#3339 Summer House S10E13 Part One: Hit Me Hard and Soft

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1:28Ben Mandelker: So much that crap ends.

1:58Ben Mandelker: How's it going? Hello. How are you, honey? I'm very excited because not only do we get to recap Summer House in about a few minutes, but we have a big, huge announcement this June, the first week of June in New York City. Ronnie and I are doing a cabaret. It's official. Why let the housewives have all the fun? We're going to do a cabaret also. And not only is it, it's not just any cabaret. We are doing a cabaret courtesy of Ben Remmelauer, who was the one who put Countess Luann on the map for cabaret. So we're going to be doing that at Green Room 42. This is going to be on June 3rd and June 5th, two shows.

2:39Ben Mandelker: And these are small rooms. It's going to be intimate. It's going to be fun. We're calling it Forbidden Housewives, a Watch What Crappens Cabaret. And it's going to be so fun. The tickets went on sale this morning. There's a link on our Instagram. And I'm a big dumb-dumb. I forgot to put it on our website. But by the time this is published, the link will be on the website, everyone. Don't you worry. But we're going to have so much fun with it. We're just going to be silly and stupid and sing songs and make fun of our favorite housewives and beyond. Are you excited, Ronnie?

3:13Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited and I'm terrified. I'm excited. I'm terrified. I'm excited for June 6th, for sure. Because, yikes, I'm very, very scared. but it's going to be a fun month we had a meeting yesterday and worked through songs and stuff like that and it should be pretty fun you know now we just have to do it and we haven't yeah written it yet so we're starting to write it right now so god bless us this is really like summer stock okay guys here's a month yeah write a show you know so it's gonna be fun i told dom i was like i was like oh

3:47Ben Mandelker: man i was like i have to memorize all these songs he's like how many do you have to memorize i was like maybe like four or five. He's like, that's it? I was like, that's a lot for me.

3:56Ronnie Karam: But I have to write them to you. It's not just memory. Come on. You see, you can't tell anybody. I can't tell anybody in my life either. They have no pity for me. They're like, who cares? You do that. You love to do that. You're making up show tunes all day long. I'm like, so what? This is different. There's going to be people there. I'm not in the shower.

4:14Ben Mandelker: I know. I think the making up the show tunes will be fine. It's just remembering the words. You know, you don't want to put all that effort into writing lyrics and then forget them or mangle them so we'll see we'll see how i mean it's it's going to be great no matter what we're gonna have fun and if we mess up we're just going to crack up i mean look watch what crap happens if there's anything that has uh been synonymous with our

4:35Ronnie Karam: brand it's goofs so well that's true and you know the hardest thing in this uh this business called show is failing and we fail all the time and so i think that we've said we've studied we've set ourselves up for success we're fine with failing so there you go that's all we need then if if we

4:53Ben Mandelker: happen to have an oversized bedazzled songbook in front of us with lyrics for all our songs

4:59Ronnie Karam: don't be mad at us we will aspire to be off script yeah we've already given each other permission to do that so yeah point is it's going to be so fun come party with us in new york city as far as a tour we're still waiting on dates but we are going to be going on tour soon as well so So check back for that. But right now, this is it. We're so excited. So come see that. Get tickets. They're on sale now. They're really only a couple hundred tickets. So go get them.

5:26Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Hopefully they won't last long.

5:28Ronnie Karam: Come on, people.

5:29Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Yeah. Fingers crossed that we can sell out because it's a small venue for us. And I think it'll be wonderful and cozy. And we're just going to have the best time. Yeah. It's going to be great. So join us.

5:44Ronnie Karam: Do it. So today is Summer House. If you want this on video, if you want bonus episodes, ad-free listening, Discord server to talk to each other, all that good stuff, go to patreon.com. And today is Summer House Season 10, Episode 13, Ship Happens.

6:02Ben Mandelker: This was an episode. Wow, what an episode.

6:05Ronnie Karam: I felt bad for Carl that they didn't even put soft in the title.

6:09Ben Mandelker: I know, it is sort of weird that they emphasize the boat ride. it felt like so much this episode was that soft bar launch that's everyone's talking about today lindsey and carl's mom like that's all everyone can talk about because that was obviously the most cringe-worthy moment of the episode oh i was so i loved every second i don't give sharon a fucking inch i loved it i was like i was trying to anticipate i i was like ron's gonna have that exact reaction that you just had right there ronnie will be so happy but i was like i'm like uh Well, we'll get to it. We'll get to it. That's a tease for later in the episode.

6:47Ben Mandelker: Wow. The Safar launch was a who's who of former castmates. Not all of them even got mentioned, Imral. But, you know, it was great.

6:56Ronnie Karam: Oh, is Imral there? I didn't even notice Imral. Yeah, he was there. I'm not even saying that to be mean. I really didn't notice.

7:01Ben Mandelker: Well, there was at one point where Lindsay's like, wow, it's like a reunion. There's like Luke and Andrea and also like this person and that person. And they had mentioned like everyone except for Imral, which I thought was funny. So, anywho, we are, it's August 23rd, two days before Ronnie's birthday, and it's 11 a.m. This was when you were 49, Ronnie. Oh, gosh, those were the days. You were in a different decade. Those were the days.

7:31Ronnie Karam: Those were the days before I was feeling random bumps in my body and being like, what is that? Maybe that's something. Like, I'm feeling my knee right now. It's supposed to be bumpy, Ronnie. It's supposed to be bumpy. Yeah. life so life is bumps um especially on this show so um everyone's in the kitchen they're like boat day boat day and they're going on a boat okay yeah so they're packing everything up for the boat we get a lot of that um yeah a lot of packing up for for the for the boat ride and just wacky stuff scott says bye to mia he's already out of there he's been there five minutes and he's out bye

8:08Ben Mandelker: see you in six months okay gone yeah and uh they uh he leaves and then they're getting in the car and ben says good vibes only yeah i mean when i think of ben i think good vibes only all the time and uh in the car with me kyle and jesse uh jesse's like i'm excited to get some sun today gotta get that sun don't let the sun go down on me babe i can't believe so west and sierra i mean

8:39Ronnie Karam: this is just me jumping to 13 000 conclusions but is there a world in which she acknowledges she still has lingering feelings or is that not is that not this chat because this is at the same time this is happening sierra and west are having their big meeting about being best friends again where West easily manipulates the situation and makes Sierra think that, I don't know, they're in love again. I don't know what's happening on this show because now the whole cast is running around going, oh my God, you guys, West and Sierra made up. Did you hear West and Sierra made up? Are they together again?

9:14Ronnie Karam: Are we 13? How old are the people on this show? I mean, Jesus Christ, I know I'm an old grumpy bitch. I know that I am. I admit it. But am I that old? Are people still running around like, Oh my god, did you kiss?

9:29Ben Mandelker: I can imagine. I mean, it's been such a thing. Like, oh my god, are they friends? These are very young people, too. Don't forget, they are young people.

9:38Ronnie Karam: Kyle's 43.

9:41Ben Mandelker: In age only.

9:44Ronnie Karam: That's true. Come on. I'm like, guys, are they going to kiss again? What's going to happen? And it's the whole fucking episode. Every time they go somewhere, someone else is like, Did you hear about West and Sierra? Do you think they made out?

9:59Ben Mandelker: If you have an issue with Kyle's age, take it up with a portrait in the attic at the summer house. No kidding.

10:05Ronnie Karam: God, give me that Dory Gray shit. Can I tell you something?

10:08Ben Mandelker: Kyle at the Safar launch, I don't think he's ever looked better. He looked so fucking good at Safar. I was like, his hair, he's got like a great head of hair. He just looks fantastic. He just looks better and better. i think i think as he realizes the finish line is in sight for his marriage he somehow is actually drawing energy from that and it's like making him full of splendor normally as a marriage crumbles some people tend to look more decrepit in age but he i think is is drawing some sort of life force from it he's like the marathon runner who sees the finish line coming up yeah that last like

10:46Ronnie Karam: an infinity stone charging up just euthening i don't know what that is um

10:55Ronnie Karam: oh does that have to do with the car it's a marvel universe thing but actually now that i think about it i don't think that guy ever really got younger with infinity stones he just got more powerful he still stayed up um i have an infinity stone it's just like a little bit larger huh

11:08Ben Mandelker: calvary trance be quiet so

11:15Ben Mandelker: so like my infinity stone was given to me by jimmy lee curtis so like i don't know um but uh kyle i saw something this morning i think courtesy of our dear friend bravo and botox bravo and botox was saying they made a comment on one of the social medias social medias about how Wes went on to his podcast and was like, I just want people to blame, don't be mad at Amanda, be mad at me and they should come for me and not like Amanda. He said something like that. And so Bravo and Botox wisely pointed out that he says, don't be mad at Amanda, be mad at me. But then when there's been all these multiple leaks from Summer House at this point, not just that first one, how Wes hasn't said anything while Amanda's just taking it on the chin from the listening audience over and over and over again.

12:15Ben Mandelker: And Wes has just been sitting there silently. So Kyle chimed in and he basically was like, yeah, this guy is all PR and he's totally ineffective. Like Amanda, he didn't have Amanda's back once during the reunion. He said nothing to support Amanda. And I'm like, I forget why I brought this up right now. it felt like it seemed like a right time to bring it up but just no yeah yeah i saw that too um

12:40Ronnie Karam: and i love that kyle is there was a lot of stuff actually that happened off the show that was fun there was that and then there was lindsey going on watch what happens live with bailey um and you know she was wearing a horsehair necklace that was made by west's girlfriend i guess like the yes girl that he was dating at the same time as amanda and was lying about so there was that And yeah There's been a lot of fun stuff Happening outside the show

13:09Ben Mandelker: Yeah a lot of real fun stuff And the quote from Watch What Happens Live That seems to have gone viral Is Lindsay saying something along the lines of Can you imagine using your husband As a decoy for your boyfriend Something like that And everyone's like oh Lindsay Hubbard Mother icon And then that leads to all the Reddit threads

13:27Ronnie Karam: I told you I've liked Lindsay this whole time Because you know there's so many people

13:32Ben Mandelker: People are also mad at Lindsay because of how she treated Carl's mom. So of course you don't need to. Oh,

13:36Ronnie Karam: were they mad at Lindsay? I didn't read. Oh yeah.

13:39Ben Mandelker: Well, I would say 75 % of people are like, wow. Like I forgot. I was, I was thinking that Lindsay was having such a good season and she was so mean to Carl's mom. So a lot of people are like, God, Jesus, Lindsay. And then there's like 25 % that are like, yeah. Like, why would she be nice to Lindsay's mom? I'm to Carl's mom. Like she has every right to be frosty. yeah so we'll get into that one i'm sure we'll have a spirited debate um which i should say a spirited low stakes debate because who cares very low stakes yeah the steak is on the ground the dog

14:16Ronnie Karam: is eating the steak okay very very low there's not even an actual steak it's just it's a it's a vienna sausage it's on the ground yeah um so yeah so back to kyle like is there a world that she acknowledges she still has feelings or he was like first things first let them try to have a friendship yeah but in a different world they got back together at this coffee talk i'm just a helpless romantic and ben goes no you're not what are you talking about you're like you're the least romantic person we've ever seen on television kyle i know he's like you're just help you're

14:51Ben Mandelker: just hopeless so jesse's like what if we what if they're just like hand in hand in the air like welcome us on the boat ben's like that would be the best thing ever almost as good as sabrina bell getting ready for dinner on time so then uh they show up and that's what's confusing me and i think

15:08Ronnie Karam: it's confusing sierra as well well i think a lot is confusing sierra mostly west telling people he saw the crush on her holding her in these tight embraces for 10 minutes at a time sniffing her in as he's doing in this episode so there's a lot that's confusing here but the cast seems to think like oh they made up so now they're going to be boyfriend and girlfriend again is that what everyone's thinking because i thought they were just saying let's be friends again but now it looks like they're getting back together i'm so confused by this show i think can we just go back to normal terminology because i feel like this is what happened when everybody was like you can't say boyfriend and girlfriend so fast or you can't say like love you can't say the l word before a certain amount of time everybody made these rules that made it so difficult so now you're just like but we're friends no you're not you're not friends stop telling me you're friends like if we need to come up with other alternative you know alternative um you know words for it then come up with that but you're confusing me as an audience member i need clear labels on what's happening here

16:10Ben Mandelker: ronnie's like what happened to the day i've just said i'm going steady with someone

16:13Ronnie Karam: well truly you used to be like well we're going out well what does that mean if you said you're going out like you're dating if you go out a couple of times with somebody and you're fucking them then it's not so weird to say i'm going out with them but now it's like oh you can't commit to somebody you need to fuck them for at least six months and then decide if you're i don't know it's just all backwards i don't understand why we've made it so difficult yeah yeah i'll say i love you to the checkout lady i don't care if i feel love in that moment i'll say it to somebody

16:42Ben Mandelker: i don't need all these rules it's it is it's a lot and as we all know summer house is the show that requires the highest degree of intellectual analysis to figure out what's going on at any given moment.

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18:45Ben Mandelker: Hi, this is Mark Bittman from the podcast Food with Mark Bittman. Spring means literally to burst forth, to grow, and that's what we're talking about both in our kitchens and at Whole Foods Market. Freshness and seasonality is what's happening at Whole Foods Market right now. With the season's first new potatoes, spring onions, artichokes, favas, snap peas, radishes, spinach, and other spring greens, and more. Enjoy the fresh flavors of spring and save at Whole Foods Market.

19:40Ben Mandelker: I was going to say, why don't you breathe in me more, Ronnie?

19:43Ronnie Karam: Why don't you breathe me in?

19:45Ben Mandelker: Jesus. What am I, a chup liver?

19:47Ronnie Karam: We've been friends for 20 years. You can't breathe me in once in a while?

19:50Ben Mandelker: Why don't we hug, why don't you ever take a long inhale through your nose? I'm like, what's going on with that? What am I, like, not good enough to be inhaled? Waiting for exhale. Am I un-inhalable now? Waiting for exhale. How about waiting to inhale? Okay? What's the matter? Okay, guys.

20:06Ronnie Karam: How about Stella got her smell back and inhaled me? Okay.

20:10Ben Mandelker: That's in the cabaret. It's in the cabaret. Putting it in the cabaret. Waiting to inhale. By Bethany Frankel.

20:19Ronnie Karam: Okay. So they go see Wes and Sierra and they greet them like they just came back from war.

20:25Ben Mandelker: Like, oh my God, it's Wes and Sierra. Are you guys together? Congratulations on your gold medal that you guys got. They're literally like hand in hand. Which, by the way, I'm convinced the producers were like, they were predicting they'd be standing there hand in hand. I'm sure the producer said, when they come in, can you put your hands together and raise them over your head? I guarantee it. That's like a men's warehouse guarantee, too. It has that much authority behind it.

20:50Ronnie Karam: We want a celebratory scene. It's episode 13. Give us our hands in the air. What did George Bush do when he was telling everybody he won Iraq after two days? It's like, mission accomplished. Yes, mission accomplished. We need you to wear a mission accomplished t-shirt.

21:09Ben Mandelker: that's what the scene needed mission accomplished that would have been the perfect metaphor that's you know what christina that's the that's the episode art please mission accomplished maybe that's a hundred percent that so um i love that you're ready

21:24Ronnie Karam: to print everything we're saying today like you know what i'm like that's the one print it print

21:29Ben Mandelker: it i'll give me a cigar um when's it that's okay so uh they were like everything oh my god that's exactly what i was hoping they'd be doing like did they hear us like this is the beast oh my god we're so happy so lots of hugs everyone's celebrating and they're all happy because it's been two years of tension between the two of them okay jay's like did you guys just get

21:48Ronnie Karam: fucking married west is like kind of yeah basically if we do just what i hope they'd be doing so yeah they're all going crazy and now it's time to go on the boat get on the boat get on the boat

22:04Ben Mandelker: so they're on the boat they were gonna get on the boat and now they're on the boat and they're there and they're sitting around they're like chatting and whatever and um they're just talking about like extra clothes and yada yada they're sort of just like taking pictures and selfie the boat leaves and mia asks um sierra how her conversation with west was and sierra's like good like honestly good as weird as it is like i do feel like he is my person like we have this like really weird friendship and it's like hard to ignore that you know i'm just gonna pause and let the audience cringe for some reason that i'll find out why in a few months okay oh my god he's your person no

22:39Ronnie Karam: come on just i'm rooting for you i'm rooting for you why do you keep dropping the ball why i mean this is why i don't this is why i don't watch sports it's my person

22:55Ben Mandelker: it's fucking don't root for anybody yeah this is um this is gonna mess her up now she'll never know who her person is like for real this will really fuck her up and that is so messed up of west to do that to someone it really is that's like long-term psychological damage for this stupid hobbit who should fall into the volcano so yeah you only get to say that's my person once right

23:23Ronnie Karam: or is that something that that you can reuse later you can have multiple people i think i don't think

23:28Ben Mandelker: that saying that's my person is like a monogamous thing i think like that's my person's like you can have multiple people that are your people yeah oh i don't i don't know if i if i was with

23:39Ronnie Karam: somebody and they were like oh you're my person i would be i would be like oh my god i'm i'm their person and then i met somebody else he's like oh he said he said that i was their person i'd be like

23:50Ben Mandelker: i would dump i would dump him that person well i guess it depends like this imaginary if you're about your significant other then most likely there's only one but there's a way to say that's my person in terms of like best friend or or a you're like really close friend i'm gonna try it

24:06Ronnie Karam: out i'm gonna go to the grocery store later because i do have to go today and i'm gonna be like hey thank you so much perfect cut of salmon you're my person and see how anybody reacts like if they're if they think it's if they act like whoa are we in love then i'll test it out today I'll let you know how it goes.

24:24Ben Mandelker: Well, you know, I already, I know I've told the story many times on, on, on this podcast about the time that I made a new friend and we went to brunch and she was like, Ben, I love you. And I was like, oh my God. It's like, I love you too. And then the waiter came around and she goes, thank you so much. I love you. I was like, what the fuck?

24:45Ronnie Karam: That's me though. Like I have no problem saying I love you.

24:49Ben Mandelker: Well, well, you know what, Ronnie, you're my person. And I mean it.

24:52Ronnie Karam: Oh, my God. Thank you so much. Okay, so Sierra is like, yeah, that's my person. And Mia is so proud of her. And she's like, I know that's not easy. And Sierra's like, yeah, bitch, that's not me. You know, I just snip people out of my life. Like, everyone knows, obviously, like, I'm not the most warm and fuzzy person. I mean, I am warm, but, like, I might not be fuzzy. But, like, I'm warm and, like, I don't know, like, making up isn't my thing. Actually, I think you're very warm and fuzzy. I think she is actually very warm. Yeah, I think she is very. She's like, she's shown a lot of warmth on this show.

25:29Ronnie Karam: Yeah.

25:30Ben Mandelker: Very warm. Very, very, very warm. Really killing it on the warmth. I do think she's warm. I think though she just is like guard. I just don't think that she just, I think she is a selective on who she's going to like bestow the warmth to. But that doesn't mean you're cold.

25:47Ronnie Karam: I don't think I look. I think that she's very warm and fuzzy, but then when someone fucks her over, she snips them out of her life, which I don't think is crazy. I don't think that's like a dumb thing to do. I think that's called sense. And then when you go back on that and then you let them back in and they do it to you again, that's not good. And that doesn't mean that you overcame something by letting a loser back into your house. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah.

26:15Ben Mandelker: Yeah.

26:16Ronnie Karam: So she says she's trying to be less.

26:19Ben Mandelker: She's trying to be less when they're done.

26:20Ronnie Karam: Get rid of them. There's a billion people in this world. How many times are you going to get fucked over by the same person? Snip them. Get them out of here. You were right the first time. Yeah.

26:28Ben Mandelker: So the the boys are like jumping in the water and playing around having fun. Except for KJ. KJ is sad. He's like, well, he's because he feels both sick or something. So, you know, Dara's like, do you feel sick? Yeah. So then. then Kyle is FaceTiming Amanda and here we go everyone this is the moment that's gonna cause me to reassess previous statements that I personally have made so Kyle's like hey it's Amanda everyone hey Amanda and I was like is Sierra there she like doesn't even want to say hi to Kyle like yeah so Sierra's like oh hey Missy and she's like I miss you guys like wait wait what I said best night of my life and you said damn was that like sarcasm sick no it's like way to rub this salt in the wound and he's like oh it was like so wow so you were feeling jealous and just yeah west best night of his life is the one night i'm not there yeah that feels great i was like this is a obnoxious moment because if you just take it on face value knowing nothing about the scandal it's just like face level obnoxious i think like really this is it's just like an annoying thing to say like right like it's like an obnoxious thing to be like well that feels great he has best night of his life and i wasn't even there like shut up um well i guess they're

27:58Ronnie Karam: referring to a text or something that they were yes like hey how's everything going and we're having so much fun this weekend wish you were here and wes was like yeah best night of my life And she's like, ouch, that hurt the one night I'm not there. I don't know. I feel like I would say that maybe in a group text or whatever. But knowing what's happened and Amanda is like, wow, so I didn't come this weekend. I mean, this is probably what she's thinking in my mind. Because, you know, I think they're already fucking at this point. So to me, she's saying, well, you were supposed to go become friends with Sierra again and just say we're friends, Ryan.

28:32Ronnie Karam: and then make it okay so that, you know, she would be open to dating other people and you could be open to dating other people in front of her like me. And now I'm not even there and you say it's the best night of your life. What the hell?

28:46Ben Mandelker: Yeah, like that's how it definitely reads. I think that's, no. So I definitely have been someone who has just been in denial, feeling like I just don't think this affair started over the summer. But like this is the first time where I thought, But, oh, yeah, maybe something did start to happen around now. It was suspect that she didn't show up that weekend. And I don't know. Like, there was something about this was weird. But whether it's just a total coincidence that she had this moment or not, I still thought it was, like, really obnoxious. I don't know. Like, I've always felt like this was Amanda's fatal flaw, is that she does sort of have this obnoxious sarcasm to her that I have never loved.

29:27Ben Mandelker: but I think I've kind of given her a pass on it because I feel like she's had to deal with so much from Kyle but now I'm like not giving her a pass on it because she really betrayed a best friend I think and so I'm calling it out where I see it being the hero that I am

29:44Ronnie Karam: well welcome mission accomplished so Kyle's like well I guess you just made it made it about you man she goes of course I did okay well I love you oh no Kyle give it to Sierra love you Sierra

29:59Ben Mandelker: can you give it to KJ

30:01Ronnie Karam: he's sick right now

30:02Ben Mandelker: I know I just would rather be with someone who has his eyes closed than to talk to you

30:08Ronnie Karam: so now Dara is talking to Mia and she's like yeah I was a little nervous yesterday because I saw you guys talking to KJ and I was like oh my god what are they saying to him and we see a flashback to that and Dara's like yeah I mean I was like I mean I know it's quick but like I don't have any qualms about it I mean I don't want him to have qualms And if he does, he's going to get a knuckle sandwich.

30:29Ben Mandelker: No qualms. Mia's like, well, like, you're worried about him changing his mind or whatever. She's like, yeah. And like to double back would probably like wreck me, you know. So like if you mess up with what we've got going on, I'll be like really mad. Mia's like, yeah, well, I think KJ is obviously mature for his age. Good God. The way I've been waiting for that kind of commentary about a boy. She's like, yeah, he's a good guy. and it's just more like he's just a little younger than you so you guys are in a different phase of your life and just have to keep that in mind i mean he's 23 you're 24 and i don't know like i'm

31:04Ronnie Karam: shocked you guys even have anything to talk about how old is dara let's look it up i don't know she's probably they're acting like she's the old lady at the end of the titanic um dara summer house let's see oh you know that was three oh so he's 22 and she's 33 that is a big is he 22 he's 22 right how old is kj summerhouse he's 28 okay you know what you guys that's not bad this is over

31:28Ben Mandelker: blown 28 and 33 would you say 33 33 and 28 that's a five-year difference come on i thought he reads 22 doesn't he he does he does read 22 but he's 28 which is surprising darrah if anything darrah reads like she's 23 not maturity she just looks young so you know hey look at all these look at

31:51Ronnie Karam: all these things we're discovering today um yeah i don't think he i don't i don't think that's a bad i mean 28th almost 30 come on get out of here and especially if that was a guy and a girl no one would even if it was switched you know what i mean it is a guy and a girl but if if the situation was switched no one would think anything of it old men dating 20 years old and people are like good for you buddy good for you sierra is 30 years old so why is she giving advice

32:20Ben Mandelker: like regarding like to like regarding Dara being like you know you guys are different in different two different you know eras of your life Dara knows this Dara's 33

32:32Ronnie Karam: yeah I I don't know I get the impression they don't really like Dara um and they're nice to her you know I don't think anybody's being mean to her but I think that the way they've taken KJ is like a little brother and KJ is like, I'm sensitive and I'm, you know, you know, he has all this stuff going on and he's very sensitive. And I think he does seem very young to them. And so, and they see Dara, I think like, okay, you're some TikToker, eh? You came in here, which, you know, they look down on because they're like reality people. So they're like, okay, TikToker, first mark against you. Second mark against you, you, what was I going to say?

33:13Ronnie Karam: Second mark against her, oh, she liked Ben first. Oh, no. Second mark against her, she's in the house because she used to bang West. So that's the second mark against her because it's West. And even though he hasn't had all this drama yet, he's still West, and that's gross. Third mark against her is the – who's the other person? Ben, that she liked Ben first. And then it seemed like she maybe settled on KJ after she didn't get with Ben. So I think that they're just wary of her for that stuff. because they're really making her sound like Jessica Tandy.

33:46Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Well, I think that like we don't really I almost wonder if they're just not really sure where they stand with Dara. She sort of is like is she a cast member? Is she not a cast member? Is she just like KJ's girlfriend now? And I don't know. I think they just have decided not to commit too much energy into her. And you could make the same argument with Sabrina except that Sabrina is like, no, I will be accepted. so I'm going to get in front of everyone's face and tell them how much I love them I'm going to do acts of service and I will stand up for them in things that I have no reason to stand up for them in and I'm going to make them like that

34:26Ronnie Karam: I will be the first reality star in a choker in every single scene damn it do you notice she's always in a choker?

34:33Ben Mandelker: people were saying online that she's actually dead and that you take off the choker and her head rolls off

34:40Ronnie Karam: it's like game of thrones you take off the necklace and she becomes like an old lady or something yes i was just wondering because i brought up jessica tandy as being an old person like why is that the benchmark of an old lady i mean jessica tandy's been gone for years but you know i think it's because they stopped letting i think it's because in the world people have stopped aging the same because of um botox and facelifts and restylane and all the other shit we do to ourselves now and so that was like one of the last old ladies in media because everyone else they could be 90 and they still look at least 60 well i mean shirley mcclain is looking

35:17Ben Mandelker: definitely like a little old lady these days god bless her she just turned 92 um i think it's largely because jessica tandy started a movie where she was driven around she was like an old lady being driven around and that's just like it just really cemented her old ladyness and she also played a lot of roles that like leaned into her being an old lady it was like and now jessica tandy stars in the old lady story a movie about old ladies being older and so like everyone else you know there of course we have our older celebrities and but like jessica tandy just embodied the look of everything like she was in batteries not included she's in fried green tomatoes like all these movies where she was like i'm the old lady and so you know cocoon so you You know, she's just that bitch for us.

36:04Ben Mandelker: I think that's true.

36:06Ronnie Karam: She's that bitch. I think that's a good way. But I would just, in defense of Shirley MacLaine, I think that Shirley MacLaine has decided, like, that's a decision for her. She's like, fuck it. No one else is doing it. I'm going to age. Watch. And I'm going to play every old lady in every movie that ever, because now she does that. And she plays a really good mean old lady. Like, that's Shirley MacLaine's, you know, that's her niche is, like, the mean old lady. And she kills it as that. And I think she was like, I'm going to age. I'm going to be like all the, unlike all the other witches in this town.

36:38Ronnie Karam: I don't care. I'm going to age and I'm going to profit off of it. And so good for her. Good.

36:43Ben Mandelker: I mean, honestly, good for her. Because it's like Jessica Tandy. I just think that Jessica Tandy just works. It's like fun to say her name. It's like, what are you going to say? Like, oh, Joan Blaurite? No. Jessica Tandy.

36:56Ronnie Karam: Well, maybe a more modern reference. So people who are listening can get it who aren't our age, you know. but um whatever's Jessica Tandy right she was like one of the last old lady because even Shirley McClain you say Shirley McClain I still think of her in things like I'll think Sweet Charity you

37:10Ben Mandelker: know or stuff like that so anyway iconic roles her iconic roles were not her being an old lady necessarily whereas Jessica Tandy's iconic roles are um and I'm sure that there are some other I'm sure there's plenty of like Francis Sternhagen would be a good one too but she's just not as famous, right? Yeah. Um, uh, you know, it's crazy when we were doing our, you know, when it's Orange County season, you know, there tend to be a good number of Wendy Malick jokes that float around here. And it's like crazy that Wendy Malick is 75 years old. Like I cannot that, like, I think about that, like at least once a week, I was like, Wendy Malick is 75.

37:46Ronnie Karam: That's what I mean. You know, that's what I mean. You would never, ever guess that watching Wendy Malick. You would never, ever guess.

37:53Ben Mandelker: I would think Wendy Malick is like a, like a solid 61. Yeah. At most. Yeah.

38:00Ronnie Karam: And you know who else feels that way? Wendy Malick. Yes. And that's the thing. So anyway, the point is, speaking of never aging, Kyle. Kyle's like, how's everybody doing? How's everybody doing down here on this end of the boat? And Jesse's like, whoa, can I just say you are looking incredible lately? You look nothing like Jessica Tandy. I mean, you really should. Are people even aging anymore?

38:25Ben Mandelker: yeah i got back dimples no like you are like oh like still pretty shredded for being like 43 like that's actually like really impressive like if i were to assess your back i would say your back is actually hard and not soft off brand your butthole is very tight as well yeah get your finger out of my butt carl sorry sorry my bad you just look really good yeah my nipples are hard

38:51Ronnie Karam: Yeah, it feels weird with Amanda here, you guys. It feels weird. You feel like you're able to, I don't know, have more levity and just a good time this weekend because she's not here with you? He's like, yeah, I mean, dude, I'm being myself. I just irritate her.

39:07Ben Mandelker: Well, you're saying you're being yourself. That's funny because I'm just me. That's who I am. I'm just me. Stop it. You gotta be me.

39:17Ronnie Karam: You know, you should be honest. I mean, you're different people, but that's okay. Like the reality is you guys are either gonna accept and love each other for who you are or you're just I don't know And the guy behind this we just not talk about this. I was having a good day You're the one who brought it up

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41:14Ronnie Karam: They just hold each other. And the music stops. It's just them holding each other, like slow dancing to nothing, to no music. Music only the hidden man. Shonda Rhimes is losing her mind.

41:24Ben Mandelker: She's like, why are you not playing a singer-songwriter right now?

41:31Ben Mandelker: Where is the Colby Calais?

41:36Ronnie Karam: So then, of course, Kyle's like, it looks like we need a DJ in here. Did somebody call a DJ? see that's why we need amanda here to be just like shut up kyle

41:51Ben Mandelker: um so ben and sierra are lying on on on sierra's bed and guess who calls it's sabrina oh my god did i miss anything did i miss anything oh my god just want to like make sure that i'm like still friends with sierra what's going on guys how's it going he's like oh look sabrina bail how are you doing sabrina did you get dressed before you made this phone call very good did you make your bid okay I just wanted a chick.

42:15Ronnie Karam: All right, now. Did we eat all of our food without me there to choo-choo it into your mouth, little girl? Did we? So then Kyle and who else? Kyle joins Sierra and Ben on the bed. And Serena's like, oh, my God, you guys tell me everything. Serena says, okay, well, we woke up. We got an Uber. We went to the pier before everyone else was on the boat. And then we cut to West Room. and jesse's like dude that was so much fun west is like what the boat

42:50Ben Mandelker: go back to what else what let's say what i don't know the giant boat ride you guys took all day what do you what else was he could he be talking about so sierra is telling sabrina so he actually did a lot of the talking and he was like well you made it so confusing because like i don't know when can have a conversation with you wait wait tell her about the end like hell mate like i'm waiting for the end which is the best part get to the good parts sierra come on you know like sabrina bell is a very dumb person she can't she can't like focus for a very long time so you better get

43:21Ronnie Karam: to the end and then he was like kind of like okay so like where do we go from now and he's like i don't know i could like be your best friend tomorrow and i was like okay then let's be best friends and Sabrina's like oh my god can we be best friends Carl pump my fist for that one god that's a good one look at that what are they in love with something god I love love right Sabrina

43:42Ben Mandelker: Bell's like all right now Sierra say this next part extra slowly for Sabrina Bell she's getting overstimulated so she's not going to be able to take much in she's like okay fine I cried and then he hugged me and then i just like cried some more oh my gosh i'm gonna cry i mean west did say he has a crush on you i am so happy to hear this about people i just met last weekend i am so

44:10Ronnie Karam: messi ass sabrina of course so she's like yeah west said he has a crush on you so now ben and kyle get close to the phone and kyle's like wait what ben's like sabrina bell what did we talk about what stays in the what we talk about in the fucking walls of my apartment stays in the fucking apartment do you understand young lady you are not going out with your

44:34Ben Mandelker: friends this week that's it yeah i i don't trust this girl for shit that was so messy her saying that and it's kind of like like lady they just got to being best friends again you don't know these people and now you're just like gossiping about all this shit that's not your shit to gossip about just that way you can like endear yourself to sierra like uh-uh there's so many red flags about this girl to me so then ben's like all right well everyone one night when we came back after a night we were in the kitchen and west was like i still got a bit of a crush on her and i'm like sierra and he goes yeah and i said sierra i just want to just make sure it's sierra who we live with and not sierra the singer and then west got confused and i said so there's the singer named sierra and he goes i know who that sierra is but why would you think i would be

45:19Ronnie Karam: things anyway what are you sure it's not sierra the teenage witch no that's that's sabrina wait what do you mean sierra the teenage witch i knew it oh i knew it sabrina bell you are grounded

45:38Ben Mandelker: now i understand why you're always bringing a broomstick into the bedroom So that's why she's always wearing a choker. So he's like, I mean, it's my fault. I shouldn't be telling rumors and telling stories, and that's not going to help anything, especially if another girl comes and sits on his lap again.

45:57Ronnie Karam: Okay, but here's the thing. So Wes said this, but this was before, I'm guessing, it was before he was like, oh, yeah, we like each other, right, and flirting with Sierra all the time, and then the girl came and sat on his lap and blah, blah, blah, and led us all the way up to where we are now. So are they going to be friends or are they going to, I need to know, I can't have this. Like we're just friends, but we're really in love. I can't turn that.

46:23Ben Mandelker: I actually don't need to know. I'm actually like, I do find it kind of like, are they, or are they not? Kind of a little bit of an annoying concept. So I'm just going to go with right now they're friends. I will also say another thing that has, you know, know people have been sort of fixating on a lot over the past few weeks but it sort of has come up again yesterday was when they were playing the games um in the living room earlier in the season the one where they're playing spin the bottle and amanda gave kyle a big kiss and everyone was like wow amanda and kyle kissing and um now the fan theory is that she was doing that to make west jealous because after Amanda did this big long kiss with Kyle West then went and sat next to Sierra and then put his hand on Sierra's like side and at that moment would just say yes

47:16Ronnie Karam: and he said

47:18Ben Mandelker: something else at that moment kind of like it's fucked up or something like that and so at that moment we took it as West was drunk and he was regretting how he had been a dick to Sierra And we sort of took it in that way as further evidence of him here saying he has a crush on Sierra. But now people are questioning, really, was that a crush moment or was that a, I'm going to get back at you, Amanda. If you want to play games, I can play games too.

47:46Ronnie Karam: Yeah, that one's been out for a while, but it was repopularized last night because it was on, I think, watch what happens live.

47:51Ben Mandelker: I think this is where Lindsay was saying the decoy, right?

47:52Ronnie Karam: That's why Lindsay was like, imagine using your husband as a decoy for your boyfriend. Yikes. Yikes. Um, so, and I think that is what they're doing. That's what they're doing, again, by doing all of this charade of West going to make friends with Sierra. He's still using Sierra as a decoy because Amanda's just trying to clear the air so she could be with West publicly. And he clears things with Sierra and gets that. Unfortunately, what Amanda didn't plan on is that West is a pig, not only to Sierra. He's going to be a pig with you, too. He's going to do the same manipulative shit that he is doing to her to you, which he is doing right now.

48:32Ronnie Karam: Like if he's breaking up, if he's making up a Sierra to be with Amanda, but then he's still going and telling everyone like I'm crushing on Sierra and like still like hugging Sierra like for 10 minutes while breathing her in and shit. You know, he's doing that to manipulate Amanda as well or piss off Amanda. So, you know, so it's a fun cycle. Enjoy that one, Amanda. Dummy.

48:52Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Enjoy it. so now they're sitting outside to have some dinner and Wes is like wow I can't believe this is our first tinny on the table our first dinny on the tabby what he says our first dinny on the tabby on the table I hate this person whatever it is

49:14Ronnie Karam: it's our dinny on the tabes

49:17Ben Mandelker: dinny on the tabes

49:22Ben Mandelker: so then they're like where's kj and he's sleeping and then they're like wow can't believe summer's almost over you know and so me is asking everyone what the plan is says mine's just begun brother

49:34Ronnie Karam: or as i would normally say to people who get me mine's just bro that's my shortened words so that was that was hard one because they were mostly one syllables but

49:47Ben Mandelker: my sum is just bigs i don't know how you can do brother summy is it's hard it's hard it's hard really works on nouns begun my sum is just begun um so they're talking about the week coming up

50:04Ronnie Karam: and the soft launch soft launch is coming up it's on a wednesday yeah it's on a sunday uh wednesday you know those days i wouldn't take pitch on the date so yeah there's like a lot going on with it it's like so overwhelming and serious like wow you've made so much progress in a year it's crazy

50:19Ben Mandelker: it's like yeah yeah i have really have that's like literally literally big a perfect time like amount of time to make progress like wow i can't believe in a year you've remodeled a place and built it and gotten your permits and got it ready it's like yeah there was a year

50:40Ben Mandelker: wasn't a week it's like you made so much progress you did it building this car in a year i can't believe you you did this i'm in here wow i have to say ronnie looking back at uh watcher crappens we've made so much progress in this podcast over 10 years it's like yeah it's been 10 years

51:03Ronnie Karam: he's like yeah we were just kind of starting out with the truck but uh i know people things uh expected things to happen quicker i mean trusted me trust me i wanted to i wanted to but you know it's here and she was like but it's been a year and he goes yeah it's uh it's been a year

51:19Ben Mandelker: if anything we know that he's behind because we saw restaurant wars on top chef and michael mina said uh it would normally take 10 months so you're actually two months behind carl

51:29Ronnie Karam: yeah according to another bravo show this week you're really behind carl get it together um

51:34Ben Mandelker: last time i checked uh they made two restaurants in 24 hours on top chef so i don't know why we're

51:40Ronnie Karam: giving all these applause they also didn't serve alcohol so well we had to wait to get our um our license to not sell alcohol that's actually a thing in brooklyn y 'all y 'all we had to actually

51:53Ben Mandelker: apply for a license to be passive aggressive to our best friend and it just got cleared so here

51:58Ronnie Karam: we go i'm like fuck yeah carl you oped your bar you oops your bars

52:08Ben Mandelker: carl's like oh can someone fix the transmission on west hall yeah there's been like a lot of like people really like you know like come through and like my family and my friends i mean like i've had like some people at this table who've been like incredibly i mean like you all have I'm like, so, so. Sorry, when he goes, I've even had so many friends who have helped.

52:25Ronnie Karam: It goes, and it just cuts to Kyle with a blank face.

52:29Ben Mandelker: They're just throwing. This is, the producers are taking symbols from across the yard and throwing them like frisbees at Kyle's forehead. It's like, this entire scene.

52:38Ronnie Karam: They just troll Kyle this whole episode. It's so funny. He's like, yeah, some of you have been helpful. That's, wait a minute. Yeah, but, you know, their wallets have been supportive. That's, wait a minute. What? Right. And just energy and all of it. You know, everybody at this table who does not have blonde hair has been very supportive. Wait a second.

53:01Ben Mandelker: I think the diplomatic way is to say, I really want to thank you all for your support. You've supported me in many different ways to those who've been able to help out financially. I really appreciate it. I understand it's not feasible for everyone, but for those who did, I really appreciate it. But I am also, I feel the support in many other ways, not just that way. So thank you all. Like, that's a nice way to say it. but the way he's saying it he's saying it in the way that if lindsey had said something like that carl would have been like that was just like a dig it's like another dig by lindsey i mean but now of course he's doing it to kyle and he's okay doing it that way this is well i'm just

53:34Ronnie Karam: honest like you know this conversation i'm shook this conversation about investing took place literally seven months ago and again in the summer and we see a flashback to three weeks ago where kyle's like my wallet is way too deep in lover boy when they're dressed as old men and carl's like oh well is this business like actually in trouble of like oh folding hold on don't don't don't

53:57Ben Mandelker: don't don't i mean i've tried to be open and honest with where i am with my business marriage and our sex life and uh carl said but we don't have a sex life we're bros i said no bro i'm talking about amanda he's like oh so then i was like he knows more than everybody he's not communicating with me because i'm having to hear about issues his issues with me from other people So then we see a flashback of Jesse. Jesse happily being messy. He's loving it. So Carl said that you didn't invest and he was sad. And he wrote out a whole email to you. He was going to vent all his feelings to you and say why you're a big piece of shit.

54:38Ben Mandelker: But he never sent it.

54:40Ronnie Karam: He didn't let his mom send hers either. Carl's like, what was this? Well, what's up with you guys and emails? I mean, seriously. emails instead of talking emails instead of saying hello hey thanks for whoever was snapping um was it in the winter was it recently that makes a difference so um now jesse is like we're going to murphs so everybody leaves um we are spared the half an hour getting ready scene which is nice. I know, they just go.

55:17Ben Mandelker: And half of them go. Ben doesn't go and KG and Dara are asleep and Carl has fallen asleep on the sofa and then they all leave and the door closes and Carl's like, oh, oh, oh, I just woke up. Wait a second. I had this crazy dream. And you were there, and you were there, and you were there. He's like, Carl, you're talking to pillows. Oh. Oh, I guess I didn't have a dream.

55:41Ronnie Karam: So then Ben is talking to who else? Sabrina, what happened? What happened after our phone call? Did anybody talk? Were you guys doing anything? Did Wes and Sierra get married? And he's like, well, Sierra and Westerloch, best friends again, and it's just like so good. Now we can all hang out and stuff.

56:01Ben Mandelker: And then we see them partying in the Hamptons at Murph's. Big night at Murph's, guys. Big night. Too bad Carl wasn't there. He could have been in the mix. But now it's 1.54 a.m. and they are back and uh carl's gone to bed and uh west is like hey what's up carl oh i guess carl went went to bed i'm like yeah he'd been out for like four hours he got up from the sofa

56:25Ronnie Karam: shockingly so uh sierra um sierra had made kj a plate and it's still sitting out and they're like oh my god is kj okay and he's still sleeping he's just never well he's just been sleeping all day and all night um so kyle is in his bed texting he's like what the shit hey i texted you earlier but i didn't hear back i'm home now i'm going to bed talk tomorrow miss you

56:51Ben Mandelker: um yeah and uh he's like yeah i will say that my text read with amanda is like perhaps one of the most depressing text threads of all time it's like hey babe take it off hey babe landed great set calling it a night morning take it off here's a gift about lover boy here's another gift about Loverboy. Oh, no, guess what? I died. Do you want to respond to that? Okay, I'm alive. I guess you figured that one out. Okay. And the only reaction I ever got was when West said to the group, best night ever. She said, damn, I guess that's what it took to give her a little FOMO.

57:20Ronnie Karam: West making a comment. I guess that's all she needed. So then West is now hugging Sierra again. It's another 20-minute hug where they're breathing each other. And he's like, I'm really glad we talked. Like, it took literally two years. That's kind of crazy. And she's like, I'm stubborn and you're an idiot. And he's like, you're stubborn and I'm dumb. And you're an idiot. Just hold me. Just hold me. Hold me. So, Jesse, get out of here.

57:58Ben Mandelker: See you. It's the morning. Carl's going to go on a run. Carl competed in the London Marathon this weekend, which, and so that's, there's actually nothing more to say about that. He did it and he, he did it. Yeah, good for him.

58:14Ronnie Karam: Good for him. Now I can be bored with him in a totally different country. Yeah.

58:22Ben Mandelker: I don't know why I shared that right now, but I feel like we're peppering in all the summer house gossip since we didn't have a crappy hour this week. It's next week. By the way, it's amazing.

58:31Ronnie Karam: I'm bored with Carl, but it's like six hours ahead.

58:38Ben Mandelker: Now we know why he's aging so fast. He's ahead of us.

58:42Ronnie Karam: Oh, poor Carl. We're so mean to Carl. Literally, Carl does not even do that much.

58:50Ben Mandelker: We know the reason why Carl is aging. It's literally Kyle is stealing something from him. Kyle is stealing Carl's essence. And now I honestly understand why Carl is like, why are you not investing in my bar? I've given you my youth I've given you taking all of my spinal fluid I do actually feel bad sometimes I feel like Carl is I do believe that Carl's a fuckboy I do believe that Carl is passive aggressive and that he's passive in general but I also do think that he probably is like a sweet guy just trying to figure out his place in life it's just sometimes very frustrating to watch

59:24Ronnie Karam: I've had so many seasons where Carl's just been a jackass that I just don't trust Carl that's it like i don't trust his nice guy act i think that partially he is nice but we see him doing his manipulative shit all during this season too it's just with kyle so it's not as frustrating but he's just a constant fucking manipulator so he's having a good season but you know i just i still am always giving kyle shit because you know pepperidge farm remembers and that's it pepperidge farm remembers yes you don't know that a slogan of theirs yeah like you may have forgotten but pepperidge farm remembers come on so i've never a million times you've never heard it you know i'll bring it back and you know just like um roll that beautiful bean footage you know i feel like i single-handedly brought that back i've been saying that for literally two decades on this show and or in blogs or whatever yes pepper look it up right now look it up i know

1:00:23Ben Mandelker: it came up right away i don't remember this from the commercials i really don't which is the irony

1:00:28Ronnie Karam: i said they remember i said roll that beautiful bean footage and then did that i remember the song was so many times they finally brought it back and they were like roll that beautiful bean footage and then they put like hip-hop music like to update it i was like i did that that was one time where i sat in front of the tv and i said i don't know what i put out into the universe but i did this i did this you're welcome beautiful bean footage i'm assuming

1:00:54Ben Mandelker: that the pepperidge farm remembers commercials from the 80s were like like you may have forgotten you may have moved on in life but we remember the good old we remember the true things in life but when you say pepperidge farm remembers it just sounds like a threat it's like yeah yeah well that's what it's do whatever you want pepperidge farmers are gonna remember some tomorrow you sleep with the milanos yeah pepperidge farm never really went away that

1:01:17Ronnie Karam: that saying and also it's an internet meme um and it came from family guy so like that one's around more but i i do i do really take credit for the beautiful bean footage i really do in my

1:01:30Ben Mandelker: delusional mind i am starving and i've had cookies on the mind all day today like no no joke because um the infatuation posted something about cookies in los angeles so i have to ask a very pressing question and summer house is our most cookie forward show thanks mia um what is your favorite

1:01:48Ronnie Karam: pepperidge farm cookie the only one i eat from there is that's the milano right yeah i eat that one that's only which milano which type classic it's the one that's like two white ovals with

1:02:02Ben Mandelker: chocolate in the middle no i know but like there's there's like several different varieties of milanos there's chocolate mint chocolate orange double chocolate etc well chocolate mint sounds

1:02:10Ronnie Karam: good but just a chocolate i think just a chocolate i mean milanos are great i'm a big i love them i'm a big cookie maker and not a big cookie buyer i'll say i'll accept them in all forms i will make

1:02:21Ben Mandelker: them i will consume them um of course i love a milano classic uh i actually of the milanos the chocolate orange is like literally that sounds lovely actually i made a face earlier but that does sound like yeah i was surprised honestly i was a little surprised i felt like i felt

1:02:37Ronnie Karam: argumentative for no reason but then you said it again but i have to say like low-key i think my

1:02:45Ben Mandelker: favorite pepperidge farm cookie is a geneva geneva's what's a geneva geneva's are my favorite they're a shortbread cookie they are like an oval almost like um the oval is like it's almost like the shape of of like a name tag and it's like got dark chocolate on the back with little nuts and it's so good. I love that one so much. The only thing I don't like about it is that I feel weird holding it because I feel like when I have my bare fingers on the chocolate, it feels wrong. You have to hold it along the edges, which feels strange. It feels like it's exposed. But wow, a Geneva?

1:03:24Ronnie Karam: I don't think I've ever had a Geneva. I'm looking at that. Get out! I don't think I've ever had one.

1:03:30Ben Mandelker: Oh, I love it. Literally, I love the Geneva. And I will also say there's one that I think is really good it's not like my favorite what's it called? it's like a sandwich, it's another one of the sandwich ones but it's sort of like thin and it's thin and crispy and that one I'm going to highlight it because if you break it up and you put it into ice cream it makes a really great ice cream topping I discovered this once when I got stoned

1:03:57Ronnie Karam: but you don't remember what it is?

1:03:59Ben Mandelker: it's a very famous one I will have to look it up real quickly Pepperidge Farm god Pepperidge Farm guess what I really am doing a bad job remembering

1:04:08Ronnie Karam: you are this whole thing started with Pepperidge Farm remembers but Ben doesn't

1:04:14Ben Mandelker: that's for sure I will have to say I think like the whole variety of Pepperidge Farm chocolate chip cookies like the Nantuckets and whatever those are fine I don't think that's like their strong point I think their strong point are like the Milano's the Geneva's is it like a Brussels is that what it oh oh oh it is the Brussels the Brussels the Brussels my hack to everyone Brussels are great to eat Brussels make an amazing ice cream topping because they stay crispy they are wonderful put them in your ice cream everyone thank me later

1:04:42Ronnie Karam: the Brussels okay well sounds good to me okay so cookies are always going to be good people hey everyone

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