#3406 In the City S1E4 : Murk it Girl!

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1:20Ben Mandelker: Hello and welcome to Watch What Crap Ends, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker and joining me today here in New York City, in the city is the one and only and beautiful Ronnie Karam. Hi Ronnie, how are you? Hi, how are you? Good. I'm so excited to be back for In the City. Go follow us at patreon.com slash watch for crappens for ad free video, newsletter, and bonus episodes. All the good stuff. We talked about Love Island on the bonus this week. And without further ado, let's just dive right into In the City.

1:54Ronnie Karam: Yeah, just had a really long Summer House Reunion Part 3. So, in the city, out we go, buddies. Yes, the big thing. Thank God for Kenny. God, it's nice to have a fresh douchebag to root against. Jeez, I'm so sick of rooting against the same douchebag. It's nice to have West away. And now, Kenny, because West is like a very wussy villain. He's like, lip biting villain whereas kenny is just like i'm here to fuck shit up finance bro villain that's great yes it's like i'm here to fuck everything up with everybody and everybody on this cast will

2:35Ben Mandelker: hate me halfway through the season yes so whitney has just confronted him about uh telling people that this there's no spark and that the future is murky because she was told that by lexi who learned that from andrea who learned that from kyle who learned that from kenny so and to be

2:49Ronnie Karam: telling to be and then kenny is just like yeah so i said there was no spark but i didn't mean it in a bad way yeah what does that mean and also he's telling her this at tucci a restaurant called tucci and stanley tucci is like the ultimate friend zone like that's a friend zone where a

3:06Ben Mandelker: person is stanley tucci so this is rough yeah yeah so he basically is like well i mean the conversation i had with kyle like the point that i made to him was that i used to be more in this like storybook mindset. And now I feel like I'm in this place where I think about like lifelong commitment. I just have a hard time getting excited about it. And like where that spark is. I'm like just not excited about life. I'm not excited about commitment. So I don't have a spark for commitment basically. So spark is probably the wrong word, but it wasn't that we have no, it's not that we have no spark. We've got like a great, great spark and great energy and we're super connected.

3:39Ben Mandelker: And I really feel like so much spark. I feel it so much.

3:44Ronnie Karam: I'm just really, you know, like, look, it's not that I don't feel a spark. It's that I feel no excitement about committing to you.

3:51Ben Mandelker: You know what it is? It's like, I don't like to think about you.

3:54Ronnie Karam: Yeah. But there's this out. It's like, I mean, you're so pretty. But then I think about like, oh, my God, she's still going to be here tomorrow. And it's like gross, you know, so you don't take that personally, right? I mean, don't be crazy.

4:07Ben Mandelker: You just, you know, you just moved across the country. You brought some little wooden balls. That was cute. And I really feel good about that. and like, you know, we're not perfect, but like we are in a great place, specifically my place that you're in and taking over and other people trying to poke holes and it's just like, it's just noise. And this is why it gets so defensive because I just don't feel like you deserve it. I don't feel like someone I have lukewarm feelings about deserves this much pain.

4:31Ronnie Karam: You don't deserve to be told that I don't have feelings for you. I was saying that in private to somebody else. How could they try to poke holes in this relationship? Oh my God, you were trying to get a girlfriend to have on the TV screen. yeah just admit it and Whitney you're with this guy for the same reason I mean give me a break it's hard to feel for Whitney when she's just like oh okay so but like you're not saying like when you say no spark you just mean no spark right and he's like yeah she's like okay okay

5:01Ben Mandelker: like you're not on fire it was a very literal thing when I said there's no spark I meant like you are currently like not a flame and so he's like well I spent 10 minutes talking to Kyle

5:11Ronnie Karam: about how amazing Whitney was and we see him being like, wow, God, Whitney, just so happy all the time. You know, get yourself a happy one. That's good. Just smiles all the time. You complain about her wood balls. What does she do? She cries a little bit, but she's back to being happy. Thank God a woman who was just a smile on her face. What?

5:32Ben Mandelker: So then she says, but you also refer to our future as like murky or something. He's like, what? Our future is murky, I don't say the M word. That's crazy. Who would have ever said that? So now we cut to Andrea and Lexi and they're out with Yvonne and Nick the day before and Andrea's like, well, Kenny described it like the day, like today's good, but like tomorrow, like it could be murky, you know?

5:54Ronnie Karam: He's like, I never said the word murky.

5:56Ben Mandelker: At least not that

5:57Ronnie Karam: I'm aware of.

5:59Ben Mandelker: Sounds like your awareness of murky is a bit murky.

6:02Ronnie Karam: Yes, exactly. And also the fact that you're like, not that I'm aware. He just said your relationship is murky. I mean, the fact that he's going to go semantics on this is crazy.

6:13Ben Mandelker: Right. But of course he's going to because it gets him out of trouble because everyone focuses on that. I mean, you just literally said something about like, I'm in a place where I think about lifelong commitment. I just have a hard time getting excited about it. So would it be fair to say that when you think about this relationship, the outlook is maybe murky for you? Yes.

6:28Ronnie Karam: And it's not fair because it's versus Andrea and he's like, but what? I didn't say the word murky. I just meant you meant murky. He's like, I did not.

6:36Ben Mandelker: How dare you say murky? I said murkin. So he is like, I mean, look.

6:43Ronnie Karam: The server is like, I'm so sorry for the interruption of your food. So sorry.

6:49Ben Mandelker: Whitney's like, I just want to know that you want this to work. He's like, of course I can't wait for you to move out. I mean, move in, stay in, but move out. I can't wait to throw out all your stuff.

6:58Ronnie Karam: Of course I want you to work. Otherwise you're going to be in my apartment all day with all your boxes. I want kids. I want a family with somebody. I don't know. Name probably doesn't even rhyme with Whitney, let's face it. But hey, we're shooting for six weeks, so welcome.

7:12Ben Mandelker: Look, you literally left all of your friends, you left your entire world to come here and be on a TV show. I mean, to date me. And that's a big deal. And, you know, it's going to make you emotional, and that's why I've been so protective of you. I'm just protecting you. I do... Oh, and I do think that losing my mom, I underestimate you. No, no, no. No dead mom card, sir. You just got called

7:33Ronnie Karam: out on saying you have no spark with this lady and possibly that your relationship is murky. You've got to leave your mom passing away out of this. I say card denied. She died. Card denied. She died. She's like, oh, my

7:47Ben Mandelker: God, he's crying a little bit. He's so vulnerable.

7:50Ronnie Karam: He's like, but it's the first birthday without getting a call from my mom. Kenny, that is disgusting that you are using your mother

7:57Ben Mandelker: right now, sir. That's horrible. Who does that, Kenny? And so she says, Whitney is like i mean of course i wish he was like not as fearful or had reservations about marriage and future because obviously i want that but i see i'm pinpointing these things like trying to work to them and that's why i really believe in him in our relationship the translation is i'm going to

8:16Ronnie Karam: fix it no whitney oh my god so she's like wow that really put it in perspective you know like it's the same with this drama like we know where we are you know so sure it's a little murky i I never said murky. Sure. You know, but I don't know. This is great. Great conversation. This was great. I love Stanley Tucci. So then we go to Kyle, who's walking the dog. And the dog's trying to run the hell away. Yeah. And is he just sharing custody with the dogs with Amanda? Because we see him with the, he only has one today, right? One dog.

8:53Ben Mandelker: I feel like he doesn't really care about the dogs. I think he's like happy to give them off to Amanda. so Lindsay arrives with Gemma as Amanda's packing and she's like hey this baby is so fucking cute it's a funny baby full of a lot of personality this is like really cute really good baby so Amanda's like well guess what remember I'm gonna like go to that new apartment there's been like a change of plans I'm sorry I'm doing my imitation of Lindsay that was really good of you Amanda thank you so I love the place that we saw together but the change of plans is that it fell through. So basically, I can't afford it.

9:29Ben Mandelker: So in my searches, I found a new building that has an insane outdoor space. And they show this little piece of AstroTurf. And it says, insane outdoor space. God bless. Yeah. It's like this big outdoor space.

9:41Ronnie Karam: It's insane. And she's like, yeah, I had to sign a year-long lease, though. She gives that smile like, Amanda, you were planning this the whole time. Stop being such a wuss. Just leave that man. Yeah, exactly.

9:56Ben Mandelker: Lynn's like, a year long not furnished. She's like, I'm out of here thinking that we're packing clothes to move into a furnished someplace for a month, but we're packing to vacate this apartment. This is a very big change. It's like when Julan closed down. What does this even mean?

10:11Ronnie Karam: So she asked if Amanda's told Kyle, and she's like, I mean, did I get him to weigh in on it? No, but have I talked about it with him? Yes. I think it's very important that I have lots of conversations. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crapins commercial.

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13:27Ben Mandelker: That's butcherbox.com slash crappins. Don't forget to use our link so they know that we sent you. Guys, another big thing happens. Katie arrives. It's Katie. Katie, friend of, friend of katie arrives does katie know the updates so now they have to tell katie everything and katie's like wow so now amanda is like yeah i haven't really thought about it too much i just feel like i mean there's like weird limbo where it's like what am i doing like some of my stuff is packed some of it's not i'm like a lot more packing to do because it's like empty so uh they

14:00Ronnie Karam: talk about how katie's been trying to make babies and lindsey's like um i've been trying not to make babies. Like, I have a friend coming to town this weekend, and we see pictures of Lindsay and singer Dustin Lynch. Woo-hoo. Like, he's an old friend who's maybe supposed to perform at my wedding but didn't. Lindsay, only Lindsay is like, I'm banging the guy who's supposed to perform at the wedding I didn't have.

14:27Ben Mandelker: Yes. Yeah, seriously. So, she's saying historically, when she's been single, she's had a roster, but now she doesn't really have a roster. She just has the milkman. so she's basically going to go for this guy and then Kyle arrives in the middle of this and they all don't know what to do. They all get silent. He's just like around the corner and he just goes to the room. He doesn't even say hi or anything.

14:50Ronnie Karam: But the lady's talking shit about me. Yeah, it's

14:54Ben Mandelker: awkward. So now we go to Williamsburg where Nick is wiping down an Eames chair of some sort and Yvonne's like, Hi babe, how's it going? What are you working on? He's like, well, the usual. I brought up tequila and paninis He's like cool I'm starving So his whole thing is that he Restores

15:13Ronnie Karam: It's funny watching new people on shows Because they actually eat Watching them eat their sandwiches was so uncomfortable I'm like you're not supposed to do that You're on TV

15:25Ronnie Karam: You're just supposed to move your mouth a little bit Like you're in the chorus of Oklahoma You're not supposed to actually eat this fucking thing But yeah like you were going to say He restores furniture Sure, this guy is a rip-off artist. And you know, I love my mid-century modern stuff. So I just did that in my house, and it was crazy, the shit people try to get away with. They'll find shit on the side of the road and, like, shellack it and be like, that is$19 ,000. And we see some chairs that he's selling, Dux dining chairs, or Dux,$12 ,000. Girl, what the hell? I could buy a time machine for that much money and go back to the 50s and get some furniture.

16:03Ronnie Karam: It's just crazy. So they're talking about babies and stuff. And a little bit, we hear about his business, that he does this mid-mod thing and sells it to a lot of stars, billionaires, people who've performed at the Super Bowl, you guys.

16:19Ben Mandelker: Well, it's official. He sold a chair to share. So he didn't say which Super Bowl it was, to be fair. So then he just sold it to one of the trees on Bad Money's performance. It's bad funny.

16:34Ronnie Karam: Jules Aaron's like, when are you going to sell a duck's dining chair to some white people?

16:38Ben Mandelker: It felt political. It felt political. I didn't like it. So she's basically talking about how she is trying to sell cookies on the corner of the street because she's been laid off. And for the past 70 and a half years, I was the vice president marketing of one of the largest hospitality groups in the world. So I go from like people constantly calling me and needing me to like getting laid off. And like, it was like the first time that I could actually just like be off my phone and just be like, wow. And he's like, well, you're still on your phone.

17:07Ronnie Karam: You're still on your phone. Have you noticed nothing really on his face moves? He has this like incredulous look on his face. And he's just like, but you're still on your phone all the time.

17:17Ben Mandelker: They're a very blase couple.

17:19Ronnie Karam: They are. I like her. I like them both. But he seemed, I can't tell if he's mad at me. I don't know. I wouldn't know how to read this guy.

17:27Ben Mandelker: He's cheating, right? I don't know. I kind of get that vibe. Really? you think is cheating?

17:32Ronnie Karam: I kind of get the vibe

17:33Ben Mandelker: in a weird way. Well, I guess we'll find out.

17:36Ronnie Karam: They're pregnant, though. I saw on the internet.

17:39Ben Mandelker: So I didn't know that she was pregnant, but I saw in one of her interview looks later, I was like, she's pregnant because her boobs were bigger all of a sudden. She was a little bit more filled out in a way that looked like her pregnancy.

17:49Ronnie Karam: Yeah, she's pregnant. There's posts of her, he's rubbing her belly from behind. And we all know that a guy on this show wouldn't cheat on a pregnant lady. Oh, sorry, Georgina's guy. The men on this show are pigs. No, I feel bad. On these shows, I guess.

18:01Ben Mandelker: I will be on first.

18:03Ronnie Karam: He's somewhere like sitting on a really expensive used Eames chair like, excuse me, how do you set up?

18:09Ben Mandelker: I do love the boldness of someone coming on to Bravo whose main thing in life is restoring things because nothing ever gets restored on this network. It just always decline. Everything is decline on Bravo.

18:22Ronnie Karam: This is the show of restoration. The faces get a restoration every season. That's the whole point of Bravo. Yeah, but it's never quite. Kyle Richards gets two restorations a year. I don't even know how she does it. I'm like, how does her face heal that quickly?

18:37Ben Mandelker: Yeah, but no one can ever recapture it, ever. Anyway, now we go back to Lindsay's apartment. She's that depressing. Well, listen. You scheduled a neck lift.

18:47Ronnie Karam: That's the wrong... We're not having this conversation right now.

18:50Ben Mandelker: That's not restoration. That's corrective. Okay. So then we go to Lindsay's apartment, and Andrea and Lexi are there, and Lindsay's offering them some rosé and stuff. and she's like, well, they always say that men should not join for three months while they're trying to conceive, because now Andrea really wants to have a baby. That's not true.

19:10Ronnie Karam: I mean, how many men have gotten people pregnant while they're wasted? I mean, that's, hello? Stop disrupting the order of the bowling alley. That's how I was born.

19:19Ben Mandelker: My DNA has Franzia in it. So, Gemma's crying. They go check on Gemma and everything, and basically, basically, Andrea and Lexi are excited to have a baby. Lindsay's excited to have more friends with babies. And then we go back to Nick and Yvonne where Nick is like, baby, no. Oh, gross. No. Get it away from me.

19:38Ronnie Karam: She's like, I want a baby though. He's like, you've wanted a baby since our second date. She's like, no, you mean that we wanted to have a baby. And he's like, uh, I'm still not moving my face, but I'm horrified.

19:50Ben Mandelker: You know, I I know you're, you know, you said, I know your maternal clock is ticking. And I went into getting married with the intention of the idea that we'd be building a family. He's like, I just worry about time, you know, because I know we will be great parents. Like, yeah, well, guess what? Time is here. Okay, I feel like you're trying to delay for the sake of it, and like, I think our plans are right, and like, we're supposed to have a baby together.

20:11Ronnie Karam: Yeah. He's like, she's like, you're moving the goalposts. So, uh-oh, guy nervous to have a baby. So now let's go to Danielle's apartment.

20:21Ben Mandelker: Future baby, baby haver, baby brewer,

20:25Ronnie Karam: I should say. We get we get two scenes of people talking about babies. Cut to Danielle going, these flowers are dead.

20:35Ben Mandelker: So, then Owen comes in and she's like, by the way, I just went shopping and I'm going to let you put these in the fridge because I know you like organizing the refrigerator. He's like, oh, yes, my favorite thing to do, organizing a refrigerator. So, he's like a bit of a neat freak, it turns out. He will make the bed while she's still in it and he's like, well, that's me kind of saying, you should probably be up. Yeah.

20:58Ronnie Karam: So she's like, well, I didn't get to download you on what happened, but I had a coffee date with Lindsay. So we see a flashback to that.

21:04Ben Mandelker: You didn't get to download me. Oh, isn't that what your app says to everyone out there in the world?

21:11Ronnie Karam: Just like my app, I give that conversation one star. So she talks about the meeting with Lindsay and Lindsay was pretty receptive and she thinks it's okay because Lindsay invited her to brunch. so that's good

21:27Ben Mandelker: yeah it's always a good sign she didn't throw anything at her she's like well I think she used the word baby steps so I was just like okay baby steps I want a baby me too so then Danielle's like I mean also by the way I'm really mad at Amanda because I feel like Amanda was really instrumental in being mean to me etc and then there's this whole thing where she's now annoyed at Amanda and Kyle because she feels like they're piling onto her situation with Lindsay and everything. And she's like, Amanda's not going to get a ton of I'm sorry for me at the moment. Just the way she goes about things, she just really grinds my gears.

22:04Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I really grinds my gears. And I like that she was like, Amanda and I have always hated each other. I don't like Amanda.

22:14Ben Mandelker: Why would I apologize to Amanda? Yeah, so basically the gossip got out that Danielle was with Owen and the gossip was sort of like, oh, Danielle's with a married man. And then there was a screenshot of this that circulated into a group text with Kyle and Amanda and they were laughing. And she found out because of Katie's husband, Matt. And so now Danielle was really unhappy with them. Yeah, well, Ian's

22:40Ronnie Karam: like, well, what, are there like 10 people at the brunch or something? I'm assuming that probably wasn't the best little scenario to discuss and she's like yeah well I started dating Owen four months after he was separated from his ex and then an article came out spreading rumors that I'm a home wrecker

22:57Ben Mandelker: yeah so she's like to hear all these things that are said behind my back while I'm possibly on the LIRR it's just very frustrating but you know what have the balls to tell me to my face as well because we have enough shit going on there's a refrigerator that needs to be organized so and Amanda has enough shit going on and so and kyle too so say it to my face everyone that is pretty quick four months i could see how

23:23Ronnie Karam: the if you just get divorced someone would be like how dare you you're already dating somebody i think four months is actually just totally fine believe it or not i do think it's fine i can just see how the ex would be like what the fuck so um i think it's probably happy like get

23:40Ben Mandelker: him out of my face he's occupied give him a new play thing i mean but i'm just like that i can

23:45Ronnie Karam: see somebody online that I've dated years ago who's like, oh my God, look, I'm happily with somebody now. I'm like, oh, really? I gave you my 16th year.

23:58Ben Mandelker: How dare you? I learned to drive that year. Well, yeah, the little ex would probably be annoyed, but I don't know. I have no... I don't know. I really don't have an opinion on this either way. I think whatever works, works. Just saying it's quick.

24:12Ronnie Karam: I'm not saying Daniel's a cheater. Just saying. Seems a little quick. And Owen, I think, is a cheater because Owen wears an ascot. So no matter what I put, you know, what I would think Danielle would or wouldn't do, I think Owen would do it.

24:26Ben Mandelker: I do think getting into a super serious relationship that quickly might be a little dangerous, but whatever. So speaking of dating, after a breakup, it's time for Lindsay. And she is now on a date with Dustin, our country singer. Dustin Lynch. Does he have any sort of repute? I will look this up right now. Dustin Lynch.

24:46Ronnie Karam: I don't know. He's sure a smiley guy, though. He's like, have you met my mom? Meryl? God. So, he's like, wow, what about this video? He's like, this is so cool. Am I different in New York than I am in Nashville? Because Nashville is where she has her Airbnb thing that she bought, like her girl bachelorette party house type thing.

25:10Ben Mandelker: He has 1.2 million followers. That's a lot of people. That's a lot of people. a lot of people. Look at all those people.

25:16Ronnie Karam: I don't understand. Oh, you know what?

25:18Ben Mandelker: This guy, I remember this guy. You do? Yeah, he busted out on the scene like 12 years ago. I don't remember his music, but he busted out, I think, on the scene because when he arrived, he was super hot. I mean, he's hot still, but he was exceptionally this young and hot country star. I seem to remember.

25:35Ronnie Karam: Well, there you go. So, she's like, am I different than Nashville? He's like, I don't know. I've not hung out with you in New York until just now, so I guess we'll see. We'll see how the knot goes. And it's like, um, that was hilarious. Oh, my God.

25:50Ben Mandelker: He was supposed to perform at my wedding to Kyle, but, like, footage not found. Am I right, guys? So, like, I never met him until he was. That was funny.

25:58Ronnie Karam: When she's like, he was supposed to perform at my wedding to Kyle, and they just cut to a screen, and it's like footage not found.

26:06Ben Mandelker: Oh, boy. So, she's like, you know, I went to his concert, and I met him at his hill, and then a month later, we went on it. so uh yeah she's saying like uh like trapping you for a night is like really so hard he's like look he's talking that's a reference to you having a baby but yeah you're right i go out for a living

26:24Ronnie Karam: you know what i mean uh a lot loud noises and partying that's not what i want to do when i'm home um loud noises you're with lindsey what do you think it's going to be like at home you think it's going to be a nice quiet evening hi meet lindsey hubbard yeah you're never going to have another quiet night in your life,

26:41Ben Mandelker: sir. Okay. So they just flirt and flirt and flirt. And then now we go to Kyle and Amanda walk and they go to I think they're in the financial district. And I say this because I once went to this place that they sat at with Taylor Strecker, our friend Taylor Strecker. And I was like, oh, Taylor. So they sit down and they're going on one of their little dates because we're going to date each other again. They're in five-eye. Yeah, they're in five-eye. We're going to How do you say that? Five-eye? I think it's Fideye Fideye Fideye Okay Our producer Fideye Our producer confirms

27:14Ronnie Karam: I've never heard it called that

27:15Ben Mandelker: Fideye I've never heard it called the Wall Street Oh Like Wall Street Our producer's giving you eyes like No it's called that I don't know Back in the day We didn't have a Fideye Fideye

27:25Ronnie Karam: Fideye I just said downtown Ugh

27:28Ben Mandelker: So we talked about it Back in the day Like no one goes down there I wish it was called Fideye It's just a little bit more elegant I live in Fideye

27:40Ronnie Karam: so Feinstein Diane so we go to Fidei and let's see who are we with there

27:46Ben Mandelker: oh Amanda and Kyle attempting to reinvigorate their relationship

27:52Ronnie Karam: I wanted somewhere that was furnished month to month but it's just so hard finding a sublet in New York who are you kidding Amanda it's like the city of sublets it's like whoops I could only find a year long lease the lies

28:09Ben Mandelker: yeah so she's like she starts talking about what's the deal with our apartment situation he's like do I get a key and she's like no you don't get a key even though I get a key of your place you just tell the front desk and then you just come up so you don't even need a key he's like but you keep your key she's like yeah well I mean I'll call you on your way over he's like I just don't want to be like jerking off in the bathroom when you come over She's like, Kyle

28:39Ronnie Karam: So she's overwhelmed and stuck So she can't be stuck in this cycle And he's like, okay And she's like, let's talk about the apartment And how it's going to actually work So she starts laying down the rules Like the key thing And she's like, I mean, I'll call you before I come over He's like, this is in charter territory Yeah, but just don't jerk into the bathroom, Kyle Alright, just, you know Don't speak to me like we're making you know speak to me like we're making decisions together not that you've already made up your mind she's like I've already made up my mind Kyle Kyle what part of this are you not getting yeah she's leaving she got an apartment she didn't tell you it was going to be a year long lease she did it anyway she didn't ask you and now she's not giving you what are you not getting you don't get a say

29:21Ben Mandelker: in this Kyle and then he then she's like oh and by the way you're not single he's like I know and she's like and I'm not single and she like raises her hands but she says that he's like you don't have your wedding band on I've got my wedding band where's yours she says well I don't have any jewelry on okay like the fact that she keeps on saying like oh it's just gonna be like a month but I signed a year long lease you're not single but we're still together but I'm not wearing my wedding band it's like oh man the lies the lies are telling yourself at the very least yeah here comes one right now summer always changes how I'd get dressed I want pieces that feel lighter and more breathable, things that are easy but still pull together.

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32:09Ronnie Karam: this is crazy watching right after this summer house reunion it really is whiplash and he's like well can I ask you a question do you feel like you're in love with me it's like yeah that's why I'm doing that are you still in love with me and he's like well i mean we both want to but are you in love with me kyle he's like uh of course he starts cracking up he's like uh yeah i love you she's like oh

32:32Ben Mandelker: you're stop lying you're the worst liar no i love you yeah i really she's like because i'm a fucking cat she's like he's like yeah yeah you're yeah oh yeah you're a catch so yeah that's pretty ghoul.

32:43Ronnie Karam: I want you to treat me like a cat.

32:49Ben Mandelker: So now we go over to Hotel Hugo where Lindsay and Dustin Lynch are there and the whole gang starts to show up. And so they're all meeting Dustin and everything and Georgina is there. Georgina's like, whoa! And everyone's saying hello and so they're checking on Georgina, how she's been, etc. and does she have a band-aid on her face? She's like, I gave myself too much. That's so dangerous

33:18Ronnie Karam: to be giving yourself the boat. To be in charge of the Botox skis is scary. She's like, yeah, I was like, I don't want to refresh you guys. I look like I'm... What's her face's husband? I look like Dustin. No, what's Yvonne's husband? What's his name? I still don't know people's names on this show. No, Dustin's the new country singer guy. So Andrea sees Dustin and he's like, Oh, good looking guy. Just a friend. I mean, I don't want to put you right in the spot. It's a very murky place to be.

33:48Ben Mandelker: So Yvonne's like, so, Dustin, are you guys having fun together? And he's like, oh, my God, so fun. So much fun. Like when there's a window, I'm not touring. I'm going to come back because I'm a nerd. I'm a science nerd, except for evolution. But you know what? I want to go see like all the super cool museums. And Yvonne's like, yeah, Lindsay's really into science, too. She'll take you to all the museums. Phrases I never thought I would hear. Lindsay is really into science and she'll take you to all the museums

34:16Ronnie Karam: She's like you guys are so cute Are you guys together? Are you having fun together? Are you getting married? Well you know I'm just touring all the time So she's like yeah Lindsay doesn't like science but I had to just kind of You know you do that for your girlfriend sometimes That's not very helpful You know lying about somebody liking science because now he's going to start buying her dinosaurs and shit

34:37Ben Mandelker: So then Kenny shows up without Whitney. That's my only grasp on science. Dinosaurs. Dinosaurs. So Kenny shows up without Kenny and Gavin show up, but there's no Whitney. And they're like, well, where is she? And so Kenny is like, oh, yeah, she had an event. She couldn't make it tonight. And it turns out she's actually at her apartment shooting content. And she's like, hey, guys, it's been like really hard finding gluten-free bread. But I found some and I put in the toaster and look, it comes out looking like this. It's just like a lightly toasted piece of bread with butter on it.

35:13Ronnie Karam: Revolutionizing food media. I mean, it's just so Whitney. It's like, here, cut to Whitney. This is toast. The dog's licking its nuts.

35:25Ben Mandelker: Like, yep, pretty much, that's it. I found this revolutionary new cooking technique. It's called toasting things. You put bread in a toaster, it comes out a little browner. It's amazing. You should all try it.

35:34Ronnie Karam: Guys, this is gluten-free toast. you're gonna feel a spark for it

35:41Ben Mandelker: it's a little bit murky so everyone's saying hi to Kenny and everything and he's talking about how he met he met what's her face Whitney on Raya and they're sort of talking about their love story etc and of course this then starts to move into the big controversy of the week

36:05Ronnie Karam: yeah Yeah. So Kenny is trying to solidify. It's like, yeah, I mean, our one year first date was this past week. So we've basically been together for a year. Gavin's like, OK, now we're getting somewhere. Now we're getting somewhere. And Georgina's like, yeah, well, that also correlates with her move, your birthday. So that's a happy time for you guys, right? A year. And he's like, oh, yeah, but, you know, people are all talking shit, you know, but it correlates. And a dinner was really great last because the girls are hinting like, how was dinner? You know, because they all know what's going on.

36:36Ronnie Karam: And he's like, oh, it's great. It ended up on a good note. But, you know, she's coming in a little hot in the beginning with some kind of random noise came up. You know, she's being fed a little bullshit. You know, I mean, the level of drama and nonsense is just baffling. It's baffling, especially for someone new that's moving here. It's like, what are we doing, guys? What are we doing?

36:54Ben Mandelker: So Lexi's like, well, I would love to talk to you about it. Lexi, I am actually really enjoying because she is very self-possessed. And she seems to have actually.

37:03Ronnie Karam: She's not afraid of him because he's clearly talking to her. And he's like, someone's in her ear.

37:08Ben Mandelker: And she's like very self-possessed. She has no problem being direct and also standing up for her man.

37:14Ronnie Karam: I loved her. Unlike this guy who's like trying to hint around. And she's like, I'll talk to you about it. And Gavin's like, oh, wait, so you know about it? Because Gavin's not caught up on all this yet. So she's like, yeah, we went to Washington Square Park, Georgina, Whitney and I, and brought some stuff up I'm hearing. And something about, you know, I thought being her friend, I should let her know. and Gavin's like oh my god did you know

37:37Ben Mandelker: she's behind this and Gavin's loving it I love messy Gavin he's so messy and so Kenny's like look I'm not trying to shoot the messenger she's going to be getting something to Whitney that I think is understandable but the real issue is two or three guys run their mouths about my relationship and then Georgina's like yeah and I guess I guess Lexi was like Kenny said that maybe the future is murky with Whitney and she didn't get Gavin's like wait who said the murky comment wait what about murky murky murky murky's a bad

38:03Ronnie Karam: word. Murky. You know, like, Lexi said it, and Lexi's like, but I heard it from Andrea. And Gavin's like, oh, now we get down to it. He's like cheering in the corner.

38:13Ben Mandelker: And then Kenny is like, oh, well, you know what? He needs to talk to me man to man instead of being gossipy and gossiping. And she's like, he's not gossiping. He's my husband and he tells me everything and I tell him everything. He's like, it's gossiping.

38:25Ronnie Karam: Well, like you're doing, why don't you just go up to Andrea instead of talking to his wife?

38:30Ben Mandelker: Literally every episode is you like complaining to Whitney about Lindsay.

38:34Ronnie Karam: Yes. So now Andrea comes up and Kenny's like, okay, at what point did I say my future with Whitney was murky? Did that word come out of my mouth? And he's like, oh, no. And Gavin was like, wow, wow. Murky denied.

38:51Ben Mandelker: This is a game of telephone. I can't believe it. And Andrea's like, well, you know, I don't know what you guys are, but I brought up to me that you were complaining about lack of spark. And so murky, I used the word. I said that was like murky because like the future's in murky to you listen all i know is i had a birthday

39:07Ronnie Karam: dinner and my girlfriend was upset because of the word murky because i said our future is murky and that is bullshit i never said murky he's like murky it's my uh it's my perception of what kind

39:18Ben Mandelker: of sense yeah it's murky you've been talked about it you're not ready to commit right now that is murky he's like well she just moved in yesterday i'm not ready to get married today okay when you and i are on the same page and we've had this conversation i haven't told you or kyle or anybody in this place anything that I have not told Whitney. Although I did tell Whitney about how to use the toaster and she's very excited about it. The only time it becomes an issue is when people cherry pick certain buzzwords out of a conversation and then go start running their fucking mouth about it.

39:43Ronnie Karam: Oh, God. So, Andrea's like, oh, but, okay, wrong usage in the situation. I said it wrong. I apologize for that. But what it really what's caught me off guard, you're doubting the spark that you had with Whitney, which is murky.

39:59Ben Mandelker: Right? He's like, what? What was murky that I told you? What did I say that was murky? He's like, well, murky was the whole situation, like not being there. He's like, but what about murky? That's not murky, murky, murky, murky.

40:08Ronnie Karam: And he goes, well, Kyle said that you had told him that there wasn't a spark. So that's what we're talking about. Yes, spark. He brought up spark.

40:16Ben Mandelker: That caught me off guard in a murky way. Is it possible that he was talking about Angela Merkel? He's like, yes. My murky word was, it was a consequence of what Kyle said about the spark. And, you know, and then Kenny's like, but did he say the same thing? Andrea's just trying to say, I was just trying to summarize what Kyle said, so I said murky. Oh my god.

40:37Ronnie Karam: And Kenny just keeps trying to turn it to, no, I never said the word murky.

40:40Ben Mandelker: How dare you say the word murky? And Lindsay, by the way, must really like this guy, this country singer, because she does not get up from the sofa. She's like, wow, they're getting feisty in there. And she does not feel the need to step in and be like, what's going on in here? I know. She's like,

40:53Ronnie Karam: I've never seen Andrea like this, but she just stays and watches, which is crazy. So Andrea is like, you're not understanding. He's like, oh no, this is important. You guys don't understand. And he's like, no, you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. He's like, how dare you? And Andrea's like, I can't take it. He's like, why are you running your mouth? I'm not running my mouth.

41:14Ben Mandelker: So Andrea's like losing his mind because they're kind of like not, they're just not listening to him what he's saying. He's like, this was my interpretation of it, that it seemed murky or whatever. So he just finally storms off. And Kenya's like, well, what the fuck is he talking? about why don't you listen to him instead of keep on saying why'd you say murky why'd you say murky

41:30Ronnie Karam: andrea says i was talking to my not to my wife and kenny goes that's the definition of running your mouth and you need to own

41:37Ben Mandelker: it no it's the definition of having a partner that you love yes what a loser so he just goes he goes off so then um we go to uh now like the ladies go and they start playing um like what that sporting place the they're playing lawn pong whatever they're throwing this big like pong game and they're talking. This is the next day and they're taking pictures of Georgina on the ground with all the balls and they're like, we're going to put it on Raya etc.

42:07Ronnie Karam: She's like, they're taking pictures of me like one of those dead people and they make an outline of

42:13Ben Mandelker: So they're asking Lindsay like, what's going on with Dustin? And she's like, well, we're just like friends we're like friends who like make out at the end of the night

42:21Ronnie Karam: So she still hasn't gotten laid because they did not do it last night. And she's like, oh my God. They're like, oh my God, you're like the man in the movie. And Georgina's like, oh my God, you guys, I'm sorry I'm not reacting, but I put my own Botox in. I can't move my face. So Lindsay's talking about how she wants to keep dating, but she can't get laid to save her life. And Yvonne's like, she deserves her fairy tale.

42:51Ben Mandelker: Is she the princess in the fairy tale? Or is she Maleficent?

42:57Ronnie Karam: She's like, I'm a princess. Now solve this riddle or you're going to die.

43:01Ben Mandelker: So then we go over to the West Village. We're at Gavin's bar. It's called Bandits. And Kenny and Whitney are there. And they're going to have a post-game report over everything that happened. And so the scene is great.

43:14Ronnie Karam: So Whitney and Kenny think they're going to sit down with messy Gavin. And it's just going to be like bitching about how everybody's so mean to poor Kenny after what Kenny's been through. And can't Gavin understand how hard it is being in this relationship when everybody is against you.

43:30Ben Mandelker: Oh, so good. Whitney's asking what happened. And she's like, what's going on? And Kenny's like, well... She's like, I was making toast. Have you ever seen Bread Turned Brown? It actually can happen. It was really hard. Big night for me. Big night of shooting. Kenny's like, well, Andrea and Lexi, I actually like them. So I'm hoping that there's a way to figure this out and get the bottom of it. But Andrea, whatever we talked about was manipulated into like you know now like oh my god kenny thinks the future's murky he's been totally manipulated and gavin's like your future is uncertain

44:02Ronnie Karam: as everyone's is they wouldn't listen to that though is that what you're saying they wouldn't listen he's like no kenny said the future's uh i never said the future's murky and i guess kyle started that and i still haven't had a chance to talk to kyle and gavin's like kyle's in the wind. Just in the wind. Is that what I'm getting here?

44:19Ben Mandelker: Whitney's like, wait, Kyle wasn't there? Was he making toast also? And Kenny's like, no, Kyle was not there. And Gavin's like, well, Murky and Spark, I don't know where this shit all came from anyway. And Kenny's like, well, I mean, I said the spark comment because obviously, I mean, look at this one. This is not chemistry. But seriously, oh, she didn't hear that. Don't worry. But Gavin goes, wait, you did say the spark

44:38Ronnie Karam: comment? And Whitney's like, well, but like, he didn't say it in the way that you said he did. He meant like spark as in like, there's no spark. Not like there's no spark. I mean, it was like completely different. And Gavin goes, oh, yeah, I didn't know that you actually said the spark comment. So that actually changed. Yeah, but it was out of context. It wasn't about us not having a spark. It was about us not having a spark.

45:01Ben Mandelker: Kenny's like, I just feel a little numb to marriage. I'm being with someone forever and I'm just like a little jaded on that. I'm wounded is what I'm trying to say. I need to be fixed. It's a me thing. I've got things to work on. And Gavin's like, I think we got to get deeper. I think it's more than that. Because like the spark comment, now that I know that you said it, I think you just want more passion from her and you just want something from Whitney. I mean, look at her. She's still thinking about toast and how it happens. Whitney can't even make toast fun.

45:25Ronnie Karam: I have TikTok. You're saying, light a fire under that ass, Whitney. Give me something. Whitney, are you there? I think what you really want to do is take a little tiny mirror and put it under Whitney's nose and see if there's breath coming out. Is that right?

45:38Ben Mandelker: He's like, by the way, Whitney, this is Donna to get you. She's like, what's happening? It's like, what the hell?

45:43Ronnie Karam: this was cracking me up and Kenny's like no I mean it's just that you know well Gavin tells us I'm the Kenny relationship expert I've seen all his relationships so saying there's no spark that means he's insecure about his relationship and Kenny's like no our relationship's been non-stop like it's excitement it's travel he goes sounds perfect but guess what just perfect it's kind of boring right Kenny am I right?

46:10Ben Mandelker: Whitney's like well maybe it's boring to you because you're used to such a crazy kind of like toxic environment. Kevin's like, yeah, yep, yep. You're right. I mean, I know this. I know I sound like I'm jabbing you, but like, I like, by the way, I like that from you, Whit. I like that. You're getting, okay. Now you're coming to life a little bit.

46:27Ronnie Karam: Whit is with us. I feel like if I threw keys at you, you might actually try to catch them, Whitney. Wow. That is amazing.

46:33Ben Mandelker: It's almost like you've been put into some sort of DeLonghi product and come out a little browner.

46:37Ronnie Karam: It's amazing. If I had a little tiny hammer and knocked you right on your knee, your leg might even

46:40Ben Mandelker: pop up. I might want to spread some jelly on you. You've been toasted. So, Kenny's like, this is not constructive. And so then Gavin's like, oh, like, you feel like I'm, like, listen, I know you feel like I'm coming at you, Kenny. I'm just like, these are just questions I would ask you even if Whitney weren't there. I'm just like curious.

46:58Ronnie Karam: He's like, I'm sick of this. I can't take this anymore. I am attacked by everyone. How dare you?

47:04Ben Mandelker: You're my best friend. You should know better than this. I got to walk away.

47:08Ronnie Karam: And he walks out and leaves Whitney there. and Whitney is just like, duh. She's like, thanks a lot, Gavin. And Gavin's like, oh, Whitney. And then he just grabs her head and kisses her. I don't like this Richard Lawson

47:20Ben Mandelker: kissing he's doing.

47:21Ronnie Karam: He's like, oh, Whitney, you're just so pretty. And then that's it.

47:27Ben Mandelker: Poor Whitney. Oh my gosh. Oh God, bless her heart. Can't wait to see how our choice journey goes. But for now, we are done. Thank you everyone for being here and we will see more miserable people tomorrow with The Valley. Bye everyone

48:09Ronnie Karam: With Dylan Clark. Big yay, it's Emily Gauthier.

48:13Ben Mandelker: Erin McNicholas, she don't miss no trick-a-less. Hava Nagila Weber. You'll never hide from Heidi Eleanor Jones.

48:20Ronnie Karam: It's no BS, we love Hugo ES. Jamie, she has no last name-y. Sips some scotch with Jessica Trotch.

48:28Ben Mandelker: She's our favorite streamer, Caroline Peacock.

48:31Ronnie Karam: Kristen the Piston Anderson. Que sera, sera, whatever we'll be, we'll Lauren Sillsby. She gets an A from us, it's Lindsay D. Let's give a kisserino to Lisa Lino. Fresh as a daisy, it's Maisie McHenry. Come again? We're obsessed with Margaret O 'Halloran. Megan Berg. You can't have a burger without the Berg. Gather round for the lore of Michelle Moore.

48:54Ben Mandelker: This is Livin' with Michelle Vivian.

48:57Ronnie Karam: I love-a-ya, Olivia Williamson.

48:59Ben Mandelker: She sure is swell. It's Raquel.

49:02Ronnie Karam: Yes, we canna. It's Sadana.

49:04Ben Mandelker: Cast a spell with Shannon Spellman. Let's share with Sharon Eldridge. Darn skippy. It's Tippi.

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49:15Ben Mandelker: Somebody get us 10 cc's of Betsy MD.

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49:34Ben Mandelker: Who, what, why, where, and Gwen Pentland. Nobody holds a candle to Jamie Kendall. We got our wish. It's Jen Plish. Have a kebab with K-Rob. My favorite Murdo, Karen McMurdo. Let's get savage with Laura Wildman. In the study with a candlestick, it's Leslie Peacock. We're ride or die for Lisa Ryder Barron. She's a whiz. It's Liz Sarthy. Always killing it. It's Lola Alkalani. Roger that. It's Marlis Rogers.

50:01Ronnie Karam: The incredible edible Matthews sisters. She eases our woes. It's Melissa St. Rose. She's the lady of the house. It's Rachel Sherouse. There's a chance of meatballs. It's Rebecca Cloud. She's our princess. It's Rebecca Prince.

50:14Ben Mandelker: She's the queen bee. It's Sarah Lemke. We cannot tell a lie. It's Sarah Tell of Sun. Shannon, out of a cannon, Anthony. Please don't stop. It's Soli and Pop. Let's take off with Tam LaPlane. Strike a pose. It's Tori Rose.

50:29Ronnie Karam: She ain't no shrinking Violet Kuchar. We love you guys.

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