#3407 Southern Hospitality S4E15: Time To Close The Tab

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1:26Ben Mandelker: watch what happens hello and welcome to watch what's crap ends a podcast about all that crap on bravo that we just love to watch i'm ben mandelker and joining me today is the floral and beautifully colored ronnie carom hi ronnie how's it going i'm wearing a very subtle shirt today hi how are you it looks lovely my question to you is how loud were your neighbors last night when the Knicks came back from behind and won game four of the finals last night. Oh, they did? Yeah, it was crazy.

2:04Ronnie Karam: I mean, that's, I guess, great for all of you who celebrate. Good for you. I don't know about the neighbors because I took an Ambien.

2:12Ben Mandelker: Oh, so you didn't hear that? Wow. I thought, like, for sure, because last time you were like, the neighbors were so loud. Every time there was a score, you hear everything. So I was like, oh, well, Ronnie must have been, like, it must have been just chaotic for you in the city.

2:24Ronnie Karam: I was out. I was in bed at 10 p.m. I did. We did four shows. Yeah, I did four shows yesterday. Yeah, girl.

2:31Ben Mandelker: Yeah, it was a lot. And you did a long one, too, which is crazy.

2:35Ronnie Karam: Yeah, that's Andy's Girls with Sarah Gailey. Lovely, lovely woman. Funny, compassionate, funny. I love the people who can mix like compassion with humor. Like you're really good at that. I'm not really good at that. I'm just evil.

2:50Ben Mandelker: I don't know if I have that much compassion. I don't have compassion today. I'll tell you that much. I woke up today. i'm like i'm done i'm like the passion is done you would think i'd be like oh my god the next one last i'd be full of joy but for somehow i think it's because i haven't had coffee and oh that's not like you i didn't have time well you know i'm back up at my parents house and i don't um salad for your coffee chicken salad i had a bagel i just didn't have time to like in the car and go to duncan because that's the closest coffee to me and um it's just the way it is this this morning but i think it's actually be good i think i need this energy to go into this southern hospitality re the finale the last episode of the reunion which is what we're talking about i know i

3:32Ronnie Karam: just wanted to say it's our second week in new york it's the end of our second week and i have had so much fun here i haven't been here this long since i actually lived here and it has been so great being in the city but i'm definitely hitting that point where i'm like oh my god why'd you bump me the street i have been i mean with your bag you know like i'm hitting that point i'm fully

3:54Ben Mandelker: shoving people when i was there i mean like so i was i was there full time last week and i've been down there like like on and off this week i am fully shoving people if someone is standing if someone stops moving at the bottom of a staircase at the subway i am pushing through them and they get shoved if someone's like if someone walks onto the subway and as soon as they get on the car they just stop moving right there in the door i just shove them and i see them their heads turn like what the hell but i'm like i'm sorry i'm a gay podcaster it's pride month get out of the way

4:22Ronnie Karam: that's pride month um it's also straight men's health uh mental health awareness month so oh yeah that's all those guys um but yeah i uh my roommate brandy who you know my roommate from here uh for years we were roommates and we would be walking on the street and people would do that like stop right in front of her and she'd just go move yeah and her voice is in my head all the time I haven't gotten to that point yet. I'm still walking around like, hi, thank you. Nice to see you. How are you today? Lovely weather. I'm still walking around like a total hick. But yeah, I'm getting to the point where I'm like, oh my god, another stairway?

5:00Ronnie Karam: Is this a joke?

5:02Ben Mandelker: Is it a joke? I do love a terse and cold excuse me because technically I'm being polite. But yeah, I don't know why. I feel like I should be in a great mood. we're at the end of the week we've had we've had mood yeah i'm in a really good mood i guess i'll be in a good mood in a few months i guess i'm not in a bad mood i'm just i think i'm very like dry right now and i think that um we have had a very grueling two weeks uh but like it really has not stopped and i think that i think it's like knowing that the end is just on the other side of these two recaps today but in order to get to the glory land we have to like discuss emmy's microaggressions and then after that we have to like go to the valley it's a hard like final boss it is it's a

5:50Ronnie Karam: rough end of the week on bravo they're really it's like the audience i think in general it's like i

5:55Ben Mandelker: feel like we crested yesterday we had summer house the next one it's like what else do we need to do mariska hargitay was dancing on the court you know like let's let's live in that energy but it's like wait hold on everyone let's hear what lake has to say about a guy that mia may have slept with at some point somewhere or another and i'm just like it's um you have to sort of like summon a deeper energy but thankfully you're here and whenever i'm in whenever i'm in this mode by the end of the hour you always get me where i need to be so ronnie thank you for being my sherpa well yeah

6:26Ronnie Karam: the spiritual journey life together with someone you can laugh with you know i mean i i was writing the newsletter which is just basically a big long like a tv recap of all the shows we recap recap. I'm really enjoying making jokes in print. It's been so long since I've been a blogger, so I'm loving it. But it's like fun and game all the way until the end because it ends with the valley. And I'm just like, fuck these people. So it ends pretty fun. I mean, it starts out pretty fun and then it just gets to the valley and I'm like, fuck all these people. Fuck all of you people. I can't take anymore.

7:04Ronnie Karam: I'm looking at them like another staircase. I'm like, again, I have to go up this staircase again.

7:10Ben Mandelker: Seriously. But I don't want to diverge too much because an anonymous person on Twitter said that I am causing too many diversions and arguing with you too much.

7:23Ronnie Karam: Oh, this is a bravo is a diversion. We're a diversion from diversion. If you're listening to that, you watch bravo. That's a diversion. Then you're listening to this, which is another diversion. Let me just give you a hint. You're already diverted. Okay. Just enjoy being diverted. It's better than living in the real world. That's what I say.

7:43Ben Mandelker: Well, but for real today, do, by the way, do read Ronnie's newsletter. It's on Patreon, patreon.com slash watch for crap.

7:51Ronnie Karam: I'm just like, it's all negative. I just sit on the whole thing. Okay, go read it. It's going to be great. Free sign up.

7:56Ben Mandelker: That's what people tune in for. You know, that's what people like. So go check that out. And yeah, do that. and by the way thank you to our wonderful partners at a cast for hosting us basically in their studio for the past two weeks like they've been so wonderful and helpful they've had a team of producers and it's been lovely we've been seen we've seen some of our podcast friends in the hallway outside like we ran into ira he's got a new podcast coming out ira madison feedback uh we ran into gibson johns we love all the people so it's been a fun time um and uh shout out to uh mariska hargitay also she just seriously yeah actually my hotel is right next to that

8:35Ronnie Karam: theater so i pass mariska hargitay every day her face yeah oh um i do have a correct way i believe it or not it's mariska hargitay feeling joy i do have a mariska hargitay update by the way uh and

8:50Ben Mandelker: a correction last week i for some reason i guess we're talking about a lot about mariska hargitay lately as we should as is our right um but i did say that the nursery in west hollywood was her dad's her dad has apparently passed away it was this is owned by her brother so for all the hargitay heads out there and i'm looking at you neil my friend neil uh yeah apparently yeah her

9:15Ronnie Karam: dad's like a famous actor right or right yeah i think so so and then her mom is who's from you You know, we're just going to get in trouble because that person on Twitter, that person on Twitter is going to get mad.

9:28Ben Mandelker: Who is her mother?

9:28Ronnie Karam: Someone very famous. So anyway, great job with the less diversion thing. Good job so far.

9:38Ben Mandelker: By the way, if someone gets mad about a Mariska Hargitay diversion, you don't know what life is. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm telling you that right now.

9:44Ronnie Karam: Okay. Southern Hospitality Season 4, Episode 15, Reunion Part 2. Wow. Yeah, so they're still going. You know, this may be the... I've always fought for like a 12-episode season on Bravo for most shows. I really believe in that. I'm going to start fighting for a six-episode season because I feel like Southern Hospitality is still good. I really like Southern Hospitality. They had a really strong first three episodes, a really strong final episode, and a pretty good reunion episode. So what's that, five? That's pretty good.

10:21Ben Mandelker: yeah i think i think this was like a solid season i agree it sort of like began opened with a bang it was it was a good season it kind of there was no episode that i thought was really a bad episode but it did feel like it maybe went on one or two episodes too long and i was a little sad because i was so excited that the kids finally got their first proper reunion and with that being said um this reunion episode did not do a lot for me i'm not gonna lie i was like yeah we really could have just done a one episode reunion for for southern hospitality i think one part would have done it

10:55Ronnie Karam: because i enjoyed i enjoyed the reunion for the most part but yeah one episode i think it could

11:00Ben Mandelker: have been supersized and it could have ended with this emmy segment and then everything after it just felt uninteresting and unnecessary like we were drilling down about justin and charlie don't care we were drilling down about mia and like like it was all like why are we watching this fighting about stuff that wasn't in the show like it's just and it's like it's like it was like a lot of it and it just kept on going and going so also i'm not really into justin at all but

11:29Ronnie Karam: justin acting like he's the star of the show i mean he's sitting there like his legs are crossed and he's very basically how i'm sitting right now yeah he's just very much like oh yes well he's answering everything like he's had a role in this show other than talking about banging girls and distress you know just being a complete douchebag the show is not built around you sir you need to calm down nobody cares about you just because you're dating chuck no from i actually

11:57Ben Mandelker: thought he did a good job believe it or not yeah i thought he was uh i think actually he did sort of fake it till he made it he did sort of act like what huh what i was like what's going on i'm in love i don't know why you guys are questioning it i was like yeah why are you guys questioning

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15:34Ben Mandelker: well let's open let's let's dig into the part that we're most excited about which is emmy's apology. She gives a very, you know, I'm not a racist. No, we're not. She does the whole thing. She says, I can't believe I'm so naive. I am an emotional terrorist. I don't listen to the other side. I just don't think about me.

15:57Ronnie Karam: When she says, yeah, you know, when I fight with Will, like Will sometimes says, like, I'm an emotional terrorist. That's pretty funny. I will say, I feel

16:07Ben Mandelker: like Emmy did a better job with her bad apology than Amanda did with hers. At least Emmy tried to emotionally convey regret. Whether or not anyone believes it is a whole other issue, but it felt like she at least put the effort into piecing together the sort of apology that she was supposed to piece together. She put the effort into trying to cry or whatever. i'm not saying like oh she's forgiven i'm just saying compared to amanda and west how they just sat there like they couldn't even do what they could even do the bare minimum that emmy did i was like it just made me think of them as even worse i look at emmy she's up here she's she's able to like hit all like the the apology tour playbook right and those two jokers over there like um we're gonna just have more conversations like what did you have that

17:02Ronnie Karam: weird reaction that I did well no I mean I didn't think I think Emmy just came with a completely written by PR announcement 100 % it's been dragged the whole season but the fact that she couldn't even see this a little bit during the season I have no pity for her and then of course the tears she pulls out the white lady you know blonde I think she did every typical thing the only thing I was surprised at was that she did not call the police on Brad during the reunion I know while we were watching so emmy i think was not a surprise and i she did the typical thing where she she doesn't get her way she gives this big long monologue and brad's like bullshit you're only doing this because you got in trouble online and then the tears automatically dry up and go away so you know it's typical but i'm not saying i give her pity i'm not saying i'm giving her pity

17:50Ben Mandelker: i'm saying like at least she went to the effort to try to do the p to fake it she went to the ever to be like what am i oh i did something terrible to a friend i know that much what am i what am i supposed to do what are the steps i'm supposed to do and amanda and west just didn't even do that and that's what i'm saying so i'm not i'm not letting me off the hook i'm just reminding people that west and and amanda just just i'm just further highlighting their failures

18:15Ronnie Karam: honestly i'm like so over west and amanda right now i'm just i can't even i'm even i think i'm just arguing with you because bringing them into this discussion i'm like do we need more i feel like even getting a slice of pizza here. I'm like, this pizza's too hot. Oh, yeah? Well, you know who wasn't hot enough? West and Amanda. And then you have to talk about it with the fucking pizza seller guy.

18:33Ben Mandelker: Listen, you had two extra hours talking about it on a podcast that I didn't have, so I'm playing catch up.

18:38Ronnie Karam: You stop more.

18:40Ben Mandelker: You're more exhausted than I am.

18:42Ronnie Karam: Well, that's understandable. I mean, West and Amanda really did look at me. I'm like, I'm sick of talking about them. Look, I'll talk about them more. West and Amanda, I think we're doing in the reunion what Emmy did all season, which was but, but, but, but. like how did you say this because i was justified because am i not allowed to have feelings um but yeah they should have been better by the reunion emmy did come in you know with her pre-written thing and i guess you're right at least she made an effort to have something written

19:10Ben Mandelker: for her you know yeah and when i say at least an effort that's not saying guys we should reconsider i'm just it was purely mentioning that in in the context of amanda and west i think i think emmy is you know she's just gonna have to show through her actions that like she actually believes what this monologue you know like you know i i appreciated i appreciated that she finally articulated the things she was supposed to articulate but i i do think it's too late and i think like her i think her behavior this season was really abhorrent and it was like really disappointing to me as someone who actually had traditionally really enjoyed her um but uh we'll see what happens but the best part is that she gives this whole the monologue is long it goes it's emotional she's got her eyes bigger than ever you know and you're looking at will i'm not will you're looking at brad and and you're like brad what's your reaction to that and so you think brad's gonna be like well i appreciate that uh you know i gotta think about he's like yeah no

20:08Ronnie Karam: he's like no this is bullshit and he's like look even if the if you didn't understand what a microaggression was because that's her thing like i didn't even know what that was you know i don't of a microscope? How am I supposed to see it?

20:20Ben Mandelker: The country hasn't been talking about it for the past six years.

20:23Ronnie Karam: Right. So she's saying she just didn't know what it was. And once she found out, I guess, after the season, even though everybody explained this to her nine million times on camera, that she still didn't know what it was until someone explained it to her, I guess, after the season. And he's like, yeah, but even if you didn't know what it was, if my friend is saying my feelings are really hurt by something you did, you just apologize. Like, I was trying to make it okay. We had the discussion. I forgave you. We were going to move on. And then you went behind my back and filmed scenes with Lucia and the baker down the street and the candlestick maker and everybody that you could to add to the lie and say all this additional stuff.

21:04Ronnie Karam: Like, what the fuck, Emmy? And she's like, well, you know, you had your chance to speak at Bolly Beach. And like, I just, I, you know, like all I could think about was my friends were recording me outside my room. So she's still doing

21:17Ben Mandelker: of butt but you know yeah she is and so brad's so brad's like you know well you know you just couldn't hear and we see unaired footage of maddie and brad talking because it's about um brad was saying that he yeah he did attempt to record emmy in her hotel room and we see that he plays it for maddie and this unhaired footage of like here's the recording and mattie's like i can't hear anything okay thank you for showing us that so um but he's like you didn't think about why I had to record it? Do you understand why it's important for me to record it? Because people wouldn't believe me otherwise, you know, as evidenced by this whole season.

21:55Ronnie Karam: No, Brad. And then here's the thing. No, Brad, I don't see why you had to record it. And this is where Emmy really lost. Because Emmy had kind of an actual point. Like, I'm in my room, I should have some privacy, and then I find out you guys are standing out there recording me. She has something to say against that. What she did was said, I feel unsafe. And there's this man, you know, went to production. And that's where the microaggression came in. It doesn't make Brad right, you know, and that's, I think, something that we as an audience kind of lose nuance. It's like it doesn't make Brad automatically right in what he did.

22:35Ronnie Karam: Brad has still done some terrible things on this show. Okay. We've all watched the show. We see how Brad moves. Brad is not some innocent little flower. But in the microaggression thing, Emmy is just so fucking wrong that she obliterates her whole point. So like she can't come in here. If she had a point before this, she could have been like, that was totally uncool. You guys recording me and doing all of this stuff. She would have been in the right had she started the season like that. But she didn't. She started it by going, oh, my God, this guy's going to attack me and I'm naked on the floor and I'm terrified of this black man outside my room and tried to do all that.

23:09Ronnie Karam: So she obliterated her own point so she's trying to make it again here you know she's like doing this whole tearful thing and then still trying to make her point which i think she did have a point but it's obliterated and he stopped trying to make your point you killed your own point by being the biggest dick

23:23Ben Mandelker: in the room i i disagree i think brad had i think brad knew he had to record her because she is a white lady who as we see in the season is ready to like blow this up bigger and bigger

23:38Ronnie Karam: and bigger like locking yourself the microaggression thing he was recording her shit talking the reunion because they had just come off the reunion stage and she was like oh these guys are assholes and blah blah blah and they're lying about this or whatever this wasn't about the microaggressions yet the microaggressions happened after the recording yeah i still think it's okay i think

23:59Ben Mandelker: with this messy ass cast they're all recording each other doing such shady things and she's talking shit and i think like she's she's talking so much shit about him in the room and he knows i i think it's fine for him to record she's if she's being loud enough that that she can be heard in the hallway then guess what like you're being too loud in a hotel and you could get recorded by people because like you're now your voice is in the public space i think he's totally i think it's totally fine to record her to have recorded her and i think it was i think it was a smart thing to do and i think like you can't you can't trust someone like emmy you know because one moment you can't one moment she's saying like oh guys piece of whatever then all of a sudden it's like i feel unsafe then i was cowering in the bathroom door and you know it's just it goes and goes and goes right and you know i guess he did the right thing also can't trust brad i mean brad

24:50Ronnie Karam: just lied about brad had just lied about maddie's boyfriend cheating i mean that was the whole last reunion he led this whole thing about oh let's make up a thing about trevor to get revenge on

25:00Ben Mandelker: Maddie which broke yeah which I think is really shitty I think that got really lost to a crazy

25:04Ronnie Karam: thing Maddie who's you know storyline is like struggling with sobriety and this and that we'd already seen her losing her shit multiple times over this thing that he did so what Brad did was pretty shitty too and I guess I'm just saying like let's not forget that Brad is also a shithead because Brad's getting away with a lot because Emmy was so what Emmy did was so beyond the pale to brad that she's rightfully getting all the shit but brad acting like oh you know i'm so you know brad's not innocent of everything else and i think that we need to have some nuance and

25:38Ben Mandelker: not just forget that you know i think i think we're emmy terrible i think we're emmy could have had a point this season and i don't and she was she was just too thick-headed to be actually articulate it properly and so it just came off as a microaggression yet again was when she said to someone like, yeah, it was important for me to make up with Brad because I don't know how he's going to retaliate. She should have made up with Brad because she did a microaggression, regardless of whether he is retaliatory or not. You should have done it because it's the right thing to do. But also, I understand why she would say that too, because Brad made up a true lie about Trevor to break up Maddie and Trevor, which was really shitty.

26:21Ben Mandelker: It was really, really, really shitty and she should have said and we've seen that brad can can like can do something really messy and i don't want to be on the end of that so like it was important for me to make sure this was all settled that's how she should have said it but she came off being like you can't be careful brad he's dangerous it's like oh my god you're like you're really fucking it up again yeah i think that's where she could have had like yeah i think that's where she could have had a point but you know i mean when she could maybe when she could have a point is really good at not doing the

26:51Ronnie Karam: Yeah, she just, she obliterated her own point and she's an idiot. And I don't think there's any path back for her on this show. I don't think that she can come back to the show. But that leaves, you know, it leaves a question maybe for the end of the episode. But who's coming back to this? Because Maddie's barely there. Maddie's touring all over. She doesn't want to be there. She just showed up for filming. God knows what Joe's up to. Grace Lilly is obviously having her own troubles. um uh brad leva said in a in an instagram post that uh emmy and brad are both off the schedule because brad had his own controversy that went crazy off camera when he was filming someone in his gym he was filming a lady in his gym and saying this is the way not to do it and then another fitness influencer was like is this how we treat women and then that became a whole big big thing and that was before i think right before the season started airing so there's so much going on with all and maybe that was far enough back and not on camera that it is not going to affect brad but according to leva he hasn't been on the schedule so and i think i saw that maybe a month ago that instagram comment so who's going to be back like who's going to be on this show it's a

28:04Ben Mandelker: question that keeps me up late at night i have to say who will come back to southern hospitality um i think that they'll all be back they'll all be back yeah probably let's be honest what else are they gonna do go to like a bass sporting shop pro sporting shop yeah um so uh so anyway hey tj is uh brad is brad is basically saying like uh yeah no you messed up you messed up emmy you messed up and it's a really hard lesson for you to learn but you messed up okay annie you said in a disto that you were never scared for your physical safety so why did you go back and tell people otherwise and she's like i think that when i had the conversation with some other people they like not everyone that i like talked to had the same perspective as the people in this room and like um it was kind of like opposing opinions that like a man is stronger than a woman and like xyz and like um knowing who brad is i know like i know that like my physical safety like was never a problem but like i think that like for me like i don't know like physical safety i don't know it was like emotional safety and like um how can i pivot this it was like i was concerned about um my nails, wait, my hair, my hair was charcuterie.

29:07Ben Mandelker: My charcuterie was unsafe. And so that was like, charcuterie was like part of my body. I don't know. Like, it was like really scary.

29:12Ronnie Karam: She's like, it wasn't physical safety. It was emotional safety. I was like worried about emotional retaliation. So that's, you know, basically like everyone else was like, wow, you should really be worried because that's a man and man stronger than a woman. But you know, it's not, I'm not worried about Brad's physical. It's emotional. It's emotional. so still, Emmy yikes so Andy's like, alright, TJ and Brad you both said you think Emmy's fiance might be influencing her actions and opinions, who feels that way Mia's like, me, I feel that way too of course, you know, Mia and she's like, you know, like sometimes when she speaks I hear Will coming out and Will, Maddie just goes Will's a lot smarter yeah, Emmy's like, what?

29:58Ronnie Karam: what do you mean happy pride month?

29:59Ben Mandelker: i feel like i hear will coming out i was making a pun joke yeah uh you can keep them straights so mia's like so maddie's like well will's a lot smarter i mean he's like um well will is not on this show you cannot me is like well i know he's not here but like will's not here so like we know he's not here we can invoke his name what does emmy have this rule it's so funny that emmy acts

30:26Ronnie Karam: like this is just a rule that everybody has like um he is not here and we cannot discuss Will how can you discuss Will when Will is not here

30:37Ben Mandelker: do not talk about Will Sammy's like it's just for me it's like frustrating because like it validates that like I don't have a brain of my own and I don't think for myself don't worry that doesn't validate it it's your behavior that does

30:51Ronnie Karam: he's like yeah but Maddie just called you stupid though like hello So I think we already all think that.

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33:00Ronnie Karam: Emmy's like, well, like, I mean, you know, I'm saying that's how I feel. And like, it feels as though like he's pulling some strings on a puppet. And I'm like, oh, what am I, a puppet? You know, like, I understand the perspective that people have, but obviously he's like the closest person to me aside from my family and brad's like yeah but you talk to him and he definitely gives you advice and she's like i've seen him firsthand manipulate you and they're like and joe joe i think has some sense where he's like duh you talked to your i talked to my fiance that's like what a couple of course they're gonna talk to each other and influence each other i don't think that's a huge one and also they accused will of cheating last year so emmy's point was like, you guys are lying about Will, just like you're lying about Trevor was the point that she was trying to make last reunion.

33:46Ben Mandelker: Yeah. So then Maddie is like, so do you talk to him about the show or no? And she goes, I mean, yeah. I mean, but like, I don't like, I mean, like, but Will's like not involved in this. Like I'm trying not to get involved in this. Okay. He has very important law cases about people who drew too fast, drove too fast down King street. Okay. So Andy is like, all right, well, again, this was, excuse me, this is a huge thing, you know? So I can't imagine you didn't discuss it with him for hours by hours. No, I mean, I did. And Will's advice for me was, um, go and reach out to Lucia because, um, she's not white.

34:20Ben Mandelker: And like, she might, if you give her a different story, she might be empathetic to you. So that's what I did.

34:24Ronnie Karam: Exactly. Will's advice was go to a person of color and get that on camera. Go to a person of color to vindicate you.

34:30Ben Mandelker: To say that you're not racist.

34:33Ronnie Karam: yeah just some of my best friends are black exactly yeah just give me the some of my best

34:38Ben Mandelker: friends are black argument yeah so dj is like um you told the story different to lucia than you told anyone else because you knew it was wrong she's like well i mean but that's why i sought out it's like but with a different story about what you said about brad to everyone else and brad's like yeah you told her i told you to sleep with one eye open emmy my god yeah i mean the

35:00Ronnie Karam: point is that you went to somebody else and then you lied and made it sound like he was about to bust down your door to murder you while you were naked yeah so um uh we see a flashback and the flashback does kind of make me laugh because they're they're doing yoga and lucia's like sitting in the crisscross applesauce yoga position you know being all peaceful but her face is like what the fuck emmy she's like kind of confused which i imagine anybody who's having a one-on-one

35:29Ben Mandelker: conversation with emmy they have that face yeah yeah at all times so then um uh brad's like that's not a microaggression that's a lie you lie over and over and over again you lied i can't even stress how hurt and destroyed i am okay michaels emmy made it very clear that she expected you to take her side what was your reaction to seeing emmy tell maddie that that you should agree with hair if you if you liked it wave your neck scarf if you don't twirl it thank you and then comes one

36:01Ronnie Karam: of my favorite clips of this season when emmy's like i mean if we're friends and i tell you two plus two is five then it's five and maddie goes wait but it's four it's like god damn it it's a

36:16Ben Mandelker: theoretical so uh michael's like um so i think like my biggest thing is that i didn't agree with her at all and everybody knows what it's like to film a show and like emotions be heightened and like the whole nine but like however like how she was like feeling is not an excuse for her verbiage and expressing that like she should have known better like maybe if she was on the cover of so dot gay she would have had a better perspective like i do but like unfortunately she doesn't so yeah it's like that's why i had to take a beat in the summer yeah and then andy asks lake you

36:47Ronnie Karam: know how she feels about the blowback that she was standing up for emmy all season and she's like but ultimately i had one-on-one conversations with emmy and i like told her that i did not condone it

37:04Ben Mandelker: yeah and and it's like well did you feel like she got it and she's like yeah there are times she did like how long did it take for her to get it i mean there's like times when like i was a bit frustrated you know and i was like emmy i told you i told you not to cry i said do not cry like get your shit together i do not condone that but you know people make mistakes and that's how people get

37:26Ronnie Karam: educated people get educated by learning and emmy's like yeah and also lake and brad like brad asked michaels to leave it alone and he was gonna speak to me so they were at first like just let brad talk to you you know no one talked to emmy except brad so emmy's trying to stand up for lake you you know, in return. And Andy says, you know, the internet went wild when your mom called you out for talking to white people about black people's business.

37:57Ben Mandelker: Lake, I have a question about your mom. How big are her boobs? Has she gotten them? Has she gotten implants? Did she want to get implants? Would you like to be on the show to show that?

38:10Ronnie Karam: Yeah, and Lake's mom basically told her, listen, fix it. Don't be a sellout. Fix it. and Addie asks what the mom's opinion of Emmy is, and Lake says that her mom has had conversations with Emmy about this, and now they're okay, and she likes them and will, and she thinks they're going to last. Yeah. I feel like the mom just threw something at the TV at home. Damn it, Lake. The mom's like, I did not say that.

38:37Ben Mandelker: The mom was like, who is this bitch?

38:39Ronnie Karam: And the mom apparently said, oh, yeah, he didn't cheat. That must be a lie.

38:44Ben Mandelker: Okay. Okay. the mom was not paying attention mom was watching jeopardy like mom do you think we'll cheat it uh no like whatever hold on i'm focusing on the game show honey yeah so uh so then leva's like did you talk to him did you talk about like what what emmy said and she's like oh the microaggression yeah my mom talked about it and like my mom was like you need to like get it right and like make it right and apologize and get accountability and you also need to do your part and i've tried to do my part this i would never condone a microaggression and basically like apologize to brad for um you know for the toll that this is all taken on him and like what black men have had to go through because of things like this yeah so brad there the viewers are so impressed with your grace and patience

39:29Ronnie Karam: in all of this and uh he says that most of his response has been positive it's been like 80 percent 85 positive but then you know the other half of america has to say something as well i'm like trying to do the math but i know what he means i love i love those idiots who would um like push back on brad i would love the i love the people who would push back on brad

39:54Ben Mandelker: in a racist way while trying to defend someone for not being racists right isn't that basically what they would be doing like yeah someone's pushing back they'll be like how dare you accuse emmy of being racist and then they respond with their own racist bullshit it's like well yeah well it's pretty much far for the course eh yeah idiots so um uh there's no there's no

40:19Ronnie Karam: nuance in what is right and wrong here like there's no questionable there's nothing questionable a lot 100 it's not like wow was emmy right or wrong like there's i can't imagine that argument

40:35Ben Mandelker: no no it was i'm sad for the people who are making that argument so um so then brad michael's also got got that too and emmy is like crying she's like i am sorry i am sorry that you're so dangerous i am sorry so andy's like uh okay well i mean you should probably just stop talking do you understand that he will probably need time to process and she's like of course i just i hope that one day you can see that i was naive and that i have learned from this and i will never make this mistake again because i never want to put someone in that position that i put you in um that's all that my script says like okay great probably not make this mistake again because you

41:13Ronnie Karam: will probably not be on tv again you dummy yeah so now um every they take a break and come back And Andy's like, whoa, the crew wasn't clocked in in Republic. They were working on their love lives. We had an engagement, multiple relationships, and a legend three-way. That's hot. Plus, enough body shots to put the lick in Republic.

41:37Ben Mandelker: Francis from McDormand says, Emmy has the best fashion sense. Whoa. I can't wait to see what she wears down the aisle. Do you have a dress picture? Did someone really write that? Did someone say Emmy has the best fashion sense? She's only worn corsets all year.

41:52Ronnie Karam: Francis from McDormand, who is currently wearing a potato sack with a chicken bone in her hair as a barrette, says Emmy has the greatest fashion sense.

42:02Ben Mandelker: Francis from McDormand asks Sally, who is also working in the Amazon fulfillment plant. Hey, Sally, how's your daughter? Sorry, just watched Nomadland last night.

42:15Ronnie Karam: Want to talk about some depressed people. So Emmy's like, I grew up in London for like four years. And like his family, like his mom specifically is English. So like it really holds a spot for the, oh, they're talking about the wedding. I don't know. Why are they talking about the wedding? Oh, because she's talking about her fashion. And of course, she's already bought her dress and all of that. And they're going to get married in the Cotswolds. Yeah. Which is very fancy.

42:43Ben Mandelker: Nice. That's very, very right.

42:44Ronnie Karam: get her lawyer her lawyer wedding and then the cotton swans she'd her be damned yeah it's very

42:51Ben Mandelker: it's very lovely um uh so a lot of viewers notice that you never call him will you always say my fiance and we see her be like my fiance so do you like that she's well i think i was just trying to give him more of like uh respect since like he wanted more privacy from being on the show this season he wants more privacy we know who he is it's not like if you start calling my fiance that We're going to be like, who is she talking about?

43:16Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I mean, I mean, I mean, I'm one of those people that all she want, like all she measures success in is this marrying a lawyer. You know, she's always been like this. Like, I'm just I'm a lawyer's wife. You know, she said it multiple times. Like, I just want to be a lawyer's wife. She doesn't care what this man does. And so that's why she says my fiance like she got a fiance and she's holding it above everybody's head. You know, like as a human resources manager, I can say like, OK. We're just, we're ordering lunch. You know, you don't have to tell the waiter that. As a human resources manager, I would love a Diet Coke.

43:51Ben Mandelker: As a purser. So Andy's like, Brad, you and Julia are coming up on two years. Congratulations. Any plans for the next three years? He's like, no plans for the next three years. Just taking it year by year. Okay. So Lake, what went down with you and the milkman after the law prom?

44:13Ronnie Karam: And so Emmy's joking, like, someone's dress came off. And Brad's like, wow, what a pivot. Okay, so now we're going out of this. And Lake's like, I did not have a threesome with Oshin. And Joe's like, oh, look, I will say it. I was like a little messy when I brought that up. But, you know, I was hearing whispers.

44:35Ben Mandelker: Yeah, it was like a lot of whispers. And the whispers all said, God, I love a rooftop. Wow, it's crazy. The buzz is out.

44:42Ronnie Karam: yeah you were the one spreading the whispers because you heard it from o'sheen

44:46Ben Mandelker: or you're acting like you just heard whispers i know joe it's a lot of whispers but i'm sorry like me and luke have uh me and lake have duked it out since then so you know you know it's like you know it's like i've seen o'sheen get with like many many women you know and like he's never said like hey let me bring them to emo night you know i'm saying it's like kind of rude sometimes

45:08Ronnie Karam: so maddie's like and then you ghosted him and broke his heart poor o'sheen

45:14Ben Mandelker: poor o'sheen so andy's like yeah i mean if you're out of his league okay so justin you start dating republic bartender jordan with a y then you go up to mia with an i and then by the end of the season you were talking about marilyn charlie with an e-y i don't know why i'm starting to do that but i can't stop okay so uh wow are things between you and charlie going strong right they're going strong tell us all about it america can't wait to hear about charlie he's like yeah she's the love of my

45:45Ronnie Karam: life and like she's the most gorgeous girl i've ever seen andy and it's a joy just to call her mine

45:54Ben Mandelker: oh okay well was there any overlap between when charlie was talking to craig and you what I can get with her? He's like, no, not at all. I mean, I don't know. It was tough watching that back, knowing that Charlie was, like, innocent.

46:08Ronnie Karam: And Love was like, yeah, like, Charm had finished out filming. And that's what we call it. Charm. Charm. Like, if you're really on the end, you just call it Chet. So, yeah, like, Chet had finished filming, and Sally and Charlie came into Republic, and they were both like, oh my god, who the hell is that guy? and so i was like oh my god go say hi chuck is indio that's what we call her in the industry so it's like it was a pretty big deal yeah and so like i went and told justin go say hi and like

46:38Ben Mandelker: girls are like thinking like you're cute and so lo and behold 48 hours later i'm like i'm like oh yeah he's like going on a date with charlie right and i was like damn that man moves fast and he's like well there were people online who thought you were saying you were 30 gay to profit But for your OnlyFans, have you considered going up to maybe a 50%, 70%, or 100 %? He's like, yeah.

46:59Ronnie Karam: Gays have a lot of money. You really should have given that a good 80 %-er, okay? Judging.

47:05Ben Mandelker: He's like, yeah, gay for pay. I mean, gay for pay, quick career beating, all that stuff. Yeah, I know I'm comfortable with my sexuality, okay? The bottom line is this. To get serious about the matter is that I objectively, you know, I like what I like. And, you know, have I exclusively been with women? Absolutely. But if there was a guy, a sweeping fellow, they came and took me off my feet and it was perfect in every way, then I would not have any hesitation moving forward with it. You know, it's sexuality. It's fluid. You know what, Andy, what are you doing down on one knee in front of me?

47:35Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So you've only been with women, but you're saying you're my fear Instagram. Come on. That's what you're doing. You fucking little brat. And everybody knows it. And I think he's totally doing that. And I love that Michael's basically just scoffs. He's like laughing at me. He's like, Michaels, please, this guy is totally doing this for his OnlyFans. Give me a fucking break.

47:56Ben Mandelker: I thought it was a good little spiel. I thought he was basically like, yeah, I'm pretty much straight. But I'm not ruling out that if I saw a guy that was like, hey, I would give it a try. You know?

48:11Ronnie Karam: I don't believe him. I believe that he is doing this for his OnlyFans. And I think we both thought that when he said it on camera. where he's like, yeah, I'm like 30 % gay. It's like, of course, you have an OnlyFans and you're on national TV trying to sell it. So of course, I'm not saying whether he would or whether he's not, but then coming on and being like, have I only exclusively been with women? Yes. Okay, then shut up and stop trying to sell yourself as like a fantasy to people on your OnlyFans. It's annoying. I don't believe him for two seconds. And then he's like, yeah, now I get it because it's like so hard for gay people what gay people go through.

48:45Ronnie Karam: And now that I said that, like actually having to like suffer that blowback i'm like oh so now you're a part of the community well happy pride month to you can we have a parade for justin can we have a parade for fuck boys profiting off of like gay culture on their only fans thanks yeah hey everyone this

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