#3383 In the City S1E2 : Groan Central Station

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1:28Ben Mandelker: name is Ben Mandelker and joining me as always is the lovely and hilarious Ronnie Karam. Hi, Ronnie. How's it going? Hi, what's up? How are you? Oh, I'm just doing fabulous. Just fabulous. And next week we have our cabaret in New York city. Tickets are sold out, but you can stream them. You can buy streaming tickets by going to our website, watchforcrapins.com or going, there's also a link in bio on our social media. The tickets for the streaming are on sale right up to showtime, right up to curtain. And then after that, you can't buy the tickets anymore, but you can watch the replay for a week.

2:06Ben Mandelker: So make sure you get your streaming tickets before it's too late. Otherwise you'll just have to wait for, I don't know. Who knows when, but, uh, for right now, go check that out. Join us on Patreon. We were equipping up a storm about the summer house reunion. If you want, if you missed those clips, you want to hear what we have to say. Go check that out. Patreon.com slash watch what happens. Get access to the video, etc, etc. And that's let's just dive into in the city. I don't even want to wait anymore. Let's get right into it.

2:35Ronnie Karam: In the city. Here we go, everybody. I love this show for bringing back my little Trixie monocle. We've got a lot of. Yeah, yeah. We're out. We're out. It's cold in the street and we're here in the street because we're girls. Girls. are you noticing all the Trixie music

2:55Ben Mandelker: yeah everywhere lots of Trixie music I also noticed that this episode opens up in a way that like next gen New York City does which is basically Bravo trying to explain wacky New York City to the rest of the country it's like look at this there's people on the sidewalk and there's a lady on a bench saying New York is a hustle baby all you do is hustle in the city I was like oh my god I had no idea that that was a feature of New York City

3:18Ronnie Karam: that was an odd way I guess are we going to do that now at the beginning of the episodes where we just have someone being like, New York is nuts. There's trains under the ground here. I know.

3:28Ben Mandelker: Bravo's just trying to win back Goodwill for New York after they botched the Roni reboot. They're like, no, guys, for real, we can put out good content in the city. And truthfully, they can, and they are, with this show and Next Gen New York City, which is coming back very soon. So we see some dogs fighting, and we see New York City, and we wind up in Georgina's med spa, and she's there with Lindsay and Andrea, and Andrea is getting Botox because I heard that there's something called the Angry Lexis and I'm like, what? Lexi is so sweet. She's an angel. How could you say that she's angry? No, it's Angry Eleven, not Angry Lexis.

4:02Ben Mandelker: Oh, okay, I see. But why is it called Eleven's?

4:06Ronnie Karam: I thought they were too tiny. I thought they were too lowercase l's. Why am I here? I'm here to get two Lexis. Go, pay for this.

4:16Ben Mandelker: Oh, we call these the two spaghetti strands. Okay, well, whatever you call them. Get your Botox.

4:23Ronnie Karam: She's like, look right here. Do you see how it makes an 11 on your face? He's like, oh, I see lots of 11s.

4:32Ben Mandelker: So then we go over to the financial district, Fat Eye, and we're at Loverboy headquarters. And Kyle is trying on a Loverboy mock neck. And his team's like, oh, my God, Kyle, it makes you look so elevated. You look great. You look great, by the way. This is a man who has a mock neck. The answer is no. A man can, but I'm just saying this is not, this is not. This isn't the case of that happening. So he's like, I think there's still some time to get some input from Amanda. Does anyone want to talk to our creative director available to talk? And they're like, Kyle, stop pretending like she actually does any work around here.

5:10Ronnie Karam: I know, right? He's like, yeah, we're going to get Amanda's input, right? Are we still doing that? So they go to next door to Kyle's and Amanda's apartment, Leverboy headquarters. And she's in the closet packing because she's getting the fuck out of there. Of course, notice that she's not cleaning up her fucking mess. She's leaving that place looking like a hoarder lived there. But she's going to take the shit she needs out. Excuse me. You need to either clean this house or you be the one to stay here while I go stay in a hotel. While staying in this shit heap.

5:43Ben Mandelker: I know that Kyle was so happy to get rid of all of that stuff. Didn't he put out a video this week about, like, this is my place I was like before with Amanda. Now that's what it looks like with me. He did? Oh. I think he did. I feel like I saw something like that.

5:55Ronnie Karam: And Wes should put one out that's like, here's my apartment before Amanda, and here's my apartment with Amanda. It's just more of a shit heap than it was before. I know.

6:06Ben Mandelker: So he's like, well, this has to be the most organized closet in the house, Amanda. she's like, um, I'm organized. It's just the stuff that I don't know where to put. I just like don't know where to put it. And then I cut to like this giant pile of like just clothing or whatever. So she says that she feels lighter. She feels better about the decision to leave Kyle and, you know, she feels like this is what would be neat. This is how they could maybe potentially save this relationship. Except for the fact that you're also probably, you know, having sex with Wes on the side. Bingham, one of his best friends.

6:38Ronnie Karam: yeah so he's like are you gonna have enough stuff and we need a van or something it's like i don't know maybe we could pack up your car i mean it's not gonna be too much it's just like a month-long

6:49Ben Mandelker: vacation so are you gonna like surprise me like you're gonna like keep your key and they're just like popping and be like i mean how's that work like can i have someone over here can i have a girl can i get that guy's like someone else she's like yeah basically it's like so how much privacy

7:04Ronnie Karam: do I have? How much of a break is this exactly?

7:08Ben Mandelker: She's like, no, I'm going to show up at like 4 a.m. and wake you up like you do to me all the time. I was like, well, the dig. You see, it's like, oh, you never know when they're going to come with Amanda.

7:20Ronnie Karam: It's like, what? You don't want me here? I mean, I feel like you're more excited for me to leave than I am. Listen, nobody's more excited for you to leave than me.

7:28Ben Mandelker: Like, wouldn't you be excited if like the mold remediator came over? Like, yeah. Yeah.

7:36Ronnie Karam: So he's like, that's like the opposite of how I think this has felt. You're the one who wants to leave. It's like, okay, well, we're trying to figure it out, like spend time apart, but then we'll be courting each other and dating again. And he's like, yeah, something drastic needed to happen. I don't think we knew that, but therapy wasn't helping. So you guys already quit therapy? What? You guys suck. Come on, man. You can't just go two times. That's not how therapy works.

8:03Ben Mandelker: I think there was a side of me that felt like we could have kept on continuing and playing this like a broken record. So I give you guys, I give you props for confronting this like head on. And yeah, he is actually excited. By the way, she was, she was not wrong. He is so excited that he is leaving and he is like trying to act like he's sad. Let's like not act, let's not make Kyle a total hero here. He is so excited. He said, I applaud you for confronting this, which is my way of saying that you should really see this through. So like it take as much time. If you need more than a month, do it.

8:30Ben Mandelker: Like it's fine. And I look like the good guy because you're leaving me. And get out of here. Bye. Yeah.

8:36Ronnie Karam: So she keeps past. She's like, well, I guess I better take my sneakers in case I need to run away. And he's like, run away from your problem. She's like, from you, Kyle. You're already doing that, Amanda. Just fucking go. God. He's like, wow, harsh. I'm just sad, Kyle. Sad, sad, Kyle.

8:53Ben Mandelker: So now we go to Rocco's Sports and Recreation. I wonder if it's owned by Rocco Dispirito. And Lindsey's there with Gavin. and Gavin is like the nightlife guy. He owns that place, the Garrett, Edna Garrett. And Lindsay's like, oh my God, I can't believe how busy this place is. Like, wow, that's amazing. And Gavin tells us, I wanted to be in the hospitality business before I even knew it was a business. What I'm trying to say is, I knew I could be douchey all the way when I was 14. And I remember having a party in high school and a neighbor came over the next day and he alerted me that he was going to tell my parents, but then he was like, well, I'm not going to lie.

9:27Ben Mandelker: You do a great party. And I was like, thanks, Carl. So anyway, yeah.

9:33Ronnie Karam: Then he started calling all of the seats soft bar green. It was really weird. There's just green. And Lizzie's like, yeah, one of my friends was asking me if we ever hooked up before. I mean, isn't that crazy? And he's like, wow. And he kind of comes in to high five her, but she thinks he's trying to kiss her. And she's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. It's happening.

9:56Ben Mandelker: Well, no, he does kiss her. He kisses her on the side of the cheek, but he comes in like he grabs her head, but then kisses her on the side. But he grabs her head in a way of like, baby, let's finally make this happen.

10:06Ronnie Karam: And so she's like, oh, I was like, oh, my God, it's happening. So she says they've known each other through Kyle for a lot of years and she likes him because he's fun and flirty and messy. She's like, this is fine. I like the short games.

10:21Ben Mandelker: Well, she did have Stravi. Let's not forget. And so Gavin's like, I'm just making you laugh. And I love that you get messy. He's like, I do. Like, we're giggling. And then when we're talking about Kenny, like, that was so funny. And I was like, Gavin, yes. He's like, yeah. Just call me Shooter McGavin. That's what they call me. And we see how last week, Lindsay had this interaction with Kenny, where she was basically saying to Whitney, like, hey, if you're moving across the country without even a commitment, that's a big deal. And like, Kenny, you should know that. And then Gavin's like, guys, this is now a panel.

10:55Ben Mandelker: This is a panel.

10:56Ronnie Karam: and kenny did not like that yeah it's like i mean what's his deal because like i don't really know them like kenny or whitney but like he was like kind of treating me like i'm some sort of manny at her just because i was taking his girlfriend's like perspective and so we see the whole thing where she's like wait this girl moved across the country for you that's pretty serious and him being like um i'm getting i hate men vibes he's so fragile because by the way there was no

11:22Ben Mandelker: oh, I hate men vibes from that whatsoever. And literally, Lindsay loves men. Like, I don't know, like, where, like, it is so this kind of guy, a VC guy to, like, a fragile VC guy to, like, basically pull that conclusion out of that. And he, by the way, by him doing that, he is the one who gives credence to the people who are man haters, right?

11:48Ronnie Karam: Well, he's just like a typical juicy guy who's so fragile. It's like, oh no, a woman spoke to me. Oh no, I'm getting a hate men vibe. Wow.

11:59Ben Mandelker: Wow, geez. I can't even say anything anymore.

12:02Ronnie Karam: So Gavin's like, well, he probably knows what you're saying is true and he wants to discredit you. And she's like, um, you think I struck a nerve? And he's like, well, he's my best friend, but he can dish it out, but he really can't take it. So then we go to Kenny and Whitney on the streets together and she's like, I can't believe my stuff's gonna be here this week already. Isn't that crazy? because like i sent it last week but then like it's coming this week it's like nuts how mail works

12:28Ben Mandelker: he's like i know it's like we really need to figure out where everything is gonna go mister and then we see like a flashback which means we get that subway car transition that they built for which is so funny that they're like really committing to that which is like we're seeing the flashback as if we're seeing it through the window of a subway car and then the subway car like zooms I'm like who built that ridiculous effect and they're gonna use it all season so but I do sort of love it it's so it's just like how it slowly disappears out to the corners of the screen it is so silly so we see them uh in his apartment and she's like Kenny I have like 30 boxes coming in from Minnesota and he's like oh my god 30 boxes yeah because I don't really repeat outfits so So we're going to need a room for every outfit that I have.

13:17Ronnie Karam: I'm not an outfit repeater. He's like, I mean, listen, I'm down to let you do your thing in the second bedroom. But I still want to have a guest room. I mean, what if your sister comes to town to DJ? Or Gavin, he stayed in that room. And she's like, yeah, well, we kicked Gavin out, remember? He can't just walk in whenever he wants. And he's like, well, Gavin's always had a code to my apartment. He's my bro. He just shows up. you know like it's like he lives there but he doesn't but like that's changed pair of boobies

13:47Ben Mandelker: walked in the code changed crazy we used to have a perfect friend sitcom situation people just walk in the front door which is unlike any other real life apartment but it was actually a real thing for me and now lamey mc minnesota face here ruined everything so thanks a lot whitney

14:03Ronnie Karam: typical woman she comes in immediately gets a vote

14:08Ben Mandelker: all of a sudden she wants space in the place that she's moving in on god i don't understand

14:12Ronnie Karam: these women they're crazy demands so he's like how's your adjustment to the city which is very very natural kenny very natural very natural reality tv talk you live together kenny remember and she's like well it's been really nice but like i'm missing my girls you know because like it's weird like trying to make new friends like at this stage of life you know like i did i did go get that pedicure with that girl named Danielle. So I guess that was something

14:40Ben Mandelker: kind of weird.

14:42Ronnie Karam: She kept talking about an app and like she kept pulling out of her lap, she kept pulling out her laptop and stuff and then saying pie chart over and over again.

14:50Ben Mandelker: And we see Whitney tolerating, barely tolerating this pedicure scene that she had to shoot with Danielle where Danielle, they're sitting there and Danielle's like, oh man, finally, Kenny, like this woman is amazing because like this is cool. And Whitney's like, oh, so you've known him for a while or so he's like yeah through gavin yeah oh my god i can't believe we're having paddock yours isn't this the best and when he is like why did why did they get why did they give me the junior lawyer in

15:16Ronnie Karam: the firm i want to partner it's like i really wanted to be on tv again but not this bad like

15:23Ben Mandelker: i've been on the bachelor so like why are they giving me like the the jv level reality star of

15:29Ronnie Karam: this show right now so she's like yeah i was like really nice with that girl but then like i learned some things about her relationship i didn't realize i mean i thought her and owen had been together a really long time right but they only started dating in april and he's been in the process of a divorce you know and that can linger and she was saying like it was amicable amicable and then cuts to danielle she's like but then she found out about me and like i think like she's not been as friendly you know so kenny's like um so like when did the relationship

16:01Ben Mandelker: to bend and did the next door neighbor come over whenever he wanted like a great sitcom she's like um well i can't really remember exactly but she did tell me that um he had been kind of checked out of that relationship for a while and kenny's like sounds like overlap stupid women uh so then

16:21Ronnie Karam: we go back to lindsey and gavin gossiping and gavin's like so what do you think about danielle's boyfriend are you gonna get to know him and she's like um that's kind of weird because i don't even want to know her so it's like weird if i get to know him if i don't get to know her like i don't want to know her fuck her isn't that the guy wearing an ascot in like the opening pictures of this show fuck i i cannot take this elwin guy seriously when he shows up in his press photos wearing an ascot i'm sorry it killed it for me so then lindsey then all of a sudden time for a

16:53Ben Mandelker: special cameo everyone it's robert danielle's ex he's like hello didn't realize there was a vip he in the house? And she's like, oh my god, it's Dave from Garfield. So nice to see you. He's like, great to see you too. And he is the head chef at Rocco's and Gavin's like, wow, you didn't know that Robert worked here? That's crazy. And so Gavin's like, okay, Lindsay, whose side are you on? Robert or Danielle's? I mean, this guy really is messy. Wow.

17:24Ronnie Karam: Yeah, he really is. And she's like, um, I don't really talk to Danielle anymore. And it was like, yeah, history. And I keep giving her passes. And Robert's just like, yeah, I don't want to know. I do not care. I'm just trying not to ever think of that woman again. But thanks. Enjoy the skee-ball and the little sliders. Okay? I'm killing it. Okay?

17:44Ben Mandelker: Here's some bacon-wrapped bacon. Enjoy yourself. I love being a chef. So, Robert.

17:50Ronnie Karam: If you have anything else to say, say it to my pig tattoo.

17:55Ben Mandelker: She goes, wait, Robert's a chef. here? He's like, you didn't know this, Lindsay? I mean, I was like, is this going to be a problem? And I feel like there's a lot that I don't know. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of history between Danielle and I, and like at least once a year she does something, and then I have given her a pass, pass after pass after pass after pass. I'm like a quarterback at this point. And she's like, asked me to go to coffee, and I was like, no.

18:20Ronnie Karam: Maybe if it was wine, which is what mom's like. Straight to Yeah, she's back to that this season, which is really funny. It's one o 'clock, baby's down, it's a wine time. So Gavin's like, so was she trying to just give you an olive branch? She's like, um, I do not need an olive branch from a person that resembles the olive garden, so no thank you. That girl can take her unlimited breadsticks and hike up another tree, okay?

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19:57Ben Mandelker: We go back to Kenny and Whitney, and Kenny is like, you know what? It's wild to me.

20:03Ronnie Karam: No offense, Natasha, at Wells Fargo.

20:06Ben Mandelker: I don't do my bankrolls, so I can take all the shots I want.

20:12Ronnie Karam: No offense to our business account manager, Natasha, at the Wells.

20:17Ben Mandelker: so Kenny is like God Whitney it's wild to me we've got Danielle that's dating a guy and the guy's still married Lindsay who had a baby with a guy after two months slut and then Lindsay's interrogating me about us moving in together after hanging out for a year and her and Gavin were like laughing and making a joke of what I was like going through with my mom oh my god you were such

20:43Ronnie Karam: a worse first of all she didn't interrogate you she said wow that girl's moving here for you after just this short amount of time don't fuck it up because that's a serious thing for a woman and now you're freaking out and now you're going to bring up your mother's death to use as a weapon against

20:59Ben Mandelker: everybody else that's really fucking classy dude yeah exactly and as our uh note taker shelby noted that he couldn't even say that we dated for you he was like we just hung out for you so how

21:11Ronnie Karam: serious is this because they didn't they did they have they've only been together for like a month that was the point he was like yeah well i started that was why he's mad because they started dating but then his mom i guess he explains this later his mom was going through stuff and he's like yeah it was one of the stages of grief and that's what gavin was making fun of him he's like yeah you know the stages of grief denial anger fucking around you know yeah sleeping around with people and they laughed and now he's all offended he's all offended and it was actually gavin was just

21:41Ben Mandelker: making a very benign joke, I think. And McKinney is very sensitive about being labeled a fuckboy because that's what fuckboys do. They're very sensitive about their image because in order to engage in the fuckboy sciences, you have to maintain a certain image of yourself. And if that image gets damaged, then the fuckboyery falls apart. So he is already...

22:03Ronnie Karam: You have to look like you're willing to be a boyfriend of somebody so you keep getting girls to fuck. And also, didn't you just tell us last week that you have a secret feed into Gavin's restaurant so you can tell when hot girls are there. Wouldn't want people to think you're a fuckboy.

22:16Ben Mandelker: I forgot. He's like, he just rubbed me the wrong way. He goes, if anybody in this scenario knows what I went through and could have had my back, it would have been Gavin. So he talked about how his mom had cancer, which obviously is very, very sad, and it was a very difficult time, and that's why he broke up with Whitney in that moment, because he just felt like he couldn't, I guess, give himself to someone else at that moment. So Whitney's like, you know, sometimes this can happen, and dynamics of best friends and like someone getting in a relationship when the another one isn't like does he feel like you're not spending as much time with him he's like i don't know and like that's maybe why he's saying these comments so kenny's like well he's just so bad at using his words and it's like i would never know until something blows up i'm like so he's are you saying that he's bad he doesn't really know how to articulate himself and how to express himself but at the same time you're also saying wow he's really using his words in a hurtful way So which one is it?

23:10Ben Mandelker: Are his words intentional or not?

23:12Ronnie Karam: Well, also, he had no problem joking about you with you and using his words and saying exactly what he meant. But you're the one sitting here crying about it and refusing to speak to him about it and trying to make up all of this. You're the one who can't use your words, can he? You big fucking baby. I cannot believe how quickly this guy became the biggest villain. And also, Bravo is just trolling us at this point. How many shows do we have right now that are just about dickbag men? We've got Below Deck. Wait, first of all, what's even Below Deck? Well, we've got Rhode Island, which I don't think it's completely in that lane yet.

23:49Ben Mandelker: Those guys aren't fuckboys. Those are just like blatant cheaters. But we've got Below Deck. Those are just like old school.

23:55Ronnie Karam: Yeah, we've got Below Deck infuriating men. Then we've got what's on Tuesdays? Summer House. The show house West, Jesse. Then we've got a Ben on this show. We've got this guy. Then we've got the Valley, which is Danny at the moment. Danny and Jesse Lolly is not still not out of the clear in my eyes. And then you've got what's next.

24:19Ben Mandelker: Southern hospitality is somehow showcasing the best in male behavior.

24:25Ronnie Karam: I mean, we've got Justin on that show, but he's somewhat well-behaved right now. But so that's five shows in one week with absolute dick bag men. I mean, at this point, they're just like, let's just cast toxic men to piss people off.

24:39Ben Mandelker: Well, the good news is the McBee Dynasty is coming back. So that should probably be that trend. That'll fix everything up. Okay, so we go over to Lindsay's apartment. Gemma, the true star of this show. And I will rarely ever say that about a baby. But let's be honest, Gemma is the star here. Let's be honest.

25:00Ronnie Karam: You're saying that because you're terrified of Gemma already. because you know how Lindsay can be. And you're terrified of Gemma coming up to you and telling you off in baby speak because she'll do it too.

25:10Ben Mandelker: Good for her. Like, I think if more babies were terrifying like that, I would really enjoy them more. Like, I just need babies to act like the gay icons they should be.

25:17Ronnie Karam: Yeah, earn some respect, you goddamn boring babies.

25:19Ben Mandelker: Like an authoritative woman. That's what I love. Yeah. So Gemma's climbing around and Georgina comes over with her daughter and she's like, oh, well, I'm here. I'm sorry. I smell like Botox. Anyway, God, if there was a first aid kit for mothers, a bottle of champagne would be in there. Wine o 'clock, am I right? Were there any episodes of Cougar Town on? Okay.

25:43Ronnie Karam: Does Botox smell? I've never smelled Botox. This is such a funny scene to me because they're so like, okay, we're like moms, okay? That's our inspiration. Okay, so just come in. She's like, oh my God, being a mom, right? And Lindsay's like, yeah, like it's a wine o 'clock because I'm a mom and that's what moms do. She's like, yeah, I like wine, too, because we're moms. Yeah, moms like wine! She's cracking up. Lindsay's really playing it up on this show, and it's cracking me up. So Georgina's like, oh, my God, having these kids, like, you're dealing with something stupid at all times. Like, one of my kids the other day, they were out, like, coloring, and it got really quiet.

26:20Ronnie Karam: And I go in there. He's colored his penis blue. I mean, you fucking idiot. Now I have to deal with this fucking blue penis? I mean, come on. I mean, I know it's, like, non-toxic organic paint. I am a mom, but still, like, probably not the best thing to do to your scrotum.

26:36Ben Mandelker: Thank God she's a dermatologist.

26:38Ronnie Karam: So Lindsay's like, I mean, I look at you having two kids, and I think I might be just good with a one and done.

26:45Ben Mandelker: And she's like, yeah, one and done. You did it right. I mean, honestly, I don't even know how, like, I would have gotten through this without you, Georgina. Like, I couldn't have done it. Like, I mean, I don't think, I don't have, like, any other friends who are, like, in similar situations. like over the summer like no one fucking knew anything about dealing with what I was doing with like legal stuff and like no one at the summer house could even understand like nobody even has kids so basically she's talking about mediation and mediation with her ex and how they're just trying to figure out all this shit you have to make all these decisions for Gemma's entire future and she's hoping that they can just get through this sooner rather than later and it can just be like a ultimately just like a document that lives in the drawer right by the

27:25Ronnie Karam: condoms because I'm not using those either. Just need to point out, this is extremely smart of Lindsay to be doing this. And we don't see this kind of thinking a lot on these shows. So I think it's important to point it out when you have a child with somebody to not just be like, oh, I just trust that you're always going to do the right thing. It's like, no, we are making a dot. We are making a legal document. You are raising this child and this is what you're going to be expected to do, period. so good for her yeah um and then georgina's like oh my god it's so funny because like when i was

28:00Ben Mandelker: going through this like i was still hoping like it would work out and so i put into the custody agreement that like we all had to hang out for like three hours every week like just have like a three-hour family time just like forced family time and the lawyer was like yeah you can't do that it's not crazy so then i painted the lawyer's dick blue i don't know why i did that it was just weird it was very awkward i almost got thrown out of the office like yeah the lawyer was like you

28:21Ronnie Karam: You can't force somebody to hang out with you. I tried it. I tried it.

28:26Ben Mandelker: My relationship with my ex, Bobby, is in like a really good place right now. I mean, obviously it's taking a lot to get there because this is the guy who moved out on me when I was 30 weeks pregnant and had a toddler race. Not bitter. Not bitter. Anyway, I've made a conscious effort to put that aside the hatred and just focus on what's going to be best for my kids, which apparently is wiping off the blue paint from their scrotums. Oh, my God. I'm happy. Everything's fine.

28:49Ronnie Karam: No, I'm no parent. But, you know, on a parenting show, I get to judge your parenting anyway. Sorry, suckers. I don't know that your children being around somebody that would abandon them when you're 30 weeks pregnant is great anyway. So I don't know that that's best for your children. Everybody says that it's best to have both parents there. Really? Have you met both of the parents? Yeah. Because this jackass left when I was 30-something weeks pregnant. So. Yeah. And raising his toddler at the same fucking time. No, no, no, no.

29:20Ben Mandelker: No, no. And then she's like, she's like, she's like, oh my God, she's like sniffs like Eloise's diaper. And then like, Lindsay's like,

29:29Ronnie Karam: oh my God, did you poop? She's like,

29:30Ben Mandelker: no, she just farts a lot. So now we go over back to the Garrett. Cheers. This place is cheers. And that's the place that Gavin owns. And we've got, it's boys night, Kenny, Gavin, Andrea, Yvonne's husband, Nick, Kyle. They're all there to row it out in a very small New York city bar on the

29:50Ronnie Karam: second floor in the west village so carl's like hey whitney witnessed a boy's night yet gevin's like oh she's witnessed a lot that's the problem kenny goes yeah i mean uh i'm cleaning my act up so she hasn't witnessed a whole lot but you know she does have an alter ego named claire and then we see claire and you guys are not going to believe this but claire is a white woman twerking No one saw that one coming. Okay.

30:15Ben Mandelker: But like, I love Whitney making her saucy alter ego named Claire. I mean, like Beyonce is like, I become Sasha Fierce. Everyone's like, I become Monica. I become Veronica. I become, you know, like Christina. But she's just like, I'm Claire.

30:39Ronnie Karam: You know, I have a boutique in the mall that gives preteens their first piercings. It's fun. It's fun. Wild clear. Two for once.

30:49Ben Mandelker: My name is Alexandra, but my alter ego is Jan. Oh.

31:01Ronnie Karam: So he says that she has a really good friend group in L.A., so this is really hard. and it's really difficult when you're trying to introduce your girlfriend and have her welcomed by a group of girls and there's that one girl that's causing all this drama like last time we were here lindsey was hammering me i'm just like lindsey we don't even know each other you're coming in hot oh my god you're such a wuss what an absolute wuss this guy oh my god i hope his

31:29Ben Mandelker: parents are spending thirty thousand dollars to enroll him in the nursery school he belongs in why are you such a baby this guy like oh my god there's this one girl kind of causing all the drama it was actually like one comment and it's you going around talking to everyone about like can you believe she said this to me can you believe she said this to me you're the one who's causing the drama lindsey was just saying hey like treat your woman right and the fact that you are so fragile that you can't deal with a single woman who is even like not single but meaning like like a woman a unique woman uh saying something to you is gonna shatter your world like this like oh please get over it also by the way you're welcome for the drama that's how you're employed on a tv

32:10Ronnie Karam: show right now yeah um this guy's a wuss and i am loving it i can i love that they gave lindsey a

32:17Ben Mandelker: toy because he's just gonna love chewing him a toxic fragile male it's so perfect it's great Right.

32:25Ronnie Karam: So Kenny's like, yeah, you know, this has been really hard. And it's like, you know, and then Gavin, you're like poking the fire. And Gavin's like, yeah, I was poking because we had Kenny in this like nice situation. I know Kenny can handle it. What has Kenny ever done to make you think that Kenny can handle it? Do you guys really know each other? Because Kenny cannot handle it, sir.

32:44Ben Mandelker: No, I don't think Gavin was sincere with that. But I think he was challenging Kenny to handle it. He was like, oh, I know you're about to try to dump this on me, but I'm going to turn it around. I'm like, oh, of course, Kenny can handle it. Can't you, Kenny? Like, that's sort of what the undertone I got, the subtext. And Kenny's like, well, it just, it came across very judgy. And then she was making comments about like all men and this and that. And she just came across the wrong way. Like, she literally did not say all men. Unless there's something that's on the editing room floor. Like, sir, you projected that.

33:15Ben Mandelker: You projected your guilty conscience because you do act like a fuckboy. And you do act like the stereotype guy, like douchey VC finance bro guy that gives that like causes all these think pieces about men.

33:31Ronnie Karam: Yeah, douche. So Nick's like, well, was it projecting or coming from a good place? What do you think, Nick? You think Kenny thinks it's coming from a good place? Come on, Nick. And Gavin's like, I think she was just trying to be a girl's girl. He's like, you know what? You're rubbing me the same way, honestly, that you rubbed me that night where it was like a dog pile. and lindsey has her little crew and her little minions and for some reason you're like standing over there with mint with lindsey you're supposed to be my minion man yeah i know i can't lindsey

33:57Ben Mandelker: was such a monster there she was recruiting minions why aren't you being my minion i got

34:02Ronnie Karam: like i love that that logic there but i love that lindsey pinpointed this guy is a douche the second she met him and she's like oh wow this girl's moving on first of all the girl's moving all the way over here to be on tv like let's come on so let's call it like it is but lindsey's like she's moving all this way so that's pretty serious you better treat her right and he's taking it this way and the girl's all offended like oh my god i can't believe that this woman is talking about my relationship she doesn't know my relationship like whitney gets all defensive and then they show like coming next week whitney being like well i told him like i moved all this way for you and i can move out just as easily i'm like see see dummy yep yep so uh kyle's like oh

34:44Ben Mandelker: Gavin is used to Kenny being in a relationship, but he's used to Kenny probably being in a bad relationship where he's unhappy and Gavin's there for him and like, yeah, let's have a boys' night. But I don't think Gavin's used to Kenny being in a relationship where he's happy. And I think that's what we're dealing with here. And Gavin feels like he's about to lose his boy. I'm like, that may be true, but I still think that Kenny is the one who's really in the wrong here. So Kenny's like, well, maybe I'm being overprotective, overly sensitive. It's a real possibility, you know? And Andrea's like, yeah, always defend your woman.

35:11Ben Mandelker: He's like, yeah. and and then kenny is like yeah i mean lexi's been great by the way she loves lexi lexi's been like so nice look they're even having a dinner right now and it gots to lexi and whitney trying to shoot a scene and there's some new york city emergency that's happening across the street it's like fire truck after fire truck and lexi's like so how are you feeling i mean moving in together that's a big stop like they can't even shoot our scene it's like oh my god there's like so many

35:38Ronnie Karam: fire directs here. This is like crazy. Like, are we even supposed to do it? I mean, welcome to New York, I guess, right?

35:45Ben Mandelker: God, New York, home of, like, fire emergencies. So it goes back to boys' night. And Kenny's like, you know, we're going to do a kind of welcome to New York party. Yeah, we're going to throw it at a place that people hop on a train and leave New York to go to the suburbs for. It's at Grand Central. So I hope you guys come to it. Because, you know, we're boys. We spend time together i want her to feel comfortable and welcomed by this group and kyle's like well

36:10Ronnie Karam: listen amanda and i have been going through a lot so she probably won't come and like yeah we know kyle she never comes like yeah she's like been in like a no new friends headspace so don't expect her to be nice to your girlfriend and andrea's like well you know i'm i'm team amanda and kyle oh yeah i'm trying to be receptive and open-minded but i don't know she's like she's waiting for me to do something stupid so you just leave. She did tell me she's moving out of the apartment. I'm like, whoa, damn.

36:39Ben Mandelker: Yeah, she keeps talking about this like I'm underdo or something like that. And Kenny's like, yo, listen, Kyle, bro, I think that speaks for itself. I am team Kyle and Amanda, but I'm also team Kyle and I'm team Amanda. And if there's not team Kyle and Amanda, you need to take space and see how it feels. And maybe it feels great for you, bro. Like be single, man. So that way Gavin gets off my ass. Thank you.

37:01Ronnie Karam: So then we go back to, then we go to Lindsay and Yvonne in the park and they're getting ready for, wait, no, they're just at Gramercy Park. Sorry, they show the neighborhood on the screen. I'm like, why aren't they getting ready in the park?

37:13Ben Mandelker: We're going to do our makeup in the bird fountain. So Lindsay's like, my life last year has been like so ultra serious and I almost feel like I'm coming out the other end. Like now I can have fun, like one o 'clock. And Yvonne's like, yeah, this is called self-love. It's like, you deserve this. Like it's time to have some fun at last. and Lindsay is saying how you know it's like not easy to go out in the town like she used to because like Yvonne and I are husband-townie girls and when I was 23 I was like running this entire city like you can go up high feet without someone saying like how do I get into Pizza Beach and I was opening up a club and restaurants and hotels and lounges every single month

37:48Ronnie Karam: yeah and so basically Yvonne is always calling to go out and Lindsay's we see her calling and she's like um hi Lindsay can you meet me like 11 for a drink and she's like um no No, no, I can't. And Yvonne's like, yeah, she's always like, I'm a mom. I mean, she does say yes sometimes though. So, you know, I gotta try, I gotta try it.

38:09Ben Mandelker: Lindsay, there's this really cool pop-up bagel place, but it only is open between 1 a.m. and 3 a.m. I was thinking that we could go, I can't go, I'm a mom. Okay, well, there's also this like new like bowling alley. It's called Club Club and I just, it's opening up tonight. Do you want to go to the opening?

38:24Ronnie Karam: I can't go, Yvonne, stop it. um drinks are actually half price because last week someone got hit on a head with a bowling ball on the dance floor so it's about some bad press but yeah i wanted to try it was built on

38:38Ben Mandelker: crypto so it's a brutalist bowling alley don't you have you always want to go to that lindsey

38:45Ronnie Karam: so um lindsey moves the conversation to kenny she's like oh my god i'm so surprised that kenny invited me because like he was telling andrea that he doesn't even like me and like um all this stuff and i was like what like he said i pressured him to propose to his girlfriend like what is he

39:00Ben Mandelker: even talking about so now we go to danielle and owen and danielle's like um i just think that there's like like it's like it's like here's this party i'm throwing for you so you forget that about the lack of closet space that you have in my apartment which by the way i 100 agree is what this party was there's something kind of performative about this party about kenny throwing like a welcome to New York party for her. I don't know why. It feels like so like, like he's, he's like constructing an image of himself as this guy who's like, look at the beautiful things I do for her. But he's actually barely giving her any space in this apartment.

39:34Ben Mandelker: I think it's performative.

39:35Ronnie Karam: I think he's being TV. He's like, okay, I got this girl on the hook because she knows I'm going to be on a TV show. So now she's going to move here and I'm going to have a filmed party for her. You know, here we go. You know, he's giving her the full experience to try and keep her.

39:51Ben Mandelker: right so and then no one's like hey when when is my party and she's like you're not getting a party so do you think i'll we'll ever get to a stage where i don't have just like one little closet and then your stuff isn't in the living room like this because danielle has like clothing on like a rack in the living room and she's like we don't have any space and it's like but i think like come on i think i deserve a little bit more space and we see he gets like this tiny little shelf that's like all his he gets like a sweatshirt space and that's it yeah and he's like well how

40:17Ronnie Karam: how are you feeling about tonight? Because you haven't seen Lindsay lately. And she's like, yeah, turn down. Like, she turned me down. I mean, that's the right word for it. I mean, I'm nervous. I'm anxious. There's, like, tons of history there, you know. Like, I made a pie chart about it. He's like, oh, God, not again. Please. So now we go to Grand Central for Whitney's big party. And everyone's dressed up and arriving and looking fabulous. And so Kenny is nice to Lindsay. He says, nice to see her and stuff and greets her. And Lindsay and Amanda chat. and Katie's with them. And so Lindsay's like, so how was your anniversary?

40:50Ronnie Karam: And Amanda's like, yeah, we had a really nice time at dinner and drinks and stuff. Did you, Amanda? You remember that there were cameras there, right? That looked fucking horrible.

41:02Ben Mandelker: Remember how you told Kyle you were going to move out on your anniversary dinner that you're talking about right now? Was that the nice time at dinner part? Or was it when you started talking to the guys in khakis and blue button-down shirts and white t-shirts and telling them how your relationship was ending like what was the fun

41:20Ronnie Karam: time part it's like i had fun so she says yeah i told kyle i'm moving out and it's like oh my god yeah but then i like explained him that i'm just gonna find somewhere temporary you know like we're not separating we're not calling anything off we're just gonna see where it goes you know see if west ever you know breaks up with all the other girls he's dating yeah seriously

41:45Ben Mandelker: so now Gavin is uh standing with Kenny and uh talking to Whitney and uh talking about like being gets flirting versus charming or whatever and Kenny is he Kenny is like you're in terms of like flirting versus charming he's like you're churning because it's like charming and flirting together and then and then Gavin kisses Whitney on the cheek which I was like uh sir you should not be doing that because he does that thing he does the thing with the hand he is a little bit too much like i think that is i i think that's like like the grabbing of the face and then kissing on the cheek actually maybe he didn't grab whitney's face but either way i feel like uh that is regardless of this whole situation that is still your your guy's girl and i was like maybe don't do that kissing on the cheek no because it's like he he it's like uh if you're talking about flirting or i don't know there was like a it was not like a oh hi nice to see you it was obviously Lindsay clocked it.

42:43Ben Mandelker: He's like, whoa, I thought, she was like, I thought you were just about to kiss me. It's more like it's an out of context kiss that comes out of nowhere. That's like, whoa. I just wouldn't do that to my bros lady.

42:56Ronnie Karam: I'm going to keep my tongue out of Dom's mouth next time I see him. So many Doms here. So then Andrea is whispering to Katie. Oh, I brought a little surprise for Lindsay. And we see this douche that he's brought. Oh, my God. Did you recognize him? Frank Costa. I didn't, and I saw a post on Reddit of who he was. He was with Kelly Dodd, right? Was that his thing?

43:25Ben Mandelker: Wasn't he the milkman of Lisa Barlow milkman infamy?

43:31Ronnie Karam: Lisa Barlow milkman? Why do I not remember that?

43:34Ben Mandelker: Remember the garden party? It's like, why don't you go back to your milkman? Wasn't that a thing? Right. Lisa Barlow milkman. Am I crazy? Am I just mixing things up? The freeze. Okay. The free, the milkman mix up is this. Oh, you're right. Wait. Oh, that's right. Kelly Dodd did go on a date with this milkman guy, but I thought there was something with Lisa Barlow. Oh, soup man. Sorry, everyone.

44:03Ronnie Karam: Oh, okay. Thank you. Yeah.

44:07Ben Mandelker: I remember that there was like a milk man, but I didn't remember that was Kelly Dodd.

44:13Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Frank went out with Kelly Dodd. She took him to watch what happens live. And yeah, if you look it up, Kelly Dodd's milkman, Frank Acosta.

44:23Ben Mandelker: Wow.

44:24Ronnie Karam: I forgot that he was the milkman though. But I did recognize him and I looked up Frank Acosta. I could not find him anywhere. There's like a gaffer or something named Frank Acosta, but I couldn't find him. And I was like, I know the face. Is he from Bachelor? Because he does have that kind of older, but like completely bowling ball, you know, what am I trying to say? When they shine the bowling balls? He's got that kind of face, which by the way, that's my goal. But yeah, there was something just like wax figure-y about him. Or like he just looks like beef jerky, but well-polished beef jerky.

45:02Ben Mandelker: He looks like wax fruit. Like it was like you put on the table, right?

45:08Ronnie Karam: Or like a, like if the fruit was a piece of bacon. Yeah.

45:12Ben Mandelker: It's like sugar glazed bacon. And so I sort of recognized him. And then when he said that he started a milk and dairy company, I was like, we've met a milk and dairy person before on Bravo. I was like, I could have sworn. So then I was like, milk man. And I was like, aha, Lisa Barlow. And I was so proud of myself. But of course, how could I, how could I be so foolish? Lisa Barlow was with a soup man, allegedly, not a milkman. It was with Kelly the Dodo. Okay.

45:39Ronnie Karam: So, yeah, that's Frank just still trying it with the reality show. So he's back, and Andrea wants to hook him up with Lindsay. So he's like, I think two people are amazing and they're single. You try to get them together, you know? Frank remembered Lindsay. He even remembered the color of Russia war. is that supposed to be romantic or that he's just not a fucking moron i know is that crazy to

46:06Ben Mandelker: remember the color of someone's dress this guy also went on a date with kelly dot so um so then lindsey is like so where are you from originally he's like michigan and i moved to new york and i started a milk and dairy company wow milk and dairy and lindsey tells us frank is so fucking hot I'm like, he's dressed like he's doing night at the Roxbury, but that's fine. And he's like, so I don't like to party party. Do you? She's like, oh, no, those days are gone. I have a 10-month-old baby, and she's like the most perfect baby on earth. She's like the milk version of baby. I'm sorry. I'm just confused.

46:42Ronnie Karam: He's asking if you have Coke. Okay. Have we had a baby for this long, Lindsay? She's like, yeah. Oh, my God. It's been so long since I've been flustered. I'm like sweating. Lindsay come on

46:55Ben Mandelker: not with this guy so then she goes up to the other girls and she's like oh my god like Andre brought this guy to talk to me and he's like I'm like drinking espresso martini and eating cheese and meats and like my breath is so bad I need to spray something in my mouth oh my god and Vance's like don't worry I got this at a new bar called Banaca it's like got these amazing they've got these dollar drafts that are in the shape of a boot but they're also they also can spray Banaca beer in your just drink just take this Banaca beer

47:23Ronnie Karam: So Danielle arrives. Dun, dun, dun. And Lindsay's like, ew, I growls. And looks away. Lindsay's so mature. So she's trying to make conversation and ignore Danielle. And Danielle just comes up and says hi. And she's like, um, hello. And gives her a little hug. But then she immediately walks away. Yeah. She's like, oh, hi.

47:44Ben Mandelker: And she walks. She pretends as if she didn't see Danielle. So then Lindsay is like, she's like, what's going on right now? and Yvonne's like, yeah, what is going on? She's like, well, Danielle, just like show up and give me a kiss on the cheek to say hi. It's like, yeah, you're in a party. This is what people do when they know each other.

48:03Ben Mandelker: So then Danielle is like really upset. She's like, wow, like she stiffed me for like wanting to go out to cop for a coffee and chat. And now she like can't even say like two sentences to me. I just feel like I'm a stranger to her now. Like it just sucks.

48:18Ronnie Karam: Yeah, Danielle, I would feel for you, but you're not making any of this effort until the cameras start rolling. Like there's been a, you haven't been on summer house for a while. There was some time here that has elapsed that you've been fine with it until the TV cameras were back up and you need an ally. Sorry, sister.

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49:53Ronnie Karam: So Danielle's like sad about it and Kyle is chatting with friends about missing his mullet. Yikes. And Amanda is complaining that Kyle keeps walking right past her. Well, how is that different from the past 10 years?

50:09Ben Mandelker: But also like, I guess she wants to be courted right now, but it's kind of like I'm moving out. Wait, pay attention to me. Yeah, exactly. So then Nick is talking to Kyle about the mallet, etc. And finally he's like, oh wait, there's Amanda. I should probably say hi. Oh yeah. Hey, Amanda, what's going on? This place is busy. Wow, train station, am I right? Isn't it crazy? And she's like, wow, I'm like, why didn't you say hi to me? He's like, uh, I thought we were separate. I guess I walked by you, whatever. She's like, well, I heard your voice right behind me. I was like, oh, Kyle's here. I could feel the vibration in the chest of you talking.

50:48Ben Mandelker: I was like, oh, God, Kyle's here. I'm like, so what do you want out of this experience right now? Like, you're like, why didn't you come over? Why didn't you come and say hi to me so I could complain about how you're here?

50:59Ronnie Karam: Yes, I could diss you. Oh, God. We also have to mention that we just were recording this after we just recorded, you know, two and a half hours on the Summer House finale where Amanda was just unbearable. So that's part of this. I know.

51:12Ben Mandelker: We're like, we're like, fuck off.

51:16Ronnie Karam: But yeah, as usual, neither one of them are really putting forth the effort that's ever going to make this work. So she's like, did you feed the dogs? Yeah. Did you take them out? No. You fed the dogs but didn't take them out. Look, Amanda sucks on that reunion. But come on, Kyle. Who feeds the dogs and doesn't take them out? That's literally insane. Anybody with a dog knows that's not how that works. You feed a dog, they immediately poop. I just really missed having

51:45Ben Mandelker: the ongoing mess around so I just let him poop on the floor I just got used to you what can I say? so Kenny is like guys guys guys gather around I want to give a toast to Whitney this is her welcome to New York party she is the best person that I know and the best person in my life and I'm so excited to be dragging her across the country to New York so anyone who might think that I'm not going to treat her well without a commitment is a crazy person. So get out of my face. Cheers to Whitney. And you get no closet space.

52:17Ronnie Karam: And I came on the subway. He's like, wow, yeah, she took the subway for the first. Get the fuck out of here. You're in Grand Central Station. This is not the way to ingratiate your girlfriend to everybody. I know. Like, welcome to New York. I took a subway. Everyone there is like, hick. Get out of here.

52:36Ben Mandelker: Although, by the way, I actually went to this bar like about a year ago. And it was a very, very cool bar. So I don't have to say, if you're in Grand Central, go check it out.

52:45Ronnie Karam: Well, I just meant like saying like, wow, I'm on a subway. Like you're literally in a train station.

52:50Ben Mandelker: Yeah, like you don't get an award for running the subway in New York City.

52:54Ronnie Karam: Yeah, that bar, when it came out, I remember reading articles about it. They had a lot of gorgeous pictures and stuff on it.

53:00Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I went there with our friends Michelle and Lauren, and they had excellent martinis. Well, might want to call those girls because we're coming home. we're babies coming home see everyone at grand central coming home uh yeah we need to have a

53:16Ronnie Karam: hangout night we plan that i know that we're at work right now but we need to plan that i need to see them yeah we will thank you uh you're welcome carry on with your job well yeah they're

53:26Ben Mandelker: gonna come to the show on friday so we'll probably hang out with them on friday at the very least that does not count i know but like after the show you know uh we'll just make our social plans here in the middle of this so then anyway so he makes a speech okay and then kyle starts talking to danielle and good old this is we've been so distracted with this whole scandal that we forgot that some of the bullshit that kyle gets up to he's like hey uh danielle did you and lindsey get to uh did you get did you get did you and lindsey get the lace memo because you're both wearing lace

53:56Ronnie Karam: she's like no oh we don't talk how would we get a memo although i do love memos he's like ah sorry at me to trigger you uh can i can we talk let's talk about this because we're on tv now i gotta keep this shit rolling okay so uh kenny's like oh fill me in on the tidbits because i got a bone to

54:12Ben Mandelker: pick as well fuck off kenny okay guess what we'll we'll we'll fill you in on the tidbits the moment you stop saying things like fill me in on the tidbits seriously so kyle's with danielle he's

54:26Ronnie Karam: like all right you know in an alternative universe i was joking you and lindsey could have coordinated a little lace. Did you get it? I was joking. I just want to make sure you got it.

54:37Ben Mandelker: Listen, I don't mean to be insensitive. I know the lace thing is an issue. It's your favorite fabric. But I'm trying to broker a common ground. Can I be able to spin off someone's say something about common ground? Carl, get out of here. You're not on the show. Okay, we're too close-knit sort of like lace itself for there to be awkwardness. She's like, yeah, well, clearly not. She's like, well, I just confront her now and squash it. you own it she owns it and absolutely nothing else that happens in this little conversation will make it 10 times worse okay so just talk about it right now yeah but she literally texted

55:10Ronnie Karam: me that summer and she said like you said something punk punchy he's like oh well the beach was harsh and then we see uh the beach where lindsey's like yeah yeah so you know i'm moving into this place and daniel's like you don't even live with him and you're having a whole baby with him oh that is harsh but it's also like something lindsey i feel like would say to someone as well so exactly that's kind of what she just did to the other guy so it's like well why is lindsey so pissed but that wasn't all that danielle did that's just all they put in the clip i mean danielle and lindsey had been downhill for like two summers at that point yeah they have such

55:44Ben Mandelker: a dysfunctional relationship now so kyle is like well that beach was harsh and like now she has all sorts of opinions about you and how you've carried yourself. I think Lindsay said, I don't want to say the word slut. Oh, wait. I don't want to say the word obnoxious whore. What's the phrase? Harlot? No. Like, moral? I don't want to say the word slut shaming,

56:09Ronnie Karam: so I'll say the word slut disapproving. Okay? Disapproving of you, slut.

56:15Ben Mandelker: I don't think she said the phrase worst person in the world, and yes, I am, including people who are in office. No, that wasn't the phrase she said. What was she saying?

56:26Ronnie Karam: Lady and the... Come on, it's coming to me. It's coming to me. It's coming to me.

56:31Ben Mandelker: Something about like puddle of ooze. I would rather hang out with that clown from the movie It. No, she didn't say that.

56:41Ronnie Karam: And we see a flashback to Lindsay telling him, before Carl and I got engaged, She gave him a handjob in the back of an Uber a week after we broke up. But I don't remember the history here. Didn't Danielle date Carl? Like they were all hanging out as friends. Then Danielle dated Carl, but then that didn't work out. And then Lindsay took Carl for a ride and that didn't work out. And then Danielle hooked up with Carl again. And then Lindsay got back together with Carl and then they became like official. Right.

57:11Ben Mandelker: Yeah. And I think it's kind of crazy to like go all the way back to that handjob. Because they were all being messy that summer. All of them were. And Carl deserves as much blame for whatever this was as Danielle would. And I don't know. They were just all being one big messy crew. And so, like, if Lindsay is upset that Danielle violated girl code by doing that, I think Danielle also has a right to be upset at Lindsay for violating girl code there, too, I suppose. I don't know. I don't even care about that trio. But it's not even about that.

57:40Ronnie Karam: It's not about that. She's making it about that because she doesn't want to say what it really is, which is Danielle said that she was moving too fast with Carl and that that whole relationship needed to slow down because neither of them was in a place where they needed to be getting married. And Lindsay got pissed off that Danielle wasn't supporting her. And now Danielle turned out to be completely right about that. So Lindsay doesn't want to say that because she's pissed about something that Danielle turned out to be right about, even if Danielle could have been more supportive in that moment.

58:08Ben Mandelker: Yeah. But what's also funny is that like when, when Lindsay was listing all the things that, you know, like how Danielle was not supportive of her in the past or was not a great friend. The handjob thing was like a small bullet point and the fact that that's the thing that Kyle latched onto and now has elevated and now is like, well, she basically was calling you a slut for it. I was like, that was, Lindsay was definitely not. I don't think Lindsay was doing that. I think she was saying Lindsay, she was saying Danielle was not being considerate to me. But Carl, I mean, Kyle is like, his takeaway is like, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah.

58:39Ben Mandelker: Handjob. Oh, she calls you a slut, by the way.

58:43Ronnie Karam: yeah so he's like well the word boy crazy has come up and she's like oh my god are you fucking kidding me are you out of your mind bringing this to me and he's like don't don't shoot the messenger she's like fuck that like what do you expect me to do like what do you think is going to come from that kyle like now i'm supposed to walk up to her and be like hey can we have a conversation

59:00Ben Mandelker: no i'm not doing that the way he just totally destroyed that entire situation is hilarious

59:08Ronnie Karam: Well, she knows exactly what he's doing it because he's been doing this producer thing for 10 years. And she's like, enough, sir.

59:15Ben Mandelker: So now Georgina is talking to Andrea and Frank and Georgina. Okay. Either you're a terrible liar or a terrible dermatologist because she goes, wow, you're so tan, which means that you were out. You were out in the sun without sunscreen, but I'll let it pass. But, you know, like, you know, you're you look it looks good. You look you're you're looking good. And he's like, yeah. and they basically are like, wow, he has such good skin. I'm like, he does not have good skin.

59:43Ronnie Karam: It looks like a baseball glove. What are you guys talking about? So Lindsay goes over to grab Kenny for a chat and she's like, first of all, lovely party, lovely speech. He's like, okay, thank you. Thank you for coming. Well, thank you for inviting me. I did hear that you felt grilled by me at the car, right? You felt grilled by the car?

1:00:04Ben Mandelker: He's like, that's correct. I felt like you were grilling me because you were a woman asking a man a question. And so in my book, that counts as a cross-examination, and I did not appreciate that.

1:00:16Ronnie Karam: If that were a courthouse and you were the judge, I would have asked for a different judge. Because you have boobs. She's like, but was it just me? And he's like, you were recruiting people. I didn't recruit people. He's like, literally, you were like, literally come over here. She's like, I was asking you questions because that's how to get to know somebody. And this is who I am. I just ask, I question everyone in my life. And I'm a very curious person. And I want to get to know everyone's interpersonal relationships. And he's like, yeah, well, I wish it felt genuine like that. Nina, you think that line of questioning was normal and everybody just rolling in and piling in on poor little Kenny?

1:00:55Ben Mandelker: She's like, it's normal in my life with all of my friends. Which I think she sort of, she emphasizes that like, you're in my group now. So Kenny's like, was it normal? Is it? Well, I love that for you and your friends. Because it seems like you have a lot of disagreements with a lot of people. She's like, eh. He goes, yeah, it's just like drama, drama, drama, drama. And it just feels like you're creating these narratives that are just like unnecessary. She asked you questions and she moved on with her life. And she was like drinking wine with Devon and like playing with her baby. You're the one who went around to Whitney and then to all the bros at Bro Night to be like, whoa, she's a man hater.

1:01:33Ben Mandelker: Why does she ask these questions? Wow, she seems unhappy in her life. You literally caused this drama and it came back to her and she came here to actually just squash it.

1:01:40Ronnie Karam: Yeah, and you're creating narratives that don't exist, which is exactly what you're saying she's doing. You're saying she said that you're expecting that girl to be engaged or whatever. You're saying that she's saying all this stuff that she never even said, dude. She asked you a question. And also her having problems with everybody. A, that's true because it's Lindsay. B, you have a problem with Lindsay and you have a problem with your own best friend. And that's only in episode two. So who are you pointing fingers at? Okay. Every time you point, you better look because you've got three fingers pointing back at yourself and one thumb pointing at the bathroom.

1:02:17Ben Mandelker: Yep. And I love that she does not cower. I love this is classic Lindsay. She is like, she's so good dealing with people like this. Like this is her bread and butter or douchebags like this. And she's like, no, I call it fucking truths and facts. And I'm sorry that you don't like hearing the fucking truth. And he's like, you're grilling me about moving a girl across the country after knowing her for a year. And you had a kid with a guy after two fucking months. It's like, sir, the kid is in many ways. The kid is the commitment and there's no commitment on your end.

1:02:50Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I mean, I see what he's saying, but he's just so sensitive about what she's saying. She's not saying the stuff he thinks she's saying, you know, he thinks she's saying like, what is this girl fucking crazy for moving in with you? That's nuts. She's not. She's just saying that's so fast for her to be moving. You better treat her well. That's it. It's not like this huge thing. But I love that she won't even explain it to him like that because he's getting attitude with her and she is not about to take that from some man. So she like puts that aside and it's like, oh, fuck you. I'll excoriate you then, idiot.

1:03:21Ben Mandelker: it well also the thing is with lindsey and turner is that i really got the sense that that relationship was kind of like well hopefully this works out but we both want to have a child so let's have a child

1:03:30Ronnie Karam: although i think lindsey was like i think it was still a surprise but i still think like ultimately

1:03:35Ben Mandelker: like her needs were met she's like i want to have a child she said very clearly i'm gonna have a

1:03:40Ronnie Karam: child and if it works out with this man it works out if it doesn't it doesn't i'm here for the baby

1:03:45Ben Mandelker: you know it fulfilled everything that she needed which is why it's like when he tries to throw it in her face, it's like, it's, it was, it seems like it was perfectly on her terms. Um, and so Kenny is like, well, the problem is don't project your insecurities on my relationship. I mean, Kenny, it's, it's crazy. Cause he is actually doing the thing that they say narcissists do, which is they take everything that they are guilty of and everything that you accuse them of and they turn them around and put them onto the other people. And he's literally doing that right here on her. Like she was not projecting any insecurities.

1:04:17Ben Mandelker: He was the one who literally dug up this narrative and created it and now he's going to accuse her of projecting insecurities.

1:04:25Ronnie Karam: Darvo deny attack, reverse victim and offender.

1:04:30Ben Mandelker: Wow. Don't don't don't know that that Darvo. Is that like the brat diet? Bananas rice. I forget what the A stands for and toast.

1:04:40Ronnie Karam: Daiquiri's apple

1:04:42Ben Mandelker: bananas rice.

1:04:44Ronnie Karam: What is the A? So she's like she's like it sounds like you're judging me and he's like no i just i just don't need to be pressed on my commitment level and she's like this guy acts like he knows who i am but he doesn't know shit but i know a narcissist man when i see one so whitney good luck and he's like you just asked me about bringing someone across the country without a ring she's like no i didn't and he goes stop with the nonsense and she goes what i said was and maybe you're not fucking remembering ring, huh? Wow, she moved across the country for you without putting a ring on her finger.

1:05:19Ronnie Karam: That shows commitment.

1:05:22Ben Mandelker: He goes, that's a normal occurrence. She goes, that shows? No, it's not. I have multiple girlfriends that would never do that without a ring on their fucking finger. He goes, well, that's a you thing. And then we see, like, all the people are, like, watching, like, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. And Whitney's like, like, obviously, like, I want to stand up for, like, my man, for, like, the relationship, and, like, that's why i stepped into that conversation at the garrett when you guys were when you went when you weren't there you know and amanda's like yeah but i don't think she's questioning your relationship i think that she just wants what's best for you and i think that she's just like

1:05:56Ronnie Karam: trying to protect you but why is she trying to protect me like when we know what we're doing and like that's like our own decisions whitney because you can tell you're an idiot because you seem dumb as a box of chocolates okay you're the kind of dumb that you take off the lid and you don't even know what kind of dumb you're going to get this day you know you just have to

1:06:16Ben Mandelker: roll with it you were like the box of chocolates from forest gump except it's like not about chocolates it's like the type of dumb like you never know what kind of dumb you're gonna get

1:06:24Ronnie Karam: exactly like yeah the girl's dumbest box of chocolates you don't know if you're getting nutty this day or just completely empty inside yeah lindsey's like i am offering my services

1:06:34Ben Mandelker: pro bono to be your attorney that's why i'm doing this so georgina's like oh well you know what she's just a mom and she's just a mama bear. It's just her personality. Don't worry about it. And then Kenny is like, I just think you have drama that follows you around everywhere you go. She's like, well, I don't have time for drama. I don't care for that. He's like, well, think about it. You're in the middle of a fight with me in the middle of Whitney's Welcome to New York party. Is that dramatic? I'm like, she called you over to squash something.

1:07:05Ronnie Karam: She called you over to smooth it over. You started a fight. So you're right. Yes, it It is dramatic. And you are the drama queen. And then Lindsay goes, well, you're the one that's fighting with me. He goes, okay.

1:07:16Ben Mandelker: She goes, thank you for inviting me. And she walks away.

1:07:19Ronnie Karam: He's like, glad you came. Oh, God, I can't wait to just see his life get turned upside down on this show. Because she is going to railroad. And this girl, Whitney, please say she's not dumb enough to stay with him. She doesn't seem very bright. But, God, hope she's brighter than this. I hope that Whitney, you know, is obviously going to be terrible. This guy is horrid. So hopefully it's horrid. I mean, I don't hope for her that it's horrid, but it's obviously going to be. So hopefully we go through that. And then she gets the storyline of like, now I'm just the girl who moved to this city for a guy.

1:07:49Ronnie Karam: But now I'm going to stay for the relationships. And now we're going to watch Whitney's season of like becoming single. Because this guy sucks. So Amanda is talking to Lindsay now about looking. Oh, no. Now they go for an apartment tour. By the way, these are not Airbnbs that Amanda's looking for. no Amanda is walking into a full ass apartment that's going to require a lease Amanda never planned on this being a man I don't care what she's saying yeah never so they're looking at

1:08:20Ben Mandelker: places with Lindsay and this lady and um she's looking for a furnished month and more outdoor space doorman sunlight I was like wow that's a lot and she's like yeah the last apartment I

1:08:34Ronnie Karam: looked at before moving in with Kyle, our budget was next to nothing. So she's talking about before Kyle, I took this wrong when I watched it. And I thought she was saying my first apartment with Kyle was nothing. I was like, that's not true. Kyle was rich back then too. Yeah, he was. They got a banging apartment back then, but she's not, she was talking, I guess, about a roommate. So they're looking at this place and Lindsay's asking if she's talked to her parents about this. And she's like, no, I don't want to make them worried. No, you don't want to hear the, I told you so and stop fucking your best friend's boyfriend.

1:09:07Ben Mandelker: And then Amanda tells a really weird story from her childhood. She's like, I hate change so much. Like when I was younger, I handcuffed myself to our cast iron railings in our house because my parents wanted to get beautiful new solid wooden ones and I didn't want them to change them. But at that point, whatever I'm going through has been enough and I need to make a bigger change. So you've just always had terrible tastes. That's what you're saying. You're fighting over wooden spindles. Yeah.

1:09:36Ben Mandelker: she's like let me handcuff myself to this heavy awful thing i'm sorry i didn't mean to wasn't trying to fat shame west i meant more like it was a sinking oh no i took it listen we both watch hg

1:09:50Ronnie Karam: tv i i took that as spindle spindle shame yeah i wasn't it wasn't when i said heavy i meant in

1:09:55Ben Mandelker: terms of like this thing is going to drag you down not it wasn't any mention it wasn't a shaming Well, he's not fat, so he's not, but I mean, someone, people could have thought I was saying it like that. I wasn't, I will show you many straight up for spindles.

1:10:08Ronnie Karam: Okay. Spindles shaming is still legal for now.

1:10:11Ben Mandelker: This is, this is a pure old, this is banister shaming. Yeah.

1:10:17Ronnie Karam: Um, but also how did she get access when she was little?

1:10:19Ben Mandelker: How did you get access to handcuffs to attach her?

1:10:21Ronnie Karam: I was, that's what, that was my question. I was like, where'd the handcuffs come from?

1:10:25Ben Mandelker: Were they toy handcuffs or something? Like what, how did this happen?

1:10:28Ronnie Karam: I don't know. so um this is weird the story is weird basically and she's like but i just want to be happy i want to be with someone that like adores me and possibly four other girls at the same time lindsey's like well you need to understand that you're gonna fucking lose her if you don't get

1:10:43Ben Mandelker: it together kyle yeah so um now we go to kyle facetiming his mom i love his mom and she's like wow well it's been done well dad just got a pre-cancerous melanoma removed and so that's going to come out we're just hoping for a better 2026 good 2026 come back here it's actually like

1:11:04Ronnie Karam: yeah you know they're gonna have a procedure to remove it tomorrow you know terrible cancer and car like all right yeah that's terrible mom dad's cancer and everything all right here's what's going on with amanda geez can you give your dad a moment he's like yeah we had a rough summer and

1:11:22Ben Mandelker: we've kind of been in a place this place before even when we had a good summer quickly falls apart like we don't do anything together i mean i'm like let's do pickleball let's do kickball let's do uh basketball football like let's how about not sports he's like all she wants to do is shop like oh like maybe offer something other than pickleball but this is literally their whole

1:11:45Ronnie Karam: relationship i don't understand why they're acting like this stuff between each other is all new i mean kyle has wanted remember when kyle's like my whole family goes skiing that's what we do and Amanda's like, I hate skiing. And he makes me skiing. And he's like, well, that's all I enjoy doing with my family. She won't even try. And she's like, yes, I hate it. It's like, you guys have always been so miserable. But, you know, Kyle's upset because he's like, she's finally leaving. And she's separating. And she's moving out. And he's kind of crying. And then the mom starts crying. And she's like, oh, I just didn't, you know, I want this to be, I want you guys to be happy.

1:12:20Ronnie Karam: And this isn't good for you. And I was like, good for you, Jane. because this is kind of the different, this is a good mom scene. You know, we haven't had a ton of those on Bravo lately. I was like, I hope Sharon's watching this.

1:12:32Ben Mandelker: This was a really good mom scene. And I did like that when she said, you know, think of dad, he was in a 10 year marriage and he knows what it's like to be stuck. And he had two kids. I think she was basically saying, it's not too late. Go on, flourish, spread. It was interesting.

1:12:47Ronnie Karam: The dad was in a 10 year marriage and left it. He left the wife and then he ended up finding his, the love of his life. Yeah. See, can't be done, Amanda.

1:12:57Ben Mandelker: Didn't they have like a cheating scandal? Kyle's mom and dad?

1:13:00Ronnie Karam: I don't know because she's wording it. The way she's wording it now, she said he had a 10-year marriage, then he got out of it and that left him free to come and find me. So, or that gave me a chance to, you know, find him. So, I don't know.

1:13:15Ben Mandelker: Either way, I thought it was a nice scene and the mom's really crying and it was sweet because she just wants Kyle to be happy and God, I would love to, I just want to crash their family reunion because you know, that entire family just gets wasted. They just, they go on to like Winnipesaukee. They're playing, you know, Jimmy Buffett or fish or something. And they're grilling and they're just getting drunk as a family up there in New Hampshire. Oh yeah. They're partying for sure. That family, they're already, they're like a fun family. You know, they're a fun family. And then mom puts out good food.

1:13:46Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Oh gosh. Well, the city, that's something. That was a lot of Kyle and Amanda relationship talk today. Good Lord. Well, at least tomorrow we're on to the glorious, beautiful relationships of the Valley.

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