#3410 RHOA S17E11: The Ring Didn’t Mean a Thing

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2:25Ben Mandelker: New York City. Could not have thought of a better time to go than the past two weeks watching the Knicks ascend to win. Oh my God. I'm sure you were the one who was first out there on the streets, Ronnie, cheering with all the fans, weren't you?

2:43Ronnie Karam: Well, you know what? When you're manifesting, the best way to manifest something is to not care. Because when you care, you're bringing kind of like that nervous, negative energy into it. Like, oh my God, I want it so bad. And I didn't care. So I I was just like, wow, I hope the Knicks win. And I was very nonchalant. And it worked. So you're all welcome.

3:00Ben Mandelker: It did. Yes, thank you. Thank you, Ronnie, for bringing your nonchalance to help the Knicks claim victory. Nailed it. But anyway, for real, though, it was a great time. And we've said it before, but we'll say it again. Thanks to everyone who came to our shows. That was really special for us. And now we're back to real life. But it was a really great two and a half weeks out there.

3:20Ronnie Karam: So much fun. And so great being in the city for two weeks and getting kind of back into that lifestyle and seeing the city so lit and so excited. It was great. It was really cool. So, yeah, that was a really, really good time. I wanted to say happy birthday to Shannon out of a cannon. Anthony. Triple 20, baby. Hit the 60. Long time listener, Facebook moderator, friend of ours. So that's pretty incredible. She went on the Kate Chastain and Captain Sandy cruise. Really? To party with the Bay Area Badges, Badges. Which is really cool that all those people are still hanging out. I mean, it's been years.

4:01Ronnie Karam: It's been decades. So it's really cool to see stuff like that. So happy birthday to you. Sending all the love to the Bay Area Badges, Badges. And if you want to be on Patreon, which is where you get videos and bonus episodes like our Love Island bonus. episodes and etc and you want ad-free listening or our free weekly blog that i write um every week because it's weekly uh making fun of these shows all over again it's so fun how i can trigger people in writing again i just love it oh yeah there's something about you know there's really something about pissing people off with just audio that maybe i'm just used to but pissing people off

4:42Ben Mandelker: in writing just feels so much better well say it forget it write it regret it yeah i was shocked never i regret nothing i landed from uh new york yesterday and i went on to my phone and i was looking and there were some quotes from your from your newsletter and you'd written a thing about nia and you basically were like like nia stop like pretending you know stop pretending everything's okay just say he's he's got a problem with drinking and i told him he's got to fix it whatever you just said something like that so the nea apologists came out and then one of them was somehow like equated this to like you know like somehow brought like trans like anti-trans issues into it and i was like really it's like what are what is wrong with people what is happening here i don't understand And how you can even find that thread in the Nia.

5:41Ben Mandelker: Yeah, any reason. Any reason to bring it into bashing trans people? I'm like, it's a discussion about Nia and Danny.

5:47Ronnie Karam: What is wrong with you? Well, the quote is, Nia, you're making this so much worse. Just say my husband's a dick, and if he keeps that shit up, I'm leaving him. I'm not a moron. The cast and I would leave you alone. But no, you have to insist and demand that we all believe that the way he treats you is totally fine and normal and acceptable. No, ma 'am. Restaurants don't all decide to stop cleaning just because you're okay eating somewhere with the C posted on the front window You've done so much settling. You could have founded this country. Okay, that's the quote So they somehow took this and made this into you're so close on getting it right on the trans issue Because just because they pretend doesn't mean we have to and I was like go be a bigot somewhere else And someone else is like you guys have been to put disappointing me for four years.

6:27Ronnie Karam: Oh, really? Then what are you still doing here? What are you Nia just sitting around and wallowing a disappointment? I mean, it's crazy Come on, this is a simple, you want Mia to leave her babies? Oh, for Christ's sake, people.

6:40Ben Mandelker: Everyone? But whatever it is, I think there's something in Rania's family. Huh? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. But either way, the point is you should be reading Ronnie's newsletter because he's got some hot takes in there. It's fun. It's fun.

6:56Ronnie Karam: And by the way, you're allowed to, you know, disagree or whatever. I'm not telling people not to disagree. But, you know, go be a bigot somewhere else. How are you going to listen to two gay men and then come on here? Two gay men who are like standing against the men on these shows for being such pricks and then come on and argue pro straight guys and pro or anti-trans shit. You're just at the wrong place. I'm sure there are plenty of places for you to go. God bless you.

7:22Ben Mandelker: Especially when talking about Danny and Nia has nothing to do with trans issues whatsoever. Nothing. At least not that I can see.

7:31Ben Mandelker: but you know you gotta love the internet the internet will always internet when given a chance the internet will internet but anyway as we are members of the internet let us do our job of adding noise to the internet by talking about this week's real housewives of atlanta and speaking of the knicks you didn't watch the game but miss angela oakley herself made a cameo appearance in the finals there because Charles Oakley was there for the uh for game five of the Knicks versus the Spurs and Angela was right there so of course I was very excited because it was right at the end you know it was like seven seconds left Knicks are up by two points they go and they start showing all the great Knicks they're all in there you know standing up Patrick Ewing etc like oh my god is this the moment we're finally going to win and then they show Charles Oakley and they show Angela next to him so there was like for me and for every Housewives fan there was like an extra um extra like layer of euphoria happening in that moment it's like oh my god the next you're about to win and there's angela you know i'm a fangie yeah she did not have her fangie present what what's are you are you blocking the gear like no cameras no fix no photos please i'm by nonchalance i'm upping my lighting a little bit oh okay so it's very exciting um but uh uh real housewives of atlanter um so we start up it's called it's episode 11 from season 17 shady text and bigger regrets it's supposed to be shady texts and bigger regrets whatever it is uh we are at lake bailey cynthia's house and america's favorite shamia she shows up and uh she's saying how wow she just still she just still hasn't even recovered from the party it was just so fun watching gerald turn whatever age he turned i mean it has taken it out of shamia but it was so so fun and she and gerald are still talking about

9:31Ronnie Karam: it guys what an amazing party and if you didn't uh remember much about it it's because it was extremely boring because she didn't invite anybody that she didn't like just to feature her husband nobody cares about your husband okay so sorry nobody's watching the show for gerald's birthday i'm sorry you need to do better things so she's really excited so that's good and uh cynthia's like yeah you know she means usually a good time but there wasn't anything fun about her as in dallas and because my history i want to just have this time with her to tell her goddamn girl so she's like so yeah how'd you come up with the guest list because there were a lot of people not invited and she says well last time i spoke with your angela it was just so you know you can't just come for somebody's marriage and think that you can come back from that um yeah you brought up

10:24Ben Mandelker: her marriage no yeah you did that first so cynthia's like well what about drew what's your issue with her shimia says i don't have an issue with drew she just wouldn't stop bringing up porsha and that's where i draw the line and cynthia's like so with that said since you did bring her up which is ironic because you're complaining about true bringing up portia but since you brought up portia just now how come you didn't invite her to the party and she's like well it's just a little too much for now i think we've just got to slow our roll you know yeah you never want to strain the friendship by having portia come to gerald's

10:58Ronnie Karam: boring party yeah okay so let's get this straight you didn't want portia there you didn't want drew there and you didn't want angela there those are three people who are at least twice as entertaining is you so sometimes you got to realize like where you are and what you're doing which is filming a show nobody's into your storylines everybody's into theirs so you know maybe like bend a little so you can have a more entertaining party for yeah that people are watching you on cynthia's like

11:28Ben Mandelker: well i am gonna point out that she did invite you she'll see how well she invited me but let me finish speaking okay we were in an awkward place and we had not even spoken on the other hand dennis and gerald talk all the time and they do play dates with the kids so you know that's why and which i still think it's like i think if you invite dennis you invite portia sorry you that that i think this is tacky on shamiya's part so uh but she said it would be unfair for her to let the issues with portia spill into into dennis and gerald's relationships why is dennis also all up in everyone else's friendships why is it like every season it's like well but dennis's friends with dennis has his own relationship with drew dennis has his own relationship with gerald dennis is only friends with these people because of portia by the way and then he's now ingratiated himself into all these people's lives and then you're gonna cut out portia

12:21Ronnie Karam: yeah dennis came on port came into portia's life to get onto tv with his hot dog network yeah and he's sticking to it you know he's getting what he came here for um and shimmy even says yeah and simon might have even been there if he was still living in the

12:38Ben Mandelker: country so take that i'm a triple non-girls girl there i know right like that's does not make it any better um so she goes and you know that we had some really nasty texts that went back and forth after the reunion and one was about my marriage and uh cynthia's like but i always feel like when it comes to you and portia it's it's bigger than our circle so let's just leave it right there i'm like wait no but this is something real why we should talk about this i'm sorry this is a real issue and we should dive into it it is it is something bigger and these two they're being they're being dumb by fighting so much and they should get back to being friends but that's fine we can just leave it there and talk about i don't know

13:21Ronnie Karam: drew sidora opening the can of pickles or something yeah so to me it's like you know when i'm away from my family or my life i want to be able to have fun because i've just got so much happening you know my surrogate is due to start her mock cycle and that's where we practice cycles um it's like court mock court we just say objection but there's not really a judge and um anyway we're starting my mock cycle and i want to be able to uh i'm worried that if this boy doesn't take there might not be another chance for me to have a penis on a child what will i do

13:57Ben Mandelker: if i get any more vaginas we'll lose the castle yeah i oh yes you know cynthia's like oh great okay well i came here to talk about you and porsha but sure we could talk about

14:10Ronnie Karam: your baby stuff some more um i'm watching i'm doing a re-watch of house of the dragons because that show comes back soon and normally we recap it we don't know if we're doing it this year but we think so so i thought well i better re-watch it it's been a couple years and um it's like the same storyline as Shamia. And that's sad when you're like having a medieval storyline, like, what will we do if we don't have a ding-a-ling? Drown the girl babies, drown the girl babies.

14:38Ben Mandelker: Shamia having the same storyline as House of the Dragons is not what I was expecting you to say whatsoever.

14:44Ronnie Karam: It actually is the same problem if you think about it. Like the green party has a or the green house has a party but they don't have enough dragons there and everyone's like who wants to come here without dragons like we're only here for the dragons

15:00Ben Mandelker: the way i don't remember anything that's happening on that show is hilarious i was like okay yes the green part of the dragons that's right they don't have any dragons it's like yes of course of course that is what is happening and that i'm like i don't remember all i remember is that matt smith spent the entire season wandering around a strange castle having visions of a lady and i'm like that's all it's called heron hall how dare you oh the siege of heron hall i will i will watch a refresher to get me back up to speed on all the huge things that happened yeah it is a

15:32Ronnie Karam: huge thing actually because they go to heron hall because they need it for the war but then the the dragons had already like set it a fire he's like uh heron hall sucks now because you guys started it on fire with your dragon what do you want from us he's like well then repair it make it nice and he's like how am i supposed to do that we don't have any money you burnt all our money too he's like just do something the auntie needs to come in there and be like i'm here to fix harren hall

15:59Ben Mandelker: yeah sandfees everywhere it literally was like his entire character was doing a full hgtv arc at harren hall that's every single episode was him just fixing up that place while also having weird visions. And then he would talk about it. He would talk about it when the show was over. And he'd be like, well, what's amazing is, is he going mad or is he not going mad? And every week you have to wonder. I'm like, every week I really don't care. I'm like, just add some AC, get some new wiring, and then go back to the island where your wife's sister is.

16:30Ronnie Karam: Stop just dreaming of Joanna Gaines in every room and just put up the shiplap. We know you're going to put up the shiplap. Just do it, okay? Please So anyway Sorry for everybody we just confused But you know it is a part of our life So Cynthia tries to talk some sense into Shamiya About like opening her heart to other people And Shamiya is not having it She's like no I won't And she's like I have nothing to apologize for Because they've also lit me up So Cynthia's like okay whatever So they hug It's time for a commercial It's time for a Crappens commercial My mom is the queen of the bargain find.

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20:06Ronnie Karam: We go to Pink Lotus, and this is K. Michelle and Pinky for a meeting. And Pinky's like, oh my gosh,$9 ,000 came out of my account this morning. I couldn't even identify what it was. It turns out it was food for the restaurant. God, so much money coming in and out. I just don't know. So tough being a boss.

20:24Ben Mandelker: by the way I'm still sort of on the name of this place Pink Lotus it's just like guys let's capitalize off the success of White Lotus we'll call it Pink Lotus and we'll make sure Pinky shoots a scene here to justify the name okay go so they're celebrating though Pinky is celebrating something today and Kim Michelle says what are you celebrating and Pinky says just life because there's so much that's good. I mean,$9 ,000 less that's good, but there's still so much that's good. And so they toast because she's franchising Slutty Vegan. And Pinky's saying how there's never been a black woman to franchise a vegan brand.

21:09Ben Mandelker: So that's a very exciting thing. And she says, I think God wants me to go through all that bad stuff because, you know, good things are happening back to back now. Are they? what are the good things that are happening you just lost nine thousand dollars

21:25Ronnie Karam: when you went to the bathroom i don't know because she does she does change it up a lot like one minute she's like i'm rich i piss ninety thousand dollars who gives a shit ninety thousand dollars is nothing to me i wipe my ass with that and the next day she's like i owe four million dollars the next day she's like my husband's taking care of it but i can't then she's like i can't let my husband take care of i don't know she's going she's vacillating a lot between like boss be and oh my god yeah it's all over so i'm not really sure what to believe i would imagine that that's normal in this situation well she at this point is saying how bankruptcy at first was

22:00Ben Mandelker: like a really tough pill to swallow but now she's used to it she's like you know what i'm used to being bankrupt and also she's got a husband who's gonna help her if if it gets really bad and she's like she's like i just want him to know that his wife is a warrior and that's what made him attracted to me in the first place i am a warrior who's also making a pilot with someone from 3lw

22:21Ronnie Karam: okay um so k michelle's like well everybody has their seasons and their highs and their lows and i'm going through my season right now you know it's just that there's all these opinions that make you feel like you don't belong what is your season what what how are you going through your season, you're offended at everything that happens. How is that a season? What season would that be? Fall? It's always raining shit on your head.

22:49Ben Mandelker: How dare you say it's fall? How dare you say it's fall? It's fall when it was actually summer. I'm not going to tell you what season it is. So then Pinky's like, by the way, why was Shamia trying to take that purse out of your hand? She's like, oh my gosh, they told you? She's like, yeah, I mean, that's hilarious. Just, well, you know, life is more than the national anthem, and hopefully If you do rap up people you'll get experience For us to experience other performances you know Because yeah like cruise ships And then they both laugh And so then K-Michelle is like you know what Madeline came at the right time

23:23Ronnie Karam: So basically K-Michelle's like Drew puts out AI music You gonna trust somebody that puts out AI music

23:32Ben Mandelker: Is this true? I don't know if it's true I don't know if she's saying that her music Sounds like AI or she uses AI uh i could be a little bit of both to be honest so uh k michelle saying that they had like a long night and uh she says by the way so shamia and her mom came to the club and it's like two in the morning and bingy's like wait the club she's like girl she's like they didn't she did not come to the club and we actually see footage of shamia and her mom at the club and so uh i would love

24:08Ronnie Karam: to see Shamia's mom at the club. Can we just play a song? Everybody needs to get along together because we're here together to get along and love each other. No fighting, no mess. That's a very long title. Could you be more specific? By the way, I just looked it up. Recent buzz surrounding Drew Sedora and AI music stems from rumors sparked by her castmates. So I guess this is just coming from K. Michelle. Yeah. Is there proof? Can we put it through an AI? an AI filter or whatever.

24:40Ben Mandelker: Do we know if Drew Sedora is even a real person or is she just an AI generated avatar? Because sometimes I wonder. I wonder that about Rula on Real Housewives of Rula. People say that about Corbin on Love Island. They're like, is he AI? Yeah, AI fuckboy. He talks so slowly. So anyway, so they're at the, Shamia brought her mom to the club and k michelle says we're literally like this and she's has like it's like head to head like she says that i think was she talking she says her mom shamiya's mom has her is like holding her hand is holding k michelle's hand and i think he's like i'm not praying in the club and k michelle says basically it went on for over an hour and you know you say to me oh and i just hope you'll be loyal to me i hope you'll be my friend because none of my friends want to be your friend so when I go in the car I'm like little grandpa then at first when she said this I thought she said the mom was saying this I thought the mom was telling her I hope you'll be my friend because no one wants to be my like no one wants to be your friend so be my friend but then afterwards I realized it must have been Shamia who was saying this to K.

25:49Ben Mandelker: Michelle

25:50Ronnie Karam: yeah which basically kind of proves everybody who's saying that Shamia is twisting all of this stuff and making K. Michelle kooky is correct this is what Shamia has been doing and finally K. Michelle is telling us yeah she's sitting there like nobody wants me to be friends with you which is why she thinks nobody likes her so yes she is being loaded up by Shamia and then sent out to argue with everybody it is shitty and so she's like you know I thought Shamia's back more than anything but for you to keep saying to me nobody in Atlanta wants me to be your friend I mean I don't want to hear about no goddamn candy coated nights I didn't really get that so was she saying that Candy was one of the people that said that?

26:30Ronnie Karam: That Candy doesn't like her? I don't know. But I love that Candy's still being brought into it.

26:36Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I mean, sometimes K-Michelle makes a reference to something that I'm like, what is she talking about? Because, you know, she picks up references that aren't there, so then she makes references that aren't there, too. So, she's basically offended by this, because Shamia is trying to advocate for herself by saying, look how good I am to you. I'm the only one that wants to be your friend, which is so mean to k michelle and he's pulling the kyle richards everybody thinks that everybody says

27:03Ronnie Karam: that yeah everybody i'm the only one here for you everybody else hates you you know so they

27:11Ben Mandelker: k michelle's like i just want us to have some fun and pinky of course on the heels of hearing a story about how um shamia told uh k michelle that no one likes her pinky's like well speaking of fun i said you know what we should have a skate party it's an 80s theme i'll bring the vibes and the energy we're not gonna do any bs i'm like okay so we'll just move on from the fact that shamia like made the slanderous comment okay michelle that's fine we'll just plan a skate party instead

27:36Ronnie Karam: and um everybody's gonna be invited so then we go to porsche's house and she's got a chef and he's teaching her how to slice carrots and stuff because i guess it's just never too late to learn how to slice a kid

27:51Ben Mandelker: It's never too late. You know, life is about learning. Life is learning. And if that means slicing carrots, then so be it.

27:58Ronnie Karam: So Portia, we find out, doesn't have a doorbell. And she's like, well, that's because it's iron doors. Nothing's going to signal from that door. So you have to call my phone or you have to bust your knuckles. What do you think doorbells are made of? Little actual dings, like little actual bells in front of a door that you're supposed to hear from the inside? They're connected to electricity. tea and speakers in your home in general i've never heard that before that you can't install

28:24Ben Mandelker: a doorbell by an iron door even if it's a ring like that's crazy does she think it's just a bunch of little sprites playing a glockenspiel i mean what is this i can't hear a bell when it's done from outside borsche borsche i mean the girl's just learning

28:41Ronnie Karam: how to chop a carrot for the first time at 40 something so i guess we should give her a break

28:46Ben Mandelker: issues of the doorway have plagued her for a long time first it was the welcome mat that marlo pointed out now it's the doorbell i mean i don't even know what's gonna happen next it's gonna be

28:55Ronnie Karam: a knob issue you know so um they're making oxtails for uh dinner and it's mike it's mike who's coming in big mike great and uh she's like well i like mike but i'm standing 10 down 10 toes down on my sister's advice. And then we see a flashback of Lauren being like, as women, we should multi-date, not multi-sleep with, but just you need to date five people at a time. You know, that's the same thing they're telling Taylor Frankie Paul on the Mormon Wives show. I started watching that season late. That's not true advice. Why do people give this advice? I don't think you need to date 20 people at a time.

29:34Ronnie Karam: Men are men.

29:34Ben Mandelker: Just find one you like and be done with it. To be fair, Mike is about as wide as five people he's a very very muscular he's a big guy man he's a big guy and then they serve him food they serve him this like one little like chicken wing i was like that's not gonna be enough for him um so porsche's saying i know i'm wifey material because i carry the energy anytime i date so of course i can picture a future with you but i am definitely trying to move differently this time i'm like are you we've seen porsche trot out this the dating game for so many years I'm like, I just, I'm sorry. I don't want to be negative, everyone.

30:10Ben Mandelker: I'm loving this season. I really am. But I do feel like the episode's kind of ground to a halt when it gets to Portia's personal life. Whether she's going on a date or talking with Dennis, it's just kind of like the same scene we've been seeing for years and years and years and years. And, like, we need something better here.

30:27Ronnie Karam: And I don't necessarily believe it. She doesn't seem to really have anything going on with Mike. She has something. The Sway thing seems somewhat believable. But, I mean, the best one was the hot dog guy because that was just hilarious that she'd started dating the hot dog guy and then ended up doing all that with the hot dog guy and having a kid in like five minutes. So that was something. And then it was Simon who she stole slash didn't steal depending on who you listen to from her friend slash not friend depending on who you listen to right after because he's a super rich African. So she wanted that money and then kind of got that.

31:03Ronnie Karam: So we see how Portia moves. She moves from like a hot dog guy to another rich guy to Mike. What does Mike do? Do we know what Mike does? He's an actor. He's an actor. He's not serious. He's not getting with some speaker.

31:16Ben Mandelker: Nah. He's. Yeah. He's getting, she's getting with a rich man. Come on. Yeah. It makes you almost pine for the day of Kenya and her tow truck operator. It's like, those are the days.

31:26Ronnie Karam: Oh yeah. The garbage truck guy. What's the tow truck? I guess it was tow truck.

31:31Ben Mandelker: What was his name again?

31:32Ronnie Karam: Walter. It's like Wes, but Walter.

31:34Ben Mandelker: Yeah. w i knew he had a w's walter her hired youtube actor yeah i don't know so like i hate to be negative about it i just feel like i feel like portia is such an iconic cast member and she's such a great like hall of fame real housewife but i do feel like she does self-produce so much of her personal stuff that i just really i have a hard time with it like i think she's great in a group in group events but like when the action settles down and she's in her living living room with her mom and her sister and a guy comes over a dentist i'm always like all right everyone time to get a snack now um so he's talking about love languages

32:23Ronnie Karam: i don't even know why and he's like yours yours is to feel safe and she goes yeah it's like um It's safety. Yeah, safety. He's like, you want to feel protected. She's like, well, communication. And he's like, communication? Yours is communication? She's like, you don't think I'm good at communication? He's like, you don't have a doorbell that works.

32:46Ronnie Karam: It's like literally a communication block. So then she's like, so remember I was at Culture Con?

32:52Ben Mandelker: And we see footage of the famous moment where Portia announced to the world that she's talking to two different people. he is nice and she is nice so uh and everyone's like oh my god oh my god so she said i was wrong she tells us i was wrong i was wrong and you know in my odd mind i thought i was giving him a shout out but it just i guess it wasn't like a shadow in her mind she's thinking wasn't it nice that i included you in the discussion of people that i'm interested in like that you made it to the final two you made it to the season finale of the the porsche lorette like aren't you excited and he's kind of like uh i'm assuming what his reaction was sort of like wait there's someone else in the

33:32Ronnie Karam: picture what's going on yeah and he does the guy thing because he probably watches love island so he's learned fuck boy fuck boy talk my voice is really gone after the past couple of weeks but he's like yes listen i hear you and everything you're saying is valid and part of being safe and a safe space to you is letting you know that you're valid. Oh, for Christ's sake. Tell her you don't want her dating two people. I would. Why is this suddenly okay? Everybody's like, oh, that's great. Oh, we just had sex. Oh, yeah, that was fun. We've been dating for a couple weeks. We had sex. You told me you loved me.

34:09Ronnie Karam: Oh, you still want to date my sister? Oh, great, great. Go ahead. You know what? Safe space. Fuck that. I'm knifing the air out of your tires. Ronnie? What? Your feelings are valid. Fuck you with that, you fucking fuckboy. I'm listening to that. Honestly, on Love Island. 90 % of the time, my feelings are not valid, okay? And everybody's feelings and opinions are not valid either, okay?

34:35Ben Mandelker: Cut the shit. At a certain point, yeah. Like, honestly, there was an episode of Love Island sometime. Who knows? They all blend together. Where Corbin, the big, tall fuckboy, who every episode is like, Yeah, not good on Lucas. So this time, he's in the middle of it. he does he's like he's like your feelings are valid i was like wow if even this guy's doing your feelings are valid that means it's time to retire this okay this is getting worse than kyle richard's saying that something's on fleek your feelings are valid your feelings are like valid melanie your feelings are valid can i get a little kiss can i can i get a kiss

35:18Ronnie Karam: getting up with this okay so portia's like you know the thing is he wants to take it slow but then he still wants kids but then i have to do ivf and i don't want to you know he doesn't have kids and you know of course he wants a little pp and you know a little portion not a pp so and so she's like you know your quality and i will offer to take it slow with you portia you know he wants kids you don't want kids just get out of there it's not worth it for this storyline i do appreciate

35:47Ben Mandelker: though like porsche ending the streak of women on the real housewives recently who were like well ivf was terrible and i'm at an age where it would actually be dangerous for me and i don't want to do it i actually do not want to do this whatsoever but he wants a child so i guess i'll have to do it i'm glad that she's like yeah i'm not doing that again because we've seen like a few too many times and i i appreciate making sacrifices for your partner but sometimes your partner has to like readjust what they want for their life because it's just not fair to make someone have to do all the physical go through all the physical duress uh just because you have an idea of how you want

36:21Ronnie Karam: things to look in your picture frame well and also it's unfair because guys kind of have unlimited time you know like we see guys getting people pregnant when they're 90 like robert de niro or whoever who's still on your handle impregnating everybody and it's not really fair to like wait and then be like oh well i'm not getting as much ass as i used to guess i better settle down now with someone that's 50 and then make them have a baby. If it kills them, who cares? I'll have a baby. You waited. You did not shit. And you got off the pot. And now you have to poop. And now you're just going to have to take the rest of this ride having to poop.

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39:27Ben Mandelker: So now we go to Kelly's house. and um she's moving okay um she's moving because she doesn't like her home anymore and i thought it was going to be because of she wanted to get a fresh start with her ex and everything but it turns out that actually she also has a neighbor who's harassing her and i'd forgotten about this because i think we probably mentioned this at one of the crappy hours but she has a she has a neighbor who's a real issue a real a real bad neighbor this is a neighbor who did not take any any wisdom from the Mrs. Pools of the world or Vicky, the neighbor on, you know, Small Wonder or David Leisure.

40:06This is a bad neighbor and they have made her life.

40:09Ronnie Karam: Well, it's a bad neighbor, but listen to this. Okay. So I looked, I looked this up and read the stories. This is not that Kelly wants to move. Okay. Kelly has a protective order against her because she went over and attacked the neighbor at her home because first of all, she lives next to the HOA lady, the HOA president, which nobody needs that. I would never live next door to the HOA president. That's crazy. Because, you know, they're a pain in the ass. And I know there are HOA people listening to this and they're like, I'm not a problem. Okay, maybe you're not. But we all know that in general...

40:42Ronnie Karam: Yeah, the stereotype comes from somewhere. It's like, that car is ugly. I'm writing them a letter about it. I don't want to see that on the street. Their mailbox needs to be repainted. And someone's gonna do something about it it's gonna be me you know you're that person sorry so she's living next door to her this lady her name is perry perry i looked up she's also got like a acting is it perry close please it's please i i had it up here but i lost it perry if it was ross from frazier oh this would be a great scandal all right let's just have it be perry gilpin so it's perry gilpin perry gilpin's also got like some acting resume online where she's trying to get work in the industry, you know, whatever, which, you know, that's fine.

41:22Ronnie Karam: But just to give some background. So Kelly's kid is parking in the fire zone, I guess, consistently. She just keeps parking in the fire lane. And then the HOA Lady Perry is like, you cannot park in the parking lane. And she just keeps doing it anyway. So finally, Sherry just booted her car. She kept calling and getting the car booted. Now, Kelly is taking this and saying, this woman is stalking me and my children. No, your child is parking in the fire lane. And that's not okay either. Now the lady booting it, sure, that's, yes, going a little too far. So Kelly goes over there and gets into it with this lady.

42:03Ronnie Karam: She says the lady physically assaulted her, but the lady is saying that she came onto her property when it wasn't allowed and she got a protective order against her. So she might have to move. If you have a protective order against you, you can't be within a certain amount of feet within somebody. So that's everything I read, but it's a damn mess over there. And the way that Kelly is telling it is, she's been harassing me. She's stalking me. She's stalking Chloe. She's booting her car. I had to call the police. It just became out of control because I protect my babies. Well, you should also worry about the houses that want to be protected from being on fire and have your child stop parking in the parking lane see i knew you

42:44Ben Mandelker: were gonna get the real story that's why i didn't even bother i was like i'm not looking this up ron he's gonna tell me everything he's gonna know everything he's gonna have the whole thing all i do know is that you can't spell rhoa without hoa so it's that's true that we finally had an

42:58Ronnie Karam: hoa moment it's a full circle moment i will say this it puts me in an awkward position because Kelly makes me crazy on this show, but I don't dislike Kelly. I mean, I like her. I think she seems like a decent person. You know, she could do better on this show, but I like her. And her kids seem sweet. So what are you going to side with the HOA lady who you know is a fucking monster? So I don't want to side with her. But the main issue is parking in the fire lane, which we all know is annoying. Anybody who has street parking and then there's one person who's just like entitled to do whatever they want.

43:28Ronnie Karam: Or they'll like park in front of the full driveway so that the people have to like go – they have to go find you the person to move. You know those fucking entitled people. So I'm like, great. They got their car booted.

43:40Ben Mandelker: I'm on Perry Gilpin side on this one because we have that too. We have – it's townhomes and we have like a little driveway area. And there's one person who when they have guests over, they allow them to park in front of their garage. But like all the garages are in like one sort of like – it's like a townhome setup. It's like a U-shaped thing. And so like it blocks people and it's like, get a parking pass, get a street parking pass. Like the rest of us do. It's not that difficult. So I do, I know I'm on, I'm on Perry's side with this. Um, and so to that, I will say, Perry, your fire lane is valid.

44:14Ben Mandelker: I support this. Yeah.

44:16Ronnie Karam: So get the fuck out of the fire. I'm Kelly. But to hear Kelly say it, I'm being stalked. I'm being harassed. So maybe there's more to the story. I'd love to hear it. If it's out there.

44:25Ben Mandelker: I would love to hear more of this story too, which is that Kelly, you, uh, you're moving out of this apartment and you're going to move into Shamia's townhome while you find someplace. Uh, what happened to Jarvis? Did, uh, did, did that, uh, did that little, uh, the little sugar daddy situation kind of dry up there? Why is Jarvis not providing a roof for this family?

44:50Ronnie Karam: Oh yeah. Because 75 grand would have gone a long way towards a rental. that would have gone a long way and you're wearing your new townhouse in your mouth basically because you got your teeth done by jarvis kelly's let me tell you kelly is hooking it up now normally we watch these shows for aspirational women like we want to see shimmy it's like really rich people doing really glamorous things kelly is doing the opposite and she's going through it so i'm not really even making fun of it but she's she's going through it and she's doing the opposite she is just getting free shit everywhere she got the free teeth from Jarvis.

45:21Ronnie Karam: She's getting the free townhome. I'm assuming it's free from Shamia because she's got a Shamia townhome sitting around and she's getting free lawyer work from Phaedra later in the episode. Okay. So pay your employees then because the other articles that were coming up are you're not paying your employees. So come on.

45:40Ben Mandelker: She's not giving aspirational. She's giving desperational. So she's moving into Shamia's house townhome, which is fine. That's fine. I mean, look it's it's a it's roof over the head it's free oh look at that a fan has emerged

45:55Ronnie Karam: i got this found from the jellicle cats so i'm gonna put it away so i will stop clacking it

46:00Ben Mandelker: you can clack it whenever you will clack it whenever there's a point to be made that was also the sound of i feel like kelly's setting the vertical blinds in the town zone

46:11Ronnie Karam: you better get that fan out of my face kenya you better get it out you are nothing but a slut from the 90s

46:21Ben Mandelker: people are hating the point of the story is putting it away she moves into this townhome and there's nothing more to say about it it's just the townhome which by the way the kitchen looks identical to her the mom's town wherever they when shamia went to her parents house and they were making grits it looked like the exact same kitchen so it makes me wonder were her parents staying in that townhome do they have another townhome that looks like that these are the things that i'm most curious about not when will kelly get on her feet it's more like where were they shooting that scene yeah are they using this townhome was it a fake scene was it a fake fake home for the parents tell me everything yeah that's a good question i don't know

46:55Ronnie Karam: that's actually not a good question yeah it is the question that came into my head

47:00Ben Mandelker: the townhome because i was like this looks like the same kitchen not that it has any bearing on anything and if they did shoot that scene in this kitchen like it literally changes nothing but i just want to know i just want to know i want to know where everyone's house is

47:15Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So Shamia has food sitting out and stuff like that for her. And she says this is one of her very first investment properties that she bought within her marriage. And, of course, Kelly's going to get to come because she's a good friend. And now she can never turn against Shamia, unlike everybody else on this show. Yeah.

47:36Ben Mandelker: So, anyway, now we go to Stanton Park where Angela and her brother Lawrence are there and also Angela's daughter. is amari i think her name is i forget um amari but she amari she goes and plays and so angela's saying that um her she and her brother are very close and you know her mom had recently passed and so they now have a really sad scene where they talk about um losing their mom and grief

48:08Ronnie Karam: yeah um so we're not gonna make fun of that um and so then we go to well basically we find out that none of the siblings even know that amari got married so yeah she's like well i'm gonna leave it up to them to tell so then we go to the parks group attorneys and counselors at law and kelly is meeting up with Phaedra.

48:33Ben Mandelker: Mm-hmm. And so it's kind of fun to see Phaedra back in, like, lawyer mode because I feel like she's been in so many other modes since we last saw her practicing law. I mean, I believe her last occupation we saw was her Reiki healing and blowing into a recorder. So now she's back in, like, law mode. And so Kelly comes in, and Kelly's like, you know, Phaedra, I need a miracle on top of miracles. You know, everything is in red. I'm in World War III. When going through a divorce where the other partner is not financially helping you with a parent, it just becomes a burden. Phaedra's like, well, I went ahead and filed the emergency ex parte filing, clarifying your divorce settlement, but I might want to file another motion for child support.

49:17Ben Mandelker: And I was also thinking of going down to the courthouse and doing a Reiki Healy session on the judge. I don't know. Just throwing that out there. She's like, here's what I was thinking of filing.

49:27Ronnie Karam: A motion called... Could you please not tell me in Peter and the Wolf? Like, I really, really need to understand what's going on here. So it's like, okay, I'll be filing a...

49:45Ronnie Karam: Phaedra, could I get just something a little more specific? Okay.

49:52Ben Mandelker: Phaedra, are you doing rumble in the jungle? in the jungle in the 70s?

49:57Ronnie Karam: She's like, now I would like you to put your hand on the Bible. That is a dead person's hand. Yes, I'm into taxidermy. Hold on, please just put that to the side. I mean, Pasha. Phaedra also tells us that she's Phaedra Parks, lawyer at large, and she's like, I've won many commendations as a lawyer. And I was like, really? Like, what prizes do lawyers get? So I looked it up And let me tell you, she ain't lying. She's got, let me tell you what she's got. The 2014 Maynard Jackson Legacy Award from the National Bar Association. Okay. Atlanta's most popular lawyer in 2016. She got that from Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard.

50:43Ronnie Karam: Attorney of the, what's that? You're the most popular lawyer. Congratulations. Congratulations. Congratulations. Attorney of the Year, 2006. She got that. I don't know. I don't know who gave that to her. She got Georgia Super Lawyers Rising Star in 2005, 2007, 2009, and 2010 from Atlanta Magazine. It's a lot of time.

51:10Ben Mandelker: Shouldn't you only win Rising Star once? At that point, you've risen.

51:14Ronnie Karam: How many times do you get to be New Artist of the Year? For sure. I know. Top woman of influence commended by Atlanta Business League and named Rolling Out Magazine's top 25 most influential women. She was also – I mean, it's crazy. She's got a ton of stuff here. I mean, I didn't even know lawyers got awards. So good for Phaedra.

51:35Ben Mandelker: Yeah. She's killing it. So she's talking about filing these motions. She brings in her partner, Quentin, and he's talking about lawyerly things. and Kelly is like, well, there's a situation of me filming with my daughters and Phaedra's like, well, we've got to make the court see the importance of being able to show yourself as a mother. That is Paramount. As in, we could work out a deal for you to be on Paramount+. That would really probably help you out a lot. She goes, yeah, and if you want me to share my truth, like, don't put me on those things. I'm like, I don't know. I kind of feel like in this case, the dad's doing all of us a solid because I really don't want to watch Kelly and her daughters.

52:13Ben Mandelker: Like, let's focus on other things we're doing. I would rather we watch you play pickleball than have a scene of you doing homework with your daughters and talk about how hard it is. You got daughters. They're growing up so fast.

52:25Ronnie Karam: I want to see you train some people in Nana's. Personally. Show us how to make wobbles. Yeah. Nobody's been trained in Nana's. Go train them. That's interesting. So Phaedra's like, you know, this is my gift to you because I've been through a divorce and I know what it's like. And she's like, oh, my God. Are you serious? And she's like, yes. I am serious. And Kelly's like, oh, God, attorneys, attorneys, fees, court, all these fees add up. So it feels really good to rely on Shamia and Phaedra. I'm so thankful for the knowledge and the friendship.

52:57Ben Mandelker: You know, I always admire you. And I know that you are a stand-up woman. I will forever be indebted to you guys for that. Well, thank you. And thank you for acknowledging my new career as a stand-up. I'm working on some jokes. You can see me at Ha Ha's in downtown Atlanta later this week.

53:11Ronnie Karam: Thank you. So now we go to Montel and Kristen Jordan's house. Montel is a singer-pastor, and Kristen is also a pastor.

53:24Ben Mandelker: This is the twist I was not expecting, was for Derek and Pinky to go get marriage counseling from Montel Jordan. I didn't see this coming either. i'm like guys this just in i have decided to uh i'm doing some some work on myself and i've been doing some really important uh therapy with uh cnc music factory guys i've been feeling a little

53:52Ronnie Karam: bit sad and down on myself um robin's coming over later to just help me through this it doesn't

54:01Ben Mandelker: feel like but i know people are allowed to have multiple careers i know alanis morissette is a licensed therapist herself but i just don't know if i could really take any sort of counseling from anyone who was like a pop star at one point i just don't i mean i think i would love it but i don't know if i could take it seriously it would be hard to concentrate you know it would be i'm like, is this how we do it, Montel?

54:32Ronnie Karam: And who's we? Who's we? Does everybody do it the same way? Is that a huge thing, Montel? This is how we do it, baby. Are we going back in an old school jam? Pinky is saying, Montel is not only one of the greatest artists of our generation, but he and his wife have been marriage counselors, even before they got married. I think this is a thing You know, like in Catholicism or whatever, that's the only way I know what it is. But going through therapy before you get married is actually good because you learn a lot about each other that you would never be asking because you're so in love right before marriage.

55:12Ronnie Karam: I think in modern times, it's more of a red flag if you're going to therapy before you're married. What do you think?

55:19Ben Mandelker: I think it's good. I actually think it's really good. Probably important, right? Well, I think it's more of a red flag if you need to go to counseling before you get married. I think it's probably good if you're just doing it just to be preventative. But if it's like, oh, wow, like we fight every single weekend, we should probably go to counseling so that way we can justify getting married. That I think is more of a red flag.

55:41Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I think – but yeah, well, I mean I guess it's good. You go take care of your – if you care about that relationship, it's good to go talk to a therapist. I just can, you know, just starts like, this is how I do it, baby. No, this is how I do it, baby. No, this is how we do it, baby. Got to come together.

56:00Ben Mandelker: I just, I just really, it's like, well, you know, Dom and I have been going through some really tough times. And we're pushing through it, though, guys. And I think with some good counseling, I think we're getting on the other end of it. It's like, oh, who is your counselor? Kathy Dennis. Kathy Dennis. She just keeps singing too many walls over and over again. And finally we're like too many walls. She's on to something. I just don't know how I'd be able to like tell my, tell friends with a straight face. Like, like I'm seeing Montel Jordan and he may be a hundred percent qualified. I just don't know.

56:37I could be like, who is your counselor?

56:40Ben Mandelker: Montel Jordan. It's just such a funny concept to me. But then I'm also, I think I'm also like a little jealous because also it would be really cool to be like yeah guys i got counseled with montel jordan i'll uh i'll see you in about 10

56:52Ronnie Karam: minutes 10 minutes that's short it's like the length of a pop song well i'm i'm 50 minutes

56:59Ben Mandelker: into my session and i'm texting people so it was a full session guys so she's talking about how

57:06Ronnie Karam: um this couple share stuff with them they share stuff with this couple i don't know about that i don't want to hear about my therapist's life i want them to hear about my life i don't want them to share with me unless it's gum like if they have gum in their purse then i'm good i also just i i don't know i'm of the mindset that i i like a therapist who has done the schooling

57:32Ben Mandelker: and like is up on all the all the academic principles and this is just a choice thing because people go to different people for different help but i don't i've never been like a fan of like so here's a couple and they'll tell you how to be a couple also it's like when heather and terry dubrow did it or wasn't it um married to medicine it was happening well they do it every week every season with a couple's trip uh but for a while they had like a couple's they had like a couple's moment right where they would all like share with each other like how like check-ins i mean support group is one thing but i don't know i just want someone who's who like under like i just don't i don't know if i want to just sit with a with a with a couple that are like well here's what works for us because i'm like i don't know if it's really working for you guys you're just saying that's that way you can like you know be hired and then your marriage is going to fall apart next right yeah you had a friend who became a life coach she had just stopped

58:31Ronnie Karam: doing coke um she um had just gotten a divorce and she was unemployed and i was like i i I support your goals, but I think you might need more practice first.

58:47Ben Mandelker: Yeah.

58:48Ronnie Karam: You're not life coaching me. Are you fucking crazy? If you want$20, just ask for$20. Good God. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So now they're talking about what they're going through. Pinky's saying she brought her company back earlier, or she bought her company back earlier this year. It was the hardest thing she ever had to do. And she felt like her husband wasn't there for her. And he's like, well, you know, I was just coming from a place of like, I get it. And we've got this no matter what. And she's like, yeah, but, you know, I met him as an entrepreneur on my own. And you're an entrepreneur. And so I had my own inner aspirations that I want to succeed.

59:25But, you know, now I have to file for bankruptcy.

59:28Ronnie Karam: And Derek wants to bail me out. And I don't want to be bailed out by Derek because I want to prove that I can do it just like he can do it, basically.

59:37Ben Mandelker: And then Kristen's like, but that's pride. I love you. He's like, I know. Derek's like, I told her that. And Kristen's like, but that's pride. I think he's like, well, honestly I'm paying. And that's like not even financial, financially responsible for us to do that. But then it makes me tough because I don't want you to feel like you can't be there for me when I need you the most. And Kristen's like, okay, look, I'm keeping it 100. It's like, if you say it's pride one more time, I swear to God, she's no, no, it's not that. But here's the thing. This is temporary. Nobody's going to keep pinky down.

1:00:07Ben Mandelker: We know this. you are no longer a solo pilot so i think he's like well when derek married me derek knew what he was getting himself into and my decision to not get derek's help was it has not changed our dynamic i'm just really independent and he just he doesn't have to financially strain himself

1:00:22Ronnie Karam: to make sure that i'm good yeah i don't know um so she's like i'm just clack the fan clack the fan It's not worth a fan clack. I'm just, if they gave me a street sweeper at Jellicle Ball, I would streep the suite. Be like, enough. I would sweep the street, rather, and just be like, enough. Okay, enough. I like streeping it. Streeping the suite. Sweep the street.

1:00:53Ben Mandelker: Although I did actually like what Montel said here, believe it or not. Not for all my shade about a celebrity counselor. But he says, it's the marriage that makes your business even better. It's not the business that makes your marriage better. I thought that was a nice little chestnut there. It was a good one. It's sort of true. Although, I mean, the business will make the marriage better too, let's be honest.

1:01:19Ronnie Karam: Well, the business can make the marriage a lot worse. Everything can be better. Not to be negative. but you bail it out and then you still keep making the same boneheaded decisions that you were making. And then you waste the good money that went after the bad. I mean, this could go bad. You know what I mean? And I get her instinct to not mix this in with marriage, but what do I

1:01:41Ben Mandelker: know? Nothing. I guess what Montel is saying when he says it's the marriage that makes your business even better. What he's really saying is, thank God you've got this guy who made a fortune off of meat to make your vegan business better. Yeah, exactly.

1:01:55Ronnie Karam: At the end of the day, dead animals are going to come in and save this vegan business.

1:02:00Ben Mandelker: So it's kind of what he's saying there. So anyway, it's Pinky's base. Like I tried to be a better wife to my husband because we did not grow up with a lot of these examples. I never thought I'd experienced love like this. I mean, I was like, she was this close to singing Dionne Warwick when she said, I never thought I'd experienced a love like this.

1:02:17Ronnie Karam: No, there's a therapist. I would approve that one There is a fucking therapist I mean took on Lisa Rinna Single handedly In Celebrity Apprentice Hell yes That's what friends are for that'll be$5 ,000 Yes they have this therapy Section and then Pinky's like well wait a minute I have a question Montel Do you have a man cave and he's like yes And she's like oh I'm so tired of his Doggone man cave I'm not even gonna lie to you Listen this man has given you$5 million You better be glad he has a man cave That man better be able to keep his man cave He's earned the man cave for Christ's sake

1:02:54Ben Mandelker: He has a man cave but you've got a money pit So go to the cave Which is more comfortable I know Okay back to Portia's house And Phaedra is there And Phaedra's like Wow she's like Girl you shook up the internet You were talking passion and punani Yeah hot dogs and tacos So Pedro's like, why are you all trying to make Frick extra gay? Now she's running the flag right through Midtown.

1:03:27Ronnie Karam: She's like, well, listen, it's Atlanta. Everybody likes surf and turf here. Portia's like, not surf and turf. Even though they both agreed to be dating me and they know about each other, it's still awkward for them in their world. And she's like, yeah, selfishly, I didn't think about their reaction going public that I'm not only dating them.

1:03:45Ben Mandelker: classic Porsche whoops so um now they show up at Drew's house because Drew's gonna have like a little brunch and Phaedra's like well I know this is Drew's house we know that Ralph lives in the basement kind of makes me wonder if Pinky has a sister wife in the basement we saw a flashback to that moment when Pinky was fighting with Angela and Cynthia and Angela there too and Angela's saying it's hard because they're coming up on the one-year anniversary of her mom's passing so it's a lot about that this episode for her which is very sad so they are Cynthia brings up the gay stuff with Portia etc and Phaedra's saying that like okay Michelle's coming over and Drew thinks everyone's like oh really and Drew's like no and then Phaedra's like

1:04:33Ronnie Karam: I'm kidding don't you worry yeah so they start talking about the national anthem event last week and Portia's like yeah Drew's singing the national anthem and she killed it and when i got there she was trying to preserve her voice and drew's like they were trying to take my voice guys they were trying to take it cindy's like who she's like they were

1:04:52Ben Mandelker: trying to take my voice away basically binky called me to tell me about this project she's doing she wanted me to be a part of it's a series oh now it's a series it got up to series level

1:05:01Ronnie Karam: yeah it was a series last time remember because we were talking about the budget we're like 40 thousand dollars i thought that was pilot wow yeah and porsche is like well she's doing a series about her life and drew says nori not is playing her and they're like oh my god love notori love notori i don't know why i called her nori notori and phaedra's like uh yeah she's my twin everyone says i look like her like really and porsche's like yeah you gotta play little you gotta play little cam and um cynthia's like wait a minute does phaedra 2026 phaedra or back in the day phaedra because yeah i don't see that with this wig and angela's like notori non is playing pinky

1:05:42Ben Mandelker: she has notori must need to check because she knows good and damn well she doesn't look like pinky the only person i can see as pinky is mr clean so they cheers and um phaedra's asking if if um if the the event was ruined because of this situation um andrew says no i mean this was weird And Shamia wants to talk about Portia. Portia's like, me? And so we see a clip. We see a flashback to that of Shamia saying, I feel like I don't even know what the real beef is. I feel like I don't know. And Drew's saying to Shamia, I have never done anything to Shamia. And she knows it. It was a little smoke. And it got caught astray because I was beefing with her friend.

1:06:24Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So then Portia's like, well, I mean, I've been so pleasant and kind. And everybody laughs. Pedro's like, Portia, you are the problem. She's like, I'm the drama. Okay, well, we're going to get to that because I have something else to drop. Dun, dun, dun. And Cynthia's like, well, when Shamia was at Lake Bailey, she brought up something about you and her having some text exchange. And Portia's like, you know, I'm not going to defend a text message that was in private. When I'm around her, just like at your event, it was pleasurable. We're having fun. So that's all I need.

1:06:56Ben Mandelker: I'm sorry. Again, I feel like this is like a real issue between real friends. and i think that this should not be just like something that's hidden behind closed doors i really don't if they're both well they both are on the show they want to be on the show and their relationship has been exacerbated by the show but then they're going to talk about it behind closed doors like this is put it in the open give us something real to sink our teeth into because i think we as viewers really appreciate when there's real issues amongst in a friendship you know so i hate that they're just like i'm not i'm not going to talk about it that was in private no no yeah

1:07:29Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so Drew moves on. She's like, well, it was a great time, right? And at the end, Kay Michelle came. And Shamia was like, come meet us to go eat. So I go and I see Kay Michelle and Shamia at a table. And I was like back and forth. And Kay was just like, I don't like her. And then she got up and she left. And Kay Michelle didn't really say that. I mean, she acted like that. But she just got up and left. And Drew's like, she left her Chanel sitting in the chair. And Shamia said, you know what? I'm done too. And they're like, oh my God, they left you by yourself at lunch? She's like, girl, I was sitting there with my lemon drop and they left.

1:08:08Ronnie Karam: I'm never going to do that again.

1:08:11Ben Mandelker: And then a rainbow cake comes to the table from the staff. And then they're like, what is this rainbow?

1:08:16Ronnie Karam: It's in honor of you, Portia. She's like, stop it. Portia goes, I'll have one half of this rainbow cake and you can take the other half, Drew.

1:08:25Ben Mandelker: So they all start screaming and laughing. Porsche asked the big question which is Is Ralph in the basement today? And Drew's like oh yeah he's right down there And Porsche starts slamming her chair Like boom boom boom boom Tell Ralph to come speak to us Phaedra's like let's do a Morse code

1:08:43Ronnie Karam: So funny Okay so then we go to the skate party There's a big Dave's Cheese Steaks truck

1:08:50Ben Mandelker: And a slightly vegan truck there too Oh man This does sort of feel like a 90s rom-com It's like he makes beef, she makes vegan food, and together they found love.

1:09:01Ronnie Karam: It does also feel like when a Republican and a Democrat get married and then they go vote together just to cancel each other's vote out.

1:09:09Ben Mandelker: It's like George Carville and Mary Matlin. Yeah. God, those were the days. So Pinky tells us – she's like, I'm proud of us. We never really got to get the opportunity to let our hair down. So we want to use this opportunity to come together without thinking about bills, without thinking about business. and it really should have some fun i mean i was just waiting for angela to say something about pinky letting her hair down mr clean um so then derek is uh he's in a wig and everything and then um they're just it's gonna they're gonna have a fun this is extremely boring so we're gonna fast forward through guys this episode was tough i'm not gonna lie in case you couldn't tell i'm loving this season this episode was a tough one this episode sucked but um yeah we're gonna

1:09:54Ronnie Karam: to fast forward through most of this they brought like a guy for uh drew to date who she ignores the whole time and i don't really care because it's weird and then um they start talking about dennis a little bit and now we go to portia's house and dennis just walks right in and love

1:10:11Ben Mandelker: that we just roller skated right through this whole skating scene yeah i can't you know what

1:10:15Ronnie Karam: my patience is done i five minutes through this i was like why why are you doing this to me so it's over so then um we got a porsche's it's over and dennis walks right in and he's got a red box and he's like oh you've got pink hair i know what that means and i don't she says even though dennis can be destined madness i love him and he's a really good father and i really couldn't ask for anything else other than that even though we're not even together so by the way i want to say one

1:10:46Ben Mandelker: thing that was nice in the roller skidding scene was that uh we have a flashback that everyone brought um angela flowers and nice gifts because the the one year anniversary the death of her mom so it was a very nice moment for angela okay so dennis comes in and they sit down and she's like why are you acting so chill like what's going on with you and he's like i saw the blog in brooklyn and she's like oh yeah claude you're gone he's like you don't you don't think you need to slow it down she's like slow what down what am i doing you know when you're dating you don't gotta tell everyone what's going on and she's like okay dennis whatever please you're not the one to talk about yeah it's like you're confusing my daughter oh really she's like first of all no one's met pilar

1:11:28Ronnie Karam: i'm just enjoying being single and you had your opportunity do you remember that he's like sure and uh we see a flashback of them talking about the ring situation and porsche's like and when you did not bring it in december i met someone and boom i got in the marriage and you were like oh it's so fast well this is too much you're doing too much and he goes yeah but look you're already divorced from the guy she goes oh please things with you went too fast and here we are i was like yeah but i mean he does kind of have a point but she also has a point she's like i moved too fast with you now we have a family shut the fuck up it's how we move i'll tell you who's

1:12:04Ben Mandelker: moving fast is dennis becoming friends with everyone in porsha's life how about that so he's like this is very painful for me you know from the day we met i was very intentional from the beginning uh where are you dennis come on didn't you like yourself i gave you a baby i said let's go look at a ring and he's like it's like yeah and i appreciate that i went i got it done which brings me to my next point so he pulls out a red box he's like and it's basically the ring he's brought her ring back that she got for him yeah and um so he's like i brought the ring back

1:12:43Ronnie Karam: today she's like what is this supposed to mean he says well i waited around to see if we can maybe you know use it but i guess i can't do anything with it now

1:12:52Ben Mandelker: yeah it's a weird thing like if you're not using the ring anymore you do something with it don't give it back to portia this was just him being a dick uh because he's always a dick whenever she something is going well in her life and she's happy and she's she's liking her romantic options even if one of them is fake so he's gotta insert himself and hurt her in whatever way he can Wait, why are you saying she bought him the ring? She bought the ring? Well, maybe she didn't buy the ring But it was like, I assume that she bought I don't remember who bought the ring But it's definitely like, it was his wedding ring, right?

1:13:22Ben Mandelker: Isn't that what he's giving back? Because they were going to get married Right, isn't that his ring? Was it supposed to be his ring? I don't know, I don't know I didn't get it The point is, it's a piece of jewelry that means a lot And someone bought it And you know what, we are We are Kind podcasters We're not going to count people's money So whoever bought it, they bought it

1:13:48Ronnie Karam: I think it was the ring he bought her for the wedding But then they didn't have the wedding So he still has the ring, right? Oh, it's her ring I mean, that's how I was taking it So she's like Well, I didn't think he was going to give this back to me So she throws the box back at him You're doing too much She's like, why are you crying? I don't cry How dare you bring that ring over here? Like, I'm being all the way fucking for real. He's like, okay, well, there's no point in me hanging around. She's like, but you are. And even if you don't hang around, that's fine. But you gave it to me twice in this engagement that you fucking broke.

1:14:22Ronnie Karam: And you're the drama, not the drama, the drama. So he just brings this ring into play. Like, remember what we had? You were the one who fucked it up, Dennis. So she says that in a perfect world, she'd be with Dennis, But she doesn't want to introduce her daughter To a toxic household And she's like And you're not going to come over here And casually cross your fucking tight pants And fucking hand me that fucking ring With your ankle huggers

1:14:50Ben Mandelker: But like He's either giving So the ring that he initially bought for her That says they didn't get married He's still holding on to it But now he's giving it to her anyway That doesn't make sense to me Because I think he's being like

1:15:04Ronnie Karam: Like, okay, well, I guess if you're dating two people, we're never going to get back together. So I guess you're saying now that it's really over. So here's the ring.

1:15:14Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I'm just saying I believe that that is the case of what he's doing. I'm just saying, like, why would you do that? Why would – it doesn't make any sense why you would really do that. And also, like – and if it's his ring, it also doesn't make sense. The point is that Dennis drives me nuts. And I just never trust any of his gestures that he makes because I feel like there's always an alter.

1:15:34Ronnie Karam: motive there it's always very obvious he's he's coming on here to look like a victim and like portia's hurting his feelings and all he was trying to do was get this relationship back and he's putting in all this work to get the relationship back and he's just been saving the ring for when she's ready but apparently she doesn't even care about their daughter because she's gonna go on with two different people now like he's trying to be a big victim because he's worked his way into this show to shoot with all of these people and he knows he can have multiple scenes with Shamia or Shamia's husband or any of the other people that he's wormed his way into, and then he can have a victim scene about it and continue his Bravo ass pass.

1:16:13Yeah.

1:16:13Ben Mandelker: Well, he says, we clearly need to go to therapy because you're obviously not understanding what's going on. And I have just booked a session with Ashford and Simpson. So get ready. She goes, no, no, we're not going to. Didn't one of them die anyway? Whatever. There's no copay on therapy. So she says for the sake of Pilar, she'll be damned if I literally bring her dad in the house for her to see us together as a family and then break up. And he's like, but what do I tell Dr.

1:16:41Ronnie Karam: Millie? What do I tell Dr. Vanilli?

1:16:49Ben Mandelker: So she's like.

1:16:50Ronnie Karam: Tell them to learn the words. Get this ring out of my house.

1:16:56Ben Mandelker: well okay it's fine but i think the indigo girls will be very upset that they can't help us the indigo girls wow it's just like they told us to go to the doctor

1:17:09Ronnie Karam: yeah so that's pretty much it she's like whatever with dennis i'm always thinking about dennis's mental health i wish he would think about mine yeah no he's he's not thinking

1:17:20Ben Mandelker: about her mental health he's just thinking about ways that he can look better on tv and stay on tv and you know whatever and there's part of me that actually thinks this entire scene was concocted by the two of them anyway i just feel like every time they're on screen together they start talking like community theater it doesn't feel like it's authentic it feels like they arranged to have a scene and i just i'm like i was already checked out of the scene the moment it started i hate to say so um she slams the door he leaves she slams the door and then uh she's going to the producers and she's like, did you know he had a ring?

1:17:51Ben Mandelker: Did you know? And she says, Dennis has crappy timing. I'm coming out of a divorce. I'm trying to rebuild. My heart is very soft right now. And here you come bringing up old feelings and I always think about Dennis's mental health and I just wish he would do the same for me.

1:18:04Ronnie Karam: And then she cries. Yeah. All right. Well, you know, here's hoping for better next week.

1:18:11Ben Mandelker: It'll be, yeah, next week will be better. You know, every now and then you just got to throw in a, they've just, they've got to, they got to meet their episode order. They got to just throw in some junk in there and get through to the next good episode.

1:18:23Ronnie Karam: All right. Well, next up, we have Real Housewives of Rhode Island. We will talk to you guys later. Bye.

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