#3405 Summer House S10E19 Part 2: How The West Was Spun

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1:26Ben Mandelker: Watch what happens. Who cares what happens when there's so much that happens?

1:34Ronnie Karam: Well, hello and welcome to Watch What Happens. This is part two of a two-part recap. If you're like, hey, wait a minute, I didn't hear part one. Guys, it's because we put out a lot of recaps. Go back and listen to part one, okay? It's before this one. Bye. Enjoy the show. So she's like, well, yeah, I had some of this information. and then it's like does it worry you that he sent her flowers on valentine's day and she's like well it was like nothing really going on between us on valentine's day you just said it was like

2:06Ben Mandelker: february i mean come on as then me i was like am i this is crazy am i crazy and i like bail he's like yeah cierra's like hello you just said am i going crazy yeah i was like i feel like the super bowl thing is like incriminating like date portnoy has no reason to get involved so i'm like the super bowl feels accurate and then i like me i was like that is great when was the super bowl just february 3rd bailey was like ready with that date but also like saying dave portnoy has no reason to get involved i mean that's never i feel like that's never stopped him from getting involved

2:34Ronnie Karam: in like you know online stuff yeah i don't know much about dave portnoy except that he is the barstool sports guy and then i saw the clip of this where he was like hey everybody i'm on a beach

2:45Ben Mandelker: he's like a you know yeah he's always wasted i feel like he's always chomping in on stuff yeah

2:50Ronnie Karam: Just like sweating and all tan. He's like, I don't even give a fuck about this stuff. But, you know, like, I heard from Chicken Fry. These two were born in the old time at the Super Bowl. What do I care? He's like, well, then why are you on TikTok? That was funny. So, but I don't know anything about him. But the listeners are like, why are you talking about Dave Portnoy? He's a pig. He's like, well, he's a pig with the TikTok. Like, what do you want me to say? Came up on my elbow.

3:16Ben Mandelker: But why would Dave Portnoy ever get himself involved in a Summer House drama? Yeah. because it's a portnoy so then and but either way i actually think bailey's point stands and i just loved how quickly she had that date because bailey has a timeline she clearly has a timeline of when things happen and she's like that let me reference my timeline and that was february 3rd okay everyone

3:34Ronnie Karam: yeah so andy asks if anybody's met miha and jesse's like yeah ben and i have and um he asked when and was like um but i'd also like to add like you're calling her my girlfriend and like

3:46Ben Mandelker: that's just not true yeah um so jesse is so jesse's saying yeah that they went to talk to montana and she always thought like you know he always thought me he was pretty like uh understood that they were not exclusive but like maybe now did she think she was her girlfriend well i mean

4:05Ronnie Karam: like she thought we were an exclusive relationship yeah but it doesn't mean she was my girlfriend this fucking guy just i'm just praying for a street sweeper to come in here and just run him

4:17Ben Mandelker: over yeah so then um andy is like jesse do you have anything that you want to say to west he's like i mean i'm not the person in this situation who needs sympathy but i'll cry anyway it's just like you know i feel perciera and kyle and it hurts deeply and i just feel lied to and i feel really upset that the sanctity of this friend group feels broken and just like today is really proven. I just never expected this out of you and I'm really sad about you. I'm just mean.

4:51Ronnie Karam: He's like, I apologize, Jesse. Yeah, this is heartbreaking. So he's like, yeah, it took all of us to go to West Village Bars. And he says, Wes, you said at the Opry Ski Party you weren't looking to be anyone's boyfriend. And we see him telling Ben like yeah it's like really hard to ignore the sexual attention but I'm not trying to portray that I'm a boyfriend you were to you kind of were to her okay long hug for another five minutes then make out on the couch then long hug again while you stare into each other's eyes

5:22Ben Mandelker: the fuck I would have I would have liked a question that said you just said that you don't want to portray that you could be a boyfriend so like what changed why are you guys now like why are you now suddenly down to give it a shot? Like, or was that just, or are you not really trying to give it a shot? Or was it a lie that you said you're not down to portray that you want to be a boyfriend? But, but instead Andy asks, so have you, have the two of you been monogamous? And then it's like silent. And Wes is like, um, yeah.

5:55Ronnie Karam: No, he goes, have you been, oh yeah, you're right. He says yes at first and goes, Wes, have you been monogamous to Amanda in the last two months? And he's like, well, like, actually, no, like, not since we've expressed feelings. And God's like, what? Sierra's like, oh, my God, the Internet would have a frenzy with you at point. Oh, so is he saying he wouldn't? What is he saying here?

6:19Ben Mandelker: I was confused by this because he's like, he's like, not since we expressed feelings. So maybe he's saying he hasn't hooked up with somebody.

6:27Ronnie Karam: Okay. Yeah, that's what I thought when I watched it. But wait a minute.

6:31Ben Mandelker: And Sierra's like, of course you haven't hooked up with anyone else because the internet would have a frenzy over it.

6:37Ronnie Karam: So it's like, well, since the statement, yeah, we've been monogamous. Oh, since the statement. Wow. What a guy. Wasn't that just like three weeks ago? And then Kyle's about to cry. And then Vera from Mel's Diner says, why does everybody keep telling Mel to kiss her pants? There's a lot of pressure on you to make things work with Amanda. And people are joking, you need to get married or get Amanda pregnant ASAP to make this work.

7:02Ben Mandelker: What's the – what? Pregnant? And he's like, how does that – I mean, do you feel the pressure to make this work? He's like, yeah, I don't think that should be why it works. But, like, obviously in a moment like this, like, that's like what you feel.

7:20Ronnie Karam: LOL. See, Amanda? I mean, how is Amanda even still sitting there? I mean if you've got this guy you've gone through all of this shit and you just find out he's been fucking someone else the whole time he only started being monogamous since the statement which is crazy because you know they were fucking a long time before that and now he's saying oh yeah well I mean I am still with her because I feel pressure from the internet I mean that's Amanda get some self respect for Christ's sake yeah geez

7:48Ben Mandelker: and he's like it just seems dangerous to be with someone with very clear commitment issues and Wes like yeah um i would agree because so kyle's like i just i still can't believe we're like in this position like we were really close like i consider you one of the best things that ever happened to the show because like i consider you one of my best friends and i think um i think the most eye opening part of all this has just been like unfortunately kind of like learning about what's kind of behind the closed doors in your life because i do still have a lot of love for amanda

8:13Ronnie Karam: and i do care for her but i'm very concerned very concerned for amanda okay well you could have been more concerned for Amanda while you were with Amanda Kyle. So some of Kyle's like over, like, oh, poor Amanda, what do we do? Stop infantilizing Amanda, please. Please. Enough. And Kyle's like, at the end of the day, you love her boy for love her boy. And when we broke up, yeah, it wasn't a good marriage, you know? And you knew that because you had a front row seat, and you knew she was the most vulnerable spot any girl could possibly be. Her husband just became a DJ. How could you do this?

8:50Ben Mandelker: and to quote you on andy's show like yeah i'm gonna share with the streets and so oh that's what that's what it was i guess yeah it was like again he coughs again it has a lot of coffee he's like he's definitely doing like spit takes and he's like and you know decided to make that move to pursue these feelings you've essentially completely isolated her like she's kind of alone on an island and i also have to just ask like does that island need to dj because like i could throw a mean dj party there but like what's your plan for amanda like is all this really gonna be worth

9:19Ronnie Karam: it no i'm not buying this oh it's all west fault and he isolated amanda bullshit amanda did this to herself and amanda isolated herself okay west is a piece of shit but i'm i'm not in for kyle making this whole like amanda's just some sweet little bird that you took at her most vulnerable moment and now you've isolated her no i'm not giving i'm not giving amanda that i think that

9:45Ben Mandelker: Amanda is an adult and made her own decisions and she should be that she should be held responsible for them I think that West maybe had the should have had the foresight to realize though that she is coming out of a relationship and she's probably kind of excited for male attention after feeling so like unseen for so long and I think he should have recognized that like maybe what he was feeling or seeing like this was not the time to do this I think he did have a responsibility and it doesn't it doesn't mean that amanda's off the hook but i do think he had a responsibility to say this is not right because she's probably we all know we all know when people get divorced they they all go kind of crazy afterwards it's like coming out of the closet we all know this and i think you know he is young he may not have as much experience with this but he does have experience he knows when people rebound and he i do think he was maybe of like a slightly not saner mind but like he didn't have all that like upheaval in his life in the same way

10:46Ronnie Karam: and i think he should have recognized well i mean look west should realize recognize the feelings and what he's putting every woman he goes out with and treats like which is every woman we've heard of in the past three years no one's ever been like west was a good guy it's all been west just treated me like their feelings west led them on west like so he should have respect for all the women so i'm not letting west off but i'm also not gonna like i'm not like i'm not getting with this whole amanda's some victim i'm so sick of the amanda's a fucking victim of everything around i think i think that was like i'll give it to her with kyle you know with that marriage and i've always stood up for amanda in that marriage even though i really like kyle but i've always stood up for amanda in that marriage but i'm not giving her this i actually think kyle was trying to give amanda a little bit of a lifeline there to be like hey here's your angle like there's their way out

11:39Ben Mandelker: of this yeah but she wasn't gonna take that she doesn't want a way out she does you know it's

11:43Ronnie Karam: like throwing someone a rope down a well and they're like i've been looking for studio space in this city for years maybe baby jessica was happy yeah so baby jessica was sick of them trying to make her eat broccoli she was like i'm in the well on purpose maybe the lady alone maybe the lady inside the lambs wanted some lotion oh god you know for some reason that came up on my instagram how did that get on my algorithm it's an ad for a shirt with the dog looking down the well i'm buying that shirt it's a great shirt it's from the bottom of the well and you just

12:18Ben Mandelker: see that little poodle looking down like it's instantly recognized that's funny there's a song someone made a song about that it goes it puts the lotion in the basket the lotion in the basket someone made a song you have to go the course is about putting lotion in the basket

12:37Ronnie Karam: um so kyle's like well i'd like to think you care about her and that you i mean i'd like to think that you feel you owe her something but like where you go from here he's like um yeah well like um well like obviously like weeing in how much this could like up like frenzies and like you know like why i wish more than anything we could have like spoken to each other before it got carried away he's like well that was when you were in my business you know like that's when you were inserting inserting yourself into my marriage and i was texting you in early february not knowing you're in miami on a dinner date with amanda i was texting you about our sex life for lack thereof i mean do you understand how big of a fool i feel he's like totally he's like this is the thing

13:18Ben Mandelker: kyle this was the thing yeah 10 years and this is the thing that made copy like a fool it's time

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16:22Ben Mandelker: So, but Wes, but his point remains. And Wes is like, again, there was like nothing romantic at the time. But it's just, he's like, why wasn't I invited to dinner? Oh, God. Wes is like, well, you and I had dinner plans for the next night. and I should have invited you and I apologized. I'm like, oh gosh, please.

16:43Ronnie Karam: She's like, it just looks bad, okay? I just want to have dinner with my friends. And Wes is like, no, like, it all looks shitty, you know? Like, this concern about me being, like, the worst person, like, it makes total sense. Like, and then, you know, like, it's everyone's concern. I get it. And Kyle's like, yeah, I actually care about her family. I don't even know what her family's gonna think when they see this, because, yeah, like, you know, we just kind of exposed you for having a full-blown girlfriend and i'm like this is horrible your dad's gonna make you sign a contract her dad's gonna make you sign something so by the way at this point andy has fully checked out of

17:18Ben Mandelker: the reunion and now is just letting the cast do it and by the way the cast is more than capable especially lindsey so is there anything you can make us feel better about it like would you like to set an intention because there's a lot to unpack here like you not being the worst person to risk it all for zero's like yeah you're still not being like oh she's worth it like it is funny because after all this West is not sitting there being like yeah this was rough but you know what I feel something that I'm with Amanda that I've never felt before and that's the only reason why I would do this because like I've had so many of these moments where I see someone I get scared and it's the first time I've not been scared of relationship I want to dive in he says nothing romantic nothing like that and then he will probably say

17:59Ronnie Karam: we are still together because the internet would be mad at me if I dumped her now Oh, God. Sorry I'm a bad person.

18:06Ben Mandelker: I guarantee he'll go on this podcast and say, well, the reason why I didn't say she's worth it is because I felt like it would be disrespectful to Ciara and that, like, if I said that, then, like, people would get, like, really mad at me because I guarantee he keeps on saying people will get mad at me. People will get mad at me. The ongoing theme is, like, his concern about how others will view him.

18:23Ronnie Karam: Yep. So he's like, you know, like, there's, like, so many conversations with us about, like, how this needs to be something serious and has legs and Kyle's like, well, how much of that is a PR damage move? Exactly. That's exactly what he's saying. He's like, no, but before all of this happened, no, because before all this happened, you were saying, how are people going to react to this? There was never a moment in this relationship where you weren't like, oh shit, what are people going to say about this? Yeah. Well, it seems like... You guys just got caught because you were going to time it to be next season when you're like, oh, now we're best friends who have become lovers.

19:01Ronnie Karam: Isn't that sweet? but you got caught and your whole plan was ruined yeah dum-dums i think west is very concerned with

19:07Ben Mandelker: how the greater public thinks of him but he's not concerned at all about his friend how his friends the people he actually hurts think of him he's like um i 100 hear you so this got out of my control and i i wish i didn't and again i will forever regret not speaking to you before this happened um yeah and he's like well i mean it was in your control the whole time like you had to know that this was going to happen like hello and i was like yeah i mean if you're hooking up

19:35Ronnie Karam: and whatever you're doing and posting about it and that's the other thing that you know we keep saying over and over but they don't really it's not stressed enough i think how they keep trying to make this timeline and stick to this timeline when they were the ones posting on instagram and breadcrumbing as they're calling it on this show and teasing everybody that this was going on the whole time like little videos of her rubbing his fingers in line like all the romantic songs she was posting. I mean, it's like legit crazy. And Sierra's like, yeah, I feel like you guys bragging about it for months on end is really the point where it's like the most disrespectful to everyone.

20:09Ronnie Karam: Thank you. And Mia's like, do you think you weren't bragging about it when you were posting on Instagram? Like, hello? And Sierra says, yeah, you literally posted a picture like, this is how much I care. Holds her fingers up with an inch between her pointer and thumb. Like, I don't care. None of this is affecting me.

20:26Ben Mandelker: Amanda's like, it had nothing to do with anything. Why are you

20:29Ronnie Karam: posting that right right when the internet's coming after you and you're posting like this is how much i care i'm just like random and now and then amanda says it's just so easy to read

20:39Ben Mandelker: into everything amanda you literally we watched for 10 years you read into everything and i feel like it's a crazy thing so how long do we have in here um it's a hard out of two thirty okay getting the next episode going are you guys gonna do that uh we're we're still recording the first

20:56Ronnie Karam: episode right now we'll be out okay yeah yeah we'll figure it out thanks sorry i was running a little late today miles producer miles was like get the fuck out of here okay and take your peanut butter crackers with we've locked up the peanut butter crackers okay good luck it's not fair

21:14Ben Mandelker: because uh i still want to talk about how west is a liar for 30 more minutes i want to make the same point over and over again for 30 more minutes well but that is also the thing with this episode that was making me crazy it's like okay like we get it he's they're never gonna say anything

21:29Ronnie Karam: that's gonna make him say anything other than what he's saying which is whoops yeah exactly

21:35Ben Mandelker: um so it really it drives me crazy that amanda's acting like they are crazy for reading into things when that's all she has been doing on this show for years and years yeah and sierra's like look you like girls post so conscientiously like subconsciously consciously not even conscientiously but just consciously they're like very aware even down to the song and we see like all the song choices are about like crushing and things like that and like a lot of olivia gene and so amanda's like yeah amanda's like well i post trending songs i'm not spending five minutes i literally open up instagram and says suggested for you and i like pick a fucking song amanda you posted this

22:13Ronnie Karam: song i'm fucking your ex-boyfriend yeah no it's just an accident this is also a dig it

22:19Ben Mandelker: supposed to do this is a dig at kyle too because his career is now curating music and she's like i don't even curate but um so kyle's like i mean you know 20 hours old thing and we're in west like she said this is how much i care she's like no i'm like my fucking whatever like it was just a very dumb mistake on my part and literally they're not related this is the most fired up she's been is about her social media not about how like she's hurt someone well yeah well she's fired up about

22:47Ronnie Karam: it because they're clearly calling her out on fucking you know fucking with everybody and dropping all these little hints she's like how dare you I never put forethought into anything I married Kyle

22:58Ben Mandelker: so Sierra we have like now Andy's saying you know one thing God I think the thing that's really killing people here aside from your ponytail is that I don't know like all these scenes of Sierra just giving you trying to give you the strength to lead this relationship. Let's see an extended montage to make you feel even worse than ever before.

23:21Ronnie Karam: So we get the montage of Sierra being like, you are better than this. You need to stand on your own two feet. I believe in you. You are strong. You are a woman. We are sisters. You will get through this. And we come back and Amanda's like, yeah, I really did a shitty thing.

23:39Ben Mandelker: Yeah. And Andy's like, and so Sierra's like, yeah, you really did whatever. and Andy's like, hold on, hold on. What do you have to say about it? I mean, I don't know that I'm like, like, what are you feeling? Like, what are you thinking? Can you say something on this reunion? And then Amanda goes, in regards to the situation? No, in regards to the new branding of Cheerios. Like, what the hell?

23:59Ronnie Karam: The price of eggs is high, huh? What do you think about Love Island? Oh, are we talking about gas? Yeah. Come on. Get out of here. Amanda, what are your thoughts on Iran?

24:10Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Straight up crazy. Do you think this trait of hormones is overblown? In regards to the situation?

24:20Ronnie Karam: Amanda, are straws okay to use again? Yes or no? Did we all just stop worrying about the turtles at the same time? Venetian lines or curtains? Yeah. Why did they call them no-see-em socks when you can still see them?

24:36Ben Mandelker: So Amanda's like, well, it's been a very confusing and crazy time, and there's been a lot of feelings that I've sorted through. and I developed feelings for someone that I was like, like I wasn't expecting to. And like, there were times I lost sleep and I didn't eat and like thinking about what this was going to do our friendship. Even like the fact that these feelings existed, I fucked up and I'm deeply sorry for betraying your trust. And it kills me to know that I've caused you this pain.

25:01Ronnie Karam: Okay,

25:01Ben Mandelker: great.

25:02Ronnie Karam: Thank you. That's very canned. So Sierra's like, no, it doesn't Amanda. Like you fucking texted me 24 hours before your fucking statement is going to come out. Finally admitting the truth. and we see a text from Amanda. Me again. I'd really like if we could talk at least so I can understand how you're feeling. I know you process things differently and need space, but I'm really sad where things are right now. I'm not sure what the right thing to do is or how to go about this. I want to hear you out and take accountability for everything that I did that upset you, even when it wasn't my intention.

25:39Ben Mandelker: Sarah's like, meanwhile, I'm like calling Kyle. Like, what the fuck is this? When I've done nothing but be there for you. And Lindsay has to come pick me up off the fucking bathroom floor so I can, like, go and do my fucking job. Okay? Like, because I couldn't even fathom that I'd be sitting here right here today. Pissed that you're my fucking, that you're fucking my ex. And he propositions you. And you said, yeah, let's do it. Like, at the slightest, if you were my friend ever, you would have been like, hmm, that would be a big fuck you to Ciara. Why would I ever do that to her? And Amanda's like, but it wasn't.

26:07Ronnie Karam: So if anything, you'd be like he wants revenge against her because he resents her so fucking much. But that never even crossed your mind because he wants to embarrass me and he wants to get his last little word. And this is his last little word. And I hope it works because he's with you to spite me. So have fun.

26:23Ben Mandelker: But the big news here.

26:24Ronnie Karam: Pretty solid. Yeah.

26:26Ben Mandelker: Pretty solid read. Yeah. I mean, if he was doing all this just to spite Sierra, like, that's wild. Like I, I, I have to say like when Sierra says that, like it reads a little conspiratorial to me, but like, again, nothing's off limits with this show anymore.

26:42Ronnie Karam: I don't think it reads conspiratorial. I think that their timing was fucked up. I really do believe that he thought he would have this season where he made it good with Sierra. They established they're just friends. And then the next season he could be like, well, I've been falling for Amanda because that keeps him on the show. It keeps a juicy storyline with him taking Kyle's whatever. and I really think he thought he could smooth it over with Sierra and she'd just understand like we weren't right for each other but me and Amanda are right but their timing just got completely blown up and I think ultimately his plan to get with Amanda is to spite Sierra like look now I'm having this happy relationship and now I'm like a hero because I've saved quote unquote this woman in this horrible relationship and the audience is going to love me and you know to spite Sierra who he blames for ruining his last seasons with the audience.

27:33Ronnie Karam: So I don't think she's wrong at all.

27:35Ben Mandelker: Although I do think that if Wes wanted to ensure another season by having some sort of relationship with Amanda, I think he would have saved that actually on camera, like been in the house and started flirting with her. And I think he would have actually just done it right there on camera. I think, I'm not saying that he's not being underhanded or whatever.

27:56Ronnie Karam: Well, but in his mind, he wasn't doing anything with Amanda. He was just going out and laying foundation and groundwork. He wasn't in his mind. He wasn't dating Amanda. They only started. They only started dating supposedly, according to them, after this statement. And the only reason they made the statement, according to them, is because a video of them hooking up came out. So him hooking up with somebody isn't dating. He does that with everybody. So I think he was thinking I'm laying the foundation because we saw Ben say on the show last week or the week before, like, or someone accusing Ben.

28:26Ronnie Karam: you were lying about having this girlfriend or not having a girlfriend rather because you said that you needed to have a girlfriend on camera like the show doesn't want you without a girlfriend on camera right you know so they've established that that's which we've always suspected but they've now admitted that that's a thing on the show so i think he's like well i haven't had somebody on camera except this thing with sierra and so now that that's going to end up and i'll be back in the audience good graces i need to have another thing and it's who better than the other lead of the show, one of the OGs.

28:56Ben Mandelker: We have an update, which is from Ben, who says, my neck's gonna be pinched by the end of today. Oh, God, it'll match your face. I just hope my father hugs it and makes it nice again.

29:09Ronnie Karam: He's always like pinched face. He always looks like something smells in there.

29:15Ben Mandelker: Welcome back to the Summer House Season 10 Reunion. Sierra, you said that watching the season back has been a major mind bug. Which scenes have been the most difficult for you to watch would you like to have your mind fucked all over again right in

29:29Ronnie Karam: front of your entire cast yeah so basically the last scene where amanda nice working with you yikes yeah but where she's lifting up amanda and being like you're so special and you deserve the world and sierra's crying while she's saying this and amanda's just staring you know with her homer simpson eyes no reaction blinking no reaction like that's what's so like killer like you would

29:54Ben Mandelker: think that amanda would be like it's like like i it's like you would think she would cry or feel something and and be like this is the worst thing you know to see her give me that blind support and how i got so wrapped up in this and how i hurt the person who was trying to help me out the most like there's just no no like emotional note of that so andy's like well that final weekend did seem instrumental and pushing amanda into doing something about a relationship do you regret that And Sierra's like, no, I don't regret pushing her to leave, Kyle. She's like, it was a friend in need, and I wanted her to be happy, and I wanted her to have a sense of relief, and I wanted her to exhale.

30:28Ben Mandelker: And she says she doesn't want to see women in bad relationships. That's what she was raised with, and she saw what her mom went through, and she didn't want Amanda to go through all that.

30:38Ronnie Karam: What's your response to that, Amanda? She's like, no, I mean, I've been so appreciative of everything that Sierra's done for me. and like I know I fucked up an incredible friendship and no matter what happens I'll walk away from this set today really thinking and reflecting oh my god that was one of the

31:01Ben Mandelker: worst things I heard all reunion I'm gonna walk away thinking and reflecting like not I'm gonna walk away you know uh carrying this shame with me knowing that like like that that trying to find a path forward like it's just i'm gonna go it's that's just so non-committal and so empty

31:20Ronnie Karam: like yeah i'm reflecting about it you're giving me something to think about okay so she's like you know like i can say it's only blue in the face but like i'm truly sorry and i don't deserve a friend like you i was here just rolling her eyes like yeah so anything else she could say right now lindsey's like um what did you think was gonna happen now like that's where I'm getting really amused. And Carl's like, yeah, go back to my question about the plan. What was your plan? Yeah, how did you not know? Like, knowing Sierra, how did you not know what was going to do to the friendship? She did know.

31:53Ronnie Karam: She didn't care.

31:55Ben Mandelker: She did not care. And you weren't just, like, willing to say, fuck it. And Sierra's like, yeah, that's the part. That's the part that's, you know, the part that's disposable. And Amanda's like, I'm living in cloud nine. I wasn't even, like, I wasn't thinking it fully through. And by the way, they keep going to Jesse. and he's crying more and more in the corner.

32:12Ronnie Karam: Jesse, this affects Jesse more than anybody.

32:16Ben Mandelker: Jesse, what's going through your mind? If it's a song, please don't sing it. He's like, well, I just was hoping you wouldn't call on me. It's just like, I didn't expect to get this emotional about it, but just based off of what we've heard, I feel like I'm losing a brother. And I just hope that you can somehow improve and prove to us like wrong and whatever, but it doesn't look good. Trapezoid face.

32:39Ronnie Karam: and Andy asks Wes what he thinks and Wes is just like biting his lip looking at the ground he's like like obviously like I hate that it's like obviously like devastating and it's like it sucks that I'm like responsible and it's like okay no offense are you on beta blockers like everyone's so emotional around you I mean Jesse's crying okay and you're just like whatever what's going on and Wes is like uh and then he goes I'm talking to you and Wes is like oh yeah um yeah I'm talking to you I'm just like trying to like stay composed as like much as possible and Sierra's like or you're just a sociopath

33:25Ben Mandelker: he's not even emotionally affected because again anytime there's like a break anytime there's like whatever he is back on his phone or he's like laughing and smiling he is not emotionally affected by this at all whatsoever and it's like the moment that andy calls him out on this you see west is like oh shit i forgot to calculate this into my facade i forgot to include like like uh like moments to like fake cry um so jesse's like are you a bit of lockers he's like um i did i did take a beta i took a beta blocker i think he does i don't think part of me feels like he didn't take it and he's like oh but i should say i took once that way people will understand why i'm not being

34:02Ronnie Karam: emotional yeah um well it's better than saying zanny i think it's like on bravo when you know they're like oh he's an adderall addict and you know they snort and coke back there you know there's like code words for like the legal things they're doing or like katherine on southern charm who's like i was addicted to marijuana okay yeah so um he's saying he's just trying to stay composed and he's like i'm sorry i'm not sobbing you know but this does matter to me you know you know like Like, if I was sitting where Carl is, I would wrap my arms around him, you know? Carl?

34:37Ben Mandelker: Well, no, not around. He's saying if he was sitting where Carl is, he'd be next to Jesse.

34:42Ronnie Karam: Oh, sorry. What's Carl getting hugs for?

34:45Ben Mandelker: Is there going to be a bonus hug for me? Because I'm sore down for it.

34:48Ronnie Karam: All right. Amanda, was it worth it? And Bailey's like, please say no. Just please say no. Amanda, God, let me help you with your answers. Just say no, please.

34:57Ben Mandelker: Well, that's an impossible question to answer in this moment because I wish I could have both, even though that's not the case. Amanda, you had to know this question was coming. And again, I think she should have said yes. I think she should have just laid. She should have just stood in her truth.

35:13Ronnie Karam: Don't say no. I like that every single answer Amanda gives, we're like, no, this is what she needed to say. Amanda, like we can't. That's I think what's the most frustrating thing is at Amanda. you've been on TV 10 years and you don't know how to do this. Yeah. Like literally. And you watch housewives. Don't you? Like, doesn't she watch Bravo? Like you don't know how to give an apology on Bravo girl. Come on. It's like, you're just bad at your job. You're not only bad at cheating or whatever you did. You're just bad at this.

35:43Ben Mandelker: Yeah. No, I mean, it's a trick question for her. Cause if she says no, then she's sort of screwing up the situation that she's in at the moment. Um, which is then like, now you've caused all this damage for nothing. So she can't really say no. but like and I think that she again I think she should say yes because it's her truth and it's what she feels and what she likes but they're just not they're just too cowardly

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38:25Ronnie Karam: So Andy's like, let me ask you very clearly. Did you get any boobs? He's like, are you guys in love? And Wes is like, um, we're not really using the word love right now. So Matt's like, yeah, it's too early. I mean it's just been like two months three months five months eight months how many months

38:47Ben Mandelker: did we say it was he told me that he loves her so I'm gonna help you out and Wes is like yeah I'm very much like committed to this relationship and he's like so do you think you could be falling in love and Amanda's like that's the conversation that we've had that's can you please stop saying conversation I'm so sick of her being like that's the conversation we've had we've had a lot of conversations we're going to have a conversation We need to have a conversation. Oh, my God.

39:14Ronnie Karam: Yeah, because she's trying to stress that we're not just fucking. Like, this is a relationship. And we talk a lot. We've talked about all of this. And she's like, that's the reason I waited. What do you wait for? And Mia laughs openly. It's like, well, you can laugh at me all you want. She's like, this is crazy. I'm sorry. And so Lindsay's like, well, you had these conversations. But Wes is sitting here saying no, like flat out no. And she's like, well, we haven't said, you know, we've just had conversations about maybe saying it someday.

39:42Ben Mandelker: Bailey's like, he's going to embarrass you. Lindsay's like, well, they're having conversations about saying it. But do you feel like it could be? You're checking to see if you'd love. And Minna's like, no, we're not having conversations about saying it. We're having conversations about the serious of our feelings. And where we see this going, because we knew that there was like so much on the line. Zoe, you guys are exclusive.

40:08Ronnie Karam: and he says yeah and Lindsay's like well they have to be now I mean jeez so Carl's like oh and you want like you still want to be with him like after all this shit Amanda like you see this behavior he's looking up with four different girls and your former best friend that's fucking crazy this is crazy Amanda

40:25Ben Mandelker: I hear you okay thanks

40:28Ronnie Karam: do you think I'm gonna think about that I'm gonna really do some thinking about that Wes

40:34Ben Mandelker: do you think you're able to give Amanda what she needs in a partner

40:39Ronnie Karam: lol yeah he's like well i know my history doesn't say but like i think if amanda can get back amanda and i can get back to our early days your early days so how long has this been going on

40:50Ben Mandelker: exactly that was a big that was a big mess up because like the early days was february and this was shot in like what early april or something like that you're in your early days sir yeah

41:02Ronnie Karam: they're so they're just lying it's making me crazy and andy's like what six weeks ago um that's the honeymoon phase i mean come on oh my god you're like every other guy and uh west's like well but like just like this relationship i just mean like when this relationship was blossoming he means basically when it was before it was public and before they

41:22Ben Mandelker: had to worry about what he means in the summer what he means well no i think that's right and i but i think he's trying to say he's trying to pivot to saying like no i mean before everyone found out but like you cannot say in the early days when you're only six weeks in no um because

41:37Ronnie Karam: he's lying he tells on himself he's a bad liar so um they're like well yeah of course you know it's the most exciting when you're sneaking around like every everybody who has an affair says that you know duh like you're tricking people and you're you're being sneaky and carl's like oh

41:53Ben Mandelker: it's exciting it's the best part so um there's a bet that like west loves the thrill of the chase face and Wes is like um he's like you know I care a lot about my friendships and people in this room

42:06Ronnie Karam: despite I know what it looks like it's a lie it's a lie like well despite what everyone's gonna say

42:11Ben Mandelker: here and I just hope that like um like one day I guess probably all these friendships won't men but like I do hope like some of them can and like that's like the main priority I'm gonna have like

42:21Ronnie Karam: a bunch of conversations and reflecting about like we're gonna have conversations so they take a little break and Lindsay's like, um, I still have zero clarity. Andy, are you even here today? Like, do I need to do this for you? And Andy checks in on Wes and he's like, um, I feel like horrible. So then um, Sierra's just staring at Wes. He's like, um, yeah, like, I, uh, honestly, I'll say, I'm still trying to figure out, like, how sorry you are because this is crazy. And Kyle talks about what a mind fuck it is and, you know, they're trying to have resolution um but west is not helping and west is just sitting there stuttering biting his lip like yeah i mean not saying you have an answer because it's a fucking loaded question but like oh geez i'm just gonna i'll be right back amanda let's hug you okay then he gives her a big long

43:13Ben Mandelker: hug and west is just on amanda i mean well west is just on his phone texting amanda's like hugging kyle and west is not like and she's crying by the way they're both crying and west is not like damn my girl's crying right now. Like, what should I do? Or crying in her ex-husband's arms. And he's not like watching to be like, okay, let me see what's going on with her because when she's done crying with Kyle, let me go in there. He's just on his phone. He's like, checking his associates. Yeah.

43:42Ronnie Karam: So Kyle's like, I hate one or 10 year relationship because talking about as if it was 100 % bad. She's like, I know, I'm sorry. And then she just kind of like ices and walks away. I was like, oh, cold.

43:53Ben Mandelker: That's fair. That's fair. because it was really only 95 % bad.

43:57Ronnie Karam: Yeah, well, you were only there 10 % of the time, babe. So Kyle walks away, and they get back to it. And then Lindsay's still like, I haven't learned anything. Okay, I'm taking over now. And Andy's like, okay, Lindsay, geez. He's like, should we just start over?

44:15Ben Mandelker: He's like, hey, everyone, welcome to the summer house.

44:18Ronnie Karam: And then Lindsay just goes off. She takes over the reunion. And it's so fucking funny. but it's Lindsay so Lindsay is known for not being able to give a good speech I mean a short speech so it just goes and goes and we're like oh my god we know Lindsay but it was

44:36Ben Mandelker: still really funny to watch and she's like I just like don't get it I'm just like confused like such a big decision it's such high risk and you guys are saying you wait all these options before making this decision but you didn't because look at it all these guys are a mess Carl's a mess and if you wait all these decisions then surely you must have thought how this would affect more than just the four of you and i'm looking at you west because you're the manipulator here i was like yes thank you lindsey this is great yeah yeah i also made the first move it's like yeah

45:03Ronnie Karam: and you're like not thinking it in a bird life you know and this affects and this is where i loved it because this is she laid it out like she laid it out in a way that i was like oh that's why jesse's crying yeah because she's like this affects our jobs like this could ruin our whole show do you Look what happened to Vanderpump Rules. That whole show couldn't recover. Everybody lost their jobs. How am I supposed to get my Taco Bell contracts if you fuck this up? How's Jesse going to work without a wingman? How are these people going to keep their jobs? And I really like that. And she's like, and then none of us even get to talk about anything else because it's the whole fucking day is you and your stupid fucking relationship.

45:43Ronnie Karam: And all you guys can say is, well, we have a lot to think about. And I loved it. She just read them the right act. She was like, you are messing with the summer house economy.

45:53Ben Mandelker: She was great. I loved, I loved that she said, and all you guys can say is we have a lot to think about after tonight. That was so good. I'm glad because like, that's what we're all saying right here. That's what we've spent the past, you know, hour and 28 minutes saying like, that's all that they can say. And I'm glad that like, that Lindsay brought up right to their faces right at that moment. So Andy's like, all right, well, wow. This group really is at a crossroads. it's like Britney Spears over here Kyle what does moving forward look like for you?

46:22Ronnie Karam: It's like a discount clothing store that's not discount at all would you like a 20 year old pair of jeans that smell still and are$900 coming across the road?

46:32Ben Mandelker: Kyle I know like I mean it's clear you still love Amanda you care for her she's like family to you how do you navigate the future? So he's saying he's been since this lady he's been trying to be at peace and you know like he's just like he just wants to focus on an amicable breakup because you know we're friends of both sides and the audience has to choose sides we have friendships and bad breakups and you know we've seen see what it does to friends and like andy i don't know i don't know where we go from here like i really like i know i said on your show whatever makes me happy i'd be happy about but like candidly this is not something

47:02Ronnie Karam: i ever thought would be possible when he says the audience has to choose sides amanda goes and we never want we don't want that that's what we don't want too late stupid so um then a flashback to watch what happens when Kyle was saying it would catch me by surprise if Amanda and Wes were together it would feel reckless but if it made Amanda happy I think I'd just vote yay and he's like uh Andy asked Sierra that she's hurt obviously and um upset with the situation but do you think this was cathartic getting it out today and I don't see you reconciling it's like yeah uh it was cathartic it's nice to be able to move on with my life so yeah all right well this is a very

47:48Ben Mandelker: tense reunion so we are gonna try to end it nicely so sierra you raised 160 000 for girl scout troop 6 000 so we're gonna feed everyone girl scout cookies okay everyone so they all they hand out girl scout cookies and they're all gonna do a toast and west starts to eat one and it's like don't eat yet we're cheersing

48:08Ronnie Karam: I said they were tiny weenies I really am crazy today so yeah she's like when cheersing was God I was like here you come well it's ironic because this was the most fun season of Summer House but also the most depressing reunion God damn this hurt okay well this was great Newbies you were great sorry none of you Bailey congrats on your one line that was great it was a good thing against Ben, but whatever. Go to bravotv.com. Can I leave now?

48:38Ben Mandelker: By the way, Bailey, be sure to tell Levi we hope to meet her someday. She was actually on the stage earlier.

48:45Ronnie Karam: I'm pretty sure she wasn't. I'm going to call the medium, and we are going to actually hear Bailey's voice or Levi's voice one day. That was it.

48:56Ben Mandelker: Good reunion. There's the thing next week. My only hope for the upcoming season, as we wrap this up is uh that i hope they that the producers don't try to be super morose like they did with banner pump rules like keep the show totally the same we will all move forward but let's not have it be super serious i don't think that's gonna work it's gonna it's looks like serious but we'll see don't kill it don't kill the show producers that's what we're saying yeah the vibe right

49:23Ronnie Karam: all right guys well thanks so much we will talk to you next time bye watch what crappens would

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