. And so they went with her last minute. And she is moving along drama. But I don't believe shows need somebody to move around phony, panic attack kind of drama. I don't know that that's what they need. I think if they do come back and they do get rid of her, they should get another Brit who's really catty and funny. Because they don't need another fucking whiny American. I can't. And I like Micah and I like Kimmy obviously is one of the Americans, although I guess she's kind of on the cusp.

1:17:57Ronnie Karam: Right. But they need like another really catty Brit, not a Lottie, not a Missy, someone like a female version of a Mark.

1:18:07Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that like, yeah, it's I like the contrast of Margo being there. I like how she's making me so angry. And I like how there's like, oh, fuck this person. but I agree that the it's just like the reality show tropes that she is sort of leaning into when this show has been so refreshing because it's not been about that is like very frustrating like I would like to not have that I feel like she's sort of poisoning the show but it seems like the rest of the cast is like yeah we're not going to allow this like we're not going to bend to your knee and that makes me happy but I guess we'll see what happens next week and yeah fun times

1:18:46Ronnie Karam: Time will tell. I can't wait for that scene between them. He's just like, oh, she's a lunatic. It just dawned on him like, oh, I've been fighting with a crazy person. It was like that moment in Real Housewives of New York where Kelly was going crazy on Scary Island and Sonny was finally like, guys, we're fighting with somebody who's not even with us. We need to stop. I think it's getting to the point now where it's not fair.

1:19:12Ben Mandelker: Yeah.

1:19:13Ronnie Karam: So, all right. Thanks, everybody, so much for being here. We will talk to you next time. Bye.

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