#3431 Next Gen NYC S2E01: Like A Whine Stone Cowboy

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2:16Ben Mandelker: Hello and welcome to Watch What Crap Ends, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker. Joining me today, it's Ronnie Karam. Hi, Ronnie. How's it going? Well, hello. How are you? I'm doing just fab because we're here to talk about the season premiere of Next Gen New York City, season two, episode one, Serving Country. Before we get into that, join us on Patreon, patreon.com slash watchworldcrappins. bonus episodes we did a real housewives of orange county trailer trash this week uh free newsletter to all to everyone ad free listening video all the good stuff so join us there and uh today i mean the kids are back the kids are back uh and technically we were back because there was a link and you miss it cameo by the two of us at the very end of the episode which is hilarious um but uh next gen new york city season premiere what did you think ronnie fun i was worried about

3:18Ronnie Karam: the uh second season you know because it was a pretty good first season i thought wow can they keep it going pretty good yeah you know really good really good it felt like it felt more like

3:30Ben Mandelker: uh like a show show in a certain way i felt like the season premiere last year the first like few episodes. It felt kind of like a sizzle reel a bit. There were cast members, but it was sort of disjointed. Some people felt like they were even part of the show until later on in the run. It felt like we were just sort of cuddling together stuff and there was a big reliance on the parents. But this time around, it's like, okay, all the kids are here. They all have issues with each other, but all the issues are sort of really petty and dumb and we're out of the gates in a great place. So feeling really bullish.

4:04Ben Mandelker: also gotta give a shout out to the post-production team because this show has so much post-production going on like so much editing like so many little effects and throwbacks and like visuals like they really went over time on next gen new york city and like it is like it's like dizzying how quickly the show is like zipping around all these different places and cutting back and forth like that's seems like a a real undertaking on bravo they also come through every bravo social media account

4:34Ronnie Karam: ever yeah and they have all all of us over there which is pretty impressive they've got all the the commentators and social media people laura's is on there a lot from uh sup great podcast yep and i love seeing everybody yeah it was it was neat so um this and they were doing that because they are trying to convince us that this cast is like super famous now so this season last season we're watching a show about up-and-coming influencers, and this time we're watching shows about superstars. Like, they can't even walk in the street anymore. It's crazy. They're, like, really famous.

5:13Ben Mandelker: Yeah, and there's so many headlines right away. We see all these different content creators saying things like, some recent information that we just heard, oh, Ariana Bierman and Riley Burris are not roommates. Ava Dash got evicted. Charlie was caught on tape. Oh my god, hubbub, hubbub, hubbub Makes me wonder where the F the Next Gen NYC cameras are

5:37Ronnie Karam: Where are they? Nancy Grace is like, wait, I am on the case And I will figure out who is the head of this crypto kidnapping You better keep your eyes peeled

5:53Ben Mandelker: Yeah, so we actually center on um amira and she's like amira i'm sorry amira and um she's like getting ready to get into her look she's like oh my god like the most important part is the highlighter xoxo amira and so uh producers are like are you a gossip girl fan and she's like yeah i love gossip girl that's where like it came from by the way because her name is xoxo amira and um like they've definitely like making her the narrator of the season. Last season was like, they put Brooks in the center in the pilot seat, but now it's Amira. And kind of

6:37Ronnie Karam: Ariana last year, like, I'm just a girl moving to New York. This is crazy. People cross the street here without looking both ways. Amira basically does an entire episode of putting on makeup. I've never seen more glam. And I watch Housewives. Every time it's Amira, it's like getting on a different outfit and different makeup done by a glam team. It's so hard.

7:06Ben Mandelker: Truly. Being an influencer. It's difficult. So now we see what everyone's doing. Ariana has one of those meta, is it the meta quest, whatever, the virtual reality thing on. And she's like, how do I turn it on? How do I turn it on? Wait, is there a non-bottom? What do I do? What do I do? What do I do? I just want to see her crash into a wall. And then Georgia's walking, and she's also on the phone. And she's like, um, I mean, the tariffs are not great. Like, ow, wait, fuck. My shoe's coming off in the middle of the street. Thanks a lot, tariffs. That cracked me out, Georgia.

7:39Ronnie Karam: Yeah, obviously, tariffs not great. Ow, ow, ow, ow. Okay, I don't like tariffs.

7:45Ben Mandelker: Gobblestone. I want to know the greater context of that conversation. Oh my god, you have politics, am I right?

7:53Ronnie Karam: so amira's like this group if you can't believe it it's gotten even more chaotic charlie had quite the interesting summer most people spent it in the hamptons and charlie almost spent it behind bars brooks is still brooks he randomly started baking sourdough bread which is very brooks we just cut the brooks like perfectly forming a loaf and he's like i need to preheat the dutch oven and chloe It goes, Dutch oven, that's literally where you fart under the blankets and make somebody stay there.

8:25Ben Mandelker: No, this is the Dutch oven. She's like, okay, yeah. He goes, are you okay? I just want to see these two walk through a Williams-Sonoma now. This is a spatula. What? It's a spatula. Oh, I always called it a spoon that got sat on. No, it's a spatula. Whatever.

8:49Ronnie Karam: So Riley's on the Asia leg of her Riley World Tour And she FaceTimed us from the club at 3am in Korea Like, hey girl, me and Ariana are like, what? And then we see a text exchange Checking on Ariana And she's like, diva down, diva down Because guys, guess what? Ariana, that's my girl She showed up to New York with a pair of Louboutins and a dream, honey

9:17Ben Mandelker: and then ariana tells us i had this big idea of having like a clothing line and ava really definitely hurt my feelings with her comment however it was a wake-up call because like fuck maybe you were right i don't have the best style i know it's like this is cute right but what i'm wearing right here's cute like let's not give her the satisfaction of her thinking i canceled my whole line because of her even though i did but huts and i are facing all these problems over the year and i can't imagine us going into business together yeah and um ariana is telling

9:45Ronnie Karam: the group that she broke up with Hudson, guys. She's moving out. It's her first time on her own. They're like, oh my god, girl, I'm so sorry. And then we see 10 days ago Ariana and Hudson talking and she's like, oh my god, the question is is it still good for me? And it's not. It's not. And he's like, sorry, babe. So they break up. And he says, one day this is going to work out. I am, after all, a billionaire.

10:11Ben Mandelker: Yeah. I'm a fried chicken air. So she says, we were living together for like 10 years on and off, but like I've never gone through a breakup like this. And like Hudson's my best friend. And like that's why it was so hard to walk away. And like it was actually generally like really hard to walk away because my mom like just stood in front of the door and said, you are not leaving this room. You are getting back together. I swear to God, you will not leave this billionaire. So it was like physically difficult for me to walk away. But I did. And it's just like it's so real. And it's like so sad.

10:38Ronnie Karam: It's like, but I'm an influencer. So I had to film it. I had to film the whole process. They even wrapped my laundry basket. So you're making TikTok videos. She's like, yeah, guys, today, oh God, I got to start over. Hold on. Today, start over, start over. Guys, today, I'm going to move my pajama box.

11:00Ben Mandelker: Being an influencer, it's not your average nine to five. No matter how my day is going, no matter how many laundry baskets they wrap up, no matter how I feel like shit, I still have to do something because that's my way of income. So everyone who here wants to see a laundry basket with plastic around it? You're about to be shocked.

11:17Ronnie Karam: So she's like, yeah, you know, posting about the breakup. People are like, are they, you know, they're speculating about it. And so we made a decision to post on our story. I mean, I'm an influencer. So we had to make an influencer announcement. And we see a joint statement. Hudson and I have decided to go all separate ways. These things are never easy, but we both know what's best for us right now. And blah, blah, blah. So then we see a flood of the Bravo bloggers like, oh my god, Ariana made that joint statement. Ariana made a joint statement? She has a bra color process. Can you believe that?

11:51Ronnie Karam: Because I'm famous. Ariana, one of the most famous people in the world, has broken up with the fried chicken person.

11:58Ben Mandelker: I want to know who was the content creator who said, my shitty day just got 10 times worse. And please tell me you were speaking tongue-in-cheek and they took you out of context. because I can't imagine the person out there that's like, guys, I need to take a sick day. I just found out that Ariana and Hudson broke up. I can't do this anymore. I can't. I can't.

12:15Ronnie Karam: I think this was the one that looked like an older guy, like an older straight guy with a beard. And he's like, my day just got 10 times worse. It's like, wow, this show has a big audience.

12:29Ben Mandelker: People really care. They're invested. He's like, I'm wrapping up my laundry basket in solidarity. Yeah. So Ariana is like, she's taking a magic eight ball to get some guidance, whatever. Bedazzled. Thank you very much.

12:43Ronnie Karam: Bedazzled.

12:44Ben Mandelker: It's a diamond magic eight ball. You're right. You're right. And Amira's like, to be a public person, whether you're born into it or thrown into it, whether you didn't really want it, you have to be able to see and hear all this noise and know when to tune it out and when to not tune it out. Because if you don't, it will literally eat you alive.

13:11i know anyway i'm gonna put this on my story so now um georgia we see another headline georgia

13:18Ben Mandelker: mccann shares her hidden struggle struggle and pat's recovery from an eating disorder i didn't see this i missed this this story entirely um and she tells us uh you know prior to this show coming out i was actually a really private person what am i like not believe that she goes i didn't post photos of myself online. All of a sudden, I was super public, and everyone's commenting on my body and nitpicking and everything. It was really difficult. So she basically went to an inpatient program, and she says, it's the best, and you guys are seeing me again, and I'm in a really, really good place, which is awesome.

13:49Ben Mandelker: And I grew up a lot from this, and now I'm ready to get back to my dream of starting a brutalist bowling alley called Club Club.

13:57Ronnie Karam: Yeah, it was so hard to get better, but I put in the effort, and I did. And then I got out and I heard a horrible, horrible word.

14:07Ben Mandelker: Tariff. Don't talk. By the way, this is like the first time that like a super serious issue has just been like, just slotted into a welcome back montage. Like normally there's the sort of thing that's like many singings and very serious scenes on Bravo. And she's like, yeah, so I realized I had disordered eating. And so I went and I did inpatient and I'm back and I'm great. Like, on to the next thing, Ariana got a dog or something like that. It was just like, whoa, that was like a big deal, you know?

14:37Ronnie Karam: Now, the next headline is Damon Dash files for bankruptcy claiming$25 million in debt. And Ava's like, honestly, I think it's hilarious seeing what people post about me and my family. I mean, I think it's funny, but some of the things are so wrong, you know? I mean, I'm not going to comment on it, but then other things are so right. I'm like, how the fuck did they know that? and we see headline up and at, or no, we see up and at him, actually. And he's like, today's one of the days I'm wearing sunglasses. I'm like, Ava Dash got evicted and she was living in Tribeca for$9.95 million a trillion quarter.

15:19Ronnie Karam: And then someone got evicted.

15:24Ben Mandelker: She's like, just to be clear, I was not evicted. I got a notice. But I mean, who hasn't? Am I right? Ava also has a little bit of a new personality because last season she was kind of like hi I'm Ava Dash but this season she's like hi I'm Ava Dash she's got a little bit more pep in her step so she's really trying to be like I'm on camera

15:43Ronnie Karam: yeah she's like okay I'm Ava and they're like light a fire under that ass hi I'm Ava perfect places so we see her out to eat with Georgia and Georgia's like wait literally I wanted like a seltzer all morning thank you so much for ordering this and she goes that's just regular water she's like she goes um tariffs am I right did you hear

16:12Ben Mandelker: that actually sucks did you hear that Trump put a tariff on bubbles it's like so saddening so then she said George is like by the way how's Hook and Ava's like oh my god He's like really good. He just left this morning for a show. Like every week it's a new city. It's crazy. I think he's in Missouri or something. George is like, where is that? It's like, it's like Kansas city, Missouri, you know, it's like, wait, Kansas city isn't in Kansas. Are we positive about that? Wait, wait, now I'm wrong. Is this water even flat? I think it might actually be bubbly. Oh my God. The world is turning upside down.

16:51Ronnie Karam: She's like, Sue, where is Kansas city, Missouri? And Sue's like, Cool hats are often a comfortable thing to wear in the summer and the fall. God damn it, Sue.

17:02Ben Mandelker: Have you thought about a macrame vest? Sue, I don't want your fashion sense. The answer is no, I do not want that. Kathy Bates won her first Oscar award for it.

17:10Ronnie Karam: Not misery. God damn it, Sue. I will not be spoken to like that.

17:17Ben Mandelker: Sue, just tell me where Kansas City is. Well, it's in Missouri, but also Kansas. How about that? What a doozy.

17:24Ronnie Karam: i know i've uh commented a lot on sue the personal assistant's like upgrade in uh expression when she talks but it cracks me up i was texting someone yesterday and i said i fucking love it and then

17:36Ben Mandelker: she answered back i fucking love it like yes i do love the random like bits of emphasis they've taught her it's like you never know what's gonna happen or just like the personality like my favorite still is when she says okay okay you're like okay that's it okay like okay

18:02that's how you want to do it i want one where it's like okay she also sometimes she asks like

18:12Ben Mandelker: a rhetorical every now and then there's like a question that she'll ask and she does it in a tone that's kind of like sixth grade school play? She's like, I'm not quite sure about that. Maybe is that something you would like to look into? Why are you talking like that, Sue? Because she thinks you're an idiot.

18:32Ronnie Karam: That's her you're an idiot voice. I'm not sure. So now the conversation moves to Charlie and the crypto torture house, which he was involved in. He was living there two months. In case people don't know what that was, people a bunch of crypto people were living together and they tied a guy to a chair and kidnapped him basically trying to get his bitcoin wallet password from what i understand yes but of course charlie's like what nothing to do with me sorry for sleeping on a couch sorry for hanging

19:06Ben Mandelker: out with people that just happen to have a body tied up to a bed and we're probing in with the ends of a lamp extension cord. Sorry.

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21:15Ronnie Karam: Ground your space, quiet your mind. Explore the scents of calm collection at pura.com slash calm. Then we go to Ava and Georgia in a confessional together, And Ava's like, yeah, me and Georgia became friends because of Charlie. And now we're both not friends with Charlie. But we had problems with Charlie before any of his headlines. It's not like a crypto torture thing. We legit don't like Charlie. He smells.

21:42Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Last summer, he was just so disrespectful, always making comments about my body. And we have a flashback of Charlie being like, hey, kind of dope on your little nipple tanks. And Ava's like, my dad's washing that. My boyfriend's watching that. We're not happy. Hook's not happy. And George is like, it was disgusting. Like, no, yeah. I think that we're on the same page a lot because the pros and cons of being his friend, like all of your Omar BS and like posting with Omar, that's like crazy.

22:16Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So it was like, yeah, Charlie's now dating George's ex. I'm just kidding. But you would think that based on their fucking Instagrams. So now Charlie has befriended that guy who's like a big crypto guy because Charlie is going to befriend any rich male. He's going to get he's going to try and get that money from somebody. He's befriended him and then Ariana's ex, which we find it's a little bit.

22:41Ben Mandelker: It's I mean, it's it's so textbook. It's so predictable. I'm actually shocked that we did not predict this because of course he was going to gravitate towards the two wealthiest people. Although I don't think that Omar is wealthy. I think Omar is also a grifter. So probably Omar and Charlie together are going to fleece Hudson for millions of dollars.

22:59Ronnie Karam: Well, I mean, he could be a grifter because he's like one of those crypto guys. But he could be a grifter, but he had a pretty big, nice office in Manhattan. True. I don't know. Yeah. He's getting money from someplace, so I don't know. And of course, this kid sees that and is like, I will take it. I will be there so you can invest in my next crypto coin. Bored.

23:25Ben Mandelker: and then georgia meanwhile is like um by the way i don't know if they're doing bowling or not those guys but like it's insane that they're even like hanging out and by the way speaking of insane did you see ariana and hudson's coordinated breakup stories and ava's like i know are you like kate middleton like who cares yeah no kate middleton burn so brooks is still making his

23:52Ronnie Karam: bread. I don't know if it's the same bread or if it's a new bread, if it's a different day and a different loaf. Who knows? He's like, I was really surprised to see that they issued public statements. Chloe's like, yeah, I was surprised too. It's no one's business, but opening the door to it answered. I mean, it opens people to questions. What do you call it if you fart under a blanket, but then don't let me out? a Dutch oven. Told you. Told you.

24:26Ben Mandelker: Chloe, do you think we should stop making this bread and wait for Mom and Dad and Aunt What's-Her-Face to come over so that we can all put our hand on it before it goes in the oven? Yeah, I think that's the right plan. But is it the oven or the Dutch oven? Whoa. That just blew my mind.

24:44Ronnie Karam: So then we go back to Ava in Georgia and Ava's like, yeah, the joint collab breakup announcement? I've never seen that before like

24:54Ben Mandelker: I'm like this is how you know that they're really young because I feel like the joint collab breakup thing is a thing that people do like Gwyneth Paltrow famously did it with what's his face from Coldplay right like the consciously uncoupling I guess it's like only old people do it and like the young people just don't so she's like whoa

25:11Ronnie Karam: because of how they did it like you'll be a collaborator on this post it was like sponsored sponsored by like four loco yeah but the main plot is like are they um are they faking it for the show yes of course they are they're gonna get back together they're doing it for the show no daughter of zolciak is going to leave a billionaire there's no way there's no way zolciak would not be there barring the door like you said earlier there's no fucking way people

25:45Ben Mandelker: yeah and george is like i mean like when i break up and i take it to social media i do it like on xanax in a foreign country and then we see a clip of her from last year the end of last season when she was like guys we got into a fight and he cut off cut off all my money and i'm stuck in hong kong someone save me

26:04Ronnie Karam: it's just the funniest twist she did it and i love the format she did it in wasn't she holding Like one of the tiny mics and she's like Yeah so imagine This you're like a girl A girl in a foreign country And you get into a fight one night and then He cuts you off financially Completely and you have no cards Because you've been using his cards like Fucked up out of her mind I like when people do A third person imagine Imagine you're a George You've just learned about tariffs and hurt your heel on a cobblestone right after your boyfriend took away his credit cards.

26:42Ben Mandelker: When the truth about tariffs is so devastating, your stiletto goes right into the middle of the cobblestone. You can't get out. Thank you. So Ava's like...

26:52Ronnie Karam: They're like, yeah, they just want to be talked about. So then we go back to Chloe, and Chloe's like, there are going to be people that don't think it's real, and I think you should tell her that there are people that are going to think that and that she should be prepared for that. Are we talking about Dunjavan still?

27:11Ben Mandelker: Yeah. So then back to Ava and Georgia. Georgia's like, there's no way. It's not real. It's like PR. PR for the show. I don't care. I'm not going to say otherwise. Okay? Until I get some bubbly water in here, I'm going to stick with my story. And Ava's like, I agree. And so Georgia's like, do you think that they used ChatGPT to help write the post? I'm like, yes, obviously.

27:36Ronnie Karam: So now we go out waiting for a cab with Ariana, and she's like, we're looking for a Toyota Highlander. Oh my god, I'm like Carrie Bradshaw right now.

27:46Ben Mandelker: Yeah. And Ariana's like, since I was 14, I saw this boy who I loved, and I wanted to help. And he always called me when he was down bad, you know, the way billionaire children are. And he knew I was going to be there because I care about this person so deeply, and I love free chicken. and they deserve somebody to be there and to hold their hand. And then as time went on, I kind of realized nobody was holding mine. What I thought was holding onto my hand was just an old drumstick becoming soggier and soggier.

28:17Ronnie Karam: She's like, yeah, he didn't even take me on dates. I'm like, make this more romantic or I'm not going to be with you. He just needs to grow up on our way home. I'm on our way to our new home now. I'm excited. I'm nervous. And we see Brooklyn. and she tells the dogs i don't know which one of you farted but it's diabolical

28:39Ben Mandelker: so now we are back with amira who guess what getting glam and she's like i just like want to make a thing of like make a list of like all the things i need to do for like the second gwen is done like i need to brush my teeth i need to pack my bag any perfume and deodorant like okay all these things i gotta do and we see like her assistant's like yeah yeah great okay gorge gorge you look great you're like wonderful she's like slay bram lincoln i love her list it's like

29:01Ronnie Karam: Brush your teeth Put on clothes Put contacts in Altruistic TikToks

29:09Ben Mandelker: I love altruistic TikToks

29:14Ronnie Karam: So then Amir is in the car FaceTiming with Brooks And she's on her way to a Victoria's Secret show This is my look diva He's like oh my god You look so fire So fire So fire and they talk about her birthday and who's going to be coming to her big birthday party and uh she invited hudson because you know she didn't she thought it would be uncomfortable but even what's your button said to invite him and she also invited charlie okay because sure charlie's troublesome but they're friends so she's inviting charlie i'm like not excited about that because

29:52Ben Mandelker: like last year his behavior cracked a lot of my friendships kind of like the top of a good sourdough it's like I don't want to lose these people that I'm like so close with like do you remember that when he texted Chloe and he was like yeah I can't wait to hang out I was like gross oh my god so Mayura's like well we've been friends for like so long I just feel like I have to invite him I mean I feel like some kind of responsibility to try to like mend what's happening between Brooks and Charlie because the three of us have like known each other for like a long time and I can completely understand how Brooks is feeling and like Charlie put himself in this situation he hasn't built the best friendships over the past year, but at the same time, everyone should just give them a chance because it's a new season and we have to make friendships, okay?

30:33Ben Mandelker: That's basically it. The producers told me we have to be friends.

30:36Ronnie Karam: So still, Georgia and Ava are at lunch and they're talking about seeing everybody at the birthday party for the first time in the season. And Ava's like, I'm so excited because Gia did this podcast where she called me a liar. And then we see a clip of Gia being like, like you're just like lying you're like a liar ariana did a couple of different interviews

31:01Ben Mandelker: saying that like i'm not a sweet girl and then amira i saw all of her confessionals like talking shit and george was like oh my god same saying that i was like fat shaming like i'm like a fat shaming hoe like i actually like fuck with amira heavy and that's the thing like i would i would like to clear the air and then i also like let's get to the bottom of these tariffs am i right And Eva's like, yeah, I'd like to know where I'm at with people Because we're New Yorkers We want to fucking know

31:29Ronnie Karam: So Amira's saying We started to fall off with good drama Ariana and Hudson broken up Ava and Gia beefing Me and Georgia haven't cleared the air And then Charlie, he's on his own little island And then we go to Charlie Who is cool as ever, you guys He's like, yeah, I'm Charlie And he's wearing sunglasses outside And it's dark and he goes, yeah, yeah, sunglasses, yeah, yeah. It's basically nighttime for me. It's basically nighttime for me because it's like dark. And they point to the sky. They're like, it is actually dark.

32:01Ben Mandelker: It's amazing how that works. And then there are all these headlines. They keep showing the same shot of this video footage of Charlie at the torture house. And it's like, this is about Charlie. Allegedly, he was in the same townhome where the crypto kidnapping took place. And he was in the house, the crypto bro, crypto, crypto, crypto. And he's like, okay, I'm aware that TikTok is saying some shit about me, but I don't have it, so it doesn't affect me all that directly. Yeah, I don't do TikTok, okay? I'm a little bit more progressive. So I really only see the positive things about myself. I'm like, so you're not really seeing much, are you?

32:35Ben Mandelker: And he goes, the negatives, they don't really like. They don't know my narcissism. I'm blind to it. It's like hieroglyphics. It's like then compliments. I'm like, good with the noise. I'll be like, fine. I'm like, you're making no sense. Reading through that paragraph, I was like, what is he saying here?

32:51Ronnie Karam: He's like, my narcissism filters out the bad stuff. He's like, bad stuff looks like hieroglyphics. I only see compliments. So, yeah. So then Charlie calls Hudson, and he's like, Colin, just check in. I saw that Instagram story yesterday about you guys breaking up or some shit. I'm glad it was on Instagram so I know, because I do not have TikTok.

33:13Ben Mandelker: Yeah. and Hudson's like yeah I think it's been coming for a while it's like yeah crazy news you know it's like yeah I know it's like the streets are rippling in response to it except maybe on TikTok but I wouldn't know because I don't have it it's like yeah it's the whole entire nation's talking about a breakup it's crazy man

33:29Ronnie Karam: national attention giveth and national attention taketh away am I right celebrity bible we're famous now so the producers the producers like whoa you guys are friends now that's weird And he's like, I couldn't disagree more. I mean, I think we're like the most likely duo. I mean, you know, I got to take Hudson under my wings. He's a sweet, borderline, too nice billionaire. What's not to love? Yeah.

33:56Ben Mandelker: Shame. I know. I think that he needs me, or at least he needs me, in his ear. And I need him in my wallet. Hudson goes, yeah, we'll get more into it before Amira's party. It'll be the first time I've seen Ariana since we broke up. so charlie's like shit i'm excited for the drama that's for sure you mind paying for this by the way he says look i have a lot of flaws let's be clear i'm not mr perfect but there's always but there are ways in which hudson could benefit from my very smart and critically thought out advice that's gotten me this far in life yeah you're doing great so they're gonna pre-party before

34:33Ronnie Karam: this thing and uh then we see another headline uh that gia was involved in hudson and ariana's breakup. And so now we see Gia and Ariana together in a confessional and Ariana's like, she broke us up. Just kidding. We're like such good friends. She's not a homewrecker. And Gia's like, um, moving

34:51Ben Mandelker: on. Yeah. And we see a tax exchange where Gia's like, can't wait to see the new place. I need spices. I'm just gonna steal them from here because Gia is at home right now. because Gia is going to be moving from New Jersey to another part of New Jersey that's a little closer to the city.

35:17Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but she's moving out. She's like, Ma, I'm going to take some of our spices. And Teresa's like, uh-uh. I need the spices for cooking. But you can take our plates. You want some plates? She pulls out some glasses and they're all leopard print. And Gia's like, ew. No. Don't give me the trash. These ain't trash. Come on. Bing, bing, bing, bing, bing.

35:40Ben Mandelker: Teresa is very funny in this scene. Because you can see she's not had her annual boot up for The Real Housewives in New Jersey. So it's almost like her engines are still coming to life.

35:50Ronnie Karam: She's like, hello, how's it going?

35:52Ben Mandelker: It's like the monitors are still turning on. It's like they're turning on Jurassic Park after rebooting it. And Gia's like, yeah, I thought that when I would move out of my house, it would be with Christian. And Christian and I have been together for six years. but I wanted to tackle this on my own. I wanted to tackle the challenge of moving from one part of New Jersey to another part of New Jersey on my own.

36:13Ronnie Karam: Then we go to Ariana's and she's like, Oh my God, how do you set up the wifi? I'm just a girl, a girl who's new to the city. So she has a roommate now named Austin that we meet and she sends a text to the group chat. And she's like, do you guys know how to set up internet service for your apartment?

36:33Ben Mandelker: just like oh my god is that a thing you have to do for yourself and i was like yeah you know our friend group we like we all have like a group chat and amira's like yeah i love a group chat because like right now in the group chat it's like me and ava and brooks and gian hudson and riley and shy and ariana and georgia i'm like so the full cast you mean but charlie has left a

36:52Ronnie Karam: group chat nobody even acknowledged that nobody even acknowledged that i'm like yeah we didn't even had it back. And Georgia says, yeah, there's offshoots to the main group, OBS. So Ava is telling us that Shy started a group chat with her and Brooks, but her and Brooks haven't answered it yet. And it's really awkward. Well, why are you being mean to Shy? What'd he do? I know, what's wrong with Shy?

37:17Ben Mandelker: Everyone liked Shy, I thought. It's like, yeah, we don't hang out with that one. One-on-one. So Ariana's like, yeah, we had like a people press event. And Ava was like, really rude to us. She's like, yeah, barely even said hello, didn't even acknowledge us, even after I moved to a different part of New Jersey. And Arianna was like, yeah, in the green room? She was like, over in the corner. And Gio's like, yeah, taking selfies in the mirror. It was like giving self-absorbed, thinking that she was America's next top model. And Arianna was like, I mean, she

37:49Ronnie Karam: is kind of hot, though. She's like, yeah, she's hot. Yeah, like, she's hot. I want to be friends with her still. Yeah, she's hot. I want to be friends with her, too. So Ava is telling us, I'm not feeling great about Gia because last summer I noticed that Gia's mother had followed me and then she unfollowed me. And then I guess Gia didn't think that was true. And we see a clip from the Vile Files where Nick's like, wait a minute, your mom's not following Ava? And she's like, well, when Ava said that, I was like, girl, you're just like lying because I know my mom and she doesn't care that much to unfollow you.

38:27Ben Mandelker: Ava really grasping for straws To have a beef with someone Like wait Your mom followed me and then unfollowed me And then you went on to Vile Files And then you said I was a liar This friendship is over

38:42Ronnie Karam: That is so weird that you even have to go on to the Vile The Vile Files about Like wow

38:47Ben Mandelker: Teresa follow and unfollow

38:50Ronnie Karam: Don't don't don't

38:53Ben Mandelker: Yeah who is tracking Teresa's status with Ava. It's so specific. So Ava's like, I just don't want to be called a liar. And when your friends are talking badly about you in the public, that's not a good look. I don't want this to bring this up at Amira's party, but we're going to have to figure this one out. Like, please do. This is obviously tearing America apart. This and the tariffs.

39:17Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so they are texting now about the party. And Brooks is texting someone named Liam and he's like, you're coming to Amira's birthday, right? And he's like, yeah. And he goes, well, Liam's definitely coming. I'm meeting him right now. And Amira says, does he know the theme? And Brooks says, I mean, he's like literally a cowboy. So, yeah.

39:40Ben Mandelker: So here comes Liam. New cast member alert. It's Liam and he's playing ice hockey. And the producer's like, have you seen Heated Rivalry yet? And he's like, um, yeah, I've yet to watch it. I auditioned for it though. They're like, what role? He's like, um, the blonde one. Like, oh, you need a Russian accent? He's like, yeah. That's probably why I didn't get it. Because otherwise, I was a shoo-in, right? Check me out, ladies and men.

40:06Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so he's in the hockey guys. He's playing hockey. And Brooks tells us, Liam's lore is crazy. He's gone from Nickelodeon star to law and order, and now, like what? You're just like yourself now. Yeah. and um he's got macaulay culkin face no he does look like a culkin this or like the brother the

40:28Ben Mandelker: brother from succession kieran yeah yeah kieran even more so absolutely i think that's a great call he um this guy i feel like this guy's trouble i'm just gonna say it he's like if there's something like performative about him that i feel like it's gonna come out like he's very like legs crossed

40:48Ronnie Karam: back in the chair. He's like, guys, being a celebrity is a lot. Okay. I mean, it was really hard to ask him my autograph every day. He's like, who are you? Nope.

41:00Ben Mandelker: Yeah, like, there's something about, like, all these things that he does that I feel like is very much about, like, image building to cover up some awfulness. Well,

41:11Ronnie Karam: I mean, if you're a cast member on a Bravo show, so we can only assume Yeah.

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44:24Ben Mandelker: so producer asked him uh do you ever watch reality tv and he's like yeah i watched like one season of love island wasn't for me stupid um and then brooks is like uh yeah i have actually quite the experience with ice hockey because i attempted to be like become pre-nfl you know and leem's like nhl you mean it's like yeah nhl yeah when i was 12 i was in a class full of five year olds all looking to demolish me which like sounds crazy but like actually like really scary getting attacked by toddlers you know it was like mini tornadoes that's hilarious they put him in

45:00Ronnie Karam: there when he was 12 and everybody's five it's like oh my god it's his age group i'm being attacked by five-year-olds so they skate together and as they leave the locker room brooks is like does it always smell like that in there. He's like, yeah, it's called the hockey stench. Yeah. So he's like, what do I do? That's a loaded question. What am I not? Acting, writing, directing, producing, arting, painting, you know, writing, singing, whatever. I'm a ski instructor, volunteer fireman. I ride horses, motorcycles in my spare time. Surf when I can. I play on three men's hockey league teams, which I love.

45:39Ronnie Karam: One of them's just a movie. I cast myself in it I wrote it, I'm producing it I've got the cougars, the dirts, hedge money Pretty big

45:49Ben Mandelker: Do you have an outfit for Mira's birthday party though? He's like, oh yeah, I'm about to sew it Because I do that too I know there's a theme and Mira's Completely dedicated to the theme He's like, oh yeah, should I get cowboy boots? Do you have them? And Brooks is like, I do Pointy toe or square toe? I haven't thought about it that deeply We're still trying to work through Dutch oven stuff at my place. So, yeah.

46:14Ronnie Karam: He's like, yeah, well, my boots are porny. And less I'm riding than I wear square. I'm a cowboy. I'm a cowboy, too. Yeah, I grew up in Manhattan, but my parents are not housewives. They're not celebrities. They're, like, successful in their own way. Yeah. They have a house in upstate New York. It's where my horse lives. God, I love my horse to death. His name is Chewy. Got a horse. My horse rides a motorcycle. Pretty interesting horse. Pretty fascinating guy.

46:40Ben Mandelker: all around. Yeah. Horse is a volunteer fireman too. It's crazy. Put out a flame like nuts. So yeah, he's like, I wonder who his parents are. I'm sure I think it was published. They're probably what, financiers or something like that if they're not celebrities or reality stars because everyone on this show has parents that are of some sort of a claim. So Liam is like, I just want to make sure my nipples aren't popping out here because I'll be on nipple sites instead of feet sites. Did you hear this by the way? I thought I was on a feet website right i uh i don't know how i got on there maybe i submitted myself who knows i'm so busy i do so

47:15Ronnie Karam: many things yeah brooks is like oh my god wait wiki feet yeah same he's like what even the fuck is this yeah you know they rank your feet too they rank your feet one out of five i looked it up i'm 4.48 brooks is like i'm a 4.9 wow i like that they're following their feet on wiki feet i know

47:38Ben Mandelker: so now the kids they get onto the rink and Brooks is like oh my god this is like who I used to compete against I'm like scared are there toddlers around? this is scary so now we go up to Amira and Charlie they're meeting up in a park and Charlie's like oh my god this homeless guy is always outside the box dead ass same homeless guy I saw last night it's a celebrity

48:03Ronnie Karam: yeah it's like the resident of the box homeless guy That's it. So they start talking about her party. And she's like, so it's us, Shai, Hudson, Ariana's coming. And he's like, oh, yeah, they broke up, by the way. Hudson's, like, really warmed up to me. Have you heard? Yeah, we're, like, best friends. So.

48:21Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I feel like you guys have, like, very similar personalities. He's like, yeah, he's like me. If I was, like, whipped and sober. Am I right? It's like, no, no, no. Yeah, well, I like Hudson. He's a homie. and I won't like fuck his girl probably because I would rather be homies with him so yeah

48:39Ronnie Karam: oh god he's like yeah but you know like oh good whatever she's like um I want to keep everything chill because my parents are coming and I'm excited about that but everybody needs to be on their best behavior and Brooks is coming George is coming I'm kind of nervous about that but I just want an apology you know because she aired out like my medical history I mean hello HIPAA right am I right and we see because Georgia said oh my god you're eating like what is Ozempic wearing off which I thought was

49:11Ben Mandelker: pretty innocent but yeah I thought so too and but I guess it's an invasion of privacy for Gen Z so Amira's like yeah I've like struggled with an eating disorder in the past and she's like you know had her issues so we bonded over that and then for her to air that out publicly I was just kind of like what the fuck let me enjoy my red robin and so uh charlie's like yeah i'm sure i'll have to have a conversation with georgia because i've been chilling with omar yeah so like that's been pissing her off obviously so yeah mirror's like yeah it's pretty good that we're having this like pre-kiki before the party he's like yeah good terms with everybody like hudson shy really the person i mean like brooks he's like we're never on bad terms i'm always on like neutral terms with Brooks, so that's good, right?

49:56Ben Mandelker: Nothing could possibly change the status of our relationship right now. No piece of information you're about to give me, for sure.

50:01Ronnie Karam: She's like, well, Brooks is sometimes just really sensitive, you know, like with certain things, and that's why he was just asking me about you. And he goes, oh my God! What kind of bullshit is he complaining about? He's like, well, he's just like, you know, anxious about you being there. He goes, well, he can suck my fucking dick, okay? It's your birthday party. I don't give a fuck if he's anxious. Like, what have I said to him in the past here. Okay, just give me some fucking logic here. Can I get some fucking logic?

50:29Ben Mandelker: Wait, hear me out. I think he's just like speaking on behalf of like the entire group maybe. He's like, who? Like Riley and Hudson. He's like, Hudson and I are boys. Don't you remember when I said that earlier when I said Hudson and I are boys? Like he doesn't give a fuck.

50:44Ronnie Karam: He's like, this is exhausting. I'm exhausted. Oh my god. He's like, Brooke needs to find a fucking interesting thing about him and leave me the fuck alone. You know, if he wasn't so concerned with his image and he thinks he should and should not be associating with or his sourdough is going to deflate, it would be a lot easier for him to be my friend. And she's like, well, you're a good friend to me, so surely nothing will ever break that, right?

51:09Ben Mandelker: As this conversation progresses, my hopes for a peaceful night are tanking. So now some more text messages. Have you talked to Charlie yet? Yeah, I just talked to him. He literally can't wait to see everyone. Are you lying? Yes. And then more texted messages between Ava and Brooks. Did you survive hockey? Yeah, I barely. Like, barely. I, like, want a pregame at mine tonight. Pregame at my place.

51:37Ronnie Karam: They're basically talking about, is the Ariana breakup real? Dun, dun, dun. So, of course, Tex immediately tattletales. And he's like, oh, my God, Ariana, there's a bit of a sitch. So she gets the text. It's like, girl, call me. We gotta talk Just think you should know People think your breakup Is just for this show Dun dun dun So now we go to Amira's birthday party It's a cowgirl party She's like yeah We wanted to call it A cunti party But Bravo's making us Call it country So whatever Bravo

52:09Ben Mandelker: Yeah my birthday Is like a national holiday I mean it's actually not one But like But like maybe one day Like altruistic TikToks For everyone right And this birthday party Like I'm just happy Everyone's coming I just don't want Any mess whatsoever but at the same time like george and i are like in a weird place and i do think we need to clear the air but like maybe it's not the best place to do it but it's my birthday so what like what's what like what's she gonna do leave i'm like literally yes but anyway go on so now we're

52:36Ronnie Karam: over at ariana's apartment for a pregame over there and gia comes over and uh she brought her little bouquet of flowers and um they're like oh my god you can see the statue of liberty from here Like, oh, my God, that's insane. So Gia FaceTimes Brooks and Ariana's like, today's my birthday. And one day of the year, it's supposed to be all about me. I'm getting some different gifts. I'm going to someone else's birthday party. I'm going to see my ex-boyfriend, who I haven't seen in a few weeks. Just saw him 10 days ago, according to the camera. Riley's in Atlanta. I get to see Ava, who annoys the shit out of me sometimes.

53:16Ronnie Karam: I mean, the list could go on and on.

53:20Ben Mandelker: Yeah. And Gia's saying how they're not going to go pregame with Hudson, Charlie, and Shai tonight. And Ariana's like, yeah, no one's going to go there. I mean, what a fun group, right? We're going to party here with my sister, Brielle. And Brielle's like, I don't know what Hudson and Charlie were like friends. Like, when were they friends? Like, because they both want you, right? And Gia's like, yeah, that's what I'm saying, girlfriend. She's like, yeah, it's a wonderful life.

53:44Ronnie Karam: so Brielle's like well let's hope Liam's hot because he's got a fat ass all hockey players have a fat ass that's hot um

53:55Ben Mandelker: Liam plays on three different like hockey teams so like yeah Brielle's like yeah badass so Ariana's like well we'll see tonight so then the producer's asking Brooks if he likes a southern accent he's like yeah yes ma 'am look I can do one I feel like there's a southerner inside of me my my voice sounds less irritating in a southern accent woohoo dutch ovens ariana is saying oh i heard from a little birdie that jorda's got some shit

54:27Ronnie Karam: to say oh she thinks it's really convenient timing that i broke up with my boyfriend for filming i mean it is come on and uh so everybody's getting themselves worked up for this party first party fights let's do it meanwhile liam arrives at brooks's and um brooks has a bottle of whiskey and he's like do you want some of this i don't really know what it is but

54:55Ben Mandelker: looks like it's in character so yeah so um let's see it's a lot going on i'm having a hard time as a podcaster because almost this entire episode was actually like talking heads so i got a little

55:10Ronnie Karam: lost here but liam comes over they're all just getting ready to go to this party hudson's you know still texting ariana and he's like god babe so glad i'm gonna get to see you hopefully we can work it out because like you're everything and she's like uh okay and um hudson's telling us yeah we've been texting you know i've been texting her more than she's been texting me for sure Or maybe it's like she's creating more of a boundary than I am. But I want you to know that I've styled the season and I'm in a white leather motorcycle jacket for no reason, really. You like it?

55:43Ben Mandelker: Yeah. And you know what? And we see a flashback to Ariana and Hudson during their breakup. And he's like, please feel more than welcome to keep a key. Because say if you're ever in the city and you just want to stop by, even if I'm not there, that's fine. By the way, I love that he's like, if you're ever in the city. When she's in Brooklyn, but it's like, that's such a Manhattan thing to be like, if you ever wind up coming to New York City someday, just let me know. I'll be here.

56:09Ronnie Karam: So the producer asked Charlie if it's weird to be hanging out. No, ask Hudson if it's weird to be hanging out with Charlie after all the stuff he said about hooking up with Ariana. And he's like, well, Charlie reached out to me and it was kind of shocking. I mean, because he's like 80 % dick and 20 % nice, but you know, whatever. I like him. so now they're besties and shy is gonna come meet them as well and then um he's talking about how surreal it is to break up with ariana and see her presence gone from the apartment and then shy comes over and um shy makes everybody feel better guys and she is saying that she feels bad for ariana because it's her birthday and she has to go to someone else's birthday and see her ex it's pretty fucking shitty birthday to me.

56:56Ben Mandelker: And now an insight into the world of Ava. So she tells us, my main goal was always modeling, but now the modeling world and the social media world are very intertwined and I don't consider myself an influencer. I'm still working on my social presence and the more followers you have, obviously the more you're going to get paid. And it'd be nice if I had over 100 ,000 on TikTok and she only has 18 ,000 followers on TikTok, which is shocking. And our note taker did check And as of last night, she's up to 20.6. So, you know, she's getting there, slowly but surely.

57:28Ronnie Karam: And she's like, just because I'm Damon Dash's daughter doesn't mean anything. Your reputation is everything. So if my friend is calling me a liar, what are brands supposed to think? I mean, how is Casper Mattress supposed to trust me if Gia doesn't? I know.

57:43Ben Mandelker: She's like, I'm not an influencer, but what about brands? What's going to happen? What's going to happen? Why don't I buy moisturizer from a liar? I know. who will take my away luggage advice so um now we see Charlie in a cab and he's like it's been like an interesting and stressful few months I know that it's like the elephant in the room you know amongst the group and I wish I could address it more directly but I think the truth will come out eventually and if you know me you know that I probably wasn't kidnapping and torturing anybody right I'm like I don't know that for sure to be honest none of us think that you were not

58:17Ronnie Karam: involved okay literally literally everybody thinks you're involved in that um so uh ava comes to brooks's and she's like yeah i was watching boss baby light last night and it reminds me of brooks because it's like a baby but the baby's like a boss of things like wow yeah well he is a little toddler but he does have a lot of executive responsibilities so uh now ava and leah meet and then charlie

58:49Ben Mandelker: arrives at Hudson's and Shai's there and everyone's getting to their pre-parties. It's wild how much is going on on this show. I mean, there's so much cross-cutting and there's so much talking and there's so much set up, but actually very little is happening at the same time. Basically, they've been slowly moving towards their pre-parties all this time. And so now with Brooks and Liam's friends who are Kendall and Jackson, and Liam's like, yeah, we went to middle school and the beginning of high school together. so that's the lore between me and these other two guys that aren't on the show but yeah me and jack

59:23Ronnie Karam: charlie but they don't really know him okay they kind of know but they don't really know him and then um the producer asks ava what she thinks of shy and ava goes i don't and her and george is like laugh what did shy do i that's all i care about in this because shy seems like the sweetest guy ever and i'm like who's hating shy what did he do so then we go back to hudson's and um they're talking about like liquor he's like i don't even know if i have liquor guys and shy says that he's in the group now he came in with dylan but then dylan moved sadness and now he's got this group of friends and he didn't leave them because he's like wow they're just like so fun and interesting and on TV.

1:00:09Ben Mandelker: I thought at some point they're just gonna be like, this is just a big prank show, right? Like this isn't like a real show, but it's a real show and I'm here and I guess people like me, so I'm gonna stay. So here I am. So now we go back to Brooks and Brooks' place and Ava's like, I don't believe it's a real breakup. I'm sorry. I've just never seen any exes do like a joint story post to announce their breakup. Like, uh. And Brooke says

1:00:37Ronnie Karam: I would be extremely hurt if I heard that She's like well I'm not trying to like hurt anybody's feelings God people are so sensitive So then Back at Hudson's Hudson's like we're gonna have some ground rules about my girlfriend Right and Charlie's like oh yeah Listen I have no intention of sacrificing This friendship for that I mean God unless you become poor You're safe with me There will come a time I want to fuck you Charlie

1:01:04Ben Mandelker: gross he's like but I kind of get the sense from Charlie he's like there's going to come a time where I'm going to ask for money and if you don't give me that money then all bets are off and I will go after your girlfriend so just letting you know that right now so then Georgia and a friend are walking along and Georgia's like I don't know how long I'm going to stay I was like literally fighting for my life on the toilet last night I mean tariffs are not good for the body

1:01:30Ronnie Karam: yeah I think I had like bad salami and like bodega sandwiches are like the staple of new york and like i didn't go to my normal place but like literally i thank god every day for bodegas because like the world could end or like i don't know the city could be on fire and i could still find my chicken cutlet sandwiches

1:01:52Ben Mandelker: so um uh georgia arrives this party spot they're they're all there and this is uh she's the she's the first one to arrive there with her friend, and the only one that are there are Amira's parents. So she's like, oh, hi, this is great. Where is everyone? Is it just me and Amira's parents? Everyone get here.

1:02:11Ronnie Karam: The parents are like, oh my god, good to see you, kids. And everybody's just on their phone texting, like, oh my god, please. There's only old people here.

1:02:20Ben Mandelker: They're pouring, like, lemonade and handing out soda. You guys want to dance? It's okay. You can dance with people.

1:02:26Ronnie Karam: so then um georgia's like yeah things are awkward with amira and i and georgia says you know she has her opinion her opinions but we haven't discussed it directly but just to keep hearing that she's got this anger i mean there's like an elephant in the room and it's never been addressed so now we see kevin amira's boyfriend and um we see footage of them in a car from last year and Amira saying, she's like touching Kevin's leg. George is doing it.

1:02:59Ben Mandelker: No, not Kevin's leg. So Georgia tells us what I think was like really going on was that she had been like telling everyone that I was like fucking flirting with Kevin on this trip and then the unaired clip is Kevin saying like it was like three times and Charlie was like stop playing footsie with him and she just like stopped after that.

1:03:21Ronnie Karam: Oh, so Kevin Kevin's saying that she's flirting with him. So, George is like, that does not like Habba. So, in the clip, Amira says, if she comes to my men again, I'm going to gut her like a fish. So, George is like, yeah, she's really mad at that, but she's making about this ozempic comment. So, whatever. So, then we see George and Amira, like, vaguely say hello. They're like, hi, hi. It's looking to see you. Wow. It's looking to see you.

1:03:50Ben Mandelker: Great to see you. Great to see you. I've been shitting my ass out all night because of bad baloney, but great to see you.

1:03:56Ronnie Karam: Guys, this is a birthday party for Amira, but she's an influencer. I don't know if you've seen her get ready 30 times this episode, but yeah. This is not just a party. This is work because she's influencing.

1:04:09Ben Mandelker: It's hard. Watch out. You know what? The altruistic TikToks never end, even on your birthday. I mean, talk about altruism, putting your birthday to the side to do a TikTok for the people.

1:04:20Ronnie Karam: wow that is kind yeah it's big so then um georgia talks about how she's had uh diarrhea to everybody that comes up to her it's like hey georgia how are you she's like shitting my guts out how are you

1:04:34Ben Mandelker: great did i tell you how i don't wash my hands um so then aria people are arriving and saying hi and everything is typical like like people are arriving at a party scene and it was like i haven't seen gia since gia called me a liar on a podcast kind of awkward because i don't want to start drama at somebody's party about how teresa followed me and then didn't follow me huh i might not have the best birthday party track record i don't want to be that girl i'm telling you i really do value birthdays so then georgina comes up to talk to

1:05:09Ronnie Karam: gia and ariana she's like oh my god you guys so good to see you so sorry about your breakup tbh thought it was fake for this show. Is it fake? No, my God, it's not fake. She's like, yeah. Because then you were making like moving TikToks. And I was like, who makes moving TikToks? That's like literally crazy. She's like, no, but like I was legit making sad moving TikToks. She's like, I'm so sorry I thought that. You guys, I totally believe it's real now. I talked to her. It's like totally normal for her to make moving TikToks.

1:05:41Ben Mandelker: Yeah. So Ariana's like. That's so funny.

1:05:47Ronnie Karam: like okay guys i cleared it up i asked her if it was crazy but you know what she had a very moving

1:05:52Ben Mandelker: vlog so yeah i received it i received it it was really it was really good and so ariana's like obviously the two peas in the pod like george and eva eva thinks that like the same thing too but like eva's not really my friend so like think what you want to think georgia what the fuck

1:06:12Ronnie Karam: How did you think that? George is like, oh my god, Ava, we were so wrong It's totally a real breakup It was wrong, it was a real breakup So Ava's like, I just hope I can avoid trauma tonight

1:06:25Ben Mandelker: I hope the other elephant in the room Which is Gia calling me an elephant because of her mom Doesn't crowd out all this space Oh my god, America can't stop talking about it

1:06:36Ronnie Karam: Now Wacky Shy puts on a horse costume And the guy's like, you're going like a horse. That's crazy. I'm back at the party. And George is like, wow, I really think now that Hudson's single, Charlie's probably doing what he did with my ex, having Hudson pay for everything. Yep. Yep, that's correct. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Yep.

1:06:57Ben Mandelker: So then Shai. Go ahead. Yeah. No, we just see Shai, Hudson, and Charlie. They're like in a cab. And they're like talking about like Shai saying like, oh, yeah, by the way, Ariana says she's bringing her sister in there. Yeah. Yeah. Shia. Shia's like, yeah, you love talking to Ariana, bro. She's like, oh, yeah, really? Talking to my ex like that? Shia's like, whoa, I called her for her birthday. And she said, like, oh, I'm bringing my friends. Shia's like, oh, yeah. Do you hear this shit? Do you hear this shit? Like, you really? Like, wow, Shia. Wow. Can you believe it? Can you believe it? Talking to Ariana?

1:07:27Ben Mandelker: What? Stupid.

1:07:30Ronnie Karam: So someone at the party is taking a picture of Amira. And they're like, oh, my God, your tits defy gravity. She's like, they really do, honey. I paid for them. uh so then amira decides to go have a conversation with georgia because that ozempic comment never really got addressed and i even though the person who does not want ozempic talked about i'm going to talk about it 30 times today okay i'm on ozempic and we're gonna fight about it right now

1:07:58Ben Mandelker: even though it was literally squashed at a table in a scene last summer we'll just pretend like it was never addressed in the first place so yeah let's have another scene about it so um she's like she's gonna go pull georgia for a chat and georgia's like yeah well the thing is that like i really like literally do have to like leave in like five minutes so what is this in regards to mira's like it's fine let's just have a conversation she's like yeah but like i just want to remind everyone i had really bad baloney last night so like i'm gonna blow any second are

1:08:29Ronnie Karam: you sure you want to be here for that let's cutlet the chase because i'm about to shit myself Okay. What do you want? She's like, well, you know, Mike, you like letting my medical history out there. That really wasn't cool. And we need to talk about that. And she goes, oh, my God. Like, literally, I'm like so sorry about it. Like, that's horrible. And I wasn't genuinely apologetic. And I need to be genuinely apologetic. So genuinely, I apologize. And like, if it didn't come off that way, I'm like so sorry. I think I'm pooping right now. Hold on.

1:09:06Ben Mandelker: It's not poop.

1:09:08Ronnie Karam: It's not poop.

1:09:09Ben Mandelker: We got three minutes and 22 seconds left before this whole thing goes down. So what else? Oh, yeah, here, I'll bring something up. I do want to bring up another thing that I heard through the Gay Grapevine. You felt I was, like, flirting with Kevin on the trip. Because, like, the Gay Grapevine is my network of queer people, both domestically and internationally, who are my eyes and ears and tell me things. And I did not hear about this news in this country, everyone. this is international gossip I heard about it from someone who does not live in this country it's a lifelong commitment to establish a gay grapevine the gay grapevine operates like above the CIA in terms of functionality and when you're in, you're in it forever and I do not reveal my sources within the gay grapevine I will just say this this was international gossip from the country of New Jersey that is why George is my all time favorite so Amira's like

1:10:01Ronnie Karam: well I mean like the way you were like speaking to him and then you're like touchy feely and she goes oh my god because when I heard that my jaw was literally on the a crow flew into my mouth like it was on the floor it was it was terrible she's like what the literal fuck but never in a million years did it literally cross my mind to literally touch your literal boyfriend Kevin like literally what like what did I like literally touch him because literally literally

1:10:32Ben Mandelker: neutrally. Like literally why would I even touch Kevin when I had a hottie like Omar on my side? So Amira's like well I did not know if she knew about this. I didn't know she knew this. I didn't think it was that big of a deal which is why I never brought it up. But if I did have a problem with her for that specific reason she would definitely know. So George is like genuinely it did not ever ever never ever ever ever ever cross my mind. it's not like tariffs okay it is not on my mind i do not think of kevin all the time okay

1:11:04Ronnie Karam: i mean kevin never i don't even know who would be that guy am i right she's like okay well i appreciate that thank you and she tells us okay well inviting her was charity enough and that was my good karma for the year so at this point i'm washing my hands of her. Someone's gotta wash her hands in this place. Seriously.

1:11:29Ben Mandelker: So then Gia is looking around and she goes, is that the infamous Liam? So she meets Liam. And Liam's like, oh, yeah, she's cute. No. Liam is not interested. So Amira's like, oh my god, is that Shy? Shy? Are you actually wearing this horse costume? That's like creepy. And then Ariana's like, oh my god, so funny. So then Brooks is like, Seeing Charlie and Hudson walk in together I like Was having acid reflux Yeah everyone's like oh my god

1:12:01Ronnie Karam: It's Charlie, it's Charlie here What are we gonna know? It's Charlie And it's here with Hudson and the horse So Hudson's like yeah Ariana and I We've been together since we were babies So of course we're gonna hug I just wasn't emotionally growing Or working on myself or wanting to do anything Because I'm a billionaire So, you know, I've really got to look into that. Maybe, like, do it a little more. And I don't know. What was I saying? She's like, hi. And he's going to be instructive. Yeah, he's still acting like her boyfriend. He's like, oh, you look so pretty. Oh, God. Trying to be respectful and not grab your butt.

1:12:41Ben Mandelker: She's like, well, you're not allowed to. He said, don't. She's like, it's complicated because, like, I love this person. And I care about this person so deeply. And I pray for him, like, every night. and pray for him to surround himself with the right people. And I don't understand why the fuck he's friends with Charlie. Like, yeah, the guy who wanted to fuck my girlfriend last year. So then Hudson is like, yeah, it's kind of like taking everything in me not to kiss you right now. She's like, gross.

1:13:09Ronnie Karam: So everyone else is making small talk. Gia sees Charlie and checks in with him. And she's like, I feel like there's an elephant in the room a little bit. He's like, yeah, yeah, I can't talk about that, but it's all good, okay? And so he says, anything beyond, you know, I can't talk about that, guys. It's too much. I don't want to be like, my freedom isn't worth an edit. You know what I mean? It's a pretty big deal. Crypto torture.

1:13:37Ben Mandelker: Yeah. She was like, don't talk to me about that. Both my parents went to jail. By the way, your phantom power is crackling right now at the moment. So Charlie's like, yeah, for sure. It's gone.

1:13:47Ronnie Karam: It's gone.

1:13:48Ben Mandelker: Beautiful. Beautiful. So Ava says, New York is always going to have a scandal. Unfortunately, the scandal's hitting really close to home. And of course, the scandal I'm talking about, is Teresa following me, then unfollowing me? George is like, I mean, I do not want this person around me. I do not fuck with this person, and I do not really care what happens to them.

1:14:09Ronnie Karam: So George is like, I gotta go. Bye. I gotta go. Seriously. I'm glad we talked to Mira. And she's like, same. So she leaves, and then Cooper is asking Liam, if he's dating anybody and, uh, guys, we're all lucky. Liam is single and he's looking for women. Okay. So, um, Ava goes, yeah, I asked him if he wanted to kiki earlier and he didn't know what that meant. So he's definitely straight.

1:14:37Ben Mandelker: Liam's like, I thought she said, are you kinky? And I was like, like, whoa, whoa. I just met you. Whoa. So, Ari, I was like, uh, Brooks, let's get a shot on you. He's like, if you feed it to me, I'll do it. So they're all doing shots, you know, and like having fun and partying. And Liam's asking Ariana, like, oh, so you were raised in Atlanta? She's like, yeah, in Alpharetta. I moved there last year. He's like, was it worth it? She's like, yeah, I love it up here. But Hudson comes up and he's like, you need anything else? Because he's still doting on her. Like he's still her boy. Giving her a drink and he just bought her a drink and all that stuff.

1:15:10Ronnie Karam: And Ava's like, not to make this about me, but this breakup is like very awkward. I mean, first they're doing the breakup story and then he's bringing a drink and then they're still in the same group chat and coming to parties like yeah if I broke up with someone he's not catching an invite

1:15:30Ben Mandelker: yeah so then Ariana's like saying how she hasn't been able to drink for like since May because she got a DUI and she apparently she's saying how she when she got pulled over she didn't do the breathalyzer and because she heard that you're not supposed to do that because they don't have it on record? Always say no. Great. Wow. Another good nugget of wisdom coming out of that household.

1:15:59Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And Liam agrees. He's like, oh no, he doesn't. He goes, well, my dad always says never give them a reason to ask you to blow, right? She's like, yeah, well, whatever. It wasn't true. That was all a lie. So the producer says, what do you think about the fact that she's on probation? He's like, I think it's kind of hot.

1:16:19Ben Mandelker: Hudson's like see see how close he's sitting to Ariana look Liam's so close to Ariana oh tortured well go say something okay go press his ass he's like yeah okay I mean you think that Ariana's into that shit Liam ugh stupid

1:16:35Ronnie Karam: yeah so Hudson's getting jealous he's like that guy can do whatever he wants he's a grown man what do I care I'm not afraid I'm not afraid what if he can fry a chicken probably not whatever do whatever you want dude so yeah how about how about you try to have hannah einbinder's hair also okay see if you could pull it off so amira addresses the party gives a speech and then people are dancing on the bar and stuff and she's like okay nothing good happens at an after party look at uh charlie's alleged case am i right but i did not have much fun at my birthday because I was working. Okay? Now it's the after party.

1:17:16Ronnie Karam: Now I'm going to have some real fun with my friends.

1:17:19Ben Mandelker: No altruistic TikToks. The camera is off. So there are like, Ariana's talking about dogs with Liam and Liam's asking her questions about it and everything. And he's saying how he volunteers at shelters every now and then. I'm telling you, there's some sort of bullshit going on with this guy. He has too much time to be doing all these things. Like it doesn't, something is like, I feel like he's like a dilettante who does like a little bit of this, a little bit of that, but he's acting like these are all concurrent threads in his life. And I'm telling you, the bottom is going to fall out. The other shoe is going to drop.

1:17:49Ben Mandelker: He's just really rich.

1:17:51Ronnie Karam: But it's funny how young people talk because he goes, so you have dogs, Ariana? She's like, oh yeah, I have two. And he goes, what kind are they? And she goes, they're rescue. That's not a breed. She's like, yeah, they're rescue dogs. I'm a good person, so they're rescued. She says it multiple times. And he's like, oh, well, I volunteer at a rescue place oh my god you even taught my good person thing that is pretty hot it's pretty hot we're both really good people so then they go to the next spot and they're drinking and Ava and Gia have their talk and um Ava's like well it's so stupid Ava's like well I saw your podcast where you said I was a liar she's like uh oh so then we get a monologue from Ava that's saying she has so much negativity being spread about herself and her family.

1:18:44Ronnie Karam: I mean, when you search my name, the first thing that pops up is Ava dash evicted. And I don't know when the part, if I skipped over it earlier, but she's like, I wasn't even evicted, okay? I was sharing an apartment with my dad and I was paying my half of the run every month, but my dad, not so much. Like, oh wow, so your dad fucked you over. What is it with dads on this network lately? yeah that is pretty wild jeez we just watched the McBees like is there a dad who's not gonna fuck over their child on this network that would be great

1:19:18Ben Mandelker: so now she wants to clear her name from all this and she's like you were like hey Gia you said that Ava's a goddamn liar and she goes no you said well you said that my mom unfollowed you she goes yeah but she didn't and Ava's like well you could just apologize I think it's fake to say something in the press and then not say it in person By the way, have they just checked to see if Teresa's following Ava? Because that would help solve some stuff here. She's like, if I called you a liar on a podcast, I really don't think you would like it. So Gia's like, I don't know. She's like, so she's trying to explain to Ariana in the confessional what the whole situation is.

1:20:01Ben Mandelker: And Ariana's like, I thought we were mad at her. And Gia's like, yeah, we were mad at her because she was rude to us. and Ariana's like so why is she mad at you she's like I don't know I don't understand the fight

1:20:12Ronnie Karam: I'm in she's like but when you're coming after my mother I'm gonna call you a liar she goes but I didn't come after your mom you're dragging it I didn't say anything about you or your mom she goes well you're not only that you also talk shit and Ariana's still like wait a minute but we're supposed to be mad at her why is she mad at us like I still don't understand she's so pretty

1:20:32Ben Mandelker: though so basically gia's like don't talk about my mother so ava's like you can get your point across without yelling which is funny because gia has like literally never risen above a monotone in her life and she has like yeah you you were just yelling but okay you want to make me look crazy go ahead she's like i don't i don't have to make you do anything you do that all on your own

1:20:58Ronnie Karam: meanwhile no one is yelling or acting crazy she goes oh my god and amira's like whoa that's really pretty aggressive wasn't what did i miss i think she's such a silly show so happy to have

1:21:12Ben Mandelker: it back on the tv yeah i'm excited for o'reilly to make her return by the way that's what this episode was kind of missing we needed someone to just kind of like check charlie a little bit some more yeah but yeah it's such a good show it really is a good show and it moves very quickly and there's so much stuff going on um i felt a little bit like this premiere was them playing catch up and like be like hey this is what's going this is what's happening in our lives and i'm excited for as the season goes on we'll a little like to see where this all goes but yeah fun times with the

1:21:41Ronnie Karam: kids yeah everybody thanks so much for being here we'll talk to you next time bye bye watch what

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