#3340 Summer House S10E13 Part Two: Hit Me Hard and Soft

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1:24much that crap ends. Hello, and welcome to Watch What Crap Ends, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. This is part two of the recap. If you missed part one, go check out your podcast feed. It's right there. And without further ado, let's get right back into the recap.

1:40Ronnie Karam: Okay, so let's get back to the show. So KJ is talking to Dara. He's been asleep for, I don't know, 72 hours or something. She's like, are you okay? And she's like, okay, so can i ask you this like the week like you know how was telling everybody about our title like because we have a title now so like how'd everybody take that and he's like i mean i was nervous i'm not gonna lie especially talking to the girls she's like yeah they ask hard questions and he's like yeah but like i told them that i need you to ask me the tough questions yeah so um great great news from that front with with them um and now in west's room he's putting on a white sweater with black stripes and he's like he's like oh this is like a crazy outfit but like whatever i don't care um because like west that's his whole like aesthetic is he sort of has like a ragamuffin hipster vibes yeah puts on oversized things it actually does look good i think his style is good his style is terrible he's trying to be a tiktok teenager and then his other style is like i'm gonna see if i can bring back like art teacher from eighth grade chic like i'm just gonna wear a poncho yeah see how these are big weird things but i just don't like when he wears things to make himself look like a cute little boy when he has like the sleeves extra long i'm like that drives me and it's like little fingers come out like a little armadillo um so and i say armadillo because i just saw a viral video of an armadillo chasing an apple and then wrapping its body around the apple and it's the cutest thing and i'll send it to you ronnie because you're going to watch it for like 10 times over today got that so weird that you brought up armadillos because i saw vultures eating an armadillo the other day on the road fucking texas i'm telling you it's brutal here it's brutal so i was gonna say were you inst louis where there's a surprisingly large amount of armadillos yeah armadillos just jumping up into car grills and shit.

3:34Ronnie Karam: So, Jesse's peeing and Sierra comes in. She's like, oh my God, are you peeing? I almost saw your Johnson. And he just rinses his hands. She's like, that's how you wash your hands? Gross.

3:48So, he's like, what's going on? She's like, yeah, my old stomping grounds this room. He's like, I'm really happy that you and Wes are friends again. She goes, yeah, does baby feel settled in his home now that mommy and daddy are getting along? He's like, yeah baby feels good baby got back that's not what that means so how do you think kyle was this weekend he's good he was happy he was able to be himself without amanda yelling at him for being himself she's like i think that like sierra sort of like agrees with that but doesn't want to like pile on to amanda because it's you know amanda's her she's gonna ride for amanda

4:25Ronnie Karam: bitch yeah because no matter no matter what amanda's done kyle still being you know it's not like Kyle was blameless in that marriage. And we yelled at him a lot in the beginning of the season. And I think deservedly so. Like even knowing all of this stuff, I would still be like, you can't call your wife a fucking bitch. Like what's wrong with you? But when you're in the house with a couple that's constantly fighting, it's like you both suck at this point. Just shut up. You're like wasting all of our summers, you know? And so I think she's probably on that boat too, but she's still friends with Amanda.

4:53Ronnie Karam: So she's like, I'll just not say anything over here. Yeah, exactly. And then meanwhile, downstairs, Kyle is sweeping dust off of his car with this enormous brush thing. And I was like, oh, my God, look at Kyle cleaning his car with a giant fucking mop thing. Kyle, what is that thing? He's like, it's a California duster. She's like, a California duster. Are you gross? I was like, oh, my God, Kyle is such the guy who gets a giant ass brush to dust his car. Where can I get one? I know I have one. Well, I don't have a giant dust thing like that. I have the mitt. It's like a terrycloth mitt. And then you can just wipe, wipe it down.

5:32I want the California duster. I'm surprised it's not called the Texas duster. It was so big. You would think that Texas would claim it like, everything's bigger.

5:41Ronnie Karam: It's gigantic. And then it burns books at the end. It's amazing. So California duster is just buried under bureaucracy. You actually have to spend six months before you can put it onto your car. you have to learn how to put it together through customer service but the government hasn't hired anybody to work at the customer service so you can never get through to them every state is running spencer pratt is running to be mayor of that brush so then mia gets in bed with them and uh to gossip you know obviously and jesse's like well kyle like he didn't seem upset that Amanda wasn't here this weekend.

6:22Ronnie Karam: That's for sure. And she's like, yeah, I mean, he was in rare form. Like I've actually never seen Kyle like this before. Yeah, because Mia's only seen Kyle really at his worst with Amanda. And so Jesse's like, yeah, well, now he doesn't want to talk about his relationship with Amanda. And he's just trying to table any conversation because he knows, you know, he knows himself. He's smart enough to know that like anything that comes out of his mouth is just going to be negative and cause issues in the relationship because you'll probably repeat it to Amanda with a big smile on your face. Yeah, and Sierra just gives another hmm.

6:53Ronnie Karam: And let's also not forget that Sierra is now hanging out with Sabrina, and Sabrina does not like Amanda because Amanda was shady with Sabrina. That's right. So Sierra's got another mouth in her ear. So Jesse's like, yeah, it's not solving any underlying problems in their relationship. I mean, I don't even think they're having sex. Like, I don't think they've had sex in like maybe seven years. Mia's like, where'd you hear that from? The rumors, the rumor mill. Who? Carl. They start cracking up. She's like, God, Jesse, you didn't even have to, you didn't even take any pressure. It's just like, who said that, Carl?

7:34Ronnie Karam: You just gave it up right away. It's like, yeah, I hear it when you get married, it starts to happen. I was like, maybe that's why I'm so scared of it. You know, marriage. Not that much less. As his smile slowly turns into the sad trapezoid as he realizes that this whole season he's been talking about wanting to settle down and now he sees what that really means. So Jesse is like, he's like, yeah, I don't know. I just don't know what Amanda wants. I don't really know what Kyle wants either. And it almost seems like if they don't, like they didn't really think about how they would like evolve individually in the relationship over the years, but they're like, but are they like compatible at this stage in their life?

8:12or can they find that compatibility again? The answer is no. They were never compatible, and they never will be compatible.

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10:51Ronnie Karam: So now it's Sunday, August 24th, 12.02 p.m. Very important time. And it's time to go home, everybody. So everybody's going home. And then we go to the city. I don't know what happened Monday. anybody nothing okay let's go to your birthday it was your birthday ronnie oh that's right that was a fun one i was drunk in palm springs in a caftan that's right so how it was in the old days when jessica tandy was still on our screens you're like beverage farms yeah beverage farms was still on our plates back in those days we didn't have enough food to even buy a potato so we would take a Milano and cut it up into six pieces and hand it around.

11:33Ronnie Karam: And Palm Springs denizens are like, we still do that. That's how we stay thin. It's just Palm Springs. Palm Springs remembers. Palm Springs remembers. If I'm not going to have a Pepper's Farm thing later today, I don't know what's going to happen. Tuesday. So it's Tuesday. Yeah, Tuesday, Tuesday, Tuesday. Sierra and KJ go to pick out some grills. Which we see KJ wearing in his in his yeah and his confessional which he's wearing with the the army whatever why can I never remember how to say that the camo yeah it's funny because it's like he's got his grills in and obviously you speak a little differently when you've got grills in but he like hasn't quite figured it out yet so he's he's like talking like this a little bit in his in his confessionals he's adorable so they're gonna get that now Bailey is having lunch with Levi oh my god I was like genuinely shocked that they like continue to dedicate screen time to Levi.

12:27So Bailey's like, okay, this party, I need you because we're in crunch time. Levi's like, no, of course, yes. I brought a little deck, some visuals. So it's the It Girl anniversary party, and this is a big moment to showcase everything you've done. Yes, thank you. Thank you for explaining to America why we're shooting this scene. Anytime. Well, we can talk about mood boards, right? She's like, yes, yes. Well, it's been two years since I started my show, It Girl, and I'm planning this huge two-year anniversary of and it's a celebration of me so I guess you could call it celebration of me girl because it's it, you know what I'm saying but it's really a celebration of the people who did so much for me and gave me these interviews so I really can't wait, I cannot wait for my it girl celebration party

13:07Ronnie Karam: so now Thursday, what happened Wednesday, nobody knows, or was that Wednesday, was that Wednesday? that was Wednesday, they didn't say Wednesday they did not say Wednesday, according to the show it was still Tuesday, so I don't know what happened on Wednesday, maybe it started, maybe it like spanned both days, maybe So now it's Thursday and Amanda's walking her dog with Sierra and they're talking about how they want a stroller. And Sierra's like, I want to put my two cats in a stroller. I'm going to get another cat. So now they sit and talk about the weekend. And I was like, how was it? I missed a big one.

13:38Ronnie Karam: She goes, yeah, you miss all of the big ones. You miss Carl and Lindsay getting engaged, which she probably did on purpose. This is Amanda. And you missed me and Dave. popping up from People Magazine, popping up from Behind the Tumbleweed. Very subtle. Very, very subtle. And Sierra's like, yeah, and you missed me and West making up. She's like, yeah, that's like why I have to stay back. Sometimes can like big gestures happen. Yeah. So how was your weekend? It was fabulous. She's like, without Kyle. Yeah, it was so necessary. And I'm like, I think I'm falling into a depression again where I'm really tired.

14:18I just sort of started out and I'm not feeling myself, but Like, you know, we did go to therapy and we actually like went this morning and yeah, I just actually came from there. That's why I'm smiling so much. The therapist yelled at Kyle. It was great. But like she basically says, she tells her therapist, she tells us about telling her therapist about like their love story. And she's like, yeah, you know, I met this, but yada, yada. We met, we went to find the relationship. Then he broke up with me. Then he made out with multiple women. Then we got engaged and there was a rumor that he cheated on me.

14:48And then we got married and there's the multiple rumors ever since. and now we hate each other and apparently the therapist was like where's the part where you guys fell in love and amanda just laughs but i'm like seriously though did you guys ever truly fall in love or was it just like you got used to each other that's their whole relationship was just her

15:06Ronnie Karam: crying and him apologizing and her crying again and him apologizing again and then fucking up the same way again and then i was like it's the same thing and guess what it's the same relationship she's had with Wes so far. Because so far, we find out they've been together, but then we find out he had another girlfriend that he was sleeping with this whole time. And so it's the same thing. People are patterns, okay? If you want a different dress, stop buying the same pattern, okay? Yeah. So Sierra's like, well, so you guys are like living in two different phases of your relationship. Because also what it sounds like is that Amanda has just never, ever, ever been able to heal from Kyle's infidelity.

15:47And I think that is a, like putting aside everything that happened, that's happening that we know about. That's like a legitimate thing. Like that's like a, like that's, it's sad. They never should have gotten married. She never, it was evident that she never really got over it. And she never really had a chance to get over it because the rumors keep on circulating. Things keep on happening. This is just not a relationship that really should have gone forward. They may have enjoyed each other. They may have even felt love for each other at some point, but it was done. The moment that he cheated, it was really done in this case.

16:22Some relationships can get over that, but in this case, it should have just folded. That show should have closed.

16:30Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but it's different when you're like 22. Do you know what I mean? There's more... When you're 22, you're like, oh my God, I can fix him or I can change it. like there was more like almost understanding of it then but now to be doing the exact same thing it's like oh especially when you've learned from someone like kyle it's you just that's why it's so bad and be like come on man so that's why this is that's why this whole scandal the scandal has many different interesting facets and that's why it's so interesting because she has been on the receiving end of betrayal and she has struggled with it and she has like it has rotted her from the inside out or it's not her it's rotted their marriage from the inside out their relationship she never was able to get over she saw how it like really devastated that and like so for her to be an active party of another betrayal which is not quite the same as an affair in terms of her and sierra but it is still like a betrayal of trust massively like it's just it's so shocking yeah so sierra's giving her some pretty good some pretty good advice actually she's like you know i think you're living in two different phases of the relationship like he's moved on you haven't moved on and you need to figure out a way to you know be mad about the same era of time you know which I thought was pretty you know good and so she's like okay separate you know Sierra's really pushing the separation thing and Amanda says yeah I agree I don't think it's a bad idea I just feel like it would never go for it well he doesn't have to you don't have to mutually just separate leave I think a lot of this too is that Amanda you know there was a TV show and we can't forget that Cara was on a TV show and Amanda was not on the TV show.

18:26Ronnie Karam: And so I think a lot of putting up with it is like, was it even worth it? You know, like I'm with this guy. The TV was like a big prize at the end of it. And now I'm stuck on TV and now I'm being hounded all over the place because I'm on TV, you know? Yeah. So there's that too. So then anyway, I'm so sick of talking about Amanda and her fucking marriage. At least that's done. At least now we can talk about Amanda and her shitting relationship. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fair. Hey, you know what we should do? As long as we're talking about cookies, I should ask, do you like your cookies crispy? Or do you like them?

19:03Soft, soft baked. Okay. Soft bar. Here we go. Soft cookie. It's hard to really describe what I've been doing. Even just saying what I've been saying for the past last couple of years. This is a non-alcoholic bar. This silver bar, silver sports, sports, sports, brick and mortar. But now you fucking see it. Pure passion. The hard work, the hard work works. Told you. It's not hard for us to see what you're doing. We've been to coffee bars. We've been to workspaces. We understand what it is. We just are concerned about its longevity. But to his credit, the place does look fantastic. We had looked at it.

19:40Yeah, good for him. I don't even like the guy.

19:43Ronnie Karam: And I was like, yeah, it's good for you, Carl. No, it looks great. We looked at pictures of it earlier this year or whenever it was. It was whenever it opened. Actually, it was around Labor Day when it opened. It looked great. We gave them his flowers then. We gave them his flowers again now. I think the place looks fantastic. And I'm excited for it to grow. And, you know, it's been open for about six or seven months. It only has 15 Yelp reviews. But, like, we're excited to see that community grow around it. Wait, it's been open six months? I guess it has. It didn't open here. I mean, in this episode.

20:17This was a soft launch. This was a soft launch. Wait, so when did it? When did it open? Was this just a launch for TV, but it didn't open until a month ago?

20:26Ronnie Karam: Yeah, this was just the soft launch, and then they had a different launch. But I think it opened probably around the time the season started, right? Because that's when articles started coming out of it. Oh, okay. When did SoftBar open? SoftBar open September 18th. SoftBar. Yeah, seven months. You're right. Yelp. It's been six months. Maybe people in Brooklyn just don't think it's cool to write Yelp reviews. Maybe. It's like in Britain when I got shaded. For writing a Yelp review? Remember? When I checked in. No, I checked in at our hotel when we were in London. We did our show in London. And I said something like I was looking for a place that had good Yelp reviews.

21:13And the person at the front desk goes, Yelp? Do people use that?

21:20I was like, sorry. He's like, Google Maps over here.

21:24Ronnie Karam: That's funny. Okay, so everybody's saying hi. Everybody's showing up. And Bailey's like, oh my God, Carl, is this the drink that makes you horny? I cannot wait to get horny. Am I flirting? And he's like, oh, well, we're developing an aphrodisiac, but it's not out yet. So you're gonna have to wait for that. She goes, oh my God. Well, I can't wait to try it when it comes out. I'll flirt with you then. Remind me. I am like so unbelievably proud of Carl. I could not even imagine trying to open a bar in New York City. That is a terrifying thing. He cares so much about every single detail. And he's just like walking around all confident and sexy.

21:57I'm like, yes, sure.

22:01Ronnie Karam: Stop trying to make me believe that you're into Carl. I'm just not going to believe it. I think you're very, you know, you're very charismatic. You're good for the show. But this bullshit, just stop it. You're not even trying to sell it. She's like, wow, Carl, look at him. So sexy. do you need me to do that again or can i go to lunch now like i've i've had enough i've had enough of this soft storyline thank you he's like so confident walking around here as i cut to oh excuse me oh sorry about that oh excuse me um then ben and sabrina arrived west shows up he's like this is great and then ben and sabrina arrive and ben's like are you kidding me are you kidding me this place looks wonderful thank you is that for me or for softball for me it's just so nice bottle walked into a bar that suppose you just got there the colour scheme perfect the materials are even better wow what is that wood on the walls is that brick fantastic fantastic materials I love your decision to have a roof phenomenal fucking job man is that a spout that water comes out of well done wait a second I noticed that these bar stools actually have legs that is a great decision great Sabrina's like oh my god this drink is like the best drink I've ever had in my life that's like the best thing I've ever it's better than even food oh my god they should build towns only drink this I mean whoever needs who needs anything else this is the best thing I've ever had in my entire life oh my god I love being on the show thank god I've been on the show for a decade and then KJ KJ's there he's being sweet and he's like hey how are you two lovebirds doing and ben goes good he gives him a look like lovebirds why would you think they were lovebirds like settle down ben cagey goes what he's like well that's rich coming from you mate like it wasn't an attack jesus no i think he's saying like you're a love bird now too but yeah but like but like why would he even feel the need to be like but you are too like why are you being defensive just be like you're calling me a love bird you're a love bird i know it's like what the fuck what the fuck like i don't know like i'm telling you there's weird dark energy around this man and i know that i mean you know his whole thing with um his his whole thing starting with bailey and then going to amanda was all really super weird energy i just don't pick up on it every single time because i don't know i don't pay ben any attention i just find him to be such a boring person and now he's with sabrina so he's like taking on sabrina's personality where he's like oh my god let's find out the goss that isn't it's great finding out who's together like what are you what are you sabrina i don't know he's just a weird dude i don't i don't pay him any mind get rid of ben get rid of him well i pay a mind because i feel like these things need to be pointed out well i'm saying i'm not i'm sorry i'm not dissing you for doing it i'm just like no i wasn't ben just remember just ronnie beverage farm remembers you're gonna remember this forever Do you remember that Summer House recap where I tried coming for Ben and you said it's not even worth my time?

25:11Ronnie Karam: Well, Pepperidge Farm remembers. You're a lover boy. So then Sabrina's like, can I have a smooch? She's like, yes, yes, you can have a smooch because we are in love. So is everything good? We good? We good? We good? And she's like, yeah. And by the way, have you said anything about Christmas, everyone? I'm like, she's like basically like mugging at the camera and then the music stops like uh he stares at her with this like controlled rage like no um i haven't said anything about christmas it's like and so then cage is like whoa what what what's happening oh are you gonna be extra sensitive at that time i will be he's like no so when i bought my tickets to australia the other week i'm sorry i can't hear you could you actually ungrit your teeth Sorry about it.

26:03I bought Sabrina Bell a ticket as well. So Sabrina is going to come to Australia. It was going to be a big moment on our social media, but I suppose we don't have to have that big moment that we had already planned, Sabrina.

26:17Ronnie Karam: I'm going to meet his mom and dad. Can you believe it? I'm so excited. She's going to be telling everyone. Yeah, I've never been, and I'm going to meet his family for the first time. I'm so excited to meet his parents. Oh, my God. Nothing is going to make me happy. Okay, now tell him. what you told your mom about the next girl that you bring home. This is the best part. This is the best part. Um, okay, well, um, I was saving this for a scene I was planning out, but that's okay. Tell them, tell them, tell them, nothing's gonna make me happier. Please, nothing's gonna make me happier except for this drink.

26:47It's so good. That sort of makes me happier. Um, alright, well, for a long time, I've been telling mom that the next girl that I bring home will be something special. And? Well, uh, Yeah, so as you can imply, this is what's going to happen. So KJ's like, this summer took a quick turn. Like, me and Ben both came in as single bachelors slash models, and we're like not looking for anything serious. And then now Ben's about to get married. Actually, I guess technically we both came in saying we're single, but Ben came in not single. But now he's admitting that he is not single. It's crazy.

27:25Ronnie Karam: So Wes comes, and he's just biked over, so he's sweatier than usual. Wow, delicious. and um then carl's mom comes sharon dun dun dun sharon comes and she's like hi i'm not the first person that you came to see huh west huh west huh so sharon's there sharon looks very nice she has a nice little ensemble lawn and cute little haircut she does have her hair is looking very nice she's a nice little haircut and sharon's like how are you she's like he's like oh i'm fantastic you look great have you met mia before and mia's like hi i'm mia she was like nice to meet you and she does her like little curtsy thing that's what i i do love that sharon does her little curtsy every season and uh west is like this is carl's mom you know and she's like thank you well just make sure today i don't make any ill comments and we see a flashback to last year when sharon is like well you know it's been so such craps in the breakup and all that and she You was so mean to me, too.

28:28Ronnie Karam: And Wes is like, you'll be good. Don't worry. Okay. He's like, well, I got in trouble last year.

28:37Ronnie Karam: So he's like, well, do you feel like you've been able to fully let go and forgive? And she's like, not quite. So we come back to present. And Wes is like, yeah, you know, they've been getting along. And I don't know if he's told you, but it's been great between them. She goes, yeah. So I'm going to congratulate her. He's like, okay. well yeah do that so um then amanda and kyle walk in and i'm like dang it really came together and they like he's like looking around they're like oh this is nice and um sabrina meanwhile is talking to west and she's like oh my god so i literally was like on the phone with sierra last night and i was talking about how amazing and beautiful you are and then ben was like all right calm down so i was like oh my god ma 'am you are too involved in these people's relationship for someone who just entered the group sorry take a step back i'm like mortified for her yeah she's annoying so west is telling us so brina told me i was going on like a double date and like i don't know she was like west you and sierra should come to dinner and sierra like agreed and then i agreed and i'm like it's like too soon for that you know like we've been friends for like five fucking minutes like we're not date ready but like yeah so brina like booked our fucking wedding wedding venue already i mean god geez so that's what west says to us but look how he's acting in the show like let's hug me he's like great yeah um he's like well there's no cameras there so i don't really want to do this date um so now uh west is talking to bailey's like hey girly pops and she's like did you get a soft cocktail i was like oh i'm waiting and he's like does it have any benefits It's like, yeah, the benefit is it's delish.

30:19But meanwhile, Kyle's looking around and he's like, wow, I can't believe how much progress he made in the last two weeks. And that is a reasonable time frame to be impressed with the progress. I'd like to add, not a year. And Amanda's like, it's crazy. So they look at the menu.

30:31Ronnie Karam: So they look over a menu, yeah. And there is no soft lover boy. Dun, dun, dun. So at first you sort of think like, oh God, Kyle's being such an egotist. Like not everything has to have lover boy, Kyle. but Kyle tells us that they, he says, not only did we discuss soft bar serving lover boy, non-alk, I literally connected him with our distributor and things were sent in motion for me to show up. And there's just like no lover boy. And I'm like, damn. Now, Carl is under no obligation. Even after that, to continue to decide to move forward and stock lover boy, he's under absolutely no obligation, but I think he owes it to Kyle to be like, Hey bro, we're actually not going to use your lover boy.

31:12Especially if Kyle is thinking like, I can't donate my own money, but I can donate maybe some Loverboy. I can help with some of your inventory here. Kyle is also serving on the board of directors or something for this soft bar. I think it's a little crazy that Kyle finds out that his product is not being featured at the moment that he walks in and not ahead of time.

31:36Ronnie Karam: Passive-aggressive. That's what Carl serves best. So he's like, I don't know if this is punishment for not investing, but it hurts me. Commercials. Here comes one right now.

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33:06Ronnie Karam: so now sierra comes and you know saying how beautiful it is everybody's like congratulating carl and stuff and then we see georgina and lindsey i don't georgina i guess is on the new show the summer whatever the the city so they come in and they're walking down the sidewalk and georgina's like oh wow look there's soft bar and lindsey's like um are we in like the like warehouse district yeah it's brooklyn this was a full-on like second coming of gallery girls when they sent um what's her face why am i blanking on her name we um so bad at this um she even came to our shows um but she went to brooklyn they like like her boss sent her to brooklyn to pick up art and she went to Brooklyn and she was like, oh my God.

33:57She called her boyfriend and she's like, I'm in Brooklyn. I don't know what to do. There's broken glass on the sidewalk. Get me out of here.

34:06Ronnie Karam: Georgina's like, yeah, it's Brooklyn. Okay, it's Greenpoint. I'm too old. I can't leave Manhattan. But here we are going to a bar where I can't drink anything. Sounds fun. She's like, yeah, we're going to my ex-fiance's sober bar.

34:22By the way, Maggie. Her name is Maggie. How could I ever forget? I had drinks with her. I'm just a failure. I don't even try.

34:30Ronnie Karam: Notice I didn't even try. I was like, oh, Gallery Girls. Girl, that is so scrubbed from my brain. I don't even remember last week's Summer House. And we're talking about the show right now. Okay, I'm not going to remember a Gallery Girls. Gallery Girls has merged with my DNA. Yeah. Like Ellie. So, Lindsay's saying, yeah, well, it took like two years after our breakup, but here we are. He's actually doing something that deserves my attention. I'm going to prefer my juices to have alcohol in them at this moment in time, but I'm going to go support him and his$25 fruit drinks. It's so nasty, but I laughed.

35:03I laughed. I feel like, you know, I think as an ex, you are entitled to have a snotty moment here and there. I thought that was, I don't know. I was cracking up at her, but she's like, I came down to Brooklyn to have something non-alcoholic. Great.

35:19Ronnie Karam: So she goes up to Carl and say, like, hi, girl, I got you a gift. You have to open it right now. Is it a Loububo? Oh, I love a Loububo. Although I don't really approve of their faces, their heart. And she's like, no, it's like a teddy bear because, like, you want something soft. So, like, if you need a hug, you can hug the bear. He's like, oh, and we see a flashback to, hug me, I just want a hug right now. Harder, harder, put your weight in me. That's too hard, too hard, too hard, too hard, too hard. So it's a cute little teddy bear. He puts it on this little, like, he purchases it on this thing.

35:51And he's like, oh, wow, we've got 115 people here tonight. So it's been a process. But, huh. Well, is this a soft opening? He's like, yeah, it's a private soft opening. And the grand opening, September 17th. So we got another two weeks. That's a hard opening? Yeah. I wish that opening could just hug me. Hard.

36:08Ronnie Karam: Love the terminology. Love that you said hard. That was really good, Lindsay. Like, you're really coming in here with terms. Love that. jordan is like oh my god a hard opening for soft bar wow wow someone please get me back to nomad thank you do i miss lindsey like a hundred percent a hundred percent i do like i miss our friendship you know i'll miss the car that i like helped buy that lindsey now drives yeah miss it but at this little moment like the teddy bear like even if it's a little backhanded or silly or whatever she's going for here like it means a lot to me so thank you lindsey like i appreciate you coming Your feedback, believe it or not.

36:42Ronnie Karam: It's like, while we're standing here, right now. You know how you said brick and mortar is for losers? That's why we're here. So thank you. Yeah, thank you. She's like, okay. And Georgina's like, yeah, soft bear. Okay, yeah, live up there. Okay, that's cute. That's so cute, Carl, that you have in there. Okay, Carl, we'll see you on the spinoff. Oh, what spinoff? In the city? Oh, I'm not familiar. Okay, well, talk to you later, Carl. Hey. so then andrea comes across like oh my god i didn't know you were coming he's like oh lexi oh lexi and yeah it's like a reunion of summer house people they're just all there and then we get a speech from carl he's like guys um sometimes it rains and it's winter outside and the rain freezes and it's hard and people fall down so i wanted to have a place where people could like come like celebrate things being soft like water should be thank you please welcome my angel investor let's not use there let's not use cut over here um it's actually a very nice speech he talks about you know he gives tribute to uh various people who have passed due to substance abuse um and how the their survivors have you know basically built this bar together and it's a very lovely speech.

38:06He talks about how his brother is an inspiration and he also tells us like, you know, it's bittersweet for him because Softbar wouldn't exist without his brother passing and how he would burn down all of Softbar, just have his brother back. But he also feels like his brother is watching over him and guiding him to a safer place. It's very lovely. It's very, very sweet. And Luke is there like, oh, I'm so sad. I'm crying.

38:30Ronnie Karam: So then - This is why I believe in lower taxes for the inner city. What does that have to do with anything? I'm going to be in Congress. Thanks. So, Lindsay, what's her buns? The mom, Sharon, is tiptoeing closer and closer to Lindsay because she wants to talk to her. And Lindsay's like, oh, my God. Carl's mom is here. Right behind me. She's like, oh, my God. Is she near me? I feel her presence coming up behind me. The last time I spoke to Sharon, the weird text she sent me a month after my breakup. And then we see the text. It's like, dear Lindsay. I know I've not reached out to you since everything happened.

39:04Ronnie Karam: Please understand. I do care for you and want only the best for you. I hope you're taking care of yourself, Sharon. Which was nice. And Lindsay's like, why even send that? I thought it was like a very nice text. She didn't have to send that and it was very nice. Why would you even do that? My goal is to keep my distance and avoid. I think that Lindsay's just like not comfortable with maternal love or something because that was for reasons that she has spoken about before. She was like, so Sharon's like, well, excuse me, whoever I'm talking to. I have a young woman I have to speak to that I haven't spoken to in a long time.

39:38Lindsay, there she is. Oh, wow. Her hair is so short. She's got my hairstyle. Wow. That's, that's really nice. So Sharon starts like going through the crowd. She's like, excuse me, excuse me. She's like poking through. She's like, oh, you're trying to get through. And I was like, oh God. And Lindsay sees her approaching and Lindsay's doing a thing like, I'm not going to acknowledge this woman until she forces me to acknowledge her. I'm just going to pretend like I don't even see her. So then finally Sharon's like, excuse me, tap, tap, excuse me. Hey, for someone who just had a baby, you look spectacularly good.

40:11And it's like, thank you so much.

40:14Ronnie Karam: How are you doing, Lindsay? She's like, um, good. She's like, congrats.

40:24Do I get a hug? Oh, Sharon, don't ask for a hug. Uh, you and Carl love hugs. So then Lindsay gives her this hug like, ew. Like this side hug, like, ew, gross.

40:39Ronnie Karam: I love hugs. I love your hair. It's like, um, thank you. So how's the baby girl doing? It's like, great. She's not walking yet, is she? Unfortunately, probably not. She probably walked away by now. I don't think. Pretty much. Oh, that's crazy. Not going to be a lot to work on here, Lindsay. Can we, come on, I'm just trying to be nice. So Lindsay's like, yeah, she's a real go-getter, like her mom. Well, that's good. We need go-getters. Yeah, and she's slightly mean, just like me, right? And Sharon, I actually love this from Sharon. She's, ha, ha, ha, just slightly mean. Well, you are you.

41:24I felt like Sharon deserved, like she, I think that shade was earned by Sharon. Lindsay was being totally cold. I know that Lindsay wants nothing to do with Carl or his family. I get that. I know that the mom called Lindsay a little bit mean, but I'm sure that Lindsay probably was a bit mean. I kind of think that Lindsay was being over the top rude. I do believe that she doesn't have to be best friends with Sharon. She could just be nice. So lovely to see you. Congrats to your son. and move on keep it cute i thought lindsey was being very disrespectful

41:59Ronnie Karam: sharon is an asshole and i'm not going to forget that sharon was doing all of that stuff on camera with carl like making lindsey out to be this huge monster and abusive and all of this other shit that she was doing you know and like carl's just an innocent sweetie and you need to get away from lindsey and lindsey's like i mean carl that's like abusive and all the shit that she was doing on camera it wasn't just saying lindsey was mean because i remember that season when all this was happening and sharon says i just i remember just finally saying fuck off sharon like i'd finally just had it with sharon she's so manipulative and the way she does every and lindsey knows what's coming she knows what this lady is doing and she's not going to give her an inch and i loved it if sharon wanted to do anything for lindsey she should have sent a text that said lindsey things got out of hand i overstepped and i'm sorry that's all that she needed to do but this like i'm just going to pretend everything's okay and then come make passive aggressive remarks i mean something passive aggressive was going to be coming from sharon no matter what and lindsey knew it so she wasn't going to give her a damn inch so i say you go lindsey sharon sharon earned every bit of treatment that you just gave her after dragging your ass on camera all season last year and helping her son to make you look like a pariah because he was too much of a pussy to have any kind of conversation with you.

43:19Ronnie Karam: But also, what was Sharon being fed from Carl? Like, a mom's going to defend her son, too. Of course, that's true. I remember last season being annoyed with Sharon as well. I remember feeling frustrated. I felt like she was co-signing on stuff, and I did feel some manipulative things from her. But I also feel like Carl was actually playing them against each other, because that's his favorite past times, playing the women against each other. That's true. And I feel like Carl was probably... I think Carl was feeding Sharon like oh well Lindsay's so mean to me I could barely else paralyzed so like a mom's gonna defend her son and I think that in this case Lindsay's literally going to Carl's event Sharon's gonna be there she's on their turf like if you're not gonna be nice to them if you're not like don't show up I understand she's got to show up it's summer house she's probably obligated she needs to get her scenes in but I don't know I just think that like like why is she not like what you how you feel about ben which is to say you know what i am not gonna pay i don't care about this woman hi so great to see you thank you so much congratulations i'll see you around and you just keep it moving but she was actively cold and i think that she kind of she started it with a passive aggression sharon was being nice and lindsey was the first one be like i guess i mean right and so when sharon goes well you are you and that's what's most important to be yourself I thought that shade was so funny I thought it was funny too I mean I think that I think you know you're disrespectful to someone's mom yes I see that but Sharon earned it and if she wanted like I said if she wanted any more from Lindsay she owes her an apology and that's it and that's just how Lindsay is and I like that Lindsay's like I'm not going to give this woman her moment because look at Sharon you know this is how Sharon she's just like Carl she starts the whole thing like well guys I guess I better not say anything got in trouble last time.

45:09Ronnie Karam: See how it goes with Lindsay. You know, she's like setting it up to be this. And I love that Lindsay doesn't give a fuck. Lindsay knows that she's going to be made out to be the biggest bee in the world, and she doesn't care. She's like, fuck that lady. I'm not going to give her her moment. I loved it. She didn't know her shit. I mean, Carl definitely, like, we see where Carl gets it, for sure. But I just think that Lindsay could have still been more respectful, regardless of the situation. Lindsay's a Lindsay, and I love it. Lindsay is unapologetically herself. Yes. And And Sharon was right. Like, okay, well, I guess being you is important.

45:41Ronnie Karam: And Lindsay's like, that's right, bitch. Bye. Have a nice one. Have a nice life. So then she's like, well, glad I got to see you. Yeah, good to see you too. Enjoy. Take care of yourself. You too. So Sharon goes back to wherever she had been. And someone says, how was it? Not good? And Sharon just a drink. Yeah, not good. She's like, no.

46:07Ronnie Karam: You earned that one, sucka. So then Jesse, KJ, and Ben are talking, and they're talking about Jesse's outfit. It's like everybody loves it. Then Amanda and Wes are talking. So Amanda's like, so Saturday went well. Well, it probably couldn't have gone any better than it did. She's like, that's good. I mean, it was just like everything we should have talked about, you know. So that was good. Hey, guys, it's me and the husband. Can I just drop? Can I just drop? Are you guys talking about how there's no, like, lover boy here? That sucks. yeah yeah it's just like everything we should have like you know it's like i tried to fill her in on what happened but she was just like be quiet kyle just let him talk kyle god yeah well i just didn't i didn't want to eavesdrop without giving me some background you know no um we're good like you're good like so we were on like the dock and they all came later and like got out of the car and i was like oh i wish amanda was getting out of this fucking car because i was like we should like fuck with him and do something you know like something like that yeah it was hilarious we were all but they both call us it was like so good it was like hilarious oh i'm so happy so then danielle is there as well so she goes up to carl and uh she's with owen her boyfriend that's how you pronounce his name someone told us in the comments eowen it's owen so um danielle's like oh my god this looks so good it's like exactly how it's supposed to look like it's so good of you did you pick your outfit from an app and then lindsey's looking around and she's like oh i mean this is like a reunion of reunions we got luke we have danielle we have andrea and i don't think there's anyone else here from previous seasons like emerald's just in the background again just like talking like emerald was in so many shots so um kyle's like oh i haven't Lindsay and Danielle yet.

47:56Yeah, I mean, you may not recognize her because she doesn't have any of that Long Island Railroad hair that she gets

48:03Ronnie Karam: when she gets off the train. She's not carrying her Windows laptop today, so you might not have recognized her. Well, when was the last time you saw her? And it's been a long time. And was it a falling out or just a ghosting? It's like, it wasn't really a ghosting, but I watched a show like everyone else, and her confessionals were brutal after brutal. so she was mad because Danielle was being snarky in last season's confessionals which you know um Lindsay's like not not happy with people who are snarky or say things about her even though she is so cutting I mean she literally just got up there and like was like oh well Carl's like serving fruit juice or whatever his fruit drinks she's like so mean and then like when someone says something like light shade or snarky, she's like, I'm not going to talk to them ever again.

48:55Ronnie Karam: Yeah, she doesn't take it very well. That's for sure. I remember when we met her years ago, like 10 years ago or whatever, she hooked up our after party for our New York show at Pizza Beach. And she came and I was like, oh, hey, Lindsay, nice to meet you. And she's like, by the way, what you said about na-na-na-na-na-na-na. She started like just reading me the riot act for sure. And I was like, I was just kidding. She's like, whatever, whatever. And like, she, I mean, she, she can't take it as well as she can give it for sure. I know, but that's what makes her Lindsay. That's what makes her Lindsay.

49:27Ronnie Karam: Exactly. You either love her or you hate her. Yeah. I think we all love her at this point, regardless of flaws, regardless of how rude she's being. It's just Lindsay. So Danielle is like the thought of having, oh, we just see some flashbacks of what some first snark, whatever. It's like, not really that essential. So Lindsay's like, I just have like such limited time to even see my friends and do anything like ever. And so, like, I just don't need negativity or friends. And I feel like I just, like, need to compete with me all the time. So it's just, like, not the kind of, like, friendship that I want.

49:57So, like, stop competing with me, Danielle.

50:01Ronnie Karam: Was Gabby at this thing? Why was Gabby here? I did not see Gabby. I don't know what's going on with Gabby. So then we've got a storyline for In the City, Danielle and Lindsay fall out. So Kyle immediately goes over to Danielle. yell and he's like so i guess you and lindsey hate each other now with that and lindsey's like i gotta go so she leaves and um carl's like yeah so why she ate you and danielle's like well you know she was upset about like i don't know like how things were set on i don't know the carl situation is it you want to grab her because she's like running out so you should just i don't know you should maybe chase her or something listen the longer the silence continues the harder it is to break it and then before you know it you're married for 10 years and like no one will even support your DJing in the living room.

50:50But then Lindsay leaves. So oh well I guess we'll have to see how this is resolved on In the City. Starring Danielle and Andrea and Georgina and Lindsay and Kyle. Wow. I mean talk about a soft launch. So then Jesse and Amanda are talking and Jesse's like hey are you feeling recharged and ready for the weekend? She's like no. it's like of course but i'll be ready it's only wednesday i can't believe you missed the squashing

51:18Ronnie Karam: of the beef with west and sierra she's like yeah i can't believe i missed it either and now they're like hanging out after this and she's wait tonight he's like yeah she's wait they have plans not one but like yeah like sabrina not one-on-one but sabrina texted me because we talk now oh yeah she's crazy and she's like ben and i are gonna have drinks with west and sierra you should come like i haven't talked to west about it but like yeah i guess they're back to like normal friends who double date now so and this this was truly the moment where i started to say oh maybe something has been going on because she looks shocked and it wasn't shocked like way now they went from being like not talking to like hanging out like she looks legitimately like oh like i wasn't told about this in a way that felt proprietary she was just talking to west she was just talking to west and of course west didn't mention this i also by the way i also thought it was funny when jesse said yeah sabrina texted me because i guess we talked now because i think that loki he thinks that she's crazy i do i do enjoy when jesse who's always smiling happy-go-lucky secretly does not like someone i think that's like a fun vibe yeah well he's been pointing out like so wait a minute So they weren't dating this whole time, but now she knows everything from the house in like 24 hours.

52:36Ronnie Karam: What the fuck is going on? You know, so he knows that something's fishy here. So Amanda's like, wait a minute, but that's not just friends. And he's like, yeah, it's like a double date, right? She's like, wait, how do we go from zero to 100? I mean, they're going on a double. West has to be caught. What's going on here? He has to be cautious about her feelings. Yeah, because I don't think she could really handle just a friendship. but we'll see talk about like even if nothing was happening here you are talking on camera about like wait how do we go from zero to 100 ma 'am you're at 160 right now and she's like I don't think they could just I don't think she could handle a friendship then why have you been trying to get them to be friends Amanda that's not what you mean you see what's going on you know you're already being you're already being cheated on yeah well to be continued sort of we'll see what happens next week next week the fight is gonna happen or at least it'll start and then it'll probably say to be continued but soft fight happening next week in the house can't wait so excited for that thanks everyone for being here be sure to get your cabaret tickets speaking about in the city if you're gonna be in New York get your cabaret tickets and there will be a streaming option too so So just check out the link that is on our social media and it will be on our website if it's not there already.

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