#3393 Summer House S10E18 Reunion Part 2 & In The City 0103: Simply the West + In The City

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2:17Watch what happens when there's so much that crappens.

2:47Ronnie Karam: How's it going? Good. We're in person again today. We're at the ACAST studios in lovely Soho, New York City. We're here for our cabaret this week. It's tonight, June 3rd, and Friday, June 5th. There's three shows. Tonight at 7, Friday at 7 and 9.30 Eastern Time. You can buy streaming tickets for all three of those shows up until Showtime. And you can't buy them after Showtime. But you can stream for up to a week. So go buy your tickets, okay? It's going to be crazy. Yeah. A lot of craziness and having nightmares. I had to take an Ambien to go to sleep last night. God knows what I even did last night.

3:23Ronnie Karam: Oh, you should have. I woke up with an M &M in my bed. I'll tell you that much.

3:27Ben Mandelker: You should have taken an L.I.P. What's that? Love Island premiere. Girl. It's one hour, 45 minutes.

3:33Ronnie Karam: I don't need that stress in my life. All I can think about when I watch that show is just germs and people just germing all over each other. Like, I wash my hands the second I get off the train. I can't imagine just sticking my tongue down all those stranger's throats on the train. Just because you're hot and you work out doesn't mean you're less gross. You're a human being. You poop.

3:52Ben Mandelker: Yeah, they definitely swaps and spit on the premiere. It was one hour, 45 minutes. I mean, of course, I enjoyed it, but I was like, this could be a solid 60 minutes. I don't know if we need an hour, 45. But I will say we're going to talk about Love Island a bit more on our bonus episode, which we did not have time to record yet. but there is definitely one girl on there named Kenzie who I think you're going to be so amused by because she's she sort of looks like she sort of looks like you know you said bowling alley person yesterday she sort of looks like a bowling alley version of Kelly Clarkson I mean way she's

4:28Ronnie Karam: got like Kelly Clarkson herself as a bowling alley person you know was oh you're right yeah so she

4:33Ben Mandelker: just sort of like has wide eyes and it's like oh my god she looks really uh she's sort of that I I feel like there's craziness to be uncorked with her. So I think you're going to really enjoy it.

4:42Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I'm into it. But there's, I'm not, not this season yet. But usually I get really into it. But there's just a lot of Bravo going on right now.

4:49Ben Mandelker: It's a lot of Bravo. So yeah, today.

4:52Ronnie Karam: We got in today and our producer Taylor was also obsessed with the summer house. I'm the same way. Like if there's summer house on, I have to concentrate on that. I can't move from like summer house to like eight new hoes in my life. You know, it's just summer house. That's it.

5:07Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I think that's fair. I feel like before we even get into Summer House, there's something very special that we have to celebrate with today's Summer House reunion. Our good friend, Courtney, from Two Judgy Girls, texted me about five minutes ago and said...

5:25Ronnie Karam: And my counterpart, Mary, just texted me one minute ago, well, Courtney beat you, Mary. You know, why does Ben have the more organized friend?

5:33Ben Mandelker: I'm the Courtney, you're the Mary. I am going to be guesting on Two Judge Girls next week, by the way, on Monday to do the Atlanta Reunion. I'm doing Friday, so at least I beat you there.

5:42Ronnie Karam: All right, Mary, we beat them where it counts.

5:46Ben Mandelker: So, Courtney texted, and apparently Mary did too, to say, check out minute 44 of the Summer House extended reunion. We watched the regular size reunion. I didn't know about the extended. So, I'm just going to press play. I've got it all geared up. you're just gonna hear the microphone it may it may sound a little janky i apologize let's move my microphone over here okay this is this is and i went into the summer frustrated with you how soon before was that incident it was february it was february i didn't sleep there okay i was just very late and you just found out about it he fell asleep i was sitting on a couch to like five something in the morning.

6:32There was probably 15 fans there. It was an after party for a Watch What Crappin show. He came home. Yay.

6:41Ronnie Karam: Yeah, and I feel like that's a good argument. It was after a Watch What Crappin show, and those people are way too respectful to bang somebody's husband.

6:48Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I actually like,

6:49Ronnie Karam: I couldn't have cheated with you. I was at a Watch What Crappin's party. Yeah. The last thing anybody is thinking about after a Watch What Crappin show is banging. Okay? everyone's penis is soft after watch what crap is but your heart is full yeah exactly i i have

7:07Ben Mandelker: wanted for us to get a mention on a bravo reunion in some capacity for a long time and every time andy tweets out like okay we're getting ready for the reunion for two dust bowls in a potato pad i'm always like okay i gotta ask a good question because like i wanted to be like ben Mandelker from Hollywood. And every time he does that, I'm like, uh, I'm like, why is your hair like that? Like, I can't think of any questions. So the fact that we were able to get into a reunion without having to do the heavy work of coming up with a question made me really happy.

7:41Ronnie Karam: That's so funny how you look at it because I was talking to a friend last night and we were talking about a mutual friend of ours. I'm like, yeah, you know, I haven't seen her in years, but I saw her on a Bravo, like Facebook discussion board talking about housewives. And I thought I thought it was so funny to see somebody I knew. She went, really? Like a Facebook group talking about housewives? And I was like, yeah. She's like, wow. So she's like legit crazy. I was like, you know what I do for a living, right? It's shocking how many people,

8:09Ben Mandelker: how the rest of the world looks at it. Like, ew, discussion board? Oh, I can't believe we were friends with this woman. I know. I'm going up to my 25-year college reunion. Oh, you little baby.

8:23Ronnie Karam: I know. No, I'm about to have year 46 college reunion. Here we just have them every year just in case somebody else dies.

8:31Ben Mandelker: Well, I'm going up to my 25-year reunion a little bit later this month. And so I've been invited to give like a little talk. It's like they asked some alumni to do some little fake TED Talks. And I just think it's going to be so funny because I'm going to be up there talking about like watching Real Housewives. It's like the other people are like, oh, I pioneered some massive breakthrough in biosciences. And someone else was like, I have now revolutionized the sector of the market. I'm like, I can tell you everything about Heather Dubrow.

9:09Ronnie Karam: That wins. That's going to be the best part of it. I promise you. No one wants to hear about you inventing the fucking new Q-tip.

9:17Ben Mandelker: if you ever talk about me in a ted talk again it will cost you a lot all right well let's get into it by the way we i i will be a shiny mess by the end of this because it is boiling hot in here so

9:31Ronnie Karam: i apologize the viewers if i look crazy oh is it like i'm i'm shiny because i just just scrubbed the hell out of my face and put on some beef tallow on my face great vegetarian great pescatarian i am well i'll kill the cow for this thing i'll allow it but i look good right looks nice it's very shiny king king king ronnie looks good looks good i have no layers on my skin so also a programming on my balls and cheekbones that's it and a waddle we have a programming note we have

10:02Ben Mandelker: a programming note which is uh so as you know we have our cabaret tonight and so we are running around like crazy so we're just going to kind of like append uh an in the city overview to this recap of summer house because yeah it's just it'll be a quickie that we watched it we just it's just we literally do not have time today to record it because we have to go to rehearsal

10:24Ronnie Karam: so you know this recap is going to be five hours anyway so yeah yeah so sorry taylor city in the city will be part of this episode yeah yeah all right so let's get into it summer house season 10 episode 18 reunion part two so we open with amanda she's crying because it's been very difficult for her amanda amanda you know what would make you feel better a comb and some hairspray and maybe a glam person to give you a hairdo dating west and you just immediately stop paying attention to anything you're wearing a crazy dress and then you come in here wearing a man bun why are you doing that that's the ponytail that lit the internet on fire that sort of like super she's like making an R behind her head.

11:05Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but it's like West, like, Sierra's sitting over there looking like a bombshell from a 1920s movie, and then Amanda comes in looking like a Birkenstock lady. Why?

11:20Ben Mandelker: Yeah, it's really rough for Amanda. And it was actually funny because they show that clip a lot of how West pulls his chair up behind her, you know? And I remember looking at that clip and being like, wow, Amanda's hair looks really nice in that scene. and then you just have this like this ponytail thing going on and it's like wow how the un-mighty have fallen so uh so Lindsay is basically warning Amanda saying he's gonna he's definitely gonna do it to you Amanda and you and I have gotten so fucking close over the last year and I feel like I'm like bamboozled in like so many ways and I feel like really protective and like he's gonna fucking do it to you and he's gonna do it to you he's gonna do it

11:59Ronnie Karam: yeah and I know I asked you point playing what's your relationship with Mia Yeah.

12:05Ben Mandelker: Well, it's been public who I've hooked up with like with every like every once in a while. Like we like once in a while we like hook up, you know.

12:12Ronnie Karam: So here comes West lying right off the bat. Well, it's been very public. So I've just hooked up with no West. You hook up with people until you tell them you love them and then take them to meet your family and then do all of this shit. And then you just call it hooking up. Yeah, that's not how that works.

12:28Ben Mandelker: Well, I love that he only got three syllables into his excuse before Lindsay jumped in and goes, Wes, you're a pathy. We believe nothing. Is that slang? Do people call liars pathies? Is that a thing? Because if not, like that should be a thing.

12:41Ronnie Karam: Well, but I think it's really good when you're going against Wes to like talk in his language so that he can understand. Yeah. You know what I mean?

12:47Ben Mandelker: You're a pathy. He's like, I never go to New Jersey on the train. That's not what that means. Sorry, I'm a pathy. And he's like, Amanda, are you okay? and Andy does that like faux concern where he stares at you and then she's like crying and he just like nods his head real quickly like okay I've done my due diligence as a host to make sure you're okay and now I'm going to move on back to the other team that I'm clearly a part of

13:11Ronnie Karam: meanwhile he's getting like a bonus like in his bank he hears his Wells Fargo go off he's like well someone's crying

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13:57Ben Mandelker: Wells Fargo More like as Gail would say Wells let's go To the burger

14:03Ronnie Karam: Wells Fargo Or as every man Who's ever dated Gail has said Fargo

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14:24Ronnie Karam: So it's like we believe nothing and andy checks on amanda and saying um i'm not okay i'm not oh amanda do the crime do the time just sit there put on the fucking jumpsuit and sit there for christ's sake we'll send in a preacher later and teach you all the words you need to say to say you've been saved by christ now so you can get off the hook later but for right now just do the crime real quick i mean do the time here's

14:49Ben Mandelker: that question in terms of like just sort of taking it on the chin with their respective scandals who do you think handled their reunion better so far tom sandoval or amanda

15:02Ronnie Karam: tom sandoval or amanda i would compare amanda more to raquel right but the thing is raquel by

15:09Ben Mandelker: the time oh no that's right and i would say raquel handled it raquel handled it much better yeah much

15:14Ronnie Karam: better and raquel's a ding dong i mean raquel i think raquel raquel was like rocky compared to amanda but weirdly but the thing is this is that like amanda is as established as tom sandoval so

15:26Ben Mandelker: in a weird way i compare raquel to west and i think west is not doing a very good job but he's doing like he's i think he's actually doing better than amanda's doing uh weirdly enough because he's just sort of well he's not saying anything for the most part which is shitty on his exactly he's not saying anything and when he does say something he's been pretty good about being like I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm not letting him off the hook. I'm not saying like, oh my God, actually.

15:52Ronnie Karam: I think he's like,

15:53Ben Mandelker: he knows what his assignment is and he's been doing an okay job of following, but I think Amanda has been 100 % not doing it. And I feel like Sandoval was sort of, he was, Sandoval was pretty good about being like, no, I'm really, I take full accountability. But you have to understand it was like really hard for me.

16:12Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Well, look, West has been through this before. not this exact thing but West has been told off at every reunion he's ever been to basically so he's already trained like he's got trainers they're helping him and he's got he's like a political strategist who's already been mayor before and he like his life has been ruined and he's like helping somebody else through it because when he's coaching Amanda later he is you see how trained he is and how the advice he's giving is like no just don't argue and just just keep your answers very short. And then don't really argue. And then just don't sound like bitchy or like, what does he say?

16:51Ronnie Karam: Don't sound snippy. Don't get snippy. I was like, oh my god, Wes. Without you, you're already so far down the path of evil to just now be like, hey, listen to it. No one wants to see you cry. You're in the workplace. Don't be snippy.

17:08Ben Mandelker: But by the way, that's like, good luck with that advice for the rest of your relationship also outside the reunion too. No kidding. It's Amanda. Okay. We've given her more or less a snippy pass for 10 years, but the pass has expired. So now good luck with the snippy.

17:23Ronnie Karam: Oh, but also what every woman wants to hear from their new boyfriend. Don't be snippy. Keep your answers short and don't be snippy. And she just cuddles with her little security blanket. She's like, yeah, I guess I'm not doing too good. A little

17:36Ben Mandelker: hummingbird lands in the loop of her ponytail. I'm just kidding.

17:43Ronnie Karam: it's like her head looks pregnant with worse hair if that's possible okay so then um i don't you know i don't know if we remember this but really the person this affects is kj so kj is like uh sorry i'm just gonna be honest right now like i don't want to take up a bunch of time

18:03Ben Mandelker: so he knows people are being i went on to twitter yesterday and there was kj went on to carl's podcast and he was talking, he's been talking about his mental health struggles and how he had, oh, oh, one thing must say last week when he said, oh, I was diagnosed with BPD and I was like, I just saw BPD and I was like, oh, I guess, is that like bipolar disorder? A lot of feedback. It's not. It's borderline personality disorder.

18:31Ronnie Karam: So yeah, I didn't argue with you because I don't know.

18:34Ben Mandelker: I was like, I was like, wow, I got an easy fix for that acronym. um but apologies for anyone uh who was misled by me on that uh but he's been talking about that and he and he talked on carl's podcast about how uh one of the reasons he had to take like a break from dara because uh he needed to go to rehab and like focus on himself it was like a nice little like you know here's what's up with kj it was like to me it was neither here nor there it was like oh this is interesting to know and there were so many people who were so mean to him in the comments what they were like they're like i never liked that guy or something about him is off or and or i don't know this guy's weird or whatever i was like what is wrong with you people yeah seriously this guy is like literally just saying like what he went through and you guys are all like like being like he's weird he's strange i don't know i'm like you are you are you are so

19:26Ronnie Karam: cruel okay like that's crazy i'm sorry he's like such a sweet guy he's so sweet you know i just tease him about it all being about KJ because they keep cutting to him during the whole reunion. They'll be talking about something that's not him and it just cuts to KJ looking like he's the one who cheated is what it looks like. He's just like, oh my God, it's okay KJ. Yeah, but I'm just like, people are crazy. People are, you know. You know what I did yesterday? I haven't seen stuff like that about KJ. You know, so I'm disappointed to hear that. Especially on Carl's podcast because you would think that that would be like a more sensitive crowd if you're listening to Carl.

20:05Ronnie Karam: He's like the soft king.

20:07Ben Mandelker: But these were not people that were Carl's podcast fans. It was like an item that I think was put up on page six and it was put up on Twitter. Oh, I see.

20:16Ronnie Karam: So it's like page six people. Well, that's different.

20:20Ben Mandelker: Those people are mean to babies. I've been dealing with bots for the past 12 hours because yesterday, I don't know what came over me. It was like election day in California and I just felt I was really good about not weighing in on this because I knew it's like Ben you're just gonna invite so much annoyance into your life but I was like you know what I've gotta I'm gonna use my platform and I basically put out on threads like don't vote for Spencer Pratt and um the amount of bots I have received in response you know they they're all bots they're bots it's every single person has a private profile with 33 followers and they're and it's like it's clearly bots okay and i choose to believe that they're bots and they're just like fuck you stupid your mom should have aborted you i was like your mom should have aborted i was like this is why you shouldn't vote for spencer pratt because if he is sending out bots like this to constituents that's not good that's not smart okay but anyway so i've been dealing i've been

21:15Ronnie Karam: dealing with bots so i'm actually just ask are you sure there are bots because the world has gone so crazy like i don't even know oh yeah i mean i would believe if they were real people

21:24Ben Mandelker: Maybe Diana sent them Jenkins

21:29Ronnie Karam: She's like and also I wish your mother had aborted you And also Garcelle's son sucks She's still going to be like She's still doing it

21:39Ben Mandelker: Garcelle's son for not mayor I'm like okay this bot is a little out of touch

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24:12Ben Mandelker: so kj kj explains he gives further context as why he is upset at west and he says my dad was like a very womanizing player and my mom had to deal with so much shit it was like so that's why i'm hurting because like i don't like it you know i grew up with firsthand watching it destroy my family and my dad's a habitual liar and he lies to everyone and then he puts on his persona he's got everything together and makes people feel good and you know he basically is like like my dad's like you he's

24:38Ronnie Karam: charming yeah he's got a really stupid haircut and you know he makes people feel good and then he fucks them over just like you and west is just nodding like yeah and then and then kj was like

24:50Ben Mandelker: also by the way you may have forgotten we had that really good talk over the summer remember what that was about did you remember it did you take anything away from that you know west was like um was it when we compared onion rings to french fries and i was team onion ring no remember we had the talk

25:06Ronnie Karam: about being black people on TV and how that affects you and the dynamic. And then we see clips from that scene where Wes is like, wow, I just want to thank you for giving me all the emojis. And I totally get it. Before I didn't get it, but now, I totally get it. Oh, my God. Can you, like, please, please just stop. Like, just stop speaking. All the not speaking you're doing in this reunion is perfect. Just pick that up, please.

25:37Ben Mandelker: Like, Sierra, you're, like, a part of the hospital ICU. Okay? So don't worry. I see you. The way he says, I see you. And the way Amanda says, I see you. It's just crazy.

25:47Ronnie Karam: And Sierra's like, yeah, you know, I'm trying to tell people what's going on. Nobody understands. And KJ says, yeah, and I don't like Sierra being treated that way. And Wes says, well, you know, I'll probably apologize to you again because, like, I don't know. Like, maybe it's not the right time. but you know maybe moving forward when it is the right time or when i don't know like you're feeling like everything's like okay again and like um oh my god slap him on the back of the head i can't

26:15Ben Mandelker: how can you fuck somebody who can't form a sentence well you do remember when he did you know when he did apologize to kj in all seriousness the night before watch what happened it was like i thought either night before or like that day right which i think is like in retrospect i'm like i sort of didn't even think about that timing but i'm like he knew kj was going to watch what happens yeah

26:34Ronnie Karam: it's very kyle ruggards like sending dorit that really long text and dorit read it at the reunion like oh really now you're going to try and apologize right before the reunion how could you do that how could you read my text out loud um and it might not have been right before that because i think kj said something like he texted him but he never read the text so it could have

26:53Ben Mandelker: been weeks oh never mind my theory is total okay i probably should have done more research before I was like, he texted him right before he went live. I was like, no, I have no idea. The way we make things bigger in our heads. And another thing. So anyway, Wes is like, yeah, we'll have a conversation. Okay, well, thank you for that. By the way, thank you for that conversation. First of all, it was...

27:17Ronnie Karam: The point is, I'm so sorry. It's just so infuriating. The point isn't that you need to apologize to KJ. You don't need to take KJ to a separate lunch to apologize. He's just pointing out that you're a total fucking faker. Why do you need to apologize for that? You don't because you're just going to fake again. And I'm so glad that someone points out in a minute. I think it's Lindsay. Someone's like, you guys just take therapy speak. Like it's so obvious that you've been planning this because you're taking the same code words and being like, oh, I hear you. I see you. You're doing all of that shit.

27:47Ronnie Karam: So it's obvious that they've been in cahoots for a long time.

27:50Ben Mandelker: Yeah, 100%. let's also just like and koo-toots or they just have a really like they just have a chat GPT account and they're like this is what do you say when you get in trouble so anyway Andy's like okay well by the way that conversation was edifying and necessary what led you to speak on it in that moment and Sierra's like well it's just been like years of you know of it building up and I just felt like it was like the right moment you know and like I'm not gonna sugarcoat things anymore and Andy asks her what's the most important thing that she wants viewers to understand. And she's like, you know, there's a lot of racial dynamics that happen in this group.

28:25Ben Mandelker: And that's part of having interracial relationships and interracial friendships and intercultural relationships and friendships. And if I'm having white friends in this day and age, we're going to talk about race. I mean, how can we not? Politically speaking, it's like turmoil outside. And I don't want to be friends if we're not talking about the political climate of this world. And there's a whole other layer that we experience it in. So yeah, the conversations are vital. And you just know like West and the man are like, uh-huh, uh-huh.

28:48Ronnie Karam: yeah they're just amanda's just staring off in the space with her homer simpson eyes like they really need to have bushes for her to just like crawl like lean back into big eyes just so this is where sierra is the one who says it and because andy says did you believe west bullshit when he was apologizing to you at that table and she's like well i mean i did then but obviously not now you know it's very clear they were using buzzwords like i see you i hear you to satiate maybe what I needed to hear, but they didn't really see or hear me. And Amanda's like, everything I've said to you over the summer, like everything I felt, like everything we talked about, like it was true in those moments, you know, like this has really hurt me a lot.

29:34Ben Mandelker: I couldn't believe that that's where she went. This I was like, this is like the race segment. And this is what you're going to you're going to lead with.

29:40Ronnie Karam: I would have thought that she's also using the white lady tears in the middle of the race segment. I mean, listen, baby Karen, do you not have you paid no attention to the news? I mean, like, I'll give you a break. OK, I'll give you a lifetime. Have you at least not paid attention to the news in the past five years?

29:58Ben Mandelker: At least like, girl, I mean, like, I don't expect anyone in Summer House to pay attention to the news ever. But I think like what's crazy is like to me, the response and she should have been prepared for this question because this has been such an underlying element of this entire scandal is the racial element. and like the fact that she wasn't even prepared she didn't even bother to do like the legwork to be able to come up with a response that's like you know what like um i i was totally sincere in that moment and i think what kills me the most in this is that i'm contributing to an ongoing pattern that sierra has probably felt in her life of white guys coming in and just sort of like experiencing her and then moving on yada yada yada like you would think she would just put in the effort to try to like have that moment especially in the context of after having that conversation over the summer after seeing what sierra went through with jesse and just being generally aware of the world in 2026 and the fact that her takeaway was well i got caught up in my feelings and this just really hurts me a lot i'm like what how is that what how is that your takeaway from in this in this segment specifically she's like i'm so hurt have you seen my bun

31:12Ronnie Karam: so sierra's like you are not hurt you guys have been out every night being photographed everywhere drinking your faces off give me a fucking break and she's like you haven't been with me yeah because you haven't called her back and you've been fucking your ex behind her back amanda yeah

31:25Ben Mandelker: exactly so mia's like well you guys have been up and down every bar in the west village and a yankees game a yankees game she's and sierra's like yeah amanda i think like it's insane because you've literally been in the bed with me for the past six fucking years and like this is where we're at okay well given how privy priv callback you've been to what's gone on and between the two then and his kind of inability to commit to sierra what does that make you think that's different in this situation she's like um i mean that's a conversation that wes and i have had and like we've talked about that privately and like what what this would look like and what this man and And the only reason I feel like I'm sitting here right now, right next to him.

32:10Ben Mandelker: So basically she's like, he assured me that he'd be with her.

32:14Ronnie Karam: I'm like, yeah. I know he's not going to be a fuck boy because we've talked about it.

32:18Ben Mandelker: Did you just get out of a relationship where all you received were assurances that didn't come true?

32:23Ronnie Karam: No. People don't learn. I mean, you've been on the message board. Where's the education in this country going? hopefully Spencer Pratt will teach all our children the right way. Spencer Pratt will fix everything for some reason. So Sierra's like, you know, that's insane. Yeah, she's like, you're nuts. So Amanda's like, yeah, we've had the conversation. And Lindsay goes, I'm a motherfucker. Amanda's like, yeah, but like I wanted to get to a point, like selfishly, where I wanted to understand what's going on because like, you know, I knew that I would have to be honest with Sierra no matter what.

33:02Ronnie Karam: and I felt embarrassed to say I have feelings and that I've kissed West. So, you know, I like had to have the conversation with West before I could have the conversation with Sierra because I was just like so embarrassed.

33:17Ben Mandelker: You had to have the conversation with West before Sierra. I think it goes the other way around. I think you have the conversation with Sierra first to be like you're developing feelings and yada, yada, yada.

33:25Ronnie Karam: I think she's saying she had to make, she had to get confirmation from West that this was even a thing so that she could tell Sierra it's not just, you know, we're not just fucking around. Like, that would make it better. It doesn't make it better. I'm like, it's too late.

33:39Ben Mandelker: At that point, like, the fact that there even was a gray area is already a problem. Like, there shouldn't have been a gray area. Or if there was gonna, if you started to feel like you were going into a gray area, you gotta talk to Sierra first. I'm sorry. You don't go into the gray area and then talk to Sierra to see whether or not it's gonna become a black and white situation. So, and then Mia says it best. She goes, yeah, it's embarrassing. so then Amanda's like I think I need to take a break for a second so she's she goes off yeah a second a very long second

34:09Ronnie Karam: I'm going to go cuddle with my blanket of course she's going to go into her dressing room and make everybody wait on her now you know yeah this is not enough

34:16Ben Mandelker: about you already did you not know that these questions were coming for you so then she gets up and then Wes just stays there and like twiddles his thumbs and Lindsay of course pounces why isn't her boyfriend going after her why aren't you doing that? Why aren't you going? And he was like, why aren't you going after her? Why don't you go after her? And he was like, go after your girl. Go after your girl. And he's like, well, I didn't know if the questions were going to come back to me, so I wanted to be able to answer questions. I was like, wow, you're even more in this moment, too.

34:40Ronnie Karam: Because you're doing such a good job of it so far. Just go. Jesus, you're adding nothing. So Amanda's like, can I please just not be on camera for like five minutes? And then back on the couches, Kyle's like, you know, I like to think we could create an environment where we can talk, but my tongue's not working very well right now. How much did you have to drink today, Kyle. Shut up. This is mouthwash. But, you know, she keeps shutting down and feeling like she's getting interrupted. We're not going to make any progress. And Sierra's like, roll in the mud. You're going to get dirty. Okay? Like, I don't want to hear it.

35:11Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And Lindsay's like, no one was even interrupting her. Like, do you know how many times I was in the fucking hot seat where I had everyone on this couch coming for me year after year after year after year after year after year after year?

35:22Ben Mandelker: And she's right. And Mia's like, yeah. And you never got up and left, even though I wasn't here. but I watched it and she's like yeah I'm never gonna laugh you should go after your fucking girl because Wes is still sitting there by the way yeah but you come to be fair there's such

35:36Ronnie Karam: different personalities I mean you come for Lindsay and you're gonna be the one who wants to leave that reunion yeah exactly I wouldn't go up against her yeah exactly so Wes is still

35:46Ben Mandelker: sitting there and she's like you should go after your fucking girl and you can see Kyle Kyle wants to actually go up and and console Amanda like his instinct is to go after her and he's sitting there and he's like this is he's like oh my god you can see he's tortured and so uh west is like no but like we can't like we're not gonna like both leave because like one of us has to be on camera right because like otherwise we lose followers or something

36:10Ronnie Karam: but if i don't leave so far i'm a minute and a half ahead in camera time so i get up and follow your girlfriend he goes no because then we're gonna like get up and leave and then your guys are going to bitch that we left. So, like, just ask me questions. She's like, no, if you want to be a fucking man, make a decision as a man. What made you think that West wants to be a man? He dresses like a teenager on TikTok. There's nothing about this man that screams like, I can't wait to be an adult.

36:37Ben Mandelker: Yeah, seriously, it's a teenager going to his first debate club appearance.

36:41Ronnie Karam: He is... How dare you? The debate club makes a lot of effort. There's not mulleted little mushroom heads going in there. You're right. I'm sorry. Well, there probably are.

36:49Ben Mandelker: I mean, someone going to the first varsity dinner. Okay. But the point is, the point is even his response saying like, I'm not going to go because you guys are going to then bitch about how I left. It just goes to show that he's still more concerned about what people think about him than actually being there for the person that he is, you know, dragged into a. They keep saying that West, you know, we have Derek coming in a minute who lays this out.

37:18Ronnie Karam: Like West really only cares about pleasing people and he really only wants approval. I don't think that's true. I think he just wants attention. And that's different than wanting approval because the shit he's doing is not approval getting, you know. I think he's just crossed over to where he's, you know, that happens on reality shows, especially Bravo. Because the audience on Bravo will really obviously rip you a new one for a couple of years. And then these shows repeat and then the Bravo, they're always at you. and I think that it breaks them down to the point where they're like, well, that sucks but then they're still reading comments like, well, I still got a lot of comments.

37:54Ronnie Karam: I'm still the star of this show and then it just becomes attention.

37:58Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I think that he's just I think he's really into cultivating an image for himself, obviously, and I think he likes the attention and those things are just uniquely dovetailed because you can't get the attention without having that image and you can't have that image without the attention and I think he's just wrapped up in all of that and I think he's just always seen himself as a good I think he's he has just been always a fuckboy and like a shitty guy for all this time but he doesn't view himself that way instead he views himself as actually I'm a good guy underneath it all I just have these things but people think I'm bad so he's like really interested you know I don't even know why I'm trying to explain anything that's patently obvious to everyone

38:36Ronnie Karam: so Lindsay all the time we're spending trying to figure out what is inside West is more time than he's ever spent figuring out what's inside anybody else i can guarantee you that yeah exactly

38:48Ben Mandelker: let's try to find out what's inside a peeps it's like we know she's marshmallow so lindsey is like uh so he's like he gets up and he leaves and so then mia's asking if kyle's okay i mean by the way kyle really locked into this reunion there's no reason for kyle to after this season there's no reason for kyle to have such a sympathetic reunion where people like are you okay kyle That was hilarious.

39:12Ronnie Karam: People checking in on Kyle and then all the stuff in their marriage, which comes later. But we're talking just what a shitty husband Kyle is, which is all valid. I mean, Amanda can suck and this all still be true. And just Kyle trying to like victimize himself. And the way that the rest of the cast is like, oh, like they're just cringing. Like, I have to be on this person's side right now. It's like anybody who watches The Valley is doing with Janet. Like, we're all like, oh, Jesus, I have to say Janet's right right now. okay but i'm gonna do it but you're only getting this hour so enjoy your hours hour of janet

39:47Ben Mandelker: uh so they're checking in con he's like it's weird it's like oh man i almost got up this is rad and bailey's like i almost got up to go after her too okay bailey let's relax

39:56Ronnie Karam: yeah bailey's bailey's like i needed a moment after my after my yelling at ben but by the way

40:00Ben Mandelker: bailey and dara last week was bailey's moment bailey was like i feel like a lot of people were talking about actually bailey was a bit controversial last week too on social media there were a lot of Because we were like, oh, my God, that was great. What Bailey like Bailey was like on it. She like called Ben on the ship. But there were a lot of people that were like, what did Ben do? Ben just like responded. And then she like she's being like crazy right now.

40:24Ronnie Karam: Well, there's always that element, right? That like you guys. And I don't mean just us, but it is us. You know, women can be dicks, too. Oh, we know we cover Bravo. It's not like we ever say women can't be dicks. and it's not like Ben didn't have a right to go say something to Bailey. Of course he did. If he was upset, he had a right to say he's upset. It's not that he did it. It's how he did it. It's not that he says things. It's how he does it. He's so fucking condescending and he doesn't let it go. Then he criticizes a room. Then he just makes her feel like shit. There's a way you guys. Yes, you're allowed to tell your spouse to fuck off.

40:57Ronnie Karam: It's the way you do it. I mean, my God, you guys, come on. Like get a little nuance here. Would you want your husband talking to you like this? Or would you want your, you want your husband talking to you like this? Or you want some man coming up to you being like, oh, I really didn't appreciate it. And I really didn't appreciate it. And I still don't appreciate it. Maybe it's just because you like me. And then that and all the other shit he did. Jesus Christ.

41:18Ben Mandelker: Plus also it was really about celebrating how ready Bailey was. And Bailey just came in and she said it exactly how it needed to be said. Succinctly, cleanly, authoritatively in a way that I was like, good for you. And then Dara does the same thing this episode.

41:31Ronnie Karam: But then people also do take it too far with stuff. It's like, you know, Bailey was like, I don't like the way you speak to women and I don't like the way you speak to Sabrina. And then every, you know, not everybody, but there was a lot of people who were like, fuck, fuck Ben. He's an abuser. And it turns into that. Yeah. Which is like, OK, like maybe, you know, Sabrina had to put out a thing. She's like, hi, everybody. It's me. Current star of Summer House, Sabrina Bell. I love you all. I love all of my fans. So please just stop bullying Ben because I love Ben. Even his mom loves Ben. everybody loves men and loves women anyway gonna go meet up with sierra now

42:09Ben Mandelker: um so um so west comes into the dressing room and he's like hey um i came to make sure that you're good because everybody made me lindsey was screaming at me she's like no just like her gama's just like really got like really fucking deep you know what fucking cuts deep when you sleep with your best friend's ex that has she has a she has a deep relationship with a complicated one that's what cuts deep more than some comments at a reunion i felt like this line shows west

42:42Ronnie Karam: pretty clearly if you have to cry on stage cry on stage it's like use this what are you talking about yeah use those lady tears on the stage ma 'am so then we go back to the couches and me He was like, oh, my God, this is ridiculous. Like, this day is already 18 hours. Now we have to wait for this girl to stop crying. Guy was like, I almost got up. Sierra says, you fucked my ex, but then I scoff and you can't sit there. Exactly.

43:06Ben Mandelker: That's basically a better way of saying what I just said.

43:08Ronnie Karam: And by the way, you know what? Like, a scoff should not be enough. But, you know, I think she's like, I don't care. But, I mean, it's the comments from, like, 30 minutes ago. She goes, okay, well, she's had historically low self-esteem. Like, I didn't lie.

43:23Ben Mandelker: Hey, Jesse here. Kyle, did Amanda ask you to like chill things out? It's like, oh, no. And Andy's like, well, he doesn't know her. I just I think that she's struggling.

43:34Ronnie Karam: And Andy's well, so are UPS workers. They still get in their truck every day and bring me my boxes. I've never seen anybody work harder. Have you seen their legs? They're bigger than a small child. Yeah, I'll say the UPS workers in New York City.

43:46Ben Mandelker: I don't know how they do it.

43:47Ronnie Karam: I don't know how they do it. I don't even know how people ride the subway. Damn it. My hips are about to fall off. There's too many stairs. You know what? If we're going to vote for somebody, let's vote for somebody who's outlawed stairs. Because those are ridiculous. An escalator platform. People to carry me up. Get the Amazon workers to do it. Get the UPS guys to do it. They're so strong. You cannot have your hips fall off. Like literally they're falling off.

44:09Ben Mandelker: They're the most truth-telling parts of our bodies.

44:11Ronnie Karam: Is that true? No, I don't think for boys. They don't lie, though. I think boys, it's our muffin tops. He's not getting it. He's not getting it. Yeah. Hips don't lie? I can't. No, you have to explain it to me now. Taylor can you help with this our producer Taylor for today what is he saying the hips are the most honest part of us hips don't lie what is it oh Shakira whatever I was like please help me land this pun didn't Shakira chase a boar

44:44Ben Mandelker: no actually the other way around a boar a wild pig chaser in Spain oh that's terrible

44:50Ronnie Karam: I thought she chased the boar Can you imagine? She's like, my hips have something to say to you.

44:58Ben Mandelker: Like, to the left, to the left. I love the narrative that Shakira's going around chasing bores. Hey, get out of, no pictures.

45:04Ronnie Karam: I was like, wow, Shakira's really a badass. Those things will eat you. Commercials, here comes one right now.

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47:53Ben Mandelker: I know. Like, uh, I was trying to get into, just a little, just, you know, tighten up a little bit before our little cabaret and my reunion. So all I've done in the past two weeks of meeting, like croissant, croissant, croissant, croissant, like am I sure? I can't tell.

48:07Ronnie Karam: That's when they're trying to tighten up.

48:09Ben Mandelker: Am I stressed?

48:11Ronnie Karam: All right, West, what's going on with Amanda? He's like, well, she took a beat. She's taking a beat. Yeah, but we're good. Let's go. Let's do this. Lindsay's like, now I need to get up. Like, maybe we can take a break. I don't know. And he's like, all right, let's take a break. Oh, Levi, by the way, thanks for joining us. You've been called back to the other side. Okay.

48:35Ben Mandelker: You can join Imrule over there. So it was like, I'm having an orgy in the green room. So Andy's like, we'll be right back. Okay. This is the cruelest thing that Andy does all reunion. Levi's nice and you hope to see you soon. Andy, you know, you were never seeing Levi again.

48:54Ronnie Karam: You know, the next time you see that girl, she's going to be a name on the back of a jean. So you're never going to see this woman ever again. So she leaves. And I was kind of annoyed because Bailey and Levi were on Watch What Happens a couple of weeks ago. and they were dissing Dara on that show and saying she's just there for the fame and the clout. And I was really hoping that Andy would ask them about that, you know, in front of Dara and let Dara tell them off because we need some Dara telling somebody off.

49:20Ben Mandelker: I think maybe if we didn't have the scandal, there would have been some time for that.

49:23Ronnie Karam: But I think we've got a three-hour reunion. I don't need this all to be the thing, you know? I don't know. I kind of do. I'm really into it. I mean, they should have cut the Jesse singing part. I don't need to watch Jesse crying over himself singing on a cliff either. And then it comes back from the cliff and he's crying. He's like, that was beautiful. I think that was beautiful guys.

49:51Ben Mandelker: He, yeah, we'll get to that. But yeah, I feel like, you know, I think the problem with Levi is just that she was not, she was just too normal for the show. I think really to be on a reality show, you need to have some sort of like, initiative to kind of jump in even when it's not your turn or when you're not asked about things, you still jump in. And she's being like a normal person, which is, well, if no one's talking to me, I'm not going to just jump. I'm not going to butt into someone's conversation, you know?

50:19Ronnie Karam: And that's where she. Yeah, she really could. I mean, to be on Summer House, you have to be one of three things. You have to want to fuck somebody, you have to fuck somebody, or you have to have just fucked somebody. And that's it. Otherwise, you're out of here.

50:32Ben Mandelker: She got stepped on him by a goat.

50:33Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so she didn't have any of those things. But coming into the reunion, you need to make shit your business and yell at people that probably don't deserve it from you. I know.

50:41Ben Mandelker: I don't know why I like her so much. I really do. Well, she's a nice person.

50:45Ronnie Karam: She seems to be a very nice person.

50:47Ben Mandelker: Very lovely. Yeah, she seems to be very nice. I think it's just, you know, the few moments we got with her I thought were funny. And I just, I really enjoyed her relationship with Bailey. I really did. And I felt like, yes, she didn't really have a presence on the season. But I also felt like Bravo should have. if they gave us like 10 seasons and a spinoff with danielle can we get like a little bit more

51:05Ronnie Karam: levi for for christ's sake yeah i mean i'm not i really like levi i think she's sweet but i'm not asking for any more of that you know what i mean she's like a peanut butter truffle i think i would

51:17Ben Mandelker: like levi more than sabrina bell if i had sabrina bell's not here no i know but i'm saying oh you

51:22Ronnie Karam: scared me i was like oh jesus what is she coming out next oh my god i'm always here because sierra and I are spiritually connected. Yeah, she's under Sierra's chair. I'm just here. Lifting up a Kleenex.

51:33Ben Mandelker: No, but I just feel like we got more Sabrina Bell content and like, there's more discussion about Sabrina Bell, but ultimately

51:39Ronnie Karam: I think I would like to do that. Because Sabrina Bell did it right. She came right in. She's like, Sierra, we're best friends. God, it's been so nice being your best friend for 30 years. I love you, girl.

51:48Ben Mandelker: She did the reality star thing. So anyway, speaking of, um, Ben and Carl go sit down next to Kyle on the sofa. Ben's like, How's it going? And Kyle's like, I'm just not, I'm trying not to get heated, you know? And he's like, oh, hang in. He can hear, he can hear. Just hang in there. Okay.

52:07Ronnie Karam: So, Kyle, here's the thing. I'm just going to be honest. You know, Kyle loves saying that. I'm just going to be honest, guys. I'm here to focus on West's ease of lying.

52:18Ben Mandelker: Well, he had a girlfriend this entire time. It's unreal. I am furious.

52:25Ronnie Karam: We know that he had a full-blown exclusive relationship since February 2025. We have receipts. And I reached out to Mia because of curiosity. He got the best of me. And we went back and forth for like a week. We made it out. I don't remember it, though, so don't tell anybody. Everything I started learning about West made me question who he is. Who is West? Not like Mia. So I'd like to share notes with Sierra because you two should talk, okay? you know like he knew she was gonna have this glow up big breakup with the bad guy and carl's like well it's the only relationship that works because she can't commit because she's still married to

53:00Ben Mandelker: you oh yeah and sierra's like yeah she's like emotionally unavailable exactly good one sierra so good yeah sierra's like yeah so technically that's like perfect for him a married girl It's the perfect scenario. Oh, my God. It's all coming together. I'm a mess.

53:19Ronnie Karam: So two minutes, everyone. And Jesse's like, well, you know, people are always asking me, like, is this fake? Is this fake? No, it's absolutely not fake. It's not fake. Am I right? Wish it were.

53:33Ben Mandelker: So then KJ like hugs and he's like, my boys, we lost one, but we're still strong. So now here comes Dara. Here comes Dara's big entrance. And then meanwhile, in the Amanda and Wes dressing room, Wes is like, do you need more time? Or are we going to go? Because we're not on camera right now. And that's a little bit of a bummer. I don't know. I was sort of hoping for some cammy time. I don't know.

53:59Ronnie Karam: And Lindsay's on stage. Like, are my hands? So Dara, here she comes. Everybody's like, you look great. You're Dara. Do you box? Are you a bully? She's like, yeah, I box. I'm a bully. So Derek comes out and Andy's like, wow, you and KJ look sharp and you're matching white. She's like, it was not an accident. We're together. We're that couple.

54:22Ben Mandelker: Yeah. We coordinate. It's really cool. So Andy's like, Wes, what's going on with Amanda, by the way? She's coming soon. She just needs like a little bit more time to reflect on how she is the victim in Sierra's story here. Okay, great.

54:41Ronnie Karam: She just needs to come out semi-crying again after making everybody wait again to remind everybody that this is about her. Get your ass out on the stage. So Dara, so Andy's like, okay, so KJ and Dara, you've been together for what, like 10 months?

54:56Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I mean, not congruently. Congruent. But we're like hitting that point where it feels like we're reflecting back at the starting point, and it's crazy to imagine how much we've gone through up to now. I mean, we went to a beach together. We went on a date. We saw Tyler, the creator. It was great. And it's even crazier to know that this is the strongest relationship I'll probably ever have. So it feels really nice.

55:17Ronnie Karam: I'll sort of defeatist. So then to be like, well, this is it. This is it for me is the last stop on the Dara train. So I guess I'm going to make this one work. She's just pitching herself for next season.

55:30Ben Mandelker: Like we're such a great, we're such a great couple. Some would say we were almost the bedrock of the summer house. Some would say we deserve that main bedroom. Don't we? Huh?

55:38Ronnie Karam: Well, Andy, I'm eating the last hamburger they had on the menu. So I'm just going to make this one work. Okay. Dara's time is out. There is an expiration date on my forehead, like a milk carton. And this is it. And he's like, wow. Well, you know, KJ just shared very emotional update about what he went through this past fall. And I can only imagine what sort of toll that put on your relationship. So I'm not going to ask anything about it. What do you think about West?

56:04Ben Mandelker: Yeah. You're here only to talk about West.

56:08Ronnie Karam: So she's like, you know, like, I'm going to be honest. West, yeah, I don't see you waking up one day and suddenly becoming a decent fucking person. So, you know, like you only want people to think of you as a good guy. But then you treat the women that give you themselves like garbage. So, you know, people aren't expendable. And he's like, any response, West? And West is like, my thumbnail tastes like chocolate.

56:34Ben Mandelker: I feel like after Dara had that like brief but potent read of West, when she's like, yeah you treat women like like you know you treat the women that give themselves to you like they're expendable i feel like andy was like excuse me one second i just have to go over to this corner okay i'm just here in the corner okay everyone i'm back and i've got my serious face on again

56:54Ronnie Karam: i'm sorry i totally agree with you and that reminds me i need to call nene leaks and fire her again okay so um west is like uh like any response and was like um no i understand that and uh yeah i agree okay well i'm gonna skip through these amanda questions because she's not here why are you an asshole why do you have a man bun why don't you have any makeup on seriously only eyeliner okay why does the back of your head look like a teacup today is that a handle okay i'm gonna carl's like well i would love her to just hear what jared said you know if i'm being honest i

57:32Ben Mandelker: was just being recorded or something so that would by the way that was i love andy uh getting uh bitchy he's like well i guess i'll skip all these questions just went from kyle to andy in one sentence so kyle is so then he's like okay well um all right kyle's like i'm just worried for her

57:51Ronnie Karam: and she goes then go find her he goes i mean more how more awkward can get this get i don't know Kyle, maybe if you pulled out Texas from West's from West X I love that Kyle's like, I just don't want to hurt everybody. I want to protect Amanda get Mia on the phone

58:07Ben Mandelker: Mia's like, so who's going to go now, West or Kyle? Who's on Amanda duty? Let's see how weird we can make it

58:15Ronnie Karam: Well, I mean, West isn't stepping up so her husband might as well

58:20Ben Mandelker: Sierra's like, so she's just going to come to the reunion and not participate in the reunion it's like come on husband it's your turn of the hot seat oh jesus christ so now kyle gets up i mean this is crazy like the fact that kyle has to be the one to go fetch amanda which is like they're first of all they're in the process of divorcing or splitting i don't know what the state

58:40Ronnie Karam: of their marriage is right now but like amanda called the lawyer one time that's what we found out last week she's very serious about this she called the lawyer one yeah um but like now i just

58:51Ben Mandelker: feel like this is like Kyle should not have to be the one to rescue Amanda in this situation. It was your lawyer, Amanda.

58:57Ronnie Karam: His name is Accidentes. One of the Spanish... Greg Conover. Hello, I'm Greg Conover. But it's also funny that neither one of the men in Amanda's life voluntarily get up to go check on her. They both have to be forced by the rest of the cast. They're like, I don't want to go over there. Get up. Go get her. Go fetch her. So Kyle does but they're like, oh, no, they said that she's on the way back. So he gets to sit back down. So she comes back out as slowly as possible. It's her little tissue.

59:29Ben Mandelker: And I think she's actually still not quite back out yet. Oh, is she not back out yet? I think they just said, don't worry, she's actually, she's in the process of coming out, but she's not quite there.

59:37Ronnie Karam: Oh, yeah, it was a very slow flip-flopped walk on the way back.

59:41Ben Mandelker: Which is shocking because Amanda's known for being very hasty with things. So Andy's like, all right, well, while we wait for Amanda to join us, I want to switch gears and talk about three of our summer house lover boys, Ben, KJ, and Jesse. We had very clear intentions coming into summer, but somewhere along the way, those plans took a few unexpected detours. Wow, we couldn't even work in any puns in this one. That's crazy.

1:00:06Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so we watched the boys flirting with the girls and all that stuff that happened over the summer. And Andy's like, well, knowing now that Ben may have been thinking about Sabrina at the time, does any of that flirting make you think, Lindsay? and she's like, um, it makes a lot more sense. Now I feel better about myself. Still got it.

1:00:25Ben Mandelker: So then Andy, then Andy basically is like, um, well, knowing that Ben may have been thinking, yeah, just like what you said. So now we have this hilarious monologue. I thought it was funny. I guess it's supposed to be like a nice monologue, but I just was laughing because Andy's like, Ben, what's your family's reaction been like to Sabrina? You brought her to Australia? And he's like, yeah, thank you for asking me a bit there. What was really touching actually pun intended because this is going to be a monologue about touching and feeling things is that my relationship with my father hasn't been good and you know i haven't hugged him i haven't hugged him for years and years and years but then sabrina would come over and then like she made an effort every day to give my dad a hug in the morning and then right in front of me they'll hug and then sometimes when i'm not even there they'll hug and she'll

1:01:09Ronnie Karam: just hug and hug and hug and this sounds like family porn what are we getting into one time

1:01:14Ben Mandelker: a couple of weeks ago he touched my shoulder and for the first time since i was 19 i hugged him when we left so that was all because of sabrina bell she allowed us to hug mike you know you could have also just gone and hugged your dad too by the way all this time yeah she's like my she melted the icy icy heart of the patriarchy andy oh yeah so if there wasn't a dry eye in all of america after that. Yeah, Ben got his hug.

1:01:42Ronnie Karam: So, long story short, Sabrina's a hugger.

1:01:45Ben Mandelker: No, it's more like the dad said, okay, okay, I'll fucking hug my son if you just get this crazy lady off of me.

1:01:54Ronnie Karam: That's really sweet. Sabrina told daddy it was okay to hug. So, um... Andy's like, what did you think of the speed of what is going on? Leave me alone, watch. What's going on? well now somebody's calling but yesterday kept telling me to stand up fuck off i've been said

1:02:14Ben Mandelker: did you not hear me say my hips are about to fall off um okay so andy asked kj what do you think someone's calling me did you are you calling me now no and we should have our ringers off

1:02:26Ronnie Karam: so how funny at sylvia all right let's take these calls should i take no no no no she'd be like what

1:02:32Ben Mandelker: are you talking what are you doing no i would answer and sylvia would say i'm at the farmer's Mark and I just saw the most amazing turnip. Sorry, Sylvia.

1:02:41Ronnie Karam: I didn't even know Persimmons were around this time of year, but they are. We love Sylvia. Sabrina taught me to hug Persimmons. So Andy's like, KJ, what did you think of the speed of Ben and Sabrina's relationship knowing how quickly you guys were going? And he's like, I have no place to judge Andy. And they all laugh.

1:03:01Ben Mandelker: The best is that they're all laughing and like, finally we can laugh and smile again. And it feels nice to remind ourselves that we as a group, we do have some pretty good times.

1:03:11Ronnie Karam: Oh, here's Amanda. Yeah, it's like shuffle, shuffle, shuffle. Hi, Amanda. It's like, hi, Andy. You know, I'm okay.

1:03:25Ben Mandelker: Okay, well, I'm glad you're okay because we want you to sit there and, okay, Dara's just going to aim this machine gun at you. your hand.

1:03:33Ronnie Karam: Hey, Amanda, it's not a good party without a pinata. So thank you for coming back. Everybody, here's a baseball bat. Who wants some Tootsie Rolls? Okay, Darren, you go first.

1:03:43Ben Mandelker: So she's like, well, I guess I just would like to reiterate to you, Amanda, that the biggest pattern in Wes's life is that it's always the Wes show, and it will always be the Wes show, and the biggest concern of his consistently is being well-liked and well-received, and he doesn't prioritize treating the women he is linked to romantically with the same respect as he does anybody else in his life.

1:04:01Ronnie Karam: and Sarah's like she's like okay okay girl go and she's like well I just foresee him for a long time wanting someone who will he can mold, fold and fit into his life without excuse or complaint and it's up to you to decide what's worth sacrificing for that kind of a person like damn and Wes is just sitting there nodding it's nice to be seen thank you she's so well spoken

1:04:27Ben Mandelker: and then Tara keeps going She goes, unfortunately, yeah, it's up to you to decide what's worth breaking, sacrificing, and losing for that kind of person. I'm like, wow, she is really great with these positives. I mean, she is just like, her listing of adjectives or words or gerunds is just really strong. I mean, Dara, really great. What's a gerund? It's like the I-N-G, breaking. It's called a gerund? A gerund.

1:04:51Ronnie Karam: G-E-R-U-N-D. I love it. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It's like a white kid's name in my neighborhood in Texas. Gerund? They just make up white kid names. There's a kid next door named Jevin. They were just like, it's like Kevin, but with a J. But I said, but why? Because. Yeah, they didn't have a reason. I guess you don't really need one to name your kid.

1:05:13Ben Mandelker: Yeah, you know, a lot of people, what they will do is they will take the mother and their father and they'll mix them together to make the new name.

1:05:20Ronnie Karam: Like the couple name. But then when you get divorced, that's so awkward. Yeah. You know? So then you just change your name to my dad sucks. Mom hates my dad. Mom hate dad. Mom hate dad. So Andy's like, okay, given that you're finding your voice over the last few years, it feels like watching you. Because he's talking to Amanda. And Kyle's like, he's like, why would you go from the Kyle show to the West show, Amanda? What the hell? And Kyle's like, hey, wait a minute. The Kyle show's not that bad. Sure, I drop some crossfades sometimes, but come on, I'm still new. Well, Andy, someone had to watch Joey after Friends.

1:05:59You know, spinoffs are there for a reason.

1:06:01Ben Mandelker: And he's like, yeah, I'm in. But like, you know, okay, well, I'll show you where that is moment, Kyle. Okay, I'm going to get back to you guys.

1:06:10Ronnie Karam: Congratulations, you've reached the end of part one of a two-part recap. For part two, go look for the recap that says part two.

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