#3349 Crappy Hour Crappy Hour 5/4: Hollywood Crime Scene and RHOBH Dramz

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2:35Ronnie Karam: Well, hello and welcome to Crappy Hour. I'm Ronnie. That's Ben over there.

2:39Ben Mandelker: hi ben hi ronnie how's it going good how you doing you handsome little guy i'm doing quite well thanks you know it's monday crappy hour it's excited to talk about things what's going on

2:52Ronnie Karam: well i'm having trouble because i think i'm balding on the sides of my eyebrows look i'm like thinning on the sides of my eye someone mentioned it in a comment i mean not that not that it bothered me at all you shithead whoever did that you said who who said that you're like having eyebrow thinning they said what's ronnie something like what's wrong with ronnie's divine eyebrows i was like what i don't even pluck my eyebrows anymore since the since the early 2000s but now that i look at them i think they're totally right but then these ones i still the this side of it i still have to trim with the tremor because they get like thing get the tattoo thing no you can't get a tattoo of your eyebrows no no no it's not like you don't do no no it's like the light

3:33Ben Mandelker: tattooing it sort of fills it in you know yeah but then what if eyebrow shapes drastically change

3:38Ronnie Karam: then you're fucked you know that's what happens well i don't think that really affects men too much though right oh nothing affects men okay what are you gonna do like you're gonna get like the

3:49Ben Mandelker: like the big art like you're gonna get like the betty davis no i'm gonna complain about arches

3:54Ronnie Karam: no it's just gonna be my thing that's gonna be my new thing i'm just gonna be like i'm I'm thinning in my eyebrows. You can't make fun of me. I'm thinning in my eyebrows. That'll be my victim quote whenever anybody calls me out.

4:04Ben Mandelker: Well, my eyebrows are very unique in that they go in all different directions. And they like, they used to never, it used to be just fine. And now they're like little antennae, like everywhere. Yeah, that's the best way.

4:18Ronnie Karam: You're very handsome. I'll take whatever you have. All right, everybody. Welcome to the show today. We added a third show to our cabaret in New York City on June 5th. We added a late show. It's at 930. The tickets just went on sale today. So go get them right now. Okay. It's going to be fun. It's going to be Housewives musical. Okay. You've never seen Ben sing as Erica Jane. It's time you did. Yeah. Today is a very special day because we have very special guests along with us today for crappy hour. We've got Rachel and Desi from Hollywood crime scene podcast. Ladies. Hi. How are you tonight? welcome i'm worried about my eyebrows now i know i know be careful you never know where the good lord's gonna hit you i'll tell you that they're just staring at our faces picking us apart like figuring out that would have made me spiral for like a week

5:16Ben Mandelker: yeah be careful of eoet early onset eyebrow thinning it can happen to anyone

5:21Ronnie Karam: well i was just making fun of i just said something about britney's new boyfriend on the valley i was like get your thinning eyebrows out of here and i shouldn't have done it maybe that's why i did it because i i had read that comment about myself and so maybe i was seeing i was projecting my pain onto other people you should get some power back yeah yeah i'm not the only one i'm not the only one it's me and that schlub from the valley too get off my ass well welcome to the show you guys um tell us your bravo history it's like what do you what are you into

6:23Jen Youwanna the universe yeah southern hospitality sort of replaced vanderpump for me like that's now i was a huge vanderpump girly but like yeah i like it all pretty much yeah yeah that'll do it bravo watcher as well but just the housewives and ladies of london of course oh yeah which is

6:45Ben Mandelker: fabulous it's so good i'm so curious desi um in terms of like you watched some of the below deck with the salt lake city women um what was your thought about like below deck in that in those like three or four episodes that they aired at the top of the season was it like my dad keeps on trying to call me um go ahead i i really liked the salt lake city um below deck episodes um and i liked some of the characters i do know like kate from traders like i've seen her on some other stuff so i kind of am a little familiar and i know like captain sandy and i i'm like kind of aware of the discourse. Yes.

7:24And I would love like, if someone was like, you have to start with this season, like, this is like where you can start, then right. I'm not necessarily like I want to watch. I don't know how connected it is. Like, do I have no, you don't have to watch it.

7:38Ronnie Karam: They fire people. Mostly they'll bring on like one or two people that are every season. But you know, I mean, they're cleaning. It's really be into watching people clean. I actually liked the episodes that i did watch though i i felt like it really showed i'm like a huge heather hater so for me it was really good because i was like yeah she looks awful even worse i felt like she did that was not a flattering episode so i was kind of like happy um and i i think there's a lot of hot guys on the show which is intriguing to me so what's going on about below deck is that

8:15Ben Mandelker: a lot of times they have like very hot men on there and by the end of the season they're so repulsive too that the idea that you could ever find them attractive at any time is like hilarious I think if you are looking to start with a below deck season I would just say pick it up again with Down Under it's been a I think a great season we've already seen tonight's episode so we can't say what's going to happen but I was thoroughly entertained and satisfied by the episode I was cracking up and by the way fish report will be off the hook that's we have so many seriously oh my god the fish i was like

8:51Ronnie Karam: yes they're really up in their fish game for this one yeah it's good it's a good i would say though like hot guys that you're repulsed by is like a bravo staple like yes there's so many guys i was attracted to and then i'm like oh like when they say if you're ever hopelessly in love with somebody put them on bravo it'll when they start when they start like when seth started feeling himself i was like immediately turned off. I was like, I liked it when you didn't know you were hot like from right from Salt Lake. Yes. Like once they start DJing and like feeling themselves, I'm like done usually.

9:25So not hot.

9:27Ben Mandelker: I have Meredith Marks's board game here and we've never played it. I'm gonna, I'm gonna step off stage. I'm gonna bring, I'm gonna bring the board game over here. We can open the box together and take a look around. You guys continue amongst yourselves. We're huge Meredith. Yeah, we're huge Meredith stands. And I have to say that your takes about Salt Lake City this season made me feel less crazy because I don't know what my algorithm on threads was doing, but everyone was wrong. Everyone was team Brittany. I was like, what the fuck is wrong with you? And this is this is where Bravo becomes unenjoyable sometimes.

10:00And I hate that because I'm like, it's fucking Bravo. Like, it's not that serious. It's like when you start with teams. but yeah oh but when it was britney v meredith i'm like it's clearly we're clearly all team

10:10Ronnie Karam: meredith right oh you know i feel the same way all the time and it's it's so fun when you're on the same side as as everybody as the audience but very rarely i am you know yeah same and that was one of them where i was going crazy by the end i was just screaming and yelling by the end of every i'm like how can you people not see this you know it's like i get too i get too involved i too yeah i get too nuts yeah all right ben bring it on baby you guys this is the rumors rumors and

10:40Ben Mandelker: the massiness this was given this was sent to me actually from seth marks himself i think oh my god i take it back to say that i think you have to see that it was like we built with the fcc well the box is very chic the box is very chic so here's the story here's the here's the story with all this this was released during Bravo Con and we ran into Seth and I was like Seth oh my god my two loves are like Bravo and board games this is like the perfect union of them both he's like oh my god we gotta send you this we gotta send you I ran into him like three more times over the weekend and every time I ran into him it got bigger and bigger and bigger that by the end he was like literally saying hey this is Ben he's gonna consult on the board games he's coming into the business our newest investor i know i was like whoa but they were like uh but they sent it so um first we have there's like a sleeve i'm gonna pull this sleeve off nice rumors i'm asking this it's hollow just like the accusations and then okay so you have this nice box it's a box love it it's very nice packaging so it's really nice looking oh this actually doesn't even look like a board game it looks like sex toys oh well now it doesn't but it just it looks like it could be naughty

12:02Ronnie Karam: little sex toys yeah you start with those you start with those you can insert these in places that's level four yeah there's a short glass and of course when i fly airplanes i only put water in these there's some there's some pans

12:26Ben Mandelker: this is these are some dry erase pans um okay here oh there are some caviar tins but i think these are full of questions with mark's caviar tins yes and they're full of questions so this is the meredith marx limited edition ages 21 and up rumors and asses game the game where the truths and lies collide i think it's basically a two truths and a lie game um i'm not going to go through all the rules right now because this is actually a good amount of text wow but if i know correct oh there is something in here that does seem sort of like a sex toy there's like a round glass thing that oh i don't know maybe you open this up and i think there's like different topics so from what i gather oh here are the questions i think it's that you really play two truths and a lie and then you have topics like gossip there's a coasters there's a gossip coaster and a betting coaster and i think um you have to say is this a rumor is it a lie and then what happens is if it's a rumor or if you get it right you get to put something in your shot glass and if you get it you get you drink from your shot glass so very exciting stuff over here i like that she based a whole board game just to kind of validate the fact that people are accusing her of being a liar

13:41Ronnie Karam: yeah that's the great the greatest expression of defense and all the alcoholic season putting sunglasses in oh absolutely these are supposed to be diamonds but it just looks like hard drugs yeah this i wasn't doing crystal meth in the bathroom all night weirdo she's pulling from all the from all the yeah she's just fully she got tired after the tiny sex stories she was like i I came up with tiny socks. Stick this up your ass. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crapins commercial. Lately, I've been more intentional about what I wear day to day, and I'm leaning into pieces that feel easy and comfortable but still put together.

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17:21Ronnie Karam: All right, let's get on to some Bravo headlines, shall we? There's a lot going on this week, guys. There's a little war, mini war, between Teddy, who the internet lovingly refers to as John Mellencamp's daughter. Teddy, you know, just comes out swinging against Dorit. Now, Teddy, as we all know, is a minion of Kyle Richards. She'll do anything for her little Kyle. So if Kyle's going to go for Dorit, so will Teddy. on her show with Tamara. She said, PK says the show created... Hi, I'm Teddy. PK says the show created scenarios that did not happen. What about the crying episode when their home was burglarized and Dorit was hugging Mauricio?

18:08Ronnie Karam: Was that created? Ooh, burn. Didn't you cheat on your husband? With a horse? With a horse? With a horse. With a horse. Let's just start rumors.

18:20Ben Mandelker: Talk about a Hollywood crime scene.

18:23Ronnie Karam: we're gonna judge someone for hugging Mauricio Teddy really she went on to stay she uh talked about more of Dorit's major storylines throughout her Beverly Hills tenure including the Buca di Peppo room and her Beverly Beach bathing suit line he said he began to look at Dorit wondering who are you at the moment I was wondering did he mean because of the plastic surgery or how she mentally was acting haven't you had your face done 20 times who the fuck teddy how dare you god to read has the best plastic surgery of all the women on bravo in my opinion i think who i'm dying to know who her doctor is i'm dead serious like if anybody knows i think

19:05Ben Mandelker: whatever work she had done was great it looks great i actually agree yeah but the weird part is that like teddy is actually defending to read here i think except for the fact that she just took a dig at the plastic surgery she is because if pk is saying this is all made up wouldn't wouldn't teddy saying if it was all made up like are you saying that your wife's trauma was made up are you saying that what she did with the buco de bepa room was made up are you saying that her beverly beach was made up so she's actually defending dorit here which is if you think about it yeah maybe really hard you gotta really think so teddy teddy didn't bring up because i feel like bringing up buka de papo room is that automatic slam it's me like no Beverly leaves those are both slantars bringing up any of her businesses is shade right like yes even the book and that's not even out yet did PK bring it up or did Teddy I guess I was confused um Teddy called out more of

20:00Ronnie Karam: Dorit's major storylines throughout her tenure including so I guess this was Teddy yeah and then he said PK said he began to look at Dorit wondering who are you and Teddy said did he mean because of her plastic surgery or how she was acting or mentally she was acting or whatever so yeah you know i just you know what a crazy hypocritical thing to say teddy although maybe

20:23Ben Mandelker: i'll walk back my thing because i just assumed teddy was saying so what about this was that fake what about this was that fake but maybe she was saying it like so was that fake was that fake right i guess i have to hear the tone of her voice to know if she was like questioning whether things were fake or was she questioning pk's um accusations and yeah yeah i feel like because of her kyle connection it has to be shady personally yeah she's just on there i think stumping for kyle is yeah but um i mean so to read oh sorry go ahead no it's good i just don't get i don't know who likes teddy like why why does she have a podcast like what they have a lot of listeners so i mean they're out there it's crazy i always consider her one of the least popular like housewives right like i don't know maybe i'm just once again out of the loop she just yeah she has like um for some reason she's still with us in terms of like a pop culture right like in a way that we were not necessarily expecting but now at this point she's like they are just their own pop their their own right podcast so now yeah they she has cachet for that but it was weird that someone said let's take one of the most popular or at least most known housewives teddy i'm sorry tamra i put

21:43Ronnie Karam: her with teddy because they both have t's in their names bizarre well strange when it started it was just teddy and she was doing like murder a murder show or something right it was like a murder podcast yeah where she's like hey it's teddy someone got killed i don't know whatever i think it was like a murder show and then that wasn't working and she had to deal with iheart or whatever so i think that they were like okay let's just bring in another housewife like your dad called wasn't on tv yeah your dad called your dad your dad uh gave us a couple of tips the first was to fire you um but you're under contract so his other was to get another fired housewife so they got tamra to do it and tamra's a little spitfire so there you go right that makes match made in hell okay but yeah they've got a lot of listeners and one thing i learned a long time ago watching these housewives shows is there is a fan for everybody you know like no matter how unpopular my opinion about current casts may be i know that there is at least one or two people who will agree with me and i will search reddit until i find them and i'll be like you want to go to lunch yes that's yeah honestly i'm the same way when i see someone on a reddit board that agrees with my bad opinion i'm always like yay and i'm like let me see the heat they're getting before i say anything i always give them enough i have to support them yeah i've had to stick away award

23:07Ben Mandelker: yeah nice yeah i stepped away because there are too many people that are like you know what ben's always wrong i'm just like you know what well it only takes one bad thing you know to ruin the

23:21Ronnie Karam: whole experience because it's like oh my god this is so fun listening to how everybody's making fun a teddy oh my god it's so fun they're like ronnie has thinning brows so i'm like oh i'm never coming back here again it is you'll see like you'll see people like defending sesame street from potomac like like people you think are indefensible like it's wild like you kind of have a safe opinion and you're like wait there's ashley darby fans like what yeah i do feel bad for the people who

23:51Ben Mandelker: like well i feel bad for the people who are like guys i know this is an unpopular opinion but i really like diana from beverly hills everyone's like oh you you i'm like they said it was unpopular why are you getting mad at them even if they're wrong i mean you gotta keep those thoughts to yourself i think i think you know when it's like i think they might secretly think it is popular because why would you do that to yourself on threads especially like i don't know i think you're trying to find the other people who agree with you. Yeah, you want community. Or sometimes it's just a person who doesn't realize their Facebook, their Facebook post is going to threads and they're like innocently posting something and then they get dragged to hell.

24:33Ronnie Karam: Oh God. Yeah, you have to know where you're posting. You have to know how to read the room. You can be as nasty as you want on Facebook, I think, because those people over there on Housewives threads are real bad. I saw Facebook and I go on there and I'm like, oh my God, these people are so horrible. and i'm pretty mean but i'll read their comments oh my god these people facebook is monsters

24:53Ben Mandelker: well there's a lot of like there's a lot of like um aunts and gram and grandmas on on facebook these days and it's just like people who are just of a different generation did not necessarily grow up with like how to like chat about things on an on an online forum and there's a lot of like this person sucks I think the thing that I always have like the biggest difference with especially like the Facebook type fans is that like the older ones like you're talking about is that I actually enjoy really bad people like I don't have to personally think someone's a good person to watch them on television in fact I want to do the worst of the worst and that's where I'm like I don't get that you have to like someone to watch them on television and that's sort of where I always sort of disagree with people i was like right she's horrible that's why she's great but it's like a

25:45Ronnie Karam: sport it's like a sport you know you have to be just just terrible enough to not be completely over like completely cancelable you know what i mean yes to get right up to that line to get a

25:57Ben Mandelker: text yeah i know i love someone in the comments says back to hot topics dot dot dot and i'm like wondering are they saying that we've drifted too far off the topics or are they just making reference to joy behar as being one of these people who would respond

26:15Ronnie Karam: all right so duri responded sad sad to see someone once called me a friend go this low uh she said in a comment on their post uh pk said oh oh sorry um oh this is just repeating more teddy stuff never mind i don't need to repeat any more teddy stuff she's repeated enough But yeah, Dorit's mad, I guess, is the follow-up there. Yes. Shocker. I mean, that's the theme, right? Dorit's mad.

26:44Ben Mandelker: Where do you guys stand? Yeah. Are you guys current with the Beverly Hills reunions and everything? Yes. Yes. Where do you stand on this Dorit versus Kyle situation? Well, obviously, I'm team Dorit. And I'm not co-signing. Before everyone jumps down, I'm not co-signing Dorit's entire run on the show. But in this instance, Kyle's wrong. wrong yeah i i think so too i think to read is correct but she just has the worst possible way of delivering her defense or her accusations and i wish i could like coach her because i do think she's right and kyle needs to be like taken down a notch i just don't think she's doing it in a way that the fans like i agree and meredith marx also has this problem yeah for me and i love meredith marks but she is terrible at defending herself and explaining what's happening wouldn't you if you had a toddler at home yeah and i mean i get it i think in both cases they have people coming

27:43Ronnie Karam: for them for shit that they're like what i mean meredith they're coming at her like just for random like you're a drunk and you're this and you said this she's like what are you even why i wasn't even fighting with you guys like what are we fighting about and then she just gets to the point like now i'm a drug addict now i'm fucking some guy now they make me they make them so crazy that by the end but dorit really consider you know comparing the two dorit has not taken half that guy from from these ladies they're just like be nicer to pk or you're going to get in trouble which i don't think that was kyle's business to say and i'm always anti kyle i think i think kyle's always wrong in these situations yeah and i do think that i do legit think she was wrong but um dorit just takes it to this other level and then it's every dinner it's like but you said amanda you talked about it at lunch with so-and-so it's like oh god it's episode 30 of the season right it got you it went too far like the repetitive fight like it was the same fight every dinner i think that's where she kind of lost people right um i don't know it was it hasn't been kind

28:48Ben Mandelker: of fun seeing someone really just scolding kyle at long yes yes waiting for someone to to be like shut the up you know because kyle has been a shitty girl's girl she's like not one she's really been advocating for pk in subtle ways she acts like she like last season was all about dorit kind of begging kyle to stop talking with pk and now this time she's like well i'm not talking with pk everyone she's like boasting this like i've been silenced i'm not allowed to send jokes and memes anymore it's like oh boohoo kyle and kyle's the one who tainted this relationship and so i love dorit coming for kyle yeah and i have this i have this paradoxical thing where i'm also really enjoying erica holding dorit's feet to the fire for being late all the time and beings like really she should be called out for that because it is really fucking rude i think kyle is terrified of Dorit because Dorit knows how the sausage is made.

29:47Dorit knows how Kyle operates because she was a part of the Fox Force 5. So she knows exactly what Kyle's doing and she is so unhinged that she hasn't been afraid to just directly say it, basically, and call out what she's up to in this instance. I mean, Kyle... Kyle... I feel like you dislike Kyle... I'm sorry, I'm reading a comment. I got distracted.

30:12Ronnie Karam: It says, Ronnie, I feel like your dislike for Kyle blinds your objectivity towards Dorit. I mean, I think I'm pretty objective. Look, I think I've just said why I think Dorit is wrong in a lot of ways. And Dorit, like you're saying, being late in all of that is so beyond rude. And I've never stood up for that. Some of the things that Dorit is called out for is true. And she should be called out. And Dorit's been an asshole for years. So I feel really weird being behind Dorit in any sense. The reason I am isn't just because she's against Kyle it's because Kyle's Kyle's doing her same tricks that she's been doing for years it's like she doesn't like someone so she goes and she works with every other person behind that person's back when that person doesn't really even know what's going on and then she tries to boot them you know and it just bugs me that she has that kind of power she's too uninteresting to have that much power to me right I actually find the banter or the back and forth between Erica and Doree to be more interesting because I do feel like Erica is spelling out her case better in a way that kyle just doesn't do and i was like i would love to see dorit and erica really sit down and kind of hash it out calmly or something or as calmly as those two possibly could yeah because that i feel like erica i think made some points like whereas kyle just never lands for

31:25Ben Mandelker: me like kyle is sort of like uh like she's giving kid sister energy which is sort of her role in her family and you just see how like that dynamic like re-emerges time and time again when she gets into fights with people it's like but i wasn't the only one it wasn't just yeah it's everyone's serious not just me it's not just me whereas erica's like don't talk like that to me and it's just like oh so like erica's big kathy you know yeah his kid erica's like i've got

31:50Ronnie Karam: double pink eye you better watch out with her blush all the way over here i'll give it to you

31:56Ben Mandelker: great i also want to say something else about um ronnie um like not being able to be objective about Dorit. I actually think that as podcasters, we're under no obligation to be objective about any of these people. I think that it's like, it is our like right to watch these shows and pick our favorites and warp our minds to come up with any reason why we would like them or not like them. I think that's like the fun of these shows. I mean, yes, it's good to like have an open mind. And I actually do try to have an open mind. That's why a lot of times on the podcast, I'll say something like, I don't like this person.

32:30Ben Mandelker: However, I could see from their point of view, because I do like to look at other people's point of views, but I also don't think that this is a journalistic enterprise and we're under normal obligation to be objective about any of these idiots' point of views about anything. So I just want to defend Ronnie. And not that Trent was coming at you. No, he wasn't coming at me.

32:51Ronnie Karam: And I put it up there because it's something that I hear a lot, and especially towards the end of A Real Housewives of Beverly Hills season. I get it a lot. Like, Ronnie, Jesus, shut up. But, you know, I'm just an audience member, And by the end, every season I try to start like, okay, here's a, here's a clean slate. Who cares? I'm always fine with Kyle until the middle of the season is when I'm like, oh, I see what you're doing, lady. And I get so pissed. And by the end of it, it's just the same thing over, especially on Beverly Hills, that by the end, I'm just screaming at the skies. You know, I'm like waving my fist at the skies.

33:21Ronnie Karam: Like, get off my lawn, all of you. Damn kids. Also, sometimes you just don't like vibe with someone. Like, it doesn't have to be that serious. Like, you just don't like them. I'm like, yeah, what are you going to do? Commercials. Here comes one right now.

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34:36Ronnie Karam: Speaking of, Amanda Francis responds after some ex-customers speak out against her, complain about feeling brainwashed in funding her lifestyle, with one woman claiming she spent six figures as Beverly Hills stars refutes claims of taking people's money. So we were wondering where all these customers were that were going to be complaining because, you know, they have to be out there. And someone said, let me see where this quote is. Someone said basically that Carly. Oh, no. Carly is someone sticking up for her. Carly, who first discovered Amanda years ago, went from fifth grade teacher to the owner of her own online hypnotherapy business, which she uses to make women rich through rewiring and regulation.

35:23Ben Mandelker: definitely not a pyramid scheme happening here definitely not so that's who's sticking up for definitely definitely not like oh okay so you're you're a grifter and i can make money if i just pass the grift along got it can i get someone to defend me who doesn't sell crystals or something

35:41Ronnie Karam: exactly can i not have an online hypnotherapy course teacher defend me jesus so um someone said after spending two thousand dollars on amanda's courses jenna said she found herself ten thousand dollars in debt well would you take it five times demi did you not take notes

36:02Ben Mandelker: is this your family members carly and jenna your sister carly your cousin jenna it's my sister and

36:08Ronnie Karam: my cousin that's why they're always asking me for shit no they're not um a 45 year old she said i funded her lifestyle for no reason a 45 year old california nurse named jessica was equally upset with the lack of results she attained. I was like, I can take this course and make a shit ton of money and achieve more of my vision board goals, like living in a bigger house or on the beach, she recalled. But after spending six figures on Amanda's courses in total, including 40 grand in credit card charges and 40 grand from her retirement savings, Jessica felt like she'd entered a black hole. Jessica, I'm teaching a class called This Is Your Own Fucking Fault, You Moron.

36:44Ronnie Karam: Thank you. That'll be fun. She would be better off going into a black hole.

36:48Ben Mandelker: I know. Here's a class called here's some other things six figures can buy you instead this is crazy oh my god yeah that's dumb but i'm not this dumb and i and i i feel i do it's like i feel bad for these people i don't feel that bad sorry i mean i'm like 85 year old women or something like the gen shaw victims yeah

37:15Ronnie Karam: right well that's kind of where i'm at i mean i feel bad too look there are vulnerable people who get suckered into things but you know you got to be responsible for your own damn self i can see doing it once one one one one class but like one class if you're down 80 80 grand like first of all where do you even have that money where is that coming from but like well I love that much money. Apparently, and of course I read this in Reddit, but apparently one of the teachings is like, you spend the money because you're telling yourself, if I spend money like I have money, then the universe is going to be like, oh my God, you're spending money like you have money.

37:56Ronnie Karam: I'm so dumb. You can't do that. I mean, Amanda really ate with that one. That's a great way to get people to keep buying your course. I know.

38:08Ben Mandelker: that's actually so funny that you're adjacent like you have to oh like you have to have millions oh millions it's like oh okay i don't know yeah yeah so um yeah so apparently it's like you have to

38:21Ronnie Karam: spend it so the universe is like dumb and it's like oh my god they must be rich because they're spending all that money let me send them more money i would be less annoyed if it was like

38:29Ben Mandelker: if the vibe of her class was almost like micah's aunt lives in london which is like carry yourself like a rich person carry yourself like you're someone who has immense privilege and you just walk in and you demand the table at the restaurant that you want because you should have it because you're a rich person and like how that energy like how people will cater to that energy like i would be like that's okay that's like a legit thing because i do feel like people react to energies like that but if it's like if you react like that and then you just get money i'm like

38:57Ronnie Karam: i don't know if that works out no like if you need to spend money to feel like you have money go to the dollar store you know i've done that or like i go to old navy and i'm like i'm going on a shopping spree you know i'll spend 300 and walk out there like with my i've done that before where i wanted like chicken tenders on a salad and i said to the clerk i was like money is no object i was like what could they possibly charge me

39:28Ronnie Karam: i love it i love it so shockingly amanda is kind of coming out on top here and it's so weird to see this turn in the last part of the season where people are like wait a minute you guys are being mean to amanda even me i'm like hey why is everybody bullying amanda in this reunion i don't like it they're making a tragic tragic mistake because any housewife worth her her her dollar knows that you don't make somebody else look like they're bullied that makes the fans love the bullied person so yeah they messed up on that one when amanda came

40:01Ben Mandelker: in this season i was like very much pro amanda because i was like no she's really annoying but she's annoying all the other cast members and that's fun for me so i was like all about it but then as the season went on i just was like no she's just kind of annoying and so i kind of like soured on her but then when talk uh when there's discussion about will amanda come back i was like well obviously she has to come back so i was like oh so maybe i'm actually warmed back up to her but and on that topic people were asking her like are you going to be coming back to the show and she responded with by the way she has a really annoying instagram handle which is xo amanda francis the exo like what we don't need that i do not want the hug and the kiss first yeah um but she goes why would i want to do that again so she's not coming back no well she'll never give up to come back this is like an infomercial for her business i mean why would she go away from it yeah yeah i do find amanda annoying but i enjoy her on the show i do agree like i do agree that bullying got to to be too much uh it's like it's way more enjoyable for me to see britney bullied than amanda because i do believe britney's like a bad mom at least like so you can like yeah yeah britney bayman yeah yeah um so it's like i do feel at some point it's like she doesn't even really fight back like in a real way like a dirty way amanda so it kind of gets sad i don't know i don't I do enjoy her on the show though.

41:33Cause I, I like annoying someone annoying like that on the show. It was interesting.

41:38Ronnie Karam: I mean, you did bring the only conflict other than the Dorit and Kyle constant. Yes. Like it's something. And I do like the women struggling to deal with her, like therapy speak. Like that's very funny to me. The generation gap is hilarious. It is embarrassing as a fellow millennial to see Amanda kind of display, like the most embarrassing cliche. like you guys don't put me a wimp in my own house but that stuff is so funny it was funny it was hard for me as a millennial to watch that be like oh please don't

42:12Ben Mandelker: she really is like like there's a ton of millennials on bravo but she is the one who's distilling all the caricatures and putting them into one person and like just everything she says where she's like after our fight like I was up until like 3am because I was having heart palpitations physiological things this really stole my

42:35Ronnie Karam: spiritual health you guys I was spiritually hurt and honestly

42:41Ben Mandelker: I still think the funniest moment and it's a tragic moment but it was the funniest moment the moment that like elicited the biggest unexpected reaction from me was when she said can we like not talk about it this is the day that that so-and-so died and kathy elton goes is that your dog right oh my god this is my exact sense of humor like like if you could just steal it that went right to commercial it went right to commercial and i was like is that your dog oh i was like it was one of the funniest things that happened all year that i feel like we really have not talked about enough because i think maybe because it's just like too close to a tragedy but like but it was that was a generous it's so it's so kathy too like uh to do something like that it

43:33Ronnie Karam: really is that facebook diet of the the ai diet that she saw of dr oz and over it was pretty good she does make me laugh oh pretty good ben when you should talk about the bows

43:47Ben Mandelker: that was everywhere I saw this going down on threads yeah yeah threads isn't it funny that threads suddenly became like a place to be after like two years of nothing yeah but um Bo's posted a video defending you know the CMO thing because on the reunion she was saying it's a position that has a short tenure and Andy's like does it? does it really? really? I didn't know that so uh she was like andy let me tell you something it actually is and look there's forbes wrote about it and all these different articles wrote about it it's a short tenure position in the c-suite so she basically defended herself and then she pivoted to note that uh not only is it short tenure because the cmo gets a lot of flack for things that go wrong in the business in the but like also that of the like of like the forbes 500 there's like only five black women who even hold the position of CMO.

44:46Ben Mandelker: So she was kind of like, the vibe was kind of like, how about instead of tearing me down, tearing us down, how about you just celebrate us instead? So I thought it was a pretty interesting video. What did you guys think about it? I actually saw a really great thread where someone who works in that world, the C-suite world, which I know absolutely nothing about, broke down why what Bose did is actually very impressive. And she said that the nine years at Pepsi is why she's in so much demand, because that's sort of the elite C-suite training ground to work at Pepsi. It's sort of the model for every other corporate business in that C-suite, I guess, area.

45:29And she broke it down like in a 24-part thread that I literally read every single tweet, even though I don't understand any of the lingo. That's like a full book to us now.

45:39Ronnie Karam: I read a 24. I'm diving in. And like, I was just going in and Bo's actually commented at the end. She's like, thank you. You said it way better than I ever could and have yet. Like she wasn't able to kind of articulate it as well as this woman, but this woman made it, made it seem like it is a really short. Like the four year average, like stay, I know there's longer, obviously in Bo's is where like two years in some cases or many of them. But she did make it seem like it's not really that unusual. And the fact that she keeps getting hired is indicative of that Pepsi background. Like people want her in.

46:15And she had really good.

46:17Ronnie Karam: She just posted. She just posted winning. Not Apple's music. Who was it? Like billboards woman of the year. Something that she won when she was an executive at Apple for beats and stuff. So she's had a lot of good stuff. I think, you know, I don't I don't know what Andy intended. I didn't think that he really was that bad. I just think he said, are there, you know, in his way. Right, right. The offense is like, you know, you go on and you're questioning a black woman's this and that. Honestly, I get that. You know, I get why that would be offensive. My thing was, well, but you've been questioning Amanda's thing this whole time.

46:57Ronnie Karam: That's why it was brought up. Because you were the one comparing your bit. You were the one who pulled up your chat GPT compared to her GPT in a car. you were the one reading yours like it was great and hers like it was bad which by the way is true hers is great amanda's a shit of course like we know that so but she's the one who kind of brought that in and that's why it was being discussed i mean it's been two years and i don't think anyone's questioned it i certainly haven't i was like that's pretty badass like when have we ever seen anything like that you know on this show so you know i'm also an ignoramus with c-suite stuff i don't know any of that shit yeah i was just like huh but i think it was brought into evidence because you got hired at a corporation that's hard yeah the concept of c suite has like entered

47:40Ben Mandelker: bravo everyone's like wait so we're not talking about skincare or a or an ml of all the businesses that the women of bravo have had this one honestly seems like one of the most legit ones that i've like never questioned i've been like what is it that she does like i just never because we're just like we don't even know good for you i almost want bows if she comes back next season which i hope she does i almost want her to lean more into like her experience as someone in corporate america because you have to know like she works in corporate america she's been with like some like she's just been in a different world and when she sees some of the people on her cast talking about business you know that she's like these people have no fucking idea what they're talking about and this is painful for me and i almost want her to just just be like you're an idiot shut up shut down your shut down your business this is a failure you know like i want her to like actually show her expertise well especially considering how close she is you read who has like the most insane businesses of almost anyone on the show like she constantly has something weird going like yeah yeah yeah i don't know i mean i think i think the audience in general

48:53Ronnie Karam: really respects Bose's career. I mean, it's pretty impressive. We haven't seen anything like that. So, you know, I think they just should not talk about career stuff because you start talking about, we're watching Housewives. You know what I mean? Like, I don't, it's too much for me. I'm too stupid for this. It's like, because then you're, think about how I feel. Okay, Bose, when you start talking about business, you make me talk about it in a recap. And then I look even dumber than I already am. So can we just, leave me alone, okay? we want jobs we can make fun of because we know yeah exactly yes absolutely yeah yeah exactly i

49:31Ben Mandelker: want to see like another toaster oven uh you know yeah as an as a potential thing that was killer

49:40Ronnie Karam: you know so albie in the comments is saying that andy has continued to argue with bows in comments and stuff, which I have to say, what did he say? Did you guys see it? I saw. He said, well, what do I know? He said, well, I just remember the what do I know? Because I heard it in Ben's voice doing Andy. That's how we hear him now. What do I know?

50:04Ben Mandelker: Does this comment have new boobs? Okay.

50:10Ronnie Karam: Tell me, how long do implants last in the C-suite? one thing i loved about this whole uh c-suite argument over the week in the fandom was just reading all these thousand comment threads of people like well i've been in a c-suite for 20 years and let me tell you and like everybody is suddenly a c-suite expert i was like there's no way that everybody in this thousand comment reddit thread is now a c-suite expert you guys stop with your comments i never even heard of c-suite until like eight months ago honestly i had no idea it

50:42Ben Mandelker: was called something well scissors from my desk wants to know are you allowed to have double d's in the c-suite yeah exactly oh my gosh well you guys this has been so fun and all beverly hills

50:58Ronnie Karam: you guys check out uh check out the hollywood crime scene podcast have you guys done um housewives episodes yes we have who have you done give us a list so people Erica Jane and then we just did a I think we did a mishmash that had a lot of Kim Richards uh Kyle but we want to do like a whole Richard sister I'm trying to get this book that's been out of print for a while yeah I think so yeah and it has like a lot of that that I want to get it's not House of Hilton has been out of print no it's not House of Hilton I think it's a different

51:36Ben Mandelker: one um that had a lot of the early years um with big kyle richards yeah uh so i want to get that yeah dive into that family we're like huge kim kim we love him she's one of my favorite we miss kim

51:51Ronnie Karam: um yeah i saw that she was at that fan event this weekend signing autographs and stuff so that was good did you see that i didn't see you know how she she did it on beverly hills where they would show are going to autograph signing events where they're like here's the star of you know chips or whatever it's the sun on chips yeah yeah oh she wasn't one of those looking looking fine so yeah so everybody check out hollywood crime scene podcast you guys have been an absolute joy thank

52:23Ben Mandelker: you for being here we'll talk to you later thanks for seeing you so the audio portion

52:31Ronnie Karam: of this is now done. If you guys want to hang out and chat with us on video, we'll be here for another 15 minutes or so. So come on. Everybody on audio though, thanks so much for being with us and we'll talk to you next time. Bye!

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