#3421 RHORI S1E13 Part One: Slam, Bam Reunion Ma’am

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1:45Ben Mandelker: Watch what crap is. Watch what crap is. Who cares what happens when there's so much crap is? Watch what crap is. Oh, I mean, what's your crap? Who cares what happens when there's so much that crap ends?

2:02Ronnie Karam: Well, hello, and welcome to Watch What Crappens. I'm Ronnie. That's Ben over there. Hello, Ben. Hello, Ronnie. How are you? Good. What's going on with you today, baby?

2:14Ben Mandelker: Not much. Just, you know, I'm really excited to talk Rhode Island today. What's going on with you?

2:20Ronnie Karam: It is the Rhode Island first reunion ever, everybody. So welcome to that. Thanks for being here. As usual, if you want this recap on video, as well as all of our recaps on videos, you can find those at patreon.com slash watch what crap ends. You also get ad-free listening, bonus episodes, a free newsletter, Discord server. So go over there and check that out. And thanks to everyone for being here. We're also doing an extra Amazon Live this Friday at 2 p.m. Pacific time for Amazon Prime Day. We will be shopping with you for Amazon Prime Day for deals. Okay. Today, Real Housewives of Rhode Island 113 Reunion Part 1.

3:08Ben Mandelker: It was a good one. What a good reunion that they put on for us, huh? Yeah, it was really funny.

3:16Ronnie Karam: i don't care what anybody says i love liz i think she's so fucking funny i love that she's completely i don't i don't even know like is it drugs alcohol just general looney tune nidness i don't know what it is but i think it's hilarious and i crack up the whole time her whole like leaning back in her seat just being like oh oh you're so scaly you're so scaly

3:42Ben Mandelker: I love Liz as a character on this show. I love the concept of her. I love what she's doing. I do think she seems very mean and scary. I also feel like she's also full of love. It's weird. I think she has sort of like that Dorinda effect. Where Dorinda, I feel, is full of a lot of maternal sweetness and love. But she also can be very, very scary. And I think Liz is in that camp where she can do both at once. which I think is what makes her so compelling and why she gets the first chair and why she commands a lot of our attention. But what's funny to me is how Liz is just deeply perplexed as to why people find her scary and people are intimidated by her.

4:23Ben Mandelker: And this is her biggest issue, but I'm like, just watch the show. Watch how you behave there and watch how you kind of ridicule people when they're trying to express things to you. And you'll see how you – and you do it with a smile on, a big rictus on your face. and then you'll realize why people think you're scary yeah and you know like you said it's her

4:45Ronnie Karam: main issue because it's apparently happened her whole life because she started off the season being like everyone everyone thinks i'm scary oh boo boo but i'm not i'm just a big teddy bear no you're you're you know you're you're scary and i think that it's okay you know it's okay it's like monsters inc you know they were like so paranoid about everybody thinking they were so scary but what a cute movie you know i'd watch it again just be be okay with being the monster

5:17Ben Mandelker: under the bed yeah exactly um rula also was uh she was noteworthy in this episode because after basically phoning it in all season she was like i really gotta step it up for the reunion so she was going overboard trying to earn her second season so she was and you know she she did it i mean i do think that if she has a second season she'll be probably more active because she realized she was barely in the show um so she was going she was going hardcore trying so hard but she's not very good and she she kept on trying to go for joellen i'm like real you're just never gonna win joellen joellen this is like the forum that joellen joellen was built for like she i feel like When she was in her juvie camp, this is what they did.

6:00Ben Mandelker: They had Real Housewives reunions. They sat around all the kids. And they're like, okay, you're going to have a reunion now. They're like, again? Yeah, you're doing it right now. Because she was just like, I don't know. I felt like she just ate Rula up. But I applaud Rula for realizing what she had to do and going after it.

6:20Ronnie Karam: Joellen is also very, yeah, she's been practicing for this for a long time. But she also does have a lot of awkward, you know, like, I'm yelling at you now because I'm out. And she keeps doing this white. My favorite thing about Joellen, I think, is her big innocent act, which I think it's so funny how many people fall for this. But she literally will be like, what? Me? What? And then be yelling at you and then immediately be like, what? Me? How could you? You know, it's so funny. I love that. It's so funny and so funny. And I have to say, like, all of these ladies, I actually really like all of them.

6:57Ronnie Karam: I think they did a really good first season. And I think that they're great. I thought it was so funny. And even the ones I don't, you know, that I don't agree with or whatever on specific stupid little issues. All the issues on this show are literally so stupid and so fun for me. Except the husband cheating and all of that. But even that has become so silly with, like, it's almost. yeah like getting all this footage of you and like where did this footage come from are we gonna find out in the second part because that's the question i where's this footage coming from who is the person giving it to you why are you still friends with them is it you is it you are you going and are you because i think joe ellen's in the bushes taking pictures personally

7:45Ben Mandelker: yeah i'm joe ellen is very active with all this stuff for sure but um yeah i think it her innocent act is funny but you know i love a real housewife that that does the who me thing i do think it's so hilarious it's like very campy to me like leanne locken in her prime this was like classic leanne locken um and so she's not i don't think that joanne is as over the top as leanne like leanne was you know like she was oh like she was melodrama incarnate like she was just so crazy. I mean, because she also had the carnival storyline and everything. But Joellen shows signs of that, like that ability to be really killer.

8:26Ronnie Karam: I guess there's kind of a cross there because Liz has the more like

8:30Ben Mandelker: you want to bow at me? You know, she's got more of that attitude. But Joellen was great and honestly I think that when Rula, we'll get to this again later in the episode, but when Rula's like, you're a slut and when Joellen leans forward and goes, your husband's a slut. I was like, okay, done. The reunion's over. That was such a great comeback. It was such a great way to turn that around on Rula. And the way she just elongated that H sound. Your husband's a slut. I was like, oh, this is Joellen's machine. Joellen was built for this. Why did Rula ever think she was going to get out of this with Joellen?

9:08Ben Mandelker: It was just the funniest mismatch. It was great. Also, Rula is standing

9:14Ronnie Karam: up for something no one's going to get behind. It's like your husband's clearly banging people. The season ended with your husband being arrested for putting a tracker in your car. And you're sitting here fighting to the mat against somebody who's calling your husband. It's just weird. It's weird. And funny. Yeah. And funny. Yeah. Really, really funny. So the big news is Rula got a new nose, which, you know, obviously I'm, especially as I age, I'm a big fan of starting to be a big fan of the plastic surgery stuff. You know, I'm going to go get a waddle removal myself, so I'm not throwing stones.

9:52Ronnie Karam: But as a leb, you know, as a Lebanese, I'm like, oh, not the nose, not the nose. Like F. Murray Abraham just can't show up with a button nose. You can't do that. You're F. Murray Abraham. am but she did it and i think she looks really pretty and they're all of course commenting on

10:10Ben Mandelker: it the whole time yeah i will say that she got a nose job you know what's funny is that um you know who was uh you know who was in my i was at uh dartmouth reunion this weekend and people may not know this but a member of my fraternity back in like the 20s or 30s was dr seuss and for some reason I was thinking about that but anyway Rula's nose job I'm happy for her

10:38Ronnie Karam: she got it so the housewives are all coming doing you know their first arrival at a reunion and Joellen of course is like I come with receipts I come with receipts

10:50Ben Mandelker: I want to see them and whose phone are they from wait to be fair this is the real houses of Rhode Island and she literally probably just has receipts from the supermarket she's like I have my I've got to return this. This package is damaged. I've got to bring it back after this reunion. So can we hurry this up, please? Thank you.

11:08Ronnie Karam: They're like, sorry. This was a Whole Foods drop-off, and you're at UPS. Wait a minute. So Liz, you know, they're just all saying hi to their glam and getting their stuff started. And Ashley is telling Rula how pretty her nose is. And she's like, we all like a little enhancement of refinement. something something

11:33Ben Mandelker: yeah a little something something something so then Rosie is in Alicia's dressing room and she's like she looks a lot younger like I thought she got like a facelift if I'm being honest yeah Brian's probably happy like sleeping with another woman huh I know but like in a good way but in a good way in a good way so then Liz of all people is like scary stuff laugh. So then they're like, oh, it's 9.36, everyone. 9.36. And he's like, okay, we're coming on the soundstage. And Alicia's like, are we ready to go out here? I was like, okay, I'm going to soundstage. I'm going to soundstage. Ashley is first out, so Andy's like, oh, wow, you look gorgeous.

12:19Ben Mandelker: Are you about to cry? Please don't cry. All I said, you look gorgeous.

12:24Ronnie Karam: Then Rosie comes out, and there's like a pond, and they have to walk over the bridge to get to the set, which is super weird. Why do they do that? What's the other one they did that on? Was it Salt Lake City where they put like a pond in the middle of them?

12:38Ben Mandelker: Why? What are you doing? Are they hoping that someday someone falls into one of these water features on the reunion? I just feel like it's going to happen at some point. And I think that they sort of want it to happen, but they don't want to necessarily be accused of setting it up. So they're just hoping that one of these days someone's either going to trip or someone's going to be pushed.

12:58Ronnie Karam: someone is going to be pushed that's what they're hoping for you know is the big push into the push into the pond thing it's time for a commercial it's time for a crappin's commercial god organizing finances is so stressful it makes me crazy i've gotten to the point where i literally avoid looking at my bank account because it just freaks me out yeah it's just a language i don't

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14:42Ben Mandelker: I've actually been using Klarna for that because it gives you options. You can pay now, later, or over time, depending on how you want to handle it. Sometimes I'll split something into a few payments so I don't have to deal with it all at once. And I like that. You know, I like that everything's super clear in the app. You always know what you owe and when, so there aren't weird surprises.

14:59Ronnie Karam: And it's not just for huge purchases either. I've used it for everyday stuff. And you can even get cash back and deals in the Klarna app, which honestly feels like kind of a smarter way to handle spending day-to-day. Less pressure, more flexibility.

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15:17Ronnie Karam: California resident loans made or arranged pursuant to a California financing law license and MLS number 1353190. Klarna balance account required to be eligible for cashback points, limitations, terms, and conditions apply. So Alicia sees this pond and is like, oh my God, it really switches like a mermaid. It switches like a mermaid. I love mermaids.

15:40Ben Mandelker: Gotta love a mermaid. Gotta love my mid So Alicia goes over the bridge And says welcome to Rhode Island They should make it look like the seawall Where the ongoing happens Yes The seawall ongoing

15:56Ronnie Karam: So Rula comes out Alicia's like I'm obsessed with the Rula la yeah wow You know they all come out And Joellen comes out And says everybody looks so pretty and Lissa's like, do I look like a mother of the bride deal?

16:15Ben Mandelker: Yeah, and so Andy's like, alright everyone, welcome to the Real Housewives of Rhode Island season one reunion, or should I say welcome to Rhode Island, bitch! I'm Andy Cohen, ready to shuck some oysters at this beautiful seaside marina. But instead, I'm grilling Rhode Island's most iconic pearls. See what that is. Hi ladies! Hi Andy Liz Good to see you Did you take your dinghy here

16:49Ronnie Karam: Yeah and then Alicia says Did you drive yourself here tonight She says I did not And he goes good

16:58Ben Mandelker: Kelsey I didn't hear a siren when you pulled up She's like no I left that at home today Okay and you left that at home Okay Joellen who is watching The kids

17:09Ronnie Karam: they've been sent to juvie yet yeah she's like not my mom andy it's like wow still dissing that free free child care from the mom you just don't even care if that

17:22Ben Mandelker: woman ever takes care of your kids again or what yeah seriously um so yeah i'm like if they're if you're getting like free babysitting it's like my mom is wonderful she's great i take back everything She should have just abandoned me in a pit somewhere in the middle of Arizona and I would have been happy. She's the best mom ever. And then when they turn 18, you'll be like, fuck her.

17:47Ronnie Karam: I love his dissing of road tripping through this whole. He kind of like, I love his low-key dissing of the show Road Tripping. He's like, hey, Rosie, does this feel like the set of Road Tripping? She's like, no, this is way better. I know. Hi, Ashley. think we'll get any tears from you today absolutely Andy okay Rula you uh look like you should your face a little bit wow talk to me about what's different he does this like little cockhead thing talk to me about what's different well after 25 years of debate I decided to finally

18:24Ben Mandelker: just go ahead and get my rhinoplasty and the very minuscule lift lip while I was at it Andy She's like, okay, great. Well, I just want to point out that since you mentioned the nose backstage beforehand, I was able to ask you about it on stage now. Okay, I'm not a monster. All right, well, you ladies went from regular Rhode Islanders to Real Housewives. I'm so curious what it was like, especially for you, Rosie, coming from that shitty, shitty road tripping show. Am I right? Alicia, how's the journey been for you?

18:54Ronnie Karam: It's like a dream. Love it. Love a cracker. I mean, isn't that crazy? Like, I'm so famous now. It's crazy. You never really know yourself until you see yourself on TV. I love me. I love me.

19:03Ben Mandelker: Like, huge fan. Huge fan. I never knew crackers would take off like that. I think Bravo put together. It literally said, who knew crackers would take off like that? Yeah. It's crazy. I invented them. I think Bravo put together a montage on their social media of Felicia saying what she loves. And it went on for quite a while of her being like, I love a cracker. I love a coconut water. I love a wall. I love a door. I love a car that has three wheels. It's like everything. She's like, I love this. I love that.

19:38Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And it's really funny, but I wonder if Lisa Barlow is sitting at home just like, really, bitch? I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. She's sitting at home like, how am I going to talk about it? I'm making a single.

19:54Ben Mandelker: do you think heather gay watches the real housewives of rhode island and sticks like pin cushions into like alicia's face or like like little dolls of this cast because now like salt lake city was like the the new young you know amazing show that everyone talked about but now here comes rhode island as the hot young thing on the block and i feel like heather of all the people is watching this show it's like ladies we have to outdo these rhode island bitches right You just know it Probably

20:23Ronnie Karam: Well we all know the feeling don't we So Andy's like Oh wow what made you so fun to watch Besides your crazy faces and accents Was the fact that you've known each other for so long Wow Liz who have you known the longest And she's like Oh Lisa I do remember when she was born actually I actually remember the day She was close in age to mine I remember the day And let me tell you She was never homeless She came out, she had a home, Andy

20:58Ben Mandelker: Yeah, her niece was like my sister We took baths together in our home Until we didn't have a home together And then I just watched her sister take a bath And I would be like, where's my death? And we did everything together We played dolls together It's like, oh, is that where you fell in love with dolls? Yeah, yeah, she probably knows my obsession She actually wrote me about the horse Like, you know how I said I love a horse? Remember when I said I love a horse? In my mind I'm like I don't remember that at all Just like what a million things Do you really not? That one was so funny when they're on their way to Poland

21:27Ronnie Karam: She's like I love a horse So she's like yeah When they showed the clip I was like oh yeah She's trying a horse I tried riding a horse and I had Wells all over me and I couldn't ride a horse We cried I remember crying about it I couldn't ride a horse

21:44Ben Mandelker: This is a much better version Of the Kyle Richards storyline where it was like a whole episode I can't go buy horses. I really want to buy a horse. I can't go. I can't go on a horse. Like, I don't want to. I'm getting a little. Alicia's like, I can't go on a horse.

21:57Ronnie Karam: You love a horse, but you get welts from a horse? And she's like, yeah, I can't ride them. But I love them. I love a welt.

22:02Ben Mandelker: I love a welt. I love a welt. I love a welt. I like a welt more than a Bruce. But like, yeah, it's messed up. She goes, it's messed up. It's really fucked up. I can't ride a horse. So Andy is like, what was your reaction, group, to viewers really having a hard time telling you all apart in the beginning. Viewers really thought you all looked alike. And now she's like, honestly, it's like a compliment. Like, I'd be happy with any of these faces on mine. I was like, well, that probably will happen at some point. I mean, that's the trajectory of the Real Housewives. I mean, look at Liz and Dolores.

22:33Ben Mandelker: You will get people's faces eventually.

22:36Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So Liz is like, I didn't see it. I didn't get it. I don't get it. I think it is kind of weird that everybody thinks they look alike. I don't think they look alike. Do you?

22:48Ben Mandelker: I had a hard time at first. It's weird. I did. Because you had Kelsey and Rosie, when watching the first episode, I thought they were the same person at first. Because they're both young. I don't know. It was hard at first. Just how, remember, when we first watched Salt Lake City, Meredith and Lisa looked so alike at first. But now it's like, of course, Lisa's Lisa and Meredith is Meredith. And now I tell them all apart. But for a moment, it was just like, it was a little tricky. Like, they all have the long hair and the brown hair. And it was just tricky. Yeah. Kelsey and Rosie, I had a hard time at first.

23:22Ben Mandelker: I genuinely thought they were, I did not realize they were two separate people that first episode.

23:26Ronnie Karam: I mean, I think Dolores and Liz look exactly alike. But everyone else, I don't know. So Liz is like, well, he says, well, I mean, it's striking how much you and Dolores favor each other. It's like, well, we just wanted to get a little fly even better doctor. And I think that we looked more like them. So you did not I've seen I've seen pictures of both of you before No you didn't You got the same face for Christ's sake

23:55Ben Mandelker: Yeah seriously So Andy's like I mean when I was watching this show At the beginning I was like Rosie and Kelsey look so much alike And Kelsey's like I don't see that at all And Rosie's like I don't hate that comparison But I don't see it And I mean it seemed like you made nice by the way At Ruel's Arabian Nights party right? And we see them having that kind of like low energy insincere squashing of the beef and he's like, so where do things stand now between you?

24:26Ronnie Karam: Well, I said I would coexist and I'm still trying to coexist What even started the feud? Come on, it can't be a haircut And Kelsey's like, well, I was privy to a lot of information prior to filming and it was more of a personality thing and this competitive of nature she has towards me like i feel like i tried to get along with her and i tried to get to know her and the haircut was just like a prime example andy because it wasn't like just her necessarily not posting that one time it was the months came after it we didn't post but you posted everybody else so it was about the haircut it was it was about the haircut yeah so that's what it was

25:06Ben Mandelker: you know ashley is like well i mean the way that kelsey words it seems as if the post was It's like more important to you than developing a friendship. It's like, well, as an influencer, who was right and who was wrong regarding the posting? And Ashley says, well, there was no discussion that you would be posting, that there'd be any posting. And because she paid you and had the Venmo receipt, she's kind of like, there's no obligation.

25:34Ronnie Karam: Yeah, and Ashley knows. Like to post for somebody, that's a lot of damn money. It's like, this is a business. You want me to post and then you charge me at the same time? No, that's not how that works. Like, you give me a free haircut and you say, hey, I'll give you a free haircut in return for posting. I mean, that's how you do it. Ashley's not going to stand for it. But she says it in a very nice way. And Kelsey's like, well, I'm not negating that she paid for me. I know, but that's kind of the point. You can't, like, get paid and then ask somebody for something for free that's worth a lot more than a freaking haircut anyway.

26:07Ronnie Karam: Why am I still so annoyed, wife? why am I so annoyed by this posting thing?

26:13Ben Mandelker: It makes me cuckoo. Well, because it's so stupid. And Kelsey really has a lot of entitlement over it. And the crux of her whole thing is like, well, you know, you don't know Alicia any more than you know me, but you were posting about Pizza Mama like it was like nothing all the time. It's like, because she likes the pizza. Because she actually liked what she got from Alicia's business, and she doesn't love what she got from you. so she didn't want to overdo it. It's just really as simple as that. Like, don't ask questions that you don't want the answers from.

26:44Ronnie Karam: Yeah, agreed. So Rosie's like, well, I ordered... Okay, so Kelsey's saying, well, you didn't know Alicia any more than you knew me, but you were posting Pizza Mama like it was nothing all the time. And she's like, well, but yeah, but like I love Pizza Mama. It was really good. And like, it's really weird that you're taking notes of this. Like, I mean, okay, you don't like me. there's a lot of excuses there's never any accountability i mean god just say you don't like me geez sorry for liking pizza without cheese on it and calling it a chip like i love i mean i

27:15Ben Mandelker: love it sorry do you like her and kelsey's like she's like a silent killer to me on the show she'll be fine to my face but behind the scenes and when she gets home like she like instigates me the entire time rosie's like instigates you like what have i done that instigates you she's like yeah I know you do because like you post up and Rilla's like, don't I know the feeling of that? I'm like, oh, go by Rilla.

27:42Ronnie Karam: Don't I know the feel of it? It's just a little something, something. Like, uh, what are you talking about? And Joellen's like, making her faces at Rilla. And he goes, okay, Rosie, where'd you get the term slam pig from? And what's with my grinder? and um rosie rosie's like um well actually i learned it from one of alicia's friends like sorry and alicia's like uh you're not a slam pig by the way but but i love that word i love it

28:11Ben Mandelker: love a slam pig andy's like so like when she says horror it's like a similar thing it's like we're not saying it because like you fit the definition perfectly like just saying it's just like you know sally the slam pig i love that that's rosie's way of clarifying it no you You know, when you say a slam pig, it's like Sally the slam pig. Like there's someone named Sally and she's a slam pig. Sally the slam pig.

28:34Ronnie Karam: It's like I'm not literally calling her a whore. I'm just calling her a whore. Alicia goes, Sally the slamma. Yeah, it's a great word. And I, you know, I love it. Alicia's like, yeah, Sally the slamma. You know, it's really Sally the slam pig. I love a slamma. A slam pig.

28:49Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Yeah, she's not like an actual pig who does like slam poetry. like slam pig is just a word you use when you're like pissed off like sally the slam pig it came out of my mouth i told her to get the fuck out of my house 75 million times and she wasn't leaving and so kelsey's like so am i a slam pig she's like well i think you're a horrible person but no i don't like

29:14Ronnie Karam: so what i love that person but not a slam pig oh really so pumps and dumps i'm a slam pig And Rosie's like, well, I don't necessarily think that's the full definition of slime bricks. Oh, yeah, it is. Yeah, it is. She's like, buff and dump?

29:33Ben Mandelker: But Kelsey's like, am I a slam pig? Kelsey, why are you asking these questions that could make you so upset? And Rosie's like, I don't think that you're a slam pig.

29:45Ronnie Karam: Okay, so then why say that then? Because now we're saying things we don't mean. Okay. She called me a slam pig. She didn't even mean it? What the hell? So now you're mad that you're not a slam take?

30:01Ben Mandelker: Most people like it when someone says, I said it out of anger, but I didn't mean it. They're like, well, thank you. But she's like, oh, so you didn't even mean what you said? Look, she's a liar.

30:10Ronnie Karam: Well, I can at least take accountability for it. Uh-uh, you can't at all. You can't at all. She literally just did Kelsey. Kelsey's just not the brightest person, but she's so funny to me. She's so dumb. You're instigating me.

30:24Ben Mandelker: She is so dumb. I also have to say, I can't believe how much I like Rosie. In the first episode, I thought, oh, God, Rosie's going to be so annoying. She's going to really have an eye on that camera. She's going to be very, you know, self-producing and made for TV. But I think that Rosie is hilarious, and I think she's great. I thought she could be – I guess what I'm trying to say is I thought she'd be much more Whitney Rose-like, and I don't think that she is at all.

30:49Ronnie Karam: yeah i think she's so funny and um she's like well okay it wasn't my best moment i mean she comes after my house she comes after my career she comes after my finances she comes after everything about me but god forbid we call her a slam pig i mean geez that we said it

31:06Ben Mandelker: it's just a little bit too much you call everything for me an attack i've never forcefully or violently attacked you ever it's like it wasn't forceful or violent when you came to my house? So we see that. Showed hands who think it was

31:22Ronnie Karam: funny when she showed up at her house with a siren saying I'm the house police. What is it? 8 ,000 square feet or 8 ,000 square inches? That was pretty good.

31:35Ben Mandelker: So Rosie, so like, you know, Liz, Joellen and Kelsey raised their hands like it was funny. And Rosie's like, no shock there. Okay, well when you watched the show and you saw her with the siren did that make you think that she was trying to make a joke and rosie's like no i think she was trying to have another moment at my expense right before i was gonna have a moment at her expense and i think that she thought i was gonna take it jim allen goes oh

31:58Ronnie Karam: well is there like a um a siren a siren ordinance in north gangstown

32:05Ben Mandelker: and rosie's like yeah yeah there is and rula's like well i'm surprised you don't know You just got ruled. No, I don't know.

32:14Ronnie Karam: Like, how would I know about that? Really? You know, all the ordinances everywhere else. And he's like, okay, okay.

32:23Ben Mandelker: In reference to the slam pig fight, Colehearted95 said, you can't emotionally destroy someone on national TV for trying to joke about your past beef when you're on camera with CAD drawings and a tape measure telling your husband you are going to do the same thing.

32:42Ronnie Karam: Rosie's like, well, here's the difference. I was making a lot of the fact that this has been such a big thing, and she doesn't even have a house, and she's coming to my house, she doesn't even have a house. So, who's homeless now? You wouldn't have a homeless! Alright, that's coming up. That's coming up.

32:59Ben Mandelker: It's like a salad spinner. You know when you start up a salad spinner, the first few spins are like...

33:08Ronnie Karam: you will never

33:09Ben Mandelker: almost almost almost almost almost

33:11Ronnie Karam: well it seems like you were prepared for a fight though Rosie she's like no I wasn't actually I mean I wasn't I just had like the plans to my house laid out there because I was going to show her the plans to my house because I'm like kind of sick of hearing the shit from this fucking slut so whatever

33:27Ben Mandelker: yeah um yeah but like uh Ashley says but Kelsey you did say at the castle that you were going to bring measuring tape. Yeah, but you were like, okay, I'm going to have to see the blueprints. So I had the blueprints ready. Whatever.

33:42Ronnie Karam: I don't care. I hope you build the Taj Mahal, babe. Okay, it's not about the number. It is about the number though. It is. It's like, nuh-uh. It's about the embellishments about everything. There's so many embellishments. No, it was about you discrediting me and you've been accusing me of having two affairs, which aren't even true, and of getting fired, which also wasn't true. Oh, really? So you said I'm not actually a slam pig? Okay, so do I suck dick for a career then?

34:10Ben Mandelker: I mean, I kind of do think you did that for the last 10 years, if I'm being honest. But what is Kelsey's... Kelsey is like a reverse lawyer. She's like, let me get up here and actually prove someone else's case. Kelsey's just setting herself up over and over again. Kelsey's like, oh, really? So how? How? And Rosie's like, the only other co-worker you had was the girlfriend in Florida. And you know that took Kelsey a moment to figure that one out. At least she goes, I'll take out. I died. That was an amazing line. That was a sick burn. I went back and watched that three times. I was like, thank you.

34:46Ronnie Karam: And Kelsey's like, well, but don't you suck your husband's dick? And she's like, oh, no, not really. Not really my thing. Okay, well, then let me know when you want a divorce lawyer. Oh, my God, Kelsey. You can't even say that because the guy didn't marry you. You know what I mean? Kelsey is just like, Kelsey is like so bad at this, but she's also so highly entertaining.

35:09Ben Mandelker: She's just so inept in so many different ways.

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37:55Ben Mandelker: That's butcherbox.com slash crappins. Don't forget to use our link so they know that we sent you. Andy is like, Joe Allen and Kelsey both question whether Rosie slept with the coach. Where did that rumor come from? And Rosie's like, oh, this was on Reddit three and a half years ago. well I think he was asking me I was like okay well go for it it's only my life wait a minute

38:20Ronnie Karam: wait a minute stop stop everybody it was on reddit three and a half years ago I mean was there that much interest in you from road tripping

38:31Ben Mandelker: no it's because I was on NBC10 which was like the number one station in Rhode Island which is as we all know the 760th largest market in the United States it's only my life whatever we had the number one station in Rhode Island and we had 90 % viewership. And when I was doing traffic through the morning show and the lifestyle, it was like the number one lifestyle show. So they were like, where's Rosie? Where's Rosie? And I was like, wasn't telling anyone. I was on medical leave because I was bleeding out my butt. So I just disappeared. And during that time, he was having an affair with a student reporter at school.

39:01Ben Mandelker: Andy's face, he's just like,

39:03Ronnie Karam: oh, bleeding out the butt. Jeez. So Kelsey's like, it wasn't a student reporter. It was a student reporter. How do you even know this, Kelsey? It was a student and a faculty member. And that would have been heavily, if that was true, that would have been heavily investigated. There was a cop that pulled him over with you in the car. She's like, what are you talking, I wasn't in the car, Kelsey. Joellen's like, um, actually, it's just me, innocent Joellen here. He was getting a DUI and your name was on the police report. Yeah. I don't know where she got that information.

39:38Ben Mandelker: Ruth is like, my name isn't on the police report, Joellen. I don't know him. Ashley's like, I'm worried about police report because I know it's not true. And I don't know why you guys are so convinced it's true. Rosie's like, get me the police report then. I'm telling you, I've never met him. Like, go and get it. Go and get it. It's like, not true. Like, go and get it. Three and a half years, there's like never been a picture. Like, there's never been a video.

40:01Ronnie Karam: Okay. Well, here's the thing. If it is in the police report, aren't those available? So go get the police report. And Joe Mullen is clearly the one who told Kelsey this information. because joellen's like oh actually like you know kelsey's really fucking up this argument but yeah there was a dui and you were in the car oh whoops so where's your evidence that you said you're

40:22Ben Mandelker: with so many receipts it would it would be out that we would already have it right here with like it would have like it would have been out in the public reddit would have dug it up they would have paid the records like it would be out here and the fact that it's not out here now it's

40:39Ronnie Karam: like it doesn't exist in my mind yeah so um kelsey's like um because he was married and he was the coach and he's just like he's still married they moved away i don't know him okay i just spoke with him this morning and to confirm i do not know this person and alicia's like i think it was another girl i think it was a student that's what i heard i i heard it was a student It was a student And Kelsey's like everyone knows Rosie Woods

41:07Ben Mandelker: Reputation And then Joellen goes Honestly I don't find him attractive Rosie So I don't know I don't think anyone It's like okay so now we're gonna weigh in on This coach if he's hot enough to have an affair with And Rosie's like nobody knows my Reputation and Joellen's like I mean to me Obviously I obviously heard you like That you did it but like he's not cute Like why would you do it for like a not cute coach She's like Okay

41:31Ronnie Karam: okay, the slut shaming's not working, so I'm going to like, you fucked an ugly guy shamed you. I know.

41:38Ben Mandelker: Like, I didn't have anything to say. So then Andy is like, Joellen, why have you seen the police report? She goes, well, I mean, I have not seen the police report, but I have talked to a few officers that wrote the police report.

41:50Ronnie Karam: Joellen, what? Joellen.

41:54Ben Mandelker: Wow, I can't believe, I can't believe you got misinformation. Of all people, Joellen is talking to the cops. Love it. Right. Exactly. So Rosie's like, I never met him, so I'm like, not in the police report. Get the police report and we'll talk about it. Like, you don't have it. She's like, I don't have it. I don't. I don't have it. I'm just trying to be a best friend. I'm just trying to be a friend. I care about you. That's all I want. I just want to diffuse the situation. I don't have it whatsoever. Right.

42:18Ronnie Karam: Liz, do you think Kelsey is hard on Rosie? And Liz is like, nah. I think they just completely misunderstood each other. They made me more alike than we know.

42:29Ben Mandelker: When I say it, it pisses them off. I mean, she showed up at my house with a fucking siren and she showed up to Audrey's with a sash. I'm like, uh-oh. Watch out for that sash. That sash stunt. She's gonna blow any moment.

42:44Ronnie Karam: This one is very funny to me because now Now Rosie is mad that Kelsey showed up with a sash mocking the fact that Rosie called her a slam pig. She's allowed to be mad that you called her a slam pig, but you're not allowed to be mad that she turned it into a joke that you called her a slam pig. But then it made a lot of sense because I thought of Dorinda and how Dorinda started trademarking every little line she said so people couldn't put it on a coffee mug or whatever. And I think Rosie's like, but slam pig is my thing. she's doing slam pig summer tour dj set have you seen this yes this show yes rosie show people because it's funny if you're watching on demand i want to show you this poster that rosie made it's slam pig summer tour featuring dj set with rosie woods meet and greet and drag performances

43:36Ben Mandelker: and more okay this feels like the most successful bravo dj crossover poster we've seen because calling something a slam pig summer tour first of all i'm mad because when we go on tour now we can't call it the slam pig tour but second of all um this seems like this will get the biggest gay following of all time it was like one thing for like dj meredith marx to go on tour but like slam pig summer tour i mean this is like up there with like market days in gay culture already i'm gonna tell you that right now. You're going to get a lot of scruff there.

44:11Ronnie Karam: So, Kelsey's like, I put a sash on a crown and you're mad? And she's like, well, because everything you do is fucking mean. Like, it was so mean how you made fun of me calling you a slam pig.

44:23Ben Mandelker: Well, I mean, you called her a slam pig, so you know she was obviously busting balls, says Joellen. I mean, Rosie does not like all these, I think she doesn't like all these props. It's like a stunt queen. So Rosie's like, well, of course you're going to defend her. Okay, well, Rosie and Kelsey, I don't know what your future is, but it doesn't look great right now, so let's move on. This is so funny.

44:44Ronnie Karam: Because normally he's like, guys, we need it. I hope you can come to some kind of resolution. This time he's like, wow, you guys really hate each other. Hilarious. Moving on. All right. So next, Liz, I love your cat. I love your cat. And she talks about That the cat passed away Ganj Yeah Ganj died

45:09Ben Mandelker: 12 years I don't know what happened It just happened very suddenly I think I'm still grieving He literally owned me Alright and happier news Congrats on your new grab baby How'd you come up with the nickname Gigi Is this the best question you can ask Liz Of all the questions

45:26Ronnie Karam: While they're warming up Because it's gonna get crazy with Liz soon But it is weird to call a baby Gigi because that's normally what they call grandparents, right? Oh, no, yeah, that's what she says. She's like, I don't want to be called grand anything. I'll be Gigi. So now they talk about the kid's wedding, all this crap that nobody really cares about. And they talk about Gary wanting more, her and Jerry wanting more kids. And then it gets to Rula, do you regret saying that Liz couldn't relate to why you're staying with Brian because she didn't produce children on her own? And Rula's like You know I guess I felt bad Like I didn't mean to offend you It like doesn't make you Any less of a mother Just cause you're not actually a mother So I'd like to just say that right now

46:15Ben Mandelker: Yeah but it was still a fucked up Thing to say I mean I don't hold it Against it but like I'm not mad It was fucked up Alright well Liz Now that you've sold Gypsy Is your relationship with Jerry approved? And she's like, yeah, Wes, I thought I wish she was going back. But we're up each other's asses a lot. All right. Well, that's great to hear.

46:35Ronnie Karam: Well, Monty from Soapdish says, Donnie, why am I in a turban? I look like Gloria fucking Swanson.

46:44Ben Mandelker: Okay. And then she follows up with the following question. On the machine, Rose, on the machine, Rose. He left me for his.

46:55Ronnie Karam: Wait. He left me for his wife. How could he, Rose? How could he?

47:02Ben Mandelker: She then asked the question, I never said I was the best mother in the world, but give me some credit for trying.

47:10Ronnie Karam: So Rula more than hinted that both Jerry and Liz have cheated on each other when she said, when the cat's away, the mice will play. So it seems like you were saying it based on knowing something, right, Rula? And Riva's like, I just know that she struggled when Jerry was away. And cats, you know, if mice are in the same place as a cat, then mice will hide because cats are scary. But if cats aren't there, then mice fuck a lot of other people. That's all I'm saying. But I'm not saying I know anything. I'm just saying, you know, mice are real whores.

47:45Ben Mandelker: You could also use AI to make those mice so you don't even know that. Like, that's, like, fixed. I don't even have to look at the mice to know That Joellen probably just made them up And it's like it's a fake thing Those mice, the mice were never there in the first place Do I have anything confirmed?

48:01Ronnie Karam: No, just busting Chups And Joellen's like um yeah that's really not funny I can't believe someone Would say that because it's not funny at all

48:12Ben Mandelker: Why would Someone make allegations about someone's Relationship, that's not funny, who would do that? So Alicia She goes, Alicia just laughs. She goes, ha, ha, ha, busting chops.

48:27Ben Mandelker: All right, what was your reaction, Liz? Well, you want to say something? Say, I don't care. I was like, no, I mean, Liz. Liz and I have had, like, some chats in the past about things and struggles. But to know of anything definitively, I don't know.

48:42Ronnie Karam: I would like you to articulate the chats that we've had, wherein I shared with you any kind of infidelity. By the way, Liz is in this big, poofy, like, dress, and she slunk all the way back on the couch. And the dress is actually coming up, so it's just like this little head sticking up. Yeah. And she just, like, does not give a fuck. She's just like... Yeah, articulate the one I shared with you, any infidelity. Did you openly share any infidelity with me? That's what I want to know Hmm Well You gotta think about that Uh

49:19Ben Mandelker: No To be fair, this is just the pace at which Rula talks She's like, you know, I have been places that you've been Well, I know you bet Uh, you know, I've been on Block Island The most beautiful place in all the world I agree And, you know, you've been there And, wait a second I go, you had both been in the same place together. I was like, please say it, Lula. I'm dying for you to say it, because I've been meaning to thank you for this for like four years. I'll come out and say it, Lula.

49:50Ronnie Karam: Wait, wait, what do you want to think of for it? I'm confused. Like, what? How do you best to chat?

49:57Ben Mandelker: It's sarcasm. It's like, okay, hold on. Okay, what did you see, Rula? I was like, no, I mean, Liz was hanging with other people and having a good time. Kissing? you know, getting close and such. It was AI. It was AI. I can't really comment on it.

50:14Ronnie Karam: You know what? When you speak on something, I can speak on it. I can answer now because I've just been waiting for you to say it, which you actually didn't say it. I've been waiting anyway. You know, look, it was one instance. There was a time when Jerry and I were separated. It was Labor Day weekend. I'll never forget it. There was an extra day off and I thought, oh, Labor Day. Am I right? Can't wait to fuck someone else. And I went to Block Island with my girlfriend. And we met off with someone who I hadn't seen in 30 years. And it was fun. The guy was throwing me up in the air. We're dancing.

50:51Ronnie Karam: We're all over the place. The next day, Jerry got a phone call at 6 a.m.

50:57Ben Mandelker: And it was Rilla and Brian. What are you talking about, Liz? That's a lie. That's a lie.

51:04Ronnie Karam: Anyway, that was the goal for Jerry to find out I wasn't trying to hide it

51:11Ben Mandelker: Liz, Liz, that is a blatant lie Subpoena phone records from them then And he goes, subpoena? I just screaming like an animal right now Joellen goes, she's so aggressive That's the thing Shut your mouth, Joellen I'm sick and tired of your fucking mouth, Joellen Oh, you shut the fuck up You shut the fuck up

51:32Ronnie Karam: Oh, you're going to have your time, Joellen Calm down over there, alright? It'll be your turn, honey Shut your mouth It's not about Joellen

51:42Ben Mandelker: Alright Sorry you're caught And you and your husband love to call people You love the tattling, that's what you do, Rula

51:50Ronnie Karam: Joellen, with all due respect You have spent this entire season Tattling So I was cracking up You guys love tattling, don't ya?

52:00Ben Mandelker: Well, but she's like tattling. She's like, you and your husband love tattling in professional settings. As opposed to girlfriends.

52:12Ronnie Karam: So Liz is like, you had your aha moment? Well, that's what my husband told me about it. She's like, why would I want to have an aha moment? What would I ever have against you?

52:26Ben Mandelker: That's a lie. That's a lie. Okay, let me just say that The mice is the ways The cat and the mice Are going to play together You're doing this thing The mice, they don't Look, I don't like this going for this and that And the other Okay, we're not going to do this and that and the other Especially not with the cats and the mice When there's AI, you know

52:49Ronnie Karam: Liz goes, you're screaming like a fucking nut right now Which by the way, Rula is not screaming And it's so funny That Liz and Joellen are both like why is screaming oh my god she's so aggressive i'm terrified of her right now

53:02Ben Mandelker: she barely has a pulse i was like i'm not being a nut you're accusing me of something and he goes she's not really screaming i mean i've heard a lot of screaming on these shows you guys have all screamed i have not screamed all season well you did four years ago you called jerry thinking you knew when he did in a scream fashion it's like okay all right so seeing while the cats the way the mice will play what you're saying is something did happen ruler i'm saying that

53:30Ronnie Karam: sometimes mice fuck but since we don't understand their private parts we don't even understand when

53:35Ben Mandelker: they're fucking it's awkward what i'm saying is sometimes the mice and the cats they work it out privately and they had a conversation and you know people want to destroy a good relationship

53:45Ronnie Karam: between the mouse and the cat yeah and you know what that was just one incident people have seen other things. I don't want to get involved in it. I'm just saying other things. It's like, yeah, people have seen other things.

54:00Ben Mandelker: Look, I asked what I shared with you. You said Liz shared with me some infidelities, okay? I was like, yeah, those are the issues that you and Jerry had. And I blocked that night, you know, like that night, and I'm glad you told me because that was like, that was the objective. That way Jerry would find out. So now Liz is like, actually, yeah, I want to make out with that, guys. That way Jerry would find out and realize what he'd lost, I think. Is that what she's kind of saying?

54:24Ronnie Karam: Yeah, she's like, basically, I wanted to make Jerry upset, and I knew you would tell him, and then you did tell him. You and your husband did tell him, so thanks a lot. You did me a favor, which obviously sounds like horse shit. And Rula's like, but you said to me that Jerry's done things when you guys had issues, and then you went off on your merry way doing your thing. I don't want to say it. I don't want to say it.

54:47Ben Mandelker: No, I never said it to you.

54:49Ronnie Karam: I never shared any kind of infidelity with you ever. Well, you know, but I'm not alluding to anything, you know? I'm just like, I'm saying, you know what? I'm done talking about this because there's going to be no resolution. You know what? Unless resolution is someone sleeping with someone that's not a husband, in which case Liz would have a lot of that. Not that I'm saying anything because I don't even know anything. What is this? Is something or other?

55:14Ben Mandelker: That was Brian and you didn't know. And Rula's like, why would Brian call Jerry? She's like, well, then Joellen jumps back in. Why would Brian call anyone? It's like, why did you ask him? And he's like, okay, all right.

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