#3394 Summer House S10E18 Part Two: Simply the West + In The City

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1:28Ben Mandelker: Watch What Crap It If you missed part one, go check out your podcast feed. It's right there. And without further ado, let's get right back into the recap. Listen, I know this was kind of a fun segment watching Dara read Amanda down and everything and Wes too, but let's give America what they really want. Jesse Solomon. Wow. Sparkling career of Jesse Solomon. Let's get into that. So, Jesse, Ariana from Scandiball says, I did this better. Jesse, in a confessional, you hinted at having real feelings for Sierra. But when confronted by Sierra, you froze and hit your feelings.

2:04Ronnie Karam: How did you really feel about her? OK, Jesse, the one who just said, everybody asked me if this is fake. It's not fake. Stop trying to make me think that you're after Sierra in any kind of way other than for TV when you never called her and tried anything until the TV cameras were rolling again. Shut up, Jesse. I don't believe you either. You're another one who's getting off very easily. He is. Because West fucked up.

2:25Ben Mandelker: Well, to show how sincere he is, he turns his big smile into a trapezoid again. And he's like, yeah, I think I caught some feelings and kind of like misread the situation. And I wish I'd handled it differently. And I never said it was a joke, but I won about

2:41Ronnie Karam: it in my typical joking fashion if you don't believe i'm upset look at my bottom molars yeah

2:48Ben Mandelker: look i am dragging the corners of my mouth so far down right now i'm so sincere and yeah i regret that a lot okay well was your song about being in love with your best friend about sierra no okay well um quincy from jones's ghost says what's going on with your music because it's awful did you write that song about Wes and Amanda? and he's like no I wrote that song a long time ago about a year ago about this Canadian girl I met once named Lexi oh yeah you know her it was called why is your mom and sister always in my bathroom

3:29Ben Mandelker: why did your mother put a tracker on my car and Cedaria goes well they can play it at their wedding now so it's perfect I sort of missed that when she said it So Andy was like, so what's your relationship status these days? Well, it's like all my music sales, single. So Andy's like, okay, well, do you want a commitment? Are you ready for a commitment? What's going on with you, Jesse? Yeah, I'm just looking for something more serious. Yeah, I really am.

3:55Ronnie Karam: All right, I'd like to say something here. It's me, Carl. Yeah, as the resident adult here, the most mature one here, all of you who haven't watched the past 10 seasons, Daddy Carl here. Okay. Anybody have a Mr. Roger sweater I could borrow? I want to tie my shoes during this segment. I just want to say, oh, wow. I'm just so impressed with Jesse. You know, like I told Jesse, look, I get it. I came up with somebody nobody wanted. Alcohol drinks with no alcohol in them. And I get, I get how hard that is. You know, no one wants to hear you sing, but just shove it down their throats anyway. They'll eventually like it.

4:31Ronnie Karam: And he did it. I'm so proud of him. Wow. Look at him.

4:34Ben Mandelker: Yeah, look at him. I mean, I think it's like great. He's like really focused on his career and, you know, being on the road, being a singer, you know. I think if there's anything that this show has proven to us is that when a man goes on the road for his career, all the relationships in his life really get better. So I'm really excited

4:51Ronnie Karam: that he wants that long-term commitment. What every man does when he wants a long commitment is start going on tour and hanging out with fans. We all know that, Andy. I'm proud of it.

5:01Ben Mandelker: As we all know, the way to show that you really want to settle down is to tour small cubs around the country singing mid-tempo

5:06Ronnie Karam: songs so uh he's like keep singing brother i feel like his music has taken a little bit of a beating online and carl's like yeah you know we put ourselves out there by signing up for this but like it's not really expected that our real life dreams are going to be shit on too i mean jesus like i'm djing like he can't sing i mean come on people yeah but you guys are also getting the huge advantage of having these kinds of careers because you have fans from these shows coming to them. Who would come see you, DJ? And who would come see Jesse sing these stupid juvenile songs unless he had the audience on this show?

5:43Ronnie Karam: So stop your crying. People are mean to Jesse. I'm so sorry. Well, Jesse's mean to my ears.

5:49Ben Mandelker: Yeah, we give flowers when they are deserved. I will always defend Drive Back by Candace Dillard. I think it's a great song no one ever came for drive back

6:00Ronnie Karam: I think everybody loves drive back like we'll come for coffee

6:05Ben Mandelker: and whatever it was but like you know if it's good it's good I will even defend you know which song I will always defend from the world of Bravo and the Real Housewives I do whatever I want that was written by Richard Marks I love that song I want that song released as a single and that one is a mid tempo you know soft rock song and i'm down for it i'm just saying jesse's stuff i just feel like is so

6:33Ronnie Karam: it's just so meh well jesse's stuff you know jesse's not the worst that they've come out with on this is the 100 like i think he's decent i mean he's better than the guy on real house was a rhode island doing frank sinatra night i mean he could take that over and he could do like frankie night he could do he's not like untalented or anything it's just he's such a goober it's cheesy too cheesy yeah it's cheese and but that's good you know look at how many people make fun of Josh Groban. He's laughing at them from Kenya's castle.

7:00Ben Mandelker: Josh Groban can really sing. I mean, Jesse sings, but Josh Groban sings.

7:08Ronnie Karam: I mean, yeah. He's still making me defend Josh Groban right now. Well, yeah, I'm just saying. People give him so much shit, and he keeps on. Jesse will probably do

7:16Ben Mandelker: some Broadway thing. He'll probably have a nice little role on a Broadway show. I've done that. Well, yeah, so they're like, yeah, he's putting himself out there. And that's more than 99 % of the people I know.

7:29Ronnie Karam: And that's a good point. You know, most people don't even try because they're afraid of being made fun of. And, you know, it's good. One of the most important things, I think, is being willing to look stupid and failing publicly. Yeah. And crying alone. Crying in your house when nobody else is there. Jesse. I love it. Been there. Live there. Jesse. By the way, come hear us sing terribly tonight.

7:55Ben Mandelker: I'm literally going on stage tonight.

7:58Ronnie Karam: And like, God help us. Look at me suddenly having sympathy for Jesse. I'm like, oh, Jesse, we got it. You're doing great, Jesse.

8:04Ben Mandelker: Can't wait to buy your album, buddy. Everyone come watch us revolutionize kick lines as we kick our legs into each other. There's a 60 % chance that that will happen.

8:18Ben Mandelker: Anyway, so Jesse is like, yeah, I really appreciate the support. You know, I've been seeing my whole life. And I went to music school and I'm really excited to be able to do this. And I'm grateful. And I'm just like, you know, your guys support us. It means, like, a lot. It's like, no.

8:30Ronnie Karam: Because they show a clip of him, and he's, like, crying at his own clip. He's like, oh, it's me. It's got to be me. Okay. Well, wow. That's great. After years of being locked in a downhill race to the bottom, Carl and Lindsey cautiously slid into a more peaceful dynamic this season. And Carl is a bottom. I'm sorry. Did I say that? Did I break news? Did I break news? Oh, but my veneers are on top. okay so we have a carl and lindsey segment which um it's been really nice to not have as much carl and lindsey this year only because man that got just so ugly so um carl talks about his business he's like oh i mean it's good oh we've had ups downs uh you know jesse's aware of the ups and downs as an investor and it cuts to jesse and jesse's like we're getting that money back yeah

9:18Ben Mandelker: Yeah, seriously. I will say this. We had a whole discussion on our Rhode Island recap about Audrey's and why Audrey's looks like a shitty place, right, and what was wrong with it. I do have to give credit to Carl, to Softbar. Softbar looks great. That's how Audrey's should look. And so, I don't know. I would go to Softbar to see what it's like, except it's all the way in Brooklyn. I love you.

9:40Ronnie Karam: You're like, wow, Audrey's doesn't look good. Carl's looks like the perfect coffee bar. It's a bar, though. I know. I know, but what I'm saying is that, like, that's... Compliments. You got a bar that looks like a coffee shop.

9:52Ben Mandelker: You nailed it! But, like, that's what Audrey should aspire to look for, like, that aesthetic and that vibe. And instead, it's just, like, this place with Italian syrups on the wall.

10:02Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Oh, those portorinis. They get no respect. They don't deserve it. So, he's like, well, I mean, we made money this month, so that was good. We have tons of events. And everybody here has, like, everybody supported. Like, everyone's so supportive. okay well I assume Lindsay's presence was fucking terrifying I'm sorry my card says meaningful is that the right word he's like yeah deep down you know Lindsay's always been supportive remember when she was like brick and mortar you fucking moron remember when you wanted to start a podcast you do nothing idiot wow you'll never amount to anything God Lindsay has really always been there for me so I'd just like to thank Lindsay thanks for thank you for being a friend I'm not doing golden girls with you

10:43Ben Mandelker: so So then Andy's like, all right. And is her teddy bear still on the shelf? Well, we had to put it in a vault and we actually tried to throw it out and it sort of reappeared on our wall. And we tried to burn it and it still reappeared. So right now we're looking into a shaman to try to relieve it of whatever curse it has. But right now we're just tucked it away. So we're scared. We don't like to look at her stuff there.

11:06Ronnie Karam: It's actually kind of amazing. It's been in the office and it's growing for a teddy bear. You know, like it actually said its first words the other day. You're a loser. I'm like, wow, thanks, Lindsay

11:15Ben Mandelker: We actually have a video game coming out about it It's called Five Nights at Soft Bar So

11:23Ronnie Karam: It's terrifying So Andy's like, well, are you proud of him, Lindsay? And she's like, um Like, watching this season Like, I wasn't there all the time But, like, I was proud of Carl Because, like, he's just, like, so tall And, like, you know, Carl, you're really tall So congratulations Oh, thank you

11:40Ben Mandelker: Thank you for acknowledging my height All right. It's nice to see you finally using all that podcast equipment I bought you. I'm proud of you. Well, shoelaces are from Untied, said, because my shoelace somehow came. Oh, God.

11:55Ronnie Karam: I just got you. Oh, God. Table from kicked.

11:59Ben Mandelker: I just kicked my table. Table from kicked. Just interrupted. Said, hey, you crash and burn finding a sugar daddy for Lindsay. Your first pick was a friend of Carl's. So have you found any other good options for her since then? Or have none been good enough? And Jesse's like, yeah, well, we did go out on the town when afternoon searching. But yeah, no good options here either for Lindsay. All right.

12:22Ronnie Karam: Turns out billionaires want to date Lindsay as much as five-ineers do. So that's been rough.

12:30Ben Mandelker: All right. Well, the good news is we're going to see your dating journey on In the City. I was like, thank you for that promo. That's not what's going to get me to watch this show. So Cleo from the Psychic Friends Network wants to know, the recent ad about Carl being a mess was epic. How does everybody feel about that? And Lindsay's like, it happened so quickly. It was like amazing. Like we made a commercial. And it was like, you know what, let's make light of it. And he's like, well, I'm curious. Kyle and Sierra and Amanda and Wes, how did you feel about Carl and Lindsay monetizing your situation?

13:03And Amanda's like, I would have never done that to them in their situation. And it did a little bit.

13:12Ben Mandelker: I'm like, this is the thing you speak up about? Now you're hurt. And now this is the thing you're going to chime in about? Are you kidding me?

13:20Ronnie Karam: I love that Sierra's like, oh, please.

13:22Ben Mandelker: Lindsey's shocked. Like, what? Like, what are you talking about? Like, they were all drawn into this scandal.

13:28Ronnie Karam: And they didn't monetize anything mean. It wasn't like, Amanda's a slut. the t-shirt you know it was like carl's a mess it didn't even have anything to do with you guys

13:37Ben Mandelker: you're dating you're dating the chief monetizer in in office right like he like west will west would jump at an opportunity to do this right west and so but now she's like shocked that they would capitalize off of her but no no you cause the pain you don't get to say how people are going to capitalize off if you cause the pain you just got to let other people capitalize off of it

14:01Ronnie Karam: Now, this is a question because I don't know. Were those Carl's, Carl is a mess thing was like an Uber ad, right? Wasn't Uber Eats or something? But didn't they also make a Carl's a mess sweatshirt for Loverboy? Well, now they're doing it everywhere.

14:13Ben Mandelker: Carl and Kyle are everywhere with like a Carl's a mess.

14:16Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so they're monetizing the company that you kind of have a part in anyway. So at least you're profiting off of it.

14:23Ben Mandelker: And also like... So shut up. Can you at least like see the humor in this? Like the reason why Carl's a mess is a thing is because it's such a funny thing to say. And like even you, Amanda, should be able to see why this is funny and like at least like be happy that there's like a moment of levity in your stupid situation. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crappins commercial.

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15:49So Lindsay's like, well, I can't help that what Kyle says on the streets in interviews, and that's where it came from. And, you know, please. And he's also on his hippies making out with a nice housewife.

16:01Ronnie Karam: Oh, his hippies. Talking about the Megan King Edmund kiss.

16:04Ben Mandelker: The fact that Lindsay, like, in the middle of this, Lindsay makes that stray hits him like a few times during his reunion. He's on his hippies. He's like, he's got on his next duel.

16:15Ronnie Karam: They're all like, wow, he got a booster chair to kiss Megan King Edmund. He's like, hey, come on, guys. I'm not that short. Give me a break. um so you're just like well you would never you would never monetize we have no front no problem fucking a friend's ex so where's the bar where's the bar exactly that's exactly oh are we going to the bar right now okay hey it's the same thing i asked since the second i got here where's the bar

16:40Ben Mandelker: so you're like the and he's like well what do you think about this ad sir she's like i don't really give a shit i don't care she's like i mean sierra's on the cover of glamour magazine she's now going to be uh essentially uh she's gonna be on love island as like the exit host like everyone's capitalizing off of it and i just feel like why amanda amanda being upset that people are capitalizing is i just feel like you just this is your punishment yeah you're not in the place you know you did something wrong you know you did something wrong and you came here and as you said at the top of the last episode you came here to clear things up but also to like take accountability and you just have to take your lumps amanda sorry so lindsey's like i've been here 10 years i can do whatever i want okay and she goes well i've been here for 10 years too

17:27Ronnie Karam: yeah but you were like throwing pebbles at the window for the first two trying to let somebody let you in the in the house yeah you are not an og so then lindsey goes okay well i'm not fucking my friend's ex and also first of all i was heavily at that time in touch with sierra and guy like every single day and just trying to be there tremendously for both of them every single day. So I was in it with him and I was like, okay, like, well, whatever.

17:50Ben Mandelker: She's basically saying like, I put in a lot of work into this scandal, so I'm going to get some money. Okay. I took time to talk to these people. Like I was basically their therapist and therapists should be able to profit off pain. I actually do feel like that. That's true. I feel like, you know, the friends who have to like answer the phone calls and be there. I just think it's not

18:11Ronnie Karam: it's not it's not a big deal. the shirt wasn't even mean. It wasn't mean to Wes or Amanda. It was to be your

18:16Ben Mandelker: reality stars and if a deal comes around, they're going to take it.

18:21Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So, Carl, what was it like being back on the couch with Lindsay? He's like, it was incredible, honestly. Like, me and Lindsay. Wow. We've just, we've got such a bond and it's been amazing.

18:32Ben Mandelker: My favorite part was when we were done shooting the commercial, I looked Lindsay in the eye and I said, I just want to break up with you all over again. This was great being back together. Well, I did unblock Carl, but I did not follow him because I'm as hard to take as I'm hard to get. Okay. So then Andy's like, Carl, fans have always seen your friendship with Kyle as the backbone of the house. But you told Sierra you started to feel that foundation cracking even before.

19:01Ronnie Karam: Oh, God. Here we go. Carl and Kyle. I thought this was going to be bigger, but Kyle jumps in. This cracked me up. It's a question for Carl. Carl. We want to talk about it. And Kyle's like, can I jump in here? I'm really sorry. I didn't see what you were going through. Okay, the end. Thanks for the question, Andy. Okay, let's move on. Carl's just like, goddammit.

19:22Ben Mandelker: Y 'all, okay. I got that question stolen from me. Just want to say it paid me so much to watch it back. Just to see how upset you were that I wasn't supporting you in a way that you'd hoped. And the reality was I just was not in a place to give as much as you needed for a friendship. And I hope you understand now better and back in real time. Right? Like you have to. Like you sort of have to right now, right?

19:40Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Oh, y 'all. And Sierra's like, yeah, and I apologized to Kyle this morning because I feel like I really misunderstood him. I was so caught up in my friendship with Ding Dong over there. I wasn't even interested in his side at times, you know, and that wasn't fair to him. And this is the part I was cracking up because they're all just like, yeah, Kyle, we didn't really understand what you were going through.

20:01Ben Mandelker: I don't think Sierra has actually apologized to Kyle about this. She did this morning at the reunion. No, I'm saying she didn't have to. Oh, yeah. you didn't have to because like i like i was being a stick i think it's just to stick it to a man i

20:14Ronnie Karam: don't yeah yeah yeah i don't think she i don't think she really meant that but it was yeah yeah

20:19Ben Mandelker: no no it's all right it's all right it's it's uh it's like it's bad so xero's like no i never said that he was right especially not the way he exploded and talked to people and so andy's like well i'm curious amanda what's your reaction to their fight i was like well i mean i hated to see them fighting and like i've seen cod react that way and sling mud and say things he doesn't mean in the heat of the moment and he likes to hit people where it hurts just like bum me out that he was doing it to someone that's been there for him the whole summer right carl don't you want to come to my side now come to the amanda west side carl please and uh andy asked west at the freedom

20:51Ronnie Karam: dinner about moving his seat from one end of the table right to support amanda what was going through your head at that moment did you ever consider haircut west is like well um i think in that moment, Kyle's anger was like towards like Sierra, they need to hire somebody on this reunion who's a snapper, who just comes to Wes's ear and is like, keep on, keep going. They were grilling him and riling him up, but then I was watching Kyle take his anger out on Amanda, and I wanted her to know that I had her back, you know? Because I thought Kyle was being like a dickie, you know?

21:37Ben Mandelker: Well, okay. So there's a couple of things in terms of my behavior at the dinner table. I take full accountability as will be evidenced by what I say for the rest of this paragraph. I love Kyle taking full accountability. So I don't care how low I am and how much I'm doing in my life. I'm embarrassed by my poor reaction and letting myself spiral. And I think as part of that accountability, I'd like to point out that I was hurt and hurt people hurt people. And I said, if you kind of because I kind of felt like I was getting it from all angles and Amanda was like silent and I kind of felt like she was just like letting everybody do her dirty work but like no one actually knows the truth and so like I don't know I was kind of like justified in what I did but anyway I take accountability but I was like it was your fault that I did that sorry yeah and he's like well were you mad at Lindsay she started it Lindsay's like yeah I was definitely instigating but I was like coming from a place of like honestly like trying to protect Amanda and I'm sorry for instigating I was just like trying to understand it yeah okay well Amanda lost from Angolese says in the past the men of the house always seem to give Kyle a pass when he's been nasty and we saw West really stand up for you was that the first time you felt like a man in the house respected you and she's like yeah like that like our friendship like it was outside of just like castmates it was like somebody who showed up and like cared and saw me and saw this and like it was nice to have a guy stand up to Kyle you know and Kyle's like yeah a guy that's never been in a relationship in his entire life it doesn't change that like not recognizing that saying fuck you to your wife is bad yeah and helping you try and apologize to me I'm just saying I mean look at this guy I've been in anything he doesn't know what he's talking about I've got a lot of people weighing in on my marriage I can't relate you know he's like okay well we got a lot of comments about the Cartier watch Kyle that you gifted Amanda on your birthday and then Andy is like, yeah, we got a lot.

23:33Ben Mandelker: And Wes, you made a lot of comments about you comparing God to the Wolf of Wall Street. And Wes had this thing where he basically was like, yeah, he's acting like the Wolf of Wall Street, you know, when he starts giving, like, he's like giving out gifts, banging hookers, and like, gifts are bad, watch out, whatever. And Andy's like, so walk me through that. Why were you comparing God's gift to something that came from a place of guilt? What was going on there?

23:56Ronnie Karam: Because it literally did. I mean, geez, even a broken clock, am I right? My God. Why else would you buy that lady a $15 ,000 Cartier watch? He was in the doghouse. So, Lindsey's like, yeah, that was fucked up, West. Lindsey, of all people. Yeah. And Carl's like, yeah, that was the one highlight of my summer and you just took it from me. I enjoyed giving that to her, even if our marriage didn't work out. Do you know how hard I had to work for that discount? I'm still on Instagram every day, flushing fucking Cartiers down the toilet. Give me a break. Like that was, I thought that was so funny that Kyle, like Kyle basically, like they gave him like a little inch and he just took it.

24:32Ben Mandelker: He's like, oh, the best moment of the summer. You took it from me. You took my Cartier moment. I mean, honestly, it was just like a throwaway commentary. Like it was, it was so stupid. And Wes like, yeah, no, well, I was happy in the moment for you. And I was like disappointed that like you cussed her out immediately after that. And I like, yeah, I took it too far in the confessional. I'm like, I'm very sorry. I'm very sorry that I mentioned the Wolf of Wall Street and the metaphor. I was like trying to be funny and like it's a bad metaphor because like it was about something that you weren't doing.

24:58And like, that's my, do we have to discuss this?

25:01Ronnie Karam: Oh my God, no West, I just can't with West. He can't speak. And his good point here is like, it's like, don't get mad at me for making you look bad when you said you dumb fucking bitch to Amanda the next day. And then we see the clip of that happening. And Andy asked Kyle, like what his reaction is to watching the show and seeing who criticized his treatment of Amanda. He's like, well, were you surprised that everybody was basically criticizing you? And he's like, well, I mean, there were people that criticized me in my face. So it's just like, you know, like everyone made it sound like if I'm this abusive husband, you know, I got said under my breath, F you.

25:37And I felt like I got the F you from everybody. And he's like, yeah, you can't defend that.

25:43Ronnie Karam: I know you're really trying to ride this wave of now being the victim. But yeah, sorry, you're still a shitty husband.

25:49Ben Mandelker: oh I apologize to her and I apologize again Amanda I apologize that you heard the thing I said under my breath which was justified because it was under my breath that you deserved because you were coming at me she's like well that's also not the first time he's ever spoken to me that way and Kyle's like yeah but like Wes felt the need to insert himself into the conversation which I've never done historically ever on the show yeah and besides Amanda like when we're home it's like that conversation is not one way she's like but sometimes like a lot of times it is By the way, I love Kyle saying, Wes felt the need to insert himself in that conversation previously on In the City.

26:24Ben Mandelker: Hey, Danielle, I'm not sure that Lindsay said that you were like a slut, but I think she called you a whore. Anyway, you guys should talk. So, Kyle, we're seeing In the City now. I'm sure everybody's watching it. But I want to rewind even further. What was it about the start of the summer that felt different from your previous nine years together? He's like, well, you know, I mean, we're not in a good place. That's no lie. but you know like she knows despite my not jumping up for joy with her wanting to start a swimsuit line she knew i'd be there for her to help and i did and you know for her to say i started djing despite her really hit me where it hurts it really it really hit me in the cardi a handy it hit me in my dj button finger button finger pushing button you know what i'm trying to say so kyle's like i'm like you know it's not true it's not and like you know you set the tone and I was like, whoa.

27:14Ben Mandelker: She goes, I mean, the tone was set when you slept at a fan's apartment. So this is that moment, again, that we played at the top. And Amanda's like, you know, I went into the summer frustrated with you. And he's like, was sleeping at the fan's place, was that a turning point for you? And Amanda's like, yeah, that was a big one. You know, like, how are we still here? And you're staying out to the point where you're falling asleep at people's homes. Well, no, most nights when I go out and I have a bender, it's like you were supposed to be with me. But you bow out. We're supposed to have a bender together.

27:45You don't come out with me, so I'm supposed to get drunk with you if you're not there. Of course I got drunk alone.

27:51Ben Mandelker: Because he's... And the vibe is sort of like, you're supposed to be there to take care of me and take me home. In which case, he's probably like, why are you ruining all the fun? I want to stay out longer.

28:01Ronnie Karam: Yeah, fucking Kyle. I did like this point, though, that they all make. Where he's like, Amanda, you've been going out until four in the morning twice a week. It's like, I'm single, though, Kyle. It's a different world. I spoke to a lawyer one time. I think what Kyle's trying to say is your gripe with him for 10 years is that he goes out too much and now you go out too much.

28:20Ben Mandelker: And Amanda's like, yeah, but it's never been about he goes out. Yeah, but the fact that now you're doing that, because I'm single, I'm not married to someone that I have to go home to.

28:32Ronnie Karam: But you're also dating someone that goes out. Are you not getting this? Hello? Do not see where this is leading. It's Kyle 2.0. Tony's like, yeah, Kyle on steroids. And he's like, do you worry, though? I mean, Wes is someone who's like a good time

28:48Ben Mandelker: Charlie. I just made that up. I think it landed pretty well. And who likes to go out and that was your thing, Kyle, and that he goes out every night and he goes out every night and he's like, yeah, the hypocrisy is absurd. Somehow he actually looks older than me. Isn't that amazing? Amanda's like, well, it's not that Kyle goes out every night. It's that he would come home blacked out and there'd be rumors about him all the time. I'm like, well, if you think there aren't going to be rumors about Wes, you are sadly mistaken.

29:12Ronnie Karam: Yeah, and so they keep trying to explain to Amanda what they mean and she still refuses to get it. And she's like, but I said that I ended going out with him because it's not that I don't want to go out. It's that I don't want to go out with Kyle. He's like, oh.

29:27Ben Mandelker: I think Amanda's actually allowed to have this point here.

29:30Ronnie Karam: And that's the thing about this whole thing. Amanda's really not wrong with the relationship thing. If it wasn't West, we'd all be cheering for her and being like, yeah, fuck off, Kyle. You treat somebody like this, she has the right to go find a new man and live her life.

29:43Ben Mandelker: Some people are like not good drunk. Some people you just know if they're going to get drunk, they're going to get blacked out. You have to take care of them. You just don't want to deal with any of it. Some people, it's not a problem. So you're like, yeah, I would go out with them. So I think it's like, I think like in terms of like, like Amanda's issues with the marriage, I think all of them are pretty justified. I think it's like, yeah, he just would get too shit faced. And I just was not about it. I want to go out with someone who can get drunk and we can come home together. And it's like, fine.

30:10Ben Mandelker: But like you said, Ronnie, if it weren't West, great. Bully to her.

30:14Ronnie Karam: Yeah, we would be cheering for her. But unfortunately, no. Unfortunately, you fucked this one up, Amanda. You fucked up, Joe. So Carl's like, you know, this kid, you go out with this kid. This kid parties twice as hard as I do. And I say, kid, because you're the most immature, fraudulent phony I've ever met. So shut the fuck up. He didn't even talk.

30:36Ben Mandelker: Sorry, I'm just blackout wasted right now. See you guys. Can I sleep on this couch? Oh, is anybody a fan here? We want to sleep on a fan's cat. All right. Oh, is this the watcher crap? It's the after party again? Kyle's like, I thought I knew you, man. I've had an outpouring of people telling me, yeah, that guy isn't who he says he is. I was like, what? What? In what way? It's like, well, that's the thing. I've been going back and forth between feeling concerned and feeling betrayed by all of them. and I will say because there's a lot of conspiracy theories thinking that we had split and held it together for cameras we split the day before we put the statement out you know all this stuff I'm like I don't know exactly what he's talking about here but he basically starts talking about how he and Amanda put out this joint statement when they split up back in January

31:18Ronnie Karam: yeah he's saying that they're talking about the timeline again you know you're saying you only split up this day but that doesn't make sense because the day we split up Amanda insisted on putting it out like before we had even made the real decision and she like almost like was rushing it out yeah Yeah, right. And he's like, we didn't even have a conversation about it. We said we're going to separate to try and date each other, and that failed. And then the only conversation we said, are we officially ending things, was when she was like, I'm putting this on Instagram right now. He's like, oh, okay.

31:49She goes, well, I'll tell you exactly why, okay? I'm like, I had already made up my mind. I made up my mind on New Year's Day, and you know exactly what happened then. And he's like, well, watching the footage from the summer, it was very clear he went into the summer with zero intention to continue trying to make an effort.

32:07Ben Mandelker: Has she ever made an effort, though, with anything?

32:10Ronnie Karam: Not really. You know, neither one of you really ever made an effort. She's like, well, I made up my mind and the nail in the coffin was New Year's Day for me.

32:19Ben Mandelker: And that's when I realized, wow, I mean, a lot of nails go into that coffin. That's the final one. It's like, what happened on New Year's Day? I almost don't even want to know. And so Amanda said that they were bickering. She didn't go to New Year's with him, and she spent it with herself. And he went and he DJed at a restaurant. And then when she woke up the next morning, he was at a hotel in Hoboken. And she's like, I'm going into 2026. Wanted to be on like a fresh start. Amanda, you are not going to 2026 with a fresh start. I guarantee that much. There's just no way that I believe that that was true.

32:53Ronnie Karam: Yeah. But either way. But I mean, yeah, your husband's waking up at some hotel in Hoboken.

32:58Ben Mandelker: like not good yeah not good kyle so she called bravo pr right away as one does that's what you

33:05Ronnie Karam: do when you break up with someone you're a pr person you're like do it she's like i'm i want

33:11Ben Mandelker: to put out a statement because i don't want people watching this season think that kyle and i are still together after i was treated this way the whole time yeah so uh carl's like well i've spent

33:20Ronnie Karam: a lot of time with uh kyle from 2018 to 2022 even 2023 you might remember that year it was a good year. And even when we were working together, I mean, Carl would get really drunk, but I don't remember him ever, you know, sticking his dinky into a donk donk. You know what I mean? So I think it's pretty important. Was he a little too wasted? Sure.

33:40Ben Mandelker: Did he not invest in my company? Sure. Did he not appreciate my work at Loverboy? Sure. Did he not give me the raise when I had drafted an email and never sent it to him asking for one? Sure. But he never stepped out on his marriage. So Amanda's like, yeah but there were like times that he did and it was like inappropriate at the end of the day you could membum for membum there was like a shit ton of rumors that came in he's like well but what's inappropriate come on kyle there's been so many rumors and so dms oh yeah that you never go out with me that's what the dms say they're like where's amanda hey amanda where are you it's like we were married oh sierra says there's rumors about west all the time too she goes but we were married, Sierra.

34:22Him and I were married. Wes is single. He can do what he wants. Yeah, but you never came to anything with me. You know how hard it is being blackout and drunk on a fan's couch without your wife there to wipe your mouth? I had spit coming down. Kyle, since you've been married to Amanda, have you been faithful to her?

34:39Ronnie Karam: So she says no. I love Kyle's face. He's just like, uh. And Kyle also gets this guilty look. He gets the wide eyes, too. You know, where he's like, uh.

34:48Ben Mandelker: yes uh yeah i still i still believe my religion no not faithful like that faithful to your wife i've never voted for anybody else yeah i have listened to lots of faith hill since we got married and uh beautiful artist but there have been times when i've been out and i've been inappropriate so the answer is no you have not been faithful yeah he's like i will own it i will own it now that i've been asked about and pressed for it but did i ever have an affair no did i ever with someone? No, like I've been completely starved or deprived of anything, you know, whatever. So you made out with someone that's cheating and sorry, that's cheating I think.

35:23Ben Mandelker: And they're in their relationship it seems like that's cheating and that's the issue. And Kyle's like, you know, Amanda says, you know, after we were married, there was a time when you were at a party asking a girl if you could kiss her and you made out with her and then she DM'd me and that was my point. That was my issue with you going out is that you're putting yourself in these situations. I mean, we've been talking about this. for years, Kyle. I was like, have I been appropriate? Yes. And you know why? Because no one would go anywhere with me. And I like Bailey saying, making out is fully cheating on you.

35:54I didn't make out, but thank you, Bailey. Thank you. That's why I asked one shit. God.

36:01Ben Mandelker: Bailey said nothing this entire episode except for that, but I did appreciate her. I was like, that has to be mentioned. You cannot give that a pass.

36:08Ronnie Karam: Because everybody else, this is a segment where they just keep cutting to the cast's faces and they're like, oh God, we have to stick up for Kyle during all of this? Especially Mia. Mia was just cringing during this whole thing.

36:19Ben Mandelker: I like that Kyle goes, okay, I asked one chick. That's one too many, Kyle. But there was a girl in the club and there was a video I saw was sent it that night when you went out with Taylor and Jeff. And he's like, what? Well, we have a very unhappy marriage and there's no needs being met. So, you know what? Then you don't call a girl. You call a lawyer, Kyle.

36:40Ronnie Karam: Jesus.

36:41Ben Mandelker: Or at least get a little towel and go to the bathroom. So Amanda's like, she's saying that this is happening. And then Andy's like, how long have you not been having sex? And it's been the entire time. It's like, okay, by the way, Kyle, what's up with you with Sally from Southern Charm? By the way, she has sent us an email and she asks you, I don't know what she meant by that, but did you guys ever hook up? He's like, no. Like, you made out. He's like, you made out the night of the summer house premiere don't lie the night before no we didn't

37:16Ronnie Karam: I was like yes you did and Sierra was like yeah and then I told her I called you right and I told you that Kyle was making out with Sally because I'm a good friend you know that's I just want to point that out all right Kyle you and Megan King Edmund what is that about

37:33Ben Mandelker: well okay well I just met her she was like oh finally someone bravo family in the mix and she asked if I was a no tool and I didn't really understand what that meant. I basically went outside with her after a page six party and she was eating the leaves off a tree and I was like, wow, she's majestic. So we kissed. Yeah, luckily there was one of those like con ed people there so I just hopped in his little bucket thing and they raised me up and finally after five minutes I got to her face and we made it out. I'll never remember this song. I'll never forget the song that was playing.

38:04Ben Mandelker: Yeah, that was great. was that pal on his tiptoes he's like it wasn't on my tippies I just had on baggy pants alright it wasn't my tiptoes it was stilts I was standing in a ditch what can I say

38:21Ronnie Karam: so would that relationship have lasted as long as it did without the show or was that their only way of communicating which is a good one and the only reason you stayed together which I think is probably a more accurate way to ask that and Kyle's like well our communication was bad, so it did help us, because we wouldn't speak throughout the year, but then we have this time, and we had to talk to each other. Thanks, Summerhouse. You were like our therapist. Okay, well, we're going to take lunch now, so I'll see everyone soon. Okay, and I'm sure Carl and Lindsay are going to get their lunch Uber-eated, right?

38:54Ronnie Karam: So then Amanda and Wes go into their dressing room and say, This is so frustrating. They're making me feel guilty for, like, not trusting you. Oh, God, Amanda.

39:04Ben Mandelker: you shouldn't feel guilty you should feel stupid that's what they're trying to show that to so now Sierra gets a FaceTime from Mia and she's like oh my god you look so pretty how are you feeling she's like better I was like I better not cry on that stage and I got it all out on the stage and I was like okay when I saw them I got so pissed okay so let me give you a recap they don't even look like that like look like each other up there she's like yeah that's because they probably don't yeah because she's like taking the brunt of it and he's just staying quiet like we could predict.

39:34Ronnie Karam: And meanwhile, West is asking Amanda, do you want me to jump in more for you up there? No, I can just attempt to speak up for myself. And he's like, well, it's like I can tell that Sierra gets into your skin really fast and that's her goal, you know? So I think if we just... So conspiratorial. It is.

39:55Ben Mandelker: Sierra's not, her goal is not to get under Amanda's skin. Her goal is to be like, what the fuck is wrong with you? You're my friend. And he's like, I mean, if you just breathe, and like apologize but like just like say it simple you know just like say it simple and like don't get snippy okay she's like did I get fired up he's like um I mean you acted like any person who's being

40:17Ronnie Karam: cornered yeah this is like he's like get it together Amanda like if this was Rocky be like get it together stop acting so triggered just keep your answers short and say sorry the end like do I have to teach you how to be a fuckboy Yeah.

40:30Ben Mandelker: So now Kyle comes in to Sierra's room and so he jumps on the FaceTime as well. So Kyle's like, how are you? Can I ask you a question? From your understanding, was it clearly defined that you guys were like exclusive?

40:40Ronnie Karam: I was like, yeah, like literally we were dating last summer, like while you guys were filming. Like he referred to me as his girlfriend. He came to horse pastors with me and cut their tails off. Like nothing has ever been more romantic. Okay. He referred to me as his girlfriend all the time. We just went in a public relationship. And Sierra's like, I mean, you built all the furniture in his house. Now, is this lady a furniture maker, Taylor? She's a fashion person, right? I don't know why she was tasked with building all the furniture. I was wondering, like, is it his like Ikea furniture? He was like, you can put this together.

41:15Ben Mandelker: It's Ikea Target at best.

41:17Ronnie Karam: Oh, yeah. You're going to call somebody. You're going to call somebody your girlfriend if they know how to use an L wrench. Yeah, exactly. Get the hell over here.

41:23Ben Mandelker: So she built all his furniture, which is, that's an effort. And then she's like, literally, I was at his house every weekend when he was filming. And we knew where we were in an exclusive relationship. And I go over there the night before Watcher happens live. Everything was so fine. He was like telling me how much he loves me. And everything was totally fine. and Sarah's like, yeah, did he ever say that he didn't want to make it public? She's like, yeah. And Kyle's like, yeah, she texted me. And so he apparently was telling her like, oh my god, if they find out I've got a secret girlfriend, I'm going to get fired from the show.

41:57Ben Mandelker: And like, if the relationship isn't from the Bravo sphere, Kyle's like, by the way, it's a great excuse, by the way, because

42:05Ronnie Karam: you don't know the politics, but that's bullshit. I don't know that that's total bullshit though. I think that's like a reasonable thing for a Summer House cast person to be like, oh my god, I can't just have a girlfriend outside of that because Ben did the same thing where he pretended he didn't have a girlfriend so he could be single. Wes pretended he didn't have a girlfriend so he could act single on the show. I don't know that Jesse has a girlfriend, but Jesse's clearly only going for people on the show so he can have someone on the show. Bailey's pretending to like Carl because you have to have someone on the show.

42:33Ronnie Karam: So I think that's kind of true, but you still can't just fucking lie about it and then put other people's feelings in jeopardy.

42:38Ben Mandelker: i mean like with ben he's new and it's like oh if i if i need to make a foothold in this show i need to be like single or whatever but for for west he's like okay what i'm gonna do is i'm gonna act like i'm single and i'm gonna mend things with sierra even and to make it seem like i'm interested in her if he's hiding a relationship if he's coming in under the guise of being single and then like trying to mend things with Sierra, doesn't that like implicitly say he wants to get back with her romantically? Because otherwise, why would he hide that he's in a relationship, right? Like, because you can still come into the season with a relationship and mend fences.

43:22Ronnie Karam: I think what he didn't want to do is he doesn't want to bring this girl onto the show because he doesn't want her also to be famous. I think it bugs him, you know, because there was that whole thing last season where Jesse was finding out through Lexi, Lexi, right? What's the girl's name? Lexi. Lexi, that all the shit West was always talking about him, you know, because Jesse would be like, oh, he's obsessed with fame, and he, you know, he gets jealous. He wants to be more famous, this and that. So he has that dynamic with everybody on the show. Like, he was pissed off that Sierra, everybody's on Sierra's side now has to take all this shit from the audience.

43:53Ronnie Karam: And I think he just wants, he wants Miha, but he doesn't want her to be on the show and like usurp his fame, you know? I don't even know if it's even at that level.

44:02Ben Mandelker: I think it's just like he just wants to have an option. He wants to have an option if things don't shake out well on the tv show he still has her if things do shake out well then he can figure it out down the line i think he just is like he's like yeah i i can go home i can or here's someone who i can bang and not get in trouble for i don't have to worry about people what they have to say about it you know i don't have to worry about like my good guy image but like for me to do that though i've got to keep them separated you know yeah so um mia says and

44:29Ronnie Karam: the other reason he would use too like if i bring you into this it's just putting you in a situation where now people have eyes on you and they're having opinions about you and stuff well they'd be having opinions about you and how you act in your relationship sir yeah so she's like yeah in

44:44Ben Mandelker: hindsight i'm like okay so you were concerned about people maybe pitting me against sierra and if ever if i ever came on the show as your public girlfriend but you're like very comfortable with like dumping me and then all of a sudden popping out the next day in a relationship with

44:56Ronnie Karam: amanda and letting like the world know like what's that yeah and um she's like yeah and then i'm just left on my own to figure this out by myself so hurtful like i didn't have to be thrown into this situation i mean listen do you have a tv did you see who you were getting with this guy's a piece of shit um sierra's like yeah and she got with one of my best friends she's like yeah and it's just hurtful like i didn't ask i didn't ask for this our relationship is just that easy for him

45:25Ben Mandelker: to like completely discredit yes yes yes and so now basically kyle's like well we're about to go in front of him and like can you like call on set can we do it that would be great if we could do this in front of andy you know and then meanwhile over in the other dressing room west is like well i think it's gonna get a little bit easier i think we got to the hard part yeah we got the hard part like not even not even andy andy even said in the first episode we're gonna come back to this like you we have not even gotten into it we're like i'm still waiting for like the hard questions when did this start how did you know what was the first date like like really drill down and so i'm hoping that's what we get next week but we don't know because we got it to be continued we didn't even get a preview of like next week the dramatic three-part reunion concludes so we'll have to see commercials here comes one right now summer always changes how i'd get dressed i want pieces that feel lighter and more breathable things that are easy but still pull together that's why i keep coming back to quinn's they

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48:20Ben Mandelker: I'm really enjoying In the City. I think they're doing a really good job. I also, I have to say, I love the way they're putting together these episodes of In the City. I love how they cross-cut between different scenes. They sort of have... Do you like the subway thing? No, the subway thing I think is so silly. I was like, wow, that grew on you? That finally got on my nerves this week. No, it just takes so... That transition just takes so long. No, I like how sometimes they'll be talking and they sort of like will slide another scene like into it and like it'll sort of i don't know i i like the way that you're in your apple motions so you're liking your transition i know i'm like you know what i loved the the chiron was just yeah just guess i really love those um pre-made transitions they're sliding in there in their final cut i do actually like the way they transition from conversation to conversation on the show they do it in a way that sort of like you sort of feel like there's like lots of stuff happening all at once yeah but um so the first i just like seeing the city and everybody's dressed

49:16Ronnie Karam: They dress so well. They dress so well.

49:17Ben Mandelker: It's like fall. Like everybody makes an effort to look so cute.

49:21Ronnie Karam: Every restaurant they go to is so nice. I mean, you know, this is kind of compared to the Valley because it's the older castmate or the senior castmates moving on to their life, you know, their normal lives. But the Valley is just so depressing and dour and everything's so dirty. And the restaurants they go to have so many flies in them. And they're just like, you smell the bar rot in your house. You know, it's just so sad. and everybody dresses in rayon and like oh it's just so gross and then you get this show and it's like this is how to do it yeah i mean they're still miserable but it's just like they do facials like

49:54Ben Mandelker: there's aspiration like i mean kenny is like the worst but you see his apartment you're like damn that's a nice apartment for new york city yeah you know um like everything is just like like wow i really enjoy this so um yeah the first big thing that's worth mentioning is that um uh what's her face whitney all her stuff moves in with arrives for kenny's house and so she got she has box upon box upon box and he's like a total dick about it he's like very passive aggressive about her taking over her space and everything he's like ridiculing her little wooden tchotchkes and stuff she's like it's really hard for me i love my friends back in la you don't understand i'm like lady put some of your stuff in storage because this is not going to work out like this girl is an absolute twit

50:38Ronnie Karam: okay i'm not she is such a ding dong i cannot root for her i was rooting for her last week just because she's with kenny and you know kenny's such a douche i can't root for her but she's an idiot and then when kenny's being a douche she's like got her head on his shoulder like supporting her man you're an idiot whitney okay you're only doing this to be on tv and who brings 30 boxes to new york city yeah that is it's like i want to be on your side because i feel like kenny was being

51:00Ben Mandelker: a dick to you, but also like... He was being a dick to her, for sure. He was, but also like you should like, you don't have to do it all, don't move everything all at once. Like, just bring some things here because like, you still need to test this relationship out, but here's what I'm concerned about.

51:13Ronnie Karam: Bringing the big wooden balls. I'm like, really? I would not, I would break up with you right then. If I was like, I have limited space, this is New York City, you can keep as many clothes as you want, but like, we really have to work together. And she's like, but can't you compromise? No, you brought 30 boxes. What kind of compromise is that? You want me to buy you a house in Jersey. There's no compromise with 30 boxes.

51:31Ben Mandelker: Well, my concern with Whitney is this. We have a scene where Georgina and Lexi sit down, Whitney, and Lexi is just very messy. She's like, hey, Georgina, so Kyle told Andrea that Kenny said that he doesn't feel a spark with you and that he considers the romantic prospects murky. And Whitney's like, Georgina's like, murky? Like a swamp? I know. no glass of water so georgina's like really cracks me up she's like what so anyway so then whitney goes and confronts kenny about this at the end of the episode and he's like what that's crazy but you know what's going to happen is that these women are standing up for her in a messy way but they're standing up for her and kenny's gonna be like no what don't let those people get in your way don't let women don't let those minions yeah he's gonna say all this don't let those silly women and watch her get mad at lexi and georgina she's like those women don't have my back they're trying to sabotage me it's the classic thing where people come in to try to help you and then she's gonna take kenny's side and vilify those women i know it's gonna happen so i already well i already

52:38Ronnie Karam: and the reason i'm so anti-whitney at this point is because we're not going in order and this in this overview of the show so i've already seen where kenny's acting like a douchebag to lindsey and all the women and Whitney has her head on his shoulder. Like, yeah, I support my man. So fuck off if you're going to be like that. You know, if you're going to be with the douchebag and you're going to like stand up to the douchebag, then OK. But if you're going to be with the douchebag just to get on TV and then act like this, like a sad little dishrag. No, she's dead to me. Yeah, exactly. So then the other thing I should have known, but I don't really remember her from The Bachelor, even though I covered that season.

53:13Ronnie Karam: And I can see why.

53:14Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Yeah. She's I just already can tell. I just really don't like her. So, um, uh, then we, the other thing that happens that significant is that Lindsay and Danielle have like a sit down talk to try to get to the bottom of their issues, which is like the same conversation we've seen them have like a million times. By the way, I thought Danielle, I love Danielle's outfit during that scene. I was like, wow, Danielle really is dressed well.

53:35Ronnie Karam: Whenever Danielle's on scene on, on screen, I focus on everything else. I was like, what a cute restaurant. Like, well, I wonder if they're comfortable sitting at stools.

53:44Ben Mandelker: I know she got them some weird, like chia pudding to share. She's like, well, I knew you might be hungry, so I got you some nibbles. I was like, is that a bowl of chia pudding? Is that something that people share?

53:53Ronnie Karam: I don't even like you. Why do I want your spit on my spoon? I know.

53:57Ben Mandelker: So, yeah, basically, Lindsay was like, you know, you've been undermining me. And she's like, well, I didn't mean it that way. Like, I'm sorry that it landed that way. And I'm really, really sorry.

54:07Ronnie Karam: And Lindsay's just bringing up every single thing. She's like, well, you said this about my baby. And then you said this about me getting pregnant. And you said this about my husband. And then you gave Carl a handjob. I was like, Lindsay, okay. I know. The handjob, we're going back to the handjob Danielle dated Carl first

54:21Ben Mandelker: Yeah, seriously And then there's also a But they make up Yeah, they actually make up and then they go to this group brunch And at that brunch they get there And like almost right away Lindsay and Kenny start to fight

54:35Ronnie Karam: Well, Kenny starts with her immediately Because she sits down and Amanda's like How's your relationship now that you guys had a talk He's like, I'm good She apologized and Kenny's like, oh yeah One of your minions there we go here's all the minions everybody's kissing lindsey that's all the women at this table giving mean girl it's giving mean girl nobody can say anything to lindsey and lindsey goes this fucking guy i love that when she's like what is this i know guy again like this guy's

55:01Ben Mandelker: coming for me again yeah and i like that amanda's like i'm definitely not her minion she's like she cut me out of a photo to eight years ago i am not her minion yeah have you read the 10 page email that Kyle wrote. 17 page one. 17 page. And I just was like, he was so insulting, like, you know, that anyone would just be friends with Lindsay, and they're just dismissing them as minions was so obnoxious to me. When he literally, the crux of his whole thing, his issue with his friend Gavin, is that Gavin wasn't standing up for him. I'm like, isn't that a minion situation that you're demanding right there?

55:33Ben Mandelker: And of course, because it's NBCU, they have to break into the middle of this fight to be like, in case you don't know what Minion is. Here's a clip from Minions in theater soon. I was like, really? We're doing a tie-in in this fight?

55:44Ronnie Karam: Yeah, it was a really long clip, too.

55:46Ben Mandelker: It was really long. Why is this here?

55:48Ronnie Karam: I thought it was so funny that he's spending all this time, like, women. Look how women are. Just got to be always following somebody to hate on another girl. The girls have been nothing but nice to your twit of a girlfriend. Yeah, that's a thing. For no reason. They're taking her out. They're making an effort towards her. What are you even talking about here? But I loved all of that, and then for it to turn out that all the guys have been gossiping about him yes all the guys are about

56:12Ben Mandelker: to come for him i thought that was really good yeah i thought that was great too and then he's like whoa what's wrong with you lindsey are you sniffing glue she's like yeah i'm really sniffing glue yeah of course i'm sniffing glue he's like wow it seems like all these girls all they do is just like have your back like because i'm friends with them yeah this is actual friendship these are women with their own opinions and amanda's like opinions not minions opinions not minions

56:38Ronnie Karam: they all started cheering him down which i like so at least they're all uniting against kevin except stupid whitney it's like yeah but um yeah what a douchebag this guy and then speaking of

56:49Ben Mandelker: amanda going all the way to the top of the episode which is what i probably should have started with but i forgot um a man the this uh the show really opens with amanda meeting up with sierra and west and it's this very cringy scene where Amanda's like, oh my god, I like my two best friends. She's like, now that they like squash their beef, we can all be friends together. I love it. We're all friends. And she's like, they did this really funky thing where, so the three of them go, they get pizza and they're talking about the situation with Kyle and Amanda in her confessional is like talking about how great these two people are.

57:24Ben Mandelker: They're like her best friends. She's so happy. And then like space-time continuum of them disrupts and then like there's like fragments and artifacts on the screens. It's like the matrix. And then it's like Amanda from the future arrives like Amanda in like April or something. Really weird.

57:40Ronnie Karam: I don't know, but they were like Amanda dressed like a really low level, like political appointee. I don't know what I'm running for town clerk. Yeah. Like big silver buttons on her shirt. It's like, who are you right now? and they're like Amanda we need to talk about this how are you really feeling during this scene she's like no but like the thing is like in this scene like no I wasn't even thinking about Wes like that like this was seriously these are my best friends and this was like the best day and I'm like so happy right here I was like you were fucking Wes shut up stop lying to me and it

58:15Ben Mandelker: just like wild because it was like one of the most meta things that Bravo has done which is to interrupt their own show to include like reactions in the future of someone watching what we're watching i was like this is so interesting yeah they had to get it in there so they had to watch the city you know but it was very cringy and like again you just see how sierra is just like really there for amanda and then like west takes off his jacket and puts it on sierra's shoulders

58:39Ronnie Karam: and all this stuff and yeah you know and he gave it he gave amanda that big long hug i don't know

58:44Ben Mandelker: the whole thing was it was so so cringy so cringy yeah and they were out there because amanda found

58:50Ronnie Karam: an apartment. And of course, it was a year-long lease, which we all knew.

58:54Ben Mandelker: And our construction zone, which also makes sense for Amanda.

58:57Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And then we went to at the end, Kyle and Amanda are wearing like twinning outfits. Why didn't you have to dress like me, Kyle? And he's like, well, that was cute. You know, we look together because we're going to go do this Loverboy podcast to celebrate our new flavor. Shirley Temple is a slut. So, you know, we're going to tell you this is a podcast called like Boys Lie and Girls Fry. I mean, I don't know. Girls love making french fries, whatever. So they go do this thing and it's these two women who are like, oh, I got you. And you're in a relationship. And then like, oh, I don't see if Spark is gone.

59:31And Carl goes, well, Spark is gone. You look elsewhere.

59:35Ben Mandelker: And Amanda's like, um... Well, this is, by the way, this is after... What the hell? He just told her, he's like, all right, well, let's keep our... Even though our relationship is in shambles, let's just like keep our private matters private and we'll just smile. And like, okay. So Amanda's like, well, this is what I do. I just smile as if not everything's fine. And they get up there Amanda's smiling like, yeah. And then Kyle's like, yeah, well, you know, if the spark's gone, you just fuck other people. I'm sorry to take care. Am I right, guys? Hey, listen, if the spark is gone, find you a good watch with crap and show someone's always having an after party.

1:00:05I mean, it's like, um, uh,

1:00:07Ronnie Karam: so yeah, that was it.

1:00:08Ben Mandelker: Um, but we'll be back with In the City.

1:00:10Ronnie Karam: It's a good show. We're not dissing In the City by skipping it. We just have to today to get to the theater, but it was a very good episode. I loved it.

1:00:19Ben Mandelker: I actually love it.

1:00:20Ronnie Karam: i love in the city yeah so uh and again perfect casting with kenny giving lindsey somebody to just beat the out of all season is gonna be great and also i just love it that he like he's clearly

1:00:30Ben Mandelker: this like finance bro vc guy who probably just has not dealt with someone like lindsey i mean i'm they're definitely like you know he's probably encountered many strong women in in that field but i he sort of acts like he's like you know bro like bro like what's like a men's club like what do you call that term uh old boys patriarchy old men's club yeah boys boys boys club boys club boys and girls club of america right boy scout boy scout but either way the point is that he is i think he definitely gives off a vibe like he's been in all bro circles he calls the shots he surrounds himself with women like whitney who are just like yeah like whatever and i think like him encountering he encountering someone like lindsey who's like i don't care if you have a nice apartment in soho i don't care what your vc is doing what your hedge fund is doing i'm gonna call you out on your shit i think it was like i don't know i find it to be like very exhilarating and maybe in like this in this time in american culture it's just sort of great to see someone just like sort of going after a vc guy i don't know and she's not even going after him he's

1:01:40Ronnie Karam: going after her which is cracking me up she's just like no you're not allowed to do that you're not

1:01:44Ben Mandelker: like you're not allowed to just say whatever you're gonna say and try to yeah i feel like

1:01:49Ronnie Karam: he's never met a woman that he can't just call toots and slap on the butt exactly it just seems like that kind of a guy he seems shocked that he's living in this kind of a world where women speak yeah exactly it's not like and i just offering him and he's like oh you know what oh you know

1:02:03Ben Mandelker: what i hated in that at that brunch he said something or maybe it was whitney one of them between the two of them said that like all they're doing is like creating drama and perpetuating this drama over and over and over i'm like it's you you're making you every single time i know it's

1:02:19Ronnie Karam: good casting horrible i love a good villain horrible human being yeah um all right everybody well thanks so much for being here through this long i don't even know how long we've been in here

1:02:30Ben Mandelker: but one hour and 56 minutes oh that's not so bad for us it's a super-sized reunion and an in the Yeah, it's not so bad.

1:02:37Ronnie Karam: Well, thanks so much for being here. If you want to stream the cabaret, get tickets at watchwhatcrappens.com or in our Instagram link in bio for tonight and June 5th. We love you guys. We'll talk to you next time. Bye. Thank you, Taylor.

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