#3422 RHORI S1E13 Part Two: Slam, Bam Reunion Ma’am

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1:45Ben Mandelker: Watch what crap is. Watch what crap is. Who cares what happens when there's so much crap is? Watch what crap is. Oh, I mean, what's your habit? Who cares what happens when there's so much that happens? Well, hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens. This is part two of a two-part recap. Bye. Enjoy the show. I don't even know what you guys are talking about anymore. Let me ask you about something else. Why would you snap at Kelsey over saying, oh God, am I even allowed to say it? Okay, wish me luck, everyone. Wish me luck, America. Why would you snap at Kelsey ever saying The outgoing Oh my god the outgoing The outgoing First of all I'd like to say That that was unwarranted And I'm so sorry You know this Because Kelsey knew the struggle That I was going through with the accusation The struggle and to hear it Come up all over again It was like a perfect storm George Clooney's dead, spoiler alert horrible.

2:55Who would pay to see a movie where George Clooney dies?

2:59Ben Mandelker: Mary Elizabeth Mastri Antonio was watching the entire fight, and she was trying to warn me about going right into the jaws of the slam pig, and I just didn't pay attention. But the ongoing, yeah, no, I apologize. So Andy's like, well, Kelsey, did you hook up with Dino before or after you were with your ex? And she's like, well, the first year I was competing for Miss Rhode Island when I did that, and it wasn't something I was necessarily proud of, and we've been around each other then and i just kind of ignore him which by the way didn't it sort of feel like at one point in the season it was gonna become a thing like dino traumatized me liz why do you keep bringing him around you're not being a good girlfriend to me i sort of thought we'd get that storyline and it never really materialized oh i don't know because this wasn't really about dino this all of this other stuff yeah i just thought i'm just saying like when when kelsey first mentioned Dino in the season, I thought we were going to sort of go down that path, and it didn't happen.

3:56Ben Mandelker: I was just saying that I'm a little afraid of Dino, because isn't Dino the one who's, you know, been arrested for trafficking and stuff? Yeah, they probably were like, maybe we should keep Dino on the sidelines. Yeah. So Liz is like, well, they're fine, they're in the same place, that was forever ago, whatever. Alright, well, Tacoma from Ford says, Alicia, when you lost it on Rosie, it genuinely seemed like you were terrified that Liz would think you were talking behind her back. She's like, I wasn't. If you heard it, I would say she's been through a lot. I woke up for the same cloth. I just appear a little, you know, I appear softer.

4:34But I'm scared of, like, I don't want to fuck with Liz, too. So, like, when she was saying, I was like, oh, no, no, no. I don't want you to think that I'm fucking with Liz. I'm just saying, like, I'm just like Liz.

4:46Ben Mandelker: Okay. Ashley! On the show, you said that Liz was scary. Are you scared of Liz? And also, a follow-up question, are you also scared of tinfoil? What are you not scared of? Well, I think that Liz is an intimidating figure. And she has an aura of power. And I know that there's, like, many different facets. Please don't attack me. Please, please, please, please, please. I'm sorry, Liz. I'm sorry. Yeah, she's, like, basically. She's like, she's a powerful woman. But, you know, I mean, you're going to be like a little scared of Liz. All right. Who's afraid of Liz? Raise your hands. And Alicia's like, depends on the day.

5:28You're all afraid of Liz. Depends on the day. Because you all are afraid of fire. You're all afraid of falling 30 stories to your death. It's natural. It's human. Oh, my God. I've still got this Rosie. Oh, no, I don't. Sorry. I just have it up on my computer. I thought I was still making everybody stare at Slampig.

5:49Ben Mandelker: So Alicia's like, well, it depends on the day That I'm scared of her I was like, oh, don't lie Just because I'm sitting here at Capo You know, I was, what, whatever And Joellen's like Yeah, at Capo, I was scared of her She's like, oh, hey, you Oh, that's too bad Oh

6:09Ben Mandelker: So Andy's like, okay, alright, alright We're gonna pick it up after the break Because I'm getting a little scared that Liz is gonna attack me next So okay let's cool things down yeah so now it's break time and joellen is telling kelsey oh i can already tell this is going to be bad and i'm not fucking dealing with it i'll take that right now and liz just rolls her eyes and uh so rula and liz are still arguing amongst themselves and rula's like i want to talk to jerry about this we are innocent and she's like okay i've I live for months. I don't care. Fuck. Who cares? I would never. I swear to God on the Bible, I don't fuck with lies.

6:50Ben Mandelker: I don't care. Why would Jerry make it up? Jerry doesn't even know what day it is. I want Jerry to tell me. Why would I ever fucking do that? We laughed about it. It's fine. I'm happy to talk with him. Whatever. Welcome back to the Real Housewives of Rhode Island. Where you do not meant to go. Ladies, show of hands. who watch Ashley on TV before the housewives. And so Kelsey has been a huge fan of the bachelor. She knew her. She, you know, she's just like she was on TV, you know, all the crying and stuff. And then we get my favorite part was a montage of Ashley just crying at stuff. And Andy asks how many times they think that she cried, like if they had to guess.

7:29I would have guessed it was a lot more than this.

7:32Ben Mandelker: Yeah, this felt low. It was a seven, which was shockingly low. I thought it was double digits. It then turns to eight very shortly after. Yeah. But it was that low. And so she moved to Rhode Island in 2021, and she only knew Rosie, and they were set up on a friendship date. And Andy is like, all right, well, Patty from Melt says, I saw Kelsey say, Ashley doesn't hang out with the rest of any of the ladies that's out of filming. And Joellen has three kids, and she still prioritizes friends. Joellen, why do you think it's harder for Ashley? And Joellen's like, well, I think that Ashley does hang out with Rosie, and Jared works like 100 hours at that shitty, shitty coffee shop where Gary, you know, and Gary helps watch the kids.

8:15Ben Mandelker: So, you know, it's hard to make mom friends when you have kids. It's very difficult. But I don't know, you gotta ask her. She's the one who's a wimp. So Rula's like, I think that because Ashley is close to Rosie and has seen things that have taken place, she's probably just uncomfortable. And I don't want to speak for you, but right, you're scared of Joellen, right? Is that what you want to say? And Ashley's just like, I mean, well, I haven't made friends with anybody. Well, I mean, look, I just really love Rosie. Like, Rosie really is such a good friend. And it submits her lifestyle into my lifestyle.

8:49It's so sweet. Like, we watch Full House together. We watch the Disney Channel together. This is a good version. Oh, Jesus Christ, Ashley. It's like cry counter. Hey, ding.

9:04Ben Mandelker: Ashley, how is Audrey's doing now? Well, since the show, it's been packed to the brim, mainly because a lot of people waiting a very long time for their cold brews. Well, have you changed your tune about it? Do you like Audrey's now? She's like, um, actually, it's like more complicated because like, Jared's even more stressed now. It's like crazy. Okay, okay, moving on, moving on. I'm already bored. Yeah, you are boring. joellen you uh said you had a wild time in your 20s what was the craziest thing you did still having it yeah still having it the this and the that the this and the that and the other thing still having it so joellen's like ruler i couldn't hear you under your breath she goes like i said sure you're still having it the wild times that you had in your 20s you're still having them now see it's a reference to you being promiscuous so joellen's like oh am i okay what proof do you have okay go on i i have fun in my 20s i was in a sorority that rules like oh yeah kicked out of school you didn't get kicked out of college i heard you slept with a coach a coach you got pulled over for drunk driving and they made you look like rosie i heard it no i did not you're good you didn't get in trouble in high school really just of course i got in trouble in high school i got sent away duh why of course like we all get trouble in high school about what you're saying she's like i think i made it very clear okay and she's like okay let's talk about let's talk about shit underage like that's a real classy thing to do rule to bring up somebody's underage and their problems when they're under 18 you keep on saying this wow i'm real classy meanwhile it's like now let me tell you about my life when i was underage i was gonna say you brought it into evidence ma 'am uh and ruler's like oh that's a good card to pull now huh you're so good at playing the victim she's like you're just as messy as me you're just as messy as me so just own it bitch own it because i own it and you don't own it okay there she goes there she goes okay wow i am ruler the queen of the proper police that's what i am whoa you want to blame your mother for everything and he's like okay okay well she does and we want to hear her blame her mother so anyway when you had a heart-to-heart with your mom who you're gonna blame shortly she said you were lying about the boys but do you remember what precipitated such a drastic measure?

11:27Ben Mandelker: And Joellen's like, I mean, whatever. I mean, I pretended I was taking a shower and jumped out the window to go see my boyfriend. Like, big deal. I was like, oh, okay. So you're jumping out the window, and your mom's like, oh, shit, my daughter just disappeared for the 14th time. I think I gotta lock her up someplace. And Andy's like, you thought she was gonna fall for you taking an hour-long shower? She goes, I mean, she did for a while, Andy. Alicia, you knew Joellen at high school. Did she ever take real showers? How smelly was she? And was she really the bad girl her mom thought she was? Yeah, she was just a teenager.

12:01She was just a teenager. All right, Joellen, how's your relationship with your mom now? She's like, well, we've done therapy in the past, but, like, right now the relationship's not doing great. I mean, she saw the show. She didn't really like it. And, you know, she's, like, kind of weaponizing my kids. Like, literally, she's like, if you talk bad about me to Andy, I'm not going to watch the kids. And I'm like, thanks a lot. You're a shitty mom.

12:23Ben Mandelker: No. Listen. wasn't she weaponizing the kids first like like i'm not gonna let you see the kids yeah i don't know what world you're from that you get to shit talk somebody and then ask them for free babysitting that's nuts i know it's that is really true i would agree with you on that so joellen rule's husband brian admitted to calling your work colleague so uh how's work going for you by the way she's like well i was laid off for my job but that's not why you were laid off you were laid off for being a slut when you were 18. It's like, okay, you know what? I didn't finish speaking. So shut up, Rula.

12:58Ben Mandelker: Shut up. Okay. Why did you get laid off? Oh, I mean, why is she even here? Why is Rula even here? She's only in like three episodes. It doesn't matter how many episodes I'm in, okay? I'm still here. It doesn't matter. I could be in one. I could be in 20. I could be a mouse. There could be a cat. I'm not even going to go there, okay? I'm not even going to go there. Okay, they laid off a bunch of us from the company. And I don't know if it had anything to do with what Ruler and Brian did, but it was like a bunch of us who were corporate. Okay? It's just like, well, I didn't do anything. Correct yourself.

13:32Ben Mandelker: Okay, you were in the room. Okay? Well, do you think Brian had any involvement? I mean, you were in the room and you were within your shot. Like, you were fucking upstairs. Okay, you were in the same hemisphere of the earth. Okay? Stop making false accusations. All right, do you think Brian had any involvement? Well, I mean, he didn't. Okay, he didn't call my boss. he called a colleague and that wait didn't you say he called your boss or was it always that they called someone else and then a colleague then he made a formal name oh the colleague made a formal complaint oof i don't know what a shithead and so you keep telling the story wrong okay and don't you tell me about it i definitely do uh you keep saying the story wrong don't you think i i know my own fucking story no because everything that comes out of your mouth is hogwash.

14:23Ben Mandelker: No, I have the proof, okay? I know the police officers that wrote me up at the job, okay? And I don't actually have my write-up, but I know the guys who wrote it. Okay, what do you have? What do you have? It is funny that Joellen's like, where's your proof when she just was co-signing Kelsey's claim without proof about Rosie's alleged affair. So Andy's like, do you think this involvement led to your laugh? Well, I don't think that helped. I'm like, I'll tell you what else didn't help. being on The Real Housewives of Rhode Island, let's be honest. I don't know what that led to it. But I know that my boss had to talk to me about what Brian did in the writing and the complaint about it.

14:57Ben Mandelker: And I know that Brian was trying to get me fired. And he said he was going to sue my company at the time if they didn't leave me off because I was unfit. And I have to prove. Stop your noises. Maybe it's your nose. Maybe it's your nose you're fucking breathing. I don't know. Something like that. You can't breathe with your tiny nose now. This is so stupid. Maybe it's your nose fucking breathing. And she's like, Joellen shut your mouth oh really can you can I have my turn to speak can I have my turn to speak she's like act your age though okay so do it stop speaking she's like I can't deal with the things that come out of that mouth Joellen's like oh the truth you can't deal with the truth alright do you think she was fired because of her husband and Rula's like no and he goes okay Joellen has how has this all affected your career are you working again in whatever it was that you were doing And she's like, I was working.

15:47Ben Mandelker: And I actually decided a couple weeks ago, it was too much for me. After 20-something years of working, I decided to be a stay-at-home mom and put more focus on my kids. Thanks a lot, mom, for not babysitting. Now I got to quit my job. I'm going to blame her too at it. Well, I'm at it. You quit your job because you're a housewife now. Yeah. You want to be a real housewife full time. Yeah. Which I get. And also, come on. Your husband calling somebody's work is crazy behavior. Stop standing up for your crazy husband. You're cheating husband. You're cheating, cheating husband. It's time for a commercial.

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18:34Okay, so you're alleging that this video of the mistress in the car with Brian, the date they're referencing is not on the video. It's on the dashboard of the car. You're thinking somebody went in and changed? The mistress changed the date into the future.

18:52Ben Mandelker: Changed the date into the future, and then it was like – it's so crazy. Joellen's like, do you know what he does? He prints out AI things for you. And he tells you he's going to go into aesthetic conferences. And he goes with what's-a-face bleep. And he does it. Okay, he's the AI queen. I was like, he hasn't been to a conference in forever. She's like, you're delusional. It's like, can you share what one of the docs told you? Can you just share? She's like, no, all you do is make it seem like you're lying. And all you do is say it's lying. You don't even see the video. You didn't even see the video.

19:27my god so they're just squabbling and going at it like you you you you you you you you meanwhile andy just stands up and he's just like texting on his phone he's like heard this millions of times he's just scrolling through like yeah i'm on a break here come on people meanwhile they're like this didn't stop till december rula they were still meeting up in january she's like oh god i'm tired this subject is just done alicia's like are we on break can we leave what's going on yet. Show's still going on.

19:59Ben Mandelker: She goes, you're going to torture me until I'm 85 years old. She goes, well, did you think I wasn't going to come out with proof? And she goes, well, let it look at whatever. Let it be. She goes, no, I'm done. I'm done. She's like, no, but you're not done. But we're at the reunion. What did you think was going to happen at the reunion, Bola? Production's like, can you guys like wait until the camera's rolling again? So, welcome back. Liz, when you said Alicia was never homeless, you meant what? Oh, God. Here we go. So then And we get this huge monologue from Liz. And she's like, well, when I initially said you were never homeless, I was actually shocked that at least you were saying that.

20:38But I want you to know this. Cigarette withdrawals. She's like vaping something she's got under the couch. All right. I never mentioned the meaning of your feelings. And the way that when I said you were never homeless, I was trying to literally protect you because you know people hear the word homeless they think of somebody who's actually homeless not somebody who's not homeless so I hope I didn't hurt you

21:07Ben Mandelker: you know in Kabbalah they say that when you bring red to someone's face it's like the greatest sin and that broke my heart that I did that to you and for that I'm sorry I accept that apology and I'd love to have a kebab as well but for me like even like opening up i didn't even tell billy and it was like kind of embarrassing about having a shitty father because like everyone that i grew up with all my cousins had this wonderful life and mine was like it was like pick until you pick it until you make it i was like did they have a wonderful life because all your aunts came over like oh yeah my husband left me three times oh yeah my i got three husbands and three divorces all every single one of them i did it all myself i'm like i think that probably everyone had a little bit of hardship in your life.

21:47I hope you ruin his life. That would be a pain. I hope he feels bad. And so she goes through this whole thing. She's like, it was just hard. It was hard. And Liz is like, I understand this. Look, I literally shake when I talk about it. Look, I'm shaking. Okay, and I actually want to say, I was not the one who brought it up in the car. Let's just say, and I don't want to go further with this. but let's just say you both knew that we were going to be doing that in the car you both knew it don't deny it and Alicia's like what are you talking about so you felt ambushed in the car Liz and she's like I did and they certainly knew that it was going to be coming up in the car no Joe

22:36Ben Mandelker: Liz you think that this was a manufactured situation yeah well you know we didn't know three days before that this was coming up in the car, which I felt like was this a pulling the curtain behind to say, like, you guys are going to talk about being homeless in the car from production. And Joellen's like, no, we never knew that. She's like, we didn't know. It's like, I didn't know any of this, Liz. What are you talking about? She's like, you didn't know. It's like, no, what are you talking? Look, I didn't know any of this. I'm like, what are you talking about, Liz? And Liz is like, crazy. Liz just does this whole thing about, like, I never meant to demean you, but you guys knew you were going to talk about it, so you should have been stronger when I brought it up anyway.

23:12oh so i shouldn't talk about six voice notes you sent me joellen and kelsey about doing this in the car and then me saying please don't so so what she's saying six voice notes joellen and kelsey were talking and voice notes about doing it in the car i mean there are the thing about these like new real housewives is they're already so real housewives right at the beginning i mean they're in this tiny place they get called up to do this show and they're already doing like five-year housewives things you know what i mean where they're like calling each other and sending each other voice notes and setting each other up on camera and shit like it yeah trained

23:54Ben Mandelker: yeah i know um it seems like it is wild that they were like planning to have this whole scene and everything but my memory of it was that like alicia was just kind of you know talking about the conversation, how it brought up issues. And my memory, I haven't gone back and watched the episode, but that Liz was like, I just want to say that when I said you were homeless, I didn't, I'm sorry for saying you were homeless, but you weren't homeless. Like, I kind of felt like it still was Liz who kind of made the unforced error about, like, she kind of brought that aspect of the argument into the fore, you know?

24:30Ben Mandelker: So they're basically like, what are you talking about, that this is a setup? And it's like, why would I tell you if it was a setup? Like, that's a lie, that's crazy. So Andy's like, so were your feelings manufactured? And she's like, oh, yeah. I have nervous breakdowns. I should get an Academy Award. I mean, come on. That's insane. I couldn't breathe. Like, there were no crackers anywhere. We spilled them on the floor, the shakuk board, you know? Like, literally, I was shaken up for two days after that. Yeah. I couldn't breathe. I couldn't breathe. And Liz is like, don't worry. Then why do it?

24:56Then why do it then? She's like, because you were attacking me. So Liz is like, I'm pretty sure you told me. I knew it was coming. I knew. And she's like, did I ever say that to you guys? Like, I'm setting up Liz to fucking have a nervous breakdown on TV so everyone can see me like that? Like, that doesn't even make sense. She's like, I don't know why you wanted to do it, but you did.

25:19Ben Mandelker: It's crazy. It scares me. Take accountability. And he's like, Liz, let me ask you a question. In the car, you were upset with Alicia, but then it really turned to Joelle. She's like, because you both knew it was happening, and you ambushed me, and I felt, like, heartbroken. She's like, you were ambushed? You ambushed me. And then you ambushed her. And, like, you threw her against the fucking thing and grabbed her. And, like, that's, like, that's the ambush right there. And so, I mean, I think I know what Liz is saying. She's like, okay, I made this little comment. You weren't homeless. And then now you're going to, like, make it look like I'm this terrible person for a whole season.

25:53Use it against me. And, you know, make me look like a villain when, you know, everybody thinks I'm mean already. And then you're just going to be like, oh, there's mean old Liz. Like, I kind of get where Liz is coming from. But, Liz, you're doing this to yourself.

26:06Ben Mandelker: she's she's not very good like she's not very good at like you know getting the sympathy and i think that she does have a fair claim to say look you know like you were like why didn't you why don't you advocate if you're gonna be the mediator also advocate for me and say like you know that i wasn't trying to hurt you like you know it right but maybe joe well yeah well but you know like i was definitely surprised like how quickly this this escalated and you know i'm just like i'm in the back seat and um i didn't know what was going on and then i'm telling alicia to stop and liz to stop you know and i'm crying and you know they're both my friends i don't want to see them fighting oh gosh and then it went to capo continue there and then like you know like then liz is upset i'm not a good enough mediator and liz is like well you know you never said alicia you know we're hot you know she didn't mean it you were very much like oh you have a right to filthy.

27:00No one can take away your feeling behind this. I mean, come on. I'm a fucking villain.

27:07Ben Mandelker: And I guess she was also saying, because she's just having been consoling and knowing beforehand that was going to happen. She's kind of like saying, this is all fake, because you knew that Alicia was going to cry, and I have like a moment in the car. This is going to be a scene, and you guys planned it. And then you're consoling her as if you had no idea she was going to burst into tears. You were just playing this role, so that way you could look like this comforting friend. I think that's what she's trying to say here. And And Joellen's like, I didn't know if any of this was going to happen.

27:30Ben Mandelker: Okay? Because I didn't even know if I'd even be able to have a babysitter because my ma. Okay? I wasn't even sure I could even go to Capo in the first place. Oh, you didn't listen to your voice memos? Oh, so the world's number one detective doesn't listen to the voice memo. Okay. Do you remember I was at a concert that day and I didn't call you back? Do you remember that? Oh, yeah. I remember you were a Morgan Wallen. All right. Go get her, Internet. Go get her. I know. Great. Do a Colin fan Knock over a piano So Joellen's like No I was hungover as fuck the next day That's what I'm trying to say And she's like Number one detective hungover Watch out for hungover detective Matlock got drunk last night with Columbo So Rula's like Nobody's gonna believe you Joellen She's like stop speaking Nobody believes your husband That's who nobody believes I'm talking to you Jo I referred back to your voice message a hundred times to you.

28:31Ben Mandelker: And Joellen's like, I know, and you and I have talked about this. She's like, ah, sorry, the number one, the world's number one detective didn't go and listen to the voices. Liz has really hung on to this number one detective thing. Number one ladies detective agency. Miss you Jill Scott. Miss you Jill Scott. That was a good show. God, I missed that show. I was so upset that show didn't come back. So Joellen's like, oh, you know what? You took this out on me, and this was the thing you had with Alicia She's like, oh, you're not gonna win, Paul You're not gonna win, Jessica Fletcher, okay? The neighbor did it Rilla goes, oh my She goes, oh, you know what?

29:08Ben Mandelker: Shut the fuck up when we're speaking She's like, kiss my ass You don't have an ass, your skin's falling off Well, I don't have to pump ozempic to look like this Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey Back off my breakfast, okay? So then Joellen goes Well if I got it I never opened it I could scroll up I don't know what that means She's talking about her voice messages I still don't understand what this voice memo Or whatever is Me neither So Liz is like It's still to this day Refer to them several times You can just pull up your phone right now I'm a detective How do I work a telephone Okay, you know what? When we talk, like 57 ,000 texts after that.

29:56Ben Mandelker: Like, I've not scrolled up, okay? I'm sorry I didn't see the voice memo. See, Liz, Joellen's full of shit. Joellen is, I'm telling you, like Liz is the most criminal acting, but really, Joellen. So she said, you still, all you have to do is look at your thing and then look for media. Duh. You know how to do this. It's very easy. But Joellen, you know what? Joellen, like I said, I think Joellen's been ready for this reunion. She really is good at playing dumb When she needs to play dumb She's good at playing the I'm just innocent when she needs to play innocent She's good with her clapbacks This is a really great forum for her Alright you're full of shit This is why I don't trust the thing you say She's like oh really You don't find me being undying Undying loyalty to you What I don't trust you You're a sick girl You're a real sick girl So then, like, I guess Alicia's trying to jump in to try to say something.

30:51Ben Mandelker: And Jerome's like, Alicia, stop. Okay, Liz, you stop. Okay, I tried to make it better. She's like, yes, it go. Okay. I got the hand on my leg, the three abs. Oh, calm down. Calm down. That's not making it any better, Kelly. And she goes, well, if someone goes like this, she's not your hand, though. There's a difference. You don't put your hands on somebody to talk to. She's like, no, no, it's not your body. because normal people can be touched, okay? Like, normal people can be touched, and you can't be touched, and, like, that's an act of affection. Like, okay, I'm sorry, I'd, like, touch you in an affectionate way, and I'm like, that wasn't affectionate?

31:30Ben Mandelker: What? I'm trying to tell you, I got your head off me. Nah, not what you does. That's a little weird. So, Rowan's like, that's, no, that's me being like, please stop. You're looking bad. I'm your best friend, okay? My hand is saying, I'm your best friend. I care about you the most, and I'm trying to protect you, and you're saying, I'm trying to protect Alicia. I'm trying to protect you. And he's like, for what? You're looking crazy. I'm like, oh, Joellen, that ship sailed a very long time ago, and it's in the Newport Harbor right now. Okay, so the biggest psychopath on the planet. Whatever. Number one detective, also the biggest psychopath on the planet.

32:07Ben Mandelker: Congrats on all your awards. By the way, just to say again, And the reason I love her so much is that she is leaning back literally pretty calm the whole time. You know, we're making it more yelly because we're just recapping. But she gets everybody so worked up and saying.

32:31Just making me laugh because she is getting them so worked up. And Joellen's like, this is me. No, you know, wait, I'm sorry. I got lost from loving Liz. Oh, OK. So Andy's like, hey, we're going to leave it there. We're going to break for lunch, okay? And Alicia's like, I'm starving. Perfect timing. I'm so hungry. Oh, my God. Gotta eat. I gotta eat.

32:53Ben Mandelker: So they go to their dressing rooms. And then Joellen's like, Liz is a crazy bitch. And Rose is with Alicia. Alicia's like, why don't you eat? You know what? I love avocado. I love avocado. You want to have some avocado? I love an avocado. Kelsey's hanging out with Liz. And she's like, wow, Lizzie McGuire. Wow, what's going on over there? And Alicia then goes to Joellen And she's like, do you want to talk? She's like, well, I have anxiety She's like, what are you having? She's like, hot water I love hot water I've got between the avocado and the hot water So much to enjoy So meanwhile, Liz and Kelsey Liz is like, I just knew what I was walking into You know, like, it felt like an ambush And meanwhile, Alicia is saying It doesn't even make any sense, Joellen Joellen's like, I mean, she has this paranoia You know, she has like these paranoid feelings and like she believes everyone's against her and like in reality you're like just trying to tell her how you felt and i was just trying to de-escalate the situation like we had a 30 minute ride to boston it was so long like we could have gone to paris in that time it was so far so so far so then kelsey is like um she's like well you know what you felt an ambush and i don't think that she necessarily thought that that was gonna happen because of the ongoing going.

34:08Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I'm going. Well, you mean, she what, when she brought it up and segued into it? Well, the fact that she started crying and stuff, I think that she thought she was going to go the other way and you like, you know, you should give her a sash, not, you know, not homeless. Homeless, you're homeless. Meanwhile, Rula is talking to Rosie and she's like, Brian didn't do anything to get Joellen fired. This has to stop. The guys are going to be coming soon. They're going to be coming. oh my gosh the husbands oh i didn't even think about that we have to listen to your fucking husband now i know it's like bring it don't be in our business anymore okay already owned everything it's like none of your business anymore and rose is like well she's ready to attack it's like yeah they're just fucking lies i don't do well with lies because i don't lie so they all go back up unless you're married to it yeah seriously so they all go back on stage She would bring out some crackers.

35:09Ben Mandelker: No, I really didn't get to eat lunch. I just want some crackers. Crackers, avocado, hot water, love it all, and a horse. And Ashley goes, Priscilla, do you have eye drops? Priscilla is the hardest working woman in this industry. It's got to be the same Priscilla. I mean, what the hell? She's on every show, this Priscilla. Good for her. Go, Priscilla. She's been around since the beginning, Priscilla. The producer's like, hey, Rula, can you slide a little closer? to Liz. Rilla's like, as long as she promises not to swing at me. Joellen's watching and she's like, oh, I love that Rilla, Rilla's loving the fact that Liz and I are fighting.

35:50Ben Mandelker: She loves this right now because she's so mad that Rilla and Liz are chummy again after their little dust up earlier. Alright, we're back! Well, when we left off, we were talking about Liz feeling ambushed. Liz, I'm trying to understand, why are you mad at Joellen again? Because she was on board with it, okay? On board with setting you up to discuss Alicia not really being homeless again? And Liz like, correct. And Joelle's like, can I ask something, though? And Alicia jumps in and she's like, but that's not the cast. I would not go after you. Like, that was more of an attack towards me. I don't know how you got attacked.

36:30Ben Mandelker: Liz's like, oh, it looks that way, but it's not exactly how it went down, it might appear that way. So, Joellen's like, take ownership of your behavior, Liz. And she's like, oh, really? I need to take ownership of my behavior? Babe, you are the most cunning, scary human being I've ever seen, and I ain't taking ownership of my behavior. I'm not excusing it at all, okay? And she's like, that's not taking ownership. She goes, oh, you know what? I say what the fuck I want to say, okay? Whether you like it or not. that's not taking ownership though well yeah cunning sneaky little way by the way I think that Liz is trying to rebrand Joellen as the scary one because Liz does not like being called scary so she's like no I'm not scary it's Joellen like see how you like it being called scary commercials here comes one right now this episode is sponsored by Klarna you know when you buy something practical like groceries, plane tickets, or honestly I just did a whole, I need a new summer clothes because apparently none of last year's clothes survived my emotional support snacking era situation.

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41:07Ben Mandelker: Get over yourself. You're not that great. I don't think I am. It wasn't a setup. If it was a setup, it would be a lot better than that. Now relax. All right. Liz, I want to ask you. We've all seen the scene on TV where Rosie's husband is singing quite beautifully. Then there was the scene and then there was the hair tug and the chaos at the table. The hair touch and the chair push. Okay, let's talk about that. So we see this clip of her doing the, like, you know, tug on the hair and the push of the chair. And then it cuts back and Liz goes, I'm tactile defensive. Sorry. I'm a tactile person. What do you want from me?

41:56Ben Mandelker: Tactile defensive. All I wanted was space. John's like, but if you're tactile defensive, then why pull my hair? She's like, well, I just wanted it away from me, okay? And I just want, I thought I was like, you know, you know how I always call a dolly? It's because like with a dolly, you pull the cord and something happens. So I thought, pull the hair and then she'll move away. You know, that's a tactile defensive. And I really liked that she's like, listen, she had her hands on me for three hours. And Liz is like, and she goes, okay, so it was wrong. I just wanted you away from me. I wasn't physically assaulting you.

42:26Oh, I push your chair. She's pulling someone's hair and kicking them in the chair and pushing my chair twice. She's like, what did you say to me? I'll beat the fucking shit out of you Oh, uh oh, did you say that? Did you say that? I did say that Everyone has witnessed you exhibit Really bizarre and fucking mean But I own my shit

42:48Ben Mandelker: That's the difference between you and me So Rula tries to say something And Liz is like, no, no, no, this one's mine I got this one, this is mine, okay So, look, you apologize to Alicia I wasn't even the one that you're fighting with And Liz is like, I don't think Alicia Has evil intent or even a bad heart Okay, you 100 % do. All right, do you feel like you owe her an apology for what happened to Capo? She's like, no, no will I ever. I was like, yes, good for you, Liz. So Jerome's like, I love an unrespected house life. She's like, fuck no, I don't apologize to her, you crazy vaping. Like, yeah, no.

43:28Ben Mandelker: That just shows her character. She's like, well, most people fear being exposed, And I fear character manipulation And Joellen's like, well you should fear it the next time I pull your hair, how about that? Because you know, that's just like not It's not nice, you're like not a nice person Oh wow, that must have really Harmed you the hair out of place Wow, number one detective doesn't have number one hair Oh god, I still see I still can't see what really happened Yeah, I like that I still can't even really see what happened It was dark in there, the video barely showed anything Yes It's like, what about kicking the chair?

44:01What about pushing my chair? I don't know. It's normal behavior to have your devil hands on someone for three hours when they're telling you to get them off.

44:10Ben Mandelker: Well, who looks like the devil? You do. It's like, you're in sight rage. Well, you fought with every single person on the stage. Who's the devil now? Not Ashley. So who's the devil now? She's like, oh, I don't want to be the devil, but I'll be the devil if you need me to. So they just go back and forth. And Liz is like, you're not a good friend. And they talk about how Alicia is at least nice. So she's not going to come after Alicia because she actually likes her. But Joellen can fuck herself. And she's like, Andy goes, so Joellen and Liz, have the two of you ever been in a fight? And Liz goes, I want to say why, Joellen.

44:44Go ahead and say why, Joellen. You know you want to. Go ahead and say it. She's like, okay. Yeah. Okay. Because I borrowed your clothes. And then you said, where's my clothes? I said, just glue your clothes and smell like smoke. And you got mad.

44:59Ben Mandelker: She's like, I said, do you want me to dry clean these? Because they smell like smoke. They smell like slut. They smell like an awful, awful scary person was wearing these. And I wanted to know if you want me to dry clean them. And Liz was like, I lent you that over my kid. She's like, you were going to lend me your kid? No, I was going to lend you the stuff to my kid. Oh, okay. Well, you didn't tell me that. She's like, you never gave it back, by the way. I gave it back. I gave it back the day I got home, okay? And she's like, well, it kind of smelled like smoke. I don't even smoke in it, really.

45:25Ben Mandelker: Just smoke around it. I got in a fight because she borrowed her ski suit and then said it smelled like smoke. I can't with this show. Joellen's like, well, we had to hide it in the closet because it stunk up the whole room. I had my children that night, and it smelled like smoke. You see? Okay, so you fought over a smoky snowsuit. I wonder how this leaves you. Not really. That was sarcastic. And Joellen's like, well, I thought we recovered. And then like watching it back, I was pretty surprised that Liz didn't text me and be like, hey, listen, I don't remember doing that. I'm sorry I did that.

45:58Ben Mandelker: And I think of Liz as a very close friend. And I was just like with Liz on Mother's Day a week and a half ago, maybe two weeks ago, but maybe we're not friends. When did this narrative come that we were ever best friends? What? She's like, I thought we were. And I was gravely mistaken that my best friend is treating me like we were never best friends. I picked her up on Mother's Day because she was upset about her mother and her sister. I would have done that with anybody. And Joanne's like, you are a narcissist. She's like, because Liz is like, you embody somebody that my soul rejects. And I'm sorry you think I reject you, but I'm not your ma, bitch.

46:38Ben Mandelker: And so Joanne's like, you are a narcissist, but you are the same exact type of person. I look for love from you. And maybe I need to distance myself from you and her. Maybe that's what I got to do. You're not my mom. And so Andy's like, well, Alicia and Liz, where do you two stand right now? So Alicia's like, oh, I will always love Liz. We're good. Alicia just comes right back down. It's like, I love her. Like, we're fine. I love her. She's the best. She's great. Yeah. And Liz's like, oh, yeah, I'm never going to see Alicia and not want to laugh. You know, I'll be happy with her. She's good. You know, like even we went into a store the other day and she went, I love a good fireplace.

47:14And I'm like, oh, my God, what did you say? It's so funny. It's just so funny. Joelle's a fucking bitch, so hope she dies

47:22Ben Mandelker: Alright, we're gonna have a commercial break And we are back! Whoa! So Rosie, at Trivia, you said that Joelle and Liz and Cassie have a clique Why do you think that they're so tight? And how do you feel about it? Oh my god They literally do They're so bad with just having each other's back on every little thing Clearly Yeah, and Rosie's like, I mean, they all know each other I mean, they're all from Cranston That's, like, probably part of it And I know that like Alicia liking me was like a huge issue for them. And they started like calling her the flip flopper. And I think that they're just like protecting each other.

47:53Ben Mandelker: And like, that's nice. And I think that like all three of them jumped down my throat at the mansion from that backhanded compliment. And we see clips of that. And it's true. They did when, when Kelsey was really obnoxious and said, I think that's the first time you've ever told the truth. And they were like, that's a compliment Rosie. And Rosie was supposed to like, just like take it and be happy. And Kelsey's like, yeah, but in the moment I was like genuine, like, you know, like, you know, I mean, she can roll her eyes but like i really did think she was being genuine that's not the problem kelsey and so you said she was never telling the truth about anything else in her whole life holler and then he's like well yeah i think it's just you think you're being honest for the first time maybe that was the issue kelsey's like but i said what i said it was funnier when you need leaks at it yeah rosie is like rosie's like i mean at this point like just like doesn't even matter.

48:45Ben Mandelker: And Liz is like, yeah, you're being Oprah for the first time. And Andy's like, will you accept her apology? She goes, um, I don't think that was an apology. Oh, sorry, I thought that's how they defined an apology on road tripping. Ha! Hey, could you apologize for road tripping? Because, that's a stinker. Wow, that stinks worse than Liz's snowsuit. Definitely, it's part of the overall NBCU world and I don't want to be associated with that. NBC-P-U, am I right? Crow tripping.

49:22Ben Mandelker: Alicia's like, well, I think that they're trying to sniff you out and they want to know who your family was and they want to know more about you and who your ex-boyfriend was. It's just like a Rhode Island thing. It's just like what we do in Rhode Island. That's it. Okay. Then you can't get mad at her. Then you guys can't get mad at her for asking if Kelsey's a polygamist, which still makes me laugh. So Liz is like, you know, I don't do the click thing. I don't do that. I never have anything against it. I don't want blunt loyalty. I mean, I made attempts with you. I don't do the staunch. If you hate it, I hate it.

49:54Because certainly nobody does that for me.

49:58Ben Mandelker: Rosie's like, well, Joellen was the one who told me that you had a whole group chat and you talked shit about me and then deleted it. And, you know, the things like that. So it makes me think, okay, I know Kelsey doesn't like me, clearly. And Joellen like talk shit about me as much as she can but then she tells me we're friends and like you hang out with them so like how am i supposed to know like what to do this goes all right well sometimes we talk shit about you but then once i liked you i was like we should go delete it you know so i did say we should delete it it wasn't i was being nice well it wasn't once she found out that she liked rosie she says once i started figuring out like what this was over here meaning like oh shit i'm talking shit about you in front of joellen who's gonna like narc on me i was like oh i have to delete this all because i don't want joellen chased like you know using this against me right so she goes so what like what joellen does is she has dinner with rosie and tells rosie i was so vicious in this text thread and then i forced them all to delete it and joellen goes oh wow she really mimics me so well that's not entirely accurate no my my mimicry needs work for sure And so Joanne's like But we all agreed to delete And that was even before we started filming And Liz is like Oh then why would you tell her I forced you then I was drunk I was drunk That's why I did it Okay well it sounds like Rosie has good reason to be suspicious of you guys And Kelsey says Look we've all said negative things about each other Rosie's like you guys all talked about me And they're like yeah we did So why do we have to delete it They make the fight about why they deleted the thing instead of like, I know.

51:35You guys clearly hate me on text.

51:37Ben Mandelker: I can't. We're not a clique. We're just a group of women who all are on our own text thread who talk shit about you and don't want you part of our group. But we're not a clique. So funny. So Andy's like, well, I'm watching what happens live. Joellen said Rosie stopped answering her texts after the season began airing. She's like, oh. And Rosie says, that's not true. I do text her on and off. I mean, from like an extended period of time where I thought she was saying mean things in the press about me, and so it was hurting my feelings. But, you know, on top of that, she started making these videos about road tripping.

52:08Oh, God, who would want to live that even through a spoof?

52:12Ben Mandelker: I know. We see that Joellen had these videos on social media called Road Tripping with Joellen. And Joellen's like, you know, like, hey, guys, come with us on our road trip to New York City. What do you guys eat on a road trip? I'll tell you my favorite thing, Slim Jims. I would be, I just would be mad for like ruining the road trip and brand with the Slim Jim's content creation. So Rosie's like, she's like, yeah, you were guys, you guys were like mocking my job. It's like, well, I did text you about it. It was my social media girl. Like she was the one who named it road trip. And that wasn't me.

52:42Ben Mandelker: I had no idea. I didn't even know I was on camera. I was sleepwalking. It wasn't even my voice. It was my mom's. Like, I believe that your social media girl is like making you do these videos. It was your idea. Joe outlined. She goes, um, no, my social media girl did it. And then I had to have the text to her. I said, oh, you have to be really careful because you called that road tripping. You called that road tripping. I mean, that show wasn't that show. That show's terrible. I said, you have to be really careful because we don't want our brand stuck with the worst thing in the entire NBCU portfolio.

53:18Ben Mandelker: Rosie's like, yeah, but you made like four or five of them. So then Rula jumped in. And Rula never noticed. Yep. Whoops. Five videos later, she's like, whoops, social media girl. Maybe we should retitle these. I'm so sure. And Rula's like, Joe Welland, there's always an excuse with this one or that one. Rula, stop speaking. I don't even know who you are. Who? This is like a new cast member. Oh, God. Who are you? Who are you? You're in three episodes. Shut the fuck up. You're in three episodes. Oh, yeah. No one even knows who you are. Who are you? I'm way more important than you, bitch. Sit the fuck down.

53:58You're nobody.

54:00Ben Mandelker: I'm so glad you're finally speaking because, like, you were in no episodes. You're nobody. You're fucking slut is what you are. Well, guess what? Your husband's a slut. Fuck you. You sleep with doctors. You have it after my husband. You sleep with doctors. I don't know what's bigger, your mouth or what's between your legs, bitch. And she's like standing up now trying to make this big scene. Andy stands up trying to like guard her. And Joellen's like, I'm going to break your fucking nose. Alicia's like, no, no, don't, don't, no. She just got her face done. Don't do that. I'm so good. No, you can't do that.

54:38Ben Mandelker: She just got her face done. Okay, say something, Rula. You're fucking nuts. Say something. You all fucking know. You know. You know. Know what? Know what? She's a fucking whore, but she wants to point the finger at everyone else. Oh, I'm a whore? Your husband's not a whore? No. It's like, put my husband aside. It's a separate conversation. You can't even admit to that. Please, bitch. Dun, dun, dun. And then next week, the husbands come out and it will be a shit show. But I thought, great, great reunion. Great. And the fact that it's a two-part reunion makes sense because this one had no fluff.

55:24Ben Mandelker: It was just all really good stuff. And it was supersized. I wonder if they're going to do two supersized ones, which would equal three anyway. That would be two and a half. Running times. No, because if there are two that are supersized, that's three. No, because they're not – well, I was at 90 minutes of – Yeah, this one was an hour and a half. Oh, it was 90 minutes. Because 54 plus 54 would be 108. And that would be, yeah. That would be, no, that's a little short. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. The point is, the point is, it's a great reunion.

56:06The point is, I think you should all trust the person with math who just went to a college reunion. And not the person.

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