#3388 RHOA S17E9 Part Two: Sasquatch What Happens

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2:32Ben Mandelker: Hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. This is part two of the recap. If you missed part one, go check out your podcast feed. It's right there. and without further ado let's get right back into the recap so they decide they're gonna take them

2:47Ronnie Karam: to lunch and they're gonna work it out between these two crazy kids porsche and k michelle yeah um and angela's like listen fucking shamiya like i've tried with shamiya you know and um cynthia's like well i feel like you can convince k to have some kind of reset with porsche because it's not like they have to be best friends we just have to shoot so she's like well i tried And then we see a flashback to Pinky and Portia talking yesterday, I guess. And Pinky is like, did you know that she had an issue with you prior to us sitting at the table? She's like, well, we've had private conversations, building real friendship.

3:23Ronnie Karam: Right. But it's not on your time. She's like, hold on, hold on. It's not on your time, Portia. She's like, stop interrupting me.

3:32Ben Mandelker: Yeah. So what we've also learned here is that Pinky apparently does not let people get a word in edgewise. And I think we're not really seeing that because the way the show is edited. but you know when they had their when angela and pinky went at each other in at dallas to us it looked like just a back and forth but really the way they were talking about it was like oh my god pinky you just went on and on and on and on and now porsche is saying that she couldn't get a word in edgewise so it probably does not make good tv to watch pinky monologuing but what i'm getting the sense of is that pinky just starts talking and then she just does not shut up gosh i've never been accused of that um i was gonna say who are we to judge it's a 20-hour recap i'm just uh i did you know i've got this board game podcast on the side that i do my board game friends and i was like listening to brain game brain game brain i was listening to the latest episode i'm like oh it's just me just takes just swallowing up all the air in the room just talking and talking and talking this is the life for me baby yeah uh so anyway they're they're gonna ultimately they're gonna get uh portia and k michelle uh together and on top of that angela is gonna give a good college try with uh shamia although i don't it's we already know it's not gonna go out well because go well because angela even says in her confessional like i mean i've tried to reach out to Shamina.

4:54I mean, Shamessa. I mean, Sha liar. I mean, Sha stupid face. I mean, Sha, like, Sha, like bad parallel Parker. Am I right guys?

5:07Ronnie Karam: Yeah. You know, that's kind of, it sounds kind of like a Shamia line, doesn't it? Like a try hard line, but Angela just does it with better timing.

5:15Ben Mandelker: I don't know. Yeah. Why does, cause like the Angela's line was actually very groan worthy. Yeah. I was like, you're better than this. On paper, it wasn't good, but the delivery was very good. You know what it is? Because it's almost like she knows. I think because she's so dry with it. Whereas Shamia would be like, more like Shamina. Shadow clock. I mean, more like Shemessa. Even though she's dissing herself in this example. Okay, now we get to the big prize. You may have lost the ability to sue with your children, but behind door number three, a whole new rack of new teeth. Congratulations, Kelly.

5:54so Kelly is getting a whole new mouth

5:59Ronnie Karam: from Jarvis, this man Jarvis. I know I've brought up being gay multiple times in this episode. Not that I even have to, do you guys? I'm sure you get it. But why don't we get shit? I feel like, what the hell? I think because we just offer sex to literally anybody or anything. I would fuck the water cooler outside. It was kind of hot. but maybe it's because we just offer up sex too easily i don't know what it is i don't know how do you date somebody for a couple of months and they're buying you seventy thousand dollars worth of teeth i mean i can barely get a fucking chocolate croissant out of a man the thing is this

6:34Ben Mandelker: you can do it um i think that gays just i think gays gays just are not like we just watched an episode of uh below deck a few weeks ago where there was like a little twink who was chartering a yacht because his sugar daddy paid for it. Yeah, it happens. So it happens. But it means having to... The thing is this. Gay men are really obsessive about hot, muscular men or whatever, just hot guys. And so I think that... Muscles over money, I guess, eh? I think so. I think that... I always get the sense that straight women are not as into the physical as much as gay men are. And so I think like to sacrifice the physical to be with like a sugar daddy is like maybe not as hard.

7:24Ben Mandelker: But I think for gay men, you're really sacrificing something.

7:27Ronnie Karam: Well, you know what? And also, I think maybe as a woman, you can fake it more easily because you can. I mean, like you don't have you don't have to get your you don't have to get hard, you know, like for a guy. There's no faking it.

7:41Ben Mandelker: I don't know. I think a woman, there's still stuff that, you know, I think that like, it's just, I've seen enough straight women just with guys in general that aren't even sugar daddies where I'm like, really? Just gross. Yeah, just gross dudes. That I think they just, I think they just are looking for something different than what we are looking for. And I think that like, we are just so superficial that we're like, yes, he could buy me new veneers, but I don't know. His arms aren't quite big enough. I don't want veneers from a flabby-armed man. You know, I think that's unfortunately just like the plight of being a gay man.

8:19Who wants to say, um, this mouth was paid for by a chubby person.

8:24Ben Mandelker: Well, and the other thing is this. A lot of times what we see, when we do see sugar daddies, they're usually with a super hot young gay guy. I mean, look what happened with David Geffen and the guy who just sued him for like half of his money. Well, that's true. Yeah. And so the thing is this, usually the guys that are getting with the sugar daddy are kind of already at that place where they don't need the veneers. Yeah. They've already done the work.

8:46Ronnie Karam: That's true.

8:47Ben Mandelker: They've actually already done the work.

8:48Ronnie Karam: That's why you got the sugar daddy in the first place.

8:49Ben Mandelker: But the thing is, it's not like Kelly is some like runt. I mean, Kelly is hot and, you know, as well, like Kelly is like beautiful, but together and everything. So like, she's also, but, but yeah, I don't know.

8:58Ronnie Karam: What I just mean in general, it seems like when, like you see on these shows all the time. It's like, oh, I'm with some new guy and you just bought me, you know, you just spent a hundred grand on me. I just don't you just don't hear that with guys you know it's like the biggest thing I think we tell each other is oh my god I've been with someone like every day this week and today he asked me my name we're like oh my god that's so sweet you know these people are getting like new mouths yeah what the hell so anyway she gets this new mouth and um she says I've always wanted to be more presentable when it came down to my mouth and my teeth and Jarvis said he would get me a new smile by any expense necessary.

9:36Ronnie Karam: This is the best$70 ,000 I could spend. I spent$200 ,000 on a divorce. It costs$70 ,000 to get veneers. Is that true? Yeah, I guess I don't know. Chris Jenner facelift.

9:49Ben Mandelker: I don't know. But, you know, I have to say, there's something funny about watching her last week sit down and tell her mom and her and Nana of Nana's Waffles like I'm going to bankruptcy and this week being like that's the best$70 ,000 I could spend on my teeth I'm like okay well

10:11Ronnie Karam: you know priorities yeah that's true that was an interesting scene too we didn't we didn't recap that but she sits down at the new location and they're like who was it again her mom and her and she's like her mom and nana and she's like guys how's the location going and they're like terrible and one of them was like yeah we need to train the staff like maybe we should have some staff meetings where there's some training and Kelly's like oh gosh yeah Kelly train your staff and for those of you who don't know that location's already closed like you gotta you gotta

10:49Ben Mandelker: do something yeah yeah yeah so anyways Anyway, so Jarvis has paid for her to have new teeth, which is funny, because I never looked at her teeth and were like, oh, wow.

11:05Ronnie Karam: They look the same to me.

11:06Ben Mandelker: I thought they were the same.

11:08Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I mean, they look the same to me, but I'm not.

11:10Ben Mandelker: I don't know. What do I know? Look. Yeah, I'm not a big teeth judger, so I don't know. I'm not a big teeth. Well, I'm not a big teeth judger unless I really, really notice them, but whatever. So you know what it is? I'm actually more of a judger after the fix. I never notice when someone's teeth are like, unless they're super, super janky.

11:31Ronnie Karam: We've been teeth judgers in the past. I mean, there's like Carl. That was years ago, though. Rizzo. I don't think we publicly say anything about Rizzo's teeth,

11:40Ben Mandelker: just when we're alone. I don't know if I publicly say anything about Rizzo's teeth, but I think my spirit has said it. I've just noticed that they are, you know, his teeth are going, you know, his teeth.

11:52Ronnie Karam: I feel like teeth, we weren't really mean to Carl years ago, but I've always felt kind of guilty about that.

11:58Ben Mandelker: But Carl, his teeth were more, it's just because they were yellow. They were yellowing. Rizzo is more like, it's just.

12:04Ronnie Karam: And I felt like that's something you're allowed to make fun of.

12:05Ben Mandelker: I actually don't shame Rizzo for his teeth because it's just like, it's purely like, all of our teeth will go in different directions and he just needs to get orthodontics. It's fine. It's like not, it's not, it's fine. But with Carl, it was like, oh, his teeth were yellow. It's like, you're not taking care of your teeth, you know? like Rizzo's may just be an issue of like resources or whatever. So like, I wouldn't make fun of that. But, um, that, although we're like sitting here parsing when it's okay. It's like, I feel like you're not allowed to make fun of Rizzo. Um, but I wouldn't, honestly, I, something like that.

12:34Ben Mandelker: There's a reason why we haven't publicly said it because it's, that's just too mean because it seems like that, you know, but, um, but with, uh, but with, I feel like I noticed more when people put the veneers in and then everyone's always like, look, I finally got my perfect smile. And I'm always like, it looks 10 times worse.

12:51Ronnie Karam: Yeah, we've definitely judged people's redone teeth. And I think you're allowed. And that's another thing when people like you can't judge plastic surgery. Of course you can, because that's an art form. And I feel like what am I not allowed to judge ice skating anymore? Like, it's an art form, people work on it. And so when you get bad work, you get cheaper work. I feel like people are allowed to say that's bad work because we all aspire to get good work.

13:14Ben Mandelker: Yeah, and I kind of feel like if someone's teeth are misaligned or whatever, there's almost nothing to make fun of because that's just how your teeth grew in. And you get your Invisalign or whatever you're going to do, and you get it fixed, and that's just, I don't know, it's like having a bad hair day in a weird way. It's like you get a haircut, you fix it. Bad teeth day. Yeah. Oh, sorry, guys. Sorry, I'm late. I'm having a bad teeth day. But it's just like the crazy veneers. That's where it's like, okay, this was poor judgment. And we make fun of poor judgment. I'm surprised they're not better.

13:46Ronnie Karam: We saw someone on TV like last week and their veneers were on top. I mean, I guess veneers by nature. It was Carl. It was Carl? Their veneers were on top of their teeth? Is that what I'm saying? I don't know. A lot of people get veneers. Like, you know when someone gets a French manicure and it grows out and then you can see like the, I shouldn't be showing my nails. My nails are really bad. but you can see like that line. So it's like the nails down here, but then the fake nail is up here. No, no, not the nail. You know, where it's growing and they haven't filled it. We saw someone's teeth like that.

14:20Ronnie Karam: I was like, why'd they put your teeth down below your gum line? Maybe that wasn't Carl. I don't know who that was. I don't think it was Carl.

14:24Ben Mandelker: That's often the way dentures will look, you know? The point is that I feel like veneers have, there are just a lot of terrible veneers out there. They have not figured out veneer sciences yet. And so every time someone's like, I got my teeth looking, now I finally got my smile. I'm like...

14:44Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but you took mine away. Because I was smiling like this when you walked in, and then you walked in and I went like this. Yeah. Where's my smile? Why don't I have the right to smile? It's too much. It's distracting. You shouldn't get a new smile only from stealing other people's smiles.

14:59Ben Mandelker: And I think there's something actually nice about an imperfect teeth situation. Yeah, it's over. You know?

15:04Ronnie Karam: So Kelly, point is Kelly got new teeth. She calls Jarvis, thanks him. And Shamia is there with her. We didn't mention that because it's an extremely annoying part of it. But they're both wearing the same outfit from Aldo. And they're like, oh my God, we're hilarious. We're in the Laverne and Shirley. Which Ben hasn't seen. And they're obnoxious. So then we go to Drew's team meeting.

15:30Ben Mandelker: Wait, I just want to say, no. I do want to say something about Jarvis. I already don't trust this guy whatsoever. Okay. He paid$70 ,000 for her, for her veneers after a few months. And then while she's in there during recovery, he sends like giant bouquets in of flowers. And it's like anything he calls up, it's like anything for you, you know? I'm like, is this, this already is giving me love bombing feelings. Like, I do not believe this. I'm like, Kelly, when someone's giving you this much, it's so presentational. for TV. He doesn't want to be on TV, yet he's going to do these big gestures to sell himself on TV.

16:05Ronnie Karam: I'll take it. If you're going to bomb me with love, I'll take it. Like, you just got out of a toxic relationship.

16:10Ben Mandelker: I'm just saying, you got out of a toxic relationship. Please, please just have some scrutiny. Have some healthy scrutiny available. Muffin bomb me. Just bomb me with muffins. Croissant bomb me. Ice cream bomb me.

16:22Ronnie Karam: Yes. I mean, love bombing, yeah, I mean, look, that is a real thing that's not great, but if you're going to love bomb me and give me new teeth. Bombs away, bitch! I'll take it! I say, war's on. Go for it. I'm just saying I'm suspicious. I'm flagging it right now.

16:41Ben Mandelker: And Shamia's like,

16:42Ronnie Karam: oh, I hooked her up with him. Of course I'm going to hook her up with someone good. Do you think I'm going to hook up my new bestie with a brokie?

16:51Ben Mandelker: Yeah, well, maybe. Looking only for the right things. Well, you literally did hook up one of your besties with a brokie. is just it's the brokey was the girl in this situation oh that's true she's like would i ever would i ever connect my bestie with the brokey you literally just this man is now we're guy this guy's already have seventy thousand dollars out of the one man can't even date a woman for a couple

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20:09He was kind of like cross-eyed and he had like a hat or whatever. I mean, he just looked like a cartoon character. I was like, this is going to, what is this? So we find out that Drew has got like 20 assistants. How many? 15?

20:22Ronnie Karam: How many were there? Did they say 20?

20:23Ben Mandelker: I think in the room there was probably about like eight, but the producer says it was 20 people because there was probably a longer list that, but so she's having a team meeting for who knows what reason. She has, she has someone named Ozone who is her photographer. so she just has a photographer on staff. We have to help him. We have to repair him. Watch out for the holes in ozone. Do not stand on the wrong side of ozone. You will get skin cancer. Ozone has a real issue in Australia. It's like, I can't go to Australia.

20:53Ronnie Karam: Why would someone pick a name of something that's deteriorating? It's just so bizarre. It's also the lovely smell after it rains in a forest. It's ozone. Guys, the ozone is fucked. Don't name yourself after something that's fucked.

21:08Ben Mandelker: That's crazy. He's very delicate. If you turn on a car, he's going to suffer a little bit.

21:12Ronnie Karam: Yeah. He's like, I will be your assistant, but I cannot smell your hairspray.

21:17Ben Mandelker: So please just do that in another way. Can we get some more windmills? They need some green energy around here. So she has all these people here. She's got a music producer. I guess, are they talking about how they're going to take Drew, Sador to the next level? Maybe.

21:33Ronnie Karam: Well, listen, you're already a level. You got Ozone, the new music producer. that's definitely better than the hot dog guy

21:39Ben Mandelker: that was producing you last year, right? That's true. And the good news for Drew is she's already inherently at the next level because literally Ralph is down in the basement. So she's by definition always next level. So the producer is, yeah, like the TV producers asking like how many people are there? Like, yeah, it's 20 people. So that's a lot of people to have on your team just to support you as an artist. And so Kian. She's ridiculous. So Kion is like the manager, the big dog. And she's like, well, I'm really happy to be part of this team. And remember, there's no I in team. And I'm just, I'm a real collaborative kind of chick.

22:18Ben Mandelker: So let's have a meeting where you also demonstrate how collaborative you all are. Okay, who wants to start? So Drew's like, I've been acting since I was eight years old. So it's, you know, it's not something I take lightly. and in this new chapter I'm entering,

22:33Ronnie Karam: I definitely want to go for some bigger roles. You need more assistants. Definitely, definitely more assistants. That's the only way you're going to get new roles. Spend that money on acting class. Go to acting class. You need 30 assistants to be up to. I know, it's called Stella Adler.

22:48Ben Mandelker: Yes. Well, no, wait. Remember, Drew did do the Uta Hagen method. That's true. That's true. She went to Uta Hagen. She did go to Uta. Here's the thing. I love to punch down on Drew all the time because she has been so fraudulent you know with like drop of Drew and she's always lying etc and then she's you know her music career it's like okay when she was like oh my god LeBron listens to my music but the truth is like she has like a legitimate acting career like she has been acting since she was young and she's been in like many legitimate shows she's been in movies she was in the game she's not like no one right but but she also is like, I don't know.

23:31Ben Mandelker: She also is very funny.

23:33Ronnie Karam: I mean, I'm not, I'm not hitting her acting career. She's the one who's saying, I just want bigger acting roles. So I'm just saying like, if you want bigger acting roles, like you don't need more assistance. You need to go like, you need to do the work.

23:44Ben Mandelker: You need to do the work. You're not, not just like at a whole team. I think she's trying to like fake it till you make it. Like I've got this whole team. I'm going to feel like I'm an A-lister. If I feel like I'm an A-lister, then I'll be able to go up for those A-lister roles.

23:55Ronnie Karam: But I felt like an A-lister since I was five. Look at me. No, you are an A-lister. Right. I'm a gay lister. So they... A-list New York. Yeah. Throwback. A-list New York. God, that was a good show. Speaking of gays with sugar daddies, there was that guy on that show who was like some famous designer's boy toy. I forget who it was. That guy. All he had to do, he was like, listen, you can stay here. You can live with me. Be my lover. You can sleep with whoever you want. Just don't bring them to the house. and he started bringing him to the house and he got dumped. And that was like his big, he will never get over that.

24:32Ronnie Karam: He fucked that one up.

24:34Ben Mandelker: Yeah, well, he shouldn't get over that. Yeah, and I do wonder where Riken is these days. Riken, oh my gosh. The worst. So, um. Sorry, I will always remember this, seeing an interview with Riken. And he was like, you can tell everything about a man based off of his wrists. If I go into a bar and I look at a man's wrist, I know what I, depending on what watch it is, if he works out, if he's a good person, it's all based on his wrist. I'm like, oh God. And I've always thought about that ever since then. That's crazy. Their wrist. I know. Because of their watch. That's dumb. I think it was also like, it would also show how much they worked out.

25:16Ben Mandelker: You could see the veins, the vascularity.

25:18Ronnie Karam: Here's how you can tell about how a man is. how he eats, how he drives, how he fights with you. Those are the three things. He eats like I saw a guy last night at this restaurant. By the way, I love just being in New York and being around so many people. It's so nice because I never leave my house, you know. So I've left my house like every day this week and gone out and done stuff and eaten in restaurant. So there was this guy and he was actually really cute. And he was kind of like looking at me, which is really rare. So I was like, do I have something on my face, you know. And then he smiled and I was like, what a nice smile.

25:52Ronnie Karam: Then his food was delivered. Girl, when I tell you, this man had a knife. He was holding his knife like this and his fork like this. And he was like eating like that. And then he would get like a big chunk of something and be like, okay, eating dead. Then driving. I always say like, before you date someone, put a hidden camera in their car, because that's when you see someone's real inner bitch come out. You know how they are when some old lady cuts them off. Are they just like, oh God, there we go again. Or are they like, you goddamn god fitness you know luckily that's not road raging no you're not like that you're like this no i i love i love the honk at a bitch i love your honk even is like nice it's like

26:30Ben Mandelker: well i don't like to i don't i don't need to be obnoxious but they need to know like look alive

26:34Ronnie Karam: but you've seen like road ragey guys here it's like they look like they might be nice but then you see them pass by and they're cursing out some little old woman and i know sticking their hands out the window and then the first time you get into a fight see how the man reacts because it's going to be 10 times worse when any when any kind of shit goes down their fucking wrist get out of

26:51Ben Mandelker: here you fuck boy get out of here um i was just trying to see if any famous by the way i still

26:59Ronnie Karam: haven't found a man because no man passes all three of those tests we all fell at one of them i fell at all three of them frankly i eat like shit i drive like i'm really me you should see what i say to the old ladies in the car yeah i'll tell you what ronnie says and then

27:16Ben Mandelker: he just sings he just sings show tunes at them

27:19Ronnie Karam: okay so back to the scene so she's got all these assistants she's telling us how important that is and she's also been writing and doing music and Keon has managed lots of artists that I look up to and she's not only going to be able to take this career to the next level she's going to help me stay focused and on time and really organize this team I mean get an iPhone

27:42Ben Mandelker: you know what I mean Yeah, seriously. What were you looking up over there? You know, when you were talking, I sort of had this feeling like, I don't know, this has been my thing lately, which is like, I feel like today is the birthday of someone that's important for us as gay people. And it's important to us. I know I had this feeling, so I looked it up. It's Alanis Morissette's birthday today. Oh, yeah. It's also Marilyn Monroe's birthday. It's a pretty big one. That's a pretty big one for the gays. Yeah. And it's also Charlene's birthday. Charlene Woodley? Her name is just Charlene, and you may know her because Charlene is someone who, she's been to many places, but she's never been to me.

28:33Ronnie Karam: Oh, that's so nice. I've never been to her either because I didn't even know her name.

28:37Ben Mandelker: I've been to China.

28:38Ronnie Karam: That's a good song. Yeah. everywhere I could.

28:44Ben Mandelker: I moved like Harlow in Monte Carlo and showed him what I got. I've been undressed by kings and I've seen some things that a woman's not supposed to see. I've been to paradise but I've never been to me. Now if Shamia or Drew sang that song, did a cover of it, now we're talking a different story. Now we're talking number one hit and you've got all the gays.

29:12Ronnie Karam: I love Drew's music now because I have that one on my list, on my playlist. So then, okay, so Keon is like, okay, guys, I know it's not easy working with a lot of people. There's no judgment here, but what's the problem? And Drew's like, well, I would say a lot of times I don't even know the issue's going on. I just show up and then things are happening and I got to get to my job. And when I leave, there's things that happen and then I hear about it later. I mean, when Tavi is upset or Freedom is upset, I'm like, oh my God, we've upset Freedom now.

29:43Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Yeah. And so then Walter, the hairstylist, so of course a messy hairstylist is going to be the first one to get messy here. He's like, some old people need to be replaced. And then Drew's like, no, all of it needs to just get more organization and ebb and flow to where sometimes I got to work with people I don't like. And by the way, speaking of ebb and flow, some of you guys are really upset ebb and some of you guys are really upset flow.

30:05Ronnie Karam: So the most important person here that you've upset is Freedom. I just want to have a baby named Freedom and just hope one day they become like a jail

30:13Ben Mandelker: warden or something like crazy, you know? Well, you know, Freedom Williams is part of CNC Music Factory. Freedom Williams. I think it's Freedom Williams. You know? It's so boring, you know?

30:27Ronnie Karam: It's not a lame name. Freedom Williams, right? I just get pissed off at my parents in the middle of the day when I hear shit like this. Like, why don't I have to be a rondel? I'm so lame. There's a freedom out here. Freedom Williams. Freedom Williams is a, he was an important part of pop culture from 1990 to 1992. That's a cool name. I want a better name.

30:48Ben Mandelker: Oh, I thought you were saying his name was boring.

30:50Ronnie Karam: No, I'm saying my name is boring. I'm pissed off at my parents for giving me a shit name when there's people named Freedom out there. What the hell?

30:58Ben Mandelker: Well, you know what? Freedom's just another word.

31:00Ronnie Karam: Give me a name of something that people like. People like Freedom. Like, name me Coupon.

31:04Ben Mandelker: you could also be named nothing left to lose it's the same as freedom uh okay so freedom so anyway they're talking so drew is talking about like this guy says like well freedom some people need to be fired some of the old people need to be fired and then this guy walter he the hairstylist is like well i've been playing her assistant when i shouldn't have to because it's supposed to be a team but when you have somebody on the team that's lazy and not doing their job hint hint so then Danny, who's the driver and the assistant, he goes, now, hold on, hold on, hold on. Okay. I'm so sorry because what I'm not going to do is spell my name without an E because I'm spelled D-A-N-N-E-Y, everyone.

31:41Ben Mandelker: Danny. And I'm not going to sit here and let somebody tell me that I slack as an assistant because I can say she needs a new wig stylist because you have her wig lifting.

31:51Ronnie Karam: He's like, well, I can do your job better than you. It's like, nah, because you had a lot to say. And there's a lot of times you slip up on her hair and it looks terrible. She was like, wait a minute.

32:01Ben Mandelker: Like holding her hair. God, guys. And so Walter's like, please bring it up because the blogs have never said anything about her hair. And then Daniel's like, well, at the end of the day, you get assistance for assistance. And I don't get along with everybody. And some people may think I talk a little bit harder than whatever. And I can feel like they say some crazy stuff. I can say all sorts of stuff. And now Freedom speaks up. Freedom, who's been sitting there very primly in his chair. He's been sitting there with like perfect posture. Yeah, yes. And he's like, well, that's unprofessional, though.

32:31Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I like that Freedom was the voice of reason. You know, I felt like he was aptly named. His name really should have been Reason, then. Choco. Choco Reason, my favorite candy. Just ate a bag of them the other day. Why can't I lose weight? Eating whole bags of candy for the start of the day. So Freedom's like, yeah, that's unprofessional. And Danny says, oh, really? And you got put off the team how many times, Freedom? And he's like, that was then. This is now. This is new freedom. I'm back now. That was back when my name was oppression. And now I'm freedom. Okay, I'm back. Commercials. Here comes one right now.

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35:16Ben Mandelker: so uh then danny's like i thought so and freedom's like okay so i feel with danny we've had multiple breakdowns with conversation and we can be like talking and it just goes left and that's because you lack professionalism he's like well i think you lack a lot of stuff i'm like that was a very

35:32Ronnie Karam: professional response danny very professional like what boundaries my name is freedom well still and you just sit there and you get drunk at the job. I mean, let's be serious. He's like, well, now you are not going to take control over this conversation, burp.

35:46Ben Mandelker: That's what I was about to say. That's not a denial. So Danny's like, Freedom, you're barely on the team. He's like, I feel like Danny, he just gets very petty. He goes, Freedom, Freedom, Freedom. You lied and you dog Drew online. He's like, well, and I just feel like we start going all over the place. Where's Drew's old assistant, the messy ass old assistant? He should be in the mix too. Why is he not? Whatever his name was. Every one of these people has major problems. I was cracking up. And Danny's like, and then you just sat there. You know, there's a lot of stuff we could say, so just stop.

36:14And she was like, hold on. And then they start fighting. Where was the part? I guess they have a lot more fighting to go. Just in case it's not in here. There was one part where the guy just goes, you need to eat less.

36:30Ben Mandelker: Like these guys. I mean, like, honestly, they all should be fired. but clearly this was like Drew was angling to do a spinoff here and I think she succeeded quite frankly so Freedom's like you're a liar and Dan's like I told Drew what have I said I said Drew I do not want to work with him and I said it to you multiple times and Freedom's like okay you're over here looking like a double stuffed Oreo baby you need to eat less there it is sorry you're looking like a double stuffed Oreo you need to eat less so funny i like that at first i was like oh my god freedom's so sweet and freedom's like eat less so kian's like okay this is becoming demeaning and it's not informative okay let everyone just be professional freedom you can put down that bottle of schlitz okay but i just don't understand why it's so hard like i can't think about performing if i gotta deal with you guys fighting

37:24Ronnie Karam: true you do not need 20 assistance assistance on the set of the tubi stop i know there was a situation in Chicago where I was performing and I took a flight. When I landed, I heard that there was an altercation and that should never happen. Oh my god. How are you flying? How many people go to Drew's shows that she's flying all these people out there?

37:42Ben Mandelker: Exactly. This is crazy. Exactly. And it was a Candice show, right, where Drew came out and was like and that's it, right?

37:50Ronnie Karam: Yes. Candice is like, I've got a very special guest and her name is Drew Sidoria. And Drew's like, thank you. thank you everybody so Drew says firing people is not my forte I'm very loyal and I feel like everyone served an important purpose in my life but I know that sometimes like it can get like a little too crowded and I need to make sure I have a team that's really there for me and if you don't respect me and the business I have then I need to figure out who needs to go and who needs to stay I was like

38:19Ben Mandelker: Drew's doing the I don't want to fire anyone I'm loyal which means that Keon's gonna she's gonna make Keon fire people yes of course that's why you get the new manager that's what celebrities do that way they're always the good guys. So look out, everyone. By the way, you've got a message from my agent. Be nice if you check your voicemail every once in a while. So now we go

38:41Ronnie Karam: to Brasserie Lundy. And this is the big sit-down with Pinky, Kay, Michelle, Cynthia, and Portia. Dun, dun, dun. So Kay, Michelle, and Portia are really sweet to each other to start. Hello, you look very pretty. She's like, you look very pretty, too.

39:00Ben Mandelker: And it's like very, you know, it's like tense and everything. And then it starts to thunder and rain outside. It's a sign. So, okay, Michelle's like, you know, God is an awesome God. And I feel like that was him saying be a bigger person. I love it. You know, it's fine when people, if there's like a thunder, that's funny. It's fine to be like, oh, it's a sign of something. But I don't think God thundering was necessarily be like, be a bigger person. It was, this was harso.

39:30Ronnie Karam: I mean, they like sat down. It was like, oh, boom. And this just starts pouring down.

39:34Ben Mandelker: That's gossip. They're like, stop, go home. Yeah. So, so Pinky and Cynthia are there. They're going to bring everyone together.

39:42Ronnie Karam: And they're like, you guys need to talk. We're going to another table. Like, wait, this is a setup. Like, well, you got to do it. So, K. Michelle's like, well, you know, Portia says, wait, hold on.

39:54Ben Mandelker: Wait, most importantly, what's strange about this is that Portia and Kay Michelle, they're at a table for four. And since the other two have left, they are now left. They're sitting kitty corner to each other. And I found that this was an awkward seating arrangement for this entire scene. They weren't like in front of each other. They weren't next to each other.

40:14Ronnie Karam: You're trying to like come together. You won't even agree on a side. Yeah. So Portia's like, okay, what's going on? And Kay says, I don't know. You know, I've just, I want to talk and I want to hear you and listen to you. I just don't feel like you listen to me. She's like, well, I already closed off the conversation because everybody had brought it to me already, but it wasn't a conversation you had with me. And she's like, you know what? I'll say that was wrong of me. And I'll take that one. Yeah, but like you also revealed at the table that like you felt like you'd been set up and you felt like, you know, I was going to expose you and all that.

40:48Like, and if you just would have said to me, then I could have talked to you about it. I could have told you the timetable and how I was going to do it. And then you could have been ready for it. I don't know why you just didn't talk to me first.

40:57Ronnie Karam: So, okay, Michelle's like, listen, you have to understand the first day I come into this, I get this tit and tatting from you and the, you know, the sleeping with a married preacher and all of this stuff. And Portia's like, oh, well, you're going to see a lot more than that. Okay. But you'll find your way in this group. Just like, oh, you think I'm bad? Just wait. Okay. This is all of us. This is our job. Okay. It's like you're coming in and being like, well, I came in and you expected me to do word processing. I made the phone ring and you asked me to answer it. Yeah. Or you think you're working.

41:29Ben Mandelker: Yeah. So, Portia's like, look, K. Michelle came in and she saw the scene. And what she doesn't realize is that, like, I was getting my lick back. It wasn't like I was just starting up with Kelly. Kelly already started up with me. And I was just retorting, essentially. And she's like, yeah, you know, Kelly is being on her hands and knees and not praying to a pastor or a married pastor. It has nothing to do with K. Michelle. so let's move on. So they basically like, you know, K. Michelle's like, okay, I understand your point of view and I just want you to understand me as well and you know, there's no hate coming for me whatsoever.

41:59Ben Mandelker: Sure. Yeah, exactly. Like this is the second time she's done this. So Portia basically says that she's like, yeah, the third time this happens it might be a closed door. So then Cynthia and Pinky are able to like, you know, they're watching and they come back and then they all do sort of like a joint fist bump to be like, yay, we've all, we've, we've, we've settled everything and we're all going to be, we're all going to be friends.

42:25Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So then, um, they start talking about the friendship contracts. They're like, you guys need to make a friendship contract. And Cynthia's like, this group is fractured. And then we go to Pinky and she's like, okay, so how are we going to get to the bottom of this scheme that you're talking about? And Portia's like, the scheme. The scheme of the plots. And she's like, okay, come on, Kay, let that go. And Kay's like, why, basically? And she goes, you really think, come on, Drew has not been here. And she's like, well, why are you going to do that, Portia? And she's like, well, Phaedra hasn't said two words about you in a bad way.

43:06She's like, Portia, you know, Portia, when it comes to Drew, people feel like, oh, everyone's picking on Drew, this and that, but she puts herself in those type of things. Like, basically, is what I'm saying is, there was an effort to find information about me and expose me, and there were three parties that were part of it. And I've talked to each party, Phaedra, Ms. Portia, and Drew, and I feel like Drew is lying about what she's got going on.

43:28Ronnie Karam: Okay, so you've talked to everybody and they've been vindicated? Then doesn't that mean that your initial information might be wrong? Yeah. If you were told that three people were guilty of this and you found out on your own that two of them are not guilty, wouldn't you question the person that told you in the first place?

43:46Ben Mandelker: Madame? Yeah, so then she starts talking about, you know, like, she starts building her case. You know, there was the rumor about those. I'm thinking, what is she going to add this week? Because every week it's something. Yeah. She's like, you know, I just met you, and now it's about my toes. And like, what about your toes? She goes, well, they said my toes were long. So now she's mad because someone said something. And they were long. Okay, so what? Who cares? What are you talking about? How's that a plot? I know. Long ass toes. So then they start talking about black and everything, and Portia's like, does Drew like to get tea on people?

44:29Because, yeah, she has a long issue of doing that to someone who doesn't like it, or feels like she's coming at him, and is she doing that to Kay? Because I just don't see the motive.

44:38Ronnie Karam: Yeah, like I said, I don't necessarily put it past Drew, but none of this matters anyway because she didn't do it yet.

44:47Ben Mandelker: Yeah. It's hard to know. It's hard to know because it seems like Kay Michelle is whipping up whipping herself into a frenzy. Yeah.

44:55Ronnie Karam: And the examples she's coming up with are crazy. Like saying oh and Drew is trying to make it look like I know her friend. No you made it look like you knew her friend when you said when he was on the phone. You're like oh hey it's so nice to see you. Hi how are you? That's what made it. she didn't say you fucked the friend she just said you know him

45:14Ben Mandelker: so weird so Portia's like you know we're going to clear the record I've not done anything to look up any information on you you haven't done anything to me so I sure wish whoever told you this stuff would make themselves known and K. Michelle is like well all of you need to know exactly what I'm talking about but I will hold the feet to the fire of the person who created that and that is Drew Tubi Sedora although there's nothing wrong with Tubi I like Tubi I watch Tubi

45:41Ronnie Karam: so she says she's not in a hateful place she's just wondering where drew's coming from and um she's like at least i made up with borsha so they you know they're like yeah we did it one lunch at a time so now we go to angela and shamia meeting dun dun dun the big meeting of the episode yes and shamia already loses this one coming in i mean shamia come on you're taking credit you're taking lines from Married to Medicine, first of all, which, stop it. She just starts it off with, oh, now I have to talk with Angela and her big old feet, and she goes to the hostess, and she's like, do you have someone in here with big hands and big feet?

46:21Ronnie Karam: Because I'm supposed to meet her. She's got a size 12 shoe. Shut me up.

46:25Ben Mandelker: Come on, man. It's shitty. So Angela's like, well, I just want to get to the bottom of the tension between us, and you know, at Phaedra's event, it was I think you could cut it. And Shamil's like, yeah, and that's so unfortunate, Angela, because I feel like just when I'm getting to know you and we're growing a friendship and some sort of bond, it's like hot, cold. And then in Dallas, you were the one saying I was stirring things up in the group. And even after Kay said it wasn't me, you were still like, you, you, you. So it almost feels like you're picking at me.

46:55Ronnie Karam: Why do you always think you're the victim? You're not always the victim. Give me a break. She's like, oh, really? Well, you even said that you had a gift, a girl, a gift. And she's like, well, my discernment. She goes, well, your discernment was off. And she goes, well, I still believe it. I don't care. And she goes, use your discernment to sell some houses. Use your discernment to tell you about the drama that you've had with other people. Your discernment is very off with me, Bigfoot.

47:20Ben Mandelker: So then they're like, they're getting tense. And then the waitress comes over. She's like, hello, can I offer you guys some kebabs? We serve kebabs here. Which, by the way, I would never come to this place and be like, oh, this is a kebab place. The waitress did the heavy lifting. She was so funny. some of the waiters on these shows, you know, we've talked about, we always talk about the waiters, but this one was so good. Every time they would scream, she'd come up and be like, hi, how are you doing? Have you thought about those kebabs more? Yeah. Any more time to think about the salmon kebabs?

47:51Ben Mandelker: But don't worry, Shamia has a really funny line here. She goes, she's talking about kebabs and all I'm thinking about is bobbing and weaving them big hands and them big feet under the table. Hello, do you not see him up against Sasquatch? I mean, Shamia, I don't know why you're not a bigger star myself. I mean, kebabs, those kebabs, the kebab joke, and then tying it into Sasquatch. I mean, wow. Killing it. Sasquatch.

48:19Ronnie Karam: Oh, my God. So Angela says, well, you know, first of all, you're not that high on the Richter scale for me to be bothered. She goes, oh, really? Well, then stop being bothered then. She's like, well, I'm not, but you continue to talk about me. You said I broke up your friendship. And she's like, I'm not bringing up Porsche. I'm not here to talk about Portia. I'm here to talk about me and you. We're not talking about Portia. And she's like, I'm talking about you.

48:40Ben Mandelker: She's like, Shamia, why do you keep putting my name in your mouth? She's like, you're saying you're blaming me for this shit. And Shamia's like, well, why do you keep saying I'm stirring things up with Kay Michelle? She goes, well, did you tell Kay how we, you and I initially fell out? She goes, no, actually, I didn't. She goes, well, you didn't tell her. And we see a flashback to the reunion where they fought. And so Angela's like, every time she's confronted with how she made someone feel, she evades accountability. And Shamia's like, I think it's weird that Angela was able to forgive someone that said she's sleeping with her husband.

49:11Ben Mandelker: And I just laughed and I apologized for it. And she was able to forgive for the Phaedra fiasco. And that was false. And yet she's still mad at me. What's really going on, sis?

49:19Ronnie Karam: And she's like, who's, Shamia says, you're touched. And she's like, whose mind are you using? You conjuring up Porsches? Are you conjuring up candy? She goes, oh, you can't even get Portia out of your mouth and you don't even know candy. And she goes, well, I don't have to. I know you're trying to be like candy.

49:36Ben Mandelker: Nice try, sucker. And also, good point. So Shamia's basically like, hey, it's just one of those girls who's like ponytails, like long, would fan out in elementary school and she'd pick on the other girls that were cute, you know, and she was mad for no damn reason. I was like, I don't know. Oh, God. I was like, I'm so jealous of you and your fucking. I was like, thank you for welcoming us into your childhood trauma. She's like, you know that. You know how that is, right? I was like, I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, that girl with the ponytail that flares out. Oh, okay. Are you exercising a demon right now?

50:06Yeah.

50:07Ben Mandelker: So Angela's like, well, you don't have your own identity. You know, you wish you were cute, and she's the one talking about how someone's so ugly all the time. She's ridiculous. I just can't get behind Shamia. Well, I think that's ultimately why Angela's not fucking with her, is because she can excuse all those other women, because those women are being authentic in her eyes, And I think that she sees Shamia as someone who's not authentic. So like she doesn't know, she doesn't know where she'll ever stand with Shamia because she doesn't know really what Shamia is about. So I think that's why there is that.

50:37Ronnie Karam: And I think she's also just making calls on Shamia that are correct. I mean, what she said about her last year was correct and it wasn't even that big of a deal. She's just like, you're using people to get this relationship with Portia, like this fight with Portia going. I mean, she did do that. She was going to everybody like, Oh, Portia, you know, Portia's not very nice. and then trying to turn everybody on Portia. And then the stuff she said this year, I think it's true too. I do think it was Angela and, not Angela, I do think it was Kelly and Shamia who were like, you know, Drew's looking stuff up on you.

51:09Ronnie Karam: Drew's looking up your vagina smell on the internet.

51:12Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I would not be surprised. This show. So then, so Angela's like, Angela's like, I'm mad that I'm not getting any kebabs. I came here to eat, not argue, I just don't have kebabs.

51:25Ronnie Karam: So Angela's like, well, you heard that girl singing. That's what you want to do. You want an EGOT. So get a hit first. You need a hit first before an EGOT. And to me, it's like, I do want an EGOT. And I don't want to be like Angela, who doesn't have anything. She goes, oh, I'm self-made. I never laid on my back to get on my feet. That's what you do. She's like, oh, really? Because I understand why your husband leaves in the morning and doesn't come back until you take your ass to sleep. And she goes, really?

51:50Ben Mandelker: Does he? Because I see why you leave home and don't come back. She's like, oh, I would. I would leave your ass, too. Why don't you work on your house? Well, why don't you leave home and come back? What? Why? When my husband is outside, he sees your ass in the street.

52:06Ronnie Karam: And she's like, then try to keep him home. How about that? She's like, Shamio, let's talk about the Falcons or the Hawks. She's like, I'm a great host. Host? Why are you sticking around so long? She's like, girl, my God, because it pays well. She's like, oh, really? Why are you sticking around?

52:21Ben Mandelker: It doesn't. It doesn't. And you probably should get one of those jobs because the real estate isn't working for you. She's like, I have multiple businesses. The men pay. Well, do you not understand that I have a sample from Fangy here with me right now? Look.

52:35Ronnie Karam: Yeah, she had her Fangy. And she goes, really? Well, someone's not going to continue. I'm someone who's not going to continue a conversation with Sasquatch. And so she gets up. By the way, her outfit is so incredibly crazy. She's wearing this bodysuit that looks like, it's like big business like what do we come to the office dressed like a blood clot yeah uh she looks it's a bruise basically so she gets up and she goes sasquatch enough to walk over your ass and she's like you shouldn't be wearing your white heels you should not be wearing white heels and she goes oh yeah i could walk all over you she goes yeah you can kiss this fake ass and she walks off and she goes girl what that fake ass go buy another booty asshole so now shamia now they do

53:18Ben Mandelker: very old school sort of on-the-fly confessionals. Yes, I love this.

53:24Ronnie Karam: Do your confessional by the car.

53:26Ben Mandelker: Yeah, and Shamia's like, that girl can't even get her own shit straight. She said I'm outside because her husband sees me out. Your husband's outside if he's seen me. That's actually a good point. The husband's like, well, I saw her at the club. Well, what were you doing at the club, sir? Well, the thing is, Shamia's the one who said that Charles goes out first, and then Angela's like, well, you went out too. And I know, so that's stupid. It's actually, they didn't actually make any really great points. They just were going for whatever they could grasp for in that moment. They were like falling down.

53:53Ronnie Karam: But I will say, I like that Angela can read anybody and do it well. She can win every time. She does every time. I feel like Angela wins every time, even if she speaks nonsense half of the time. And Angela can win. And she goes, she goes, what are we running for? Stick around. She called me Sasquatch. Girl, you sleep with Sasquatch every night. Tell your husband to look in the mirror. I mean, hey, the face don't lie. Oh. Yeah, I think Angela won that one handily. So that is the end of that.

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