#3353 Summer House S10E14 Part 2: Freedom Fried

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2:47I don't get in my head ever because she's constantly reassuring me of where we're at, which I didn't realize was actually very important to me. Okay. That sounds extremely annoying because, you know, Sabrina's like, where are we? What are you thinking? How are you feeling right now? How are you feeling? Here's how I'm feeling. I'm totally. Yeah.

3:06Ben Mandelker: She's, of course, can be super sweet to you right now because, A, if she doesn't, you're going to get steely cold with her, which we already have seen. And second of all, she wants to be on this TV show. she's like just putting in my deposits putting in my deposits to like be a full-time cast member on summer house yeah he's saying well i haven't said i love you to her yet so i'll say that and then maybe i'll ask her to be my girlfriend at the same time you know it's a big moment i haven't said i love you in fucking 15 years oh that's something you get an award for for being emotionally inaccessible go see a therapist all right it's not that big of a deal to call yourself to get call yourself boyfriend girlfriend okay he's like like do you want all right is she your girlfriend i have to say i love you first no you don't you don't get out of here you fuck twat i can't stand this guy ben so this is the end of his storyline basically you know they're like give ben a monologue so he's like yeah i'd love to be free and easy look i'm in i can't even read this it's just he had a girlfriend in high school um he hadn't his dad he's saying his dad was very religious like born again here it is so he was, you know, like you don't have sex before marriage.

4:15And so his whole life, the dad was like, when you get older, there's going to be things and decisions you've got to make, which I won't agree with. But just so you know, I'll always love you. But then I had an indiscretion with a high school girlfriend and he didn't talk to me for years. So yeah, I don't use that word lightly. Well, he probably wouldn't have had a problem if you said I'm in love with, I'm in love with this person and committed to this person. It was the sex, not the saying I love you part.

4:39Ben Mandelker: you know what i mean yeah so so what ben is basically saying is that his dad withheld um love uh and his dad was really fucked up because of it and something he's had to deal with so he's going to rectify the uh the traumas of the past by withholding love as well got it okay like you're really good today you're really on the i'm really on one you're really on the psychotherapy beat today i love it but yeah he doesn't realize he's perpetuating the cycle come on now yeah um so but otherwise you know i do blame religion literally for everything including long lives long lines at mcdonald's i'm like i uh yes the answer is yes to that but this was actually interesting believe it or not i did find this interesting because now i had a greater context to why he is uh awful and now we see like he literally has this overbearing religious father and that's messed him up for sure yeah but i get that like okay well i'm not gonna say i love somebody because my daddy will get mad at me but you're still people left and right so what's the difference i don't know how's that punishing your dad it's only punishing the women you know i don't know this sounds like bullshit to me is what i'm saying yeah unless he was like well my dad is so religious and then it's forced me into being a virgin for all these years to please my dad but he's not he's just not saying i love you to people he's he's screwing over women instead of like by just using them for sex instead of saying i love you to please his dad who got mad at him for having sex so he now he's having i don't know it's not nothing with me but i don't really trust ben anyway.

6:21Ben Mandelker: So yeah, I just, there's some, I don't, I just don't trust this guy. I'm telling you. So, um, Jesse is like, well, listen, I was really excited for the potential of you and I being the single guys ripping it up. But if there's one person I'm happy to see to lose you to it's Sabrina. Also, you can tell her to stop texting me, uh, 20 text messages a day, uh, that I haven't responded. That should usually be a signal to pump the brakes, Sabrina, Sabrina, the teenage text her am i right oh mate oh mate that means a lot thanks brother and let me tell you she loves you too just so you know he's like yeah yeah i could i could feel it i can feel it it's terrifying it's terrifying i'm not gonna lie to you yeah tell her maybe i know the less likes on my instagram super weird like sometimes she'll like a post and then she'll unlike it and re-like it again like i I saw that you liked it.

7:16Ben Mandelker: Okay, so now we have the scene that I think we all cringed right through. And this is Mia and Amanda sitting in beach chairs. And Mia's asking how Amanda's weekend alone was. I mean, it was like, it was fabulous. It was the best weekend of my whole life. You know, I needed it. But you're like, how was it after Soft Bar, by the way? You guys ended up going for drinks, you know? And Mia's like, yeah. And so Amanda's like, what happened with that? it's like well first of all you're a because you left me you were supposed to come with me so i guess was was it implied that mia and amanda were supposed to go along to this double date thing with no but it was a double it was like the double day and then i guess people invited after like at the soft bar thing like added people on and amanda's like why didn't go because i just felt like so one wanted and we see flashback to three days ago where jesse being like are you gonna go to this thing it's like that's just so weird like i don't think i got an invite so yeah i wasn't sure really what was going on but she obviously did not attend something and uh man is like so it was like so it was the the double date was supposed to be ben and sabrina with ciara and west right yeah they were gonna go out after the soft bar and And then I guess other people were added on.

8:32And Amanda was like, well, I'm not going to go because I didn't get invited. And I think it was just everybody there was like, are we going to go to this thing? Come on, let's all go. And she was like, no, now it's a date because now she has it in her mind. Like, oh, now I'll be showing up on their date.

8:47Ben Mandelker: Yeah. So she's like, the last thing I would ever do is just like invite Sierra and Wes out on like an intimate date. They like just became friends. Mia's like, but yeah, I think it's too soon. you know she goes yeah because like even if they did get back together i don't know like i i just not they don't seem like they'd be i wouldn't be happy with that and just literally what would make me the happiest person in the whole entire world the whole the happiest would be like if they were good right she says something like that she's like well if they got back together i'd be happy about it but you know only if he's ready because he's not ready you know and And my thing is he needs to be fucking ready.

9:29You know, it's him, not her. And Mia's like, yeah, I mean, he needs to be all the way in. And he can't just, you know, fuck her again like that. She's like, yeah, I'm very wary of him. I'm sure you are. I'm sure you are very wary of him watching him going on these little double dates and watching him over there flirting with Sierra right now. I bet it's really boiling your bunny.

9:54Ben Mandelker: so Mia says that you know she says you know it's my concern that and like it's not Sierra at all it's like making sure that Wes doesn't find his way back in and then be like oh well I'm actually not ready to do anything too serious right now which is of course what we know would have happened anyway regardless of the scandal so Amanda is like yeah cause you know like Sierra is like very special she's a very special incredible person and you need to treat her differently than any other woman in the world. Until a man is capable of doing that, I don't trust anyone with her heart. It's like, oh, this is not aging well.

10:33The music they were playing during this was so funny too. It was like, oh, sucker. If the music could have had lyrics, it would have been like, sucker. Sucker. She's like, you know, I would die for that girl. And the way that I'd cut West off in one fucking second if she looked at me, Like, if she gave me one look, I'd be like, I'm going to attack, girl.

10:56Ben Mandelker: No. Cut it out. I just kept on hearing Annie Lennox. Why?

11:04Ben Mandelker: Like, why are you saying these things? Why are you saying these things? Oh, my God. They're not good. Meanwhile, it turns out if he gave you one look, you'd cut her the fuck off, which is what happened. That's exactly right. So now it's later. West is taking photos of Sierra. People are dancing and taking selfies. Ben gets in the water and Sierra goes to have the talk with Kyle. So she's like, well, we went to couples therapy this week. Yeah. And do you guys like feel like you're in a better state than you were? Well, yeah, she took the sheer. I mean, she went. So the sheer fact that she wanted all is like, I mean, we're in a way better place.

11:40You know, I think the real question is like, are we both going to put in the effort? She's like, yeah, look, well, we met up, obviously, like right after you guys had like couples therapy. and like, I don't know, sometimes like it sounds like it's, what was her demeanor? Well, like she was happy to go and like finally be able to say everything. But like at the same time, like we're talking about it and I feel like your frustration exists because like you guys have never like had a moment, you know, like you live on top of each other. You know, you used to work together. Your office is right there.

12:13And I'm like, look, would it be a crazy idea if you guys just like physically just like separated for a month and he's just stay silent like okay now you're gonna break up now amanda's gonna break up with me on tv through one of her friends which is basically what's happening because sierra's like okay you don't want to separate i'll get you separated on tv don't you

12:33Ben Mandelker: worry i'll do it i'll do it for you yeah i feel i feel like this was a bit of an overstep from sierra just a little bit like it's just it's a dicey thing or it's almost like i wouldn't tell both parties like tell one party and then let them handle it but don't tell both of them i don't know why i see why she's doing it because she did tell amanda and amanda was like well kyle will never go for it so she's like okay fine i'll talk to kyle but yeah this isn't your i mean i get it she's sick of it yeah she's sick of it she's been hearing of it and it's like so uncomfortable in this house it's like fuck it i'm just gonna tell them you guys gotta break up because by the way we all feel it right but it's like uh it's just a tricky it's a tricky thing to say to say i think it's tricky to say it to both parties i don't know why i almost feel like it's one thing to tell like your friend be like maybe you should propose this but like at that point you told your friend you like here's my advice and now it's like you've given this advice to your friend and they have to go and they have to go do it they have to propose it to their partner and i think doing it on both sides, you run the risk of just seeming like someone who wants them to break up.

13:39Yeah, giving your opinion, I think, is valid. I mean, I think that Amanda's basically been asking for this for years. And I think all the girls have been, you know, all the close friends to Amanda have been like, okay, you guys need, this is not okay anymore, you know? But Amanda's really been selling it this season. She's like, yeah, it's time for you guys to separate. It's time for you guys to separate. It's time to separate. And now she's like, okay, it's not working, so I'm going to go to Kyle. I'm going to go straight to Kyle. I was like, damn. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crappens commercial.

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I'm a divorce broker. yeah so see that's the thing actually whatever whatever the divorce maybe maybe this was more of the overstep saying she would be open to that maybe she her response should have been like it's not really my place to say this for you guys have that conversation but i just i i floated around because we're all in this fucking house watching you guys be miserable and it's ruining everyone's summer and you're the king of summer should be fun and you're ruining it for all of us so you guys fix this like maybe that's what the approach should have been but her saying yeah she'd be open to that maybe like it's so that's such a tricky thing with like a marriage i don't know i i wouldn't i wouldn't yeah just it wasn't the biggest like i just would have been like i don't know if i would have waited on that yeah and carl's like i'm kind of shocked i mean the fact that there's separation conversations happening within our friend group unbeknownst to me while we're trying our best to put our foot forward in therapy i mean it's disheartening like we're supposed to be putting it all out there with the therapist and now feels like there's an elephant in the room and i'm second guessing what we're even doing i mean come on and i mean i get that it's like okay so we've been going to therapy to be honest with each other but meanwhile this whole time she's been talking about leaving me and she's not telling me like what the hell yeah i mean on the other hand amanda has been threatening to leave him for like years so it's not like this should be that new to him um so he's like well when did you talk to her um when you walked the dog i mean look i she you said she's receptive i mean that's just scary she goes yeah it's not easy for me to say either like look let me just tell you this divorce is really hard on me look at kj over there look he can't even stay awake it's not harder on anybody than kj oh my god kj are you okay divorce is going to break cage he's like it's going to like him different spaces so i'm just a lover boy go back to bed kj why is he crawling into a refrigerator it's my comfy place so sierra's like look i just don't want you guys to be so fucking miserable like you don't deserve to be miserable you know it's like i just i don't know what exactly she wants if i'm being honest um and then cut to dara saying this bathing suit is riding up my anal cavity you know i'm darren so um now um sierra is pointing to ben they're just making jokes at each other she's like oh bailey's like you oh my god you look like someone from the adams family so now it's time to go and then when his hair is wet looks like george washington which is the gist of that which was funny um but yeah whenever whenever it comes to ben i start my eyes just kind of cloud over and i start skipping that the paragraph so sorry so carl's like oh we're gonna stay back guys you can you you guys can head back no worries uh but uh i'm gonna stay back here for a minute oh my god carl's nervous about dinner so back at the house uh everyone's arriving levi doesn't have a towel bailey's telling her that her vagina's out chefs arrive and lindsey's like hello chefs the kitchen's right in here i'm gonna go get ready real quick i'll let you do your thing and then uh it was just sort of funny because later on when lindsay comes back the chef was like hey you get cleaned up real nice i was like excuse me sir just stick to chopping asparagus this chef was something else he comes in like won't smile he's like whatever i love a surly chef so um now people are getting ready for dinner and uh amanda's like oh my god west your hair your hair is ridiculous you should wear your hair like that he's like you know well sierra told me that my hair sucked twice at dinner already so i'm injured so then ben's on the phone with sabrina he's like oh sabrina you were up she goes yeah i'm just in bed okay well i'm excited to see you tomorrow big old squeeze when you get here she's like me too i can't wait to get here can't wait at all she hangs up the phone it's just like i'm like hiding on the side of the house okay 12 more hours before i can go inside 12 more hours so Amanda goes by Kyle in their room and doesn't say anything and he's like oh hey hey hey Amanda hey Amanda I'm gonna put on some music is that okay and she just doesn't answer him he's like uh Amanda Amanda so now Lindsay goes down to the kitchen and that's when the chef is like oh you clean up nice um okay like quick turn around how you doing in here like how long have you been a chef for He's like 20 plus years.

22:18Ben Mandelker: Oh, holy cow. You've been poor that long? Yeah, and I've been cooking for 20 years. Wow. So did you always know that's what you wanted to do? He's like, yeah, it was either that or it was going to be a DJ or it was going to be an architect. Oh, that makes sense. You know, we have one of those. An architect? No. DJ? Yeah. Then Kyle walks in. He's like, hey, what's going on? Follow DJ slash architect. wow it's good to see somebody who took the turn i could have taken you know i chose right i'll say that loser loser um so uh lindsey's like yeah he was gonna be either a chef or a dj you chose the correct path because dj is not it carl's like whoa whoa wait lindsey's just on everybody's ass this whole episode i love it because she she's like i've missed half of the summer because i've been taking care of a baby so i'm cramming all my drama into these episodes that i get to be on she's just coming in and being an asshole to everybody so uh now people start coming in um to have dinner and levi's like carl what's the vibe going on with you and or oh she's talking to bailey and she's like what's going on with the vibe with you and carl she's like i don't know i don't even know if i'm flirting anymore oh jeez i mean i don't know like i've shown my interest i can't do anything more now let's just like light flirting i guess Carl and I have been flirty texting all summer.

23:43Look at this. I'll meet you on the corner of 32nd and 6th. Okay. We'll see you there. I mean, it's basically like a romance novel. And, you know, I'm just not sure if it's going to be more than texting. Like, maybe it's just flirty texting for the summer. I'm open to whatever it could become.

24:00Ben Mandelker: Here's a little tip from Uncle Ben to you. Learn some magic tricks. He's really into that. Oh, Lil. Flashback to Lil. Lil flashbacks. 10 lines and magic my favorite uh so now kyle is laying down with an eye mask on and uh amanda comes into the kitchen and amanda's like mother harbord do you need help oh my god look at chef frank big frank in the house so everybody comes in it's all smelling great so they're all wearing black wow and now they are gonna sit down and have some dinner well and but first though uh jesse is uh he spills he spills some like martini on his shirt and he's like hey bailey what happens if you spill some like martini on your shirt well hypothetically speaking nothing really happens uh because it's you know clear liquid you know but it smells terrible we gotta we gotta dry that off so she starts like wiping off his shirt and from this camera angle from behind looks like she's jerking him off she's like i can't even imagine what this looks like from a different angle like you don't have to imagine it we're seeing it so now kj and sierra are trying on their grills because their grills were delivered so they're trying them on and um they look they look cute i mean they've got jewels all over their teeth and stuff and so now they're ready to go down to dinner and um carl's like oh my god Bailey, you look great by the way it's probably your best outfit of the summer probably the best yeah, I mean I wish it showed off more of those tan lines but at the same time I love the modesty that you're showing oh really, so you like a more modest look than Carl, right?

25:44Ben Mandelker: yeah, I love modest tan lines oh my god, have you ever seen someone from 1736 with a tan line? oh yeah, right around their ankles it's so good well it's my least slutty and you're saying it's my best. So you like something more classic is what you're saying. Wait, wait, though. The soft bar, your white dress, that was good. That was really good. And we see her dress that she was wearing a flashback. And she's like, oh, you like that? But that was completely see-through. Oh, I know. I know. Yeah, when you walked past, I was like, you look great by the way. Put your modesty on me. But you can see my butt and you like that?

26:25Did it look good? Yeah, but I could see your thong, too. That's like the tan line of underwear.

26:33Ben Mandelker: Like, let me see your thong. Thong, thong, thong, thong. Okay, Carl, that's a bit too much. Well, that was intentional. You're supposed to see the thong. Oh, really? So does the dress come with a thong? No, it's... This doesn't work that way. This isn't like a stereo set. Yeah, it's for you to see it. Oh, for me to see it? Well, I mean, you as in everybody. Oh, it's for everybody to see. Okay. Now, when you're getting ready, are you, like, looking in the mirror at your ass? Are you like, oh, my God, I'm wearing a thong. Did this dress come with a thong? Carla, are we really still talking about this?

27:10Ben Mandelker: Do you understand how dresses work and underwear? Well, now a question. When you look at your ass in the mirror, how do you actually look at it? Do you, like, look over your left shoulder or your right shoulder? Just, like, walk me through the process. so now everybody sits down to eat and then they're loving the grills loving all the grills and then um amanda sits next to sierra and gives a strange look and is like kind of mimicking west when he walks away and lindsey's like um oh yeah everybody just stop it's time for a speech exactly one day uh one year ago i hosted a freedom dinner and i'm here to tell you i'm so free and we see a flashback to last year like i say carl thank you for setting me free so i can go and accomplish my dreams so carl's like well uh how did how do we let you do this again and so then west claps who clapped well tonight is called the lost supper so we're gonna play a little game like oh no not a fucking game come on like you're just being messy no we're gonna play a little game of lost and found so everyone's gonna go around the table and talk about something they lost recently and something they found so like carl lost me but then he found a bunch of thirsty girls in his dms so congratulations the way she will just take a swipe at carl out of left feels it's so funny to me it's just like you never know when it's gonna come and it just boom it just arrives and he's laughing you know i know people the people who do hate lindsey i mean think like why is she always fucking with carl i mean it's true but i think lindsey's like love language is fucking with people i think this is lindsey trying to be nice to carl believe it or not yeah it's like it is her weird love language if he laughs then then it's like safe so um lindsey goes well does he go in any direction he wanted to go in and so sierra's like well yeah it's going better than last year so far so they start off with uh lindsey says okay well i lost all my timelines but i found my dream girl like oh yeah because we all knew this was just going to be about a way to say like i have a baby and then bailey's turn is well i would say when i came in the house.

29:29Ben Mandelker: I clearly came in with a lot of baggage because last summer I lost a really bad dark relationship that I'm happy with left of the past, and I would say that this summer I found joy again. Oh, and a thong. Did that thong come with your joy, or did you buy it separately? I'm still a little confused. I also found my ability to walk into a Sweet Greens and order my own salad. Thank you. Thank you very much. That's great. But also, don't forget your storyline. You can flirt. Thank you, Levi. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I can make out now. I understand how to do that. If anyone wants to try it on me, I will help.

30:04Ben Mandelker: I will happily do it, Carl. Just take the first step. And the Sierra's like, oh, my God. Should you make out with Carl right now just for fun? They're like, oh, my God. Make out, everybody. Make out. Make out. Make out. Here we go. Oh, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. So they make out. And everyone's like, everyone's screaming, going crazy. They're like, was it a good kiss? Yeah, it's great. Freedom! Commercials. Here comes one right now.

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31:54I've been selling everything lately. Some chunky boots, a faux fur coat I never wore, and a vintage chair that was more of an expensive clothing rack.

32:02Ben Mandelker: You know, I actually bought these on eBay. Wait, are you kidding sell stuff from Brooklyn? Okay, quiet please. Find what you love, sell what you don't. eBay. Things people love.

32:16Okay, okay, well it's my turn. well no i'm just gonna say this to the audience i actually want to want to make out with her again because like it was really a good makeup you know when you plug your charger in the wall and you just nail it the first plug in it was like that wow i laughed at that i actually laughed at that what you should write porn i know you should write erotic stories falling into her was like getting

32:41Ben Mandelker: my charger in in the first try i do remember um i do remember one time in my old apartment like parking my car and like going to like the door into the building and like i took out my key and went boom fresh right into the keyhole right like not on first shot i was like wow and then i got to my door i was like boom it was like two in a row and i was like this is the best day ever i have never i just like like just exciting i just came oh it was just like that just like you gotta warn people before you tell these stories

33:19so west is like well um i guess that last summer i lost my voice um but this summer i think what i found was like kind of the ability to like um i don't know like speak up um and um also i found like a friendship and like a relationship that was clearly um lost for a long time and everyone's like oh my god wow wow and it like felt like a zillion um pounds off my shoulders because like the most important thing is that i make the people um and the audience not attack me on instagram so harshly so thank you yeah thank you yeah

34:01Ben Mandelker: and Sierra goes oh Wesley Conrad Wilson even just that speech I probably couldn't have done last summer look it's like really amazing and KJ's like wow and Sierra's like no you couldn't Wesley Conrad Wilson okay oh wow she's like really so happy and so then they ask KJ and he says how he lost his brother when he was a kid and that's always been tough and his brother was like 17 or 18 and so he never really had an older brother he's only had sort of like father figure types or older type of men in his life but he's never really had bros and so being able to have like the boys and they're like dynamic and feeling comfortable like do you understand what it's like to nap around your bros like that's just so special and i just like i just like feel really welcomed here so it's a cute moment with kj and it's like yeah everyone's like kj yeah the audience was like oh my god protect kj at all costs so sierra's like okay that was so pretty okay my turn so my huge weight off my shoulders that i lost was having to be mad at somebody that i'd love the most westling and you know um the the thing that i found were the bars yeah and then carl's like yeah welcome to the hamptons by the way because a lot of that also had to do with uh page leaving the show and you guys getting out of bed yeah that's true too but notably that she says i did i i no longer had to hate or dislike the person that i genuinely love the most which is cringy because he she's literally saying that to him and he is going to be like cool don't care gonna hurt you so then um yeah they're definitely on different pages here because i think she's thinking they're gonna they're kind of like inching back together everybody thinks they're inching back together yeah and she gets up and they like she kisses him on the cheek they have like a nice like hug moment it's like really nice and if we didn't know about the scandal we'd be like this is so great that this is going in this direction you know i wouldn't be absolutely not if this was i didn't know about the audience i would be like god damn it sierra stop it stop i would still be yelling at sierra i do think though that the audience at large would be like oh my god like this is like nice resolution like it feels like We're moving forward.

36:24Ben Mandelker: So now it's time for Kyle's. And Lindsey's like, Kyle lost his wedding ring, but he found a DJ career. Okay, cool. So then it's like, Jesse goes, hey, by the way, Kyle, hey, can I ask you a question? I know you mentioned you got a new manager. I was just curious what the plan is with the DJing and the music stuff. Hope this doesn't kick off some sort of volatile fight. Okay, here you go. Oh my God. Lindsey saying that was so cold. and everyone else just went oh god lindsey like everybody cringed at that but she's like she's just cracking up she just has this huge smile on her face she's like nailed it so um jesse asked that question like what are you going to do what's your plan with the djing stuff and amanda goes oh he's going to vegas yeah and they're like what and then he gets really serious and you know i get like we've he's they've been talking about this the whole season and I've also been yelling at Kyle the whole season.

37:22I get it. And I don't take any of that back. You should still not be telling your wife to fuck off after leaving six months, et cetera. You guys don't need me to repeat myself for the nine millionth time. But it's like, he's about to do, he's been working hard at something. We might not respect what it is, but he's been working hard at something for a long time and is about to like enter a new kind of plateau, like, not plateau, but like a new stage, a new level. you know what i mean yeah and he doesn't even get to announce it himself amanda does it in a snarky way and then they all treat it like fuck this i feel like if it was anybody else who was like you guys i've been working at this thing for like years and now i'm finally going to get a manager who's going to get me like a residency in vegas everybody will yeah it's just like oh it was like

38:08Ben Mandelker: it was weird watching this whole thing play out because i really despite all the shit that we about despite despite the scandal that's happening despite amanda being a drip amanda does not deserve to be does not deserve to have anyone especially her husband look at her and say fuck you a second time this summer let alone the first time and now he doesn't have the excuse of being wasted he just looks at him says fuck you in this argument i think that's totally unacceptable totally totally unacceptable and i do think that kyle like has contributed to the decay of this marriage hugely by not being present by traveling and like she's expressed exactly what she needs out of this relationship and he instead has gone out and continued to party yada yada yada but i did feel like weirdly sympathetic towards him during this despite the the terrible things that also happened that he did because i feel like what he was trying to say and i was i was hoping that he would actually say it was like i'm trying i got a manager i'm treating this like a career so that way I can be more selective so I can spend more time with Amanda rather than doing all these little gigs, I can do some big gigs and make a bunch of money off of it and have more time and get that work-life balance.

39:22Ben Mandelker: And it seemed like he was trying to say it and I don't want to put words in Kyle's mouth and I don't want to, you know, try to give him some sort of like sympathetic, sympathetic hypothetical of what he was saying. But when he kept on saying like, I'm trying to do something that's, I can be more selective with what I'm doing. I'm like, bro, just say you're trying to improve your work-life balance so you could spend more time with your wife. But he kept on saying it in this way that I was like, oh, you're not doing yourself any favors right now. Well, he said, I'm signing up with a manager that represents some big acts, and I'm going to be a little more selective than I was in terms of where I put my energy, and I'm going to treat it like a career, not a hobby.

39:57And next week, I'm going to Vegas to play Marquis, but it's not just Vegas. I would be selectively choosing where I go now. So is it residency? And he's like, well, we're working on that for 2026. And he's like, okay, well, that's great money. then right and then kyle and amanda are just staring at each other like she's giving a like wide-eyed eyes poking out of her head stare off like kind of smirking at him and lindsey says okay well i have a question did you even ask amanda before you made this decision or did you

40:24Ben Mandelker: make the decision on your own and kyle's like no this is something she's been she's known i've been working on but did you have a conversation as a partner with your wife before you decided he's like, well, I haven't signed it yet. So the answer is no, Kyle, you did not have a conversation with your wife, which is not good either. God, this marriage is so decrepit and so flimsy. It's terrible. Like it just, they are just so terrible to each other. Well, we saw them have the conversation about it. So he did tell her about it. He did have the conversation with her on camera in their apartment when he was like, I'm talking to this manager.

41:04And she's like, why i didn't marry you so he did talk to her about it she just doesn't like it and doesn't support it

41:09Ben Mandelker: and he's going to do it anyway so but it was more like he announced what he was doing he it wasn't like a hey this is something i would like to pursue it's more like i'm doing this well that's true but i mean she let her she her feelings were her feelings are known on the subject right she was not into it and he's gonna do it anyway and that's it you know she wasn't i wouldn't want to be married to that right i wouldn't want to be married to that but they have had the conversation and it didn't go well. Yikes. So Cryo's like, well, you know, we're going to have the conversation maybe one-on-one tomorrow, and everybody just starts laughing at him, and Sierra's like, okay, so...

41:46Ben Mandelker: Did you not see the rundown? Like, tomorrow afternoon, we sit on two Adirondack chairs, and we talk about this, bro. You're fast-forwarding our shooting schedule here. Okay, so you're taking on another business venture? That's going to take over everything. He's like, well, I've been traveling and promoting Loverboy, since everything opened up from the pandemic. But this brings me joy and happiness, and it pays the bills, and I think I'm good at it. So he's saying, I've always been traveling this much, and Amanda only has a problem with it now because it has to do with DJing, you know? But it's not really, I mean, she had a problem when it was all Loverboy, too, because that was her last complaint last year, was that you're traveling all the time for Loverboy.

42:27So, and it's the same thing. You're giving yourself an excuse to go be drunk in bars with fans instead of being at home, you know? Right.

42:35Ben Mandelker: So Lindsay's like, well, where I get confused is how Carl can have so many people in his DMs when he's such a pussy, sorry. Also, where I also get confused is you guys are like married and you guys have a partnership and you're supposed to be aligned in that partnership about what your future goals are together as a family, as a unit, and as a team. Yeah. And it just feels like as an outsider. Is it, well, no, the DJ, the DJs that I aspire to, that I look up to are married with kids and their wives support them like yeah but kyle are you checking in with those djs or trying to find out like hey how do you do it how do you manage it all no you're not well they're much more famous and they make a lot of money you know doing what they do so they can go do a couple of gigs and then come back with a ton of money it's probably how so lindsay's like yeah but they were already djs before they were married with kids kyle so amanda's like she gets that look um and And so Lindsay's like, look, which is funny, by the way, because we're seeing other people fight Amanda's fights and we saw other people fighting West fights.

43:34Ben Mandelker: So this is sort of how they operate, which is no wonder that they found each other. So Lindsay is like, well, like you just had this career without taking your wife, talking to your wife about it. And now you're continuing to progress it. He's like, I just don't understand why my love for playing music for people has been the butt of every fucking joke this summer. Because it's funny. It's funny. because you're like like you just you you you're like a 43 year old guy who gave up his corporate job to be a dj that's inherently funny whether or not you're good at it whether or not you're successful has nothing to do with the fact that it is funny yeah he's like i just don't yeah i don't get it and he's like slamming the table it's like it's not a joke my whole point is that when you're in a partnership and you're supposed to talk and amanda goes we're supposed to be a team yeah and have a family together and this is why amanda at the fucking reunion was like i want to have a family with somebody who wants to have a family and we see a flashback of that and she's lindsey's like you're not showing those traits and you know you're just showing that you want to go have a residency in vegas and that djing is more important than having a family and so i get where she's coming from and he's like that's not true she's not ready to have a kid and you can't you can blame me all you want she's like no and i have talked to her about it blast me all you want you know i did not push back at the reunion when she said that because that and that hurt because you are not ready and you know that okay okay and she also said that to me he's like well do not blame this on me well i'm not pulling it putting it on you i never have and amanda's like well forget about the kids remove the kids and the family from it all oh well god forbid i do something that i enjoy kyle kyle well the last seven years of my life i've worked my ass off with no joy and i'll have some joy yeah but this is your family right here and you're you're not making decisions together is my point he's like i'm under attack this is how i feel not so long but by the way also kyle's like constant refrain is like i never get to have any fun when it's like 10 years of him getting wasted on this tv show flopping around you know stumbling around the house late at night like you were having you you kyle you get to have your fun because i think like here's my honest opinion and this is this opinion has remained consistent he has the absolute right to do that.

45:48If he wants to party every night and he wants to be a DJ, there's nothing wrong with that. I mean, sure, we're going to make fun of it. I agree. But he should be able to do that. He just needs to be with somebody who also wants to do that. And he's just not with somebody who's, they're just not compatible. You know, Amanda needs someone who wants to get stoned and watch TV. She needs like a Ronnie, you know, she needs a me. And, you know, he needs, I don't know, I don't know what he needs, but some crazy ass who wants to go out every night and get shit-faced.

46:17Ben Mandelker: They're out there. Yeah, I agree. And that's the thing is that everyone's trying to fit a square peg into a circular hole. Square peg into a circular hole. And none of this advice really is going to ultimately work. Because it's just not a relationship that ever had longevity attached to it. It just sort of had inertia, and that's it. so now Kyle but now Kyle is he's like I feel under attack this is how I felt this is how I felt all summer long and I was like I had such mixed emotions watching this because on the one hand this is where I felt sympathetic that's like this is a private thing between me and Amanda and we're just like hanging on by a thread we're trying to work on this through therapy and now this is you're like confronting me about this and there's like things going on in our relationship that I'm like trying to protect the world from da da da da da I don't feel like talking about it right now this is supposed to be a light fun dinner and now you're like you're like you're coming at me so hard but at the same time i also feel like kyla's kind of fragile and like the moment that he does have a mirror put up to him because some of the stuff that lindsey's saying is true too like these are decisions you should be making with everything she's saying is true yeah i think everything so like he's like stop being so fragile and just like listen and just you know so it's like i i understand his frustration i i also feel like it's like when he has faced this He does have a pattern of when he is faced with hard truths, he flips out and says, I just want to have fun.

47:42Ben Mandelker: I just want to be me. And it's like, bro, just chill out. I think that's true. But on the other hand, first of all, everything that they're saying is true. Yes, all this is correct information to be telling a husband about his wife. But on the other hand, from how he's looking at it, it's like, okay, so I get told off at the beginning of the summer. I sign us up for therapy. I start going to therapy. I'm trying to be nice to Amanda every weekend. And she's still being a cold asshole to me. She goes to therapy with me. But then I find out she's talking to somebody else about leaving me that she's not bringing up into therapy.

48:15And now I find out that she's talking to fucking Lindsay, who she hates, about me. And so from how he's seeing it, he's seeing Amanda go from person to person to bitch about Kyle. And he's getting all of the cast to kind of come after Kyle. And meanwhile, Amanda's getting away with doing nothing in their marriage and then just sitting there smirking while everybody tells him off. which is what she's doing. I mean, she's sitting there giving this little wide-eyed smile while everybody's telling him off. She's loving it. So I think from his end, he's like, well, fuck this. Now Amanda's playing everybody against me and you all are sitting here acting like she's the ultimate victim when what the hell does she do?

48:53And so he goes off in this. So he starts losing his mind now. And he's like, don't gang up on me. And they're like, we're not ganging up. And Ben's like, guys, if there's a manager, the manager's job is trying to make sure he does good jobs less often. And what he's saying is he's been running around the country all the time, taking whatever he can to build a career, you know. And Kyle just looks at a man and goes, fuck you. And she's like, Kyle, what? It's like, Kyle, you know, and this is when I'm like, see, I can't even stand up for you in my mind. Yeah. Because then you turn around and you do something like that.

49:30Ben Mandelker: Yeah, exactly. And I'm so glad you brought up the point about like how he's also reacting to the stuff that he just learned from Sierra earlier the day. Cause he was really feeling like, Oh, here I thought we were making progress. And actually Amanda's going around telling, like complaining about me. And now it's getting to the point where she's like thinking about moving out and he's just like feeling really frustrated by that. So like, I really, I really felt that. And I understood that, but then he does this and you're like, but bro, like you also need to be able to like listen and hear things.

49:57Ben Mandelker: And like, that is something that we've witnessed time and time and time again. When Amanda last year or two years ago was like, I just want to have like, I want to start my own little business. He's like, but why? And then, and then he, of all the people that the, what came out of that conversation of Amanda saying that she wants to start a business was him actually starting a DJ career. He actually used that conversation to start a new career while also simultaneously keeping her down. And so it's like, it's actually so interesting because it's like, you're constantly like, I have sympathy for what he's going through.

50:23Ben Mandelker: and then i'm also reminded of like the ways that he's contributed and been awful to the situation and i'm like i don't know what to do with this but right now the moment when he says you to her i'm like you're gonna now you've lost you've lost the argument because yeah you just can't do that yeah he's such a baby oh my god and i think that's why he's saying you to her because he's like okay so now you've turned everybody you've gone to every single person in this house and now they're all coming at me after dinner like congratulations you know but even if you feel that way saying fuck you to your wife i mean what is wrong with you you're never gonna you're never gonna win like this kyle you idiot so um amanda's like you're blanking out kyle and he's like i don't even know what this is about and lindsey's like the fuck yous are not okay kyle and then west pulls up his chair and he sits right behind amanda like the bodyguard like this is not okay you know and i've said this summer don't say that he says that's the one thing i've stood up for this summer as he's like proud he's like i've been a pussy about everything but this but then west pulling that chair over and then sitting like behind amanda like like don't talk to my lady i was like okay this is this something is going on here that is that body language like he did west does not do that ever ever ever ever look i had to burp i was so so so stressed burp so amanda's like i'm not even chiming into the conversation, Kyle.

51:50Lindsay's saying, it's not her, it's me. Jeez, she hasn't even said anything to me, which isn't true. And Kyle's like, alright guys, you know what, then stop making fucking mounds out of models. Like, this is ridiculous. Okay?

52:02Ben Mandelker: And then Wes goes, talk to Lindsay. Don't look at Amanda. You're fine. And I'm like, what is going on with Wes? This is... If they were not already banging at this point, because I used to not really think anything was happening, but now I'm starting to feel like at this point Maybe something was happening. But if they weren't, then the emotional affair has definitely started at this point. So Lindsay is like, oh, my God, I'm just saying. And he's like, yeah, well, you know, she says, I'm just saying in a partnership. And he goes, well, we don't have one. If you haven't caught the drift, we don't have a partnership.

52:31And then Amanda's like, OK, this is not a table conversation. OK, now it's not. You've been fine with it the rest of the summer. And he's like, no, in a partner. Now that it's turning to her. Right. So he's like, not in a partnership. We pull weight. Amanda pulls no weight and I'm fucking losing my mind. I'll smack tables all the fuck I want. You have no fucking idea You don't know what I deal with

52:54Ben Mandelker: And carl stands up. He's like, oh, chill out chill the fuck out chill the fuck out chill the fuck out He's like no fuck you man. So kyle gets up And then cut and then cut and then uh Kyle gets up and then west gets up and carl gets up Go the hole chill the fuck out chill the fuck out. Okay, like don't scream in front of in front of like all these people don't do it it's not right fuck you fuck you stop stop stop she's wearing a thong don't do it in front of her thong so he leaves the house Kyle like storms out of the house and Carl just keeps following him he's like stop and he goes oh yeah fuck fuck you Carl and he's like fuck me oh yeah fuck me then fuck you you fucking loser Carl leaves his shit it's like Carl leaves his shit Carl started losing I started laughing so hard because this is so Carl and they showed the clip of it earlier this season when Kyle and Carl were both coming at Luke at the batting cages and Carl's like, Oh yeah, hold me back.

53:53Hold me back. I'm going to get him boys.

53:55Ben Mandelker: Hold me back. Carl only gets like really big in a fight when someone's holding him back. Then he knows he's being held back. So he's like, Oh, you're going to throw something. Oh, come on. And Kyle like throws a lover boy at the door or something like that um it's so funny because they really were making it seem like this fight was going to be about the investing in soft bar so i was just like waiting for that to like come to a head but actually it turns out it was kyle losing his mind and them trying to calm him down and that's all it was and then carl losing his mind because he sees his chance to have a fit now that he's been trying to have all summer that he hasn't been able to have so he's just gonna have it now oh lord let's just see what happens next week wow exciting times.

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