#3389 RHORI S1E10 Part One: Homeless Not Truthless

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3:06Ben Mandelker: And free, ad-free listening, all that great stuff. And videos. You can actually watch us in this beautiful set here. And today we are talking about Real Housewives of Rhode Island. We did not recap last week's because we were on break. but it was a, it was a big old fun episode. Um, Ronnie, what are, what are you thinking? What are your thoughts?

3:27Ronnie Karam: That was a really good episode. It was a rough one to miss, but God, it was worth it.

3:31Ben Mandelker: It was worth it because, um, I'm really, I've not been loving Kelsey all season. And I'm like, I need something that was going to help me. I need something to help me like really start to solidify why I don't like her. And I think how that episode opened was with her mashing her garbage down with her barefoot.

3:52Ronnie Karam: With her barefoot. What the hell?

3:54Ben Mandelker: When I saw that, I was like, Ben, please remember this. Remember this for next week. Remember, you have seven days to remember this. And I'm so happy I made it to seven days. And I was like, I have to say this. I know it's not the lead of the episode. There are bigger things that happen. That was a pretty big one. But I feel like, were people even talking about that? I thought it was going to be a meme. I thought it was going to be a thing. Like, look at this girl. She just put that barefoot in her garbage.

4:13Ronnie Karam: That was disgusting. I mean, talk about somebody who's never had to do anything by herself.

4:18Ben Mandelker: Yeah.

4:18Ronnie Karam: Like, who does that? It's like when Catherine from Southern Charm got some new apartment in the city that, I don't know who was paying for that. Some rich guy was paying for that, I think, on the plot of the show. And she moved into this new place, and we saw her take out the trash. And she just took the trash can and turned it upside down into the dumpster with no trash bag or anything. It's like, it was almost, this one was worse because it was the barefoot on top of the trash.

4:50Ben Mandelker: But also like you're, you work in like the beauty space. And I just feel like, I don't know if I want someone touching my hair who like just puts their foot into garbage. I don't know why it's two different body parts.

5:02Ronnie Karam: It is two different.

5:03Ben Mandelker: But like, it's just like the, but it's the standards. It's like the standards, you know.

5:06Ronnie Karam: If you'll put your foot in the garbage, where will you put your hands?

5:09Ben Mandelker: Yeah. And then that foot's walking around. That's what it's like. It's like garbage footprints all over your. Yeah, you're getting that shit all over your house. Yeah, I don't want that.

5:16Ronnie Karam: It's like people who make you take your shoes off in the house because they don't want you to track shit from the street into your house, which I get. But then those feet, it's just disgusting. So there was another scene with her and Billy, her new boyfriend, her quote unquote new boyfriend, the guy that she's been banging for a long time now. And they go on a date with Liz and her husband and Joellen. It's like a triple couples date. and Kelsey is sitting there talking about how she's still getting everything paid for by the ex and Bill's trying to assert his manhood and he's like I don't like that guy paying for all this stuff for you you know that's not cool I'm your man you know what I'm a man and I'm a man who loves a bargain if you've got an ex who wants to pay for shit that I don't have to pay for I'm in for it who's not who's not into that also Billy you don't have any money that's the first time She's never dated a poor person.

6:08Ronnie Karam: Like, what do you think you're going to pay for her health insurance and her car and her this and her that? No, you're going to try and make her downsize into like a Toyota and, you know, get her on the cheapest HMO plan and shit. No.

6:20Ben Mandelker: Billy, when she comes to you and she's like, my foot is infected from stepping in the garbage too much. Do you want to be the one who has to pay those medical bills?

6:26Ronnie Karam: You don't want to be the one to pay for that. And also we found out that she had like a brain. She had a brain. Was that last week or this week? This week she talked about. She mentions. She had a brain thing, like a brain tumor. that scared me like you just go to the doctor like for you yeah she um it was like an accidental

6:44Ben Mandelker: a car accident but you know what happened to my friend too my friend fell off of a hammock and so she went to the hospital because her her husband at the time was afraid that she may have had a concussion and so when they checked her out for a concussion they discovered that she had a

6:57Ronnie Karam: brain tumor it's crazy it's scary so is that something we should just go check for i mean it's

7:04Ben Mandelker: probably that's probably a good uh good reason to get one of those like full body scans it's like i kind of want to get a full body scan because it's like they offered us that and we said no you said they were problematic so well that was like an rfk thing and i was like i'm not doing any medical thing that's associated with rfk i'm sorry it wasn't called rfk what was it called it was like his best friend's i don't remember but it was his it was like his friend's medical company and i was

7:25Ronnie Karam: like was it like the pro new prenuvo or whatever it wasn't that that's jeff lewis's thing but this

7:30Ben Mandelker: with something else entirely and at first i was excited to do it and then i was like oh i just don't i feel like rfk gives me the ick well yeah yeah yeah you know but like a full body scan i mean he's not going to be there no i know i just was like someone i don't know someone who medically is like down with rfk i'm just not sure i trust what they're gonna have to say to me well i'm not

7:53Ronnie Karam: sure i trust my full body scan god knows what's in there i feel like there's gum from like the fifth grade still floating around in there yeah i'm scared cigarette butt but anyway the point is

8:05Ben Mandelker: so they did go on this like triple date and the the most relevant part of that was that they started talking about um alicia and whether or not she was actually homeless and so joellen's uh joellen's man carrie he was like no i knew her she wasn't homeless oh no she wasn't homeless no i no she wasn't homeless then they're like yeah that's why i know she wasn't homeless like yeah she wasn't homeless. They're all saying, yeah, she wasn't homeless.

8:27Ronnie Karam: you're not homeless. You're not coming up with my windshield and spraying it without me giving you consent. You're not homeless. All right? There's homelessness and there's homeless. You guys, you get what she's saying. She was a little kid. Her dad left them. He took their home from them. They had to move in with family. Yeah,

8:44Ben Mandelker: they didn't have a, in that moment, they were not, they were displaced. But like, and I understand why, why, what's her face? Liz is like, a little perturbed by it because it's like to say you're homeless, you're going to be earning a lot of sympathy that maybe is not earned. It's not like you were literally out on a sidewalk. You were not like, you weren't like in a car, but they were displaced and it was traumatic for them. And so, but like Liz is essentially saying, you know, there are people who are in much worse situations and you're going to kind of be, you're on TV now and you're saying that and you're going to be gaining so much more sympathy.

9:23Ben Mandelker: It's like when Bethany said it, It wasn't cool when Bethany said it either.

9:25Ronnie Karam: Well, that was different because Bethany was literally in a luxury hotel. Yeah, that was great. And homeless. And complaining about it to her driver in her gigantic car.

9:32Ben Mandelker: I'm the wealthiest homeless person in all of New York City.

9:34Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so that was different. I mean, Alicia, I think it's different with Alicia.

9:39Ben Mandelker: But the core of it's the same in that, like, you know, she's saying, like, it's not cool to sort of appropriate this sort of status.

9:47Ronnie Karam: Oh, stop gatekeeping homelessness. Not you. No, no, but it's not.

9:50Ben Mandelker: No, but meaning that like it's it's like you're you weren't on the street and like she was kicked out.

9:56Ronnie Karam: Her dad took their house and had to move in with family. I mean, if she didn't say that part, if she was like, no, no, we were homeless. OK, then she would be lying. But to say like I she said, I had to leave my house as a very small child and had to move in with family. She's not saying she was on the street. She's look, I don't I'm not mad at Alicia.

10:13Ben Mandelker: I'm just saying like I understand why Liz was like, you shouldn't be saying that because you're really you're implying something. Let it go.

10:19Ronnie Karam: I agree. It's like you're arguing with somebody who has a very limited vocabulary. You know what I mean? You can't expect Alicia to know a lot of words. She doesn't know a lot of words. She knows cracker, haas. She doesn't know very many words. Just let her have it. Oh, I agree. And this gatekeeping of homelessness is annoying too. It's like, well, what is real? I don't know. It's like all of you just said. I don't think it's really gatekeeping. I think it's just more like she's saying. You're not homeless enough. Well, I think it's just saying like, if you look, the good news is she was, she was neither homeless nor was she toothless.

10:55Ben Mandelker: So those are two good things for her. That's great. But I think that, uh, ultimately I understand like that's Liz's bone to pick. I do think though, that it's like, she just has to drop it because it's just, it's, it's like, we all understood what Alicia meant. We didn't, she used the wrong word. Probably. Yeah. Maybe she should have said displaced.

11:16Ronnie Karam: You can't play semantics with somebody who doesn't know the word semantics. You know what I mean?

11:21Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Well, and speaking of which, we also had last week, we had basically Shark Tank with Alicia, where she wanted to make a pitch to Billy as to why she should have ownership of Pizzeria Mama. Pizza Mama. Pizza Mama.

11:36Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I came up with the idea for Pizza Mama, like I should own a pot of Pizza Mama.

11:39Ben Mandelker: Pizza Mama. It's not Pizzeria Mama, that's way too fancy. Pizza Mama.

11:42Ronnie Karam: Yeah, you give it a lot of credit there. I know.

11:44Ben Mandelker: So she does this whole presentation with her daughter. What's the daughter's name again?

11:49Ronnie Karam: Mama.

11:49Ben Mandelker: Mama. Little mama. Dada. Pizza chip. Dada. Dada. D-O. D-A.

11:55Ronnie Karam: I love my Dada.

11:56Ben Mandelker: Dada. And she does this presentation and it's like a science fair experiment in sixth grade. She has like the foam core. She actually literally got like the science fair thing that folds open and the daughter's there. And she's like, okay, press play. It was so funny. But the thing that was crazy was I thought actually several of her ideas were very good.

12:15Ronnie Karam: You know, her ideas were like, okay, first of all, we got to make the employees hotter. So I want them to dress cuter. So we got to get them hotter clothes. We're going to have to, the waitresses are going to dress hot. He's like, okay, I'm down for that. Who doesn't want to, you know, you're bringing sexual harassment back into the workplace. Can we call them toots? Yeah, call them toots. They like that.

12:35Ben Mandelker: Also, chandeliers. Yeah. Oh, actually, I think she'd already put in the chandeliers. She's like, you know, when I came into Pizza Mama, it was my big idea, chandeliers. That was it. Because like the chandeliers make it like an elevator thing. And that was me. I came with chandelier.

12:49Ronnie Karam: Boom. Give me 50 % of that company. No, we should get a chandelier. I'll take half this business. Thank you. And I also like when she said, oh, yeah. So you know what? It's like a romantic place for girls. You know, it's a pizza place for girls. So like we should have like hearts. You know, the pizza should be shaped like a heart.

13:06Ben Mandelker: I think that's a good idea. I think a heart-shaped pizza is really good.

13:09Ronnie Karam: I don't think it'll cook evenly. There's things you have to think about. There's a reason a pizza's fucking round.

13:18Ben Mandelker: I think I've seen heart-shaped pizza.

13:20Ronnie Karam: Well, was it raw in the middle?

13:22Ben Mandelker: Well, isn't that love? Probably. Isn't that what heart-shaped pizza should be? That's true love. But I think it's actually a great idea. People will get it for Valentine's Day. But also, I think people will get it as a novelty. You know there'll be someone who will go, oh yeah, a heart-shaped pizza, that might be fun. I don't know.

13:37Ronnie Karam: I mean, imagine cutting it, like who gets a bigger piece. Like, it's just an awkward thing. You can figure it out. You can figure it out. I should just make them personal pan. So that only, you know, you can only get a personal sign. And then, you know, it's like you're celebrating a lot, but only single people get it.

13:52Ben Mandelker: Yeah, or several pan pizzas put together in a heart formation.

13:56Ronnie Karam: Oh.

13:57Ben Mandelker: It's very small, tiny pizzas. No, I just remember -

14:01Ronnie Karam: Like two round pizzas with just a slice at the bottom that can make a heart, kind of.

14:05Ben Mandelker: Yeah. I mean honestly I think that like I mean her ideas were not like okay put her on Forbes 500 but like her ideas were like not terrible well how are you gonna

14:14Ronnie Karam: reinvent a pizza place it's a fucking pizza place yeah

14:16Ben Mandelker: you know but like she's gonna find a way to do it so that was her thing

14:20Ronnie Karam: she's gonna find a way to get that 10 % and good for her good for her and Billy was like yeah sure she's like okay so he's like I love your ideas well first it started contentiously because she's like you know like what do you want me and my daughter to have nothing like when you leave me he's like no he's like when i die everything goes who nobody i don't get it no she yeah she was like yeah she

14:41Ben Mandelker: thought she was gonna get it he's like no i'm not giving it to you no he said he was gonna give

14:44Ronnie Karam: everything to him her and her daughter and she was like she cut him off and was like no no no you're not like she was ready to fight with him but i don't know if he was just very aware that he was on tv but he was like what are you talking about i'm not i'm gonna leave you everything when i pass like oh no you're not no you're not and then he's like he said he had systems in place

15:03Ben Mandelker: to make sure it would go forward. Yeah, he says, like, I've done estate planning,

15:05Ronnie Karam: and I've done this. She goes, oh, yeah, you've done estate planning to, like, leave me nothing? What's that? He goes, listen, I don't really think you understand what we're talking about, so you're getting upset. She goes, oh, really? Now I don't understand? You're leaving me homeless with nothing? He's like, lady.

15:19Ben Mandelker: He literally don't understand English right now. And then she's like, I want 50%. He's like, okay.

15:24Ronnie Karam: Well, 10.

15:25Ben Mandelker: Oh, she said 10?

15:26Ronnie Karam: Yeah, she said 10. Oh, 10. I said 50 earlier, but I was being ridiculous. Yeah, she wanted 10, and he's like, okay, I'll give you 10. I was like, girl, you could have gotten so much more than 10. But then she wrote into her own contract, if she works, she wrote. I was like, why'd you add that? Why are you negotiating against yourself, Lee?

15:42Ben Mandelker: Well, I don't know if that contract will hold up in a court of law, considering it was written on a notepad with a troll doll pencil. So then the big climactic thing, which was pretty epic, is that they all were going to drive up to Boston. Shockingly, they were not going to Newport again. And they went going up to Boston because Rich was doing his Frank Sinatra cabaret thing. So they were going to drive up and they're going in sessions. Oh, by the way, if you want to know if Rula was going to go with. No, she wasn't because Rula doesn't do shit. Rula does not show up. People were upset. You know, they had the seating arrangement for this show for the reunion and Rula got like second seat.

16:24Ben Mandelker: And people like this is bullshit. Rula should be first. Rula is like it's been all about rule. I'm like, I'm sorry. Rula does not deserve first seat she has to show up now I heard from someone that Rula was originally supposed to be a friend of and because of everything with Brian she got elevated to real housewife status which would explain why she's not showing up to a lot of stuff because she probably wasn't intended to it but like Rula is like nowhere to be found and like that's the joke with her is that she's like working remotely on this show and she really is like she's she's in one scene every episode and that's it like today she got her one scene but she's not doing group events at all, which is

17:01Ronnie Karam: crazy. One scene last week was really funny. She was walking on the beach and she's like, oh my god, what a shock. My neighbor, Amanda. And Amanda's like, oh my god, Joellen's such a bitch, right? She's like, yeah. Tell him. Tell the people. Tell him. What a crazy coincidence to see Amanda here to badmouth Joellen.

17:20Ben Mandelker: That cracked me up. So anyway, they're gonna go to watch Rich do his Frank Sinatra. So in one car, we have four people in this car. We have Alicia, Liz, Joellen, and a charcuterie platter. I was going to say, I don't remember a fourth. A charcuterie platter that might as well be a fourth cast member. Because basically, I think they started at, I don't remember whose house they started at. Maybe Alicia's or Joellen's. wherever they start, there's like this massive, massive charcuterie tray. And they decide they got this whole tray and they've got to drive. They're like, let's just bring it into the car.

18:03Ben Mandelker: And already I was like, what are you doing? It's going to get everywhere, you know? So Liz is in the back and Joellen and Alicia are, Liz is in the back back. Liz and Joellen are in the back seats. And they're holding this charcuterie tray and they're balancing it carefully. And they're going over bumps. And like Joellen's drink is spilling on the cheese. and everything. And I was just like, I guess we should pack this up, huh? Why don't we pack it up? And so they're just balancing this thing. Things are like falling on the floor and everything. So that alone made this hilarious the way they were like stewarding this charcuterie tray.

18:40Ronnie Karam: I like finally Joe Allen put it on two of the armrests to balance it. And they're like, oh my God, that's so smart. But why don't we think of that? That's so smart. You're so smart. You're so smart. You're so smart. So smart.

18:51Ben Mandelker: So just like the balancing and why they did not put it in Tupperware is hilarious to me. But they're navigating with that. And then they're talking, like Joellen and Alicia are talking about who knows what. And then Liz is like, I can't see your faces. I haven't seen the back of your heads. I don't like it back here. So now, of course, Liz and Joellen swap from the backpack. And I was like, Liz is that sort of person. She's like, she's not a, do not put her in the backpack. Not because she's claustrophobic, but she's like, you're not going to make me you're not gonna make me have the the worst seat on tv like i'm gonna get the best seat at all

19:28Ronnie Karam: times yeah stare at your behind the ear scars or whatever like so they get in there and then immediately they start fighting because alicia is upset that liz keeps saying that she's not

19:39Ben Mandelker: homeless and she's like liz starts off by like quote unquote apologizing liz is like i just want to say i shouldn't this i i shouldn't have uh i shouldn't have questioned you not being homeless so it's like an apology but then she goes she like then yeah she's like you know i shouldn't

19:52Ronnie Karam: question you have being homeless the thing is you would never homeless you're out of home everybody knows you're out of home i don't know what you think i'm gonna not homeless and then she starts she just gets so worked up about it it's like everything she gets so worked up on everything i mean this episode this new episode i was finally like oh she's just completely blitzed out of her mind i think it's a mix because that that party at her own house where she's like see Seawall. All I want to do is go to the sea wall. Sea wall. The ongoing. Crazy. And then we had that one. And then we've had this one.

20:30Ronnie Karam: And then we have the next one, this episode we're doing today, where she's just completely bonkers. And her eyes are like literally crossing. There was one point where her eyes went like this. They like shook. They both went. They both blitzed out in opposite directions. And I was like, oh, my God, what drug is that? Because I've done all the drugs. And I love to read pupils. Like, that's one of my favorite things to do on these Bravo shows is figure out everybody's drug regimen from their pupils. And I couldn't even read hers. I was like, is she on some new shit? Because I've never seen anybody's eyes do that.

21:00Ben Mandelker: Well, whatever she's making in that lab must be really working. Those were not weed eyes.

21:06Ronnie Karam: And Dino just went to jail for, or he just got arrested for the cocaine distribution and stuff. But those weren't coke eyes either. So, I don't know. Is it a mixture of things? Maybe she's taking the Coke and then that makes the eyes one thing, but then the weed makes the eyes. I don't think weed just makes you bloodshot. I don't know. Maybe it's just a cocktail is what I'm saying. Yeah.

21:28Ben Mandelker: Well, either way, it's funny because Liz's whole thing all season has been, you know, people say I'm scary. I'm not scared. I'm actually a kitten. But people get scared when I come into a room. I don't know why people get scared. is because the switch flips, and we don't really know when it's going to really flip. And then when you get mad, once it switches, you're raging mad, and you have a smile on the entire time. And that's what's scary. If she was like, if it's switched, and you're like, she was like, you know, ranting and raving, and she looked like she was ranting and raving, it'd be one thing.

22:05Ben Mandelker: But the fact that she sits there, and her eyes are bulging, and she has this smile on her face, He's like, I'm fine. Oh, okay. And it's like this Joker's smile from Batman. It's honestly terrifying. I would be scared. I couldn't even believe Joellen got right up in her face. Which, you know, Joellen, she basically was at juvie.

22:25Ronnie Karam: She went to Girl Interrupted three times.

22:28Ben Mandelker: She was in unmerited juvie.

22:30Ronnie Karam: She outlasted Angelina Jolie in Girl Interrupted. Yeah, so she's not afraid. She went to Girl, comma, comma, comma, interrupted.

22:36Ben Mandelker: She was there a long time. So you have like Joellen who was like, she was girl interrupted so long that that was now the main thing that like going back to regular school was the interruption. But like she was.

22:47Ronnie Karam: She was interrupted so many times. It wasn't even girl interrupted. It was just like girl kept talking.

22:52Ben Mandelker: It was girl was talking like this. Girl never stopped. But she was, I mean, she basically was in Juvie. and then you have her with Juvie and then you have Liz who just has like sort of a lot of mafia speculation around her and I'm like, this is just not going to end well. No, it's not going to end well.

23:13Ronnie Karam: Someone's going to get killed on this show. This will be our first housewife murder.

23:17Ben Mandelker: Yeah, it'll be on this show.

23:18Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but it won't be anyone you suspect. It won't be like Liz. It won't be Joe Allen. It'll be like Alicia, you know, or running somebody over, you know, who knows.

23:29Ben Mandelker: Oh yeah, at least she already ran someone over.

23:30Ronnie Karam: I know, but you know, that might become her thing.

23:33Ben Mandelker: It'll probably be... The girl that runs people over. It'll be what's-her-face, crybaby1, Ashley. Ashley? Yeah! Why are you guys fighting when Frank Sinatra's singing?

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26:12Ben Mandelker: So they're having this, they're in the car. This charcuterie is spilling everywhere and they're having a fight. and this isn't a squabble they are having a full-on fight there alicia is crying liz has that look on her face her veins are bulging out from all sides of her face and joelle and so joellen is going back joellen's basically saying like alicia alicia what you went through that ballot and she's like joe she's like liz stop it just calm down liz calm down and liz is getting dually mad because uh she feels like alicia is is not using the word homeless correctly and she's getting mad because joellen is not only mediating, but the night before at that triple date, Joellen was also like, yeah, she wasn't homeless.

26:54Ben Mandelker: She wasn't homeless. And Liz feels like Joellen is being two-faced because how is it that you were yes anding me at dinner and now you're not even coming to my defense?

27:04Ronnie Karam: Well, I'm yes anding your poor use of the word homeless, but I'm not yes anding your crazy assault. Yes. Yes, you're in verbal assault and not letting it go.

27:19Ben Mandelker: I mean, that's just fucking nuts. I think Liz was in the wrong here 100%.

27:22Ronnie Karam: But Liz was really mad because she felt like they were both putting her in a villain position. She's mad at Alicia for crying and making herself look like a victim. And then she's mad at Joellen for supporting Alicia and making her further look like a villain. But Liz, you look like a villain because you're a fucking villain. I mean, it's like Cruella de Vil crying. Just drive your car, kill some puppies, and make a coat. Like, no one wants to hear Cruella cry. You know? You gotta lean into it. I hated that Cruella movie. We're like, oh, Cruella is so nice. And it was just all a tale that she was mean.

27:49Ronnie Karam: No, Cruella was a heartless bitch. And that's why we love Cruella. Yeah, exactly. I'm sorry, redhead girl from L.A. whatever. La La Land. But you're not Cruella, Emma Stone. Okay, you're like Emma Kidney Stone in that movie. I don't need you in that. I need Cruella. I want mean puppy murdering Cruella.

28:07Ben Mandelker: Yeah, like she was bad from the beginning.

28:10Ronnie Karam: Yeah, and Liz just pretending like, oh, they're making me a villain. No, you're making yourself a villain. That's why we like you. Stop crying.

28:16Ben Mandelker: I don't know if Liz was thinking about like, oh, I'm being seen as a villain. I think it's more like, what? We were talking about this the other night and you totally have my back on this. You totally agreed. And we were both going to basically correct her. And now you just don't have my back. And maybe it's, I guess, sort of like, oh, now I look really shitty that I'm doing this. But you're just going to act like we didn't have this conversation. She's like, yeah, because she was like laughing about it because it was ridiculous that Alicia said that she was homeless. But it wasn't like, I don't think Joellen probably felt so passionately that she had to be like, I'm going to correct you, Alicia, in this car right now.

28:54Ben Mandelker: She's like, this girl's crying. She went through trauma. Her dad abandoned them. Took their house and all their money.

28:59Ronnie Karam: I mean, I think that's worth something in the victim category on Bravo.

29:04Ben Mandelker: 100%. So it's in the context of this crazy life.

29:08Ronnie Karam: for three weeks because your husband had a boat that he went fishing on. What the fuck? Those ladies are allowed to cry about her dad abandoning her.

29:17Ben Mandelker: Yeah, exactly. The ongoing and the seawall. The ongoing. She said ongoing. Ongoing. I've had enough. You fucking can't go. I've had enough. So it's in the context of this that they arrive at this cabaret and Alicia's like, I don't know, I can't stop crying. I can't stop crying. I love my sunglasses. I love my sunglasses. she's like she is bawling everyone it's just it's so tense with them so they arrive at this place called Capo which is appropriate that they go to a place called that of course that's where he's performing Capo yeah and Joellen is waiting for Alicia to get her sunglasses and she's like oh I just want my sunglasses my sunglasses I have no sunglasses and she's like okay you know what just take my sunglasses and so Alicia's like that was a wrap for her I feel like Liz is taking something that was so personal and out of respect for my family she should have like never questioned me or like talked to me like that.

30:07Ben Mandelker: And I'm just so mad at myself. I can't stop crying.

30:11Ronnie Karam: And Liz is mad at them for coming out of the car late. She's like, two against one. Two against one. She was trying to fight her sunglasses. Joellen cracks me up because Joellen is that girl who's known she's going to be on reality TV her whole life, but she's now getting her chance. And every time she gets a chance to fight, she just starts shaking her head. She's like, really? We're just looking for sunglasses.

30:37Ben Mandelker: You know, Joanne's really good at this show, I think. She's really good. She really stands her ground in a way that I really appreciate. And in a way that I almost wish I could be like. I wish I could stand my ground more. I'm very sheepish as a person, which is why I podcast, because I can get it out on a microphone. But I really respect how she... She's able to be sympathetic, but she's also able to bow up if necessary. And I really appreciate that.

31:01Ronnie Karam: She doesn't only stand her ground. She comes at you. Liz was like, leave me alone. Walk away. And she's like, no, no. What are you saying that? What are you saying it? What are you saying it? Like shaking your head in her face. But she was being so nice to Liz for a while.

31:12Ben Mandelker: And then finally she was like, okay, fine. I've been nice to you. And now, okay, now you're going into timeout, you know? Yeah. But Liz, by the way, the other thing with Liz is not so much even, yeah, she doesn't want to look like an asshole. But also I think Liz is very sensitive about being ganged up on. And so for as much as she doesn't like Alicia sitting there being a victim about being homeless, she's the one who doesn't like she's the one who wants to be like oh it's oh so you guys became friends you went back i guess you guys made friends and i'm gonna be the one on the outside i'm gonna be the one that you guys are gonna gang up on it's like liz like calm down it's not that deep yeah but it's also what she's kind of been doing this whole time right because they've kind

31:49Ronnie Karam: of done that against the others so it's like it's your turn but yeah to me it just it just seems like and i'm not just disregarding what you just said because i think that's definitely it too but But I think she's just like, now you guys are making me look like I'm a fucking bitch and I don't like that.

32:03Ben Mandelker: I just don't think she was thinking on a level as high as I'm the villain. But I think that she was like, now I look like an asshole.

32:09Ronnie Karam: Because I thought you had my back and I was going to bring this to her. And I've got one crying over here and the other one consoling her. Like, oh, you poor thing. So Joanne's like, oh my God, she was just trying to find her sunglasses. Stop over-assuming. And Liz goes, fuck off. so now they go into this place which is pretty much what you'd think i mean it's one of those places where you walk in and you're like how does an act like this get all of these fucking people i mean frank sinatra can still pull them into a pasta factory or spaghetti factory you know what i mean just because his name is frank so it's not even frank sinatra you just use his name and

32:43Ben Mandelker: people like oh my god well what was so surprising to me was that they doesn't even imitate frank sinatra i was just surprised that there was a curtain at one point like you know rich is like okay everyone i'll be right back and a curtain dropped i was like what this place has a curtain

32:55Ronnie Karam: there was a curtain there was a whole band there i mean it's actually like a kind of classy operation unfortunately he's not great i have to say i was expecting more from him weren't you me yourself frank sinatra you get yourself a band you're performing all over you got to sing better

33:11Ben Mandelker: than this like i uh i just thought he was gonna sound more sinatra ish but i think he's just singing sinatra songs i think that's i think that's what i was surprised i thought he was to be more of an impersonator and he was just singing the songs. Well, look,

33:23Ronnie Karam: if you're not going to impersonate Frank and you're just going to sing the songs, then you have to sing better.

33:27Ben Mandelker: Mm. Yeah.

33:29Ronnie Karam: Than this. Not than Frank, but...

33:31Ben Mandelker: By the way, don't forget to stream our cabaret later this week where you're going to hear us singing. Well, actually, Ronnie sings great.

33:37Ronnie Karam: You'll hear how judgy we should be over people singing.

33:39Ben Mandelker: Yeah, Ronnie sings great. No. I will... On the other end, you'll see me.

33:43Ronnie Karam: You sound great.

33:43Ben Mandelker: You sound great in there. No, okay. Just wait for my kick line. That's not singing.

33:48Ronnie Karam: That's...

33:48Ben Mandelker: Yeah. so you practiced all my what's the reverse of the total package what's the reverse of a triple threat a threat just a just a threat no a triple a triple like peacetime that's what i am uh so you're ridiculous uh anyway uh so then they they get in there and i like alicia going so is this like the stage over here with the red thing is i'm like you mean the stage with the curtain No, that's the kitchen.

34:17Ronnie Karam: I love her. That's why I love her. She's like, what is that? A stage? Yeah, it's elevated. It's made out of wood. And there's a band on it.

34:25Ben Mandelker: And there's a red curtain. She goes with the red thing. What the fuck do you think it is? There's a red curtain.

34:28Ronnie Karam: It's a red thing. We should get that at Papa Pizza Mama. So she's like, oh, that was a ride from hell. Oh, my God. So I'm sorry, I got lost here. So we're doing it like this on my iPad and looking at you and then having to find myself in the notes. Sorry, everybody. Having to find yourself in the notes. That's like, she sounds very poetic. Everybody sits down and it's really awkward because Liz is still pissed and Alicia's still crying, which is making her even more pissed. And Joelle's like, oh my God, this is so uncomfortable. Like, I wish I could just like slide into the table right now because that's another thing we didn't say that happened last week.

35:06Ronnie Karam: Oh yeah. That was a big part of last week.

35:07Ben Mandelker: Oh my God, we didn't even talk about the thing at Audrey's.

35:10Ronnie Karam: The scene last week was great because what's her buns? Kelsey. No, the crybaby, Ashley, was finally like, okay, I'm going to throw an event for these ladies. I'm going to have a trivia night at Audrey's. So she has this trivia night. And Rosie's like, well, I'm not going to go if Kelsey goes. But her little elf husband is like, just invite everybody. Stop being stupid. So she does. And so they both show up. And Kelsey comes in wearing a sash, like a beauty queen sash that says Slam Pig. She's beauty.

35:41Ben Mandelker: She's grace. she's Miss Slam Pig United States. Yeah.

35:45Ronnie Karam: Why are you wearing a Slam Pig sash to show everybody that you're not a Slam Pig?

35:50Ben Mandelker: You know? She's just trying to own it.

35:51Ronnie Karam: Just crackers. Trying to own it. Labeling themselves as crackers to prove they're what? Not crackers?

35:56Ben Mandelker: Well, now she's going to probably come out with t-shirts that say Slam Pig and everything. She's going to do what Luann did with Giovanni, which is that Dorinda's the one who said it, but Luann's the one who's actually capitalized off of it.

36:04Ronnie Karam: Yeah.

36:05Ben Mandelker: Yeah, but so then that was Kelsey and Rosie coming face to face for the first time, and it's very tense.

36:11Ronnie Karam: I'm stuck on the slam pig thing. It can't be the first time this woman's been called a slam pig. I mean, no offense. Not by me, but in general around there. Yeah.

36:21Ben Mandelker: Kelsey does that thing in that moment where she goes up to Rosie and goes, Hi, Rosie. How are you? And Rosie's like, you know, I really don't want to talk to you. She's like, well, I don't want to talk to you either. I'm like, Kelsey, you just walked over to talk to her. So what happened was that they wound up getting into a big fight, altercation. and the group was trying to heal them and it did not work. So then they wind up actually just hiding under the high tops. And they're all crowded under the high tops. So the two of them are still actually fighting.

36:49Ronnie Karam: They're screaming and yelling at each other and calling each other bitch and all this. And then it would keep cutting to the kids at trivia night.

36:55Ben Mandelker: They're like, I know.

36:57Ronnie Karam: And Ashley was like,

36:58Ben Mandelker: I just don't want any fighting at Audrey's.

37:00Ronnie Karam: Oh God. And her husband's like, just shut up.

37:03Ben Mandelker: Like you guys are so ridiculous. I have some thoughts about Audrey's that I'm excited to share later on in the episode because I've decided I have a hot take on Audrey's.

37:12Ronnie Karam: Oh, okay.

37:13Ben Mandelker: That I've now officially overhyped.

37:15Ronnie Karam: Can't wait. So yeah, they had this big fight at Audrey's. Kelsey, Kelsey, Kelsey.

37:22Ben Mandelker: So anyways, we're at the table and so it's awkward and Alicia's hiding behind the menu because she doesn't want to show everyone that she's crying and everything. And Eliza's like, my friend was never homeless in the general sense of the term that we think about it. You know, you have to have a big, she has a big, beautiful family. Like, no one's ever gonna allow you to be homeless. And also, I don't want you to go through that life being with that marriage. So Joellen's like, okay, so you guys want to get a drink? You guys want to get a drink? They're like, yeah, we'll get a drink.

37:52Ronnie Karam: It's all awkward, like small talk. Joellen's like, well, I'm really worried about you guys. I mean, this is really awkward. And she's like, worried? You worried? Are you worried about us? Are you worried? Oh, you're worried.

38:05Ben Mandelker: That's nice that you're worried. That's nice. Aren't you nice? So Joellen's like, stop. Stop. Joellen's like talking to Liz like she's like her daughter. She's like, stop it. Stop. Stop. We're at a restaurant. She's like, are you worried? She's like, Liz, relax. Relax. And then Alicia's just crying. I don't know why I'm crying. It just seems so fake. Ah, you know what? It's just Joellen just seems so fake and phony and disingenuous. She said Alicia was never homeless herself. And we see at that dinner when Joellen's like, yeah, I mean, You're not sleeping under the stars in a sleeping bag and homeless, you know?

38:36Ronnie Karam: So Liz is saying, you know, Joellen, there's been so many instances with Joellen where she said one thing and did another. And I'm really angry with her. I need to shift my emotions. Just respect my space at the other end of the table. So Joellen is still comforting. Or no, she puts her hand on Liz's hand. And Liz is like, get your fucking angel off of me. I'm just trying to be there for you. That's what friends do. Can I just be there for you?

39:06Ben Mandelker: And this entire time, Liz keeps on with a big smile. Keeps saying, I'm fine. Everything's fine. Don't get your hands on me. Like the moment she touches her, it's like, no, she's absolutely not fine. I mean, not that it was like, not that we were fooled in any way.

39:18Ronnie Karam: So the other girls start coming in and Ashley's like, hi, friends. Is everybody doing okay? Oh my God. Here's Ashley. It's like the over, the over happiness right in the middle of all of this. Yeah. So she sits down and Joanne's like, don't worry, Alicia's not crying. She just has allergies.

39:36Ben Mandelker: She just says, right, Alicia? Yeah, I need a cracker. I need a cracker. So Ash is like, is everything okay? Like, what's going on? There's like, the tension is like really palpable. Like, tell me. What's that? What? Summer always changes how I'd get dressed. I want pieces that feel lighter and more breathable. Things that are easy, but still pull together.

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42:26Ben Mandelker: palpable

42:26Ronnie Karam: what's that

42:27Ben Mandelker: palpable

42:28Ronnie Karam: what's that

42:28Ben Mandelker: it means that there's palp I guess

42:31Ronnie Karam: what's palp

42:32Ben Mandelker: it's like it's the thing you feel so if it's palpable you can feel a thing

42:35Ronnie Karam: never heard of that

42:36Ben Mandelker: no

42:36Ronnie Karam: never heard of that it's too big of a word at this table ma 'am so it's like what is going on I'm no Monique for like oh I brought my friend Monique everybody and Monique comes in and looks just like one of them

42:48Ben Mandelker: yeah I was like oh here's that that other cast member yeah so Alicia's like I've known Monique for like 20 years, and we used to work at hair salon together. And Monique is married to Patrick Pass, a former Patriots player. And Rosie's also best friends with Monique. So that's how we know her. So I feel like at this point, this is the point of the season where they said, you know what, we're going to make Rula a real housewife, so we're going to need a new friend of. So let's bring in Monique.

43:14Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I've heard that thing about Rula too, if she was a friend of. But she has been named in all the events, because they're always like, where's Rula? why isn't Rula here Rula needs to come we should call Rula so I wonder but I noticed when because they're just doing they just did their um reunion I guess and so the reunion seating chart was posted and well you mentioned that already I'm so sorry I'm out of it but they posted that and it you really see how small the cast is it looks so tiny there's only five or six of them right

43:45Ben Mandelker: is it is it only five or six I guess I thought there's like seven

43:48Ronnie Karam: it looks so tiny maybe it's because the last reunion thing we did was summer house and it's

43:53Ben Mandelker: like yeah that's the thing summer house arena is so massive but you have alicia joellen rosie kelsey liz uh that's over no more rula uh no no you got the you got the three youngins which is ashley kelsey rosie then you got joellen you got liz alicia and you got rula that's seven people Oh. That's a standard size. In fact, one of the real housewives right now has eight people. That might be Atlanta has eight people, I think. That one's a really big cast. Actually, it's the only other housewife that's on, so that's definitely the one.

44:30Ronnie Karam: Yeah, okay. So we meet this new chick. So then the show's getting ready to start, and Alicia says that if Monique was in the car right, Monique would have fucking tore a new asshole. She's still crying, by the way. So welcome, everybody. It's Sinatra Sunday. And then Rich comes in, but he comes in holding hands with Rosie. Yeah. And they walk down the aisle together like the president and the first lady. Yeah. Like, really, Rosie? I mean, I think that's really sweet to be proud of your man, but sit down. Like, let the man enter.

45:05Ben Mandelker: It just was a lot. And so he's like, oh, when the saints go marching in, oh, when the saints go marching in. And Rosie's like, oh, you know what? in this situation, Rich is the star. And I'm totally cool taking the backseat. You know, when you host a local lifestyle show for Rhode Island on Saturday afternoons, it's hard to get away from the spotlight. So it's nice to take that break from celebrity and let Rich be the star for once.

45:37Ronnie Karam: So Ashley's like, oh my god, you guys should do a duet! Because he's so talented, and you do whatever it is you do. That would be so fun. She's like, oh yeah, I could never. I'd rather die. So Rich is on the stage doing crowd work. He's like, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Sinatra Sunday. I'm Rich Demare. I'm going to live in an 8 ,000 square foot home. Don't argue with it. It's the Ron Poster Trio. Please eat up, drink up. We'll see you on the other side of the break. All right, two and two.

46:06Ben Mandelker: And curtain drops. I'm like, wait, there's a curtain here? So then they all applaud. And Leisha's like, no, I'm actually having fun. I'm having fun. And Joellen's like, no, he's such an entertainer. Like, oh, yeah, it's great. Theatrical. It's like, so Liz is like, I got a cigarette. You guys want to talk about what happened in the car. It's fine. You guys talk about it. Make me the boogeyman. That's fine. So Joellen's like, no, I'm going to come with you. So it's kind of at this point, I'm like, Joellen, just stop. Just let her cool off. Because like, I'm largely on Joellen's side with this. But like, Liz is clearly someone, when she's going off the handle, You just got to just let that sparkler burn all the way down.

46:45Ronnie Karam: Yeah, Joellen is just coming at her and at her. Just shaking the head in her and getting up in her face constantly.

46:50Ben Mandelker: And Joellen has this whole thing about how Liz is her best friend. And she's shocked that Liz doesn't think. It's like, if she was your best friend, you would know how to handle her in these moments. And don't go after her. You're going to make it worse. Just stay where you are. Let her have her tantrum. You enjoy yourself.

47:09Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And Alicia's saying, Liz, I do love you. I don't want to fight with you. I really love you. I really love you. And so she goes outside all mad, Liz. So Liz, Alicia says, I don't want to make you upset, Liz. And Liz's like, you're not. I'm sorry for making you upset. And that crazy smile. So all the other girls are like, what the hell is going on? And now she's like, they had a fight. They had a fight on the way here, you guys. And once again, I'm the fucking monster. All right? It's like you are eating a baby arm right now. Put the baby arm down.

47:42Ben Mandelker: You are about to go gas all of Gotham City right now with that Joker face, that smile. So Alicia's like, I feel like I'm trapped in a nightmare. She wants me to be like the Wicked Witch. But like, honey, I'm just sitting here like you're doing yourself. You're just being mean right now. All I want is a cracker.

47:59Ronnie Karam: So, you know, Liz, I have to say a lot of looking at Liz, I think maybe it's the face work that makes her look so like evil because she's, you know, had some face work. but she posted on instagram her face work you know because they all get the discount for posting the doctor yeah god i long for those days i'm gonna get fucking everything done but she um she posted it and it's good it's good face work can i say the before picture she's just as terrifying yeah she's very pretty it's in the eyes i think it's in the eyes and a smile and yeah it's a big

48:29Ben Mandelker: smile and again she smiles when she's angry which is a terrifying thing that's what villains do that's like when there's tension like there's a literally a movie called smile it's about it okay

48:40Ronnie Karam: like i mean i haven't seen it but i just have to assume it's about someone that movie infurries me i mean i've said it before but god forbid we smile at somebody it's like the greatest horror of the

48:49Ben Mandelker: you know mid-20s oh i thought the movie was about like um riding in cars up i-95 to boston with charcuterie in the back seat and it's like you just have to smile through it okay so um

49:06Ronnie Karam: liz and alicia do they go outside or what yeah they keep threatening to go outside but they they don't do it so uh joellen's like listen everything's done alicia okay that was done in the car you guys talked it out she's like but i just want to apologize again she's like no liz liz apologized 46 times already and she's like and liz is like i get it i mean to be honest with you. I'm not lying. I never forget it. Sorry. Okay? You do what you gotta do. This is just not how I respond. I'm gonna go have a cigarette now. And you guys just continue making me the villain.

49:37Ben Mandelker: And so they go up and leave. And Monique is like, what happened? And Alicia's like, she's not in armor. So Liz and Joellen are outside in this back alley. Which, of course, it's somehow a very quaint back alley. Joellen's like, so what? You didn't get me a cigarette, too? And Lily's like, oh, did you want one? She's like, no, I'll just share. Which I was like, I don't think she wants to share her.

50:00Ronnie Karam: She doesn't want to share with you? She doesn't want to share with you? She doesn't want your traitor spit on her cigarette?

50:04Ben Mandelker: I know how much you love Alicia. And like, dude, you're like a loving, amazing person. You know her your whole life. She's like, oh, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. And I got you going. Like, oh, can you just understand what she meant? Like, I do. I did. Like, all I ever did was I said sorry. I'm like, no, don't do it again. I'm like, oh, God, she's losing her mind.

50:23Ronnie Karam: It's like, honey, her dad fell. You know, her dad left her. She's fucked up shit that happened. We all have. We all have. You have. I have. She's like, you know what? Got it. I agree. I totally agree. I totally agree, Joellen. I agree. However, Dolly said I was sorry. I said I was sorry 12 times, Dolly. All right, Dolly? And Dolly in there was never homeless. All right, Dolly? All right, Dolly? So she starts coming up with Dolly now.

50:50Ben Mandelker: And just Dolly assaulting. Dolly. She's like, you were the first one. And she's like, and so were you. She's like, do you want to do it? She's like, stop, why? She's like, I will so do it. She's like, why are you going at me? She's like, she was never homeless. She's like, what did I do? She's like, get the fuck out of my face. Get the fuck out of my face. Not Joellen. Joellen is now, Liz has now transformed into Joellen's mom. So now Joellen is in a like, fuck you mom mode. So she's like, what did I do? What did I do? Why'd you send me away? Huh? Why? Why Liz?

51:21Ronnie Karam: Well, I'm sorry I got boobs and I've dated boys. What do you want from me? Huh? What are you talking about? And they get right in each other's face. They're like, what are you doing? What are you doing? Joanne is just shaking her face. Shaking at her. Like coming at her from this way, coming at her from that way. I'm surprised Liz didn't just smack the shit out of her. I was shocked they didn't get physical. Because while Liz is being an asshole in all of this, I mean, I hate to say it because I know I'll get a lot of pushback from this. But I was, I mean, I kind of get, once Liz kind of explained where she was coming from, I kind of get it.

51:52Ronnie Karam: Like, I kind of at least saw where she was coming from. I don't necessarily agree with her. But it's like, Joellen, get out of my, when people remove themselves from the situation and then other people follow them, I hate that. I feel like that's out of bounds for a reality show.

52:05Ben Mandelker: Yeah, and I feel like Joellen, her response in the car was the correct one. I think that Liz was being overly sensitive about this. But Joellen needed to just drop it. At this point now, I'm like, Joellen, you're looking for answers that you don't want to hear. So Joellen's like, knock it off. Stop being cup fitness to me. This is not a you and me fight. It's a you and Alicia. And I'm trying to be here for both of you. And you're going to both be nasty to me? Joellen's like, why are you doing this? Why do you have to be so combative? Okay? I'm trying to be there for you. And you're acting like a fucking asshole to me.

52:38Ben Mandelker: And I'm one of your best friends. You just ingenuous motherfucker. Why? Why, Liz? Why? Don't walk away. Say it. Say it, Liz.

52:48Ronnie Karam: And so they're in each other's face. And Joellen's saying she doesn't want to fight her head to head, but she's putting her in this situation. She's like, you're looking for a fight. You're looking for a fight. Trying to fight me. She's like, I don't attack anyone. I bring up no one's shit. You want to fuck with me? I'm ready. I'm down. I'm ready. Bring it on, Dolly. Come on, Dolly.

53:05Ben Mandelker: But there is something funny because Liz is mad that she feels like Joellen is very fake. But Liz is the one who is actively putting on a fake smile and not actually saying what she's mad about. so well she's saying what she's mad about no she's not she's not she didn't say listen the other night you were with me on this and you co-signed and now you're in here and you're taking her side and you're not even like admitting that you also feel the same way and you're making your you're you left me out here to like hang out here to dry she's not telling her that's why i'm mad at you you know later on she says you try to mediate you as a motherfucker she just said she's being kind of she's being very she's vague posting right now it's vague posting yeah i've never had

53:43Ronnie Karam: It's such a depressing day. Please, don't ask me what's wrong. To anybody, I haven't been answering my phone. I'm sorry. It's that kind of week.

53:52Ben Mandelker: Well, that just happened. So, Joellen's... Check, please. Joellen's like, you're looking for a fight, and you're trying to fight me. She's like, I don't want to attack anyone. I bring up no one's shit.

54:04Ronnie Karam: You want to fuck with me? I'm ready. I'm down. So, meanwhile, Rich is in there like, What is Nancy? Could someone speed up this record player? What is this even? What is this even?

54:18Ben Mandelker: And Alicia's like, oh my God, this is my song. Oh my God, I love this song. I love this song so much. How's happening? And she starts singing the words.

54:25Ronnie Karam: Now the fools fall down. And yeah, you know, I was at stage.

54:33Ben Mandelker: Also, isn't that Elvis? Yeah. Not Frank Sinatra.

54:37Ronnie Karam: Well, Frank sang it too. It's a cover. You know, back in the day. it all sing covers.

54:40Ben Mandelker: Was it Frank's originally?

54:42Ronnie Karam: I don't think so.

54:43Ben Mandelker: Who did sing that originally? I thought it was Elvis, but if it was Elvis, he probably appropriated it from someone else. Yeah, Elvis, yeah. So Rich is singing this and Joanne's like, listen, listen, Liz, you're supposed to be one of my best friends and you're going to sit here and like talk shit to me and be nasty. It's like hurtful and it's mean and all you do is be mean to everyone.

55:03Ronnie Karam: Who originally sang I Can't Help Falling in Love with You?

55:06Ben Mandelker: Like a river flows. Shirley to the scene.

55:11Ronnie Karam: He recorded it in 1961. Sorry, Elvis. But real ones know it's the UB40 version

55:16Ben Mandelker: that really slaps.

55:18Ronnie Karam: UB40? How did that go?

55:20Ben Mandelker: It was on the Sliver soundtrack.

55:22Ronnie Karam: God, you're really... Have you been jerking off to Sliver lately? I've actually never seen Sliver. You've never seen Sliver? How does it keep coming up?

55:30Ben Mandelker: I feel like I've seen all that I need to see of it, which is that there's someone watching and Sharon Stone's in it and Enigma was on the soundtrack. Wow. can't help falling you know the ub 41 it's like why man say can you know they sing in that weird way only falls crash and it has like a lot of weird sound effects in the background where it's like in the background a lot it's like it doesn't sound anything anything like reggae either

55:58Ronnie Karam: you know we can only play like a second as oh well there's an ad does that mean that we can shut up i said go to youtube why are you playing it here hold what are you playing a minute a second of this song i want to hear how it sounds we can't play too much because it's copyrighted and they'll

56:14Ben Mandelker: be like you can't put ads on this episode yeah you actually can't even play a second i hate to break it to you really it's a myth that you can do like three all right well we're not oh yeah i remember this see that's all i needed to hear it's too late yeah no it's not it's too late we're are we

56:28Ronnie Karam: gonna get kicked out of a cast already yeah we just i can't believe of all the places that you

56:32Ben Mandelker: do a copyright infringement, it would be right in the heart of Acast.

56:34Ronnie Karam: Oh yeah, come for me. You want a piece of me, Acast? I'll fuck you up. You're supposed to be my best friend.

56:41Ben Mandelker: And you're like ruining the monetization on the YouTube video. I could do that. I mean. So Joellen's like, why are you being such a nasty human? She's like, I'm a nasty human. Good job. You did it. You did it. And so then Liz, well, it's kind of funny because our note taker says, Liz caresses Joellen's hair. Later on, this becomes a point of contention. Was it a caress? I don't know if it was a caress. I think it was more than a caress, less than a tug.

57:05Ronnie Karam: Well, remember Real Housewives of Potomac was a flip. She did the flip. Like we watched that video, like the Zapruder film. I know. She did a flip. This one, she like went like this on her. She went like that. But she didn't pull it.

57:17Ben Mandelker: It wasn't a pull, but it was also, but fingers were closed around.

57:20Ronnie Karam: Don't touch the hair. Don't touch the hair. That's crazy.

57:23Ben Mandelker: Because, yeah. Yeah. Especially when five minutes ago, you were like, don't touch me. don't you dare touch me especially in Rhode Island

57:33Ronnie Karam: because you know that's the thing in Rhode Island touching people and touching their hair you just know what happens touching you touching me

57:39Ben Mandelker: you be 40 sweet sweet Joellen okay so she's like Joellen goes oh you know what pull my hair again Liz I'll literally fucking punch you in the face I was like here comes Juvie Juvie versus Mafia

57:59Ronnie Karam: You want to know I'm a horrible person to you? You want to know I'm a nasty human to you? You want to know? You're my best friend.

58:06Ben Mandelker: You're my best friend. The more I say it, the more true it is.

58:09Ronnie Karam: Oh, you are not my best friend. You are not my best friend.

58:12Ben Mandelker: Knock it the friend. Oh, she goes, knock it the fuck off. She basically is like, you're a child who is misbehaving in Applebee's. Knock it the fuck off.

58:23Ronnie Karam: But now, we didn't mention, now they're back in. Oh, yeah, they're back. They come back to the table. rich is singing this terrible i mean he just sounds terrible singing this song and there's

58:31Ben Mandelker: they're fighting in front row in the front row face to face there's like a centimeter between them and last episode rosie's whole thing was like they just better not have a fight in front of rich i was like okay they're not gonna fight while rich is singing and they're rich is singing and they are face to face and that's when joelle's like knock it the fuck off so they're yelling at

58:53Ronnie Karam: each other and rich is kind of looking around everyone's mortified but this again joe ellen liz tried to walk away and joe ellen just follows her in there like what's your problem what's your problem is what's your problem i mean but at this point though i kind of team liz at

59:07Ben Mandelker: this point i'm team liz in terms of frustration but i think this was inappropriate which is that then liz takes joe ellen's chair and shoves it forward i was like that to me the chair is part of the body that's undeniable right there well with me it literally is like it's melded to my body i think that like that's if you shove someone in the chair that's like you're you are causing them to to move that is physical that is that is i see the subway no meaning that like if so if you're doing this whole thing like don't touch me don't whatever like if you if you're pushing someone's chair like that's that could start a fight right there i would say but if someone's

59:44Ronnie Karam: in your face, it's better to just get them out of your... I don't think someone has a right to get in your face.

59:49Ben Mandelker: But mom's allowed to get in your face and say, shut... knock it off. Otherwise I'm turning this cabaret around and we're going home. Please do.

59:56Ronnie Karam: Oh my god, please turn this cabaret down. Or at least turn it down. Just turn it down. So Joellen... It's like...

1:00:06Ronnie Karam: Elvis is just like flicking himself in the forehead. Please just fucking make it. Stice tapping. It's like, oh god.

1:00:14Ben Mandelker: So then Alicia's like, Joellen, don't react. Don't react, Joellen. Don't react, Joellen. Don't react. Don't react. It's almost like some sort of hazing where it's like, how much abuse can you take before you snap? How can you take this? So finally, and Liz is like, Liz is up in Joellen's ear, sort of like the alien to Sigourney Weaver in the trailer for Aliens 3. And she's like, oh yeah, yeah, you like that? You like that? Alicia's like, don't react. Liz, you better stop right now. You better stop. You gotta stop. You gotta stop right now. You gotta stop. Wise man. So Joellen just is like, she gets up and she just leaves, which I was like, that took a lot of, that was, that was, that was, I feel like, like a millimeter away from being physical.

1:00:56Ben Mandelker: And by the way, amusing that security did not jump in because on Atlanta, Kelly just raised her glass up and like three people were there on Porsche. But here they're like, yeah, you know, let's see. They need to have a good trailer. Yeah. They don't have the budget for security yet.

1:01:12Ronnie Karam: porsche has been kicked off what two times i think for for kicking somebody's ass on atlanta so she's that's right she's earned it she's earned the budget yeah uh so rosie's like just happy it's not me so joellen gets in the car and leaves and meanwhile rich is still like yeah falling in love with you and it goes to rosie and she's like wow isn't rich amazing at singing Oh, God. Yeah. It's all the yelling, hurting your all's eardrums. That sucked. How would you fuck a man after that? Yeah.

1:01:43Ben Mandelker: I don't know.

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