#3420 RHOA S17E12: Holler at the Baller

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1:49Ben Mandelker: What happens when there's so much that crappens? What happens when there's so much that crappens? What happens when there's so much that crappens?

2:02Ronnie Karam: Well, hello and welcome to What What Crappens, a podcast for all the crap we love to talk about on Bravo and beyond. Because this is House of the Dragons Week. Coming up. We're going to record that Wednesday because it's a crazy week over here. But we're excited. Ben, welcome to your show. Hi, how are you?

2:22Ben Mandelker: Thank you so much. Yes, we have a busy dance card today because we're doing Amazon Live and Crappy Hour. And we're recording Atlanta right now. Rhode Island reunion right after. So, you know, those dragons are just going to have to wait. They've waited long enough. I mean, they've got sheep to eat. They'll be fine. Okay? And we've all waited long enough. We waited five years for the between seasons. So two more days. It's okay, everyone. but thank you for your patience on that front.

2:48Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And thanks for being here. Like Ben said, today is Amazon live. We're also going to do a special Amazon live at 2 PM Pacific time on Friday for prime day. So join us for that. Tonight's crappy hour at five 30 Pacific time. You can find that on our YouTube and Patreon. It's free on Patreon. That's also where you find our free newsletter. It's like a big long recap, making fun of these shows that I write every week. And you can also get bonus episodes and you can get our discord server and ad free listening, which is a pretty big one. So thanks to everybody for being on Patreon, everybody who is.

3:24Ronnie Karam: And if you aren't, who cares? Thank you for being here as well. Okay. Thank you for being a friend. Thank you for being a friend. Yeah. You brought up golden girls and then I went downstairs and there's like a golden girls puzzle that I got for Christmas. It was just a spin on my mind. A lot of golden girls now.

3:39Ben Mandelker: Didn't I bring up the Golden Girls last week for something? I brought up something about -

3:43Ronnie Karam: The Valley. You said postpartum depression is like -

3:46Ben Mandelker: I compared it to an episode of Dorothy and Sophia. I meant every second, every word of it too. God, that episode made me cry. It's amazing how the Golden Girls will just make you laugh so hard and then suddenly you're crying. Ugh, the one with the park benches. Hey, that scene's for my friend. Someone's sitting there. If you know, you know, and you're probably already crying. um yes says be it golden girls uh the real housewives of atlanta way into this you're gonna get your ass kicked calling people golden girls hell no golden is a great golden is a great term it was one of the biggest songs of the let me tell you something as as is commonly referenced in pop culture now many of the women of this cast and other Real Housewives are the same age of the Golden Girls when the Golden Girls premiered.

4:37Ben Mandelker: So it's like, to me... Well, so am I.

4:39Ronnie Karam: That's why I'm taking offense to the term Golden Girls. Because I remember, you know, that came on when we were kids. And I was like, oh, they're so old. It's like grandmas. Now it's me.

4:51Ben Mandelker: Well, how dare you. It's us. Yeah, so we have the glow-up costs. It was this week's episode of real housewives of atlanta and we start at angela's house cynthia shows up angela says how much she just loves some cynthia she's like she knows she can get a good kiki with cynthia and uh she can always get the truth because cynthia is amazing so they sit down and cynthia's like what what you're already laughing about something i don't know you're giggling cynthia is amazing well also like we don't need to we don't need like an intro to who cynthia is she's been around a while by the way i want to mention really quickly this weekend i was so proud of myself because i did give i mentioned it somewhere on one of the episodes that as part of my college reunion um i was asked to give like a little quote-unquote ted talk so i talked how did it go it was great it went really well and thank you to all the people who came and um it was uh it was really cool uh i talked about lessons that we can learn from the real housewives my premise was that the real housewives have been teaching us about life for the past 20 years um and i brought up three housewives to illustrate how like you know what we can take away from them and i want to say that Phaedra Parks was one of the housewives.

6:21Ben Mandelker: I highlighted in terms of how to learn lessons about life. So, you know, I have to say shout out to Phaedra Parks for helping me get my little TED Talk. I don't know if I'll publish it. It wasn't recorded or anything. You should publish it.

6:38Ronnie Karam: You wrote it down, right? Put it in the newsletter.

6:40Ben Mandelker: I didn't write it down. You know what? That's a great idea. It's a great idea. For next week's newsletter, I will write down the lessons learned from Real Housewives over 20 years as evidenced by Countess Luen de Lisepse, Lisa Rinna, and Phaedra Parks. Wow. Well, I knew Lou was going to be in there for sure. Of course. You really could begin and end with Lou, and that's fine. It's all set. You were just giving yourself a reason

7:05Ronnie Karam: to talk about Lou for 20 minutes.

7:07Ben Mandelker: It just was funny because the other panelists leading up to it, it was like a research scientist with Adobe. it was someone it was uh a environmental scientist who's studying chemical um contamination of ground soil someone who started up like some sort of health tech thing uh the creator of satva mattress and then it was me i was like i'm gonna talk about the real housewives yes no one knew by the way i was like i was like countess luann de la seps it was like crickets crickets crickets i was like okay not a housewives audience but speaking of it was great

7:44Ronnie Karam: You know, and Sonia and all the other ones. I mean, talk about poisoning ground soil. They feed everywhere. God knows how many trees they've killed. You know?

7:55Ben Mandelker: Yeah.

7:57Ronnie Karam: Intersection. Intersectionality. Mattresses. Sonia Morgan and... It was great. It was great. Adobe. There's a lot of face tuning. I mean, really, you could... We actually all come together.

8:12Ben Mandelker: Yeah, it all comes together. Honestly, if you... Between image manipulation, mattresses, ground soil contamination, and Real Housewives, they all do kind of mix together perfectly. Yeah, truly. They represent Bravo. Yeah.

8:34Ronnie Karam: I mean, imagine if there weren't coffins, what trees would sprout out of Real Housewives once they were buried? crazy rubber poisonous trees just rubber trees actually but yeah i think the truth is that like

8:49Ben Mandelker: every rubber tree springs from a dead housewife real housewife that is that's getting really

8:54Ronnie Karam: dark and morbid now yeah okay so uh cynthia's basically here carrying bones uh to talk to angela and get her riled up about who else show me up because cynthia had a lunch with shimmy and so Cynthia's tattletaling that Shamia had so much smoke for Angela you know off their lunch where they fought and Angela's like I just wanted to eat and she's like oh she didn't even get the appetizer come on child and she's like no

9:28Ben Mandelker: it's an ongoing issue about this lunch button her not being able to have her wings or no kebabs kebabs

9:36Ronnie Karam: yeah so Cynthia's like Like the other thing she was sharing was about the surrogacy and also, you know, her mom is ill. And she says that she's been stressing about the mom. And so I was like, are you in therapy? And she said, oh, I don't have time for therapy. And I was like, well, none of us have time for therapy, but we still, you know, you go. Yeah, exactly. And Cynthia's like, well, well, that, you know, that's, that, that's something, you know, that's something for you.

10:06Ben Mandelker: You know, all this stuff you're talking about is very stressful. And Angela's like, well, that's the reason why she is. The bitch needs therapy. Shamia, you need to go to therapy. It forces me to make changes and take chances and take bigger risks and move forward with my life. Buying another house that has spiders in it. And it'll make you less afraid to say what you want to say, you know, and confront the people you want to confront. I'm like, so wait, we're saying that all of Angela's reads are because she's in therapy. I mean, that is a really good endorsement for therapy. If I could do a better read because of therapy, I'm going to like up the amount of times I go.

10:41Ronnie Karam: What they need to do is give Angela's therapist access, like one of those verification codes for her bank account. So every time she tries to buy a new house, the therapist can just say no, declined. That's therapy, you know? Sometimes the good therapist is someone who says, no, stop, bad, enough. And also, Angela, if we could all do therapy like you do it. I mean, today Angela and her daughter do therapy online and they're both just swinging back drinks. Well, shit. I know. I was surprised. She had like a martini too. She had a full martini and also not an end table. The daughter had to put her glass of wine on the floor, which also really stressed me out.

11:22Ronnie Karam: I need therapy after watching that therapy scene.

11:25Ben Mandelker: Yeah. I feel like martini during a therapy session is dangerous. You should be self-medicating while trying to get like, you know, emotionally medicated at the same time.

11:35Ronnie Karam: Yeah, mother-child therapy with a martini in your hands. Ooh. Been there, been there. And it wasn't called therapy. It was called Christmas. And it ended badly for, you know, 50 years. So Angela's like, oh, yeah, you know, my heart goes out to her, especially because you said, mom, you know, and I lost my mom. And so I get it. And she's so she says, I want to have a celebration of life for my mom. And I want to include all the girls. so I want to have this celebration of life I want us to all sweat and I want there to be no furniture so that we have to stand around in a circle and awkwardly yell at each other like we're in community theater

12:14Ben Mandelker: and use fan G's and use fan G's so Cynthia's like well you know what I did once? I did a belly bowl and Angela's like okay which was just like going to PE but on a different level I'm like I remember that belly bowl episode it was one of the most boring episodes of all time about the Real Housewives of Atlanta. Please don't bring the Bailey Bowl back.

12:36Ronnie Karam: And then they copied it. Or wait, who did it first? Potomac or Atlanta? Because one of them copied each other. And then now they're both annual things that we have to sit through every fucking year. I don't want to watch people do PE. Are you kidding? Yeah. I quit school so I didn't have to finish PE.

12:54Ben Mandelker: I think this is a strong note. Every Real Housewives episode that has involved some sort of field day or gym setting has been a dud because the activity usually takes like 20 minutes and we have to watch people show up in outfits and things like that we look at their teams and like we as the viewers literally could care less i would rather just like pull up headlines of the like iran war and look at what's happening there then watch what's happening and these like field day real housewives episodes

13:25Ronnie Karam: I don't want to play basketball. And I don't want to watch you play basketball. No offense. I especially don't want to watch your friends play basketball. What the fuck do I care what your friends play? I mean, if anything, at least let me watch you guys play basketball. You're having an episode where I have to watch your friends play basketball. I don't want to watch… And your assistants?

13:47Ben Mandelker: I don't want to watch basketball. I don't want to watch three-legged races. I don't want to watch potato sack races. I don't want to watch volleyball. I don't want to watch softball. I don't want to watch baseball. I don't want to watch flag football. I want nothing of that sort.

14:03Ronnie Karam: I will accept a three-legged race if it's someone with like a huge penis that they call three-legged. You know? Like if it's that, then do it.

14:12Ben Mandelker: They're just dragging on the grass. Well, yes. Yes, we'll always be open for that. By the way, I just want to say a shout out to all the new listeners from Dartmouth who tuned in to this episode because they met me over the weekend. We're like, oh, you have a podcast. I'm going to listen to it on your next episode. So glad you guys are listening to this great content. But anyway, yeah, a three-legged race with a penis dragging in the grass. Love it. Love to see it.

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15:02Ben Mandelker: I've actually been using Klarna for that because it gives you options. You can pay now, later, or over time, depending on how you want to handle it. Sometimes I'll split something into a few payments so I don't have to deal with it all at once. And I like that. I like that everything's super clear in the app. You always know what you owe and when, so there aren't weird surprises.

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16:58Ronnie Karam: That's rocketmoney.com slash crappins. Rocketmoney.com slash crappins. All right, so now we go over to Portia's mother's house, which is Portia's old house, which Portia is now selling out from under her mother. Where's her mother going to live? I'm still very worried about this.

17:16Ben Mandelker: Diane will be fine. I'm sure they set Diane up just like she... I feel like Diane has some sort of like... like dimly lit apartment that has like lots of velvet textures and like drapes and like palm fronds. I feel like she has sort of like, like, like a, like a bordello, but not like an actually working bordello, just a bordello style place where she can have like a one, like a divan and she can be in like a robe and like, there's just like, just gentle music playing. And she maybe has like a cigarette on like one of those long sticks. I I just feel like that is Diane's vibe, and she should finally be living in a space that reflects it.

17:58Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I agree. I think that is a good vibe for her. Like that old Bordello wallpaper. Yeah. Long couch that she's reclining on at all times.

18:08Ben Mandelker: Bordello-themed, but not Bordello. Yeah.

18:12Ronnie Karam: Oh, yeah. But, I mean, I think that brings up a good image. Or if it's a Bordello, like the Dolly Parton kind, where everybody's just so sweet, you know? You don't even really know what's going on in there Because you're just all so sweet The last one Yeah it was the last one Now we have the internet Oh god Okay so anyway They What

18:39Ben Mandelker: No don't You just keep going My brain is all scrambled If you think of a Golden Girls episode

18:46Ronnie Karam: That Mordello episode of the Golden Girls Oh yeah that was a good one

18:51Ben Mandelker: No, in my mind, I was thinking it was called The Last Little Whorehouse in Texas, but it's the best little whorehouse in Texas.

18:56Ronnie Karam: You're right. It was the best. What was the last whorehouse? Best and last. They probably still have whorehouses. Never mind. Sorry, whorehouse people. There's people in a whorehouse right now that are like, excuse me, the erasure. I don't know, but Dolly Parton's had great Yelp reviews, apparently.

19:14Ben Mandelker: It's an entire musical about it.

19:17Ronnie Karam: so um okay now miss diane and portia are talking um about how the house is completely bland because she's had to make it saleable which means that she had to remove any personal things out of the house and she's like where's my portrait of myself gone now gone yes yes miss diane

19:42Ben Mandelker: it's gone yeah they're gonna be uh selling it and um portia is uh is excited she's gonna take everyone portia and phaedra are gonna take everyone to scotland uh because they basically just portia just got back from scotland i mean let's face it she was there for about uh i don't know 48 hours so she's like i want to redo so uh so she and phaedra are taking all the ladies to scotland to have kind of a traders like vacation um it's the second time now that the real house wives have done a tribute to the reality show that one of their cast members has been a part of because of course tamra did it on orange county about a year or two ago yeah there's like a lot

20:25Ronnie Karam: of rehashed things in this episode we've got an intramural day we've got that we're going to going to the traders land or whatever. We do have something kind of new, which is business talk from Portia. Portia Logic on house selling. Portia tells us she's moving the house because when you're looking at moving around assets, if I can sell a$2 million asset, make a million and keep the$7 million asset and take out its equity, we're making smart business. Is it? If you've got a house that's a million you've got a million dollars profit but then you've got this big mall house that you really don't need that seven million dollars is it worth it to keep that house how much do you think that house is i don't really know that much about real estate but i'm horrified listening to i was like really i would sell a million dollars get the million dollars put miss diane in a in a fucking cardboard box somewhere and take that million dollars i kind of feel like

21:27Ben Mandelker: sell the$7 million asset because you didn't actually put any money into it in the first place. So you're just making straight up$7 million and then do something else with it. Like that's pure profit in my mind, you know, whereas like now if you take the million and then you take out equity on the 7 million asset, I don't know. To me, that just sounds like debt is around the corner. Like you're taking out on this and going to invest in something else, something bad's going to happen. I don't know. But you know what? Also, one thing I learned from this weekend at school i'm not a business person so yeah i know i listen to myself starting

22:02Ronnie Karam: i'm like yeah i'd listen to myself starting that a lot who the fuck are you i don't know anything about money i just heard all those numbers flying out of porsche's mouth and i was like oh yeah because then i was thinking it's simon's house i mean simon's old house and so how many loans are taken on out on this house and i don't know i think it's bad juju

22:24Ben Mandelker: His house is too big. Don't keep his house. Don't keep his house. It's bad juju. Plus, it's nice and petty. It's that way if he wants to come back for his house and it's already sold, he can't even have it. So, like, just get rid of it. Like, why? I mean, get rid of both houses. How about that? I don't like either one of them. Sorry, Miss Diane. We already have a plan for Diane. We know where she's going to go. We already set that up. I say, Portia, you just get a new place. Surely there's some Toya's vacating a mansion somewhere that you can take over.

22:53Ronnie Karam: Yeah, and so get Kim's. Go get Zolciak's. I think the audience would love that.

23:04Ben Mandelker: Well, let's not put her into a shack.

23:08Ronnie Karam: Poor Kim Zolciak. So now Portia is talking about the ring that she got back from. I don't care. I don't care about any of this. Like, wah, wah, wah. I have to say. For the diamond ring back. Portia, come on. And Portia has like fake thing after fake thing happening on this show. And I really love Portia, but I don't need all this fakery.

23:30Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I agree. I agree. You know, and this is like my, this is one of my fundamental issues with Portia is that she's such a great real housewife, but she really provides fakery. It feels like with, or not really even fakery. I just feel like she has planned out these scenes for us and they're just not as interesting to us as she thinks they are. And I just, I just wanted to do better, you know?

23:56Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I'm not going to cry about you being offered your diamond ring back.

24:00Ben Mandelker: I'm really not. I just want, especially when like, like, oh my God, I can't believe he gave him my ring back. I'm like, weren't you the one that was just talking about? Like taking out equity. Like you just got some money. Take out that ring, sell that ring.

24:13Ronnie Karam: Yeah. You're talking about smart business decisions. Sell that shit. Okay. And keep Diane in her house. God bless her. Okay. So now we go to Kelly. Speaking of financial issues, it's another week of Kelly's financial issues. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. If this doesn't make you want to save five damn dollars, I don't know what will. But I'm starting to get stressed out watching Kelly because every week, although this week I was like, what's she going to get for free this week? Because she's been given a lot of shit for free.

24:43Ben Mandelker: She is now freeloading up a sale. So she goes and meets with Johnny, her financial advisor. her and uh he's like okay so um how much do you think you're bringing in per month so she says she says about 75 000 and then um but then the other that well nana's and mcdonough brings in 75 000 but the other one in sandy springs brings in 15 000 so yeah she's just sort of just having some financial issues so he starts saying like okay well what are you let's talk about your let's talk about what money you the money that's going out so let's talk about your car payment first so she's got a range rover that's about two thousand a month with six hundred dollars of insurance kia sportage baby turn that one in come join the kia army range rover is

25:33Ronnie Karam: extreme i'm not saying and listen the keys are beautiful too i'm not saying you have to go you know like all the way down but a range rover is that's extreme that's really expensive and then And he's like, okay, beauty and makeup. And she's like, lashes or no lashes. Like, this is not cute. Okay? And she says$2 ,500 for beauty and makeup, which I guess there's glamming because you go on TV. Yeah, I get that. That's a loss. When you don't have any money,$25 ,000. I mean, I don't know. I'm so stressed. But it's also so thankful to be a dude when I watch stuff like this. Yeah. You know?

26:15Ben Mandelker: I mean, I get it. you have to look good you're on tv there's all sorts of very complicated societal implications of how one presents themselves on tv different talk about intersectionality yada yada yada i get all that but also you're out of money so tiktok is free even i know how those girls do it themselves

26:40Ben Mandelker: yeah if like freaking like you know like if anyone if anyone on on love island is can sit there in front of the mirror and and do the whole process you can do it too like we could save some

26:51Ronnie Karam: money here and then um hair 1500 a month uh well he's he gives her he's like more or less than 1500 and she's like more duh he's like okay 3000 and then we get a a bunch of her looks flashing up on the screen and then he she doesn't really answer that so now he asks her about clothes more than 5 000 and she's just like okay more than 7 000 a month kelly we've seen your clothes i mean cost a lot of money to look this cheap speaking of dolly parton he's a famous dolly

27:26Ben Mandelker: parton maybe we shouldn't have made fun of the fact that she's been wearing a t-shirt in her interview look. We want her to cut costs and here she is. She put on a t-shirt. We should at least embrace that she made some

27:38Ronnie Karam: That was like a Gucci t-shirt.

27:40Ben Mandelker: That wasn't some

27:42Ronnie Karam: just plain t-shirt. I mean, if she was rocking a Hanes and making it look high fashion, okay. It's not like that was a cheap t-shirt.

27:51Ben Mandelker: Remember when Sharon Stone showed up at the Oscars and she was just wearing Gap? She was like, isn't this amazing? This is Gap, everyone. Everyone was like, what? Do you remember that? I have a distinct memory of that happening.

28:02Ronnie Karam: And famously, Michelle Obama was like, this is Banana Republic. And people are like, what? And then Banana Republic is like, thanks, Michelle Obama. Now we're going to charge$250 for a shirt.

28:14Ben Mandelker: And famously, Ben and Ronnie of Watcher Crapids have been like, this is from Ross Dress for Less. So, hey, like the point is we can always find ways. We can find ways around things. So then Johnny's like, okay Well What about your dog? And she's like, what? Some of the expenses attached to your dog We see $500 a month for dog wigs She has a wig Budget For cha-cha

28:51Ronnie Karam: I know that's supposed to be cute But I'm just like, I'm feeling for you because you need the money okay come on cha-cha wasn't even 500 damn dollars well cha-cha probably was that's like a designer doc um by the way kelly's t-shirt was a tom ford t-shirt i looked it up so it's you know it wasn't thank you i guess it was reasonable okay i know everybody was wait a minute where was it from though get unique low like what i'm wearing right now in fact i'm

29:19Ben Mandelker: wearing this is a unique low t-shirt that's basically like a fake um what's it called buck mason you know or i'll say buck mason buck mason's great they're not cheap either mason well no i mean well that i have i have like two buck mason shirts but then i get a bunch of unique lows that look like buck mason so you put in like one or two really good ones but then you put in some like you know$30 ones and you sort of like mix and match and you know no one will ever know it's like wait was this the buck mason day was this a uniqlo day and the and in the confusion in the haze they just assume it's all glamorous i hope yeah yeah everyone's like oh my

30:01Ronnie Karam: god where is that cotton t-shirt from oh my god um yeah guys are lucky in that regard you know give us a few cotton t-shirts and like three pairs of pants we're generally we're fine a couple button downs are okay but still this is stressing me out so he's he she agrees to settle on 8 500 a month on clothes so uh that's crazy so he's like we're at 22 000 a month now and she talks about how in her marriage she never had to worry about bill she was truly a housewife and she didn't even know how to make a car payment and she's never had to figure anything out about debt and stuff and he's like okay so can we pull back on cha-cha and she's like

30:47Ben Mandelker: how dare you not cha-cha not cha-cha of all of all people in places um so yeah so now we go over to the point is that she is she's just like circling the drain of financial ruin and it doesn't look like she's ready to make any sacrifices as we'll see later on in the episode now we go to nip and tuck plastic surgery very on the nose pun intended for a plastic surgeon's office and so we have Kay Michelle and she's meeting with Dr. Jones further a follow up about her booty situation and the various pieces of plastic that are circulating within

31:29Ronnie Karam: yeah and so they're talking about her butt again And she jokes that it's her 15th ass But she's very traumatized by this one And so they talk about How to fix your butt, basically And then we go over to Angela's house I mean, Kelly Sorry, K. Michelle Bringing a lot of ass talk What else do you want me to say?

31:51Ben Mandelker: So let's go to Angela's house Okay, Angela's house So Angela is with Amari Her daughter, her grown daughter and there's tension between them. And so Amari's like, what's wrong? She's like, nothing's wrong. I just, I talked to Wendy. I mean, that's why I'm so shit-faced right now. You know what they say. Happy hour is therapy hour.

32:15Ronnie Karam: It's Wendy o 'clock somewhere, am I right? Turn around for me. So the main crux of this tension is that Amari got secretly married to her wife and and angela you know didn't know and now angela wants her to tell the children and amari doesn't want to to which i say that's amari's fucking business it is it is the end business because amari tells us that this isn't just about getting married this is also uh having you know now you have to have a talk with the kids about gayness and you know stuff that they don't really understand yet and she doesn't know how they're going to react to that and she can come out of the closet when she got down what wants to angela get another storyline geez well it is it is it is

33:02Ben Mandelker: amari's choice and it's her decision about when uh when she tells the kids but also like i mean there was i don't know i had like a little bit of a weird reaction to this like why are you like like in 2026 i don't know it felt like it's all over tv and it was on tv last year why are you suddenly like afraid to tell your little siblings like don't you want to like like like i understand if maybe it's a situation with like co-workers or something like that but like your little siblings tell them you know i it was it was surprising to me and it's like i don't know i i didn't understand why it was so shrouded in secrecy in all honesty well there's

33:44Ronnie Karam: obviously i'm saying that well there's obviously still a ton of homophobia in the world and stuff like that so i would get that but you're right you're on tv and it's been it's the second year

33:54Ben Mandelker: it's been on tv so they're just like kids the thing is they're gonna find out no matter what i think that's the thing there's an inevitability that they're gonna find out like why it just seems like such a strange thing to hide from the kids i'm sorry it really is to me and i think like if you like you like why you're getting you got secretly married and then like It's out there. Tell the kids. They're going to find out. You don't want them to find out from their classmates, which is what's going to happen.

34:23Ronnie Karam: Generally, I find that kids are the most accepting because they have little brains that soak everything in. Kids are definitely a lot more understanding of things than adults are. 100 % they are. Yeah. I don't know. That's everyone's choice to make on their own. And it's just weird seeing Angela push this on TV. And I keep thinking, well, maybe it's about something deeper than this. But it's not really. Because Angela's like, we're going to talk to Wendy about it.

34:52Ben Mandelker: Honestly, I get Angela. Because in my mind, Angela's like, okay, so you have this whole secret marriage, which is very hurtful to me that you don't want to include me in this. You have the secret marriage. And now I've got to tiptoe. I've got to turn everything upside down for you to keep the secret. What's even the point of the secret in the family? and I've got to turn everything upside down and I've got to sneak all around. When this was kept secret for me, I have to be your accomplice in something I don't even want to be an accomplice in. So just fucking tell the kids so we can all have a normal life.

35:25Ben Mandelker: We can all sit around the table and have a nice time together. So I kind of understand why she's frustrated.

35:30Ronnie Karam: Well, they do sit around the table and have a nice time together because this woman that she married is known as her best friend for years and years. So everybody already knows this woman. And it's just, and they obviously love and accept her already, but they don't know that she's, that Amari's a lesbian. And so that's the big conversation. So, I don't know. And then Angela's making it, she's saying, you're, you know, you want to be a kid, like act like a little kid when you're in this house and not take responsibility. But then you want me to treat you like an adult when you're not in this house.

36:03Ronnie Karam: And I mean, I get, and Amari's like, I pay my own bills. and she says okay so she goes okay Angela's like okay but what do you call I'm sorry I'm stuttering but Angela's like okay then what do you call it and she says yeah it's super I'm like should we talk about this but but is she some more so um Amari's like well Amari says okay well I'll be grown and then I won't come around anymore is that what you want she's like that's not what I'm saying I think Angela needs something to talk about and I don't like that it's this hey Bonnie rate well here's the thing um i yeah she probably is airing this out because she needs to have a

36:44Ben Mandelker: storyline um i do think that this is a little bit more compelling than portia you know digging up some going back to the dennis dennis uh pot to find some content um but um amari is explaining by the way amari is wearing ariana's dress in the confessional i shouldn't say it's not ariana's dress but ariana wore this dress on love island it was this black dress that had like souped over and covered like one of her boobs from like behind and like oh yes it was kind of like one of those massage things that just kind of hangs on you yeah and so i was like wow and then amari wore it so i was like oh this dress must this could be the new mugle look um so amari tells us you know So I'd be more like the producer asked Amari, what if you were married to man, would you be okay telling the kids?

37:34Ben Mandelker: And she goes, yeah, I would be more willing because that's the norm and that's normal in society. And you see that every day and you see it in Disney movies, you see it everywhere. But maybe in a couple of years, I'll tell them. So obviously, as gay men, we understand what it's like to be like, oh, this is like, it's a big talk and society, yada, yada, yada. But I just kind of feel like you're on TV. The kids are going to find out. And it's 2026. And I think there's a lot of LGBTQ representation, I feel like, in Atlanta. And I just think that she should at this point tell the kids and be like, I'm married.

38:09Ben Mandelker: And just start them young with the acceptance journey.

38:12Ronnie Karam: Yeah, that would be nice. But I mean, everybody's on their own. Everybody has the right to do that on their own time. But when I was younger, I've been gay forever. So when I was when my cousins were very young, you know, they're two of my best friends now and adults. But when they were very young, I made some comment in front of them like, oh, my God, that guy's so cute. And they're like, you know, it wasn't really anything. And my uncle was like, whoa, you can't talk to kids about stuff like that. I said, like, what? I didn't even think twice about it. And he's like, well, kids don't have an idea of sexuality yet.

38:47Ronnie Karam: But so you saying something like that opens up this whole conversation with kids. And, you know, you have to be aware of that. You know, he wasn't being mean. He was just like, you have to be aware of that around kids. And my response then was, I don't fucking care if your kids are going to have a problem with it. That's your conversation to have. But they're going to see gay people.

39:08Ben Mandelker: So, yeah, that's sorry.

39:10Ronnie Karam: You know, it's not like I'm out there like talking about sucking dick or something in front of your kids. It wasn't anything sexual. It was just like, oh, that guy's cute. Or I made some gay comment. And then we had a long talk about it. And he was like, oh, I see that. Just while it sounds like I'm throwing my uncle under the bus. But yeah, to me, it was no big deal. But I understand that everyone has their own journey.

39:35Ben Mandelker: And I agree. Everyone has to come out of the closet when they want to. um but uh you know yeah i i it is it is hard to see her catering to this idea that like oh talking about someone being gay might be like too much for someone who's young because that's so antiquated right these young people are exposed to the lusts and desires of straight people from when they're like zygotes right it's all over tv it's all over pop culture as it should be of course everyone's allowed to have like express who they love and they care about you know and it's all there and it shouldn't be like a radical thing to be like oh no we have to break it to the kids that they could also work in homosexuality it should be like it's all in the mix together right and so i don't love that that she's like if that is one of her impulses i don't love that for her as someone who is who is 25 and is of gen z and i feel like the gen z kids are pretty progressive about these things and so like that i think is a bit disappointing also i think what's funny, I think the reason I started to think about what am I really bouncing back on or bouncing off of, is that I feel like when you come out of the closet, the big talk is like, what's going to happen with the elders?

40:48Ben Mandelker: Are my parents going to be mad at me? Are they going to disown me? It's like you care about the people who've nurtured you all your life and you worry about getting rejected from them. But for the kids who are younger than me, fuck off. You better accept me. You're the little runts. I'm the older one here. You've got to accept me.

41:05Ronnie Karam: My taxes pay for you to go to school, you little fucker.

41:08Ben Mandelker: Fuck off! Okay? You want a ride? You want a ride to the store? You better accept my gay ways. Yes.

41:17Ronnie Karam: Okay. Yeah, I hurt.

41:20Ben Mandelker: You know, I understand having to really have some soul searching before you tell your parents. But for telling your little brother and sister. Now, of course, I was the baby, so I've never been in that position. You were the older sibling. but I just sort of had this mindset like no no no no no I have enough I have a hard enough time

41:37Ronnie Karam: dealing with the parents I'm not gonna yeah I was also 15 like I'm gay I'm so gay like I was in musicals and you know the community theaters and but I was lucky because I also knew a lot of older gay people so it wasn't as crazy to me it was you know I had I had good examples in other words so you know i don't know it's different for everybody like who knows what she's grown up with or what their family you know but i agree with you fuck you little kids i'll be whoever the hell i want you you adjust to me justin i know exactly commercials here comes one right now this episode is sponsored by clarna you know when you buy something practical like groceries plane tickets or honestly i just did a whole i need a new summer clothes because apparently none of last year's clothes survived my emotional support snacking era situation.

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44:49Ben Mandelker: I know, exactly. Wait, by the way, before we move on to this, was it in this scene with Amari, or is it in a future scene in the episode where one of the siblings who they're trying to shield from this news came lurking down the staircase and listened in on them? Oh, God. Yeah, it's this. It's this one. So, yeah. There you go. Oh, yeah, it is. It was this one. Yeah, Avon came down this. So there you go. See, like... I just wanted him to look at the camera and be like, I already knew. So, anyway. Phaedra's getting back into business.

45:20Ronnie Karam: Well, even without hearing, most people, when you come out of the closet, they're like, duh. You know? That's like most people's reaction to gay people coming out. At least for me. Because I was a big duh. But everyone's like, really? The only people who didn't believe me was my mom. Well, the only person was my mom. I still don't know that she believes it. She's like, you're doing this to hurt me. I was like, really? That's a big step to take to hurt you. I'll just hide your Franzia. Like every other time. I wanted to hurt your ass shit

45:52Ben Mandelker: so then we go to so Phaedra is getting back into business with Willie Watkins and then we go to the Milano de Rouge fashion show which does not feature any Milano cookies but it does feature Pinky's daughter walking which she's really a breakout star of the season and then we go to Shamia's house she's already a total little diva

46:11Ronnie Karam: the way she poses she is she's great yeah somewhere Shamia's And she has a whole nail salon in her house, apparently. Wow. Yeah. And she and her mom are giving up your huge acting career for. So she and her mom are talking about going to Scotland and everything and making jokes about how the last big cash trip, Shamia's luggage took forever to arrive.

46:41Ben Mandelker: So she had to borrow other people's clothing and everything. And she's saying how all the ladies are on her neck. And speaking of being on my neck, I haven't really been bothered with Angela. And it's just crazy because she invited me to, I think it's called Maggie Madness. It's like this Bailey Bowl. So basically it's the Bailey Bowl tribute to Angela's mom. And she's talking about how it's a field day. It's in honor of Angela's mom who passed. and she's like, I'm not going to cause any drama because, you know, like, I know, you know, you know, you've been going through with your health and everything, and this is an important thing, so I'm not going to make a scene.

47:19Ronnie Karam: Yeah. How many annual things does Cynthia get, by the way? Because she has this. Doesn't she have the Lake Bailey Q or something? Yeah.

47:28Ben Mandelker: She has the Bailey Q. She had, I don't know, was there a period of time where she had an annual tryout for her agency or was that just a one-time thing it just feels like it was i think

47:38Ronnie Karam: that was one a one-time thing but you get one i think you get one thing you don't get two so um then we go to that's my rule so then we go to and i'm gay by the way tell your children so then we go to portia's house and uh she's just you know having a conversation with her wigs which i get and uh drew comes over and now they're like besties and portia's like guess what i want you back in my business yeah uh drew also was like by the way i saw that you've been banned

48:09Ben Mandelker: from nigeria of course is like no it's my my residency has been revoked but i can still visit um but yeah she is basically offering to drew um she's like i want you to i want to be back in business with you even though it was only last year that she basically fired drew from go naked hair but now she's decided that she's gonna offer drew kind of like a vertical within the company because she already has like a go naked for like Cynthia has like a wig line and everything. So we're going to do a Drew.

48:42Ronnie Karam: She's when she's talking about how her is how Simon is just trying to start shit with this Nigerian citizen citizenship stuff. She's like, I mean, I don't care. Every time he posts about me and tries to get negative and tries to get a lot of attention, we make a ton of money with go naked hair. Last time he posted about me, we made fifty thousand dollars in a day. How does that work? How is someone like, oh, God, Simon's a jerk. I need some new hair. I'm going to.

49:10Ben Mandelker: Hey, I think it's like the Loverboy effect, how people started buying Loverboy to support Kyle, to be like, you know what? This is how we're going to make our impact.

49:19Ronnie Karam: Yes, I support you. It's like holding up your hair. I support you. This is for you, Portia. So, yeah, she's going to have Drew back in her business for Go Naked Hair, And Drew's like, well, you know, I'm so glad we're friends again, but I'm going to have to make sure this is done right this time. I have a business manager. Like, oh, God.

49:43Ben Mandelker: What could go wrong? I don't see this turning into a giant fight later on. Sounds like that very professional group of people that you have around you, Drew, will handle this properly, and there'll be no friction whatsoever with Portia.

49:58Ronnie Karam: yeah the best part of this scene i think is learning how to properly eat a wing because i didn't know i'd love this i actually really needed this because

50:06Ben Mandelker: i watch some people eat chicken wings and they are just like clean bones and i always have i eat them like drew and i always have the little gristle on the end and watching portia give like a little lesson i'm like this is this week's like big educational moment last week i was all about the twirling spaghetti on my fork with a spoon. This week it's about chicken wings.

50:28Ronnie Karam: Well, there you go. Now you know. Now you know. So Kelly goes to meet her realtor, Tamika,

50:36Ben Mandelker: to look at - To downsize into a one-bedroom apartment. Just kidding. She's going to look at a townhome with an elevator.

50:43Ronnie Karam: Yeah, that's four stories. You need an elevator. These four-story townhomes are like a thing now. And who's doing that? It's too much. Go live on the top, and then what do you do when you forget something in your car?

50:56Ben Mandelker: Oh, it's a nightmare. As someone who lives in a townhome, it's a nightmare. The worst is you're on the – so I have a – my townhome is – it's a three-story, a three-story thing. But it's actually like – it's like an annoying three-stories because the steps are supersized. So it's really like four-stories, but it's only three-stories. Anyway, the point is that if you're on the top, anyone who lives in a townhome knows this, the life of a townhome, which is that you're upstairs and like, oh, shoot, I can't find my thing. I must have left it downstairs. So you go all the way downstairs and it's not downstairs and you realize, oh, wait, it's not here.

51:36Ben Mandelker: So then you go back all the way upstairs. It's like maybe it was here all this time and it's not there. So then you go down to the middle floor and it's not there. And then you go back down all the way to the bottom one and then you come back up. and like you've done so many flights of stairs to find a stupid pen and it was right where you found like you could have it was right where you like were it was like under a flap of the duvet

51:53Ronnie Karam: and you're like why and your legs are killing you it just sounds like a nightmare because i forget things i lose things all the time i lost my phone i went and got on an ipad to do a find my phone the ipad wasn't connecting properly so i had to go to the computer go upstairs go to the computer to do the find my phone guess where the phone was in my pocket it was in my pocket i thought it was my wallet yeah so four floors uh no um do it but she does and anyway it's seven thousand dollars per month which is insane that's crazy that's a pretty crazy it's like home mortgage was that

52:31Ben Mandelker: is that a rental it's a rental 7 000 on a rental yeah no lady and her budget is four um and so

52:42Ronnie Karam: kelly's like well wait do you think financially i can do this kelly why are you asking some why are you asking the realtor what you can do financially and honestly tamika's so nice because most realtors would be like yes you can do it you got approved for the loan fucking do it yes you're doing it well i'm a commission based person why are you asking me uh yeah to make us like to be honest i'm gonna keep it at 1000 um you're just gonna have to

53:08Ben Mandelker: suffer for a little while okay like you cannot live this way get some bunk beds we're going to ikea we're gonna find you some bunk beds and we're going to rethink our budget okay yeah so kelly

53:21Ronnie Karam: talks about how difficult it is to downsize how difficult it is you know we get it okay so then we go to Angela's house and listen we saw the Monica Garcia season of Salt Lake okay and also your like other scenes in this very episode I mean one minute you're at the financial planner talking about spending eight grand a month on clothes and the next minute you're like

53:46Ben Mandelker: can I afford this no no you cannot afford Jervis well I say hey Jervis could you um did you get me a spot because honestly$75 ,000 that is that's basically uh 10 months of rent at this townhome i just want to point out as well not nothing so let's like let's get the priorities like let's let's just rearrange the things that we want to focus on a little bit

54:13Ronnie Karam: and get bunk beds yeah okay now let's go to therapy with dr wendy angela's got a full martini Amari's got a full glass of wine Let's do this

54:23Ben Mandelker: Party time With Dr. Wendy I love Dr. Wendy by the way I love a crunchy therapist I feel like they're not profiled enough on Bravo A lot of the therapists that we see Are kind of like made for TV therapists We're like very excited to be on TV But like I love that Wendy found Like a crunchy Crunchy, crunchy therapist lady Who feels like she should be in like Burlington, Vermont But for whatever reason she's down here in Atlanta

54:50Ronnie Karam: Burlington, Vermont

54:51Ben Mandelker: She'd have like dream catchers, you know Because we visited her last season With Charles, which is funny too Oh, Wendy

55:00Ronnie Karam: 100 % has dream catchers Oh yeah

55:03Ben Mandelker: Lots of dream catchers

55:07Ronnie Karam: And like jute rugs Yep

55:10Ben Mandelker: Tea kettle going Yeah, a truly smelling Bird feeder

55:19Ronnie Karam: yeah okay stained glass things that spin in the wind yes all kinds of wind chimes you know her neighbors like oh for fucks how many wind chimes do you need what she's always walking down the

55:34Ben Mandelker: street asking if anyone has anything that they need to compost because she's going to set up a composting thing so um angela is uh facetiming and she's saying how since amari is heading home soon. And she's like, you know, I didn't like the way our conversation ended and I didn't want to become estranged from my daughter because I need my daughter and I want my daughter in my life. She's not someone that I'm willing to throw away or that I'm willing to not talk to. So Dr. Wendy's like, so what would you like to get out of this today? Aside from getting shit face, which evidently you're doing on my time.

56:06Ben Mandelker: Thank you very much.

56:07Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And Angela's like, well, I want to make sure I talk about boundaries and I want to make sure that I'm heard and that, you know, I'm here for her, but I want her to feel included, but I also want her to build a life for herself and not punishing me for allowing her to do that. What does that mean? And Amari is just kind of rolling her eyes at the camera with her glass of wine. She's like, whatever. And Amari is telling us, she tells us, I mean, at least fake it for the therapist. that's where you're trying to get the therapist on your side you know what i mean that's where you should be like what i don't understand what my mom is talking about so mara said mara tells us

56:55Ben Mandelker: i didn't understand why i had to tell my siblings i didn't see how that was relevant i didn't see how that was making any progression in our relationship like if i wasn't even comfortable enough to tell my mom what makes you think i'm comfortable telling my siblings that Yeah.

57:10Ronnie Karam: And so Wendy's like, well, does it make sense to you that that's what she wants? And she's like, no, I mean, you pushing me away or establishing your boundaries makes me feel like you don't need me. And I feel I just really need her to know. I really need her now more than ever, you know, since we lost my grandmother. and so they talk about how it's the anniversary of her death and amari says that the grandmother used to be the person that kind of relayed you know she got both of them so she could you know do the decoding for each other their relationship she was the she was the mediator yeah and dr

57:48Ben Mandelker: wendy's like well there's such powerful relationships with your grandmother and your mom right and um and then angela angela and amari start to like it starts to thaw a little bit this with like bump shoulders. And Dr. Wendy's like, you know, as you, as you take a breath to let her go, how about, how do we want to be with each other? So Angela's saying that she just feels like her mother being gone is playing, had played a huge dynamic in her relationship with her daughter and her mother was the mediator and it's just like, it's, it's just very, very difficult for them. But somehow this becomes very positive.

58:22Ben Mandelker: Dr. Wendy becomes the new mom and she's like, Angela, take a look in her eyes look her in the eyes and say would you like to make a dream catcher with

58:32Ronnie Karam: me because i'm giving courses for that if you want to come by ask your mother this why does it smell like patchouli in here oh god i love that lit um so it was i guess nice because they hugged at the end but we still didn't really get to the crux of the issue which is telling the kids and whether or not that's important, but whatever. So then we go to Bailey Bowl and Fangie presents Maggie Madness.

59:03Ben Mandelker: Did Meanie title this? I was about to say, what was it? This is like gays and girls, black and white seafood soiree. And also wear white. And also wear all white party.

59:18Ben Mandelker: So Angela, she's telling us that they're throwing this party, this basketball thing. And her mom loved college basketball and then she tells Charles, well, I know you don't know a lot about basketball, but I can teach you. We're going to have a ball. And he's like, whatever. So

59:38Ronnie Karam: everybody shows up with teams. They all bring their friends and assistants and family or whatever and talk about how much they love basketball. And then Charles is going to ref, as you said. and Cynthia's like, welcome to the second Bailey Bowl. And also Angela's mom and fans. Literal electronic fans. Seafood and girls and games. So she names... Oh, go ahead. Oh, no, you go ahead. You keep going. I was just gonna say she names all the teams. Angela gets to name all the teams and, of course, gets as shady as she can. Pinky's Team Chatty Patty and Phaedra's the Godfather.

1:00:20Ben Mandelker: and who else do they have here? Well, Shamia is Team Sasquatch and of course Shamia gets to have a classic Shamia moment that just lights the internet on fire where she's like, I love basketball. I talk about basketball, but playing basketball, I mean, you know, dribble the ball a little bit, pretend to go through my legs, shoot it, might not make it in, but at least I shot my shot. Oh my God, oh my God, shot o 'clock. Shot o 'clock. Aren't I hilarious? It's enough.

1:00:48Ronnie Karam: So we go over the team's names and stuff, and Angela is saying that Kelly is always paranoid. What did she say? Oh, no, Kelly is Team Minion. Have you ever seen one of those Minion movies? Those are cute. I've seen the previews for them. They look really cute.

1:01:07Ben Mandelker: I am surprised they did not cut in footage of the Minions here. Was it on Atlanta not too long ago when they said Minions and they just showed footage of the new Minion movie? No, it was. See this is Like there clearly was a directive To include minions in all these shows Because there's a minions movie coming out Yeah And then so

1:01:30Ronnie Karam: He was doing like an Instagram post Like you want to call me a minion Well here's me and all my friends Stroud like minions

1:01:39Ben Mandelker: You can't have an opinion without being a minion So Kay Michelle's Is her team is team um like k-ops or blind ops i'm sorry not k-ops blind opposition blind thinks everyone's out to get her yeah yeah exactly um this goes on for about 20 minutes the naming and the then the basketball pinky's team pinky's team has she's recruited maybe not the exact players i'd recruit for playing basketball but you know hey like get it's all about having fun and uh they're all playing they play there's a lot of playing a lot of cheering a lot of fun a lot of hilarity a lot of heart a lot of emotions and a lot of minions tie-ins i like when angela told charles she's

1:02:25Ronnie Karam: like do you know why i named her team sasquatch because she said i have big feet and he goes well i mean everybody knows you wear big and she gets she gets upset she's like excuse you and he's like i mean look how are we supposed to walk around how are you supposed to walk around wearing a six or seven you'll fall over um so then they play and they play and they play and it's fun and i think it's one of those things like skating last week where you're like boring but you know commenters like that was fun you guys are jerks okay it's like to talk about it yeah a little bit but i mean to talk about it it's not fun it's fine it was like it's pleasant to watch but what do you

1:03:07Ben Mandelker: want me to say they shot they went for the ball right like le prince dribbled i don't know i mean like there's nothing to say there's nothing to say it was a fun and game sequence to pad out the episode okay we all know it we all know it um so eventually once all the basketball settles down then all the women line up so that way they can have an end of the episode uh squabble um

1:03:33Ronnie Karam: um so hilarious they literally stand in like a semicircle and angela's like okay thank you for coming to support my mother and my fans and oh yeah oh cynthia let's fight i know this is so awkward can we sit down somewhere can we order some french fries shamio so where's gerald and

1:03:52Ben Mandelker: shamio's like he's working it's a work day and pinky is like well she said we don't have any shit to do because we're just here that's what she's trying to say and angela's like well i know Shamia, you mentioned that I was coming for your marriage and that couldn't have been further from the truth. Shamia's like, what are you talking about? Because you said that you saw Gerald. And so she's like, and I feel like you're spreading the narrative about me. And if we're talking about patterns, you are the one who said that you thought I set my husband up. And Shamia's like, no, that's not what I said.

1:04:26Ben Mandelker: And then you're saying that you knew my husband and he was outside and all these things. She goes, Angela, you're the one that said you're only with the Hawks, so you can have early, easy access to the players because you fuck all of them. So now that, to me, is coming from my marriage.

1:04:40Ronnie Karam: And she's like, and you never did. Are you sure about that? She's like, oh, my God, please just bring forth somebody, okay? Bring them to me. You became relevant because your last name and because you fucked an NBA player, okay? And they're like, whoa, whoa. And Angela goes, and buried him. She's like, okay, Oakley. She goes, but I hadn't married him. She goes, well, you had to fuck him first, right? But I hadn't married him.

1:05:05Ben Mandelker: But then Pedro goes, but it's usually how that works, though, right? You usually fuck first and then marry, right? So I came and she was like, in this moment, Angela, there's like a lot of things to worry about other than Shamia. From our conversation, your mother was everything to you, and Shamia's going to twerk and be a Shamia, so you can't do that.

1:05:21Ronnie Karam: Yes, it's kind of a miss of an Angela episode for me. I'm not really sure. I'm not really buying the, like, we need to talk about my daughter's sexuality stuff. And now, like, this standing in a semicircle at a thing you're having in your mother's honor to start fighting with someone about, you know, calling each other hoes and stuff. Yeah.

1:05:42Ben Mandelker: I just, I think this is honestly just an example of the producers needed to fill out the episode order. And, like, we're just, like, biding time to get to Scotland. and I think this is like, I don't know how they fix it. I don't know how they fix it on the production end because if you only have 13 episodes of content but Bravo says we want 14 episodes, like what do you do? How do you fix that? I think it's up to Bravo to start saying things like, okay, you only have 13 episodes. It'll be 13 episodes. Yeah, I understand.

1:06:15Ronnie Karam: I'm going to say for the millionth time, normalize 12 episode seasons because this is ridiculous.

1:06:19Ben Mandelker: But you know, it's not about that specific number but the point is that like, Bravo may say, okay, okay, we want a certain number of episodes. And your point is right. We should just have shorter seasons in general. Just that way, every episode we have is a really strong one. But I think we need to build in flexibility for these shows because sometimes they just don't have enough to get to that episode order. And we wind up with these perfectly fine episodes, but it kind of feels like it's kind of like episode extras that could live digitally or on Peacock. And we could just get right to the meat of it, keep it leaner and meaner.

1:06:52Ronnie Karam: um i think well atlanta's done such a good job at coming back you know because they were down for a while so they've done a really good job coming back but you can't just shove every season to be the you can't make every season this long and listen beverly hills had the same problem you know it's a lot of them are having the same problems and then you've got then you've got things like uh rhode island which is perfect it's like and granted that's new so it's going to get

1:07:21Ben Mandelker: fewer episodes but didn't feel like there was a filler episode in there it was it was really yeah it just and i understand i i understand that like with the networks also they need these seasons to be a certain length as well because like one show leads into another it sets up another franchise to come in you know as as as atlanta goes out a new show is going to take over its time slot there's usually some overlap they use it to launch other things at this it's It's way more complicated than just being like, oh, just make this one shorter. I get that. But I kind of feel like quality has to be number one.

1:08:00Ben Mandelker: And if your season has to be just a little bit shorter, I think you should do that. Because this episode, last episode too, was a little weak, I felt too. And it's been overall a very, very strong season. So how great would it be just to have a super tight, wonderful season without any of the fluff?

1:08:18Ronnie Karam: Yeah. out so portia's and everyone's just standing there staring at each other like really we're retreading this stupid fight at basketball like come on and portia says okay so is there any way that we can just move forward and angela's like i will never mention your name regarding shimia again portia and shimia's like oh hallelujah then and she says any issue i have for shimia is how she shows up for me and portia's like um yeah you guys have more issues besides me Why are you bringing me up? And she's like, no. I'm like, it started with you in Nashville. And so Shamia's like, and Drew goes, that's true.

1:08:54Ronnie Karam: And Shamia's like, well, not you. I'm winning, lapdog. Shamia's like, well, I'm, and the lapdog is back.

1:09:01Ben Mandelker: So Drew's like, well, I have to agree because you're issued. He's like, no, not you. I'm just saying, but when I agree with people against you, you call me a lapdog. And Drew's like, but your issue with me only started because of Portia. Shamia's like, so what are you doing? because I'm not even talking to you, even though I was actually kind of talking to you just now. But now I'm not talking to you anymore. I'm talking to her. And Cynthia's like, wait, what happened to you and Drew? I thought you guys were going to work it out. She was like, no. It's not a negative thing. I just don't want to be called a lapdog.

1:09:28Ben Mandelker: She was like, well, we can't talk. There's, like, nothing to talk about. Like, when we tried to talk, she got up and left. It's like, okay, it is what it is. Like, goodbye to you.

1:09:35Ronnie Karam: Well, I got up because you called me a lapdog again. Oh, God, Shamiya, geez. and Drew's like but you were being a lap dog and Portia's like wait whose lap is she on I'm sick of my lap my lap is empty

1:09:50Ben Mandelker: so Pinky is like okay so Shamia are you good and Shamia's like I'm good she goes and you're good with you and you and Kay are good as well and Shamia's like wait what I have an issue with Kay because what Shamia doesn't know is that Kay now is back being upset at someone because last episode you know Kay was talking about how Shamia had her at the club and Shamia put her hands on Kay's face was like, I'm the only one who's willing to be friends with you. So Pinky's like, yeah. But Pinky realizes that as she says this, I believe. I think Pinky realizes, oh, this has not been broached yet and I'm not trying to start a fight between these two.

1:10:28Ben Mandelker: So she's like, she kind of walks it back. She goes, oh, I just felt a little uneasy. I felt a little something between you two. I don't know. I have no idea. was something up between you two? Okay, Michelle, would you like to take it from here, please? And

1:10:43Ronnie Karam: Pinky's like, I just feel a disconnect. I mean, I don't know. I don't know how to explain it. And Portia's like, where? Because, you know, Kay Michelle's like,

1:10:53Ben Mandelker: I'm not doing this here.

1:10:54Ronnie Karam: No, I'm not doing this standing in a circle. I mean, at least normally when I come to these things, I get fed. You know? And so she won't answer. And so Pinky's like, here, I feel the energy is here, right? and Cynthia's like uh okay yeah sure it's a little disconnect it's a little something something but no one's playing so it's just like

1:11:16Ben Mandelker: yeah and Kimish all is like yeah yeah um not you pinky no nobody just vegan I feel like in the moment of the game everyone's attacking me for everything and if I'm your friend you're just

1:11:25Ronnie Karam: gonna find out from me yeah so I mean good good for friendship bad for a show so uh Phaedra's like okay well Angela we had a great time and I hope you feel your mom was memorialized in a positive way and starting a war at your mother's memorial oh

1:11:46Ben Mandelker: Shamia is like this is so fake this is so disingenuous like why can't we right our wrongs why can't we nip things in the bud and move forward I'm like do you remember going to the coffee shop the kebab place with Angela and coming in hot and calling her a sasquatch because I don't know if you're the one to talk about why can't we nip things in the bud after that. Why is it that when you address a problem with one person, now everyone wants to attach themselves to that problem and attack that person? I don't even know what I did wrong. I get it. You don't want me to be part of the friend group.

1:12:16Ben Mandelker: I get it and it's hurtful and it makes me not want to be part of the friend group.

1:12:21Ronnie Karam: Okay, bye. So Angela's like, well, let's just get on this plane to Scotland then. And they all cheers and Shamia looks upset as she leaves. and that's that

1:12:31Ben Mandelker: yeah basically they're like we just needed to set up something to talk about in Scotland and it looks like we've got it okay it's about Shamiya alright off to Europe and that's that

1:12:42Ronnie Karam: alright everybody thanks so much for being with us we will be back a little bit later with some Real Housewives of Rhode Island reunion talk to you later bye

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