#3427 In the City S1E6 Part One: The Best Little Hoard House In New York

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1:50Ben Mandelker: Watch what happens when there's so much that crap ends. Well, hello, and welcome to Watch What Crappens podcast about all that crap on Bravo. We'd love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker. Joining me today is the one and only Ronnie Karam. Hi, Ronnie. How's it going today? Well, hello. How are you? Oh, I'm fabulous. I'm absolutely fabulous. We are here today to talk about In the City. And you should also join us on the Patreon because we've got all sorts of cool stuff there. Bonus episodes, quips, video, which is Crap It's On Demand, And a free newsletter written by Ronnie. Although I may contribute my quote-unquote TED Talk this week.

2:52Ben Mandelker: We'll see if I'm lazy or not. And we also have just all sorts of great stuff there. Discord. So go join that. Patreon.com slash watch what crappens. And I don't know. We're like in the thick of it with pop culture right now. We were going to do House the Dragon Winter's Crappening today. And we said, you know what? let's do it yesterday so it's actually already out if you're looking around for it and you're like when's it gonna come out it's out so keep an eye and an ear out for that we had a lot of fun recapping that show and we swapped it with mcb so if you're wondering where the mcb dynasty uh recap is that will happen later today but for now let's talk about the true house of dragons which is this cast um and in the city what did you think ronnie how did today's episode make you feel this cast is is the dragons no dragons in this cast what else i mean like dragon like d-r-a-g-g-i-n

3:52Ronnie Karam: um it was enjoyable the city listen i'm in the same quandary that i've been in for the past few weeks i'm so fucking sick of amanda and kyle i can't take anymore so it's just more to me it's just more amanda and kyle fighting however i really was shockingly touched by the kenny and his dad scene i was like i'm really i'm really a sucker at the end of the day i cried two times for that and i was like why am i crying for fucking kenny um yeah danielle stuff i didn't really care i really like lindsey's best friend starting to annoy her because you can see that lindsey's gonna kill this woman at some point yvonne you mean um but yeah overall pretty fun

4:32Ben Mandelker: how'd you feel yeah yeah i felt fine it was good i i enjoyed it um i uh like i am i'm actually not sick of the uh kyle and amanda stuff and i find it fascinating and they are definitely like a toxic duo and i i like emerging from an episode feeling a certain way whether it's like love or hate because as they say the opposite of love is not hate it's indifference so i love when an episode will move me towards feeling something um i think a good counterpoint would be nickby dynasty later on today and i think what i like about this is like yeah amanda is like super annoying and i think she's like really spoiled and it's like it's like watching the two of them they're so toxic it's like oh shut up but also like i like that i feel the need to be like shut up if that makes sense like i like that the show is is creating something in me um as opposed to other shows on tv or just around or any sort of entertainment where you're just like okay whatever and you turn it off and you like go back with your life you know yeah like i guess i get what you're saying but for me i'm actually okay i like it i like it yeah i like i like that i know being

5:51Ronnie Karam: annoyed being annoyed well yeah you know that's my favorite emotion is annoyance obviously hello been doing this for 14 years and it's 90 me being annoyed so obviously i enjoy it too the amanda stuff is crazy because amanda is so fucking annoying but she's also right so like she's also right at least half the time in these fights and i'm like oh i hate i hate even taking your side when i'm so pissed at you right now but i mean girl's a point but then she manipulates you know let's just get into it so we start with um a thigh die we're in five and um hello it switches from kyle and amanda's apartment to kyle's apartment it should say kyle's apartment full of amanda's shit forever you know what that's it you break up with me your shit's gone you can that's so true you yell at me you scream at me you tell me what a loser i am and then you leave all your shit in the apartment no ma 'am that shit is fucking gone i will call you home myself how dare you and it's so disgusting it's all over the place what a pig this is a manipulation on her end to say, it's a temporary move out, but it's a year-long lease, but it's a temporary move out.

7:07Ben Mandelker: I'm going to leave half my stuff at the house, cluttering it up, which I know has been one of your main issues with me, but I'm not going to fix that part. But I'm going to act like I'm going to come back in when I actually have no intention to. And by the way, nor should she have an intention to. As awful as Amanda is, it's like, yes, honestly, cut the cord, move on. like you guys are not each other's people i don't care if i think amanda's the most annoying person in the world i i at least have enough empathy to say this guy is not for you and we've been saying it for years and years and multiple times a day over the past few months and so like years

7:46Ben Mandelker: i just like honestly like what is this why are you leaving your shit there like you know you're not going back stop lying to yourself stop lying to kyle get all your stuff put it into storage

7:57Ronnie Karam: move on yeah and it's not even clutter even the word clutter infuriates me watching this because this is not clutter this is literally mountains and mountains of your shit in every corner of the apartment it is disgusting i can't believe he ever stayed with her for this long i mean i would never that is horrid horrid horrid and i don't want to hear the mental health blah blah blah of course people have a right to have mental health issues i'm one of them but there is no excuse if i had a roommate and i had the house like this and i was like but i have depression that would never fly i don't know how this is flying and i'm i'm like infuriate once we've actually seen this amount we've seen like little hints of it but today we've heard about it and we've heard about it but you know part of me was like well kind of kyle's just anal you know maybe kyle's just anal and there's like a few clothes a few extra clothes around who doesn't need a couple of clothes racks when you live in new york city that's what i've thought but to see it today i was like oscar the grouch would be mortified this is horrid yeah and you're also it's abusive it is it is it is clutter abuse to your partner yeah well also i mean and honestly a new york

9:12Ben Mandelker: city space is a premium you're basically spending thousands of dollars to have a room for the stuff now like you said obviously hoarding is a uh it is a manifestation of you know whatever's going on in her life etc and i don't think either one of us like we don't we don't like uh what's the right word we're not like oh fuck her for being a hoarder but it's one of the to me what it is is like you're moving out so like you should move your stuff out too and on top of that like her big issue with Kyle is about that he parties too much and he drinks too much he's out too late and I fully agree with that like if your wife is telling you like I need you to be more present I need you to stop drinking as much you've got to pull that shit back or be willing to part ways because like that's your wife needs that from you but now at the same time Kyle it seems like Kyle's been I'm not going to say pretty patient but he has been low key sort of grumbling about this hoarding for a while and everyone's been like, oh, Kyle, whatever.

10:20Ben Mandelker: But it's a real thing. And like, what are you doing on your end as well to meet the needs of your husband? I'm sorry, like both people in the partnership have to like make the accommodations to make it work. I'm not saying the hoarding's on the same level as drinking. I think drinking is actually a little bit more of a serious, not serious, but it's like, that's more of the pressing issue to deal with. But like, lady, come on, come on. Like, you have to pull up here as well. And if that means putting all your stuff in a U-Haul while you do your temporary move out, that's what it is. I mean, the whole point of you moving out is that way you're away from his drinking, right?

10:58Ben Mandelker: So I think that he deserves to be away from your hoarding.

11:03Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I'm different from you in that, to me, it is not just about the moving out. If you live like this in a relationship, you're a fucking monster and you're abusive to your partner. You're clutter abusing your partner. This is disgusting to make anybody live like this, period. And if I was living like this and you dumped me, I would move this shit out in one second. I don't care if I cheat. I don't care what I did. I don't care if I stole a car, like, with a baby in the backseat. You still shouldn't treat me like this. It's horrible. It's horrible. So, yeah. So, we see shots of this apartment.

11:35Ronnie Karam: It is, you know. So, how many times do I need to say it? So Kyle's talking to their dog. And he's like, wow, is she sure she got everything? Because his house is still full of shit. And we just see the bed piled up halfway to the ceiling. And then we see shots of the living room with her clothes and shit just piled everywhere. Nasty. So there are suitcases all over the place, too. And he's just like, oh, my God, fuck my life.

12:02Ben Mandelker: Yeah, this is clearly his nightmare because he is so anal. You can tell he puts everything in its place. and like this is this has been a living nightmare for him so now we see Amanda walking down a hall carrying Reese and she's like this is your new home look Peanut, Mommy got you a new home. I'm like isn't this supposed to be temporary? Why are you speaking so permanently to the dog? Might I ask? This is a cute place.

12:31Ronnie Karam: Yeah, it's nice.

12:33Ben Mandelker: And she's like moving out. well i said you can't wait to see it all filled up stacks of sweatshirts i know we're getting

12:41Ronnie Karam: there already all the boxes i'm like oh no it's even in there i don't even want don't even open them i don't want to know it's stressing me out so she's like moving will really let us do a reset but it's weird it's like sad i've never lived by myself before and i thought whoa i guess she really hasn't but that's crazy to me i could never tell when i look at amanda i say this is someone

13:05Ben Mandelker: who has a very independent lifestyle um so yeah she's never lived by herself but she's gonna do it for a few weeks before west comes into the picture amanda is that person who's like i'm single and i can't wait to do all the single things and she's single for five seconds and then she's back with a guy and you're like okay thanks see you later

13:27Ronnie Karam: uh so she it's bittersweet but she's happy she did it uh then gavin buys a slice of pizza and we go to Blick Art Materials and Georgina's FaceTiming with her mom and she's like, mom, I thought you were going to meet me at the store. Here I am. You're not here. And she's like, I couldn't. I've got a stye. No. No, you said you were going to meet me somewhere and you just don't show up and now you're claiming a stye. Get your ass to the store. Now I'm mad at the mom. I don't even know the mom. Who does that? When I have a stye, I show up and I say, I'm a monster. I'm sorry. Yeah, wear sunglasses.

14:02Ben Mandelker: wear sunglasses bertha bertha so then georgina's like oh yeah it looks terrible well this sucks because i scheduled exactly one hour and 16 minutes to hang out and she's like i know and that's why i didn't want to come because i knew the entire time you'd be like well we're at one

14:15Ronnie Karam: hour and 13 minutes left mother what else do you want to talk about well also i'd like to point out look i'm not i'm not in a place to really mommy shame but george georgina what are you doing at blick art materials when your son just painted his wiener green okay you mean you might need to take a step back from the art materials for a while okay it's called go to the sponge container

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16:47Ben Mandelker: now we go to Gramercy Park and we're at Yvonne and Nick's apartment and Yvonne's in the back putting on makeup next to her sad peloton which she's apparently has turned into a rack for her clothing because I saw I was like oh on that peloton just turning into a sad statue in the corner and um he's like Nick comes in he's like hello my darling fiance say hello and uh she's to ask if he's excited for today because it's going to be their wedding day well their official american wedding day down in city hall so gramercy parks in manhattan no i thought they lived in brooklyn no i think only i think only uh danielle lives in brooklyn but then they go to the city

17:30Ronnie Karam: hall in brooklyn which is actually a very smart move yeah that's where the availability was

17:36Ben Mandelker: wait there's a city i thought there's only one city hall i think so i thought city halls only because like there's you can't have multiple city halls maybe there's like a city hall in brooklyn i you know what i didn't i didn't pay attention to carefully so uh to that aspect of the show so

17:56Ronnie Karam: i'll put a pin in it i just thought wow city hall in brooklyn that's a smart move because you don't have to wait in the long lines you know it's like when you need to get your license stuff done and you go to the valley somewhere instead of hollywood where you know you're going to be in hell for six

18:10Ben Mandelker: hours yeah well there's borough hall in brooklyn and then there's also a uh there's a brooklyn municipal building and um there's also some farm-to-table restaurants so maybe it was one

18:23Ronnie Karam: of those there's also a play where you place where you can golf inside when they went to williamsburg and showed all those guys at that golf inside at the screen place i was like what happened to williamsburg i mean i've heard that williamsburg went crazy like tech money and got really fancy and stuff but now when i lived in williamsburg it was you wouldn't be caught dead with a place like that like a fancy it's for the golfers it's for the golfing yuppies oh hell no you better be making some steel in williamsburg or like brewing coffee out of your own soil on the roof of your plate or something it was like hippie town you know yeah back then i feel back

19:03Ben Mandelker: then it was like well even before then it was basically just like it was like my people it was like all it was like basically i think it still has a strong it's got a huge huge hasidic community community yeah it's like hasidic and hipsters it's like it's like uh you know yeah our building

19:22Ronnie Karam: was a pasta factory on kent avenue and we were above uh we were right on the river and then we were above um a hasidic school so we could see you know all the kids playing around and like the men had one entrance and the women had another entrance and we saw you know like a lot of their customs and stuff yeah and it was crazy having all these like i'm an artist i'm making a deal you know like white ladies with really long dreads you know down to there but it's like walking alongside the or you know in the sand with the giant furry hats yeah yeah

19:57Ben Mandelker: It was like a lot of cultures in one place. But now indoor golf. Indoor golf. It's very exciting.

20:03Ronnie Karam: It gets y 'all. It gets all of us. The indoor golf. So yeah, they're getting ready for their city hall wedding, which is cute. I'm really starting to like this Nick guy. I wasn't sure what to make of him first. I think because his forehead doesn't move. And so I can't really tell what his face is saying. You know, like he has like these squinty eyes. He's kind of like a Lego man of a dad, if that makes any sense. But I like him. And I like his little comments throughout the show, how they're messy, but they're just very one-word, succinct, and kind of quiet. Like later, he's like, messy. And that's it.

20:41Ronnie Karam: And he always has that same look on his face, kind of smile, little squint eyes. So I kind of like him now.

20:47Ben Mandelker: I feel like his forehead is saying. Tufted! What? Tufted! What? Tufted chairs. That's what's on my mind right now.

21:04Ronnie Karam: So they've even got a little...

21:06Ben Mandelker: Wingback!

21:07Ronnie Karam: Ames. Ames.

21:09Ben Mandelker: Ames. Ames.

21:11Ronnie Karam: Ames. Adirondack! Yeah. So they've even got a little outfit for the dog, I guess, which is cute. And so they talk about their Mexican wedding And how big and iconic it was And now they have to do the City Hall thing And now they start talking about Lindsay And she's excited And Yvonne's like, well, you know Like, obviously she's over Carl But, I mean, it must really be hard for her Doing all this wedding stuff with me Because I know that Lindsay really, ultimately Just wants to find her person She pretends she's happy single But she's not happy being single She needs her person And she deserves that

21:51Ben Mandelker: why did i feel like there was something undermining about this little monologue and i was like i couldn't figure out what it was because it sounds like she was being supportive but there was something here that made me feel like oh yvonne and lindsey are not going to be friends very soon

22:06Ronnie Karam: right well i've got that feeling the past few weeks just because she's she's one of those like i do everything to support lindsey but occasionally i'll stand up for myself because she doesn't want to be called the lapdog and it's very reminiscent of danielle you know danielle's like i'm not a lapdog and everybody every season was like oh god danielle danielle does a stick up for lindsey you know because lindsey always has that friend she's always got a friend who's like a hundred percent solid to the point of sticking up for them you know and danielle's like i'm not just lindsey's lapdog and then danielle tried to come out and be her own person everyone's like oh hate it go back to being lindsey's lapdog okay if this is your if this is your your whole your you know self-realized personality take it back we send it back you know if you say lapdog one

22:58Ben Mandelker: more time shamia is going to appear in the mirror and trangle you be careful samia is just somewhere crying like how dare you call me a lapdog yeah i think they're like there was something weird about last week when Yvonne, I think she went to dinner or something with Danielle. And she's like, well, I met Danielle through Lindsay and we just became great friends. And so I thought, everything's good with them, so I can have dinner with them. And I was like, the reason why you're trying to explain this makes me feel like something's about to go down. And there's something about her saying, oh yeah, no, she's been so supportive.

23:36Ben Mandelker: And I know she's just dating right now, but I know deep down inside, she's a little sad. so i don't know i'm like something's brewing my spidey sense is tingling and i think it'll be a

23:46Ronnie Karam: good one well mine was definitely tingling last week for in that scene i was like oh lindsey's gonna eat you up for this you are gonna get in so much trouble for this danielle you know which danielle's never done anything to me you know and then little comments this one i personally didn't get it because i i didn't get that because i understood what she was saying like it's really hard because her and lindsey got engaged at the first time they were having their you know bridal showers at the same time and then lindsey's shit all went to hell and then yvonne is still married and they're still concentrating on her wedding and i think she's just saying like well it's nice that lindsey is so supportive and she's still the one i can count on for through all this shit and she's never like god i wish it worked out for me like it worked out for you guys like lindsey could be a lot more you know bitterschmitter about it and she's not at all which is pretty impressive which I think actually is pretty impressive just for anybody.

24:37Ronnie Karam: Yeah. You know, to not be like, well, hope you're enjoying your wedding. It's almost as fun as my divorce. Oh, yeah.

24:45Ben Mandelker: Yeah, there was a, by the way, there was an item, some sort of blind item last night or some gossip item that was like, Shannon Bedore is engaged to a boyfriend that she kept off camera all this time. And I was like, oh my God. And I realized that the person who was posting this was Shannon Bedore. And then she brought a caption underneath that says, well, love to meet him. classic Shannon being stood up even in my own blind items

25:11Ronnie Karam: let me tell you this much I've had an invisible boyfriend and even he was a jerk I mean turns out you don't have a physical body to be mean to somebody

25:23Ben Mandelker: excited for Shannon to be back next week but in the meantime we now go over to Kenny and Whitney's apartment and Wendy's asking how he's feeling and And Jenny's like, I'm about to pass out. I'm literally about to pass out. She's like, oh my God. No, it's good. It's like, it's not like you're walking into a situation wondering if they even want to hear you out. Like, so it's a really positive situation. And they're really eager to talk to you because of course they're referencing the fact that he's about to have a phone call with his dad for the first time in 25 years.

25:52Ronnie Karam: He's like, oh my God, my heart, my heart. Oh my gosh. Hold on, let me give you, let me put my hand on you and give you a little spark there. Feel anything?

26:00Ben Mandelker: No.

26:01Ronnie Karam: Anything now?

26:02Ben Mandelker: No. Do you want to rest your head on this wooden ball that I brought from California?

26:08Ronnie Karam: I was like, God damn it Get these fucking wooden balls out of my house Okay, okay, let's concentrate on my dad So he tells us the last time they communicated was 25 years ago He didn't even know he was alive for crying out loud So now he calls his dad And then the dad picks up His dad's Larry He's just cute He's like, Larry? And then the dad just starts crying He's like, oh my god And then I started crying too because I'm such a fucking sucker. You know, I hate that about myself. I hate that I can get on here and be like, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, all day long. And then the second somebody pulls this, obviously done for their season one of a reality show storyline bullshit.

26:48And I'm like, it's beautiful, Larry.

26:52Ronnie Karam: Larry, you didn't do anything wrong, Larry. You didn't do anything wrong.

26:56Ben Mandelker: except you know maybe you could have worked a little bit harder to find your son for 25 years

27:00Ronnie Karam: but you didn't do anything wrong so yeah i do have questions about that but i guess we'll get

27:04Ben Mandelker: yeah but for now i was like oh dad's crying so i guess that just got me we can kind of get there now because we see a flashback to the phone call um when kenny connected with the mom who was like just like right there on facebook uh they waste a lot of money on the pi um and the mom was like Like, well, we were looking for you all this time. I mean, he's at bowling right now. But, you know, we've been looking so hard for you. I'm like, have you? Have you really? Because, like, how did you not find him? Like, how did you not?

27:39Ronnie Karam: Like, listen, the whole I've searched for 25 years is a little bit bizarre. It's not like you don't know anybody in common, you know? I just, that was weird. Like, how have you been hiding? Did you change your name? I had questions about that as well.

27:56Ben Mandelker: Maybe the mom changed her number and they lost contact with the mom. I don't know. I mean, they're also older, so maybe they're not as savvy with doing some classic internet sleuthing the way a youngster would.

28:09Ronnie Karam: But you would know the mom's family and friends. You would know somebody that you could reach out to and be like, are they okay? Where are they right now? Where do they live? I want to try and reach out. So, yeah, I don't know. The 25 years – I've been looking for 25 years. I just haven't been able to find you is kind of weird in 2026. Yeah, it's a little weird. He did seem sweet.

28:32Ben Mandelker: But whatever. Other than that. Yeah, I actually did not – I didn't feel like this guy was, like, shifty. It was just one of those things where, like, come on, guys. You know what? This entire group, they could really pull up on their investigation skills. Because, like, why is it that Whitney was able to be like, oh, guys, look, it's on Facebook. Like, oh, there we all are.

28:51Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I mean, I can understand why there would be that much time that went on in general if you're like, well, he doesn't want to see me. And they told me he doesn't want to see me. So I'm trying to, you know, anything else. I mean, I can understand. I'm not just like, fuck that. You know, fuck this family. It's not that. It's specifically the line, I've been looking for you for 25 years, which I thought. Yeah. It's like settle down, Debbie. Yeah. Don't lie to us. Come on, Debbie. so Kenny is talking to his dad and he's like yeah you know Whitney found the account the account and then a picture of you popped up and I was like oh my god my heart sank and I'm like that's a little more gray than I remember but that's definitely him okay you get one you get one sir one oh wow you're you're sure old now but it's not funny but it's still you and then he does it again later and i was like kenny you are asking for if i was your dad i would put you over my knee and spank you know but the dad gets on the old dad gets him back dad also points out

29:56Ben Mandelker: that kenny's turned gray so that was retaliation that wasn't yeah so kenny is like i didn't know how you're gonna respond i thought there was a chance that i would call you and be like you know yeah i'm good down here don't worry about me and larry's like man don't start son i never want you to think that shit like i'm sorry i'm sorry we lost so many fucking years i'm sorry So they're crying and Whitney's like listening in from the hallway and you would think that she's probably listening in thinking like this is so sweet. But I think really her internal monologue was like, should I put the wooden balls on a different shelf?

30:30Ben Mandelker: I feel like they don't look good from this angle.

30:32Ronnie Karam: It was funny because she's like standing in the hall, but then there's a camera with her as well. Like very subtle, very subtle Whitney. I want them to have their alone time and I can't wait to meet Larry and I can be like, Larry let me teach you how to make toast

30:50Ben Mandelker: so Kenny is saying that he's happy, he's healthy he's like, and I'm in love with someone that I have a definite spark with huge spark so yeah, everything's great it's all you could really ask for he's like, oh, that's great he's like, yeah and then Larry's like, and I mean, I could have grandkids that I've never even fucking seen in my life. And Kenny's like, well, not quite yet. We don't have grandkids, but we do have a lot of extra clothing in this apartment if you'd like to look at it and some wooden balls. Does that count? Does that count?

31:20Ronnie Karam: So he invites Larry to come to New York and he says he can stay with him or he'll put him in a hotel. And he's like, oh yeah, I want to meet your woman. I know she's a good woman. I know she's a good woman. And Kenny's like, she really is. God, I just can't wait to start feeling it You know, can't wait for that to dawn on me But hey, um Get over here And I hear you're in bowling And there's like, yeah, oh, you don't want to go into the bowling alley with me, buddy I will get you I'll get you

31:51Ben Mandelker: Yeah, then we'll see the real state of the relationship So now we go to Williamsburg And we're at Danielle and Owen's apartment And here comes Danielle's mom Aida and so um she comes in i love danielle's mom i have to say danielle like she's a cutie danielle has yet to really really get to that s tier or a tier of bravo liberty but her mom great so she comes and she brings her like flowers and everything and she's like oh by the way i brought you some olive oil because the last time i was here you were low on olive oil i love it like that was like that occupied the mom's thoughts for the entire week danielle's

32:26Ronnie Karam: low in olive oil and if i don't have a daughter who doesn't have olive oil what did i read what

32:31Ben Mandelker: happens she may not even know what olive oil is she may not even know where to find it

32:36Ronnie Karam: i'm gonna have to save the situation yeah so danielle tells us that her mom is very puerto rican and is very into taking care of her you know adult children like they're still children and she loves it you know so today she's going to help her clean out some clothes to fit owen in and just the juxtaposition of this like okay i'm gonna have to get rid of a lot of my stuff stuff just because i love this person and i want to fit him into my life while amanda's like you fucking cheater you other women this and that and it's like amanda's getting divorced and never bothered to do even a quarter of this in her relationship it's just interesting because the fight was just put back in our face in the previews yeah and again i don't i really don't have i know we're like a little different on this i don't have any i don't like resent her for being like a hoarder

33:30Ben Mandelker: because I feel like it's probably, again, part of something larger in her life. But what I do resent is that she would move out but then just leave all her hoarded stuff behind and expect Kyle just to deal with it. And then when he wants to deal with it, then get mad at him because she's like, no, but I may come back. I don't like that at all. But it is interesting here that, so Danielle is, it's an interesting parallel that we have. We have some dealing with clutter, decluttering the life. what we bring into our lives like a dad what we try to get rid of in our lives like clothing so um uh yeah so she has her mom here to help but her mom is actually very little help because her mom is also kind of someone who likes to hold on to things her mom was like linda why would you get

34:15Ronnie Karam: rid of this it's gorgeous she's like mom we're getting rid of it you could you could literally have an entire rack of white blouses okay i know they're gonna get rid of her mom's like but this one has a tie on and you can make a tie or you could do it like, okay, I'll keep the one with the tie on it.

34:33Ben Mandelker: Danielle was like, did she raid the Elaine Stritch estate sale? It was just all silky white blouses. That's funny because that shirt specifically was very... It's like every outfit that Elaine Stritch wore on 30 Rock was on that rack. Yes, the ladies at lunch.

34:53Ronnie Karam: I'd also

34:54Ben Mandelker: like to add my grandma Sylvia too. I was like, that was Elaine Stritch and Sylvia Barish.

35:00Ronnie Karam: A lot of plops with tie things on them.

35:03Ben Mandelker: Silky blouse. Yeah, very much so.

35:05Ronnie Karam: RIP. So they start clearing it out. And then Danielle is talking about how the mom really loves Owen. And, you know, it was so cute. The mom just loves him because he just said, like, oh, I just can't wait to take care of her. And every mom wants to hear that. And it's just so cute. It's just so cute. I don't know. It's so cute. so um ada asked how it's going or ada or aida asked how it's going with owen i don't remember what i don't remember uh if it was ada or aida and danielle's like um the mom's like how's it going so it's been six months right she's like what do you have a calendar mom yes danielle

35:42Ben Mandelker: people pay attention to dates yeah they do they do do that um so yeah so so either way um she recruits her mom to do all this stuff and her mom is just so happy so happy about owen etc and she's like i see how happy you are and anybody that makes my kids happy it's part of my heart you know what i mean so just be patient with him be supportive she's like no i am i mean and my version of support is cleaning out my closets and unfortunately for him i think i'm going to keep most of the things so uh i guess i'm just not going to be supportive okay great

36:20Ronnie Karam: um so she starts talking about how really how it's so hard because the mom says you've been getting a lot of hate mail danielle's like yeah you know so hard being called the other woman it's just not true it's just not true mom and it's really herbal that people are trying to make me look like the other woman in this thing like divorce happens okay that's that's great and normally i'm like listen someone's separated they can go off and i'm not even i'm not changing that stance just because it's danielle i'm just saying that the scene that owen has really hurts your case coming up oh my gosh owen really hurts their case he's like what do you want me to tell you i'll tell you whatever you want to know i won't give you the truth that the true answer i don't want to but i'll get i was like oh yes they cheated yeah they cheated i didn't i didn't even have an opinion one way or the other before i saw that scene with owen but i was like oh yeah Yeah.

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40:09Ben Mandelker: So now we go, oh, look at this, Ronnie. Now we go to Brooklyn Heights with Nick, Yvonne, and Lindsay. So they are in Brooklyn. So maybe they went to Borough Hall to get married. How about that? Hmm. Or maybe they went to Whole Foods. So Lindsay is like, it's our big wedding day! And Nick is talking to Jackson and the dog. He's like, oh yeah, it's her auntie. Go get auntie. Go get auntie. Go get auntie. And so they're all assembling for this little ceremony that they're going to have. And they're walking through construction. I do like that the show really seems to relish in showing off like the unglamorous parts of New York City, like construction and strange people coming up to you like Dwayne Reed and trying to sell milk to you and things like that.

41:02Ben Mandelker: People burping in your face. Like, I like that. I like those details.

41:09Ronnie Karam: So they're standing there talking about ovulation strips, like test strips. and Lexi's like, well, I don't even know where we're doing these because they're always wrong. You know, they were wrong last time. Mine was wrong. Yours was wrong. What's the deal with ovulation strips? Am I right? So then they have a scene talking about ovulation strips, which I found really interesting. I didn't even know they had those. And they were doing it in the barrette aisle, which I found odd. I was like, do they keep ovulation strips right next to barrettes? What is going on in this? How is

41:41Ben Mandelker: a store organized i just had a lot i know right in my mind during this scene yeah that scene was weird but actually we're at the wedding scene and so they're walking oh yeah walking through the

41:50Ronnie Karam: you see you just say i'm sorry you talk you say lindsay i mentioned the guy's going you mentioned the guy coming up in the store and that that took me to the ovulation strip sorry so we're at lindsay and uh yvonne and nick they're gonna go get their thing okay this is your point remains Your point remains I'm so sorry I literally have notes in front of me And I'm like hey speaking of ovulation I don't know But um Oh man I do love this scene too because they go in And she's you know dressed in the wedding dress And it's just like city hall or whatever And they blurt out the lady behind the glass But it's like you're at city hall You're getting married There's bulletproof glass in front of you And then the lady's like here's your papers She goes does that mean we're married And she's like not yet go over there go over there and wait yes I love that they picked the most romantic person to work the marriage certificate window oh you haven't signed not yet it's like

42:51Ben Mandelker: as you always mention Maxine from Shoebox Greetings or like any character from the far side it's like next window so

43:00Ronnie Karam: someone who's seen so many marriages at City Hall It's like Liz from Rhode Island I get so happy for Oh you're married now

43:15Ben Mandelker: So it's too bad that the girls from Love Island aren't there So you can hear Melanie say for the 50th time I love love So Yvonne is talking to Lindsay And she's like So what's been going on with you? Have you seen the Milkman again? And Lindsay's like Well we went on Double D I was like oh really with who? So it's just like, Andrea and Alexi. And we see that they, the four of them went on a date making pasta. And Lindsay and Frank are, they're like doing like, they're trying to like do like a spaghetti moment, like Lady and the Tramp. And Andrea's like, oh, look at his love. He's getting steamy on here.

43:53Ben Mandelker: Oh, God, I didn't know it was a steamy pasta session.

43:58Ronnie Karam: Alexi. Yvonne asked him if they had sex And she's like, no, I'm still my boyfriend She's like, I don't know For some reason, I'm skeptical of him Which is wise I mean, he was on Orange County dating Kelly Dodd What more do you need? All it would really take for her is a Google search To know this So I wish she would just say it Because I think that's what she means And it's pissing Lindsay off But there's good reason And that's a very good reason

44:26Ben Mandelker: Now we go back to and we're at Amanda's apartment and and or as Tam or Judge would say so Reese sorry I've said that so loudly I could hear it through your headphones back into my ears so Reese is on the balcony the little dog and we're seeing you know Amanda's stuff is everywhere and so her dad Frank comes in and he's like hey you knucklehead it's me come here come here reese you knucklehead get over here okay i told your grandpa was coming and we just peed outside the both of you

45:09Ronnie Karam: so uh it's kind of an empty apartment there's one chair in there and uh he's like show me around so she does she's like well this is the living room yeah okay then she jokes would you like to have a see? This is literally the only thing I packed. I didn't bring any furniture or any of your clothes either. Go back to that house.

45:32Ben Mandelker: You could literally make a sofa out of your shirt.

45:36Ronnie Karam: Seriously. This was clearly, by the way,

45:40Ben Mandelker: sorry. No, I was going to say, this was clearly her soft pitch to get her dad to get her a couch, by the way.

45:46Ronnie Karam: Yeah, this is the dad coming over to take her shopping and buy her shit. So she's like I love my dad He put himself in my phone as Big Daddy And he's like It's still like that to this day

46:03Ben Mandelker: Okay Kim Zolciak Yeah Do you watch Bravo? I mean that's Big Papa But still Either way I think naming anyone Big Daddy is going to set yourself up for failure It never really works out

46:17Ronnie Karam: So she's showing dad around and basically like, oh yeah, I don't have anything in here, but I do have a balcony. We're so excited. Let's go out into the balcony. And it's typical New York where it's like, look at the view if you turn to your left. Because there's like one building like right in front of hers, but then you get that sliver of a sky and it's next to a helicopter landing pad. And he's like, whoa, helicopters. Yeah, it's so beautiful. It's so noisy out there.

46:49Ben Mandelker: she loves it although i think i would have fun too i would just stare at the helicopters and like play the music from succession in the background and just imagine the family rush like flying off to westchester to deal with some urgent issue with you know cherry jones um not me but cherry

47:04Ronnie Karam: jones i love her not me i would i would move right next to a helicopter pad and then every day i'd be like a helicopter again i just complain like ronnie you moved next to a helicopter pad

47:18Ben Mandelker: you idiot it's fun times so Frank has a great observation he looks at the helipad and goes whoa helicopters so then Amanda is like yeah we just sit here early in the morning the sun shines like right through here and we just like soak up the sun I'm like yeah that's when I look at Amanda I think this is someone who soaked up the sun just like Sheryl Crow herself just full of rays and vitamin D and just everything that all the joy and love and happiness that comes with that.

47:53Ronnie Karam: Yeah. He's like, you allowed to smoke out here? She goes, no, I had to sign four different things, dad. He's like, good thing you don't smoke. She's like, oh yeah. And then we see a TikTok of her blowing smoke from her weed pipe or whatever. So he's like, yeah, well, there's a lot of potential. Wow. So you basically moved into Kyle, huh?

48:17Ben Mandelker: yeah so like i moved out as much as i could because like this is a temporary move and i don't know kyle's just been like annoying about everything you know his biggest issue with me is the clutter which i'm sure you guys are well aware of and then you know like frank has a look like yeah i mean you do have a lot of clutter um but uh we then go back to kyle's apartment and amanda of stuff is everywhere and so he's hired uh rachel and lisa from imagine it done organizers i don't know which one's the older one but i loved her already because i knew that the older one was passing so much judgment and i oh yeah like i wanted her to just feel free to say it i wanted her to say something you knew she was like she left all this for you are you kidding me and you're

49:00Ronnie Karam: still married to her yeah she kind of did say that stuff and i mean she didn't she said it with her face for sure and i really like someone in a profession that's not allowed to have to be a certain way that is a certain way because she's not a lot you're not allowed to walk into someone's horrible place and be like god this is horrible you're supposed to be like we're gonna do this i'm we're just gonna find one and not this lady she was like seriously she's left it like this for two years this is disgusting you should have kicked her out of like her face is just not having it i was cracking up i was like yes lisa i i like the name of their company imagine it done because

49:38Ben Mandelker: i feel like kyle hired them not even to deal with the clutter just to fantasize about his relationship being over uh can you just like show me what that would look like if i just was with manda thank you just brought fake papers over to sign uh so he's like uh yeah so it's

49:58Ronnie Karam: like role-playing you are like officially divorced oh so um kyle's like yeah you know i mean like two years ago she was like i'm just gonna put stuff on the bed but now look at it and we see this get that they have a guest room or a second bedroom and it's just the bed is piled sky high as we've already mentioned i'm in my house literally yelling i was horrified and he's like you know and then her he's telling us her last night at our home you know being a night that i to hit it out and kind of disrespected our marriage. I was like, that was a knee-jerk reaction to a process, and I just didn't want to be around it.

50:34Ronnie Karam: I mean, being around her and her belongings and the lack of packing, and then all of a sudden, the morning of the packing, I wouldn't want to be there either.

50:43Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I don't feel like... I don't know. I wasn't as upset about Kyle bringing people over the night before the move as I feel like I was supposed to be. I'm just kind of like, you're leaving him. And I don't know. I think you guys are, it's like done. And I don't know. You want him just to sit there and watch you as you move out. And yeah, maybe we give more credence to the fact that he's still in love with her or whatever. But he's not. So he's like, I don't know. I just feel like you can't control the way people react to you leaving them.

51:26Ronnie Karam: and so if you're leaving me i'm not helping you pack when she has the nerve to say at the end of this episode like everybody else i know when they move there's everybody helps them pack but not you you're leaving me i'm not helping you pack are you crazy you're lucky i didn't change the locks yeah and have your shit packed up and sent somewhere you know um i started reading this book

51:50Ben Mandelker: um strangers by bell burton which is i'm sure a lot of people have read it because it's like a big bestseller and it opens with this guy leaving his wife this is not a spoiler it's the premise of the book it's a true story and he's like he they're like sitting down they're telling the kids this is like the famous scene is that they're telling the kids about um like hey mom and dad were like getting divorced and he's like he turns her because he's cheating on her and he turns her and he's like oh i'm really hungry can you make me a sandwich he asked her to make a sandwich while they're telling the kids that they're divorcing because he's having an affair.

52:26Ben Mandelker: That's just one of those things where it's like, if you're the one who's doing the leaving and the affairing, not that Amanda is in this situation. Well, we don't know, actually. But you just don't get to make the requests. You don't get to say, okay, can you also do this thing for me? You're leaving. You figure it out. You're leaving me.

52:43Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So you're lucky that you didn't find all your shit on the sidewalk. So I go. although this isn't like a contentious leaving so i'm projecting some of my own shit but oh hell no you say you're leaving me no no you don't get to guilt me the next day we're literally about

52:59Ben Mandelker: anything so i almost it almost makes me wonder if like this whole quote-unquote trial plan was just to keep good um a good relationship with kyle so that way he'd help you with just the menial tasks of moving out and then you're like okay guess what i'm actually moving up for real now that i've like used your use your labor well i think it's definitely a move

53:22Ronnie Karam: to not have a really horrible contentious divorce or breakup i think she's slow playing it like get out of the house first you know make sure she's okay first but also lover boy is they're married so lover boy is half hers so i think she's like well if this is saved and we do get some money from this. This needs to happen before a divorce. You can't divorce when there's all this debt and then the company is successful later. I think there's a lot going into it. It's like when people come out of the closet, but

54:01Ben Mandelker: they're not totally ready to be out of the closet, so they say they're bi and they have a period of time when they're bi before they're fully gay. I feel like that's what's going on here with this temporary move out. Not quite ready to be full-on gay so she's sort of doing this like half thing we're like come to me we know where we know where this is going just divorce just say it's over not this like temporary period yeah and

54:29Ronnie Karam: obviously there are bi people of course of course but we've just gay guys gay guys i think understand a lot i don't know if that's more prevalent with gay guys i just know that it is i know that it is a big thing among amongst gay guys we always it just happens a lot with gay we usually come out

54:44Ben Mandelker: is by first you know yeah like oh no like sometimes people have a hard time with the pivot so yeah she's missing she's just in that state right now and she's using it to get free

54:56Ronnie Karam: labor from kyle or trying yeah um but also there is the what i've thought the whole time which is that she's using it like this like this is just a separation because she's still in her mind at this point nobody knows that she's dating west or that she's got this whole other thing going on with Wes that she's going to wait until the next season of Summer House to come out about and make it like, oh my god, I found love again. I didn't think so. But you know, we were already living apart. And then I found this thing with Wes. Like, she's still doing this whole storyline in her head that she's been planning for a while.

55:31Ben Mandelker: Also, the thing that drives me nuts about this, which I don't know if this is fast-forging too much, whatever, is that she moves out. She leaves all this crap behind and kyle first thing is like oh yeah i'm cleaning this shit up she's out i'm moving it out and then i almost feel like she's going to use that as evidence like for why she's going to make it a permanent departure like see the moment i moved out you were all too quick to get rid of my stuff which just goes to show you didn't love me i'm leaving permanently and it's kind of like i feel like it's like what she needs to have like a mental workaround to like why she's not to blame for this marriage to fall apart.

56:07I think that maybe there's a part of her that is like wrapped up in the idea that she doesn't

56:12Ben Mandelker: want to be blamed for this marriage falling apart. And that, so that's why she's not fully leaving. So she doesn't want to be known as the person who just left her husband or whatever. And now like she can create a narrative of like, I just did this little thing to save us. And the moment I did it, he just kicked out all my stuff, which showed that he didn't even want me there in the first place. And I'm like, no, you left all your shit behind and you knew you were leaving. So like, why are you, why are you having this hypothetical workaround that I've created for you? I'm like mad at her for having the workaround that I decided that she has.

56:44Ben Mandelker: I just realized.

56:46Ronnie Karam: Well, she's pretty manipulative with how she says everything. And we'll get to it in the last scene. But I'm referring to the whole, like, you had a woman in our apartment the night before I left, makes it sound like he's banging some woman in your apartment. And then he's like, oh, it's with a couple of friends. And they, you know, one of them brought a friend that was a female. And she's like, but, you know, you see her like get caught because her narrative that she repeats today is like the cheating. And then this he's like, oh, my God, it was 10 years ago. And then she starts with that. There's a video and there's this.

57:19Ronnie Karam: Where's the video? Where's the stuff? Because at this point, like, I believe that Kyle did the cheating 10 years ago. We saw it, even though he's like, I don't remember. Remember, that was his excuse. so like some of the stuff she's right about but she does do a manipulation of she does a twisting you know of facts to make herself look so innocent and then when he brings up the but your shit is literally everywhere Amanda and it always has been and you keep bringing up and then you see her like kind of stop because she's not able to like keep pushing forth her narrative which she normally is she's normally just given free reign to push it and the second he pushes back with her she's like uh uh uh uh But we'll see.

58:00Ronnie Karam: We'll get to that. Yeah. So he's just wants this place to be home again. And we don't even know that he's moving it out. I think he's just cleaning it up. Like putting it on shelves and shit. Yeah. But he doesn't even say a store. Like he doesn't even say that he's putting it in storage. For now, all we know is that he's getting, I mean, at the very least, fold the clothes and put them on a shelf or something. You know? For fuck's sake.

58:26Ben Mandelker: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So he's handing this lady Gabby some stuff. And he's like, yeah, I wore that one for a photo shoot. You can see my nipples, right? Gabby's like, I don't need all this information. Just hand me the clothes and I'll fold them for you. And they're like, well, this is a cleanse. Congratulations. Like, yeah, it's been a cleanse. I've been cluttered for a long time. Do you guys want some Loverboy? I forgot to mention, by the way, you guys are obligated to buy a case of Loverboy on the way out. Gotta get me in business, okay?

58:54Ronnie Karam: so we go back to Amanda's and Amanda's like I mean like he still has issues with me and I taking enough stuff yeah I was yelling at the tv I couldn't and the dad's like well let me just try telling him give it a breath it just started no that's not what this is you don't leave me and then say it's a process it's like a process and I can get my shit out whenever you want

59:19Ben Mandelker: whenever i want no yeah it doesn't work that way does not work especially if it's like a trial period i don't know it's like if it's gonna be a trial it has to be a full trial also where like you're living on your own and kyle is living on his own in a sense and like if your stuff is all there piled up he's not really living on his own he's living with you still

59:40Ronnie Karam: she doesn't want him to she only wants to have the experience of her being single because she's not giving him a key to her place and all that, but she still wants a key to his place and be able to stop by whenever she wants. And she's like, what are you worried that you're going to be having sex? And he's like, are we living? What are we doing? She's the only one separating. He's still supposed to be in the relationship, but she's separate. With all the obligations.

1:00:06Ben Mandelker: Yes. I agree. And by the way, if you're listening to this, do not get this confused with the idea that we're saying she shouldn't be doing this. She should absolutely be getting out of there. But get out of there. Clean break. Move on. Start a new chapter of your life. You're miserable. Everyone can see you're miserable. So start fresh. But this half in, half out, it's aggravating. It's aggravating because it's also like she's not chill about it. If she was like, okay, we're doing this thing half in, half out, and he's like, yeah, you need to move this stuff out because it's whatever. She'd be like, okay, I get it.

1:00:41But like the fact that she's still is out of there,

1:00:45Ben Mandelker: but then still making all sorts of demands about how he is in his space. I think it's totally not right.

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